[ALOCHONA] Islam and politics in Bangladesh

Dear Alochoks

 

I would just like to make the following comments –

 

It may be argued that governments should not be the custodians of morality. This is the case in the West. On the other hand, governments have many moral obligations and are required to pass, and enforce, laws that should not be immoral. Morality may ultimately be a personal matter, or a matter for organised religion. But morality is certainly, at whatever level, within the remit of governance.

 

It is the failure of morality in centre politics that drives people away towards extreme politics.

 

In Bangladesh there has been a total breakdown in morality in centre politics. There is no mention of morals, no expectation of morals and no claim of moral responsibility. This has pushed many people into the arms of radical Islam.

 

Until centre politics can prove that it is worthy of trust there is no chance at all of even negotiating with Islamic radicals.

 

All our brightest minds combined with all our liberal geniuses combined with all the logical minds in the world will not defeat radical Islam if they cannot prove that morality is at the heart of centre politics. In Bangladesh Khaleda and Hasina have destroyed morality in centre politics and thus radical Islam has grown stronger and stronger during their democratic governments.

 

It is hilarious to see that so many people across the board condemn Jamaati Islam as traitors and criminals – and Jamaati Islam just gets stronger day by day. In 1971 one would have been lynched for even suggesting that one day the men of Jamaati Islam could become ministers. And yet Mujib, Zia, Ershad, Khaleda and Hasina all compromised with Jamaat. Why?

 

It is because the political parties could never compete with Jamaat when it came to perceived morality. This is because morality was never an issue for political parties.  Each of our leaders encouraged corruption – and therefore encouraged moral decay.

 

Even today some our most talented people, most educated people are attracted to Jamaati Islam.

 

If the cartoon is immoral then it sure isn’t going to be Awami League or BNP that are going to make a stand against it! Jamaat came out in force against the cartoons and there is nothing and nobody in Bangladesh that can do a thing about it. The courts may keep the cartoon in the paper – but they won’t stop Jamaat protesting emphatically!

 

As for the cartoon itself – I wasn’t offended. But I would be offended if the Danish cartoons were printed in Bangladesh! How does a cartoon depicting Prophet Mohammed as a dog sound? Liberal? Modern?

 

Looks like we’re half way to getting rid of Hasina and Khaleda. If and when that happens there can be true reform of centre politics in Bangladesh. If true reform happens then centre politics –where you and I belong – can take on the radicals.

 

Until then you just got to admire the confidence of Jamaat! The mad Mullahs sure don’t look worried!

 

Regards

 

Ezajur Rahman

Kuwait

 

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[ALOCHONA] Can Bangladesh Sustain Democracy

In the current political situation of Bangladesh, Professor Mahfuz Chowdhury's
article on the subject should be of great interest to every concerned citizen.
It has clearly shed some light on the country's quandary with democracy. Below
is the web link for the article:

  http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=37757

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[ALOCHONA] Re: Gen. Moeen influenced clearing Ershad of gold smuggling charges?

Dear Alochoks

Mr Chowdhury did not make any statement based on fact. You can't
counter a fiction with a fact. Perhaps he would care to share
his "evidence"?

And anyway, I have it from "sources close to Mr Chowdhury" that he is
virulently opposed to the CTG.

Now what?

Regards,

Emanur Rahman, UK

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "shafiq013" <shafiq013@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Alochok Emanur
>
> May I request you not to brand anybody opponent or for that matter
> supporter of CTG. Inadvertently or advertently, you are not doing
any
> service to Bangladesh by doing that. If you thing that Mr.
Chowdhury's
> statement is not based on facts, come with factual evidences
against
> it. Instead you are talking of something which has nothing to do
with
> the subject matter.
>
> Shafiq Ahmad
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Emanur Rahman" <emanur_rahman@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Alochoks
> >
> > The interesting thing about opponents of the CTG is that their
> > criticisms are ALWAYS based on conjecture, rumour and conspiracy
> > theories. They NEVER talk facts or issues or actions.
> >
> > But then opponents of the CTG MUST be political activists and as
we
> > all know they NEVER talk facts or issues or actions.
> >
> > Perhaps Alochok Chowdhury would like to give us his opinion on
some
> > of the following:
> >
> > - increasing the taxation net and quadrupling tax receipts
> > - tackling corruption at the highest level of politics and big
> > business
> > - signing up to the UN Convention on Corruption
> > - implementing an electronic voters roll
> >
> > All of the above of course steadfastly avoided by EVERY "elected"
> > government you know, Alochok Shamim's preferred masters (or
should I
> > say madams).
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Emanur Rahman, UK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Shamim Chowdhury veirsmill@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sub: Gen. Moeen influenced clearing Ershad of gold smuggling
> > charges?
> > >
> > > There was absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind that military
> > backed regime of Moeenuddin-Masududdin do not want to jail there
one
> > time boss autocrat Gen. Ershad. Both of them are also the
beneficiary
> > of Ershad regime.
> > >
> > > Today, court gave verdict clearing Ershad of gold smuggling
> > charges. First additional sessions judge Md Abul Bashar handed
down
> > the verdict, which had been deferred several times earlier.
> > >
> > > Court sources says there are rumor all around the court that
> > autocrat Gen. Ershad was found guilty but government was forcing
> > judge Abul Bashar to declare him not guilty which he declined and
> > rejected until today. The verdict readout was canceled six times
> > earlier and government mounted pressure on judge to give-up and do
> > what he has been asked to do. Today judge delivered the verdict as
> > Moeenuddin's DGFI directed.
> > >
> > > It's just another sad day for Bangladesh judiciary which went
> > through marching military bandits boot so many times until now
since
> > 1975.
> > >
> > > Time will come when Moeen-Masud and all other clowns of DGFI
have
> > to stand on trial for forging the national interest.
> > >
> > > Shamim Chowdhury
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ershad cleared of gold smuggling charges
> > > Tue, Sep 18th, 2007 3:13 pm BdST
> > >
> > > Dhaka, Sept 18 (bdnews24.com) – A Dhaka court Tuesday cleared
> > former president HM Ershad of charges in the Gold Smuggling Case.
> > > First additional sessions judge Md Abul Bashar handed down the
> > verdict, which had been deferred several times earlier.
> > >
> > > "I have got justice," Ershad, chief of Jatiya Party, told
> > bdnews24.com in his instant reaction.
> > > Ershad's lawyer Sheikh Sirajul Islam said: "The verdict has
> > proved that the judiciary works independently."
> > >
> > > "The then BNP government filed the case with a political motive.
> > The eight witnesses on behalf of the state could not say anything
> > about Ershad's involvement in the case," he added.
> > >
> > > Immigration officials seized gold worth Tk 2.4 crore from two
> > foreigners' luggage at Zia International Airport on July 16 1990.
> > > Customs and VAT inspector Md Zakaria filed a case with the
> > Airport Police Station.
> > > Ershad was not named in the case, nor was he included in the
> > first chargesheet submitted to court.
> > >
> > > The police pressed charges against Ershad in a supplementary
> > chargesheet, submitted to court on Aug 31 1991.
> > > The judge Tuesday said the accused person was acquitted of the
> > charges as nothing was proved against him beyond doubt under the
> > Special Powers Act.
> > >
> > > Ershad appeared in court shortly after 10 in the morning,
> > accompanied by party colleagues Anisul Islam Mahmud, ABM Ruhul
Amin
> > Howlader, Syed Abu Hossain Babla and Zia Uddin Bablu.
> > > bdnews24.com/pb/ff/su/ad/1301 hours
> > >
> >
>

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[ALOCHONA] Get rid of Pakistani Ghost!

As part of the ongoing reform process, the Election Commission proposed some
guidelines. These are currently under scrutiny of the major political
parties and the policy makers. Recently, a group is bringing the issues of
war criminals and secularism. To me to raise the issues of war criminals to
the EC is nothing but a political game. This issue should have been settled
long ago. However, still there is option to take it to the court for justice
and we should get rid of this issue as soon as possible.

In this regard, the EC should consider the question of naming of the
political parties. Bangla has a rich vocabulary and a political party should
not have a problem to find a couple of suitable words for its name. I
propose to the EC to make it mandatory for a political party to have Bangla
name for registration.

The next thing is the dress code. Some political leaders use Panjabi (Hey!
Why should a Bangalee needs Panjabi to do politics?). The EC should ban
Panjabi and Peshwari coat (popularly known as Mujib coat) in Political
activities. These are 100% anti-secular, anti Bengalee nationalism
elements.

Bangalees are possibly the only nation in the world who fought for its
language for a long time. The glorious language movement that earned the
recognition of Bangla language has a very special place in the history of
Bangladesh. After more than long 50 years when the colonial rulers are gone,
I find it illogical to use Urdu word in the name of a political party in a
country where almost nobody speaks Urdu now-a-days.

I am drawing your attention to the following words:
Awami (Urdu) and League (English) of Awami League
Workers (English) and Party (English) of Workers Party
Jamaat-E-Islami (Urdu)
National (English), Awami (Urdu) and Party (English) of NAP
Forum (English) of Gonoforum, etc.

Undoubtedly assimilation of foreign words is essential to enrich a language
but the words just mentioned above have good replacement in Bangla.

Interestingly, the exact meaning of some words such as Awami is not known
many of the Bengalees. If Awami League truly believes in Bengali
nationalism, they should find a new Bangla name. It hurts me to see our
Awami league leaders use the dress of the Pakistan Muslim League very
religiously. It is shameful! We should get rid of Pakistani ghost in every
possible way.

Regards,

Dr. M. Mahbubur Razzaque
Associate professor
Department of Mechanical Engineering
Bangladesh University of Engineering and Technology
Dhaka-1000, Bangladesh

Phone: (880 2) 966 5650 (PABX) ext- 7989
FAX: 880 2 861 3026, 880 2 861 3046

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[ALOCHONA] Boring Talking

Boring Talking

Talk show program of different TV. Channel gains tremendous
popularity now days in Bangladesh. The government and non-government
personals, the representative of the different profession are
frequently participating in these types of program. They are
performing their role as the only honest and the true patriot people
of the country, though most them have taken the full portion of
privileges from the so called corrupted political parties in last
couple of years. They are politically well recognized. Channels
bring them before us to full fill their interest (Even interests of
some political force). The viewers are also very smart to identify
this interesting game. As they invite most of the time, some
renowned people who are known as the big two party supporters. Their
host or presenters of the programs are not presenting the program
fairly. They are also talking their stands against of some
ideologies, or even some parties. Every person has an individual
choice about the selection of ideology in his/ her personal life.
But what will be happened, if they are trying to impose their
selection upon us. Do they think that, the discussion within some
biased people like them can touch the people really?

The host or the personals behind these program, are very familiar to
us with their past identity. Or some are known by the identity of
their earlier generation or ancestors. These types of recognised
person are trying to prove themselves free and fair. But actually
they brought the guests according to their choice. So ultimately the
program become a place of sharing views of almost some similar
minded people.

All the arrangements of most of the politics based program are made
against the so-called communalism. I also hate the two
words `communalism & Fundamentalism'. But I want to know the real
definition and application of these two words.

Are these two words stands for Jammat-e Islami Only? Their spirit of
taking stand against the terrorism or fundamentalism may be
supported. But why are they going on the same track always? If their
allegations are true, if their interpretation about the concept of
Jammat is right, then why this party is remained (so-called)
untouched (!!) by the joint force? The joint force and the
investigative forces have the all the track records of the personals
who were arrested earlier due to their linkage with the terrorism.
If the records go against jammat, then I don't believe, they (Joint
force) are sitting aside silently, for any mysterious reason.

Different operation against the corrupted forces was made in the
past. Media at that time expressed their anguishes about the role of
the think tanks about Jammat-e-Islami too. If all persons of the
investigative and law and order forces become the fond of Jammat,
then they would better come into the power, I think. They deserve
it.

I am really frustrated about the performance of our media. Media
should not be biased. They simply present the incident as it is.
They should not misrepresent it with their own views. I think people
should be more benefited in this way-, as they will be able to know
the real thing through it.

Dear reader, don't take me negatively. I want the punishment of the
real culprits. So I think, the allegations what will come, those
should come with authentic and specific evidence. Jammat or Awami
league is not the factors. The factors are about the information.
This is the age of science, not of eloquence. So be straight. Bring
evidence, prove it and then go first for the punishment.

Mabrur

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Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Prothom -alo Cartoon and few words

Dear Alochok:

I have no doubt in my mind that religions are peaceful in its code of conduct, unfortunately, religion have caused and causing decay to human civilizations. Islam is the most scientific religion in the world; because those mullahs in bangladesh lack knowledge, why they made a big fuzz out of this innocently humorous cartoon. I have seen the cartoon so I did not find anything offensive toward our prophet (swm), and if our prophet was alive, I think he would not have made it a political issue as these mullahs and jamaatis did to serve their political purpose keeping this boy hostage, to gain the public popularity. you know why people in bangladesh buy this kind of allegations, because: the literacy rate in bangladesh are so low, we are inherited muslims, we are muslims by family traditions, we lack the proper islamic knowledge; for why these mullahs get away with turning water into poison, because it is easy to convince the innocent and peaceful people of bangladesh.

It is really sad that the apology before the people of Bangladesh, keeping God as witness; was not enough for those Mullahs, the editor of the daily had to go in person and vow before their knee to ask for forgiveness. Does those Mullahs think they are God? Islam does not permit such arrogance, and it only reflects on our Mullah's radicalism and fundamentalism. It felt like the Mullahs see them as the virtual God of Bangladesh.

To the people of Bangladesh:

From now on, if you commit any sin, please do not stand before Allah in the middle of the night to ask for forgiveness, I insist to go to Dhaka City, at day light, (take few witness with you) to those Mullahs (note: not to any other mullahs of any other city of Bangladesh) to ask for forgiveness or your apology WILL NOT be accepted. It is now clear that if you commit a sin, you go to those Mullahs and holding their hands, your sin will be forgiven! At least that is the lesson I have learned from this recent phenomena. It is a shame for all of us today that in a country like Bangladesh, these Mullahs are keeping a 20 year old boy hostage to serve their own political purpose, and this boy did not even have a lawyer to represent him at the court. It is a shame for all of us and we are responsible for it, because our voice are not loud enough. I am ashamed of our leaders and the editors of all the newspapers and so-called secular minds of Bangladesh..

Atiqul Alam
New York

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