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Monday, November 12, 2007

[vinnomot] Please Help The Yezidis!

From YezidiTruth.org:


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[ http://www.yeziditruth.org/please_help_the_yezidis ]

The Yezidis are urgently in need of your help.

Since April, 2007, when 23 of them were murdered by Iraqi Moslems,
the Yezidis have been in crisis. On August 14th, Moslem suicide
bombers claimed over 500 innocent Yezidi lives in their Northern Iraq
homeland. Although not reported by the media, innocent Yezidis are
being murdered by Moslem extremists almost daily. Food caravans are
continually intercepted by Moslems and not able to reach the Yezidi
villages; the Yezidis are not able to visit their families in Moslem
controlled areas; and the Yezidis have not been able to purify their
water system since it was poisoned years ago by Saddam Hussein.

They need your help!

[. . .]

Join together with others around the world to create a sustainable
relief organization for the Yezidis.

Please contact:

Mark Amaru Pinkham
PMB 330
51 Bell Rock Plaza, Suite A
Sedona, Arizona 86351

928-284-1429
gnostictemplars@aol.com
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I have been trying to find some way of helping the Yezidi people ever
since August 15, 2007, the day after the Nineveh province of Iraq was
bombed. On that day, records say that anywhere from 400 to 600
innocent Yezidi civilians were killed. This is the worst single
tragedy of the Iraq War so far.

This event first came to my attention on August 15 when an
anchorwoman on CNN mentioned that a "Kurdish religious minority had
just been brutally attacked in Iraq." I knew right away what Kurdish
religious minority she was talking about, but I was damned if I could
find any more information about it on TV. So I logged onto the
Internet and contacted everybody I could find who might know a way to
help the Yezidi. I even contacted several relief organizations in the
interest of donating food, money and/or clothes, but each of them had
retreated from the Nineveh area because things were just getting so
crazy there.

So imagine my excitement when I logged onto the Internet today, three
months later, and discovered this new website, YezidiTruth.org.
Apparently I must not have been the only American emailing people
like crazy about this matter in August. It appears that there are
some relief organizations that are now prepared to help the Yezidi
survivors in Iraq, but they can't do it alone. Those poor people are
never going to get any help if more Americans don't start thinking
about them.

Since we're the ones responsible for setting up Iraq's new
government, we ought to be responsible for making sure that it does
what it's supposed to do. And one of the things that any good
democracy should have is the Freedom of Religion. Yezidis are denied
this freedom to the extreme. If they and other Iraqi religious
minorities are ever to enjoy the same freedoms that we have here in
the States, it will be up to us to make it happen.

I just finished writing a letter to Congress and to my state Senator
about this matter, in the hopes that other people will do the same. I
do not feel it would be wrong of me to encourage others to do this.
Even if you are poor and cannot afford to donate anything to a relief
organization, please contact your local politicians at the very
least. These people are being slaughtered, and we have to make it
STOP!

- Amity

The Peacock's Nest
http://www.geocities.com/amityvilleghost


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[vinnomot] Humanism and Law: (Intro); Constitution and the Religion

 
Religion and the Constitution
 
Introductory module
While no one has been burned at the stake recently for their spiritual and religious  beliefs as in the 16th Century Religious Wars between Western Christians sects of Roman Catholics and Protestants, or under the fascist Christian Inquisition (when millions of European women and men were burnt at stakes as witches and heretics - a virtual genocide of European race by the Christian Church); the Christian religious civil wars seem, thankfully a thing of the past, at least in Europe and Europeanized countries which are mostly sophisticated, democratic nations today, thanks to heroic struggle and sacrifice of the European humanists, secularists and liberals. Although it is not evident whether the Christian powers had made their peace on the secret wars against one another or against the non-Christian countries of the world.
It is plain that controversies surrounding religion and its place in modern society still loom large in the minds of many people, especially in Islamic countries of Asia and Africa. Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia , Malaysia, Indonesia etc. are still in the grip of Islamic terrorism, Mullah fascism , fundamentalism and extremism. This is a problem that confronts American Christian society as well because of extreme Christian fundamentalist and extremist attitude of President G W Bush and his Christian cohorts. (Individually, the American citizens are intelligent, educated, humane, socially responsible, ethical and helping; however, in their collective political capacity, Americans have proved to be a nations of extremely emotional and exploitable Christian imbeciles, cretins and mass-murderers: see their Christian genocides mass-murders in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos etc; and see their stupidity of choosing an imbecile and liar Bush as president who lied and cheated the whole American nation about Iraqi WMDs, got elected because of vote-counting frauds, the second time with shameless support of the Christian priests and Bishops, despite his lies and mass-murdered and maimed millions of Iraqis and thousands of Americans in Iraq, and continues to do so with the help of the British fascist collaboration on the name of the democracy and the good name of the American nation ! What a SHAME !)
Although the First Amendment of the US Constitution guarantees « Separation of State and Church », the imbecile Christian Methodist, former Cocaine addict President Bush, continues to destroy the soul of American Constitution under his very Christian « Rigged-Election-Counting-Democracy » persidency. Therefore the question remains about the role of religion in the public sphere, or is it not an activity that this nation's constitution, laws and customs have properly relegated to the private sphere?
Any response to this query seems to raise more questions than it answers. Just what does separation of church and state mean? Where do we draw the line between permitting religious practices and maintaining social order? What are the precise definitions and limits of the Religious freedom or liberty (wait for a future discussion on this topic).
How exactly does the U.S. Constitution or other constitutions of the world define and protect religious freedom and freedom from religion anyway? These concerns have engendered much confusion and controversy throughout the history of our USA and other countries of the world . Informed persons, including justices of the United States Supreme Court, have heatedly discussed as to how one should answer these thorny questions.
This study will allow the participants to enter this fascinating area of Constitutional law to become better acquainted with many of the quandaries facing the courts and the nation. It is designed not only to give the participant an introduction into the area of religious-legal issues, but it will also help one develop the tools needed to approach the Constitution in the same way as judges do when they craft their ruling in religious disputes. To that end, participant will become intimately acquainted with the historical meaning of the Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses and other provisions of the Constitution that from time to time touch upon the concerns of religious freedom. While our main focus will be with the Supreme Court and its historical role in adjudicating this troubled area of the law, there will also be forays into other related issues such as what the Founding Fathers intended for religious freedom when they drafted the First Amendment. For people living in Pakistan, India, Bangladesh etc. participants should take this discussion as a comparative study.
Finally, this study will provide a justification for supporting the principle of religion/state separation and a narrower interpretation of the Free Exercise Clause in USA and similar articles in various other constitutions. While quizzes (a set of questions designed for entertainment) and other exercises will be based upon non-controversial, "neutral" knowledge that informed commentators on all sides of the debate can accept, the author will clearly stake out a position that supports religion/state separation and a more equitable view of religious freedom generally.
Before we go further it would be helpful to give a brief description of the Constitutional principles and provisions we will be examining. While the Free Speech Clause, Equal Protection Clause of the US Constitution, and the ban against religious oaths for holding political office are sometimes utilized as the basis for a religious legal challenge, the two most important clauses that pertain to religion and the law can be found in the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights.
The Free Exercise Clause protects individuals from government persecution based on hostility to their religious beliefs, including the right not to believe. This clause provides the basic protection for individuals to think, speak, and even act upon their religious tenets or lack thereof. The Establishment Clause goes a step further, prohibiting government favoritism towards any religious sect or group, at the very least, and government endorsement of religion generally. This clause is supposed to drive a wedge between government and religion and is usually thought of as the basis for the doctrine of religion/state separation, though there is little agreement upon what exactly this principle means.
The combined effect of these two clauses is intended to promote government neutrality towards religion. However, the two clauses are often in tension and have the potential to conflict with each other when they are interpreted too broadly. When does religious freedom violate religion/state separation? When does religion /state separation intrude upon religious freedom? For example, does exempting a religious pacifist from military duty further religious freedom? Or should this dispensation be regarded as special treatment to the religious and thus be viewed as a violation of religion /state separation? Are we violating religion /state separation when we allow a teacher to lead a prayer in a public classroom? Or would we be denying religious freedom for the teacher if we prohibited her from doing so? Where does the religious freedom of her students figure into all this?
In the Basic parts of this study, we will closely examine the origins of the Free Exercise Clause and explore how the legal definition of religious freedom has changed throughout the history of this nation.
The first part of the Comprehensive section of this study will, in similar fashion, explore the origin, history, and current status of the Establishment Clause. Both parts  will explore the effect that incorporation of the Bill of Rights had on the First Amendment.
In the second discussion we will explicitly discuss as to how both of these clauses should be interpreted. Specifically, it will be argued that the doctrine of separation of religion/state is the best approach to employ in determining the operation of these clauses for both practical and normative reasons. This part will examine five different arguments against the separation doctrine and then respond by explaining the various shortcomings and flaws of the accommodationist or nonpreferentialist viewpoint.
In the third and final part of the Comprehensive section we will show the implications of the separationist viewpoint upon such contentious issues as the evolution/creationist debate, prayer in public schools, ceremonial desmic, funding of religious schools, general law-making, and religious exemptions.
While this study will support the separationist viewpoint, it will also make an unorthodox defense of that doctrine that most separationists might initially reject. Thomas Jefferson's call for a "wall" of separation between and religion/state (i.e. between religion and the government), in his celebrated letter to the Danbury Baptists, is often considered by many separationists to be the last word on the subject. Even within the separationist camp, many supported the doctrine not so much to protect government from religion, but to protect religion from government. When Roger Williams established Rhode Island to be a haven against religious intolerance, he was doing so not to make the new colony a secular state, but to keep religion from being oppressed by the religiously-controlled governments of the time, particularly Puritan Massachusetts. We will also examine the existence of state sponsored churches and laws against blasphemy and religious oaths for elective office, which continued in existence long after the US First Amendment and the rest of the Bill of Rights had been ratified.
It is expected upon completion of the Comprehensive section  that the participant will be able to critically assess the many controversies involving religious freedom and the Constitution (even in their own countries) -- including such current hot-button issues as vouchers for religious schools and the inclusion of "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance -- and be able to come to an informed, objective opinion on how to resolve these intractable problems.
In addition to these issues, this study will examine the Constitutionality of publicly funded Christmas displays, court-compelled religious exemptions, faith healers' refusal of medical treatment, school prayer, moments of silence, legislative chaplains, ceremonial desmic, and other related issues such as reproductive freedom and religious bigotry.
It is hoped that the participant will come away from this study with a better understanding of why disputes about various issues of religious freedom are treated in different ways. It will also help the participant become familiar with the many arguments used to support and justify opposing positions so that the informed observer can make up his or her own mind as to whether the courts made the correct decision on a specific religious controversy.  
There is likely to be a separate article on Constitution and Religion in Pakistan; Bangladeshi Indian and other countries' participants should prepare an article on the Constitution-state-religion relationship of their countries; guidelines my be available, if needed.
Send queries to :  <humanists_international@yahoo.com>
 
Article III, Section 1, Constitution of the United States: The judicial Power of the United States shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.
The following is a simple primer on how the United States Supreme Court operates within the structure of the federal and state court system.
Each state has it own court system with various levels of trial and appeals court. Trial courts generally focus on the evidence of a case. Courts of appeal focus on whether a lower court ruling followed the correct interpretation of the law, but generally do not review the facts of the case to see if the jury or judge made the correct assessment of the evidence. All fifty states have their own "supreme court," though they often call their highest court by a different name. In New York State, for example, the lowest state trial courts are confusingly called supreme courts and the highest court is called the Court of Appeals.
The federal system has it own court system beginning with 94 district courts scattered across the nation, which are trial courts that act as the intake mechanism for new cases. The next layer includes twelve regional Courts of Appeals (and a special federal circuit) that hear appeals from the district courts and are made up of three-person panels. In addition, there are various specialized courts such as military, bankruptcy, administrative, and tax courts that all belong to the federal system.
On top of this pyramid sits the U.S. Supreme Court. The High Court will generally only hear cases that have already been ruled on from its own federal appeals courts or the states' highest courts, though sometimes it has allowed a case to "leap-frog" intermediate courts to get to the highest tribunal.
Unlike many appeals courts on the state and federal level, the Supreme Court has the discretion to choose which cases to hear. Of the 9000 or so writs of certiorari they receive annually, the Court usually decides to accept and hear no more than 90 or so petitions for full argument.
The Court currently has nine members, though the Constitution does not place any limits on how many positions may be created. At one point Congress authorized as few as five and as many as eleven justices. President Franklin Roosevelt attempted to pack the Court during the Great Depression so that it would be more amenable to his interventionist economic policies, but Congress refused to act on his request, which would have increased the size of the Court to sixteen members!
Decisions are made by a majority of the Court, which would be five members or more of the current membership. The members of the majority are referred to as "the Court" when they issue a ruling. Those who disagree with the judgment of the Court will often write an opinion called a dissent. Other justices may join that dissent and/or write their own dissenting opinions. A concurring opinion occurs when a justice agrees with the judgment of the Court, but disagrees with the reasoning put forward by the majority.
A plurality occurs when most, but not a majority of justices, agree on a judgment and the basis for that judgment. Often a concurring decision will help the plurality obtain a majority, but such cases are not considered controlling on lower courts because the majority does not agree on the reasoning behind their decision.
Some decisions are especially splintered, making it very difficult for lower courts to discern the logic of the Supreme Court's decisions and to make their own rulings. For example, Casey v. Planned Parenthood concerned (among other things) whether or not a minor was required to seek parental permission before obtaining an abortion. The justices split into three camps: four justices wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade and uphold the regulation, two wanted to uphold Roe and strike down the regulation, and three wanted to uphold both Roe and the regulation. Final tally: a woman's general right to an abortion was protected by a 5-4 margin, but the state could regulate a Minor's access to abortion by a 7-2 margin.
Supreme Court justices, like all federal judges, are nominated by the President and have to be confirmed by a majority of the U.S. Senate. Their appointment is for life, or until they retire or resign. Like other federal officials, justices and federal lower court judges can also be removed through the impeachment process.
While the Chief Justice has one vote just like the other eight associate justices, he does have more informal power than his colleagues because he has the privilege of assigning an opinion, when he is in the majority, to a justice within that majority. He also is considered the head of the entire federal court system and sits as the formal, but relatively powerless, presiding officer during impeachment trials of the president, as we saw with President Clinton.
Federal Constitution of Pakistan and Union Constitution in Indian and the national Constitution of Bangladesh, for example, treat the Religion-State relationship in a different way. According to the constitution, Islam is the religion of state in Pakistan and Bangladesh , while Indian state is secular. Similarly all countries have different relationships in their constitutions.
 


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[vinnomot] Religious discrimination in Egypt-women are the worst sufferers...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20071112bcegyptreligion_attn_national_foreign_editors_ytop

This is a classic case when a state wants to impose Islam on its non-Muslim population.

 Basic question is why a religious identity needed for education, job & marriage?  Religion should be a personal matter that should not interfere with education, job and marriage registration.

When a state is allowed to interfere in personal religion, both the religion and the state are seeking its extinction.

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Hello friends,
May I request you to give wings to this article by a true Freedom Fighter talking fearlessly about things to do. He asks the countrymen in unequivocal terms to state like President Bush, You are either with us or aganist us. Let us ask all the Bangalis of Bangladesh are you for the recovery of glories of Ekattor or against it?
Belal Beg
Here is Janakantha page : http://www.dailyjanakantha.com/chn.pdf


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Re: [vinnomot] Land grabber Geeteara Safiya: Justice yet to be served

Geeti Ara Shafia Chowdhury is very powerful woman and the government of Dr. Fakhruddin cannot prosecute her. Future elected government can prosecute her.Even Bangladeshi media refused to publicize  this story for fear of prosecutuion. I can call those editors Merudondohin Nirjib Editor. __._,_.___

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RE: [vinnomot] Re: [khabor.com] Hunting for neo-Rajakar in Bangladesh?

 
Att: Readers,
Unfotunately Mr. Shafique Bhuiya could not answer my question.
M.Anwar
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Good question.. Answer please.....


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Subject: Re: [vinnomot] Re: [khabor.com] Hunting for neo-Rajakar in Bangladesh?

Engineer Shafique Bhuiya,

Do you think everybody is Razakar who donot support Awami/Bakshali idiology ?
Please answer my question ?
Thanks.

Mohiuddin Anwar

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[vinnomot] Retracting my mail on "Close the Case of Re: Expatriate and Treason: Birds of a feather flock together"

All,
 
I like to retract my emails from all groups, blogs, media regarding this chain email "Re: Expatriate and Treason: Birds of a feather flock together".  This email chain was not initiated by me, I was just strangled in the email by asking few questions. I like to clarify that Mr. Siddiky is not affiliated or member of Change Bangladesh, is not related or associated with me.
 
I did not make any accusation to anybody and  I didn't not make the list of most wanted.  I do not have any business making any body unhappy, moreover I have not initiated the original chain email where there were allegation against few people or group of people.  Actually my intention was to stop the chain email by asking their statement regarding the accusation. 
 
I know Drishtipat long time and I have a project that I work with them, so I have no business to accuse them for something that I never seen.  Actually I was trying to help them, so this chain email is stopped.
 
But anyway I apologies if I make any body unhappy unintentionally by my emails where I was just asking questions.  I have no personal or financial benefit by writing the previous emails.  I was merely wanted to close this talking point for all and for good.
 
I might have made mistake to enter into the chain email in the first place and I apologies for for that.  I hope that this email retraction will end all the confusion and misunderstanding between me and all the parties.
 
I also believe that we may disagree in our opinions but we should work together for better future.
 
Note:  You can forward this email if I have missed any persons, groups, blogs or media. Thanks for your support for Change Bangladesh Organization, USA
 
Regards,
M. M. Chowdhury (Mithu)
 
 

 
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Re: [vinnomot] Another lie of Jamat - RAZAKARs - most of the (95%) cov ert & overt Jamat - Razakar - Shibir - ML - Paki leaders - supporters (BNP is cocktail of these groups), are fraught with lies, fabrications , deceptions, violence & blood, are either numb or hypo

shafique bhuiyam
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Re: [vinnomot] Re: [Sonar Bangladesh] Motiur Rahman Rentu passes away

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[ALOCHONA] Banning religion-based politics isn't our job: CEC

Banning religion-based politics isn't our job: CEC

Mon, Nov 12th, 2007 6:13 pm BdST
Manikganj, Nov 12 (bdnews24.com) – Banning
religion-based politics is not a job of the Election
Commission, CEC ATM Shamsul Huda said Monday.

"It is the government that is responsible for holding
trial of war criminals and banning politics based on
religion. If this government is unwilling, the next
government has to do it," the CEC told reporters
Monday after a meeting on the electoral roll at the
Government Devendra College in Manikganj.

On which faction of the BNP the EC will hold dialogue
with, Huda said: "We will accept the court order."

The CEC ruled out having dialogue with both the
factions after reporters asked him if both the
factions could be invited to the electoral reforms
dialogue.

"It would be terrible. We would have to invite many
small factions of many parties such as Jatiya Party
and NAP then. We invited one BNP faction in line with
own our policy. We had no other option."

At the meeting, the CEC said that the next polls would
be free of black money and muscle.

He said that the electoral roll prepared in 2006 was
flawed.

"It is not acceptable. It is very difficult to elect
honest, efficient people on a flawed voter list."

Deputy commissioner for Manikganj district Ataur
Rahman presided over the meeting.

bdnews24.com/corr/my/rm/1808 hours

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[vinnomot] My protest over slaughtery of democracy in West Bengal

If democratic power is not returned to the hand of people and their anguish against CPM is not heard, more Nandigrams are waiting for WB--Every political party, CPM, Trinamul or Congress are involved in this power play while common mass is suffering. Thousands of bullets fired over a civilian population is not a joke. No political party has any desire to solve this problem--they are no better than Modi --everybody wants power at the expense of people's blood--

Time to speak up. My two cents of input in Youtube Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-O4UG3tvNM


Biplab

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[vinnomot] Re: [Bafi] Kean University sponsors a study program on the 1971 Bangladesh genocide

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> Media Release
> Contact:
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> October 21, 2007
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>
> Kean University Master of Arts in Holocaust and
> Genocide Studies is privileged to sponsor
> "Bangladesh 1971: Intolerance, Violence and
> Genocide", A study of all but forgotten Massacre of
> Bengali People. The program will be held on December
> 9, 2007 at 4:00pm in University center little
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> The program will have distinguished scholars from
> various universities, eyewitness and survivors, and
> family member of the victims of the genocide. The
> program will also have books, articles and videos on
> display in the pre-function lobby during the happy
> hour from 3:30pm – 4:00pm.
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> This unprecedented program is open to all.
>
> For more information please visit:
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Re: [ALOCHONA] Few Questions

I very much appreciate you that you take this initiative to close this issue for all and for good.  I hope that you become sucessful in finding the truth.  But the main problem is both sides of the people are so blind or can not think outside of the box,  and real truth might not be good for others and they will diminish the real truth by name calling, or other characters.  So there is a real danger.
 
I hope you find the real truth of your questions.  But my prediction is the that we will hear another 200 years who is Rajakar and who is not, who is the Father of Bangladesh and who is not.  I do not want to discourage you what you are trying to find and keep doing what you are doing but outcome might not be so easy because we manipulate results per our convenient and can not take the truth if it hurts me and have an negative efffect on my believe.
 
--M. M. Chowdhury (Mithu)

Badrul Islam <badrul_islam2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
You are very correct in yr statements made below. However this excercise is not to blame party or person but to understand that system/management are done by people and to err is human.System/managemments can be changed to fit/solve the problem- but this keeps on coming back mtime and again and each party brings it up at convenient Election time and forget.
These answers when received(and I bet we wont get them all) can be complied to see first from a broad angle and then find,(no blame game) a way to peace and prosperity- a little clear understanding is required to move on.
Also I am hundred percent in agreement with you that Elections be held first then those affected and or elected Government if aware of certain facts of individuals can lode a case and the Goverment will ensure that a free fair trial is ensured i.e due process and unbiased verdict obtained in each case.
If any of the Razakars/Al-Badrs/colloborators etc happen to get elected then on conviction his post will be declared null and void and a bye elction will find a replacement.
We need to move on-- but we also must get facts and then sort out once and for good.
Therefore if you have or you know if any person haave some answers to the questions asked please do contribute to help the country be in peace and prosperity.
Badrul Islam

"M. M. Chowdhury (Mithu)" <cgmpservices@yahoo.com> wrote:
The real truth is that evil forces are working behind the scene to keep our heads into the mud, so we as a nation can not stand up and live in a prosperous life. I have asked in so many emails that Bangladeshi should move away from those unproductive discussion and let Bangladesh Govt take care this national issue for all and for good.

Bangladeshi should focus what we have ahead in opportunities, difficulties, changing the lives of 150 million people. Please tell me if we convict all the war criminals and execute them today, will it give extra food to 150 Million people? I am not asking to give them a free ride but lets Bangladesh Govt takes care the issue and do not make this issue for your next election issue/campaign.

Nobody can help me if I do not help myself.

I hope I was able to clarify my point of view.

--M. M. Chowdhury (Mithu)


badrul_islam2001 <badrul_islam2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All,

As an ordinary Citizen I would ask you the followings: (Let me clear
that am not Politician and wish to learn to get a clear picture of
all parties). You and or any person who would volunteer to educate
us would be appreciated: - WE MUST LEARN THE TRUTH.
1.LateSheikh Munjibur Rahman when released from Pakistan came via
London and India. Is it true that in both places he was briefed
about Bangladesh and some sort of agreement was made in respect of
POWs; Collaborators/ Rajakars etc--
2.0n arrival Bangladesh he undertook two important task-(a) plans
for getting recognition from other countries- as foreign aid was
vital for the country and (b)surrendering of arms that was still
under possession of FFs-- but why didnt he "NOT"make attempt to have
them listed and then place them according to merit n qualification
to the Armed forces/Police/ BDR/Ansar etc-- they needed jobs too???-
If he did then ARMS surrender would have been done faster. Instead
Rakhi Bahini was formed but no FFs in it.Why???
Till date there is no concrete plans to do this rehabilitation
programme for FFs and not steps taken to sort out the FFs and 16th
Div FFs-- 16th are those on 16th after independence seized left over
arms of Pak Bahini and became FFs.Why?
3.I dont remember the exact year; but either late 1972 or early 1973-
Late Mujib went to Lahore and sat by the side of late Zulfiqar
Bhutto on the same stage(was that an International Peace conference
or something-- I saw that on BTV -- and later both stood up holding
hands high up on the air and chanting slogan- cannot remember now).
How could late Mujib agree to do that when ZABhutto was identified
as the great enemy responsible for the war and mass killings of
Bangalis???? ????
4.In 1980 when Hasina returned from exile to take over the helms of
AL she as reported in TV and newspaper went to Moghbazar residence
of Golam Azam- there was no concrete details ever given but a
statement given that they discussed for development of peace and
democracy-- any ideas or any websites from which actual infos could
be obtained???? ? What actually did happen.??? Why did she meet
Golam Azam the number 1 Collaborator? ?
5.1986 Hasina participated in Elections-- JP won and formed the
Government while Hasina AL and JI and perhaphs communist party were
the opposition am I right???????
4.Why AL in power 1996-2001 didnt do- (a) rehabilitation programme
for FFs; (b)initiate cases against Collaborators and (c)initiate
case against the Murderers of late Sheikh Mujib???????

The answers to the above would greatly help to understand why till
date their is so much political conflicts-- political conflicts is
in every country-- look around India,Nepal, SriLanka, Thailand and
now Burma-- and again each of these trying to solve their problems--
hope we too are sincere in our attempts. What do you all think?????
Please stop fighting between yourselves in these forums and try
gather knowledge and be patient.
Hope to hear soon from you or any other knowledgeable member.
Badrul Islam



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Re: [ALOCHONA] Few Questions

Mr. Badrul Islam:
 
You pose some very intriguing questions. However, I am afraid, the answers are not simply black-and-white. There are several shades of color in between. Here is my attempt to answer and clarify some of your questions:
 
1.LateSheikh Munjibur Rahman when released from Pakistan came via London and India. Is it true that in both places he was briefed
about Bangladesh and some sort of agreement was made in respect of POWs; Collaborators/ Rajakars etc-- On arrival Bangladesh he undertook two important task-(a) plans for getting recognition from other countries- as foreign aid was vital for the country and (b)surrendering of arms that was still under possession of FFs-- but why didnt he "NOT"make attempt to have them listed and then place them according to merit n qualification to the Armed forces/Police/ BDR/Ansar etc-- they needed jobs too???
 
Ans: As far as history and first-hand account is concerned, there were no "agreements" between Bangabandhu and the Pakistanis regarding POWs and Rajakars. Do keep in mind that they POWs were handed over to the Indian Army when they came to Bangladesh in the middle of December. Bangladesh Army, as well as the Freedom Fighters didn't hold any POWs. In terms of Rajakars, here is the background story: I am sure you know by now that the Saudis were the last to recognize Bangladesh. Well, during the early 70s and before the first oil crisis, Saudis put pressure on Nixon to talk to India (Indira Gandhi) and deal with the "insurgency problem" in "East Pakistan". Should I also note that Nixon supported the invasion and supported the Pakistani government, and the Pakistani govt. got enormous support from the Saudis as well? Upon independence, U.S. and several European countries conveyed this message to the Indian and newly-found Bangladeshi government: Don't persecute POWs and Rajakars, as this might trigger another regional war. Besides, a bucket full of foreign aid was waiting on that condition.
 
Too often people make the mistake of thinking that Bangabandhu either pardoned the Rajakars from the kindness of his heart or he made a deal. Neither is true. He actually didn't have a choice.
 
Secondly, in a war-torn country, that has just been ravaged by the Pakistani aggressors, the last thing that a government can do is to immediately (re)build armed forces. Our freedom fighters were largely comprised of general public and not by a professional army. There was tremendous international pressure to disband the freedom fighters, repossess their weapons, and return life to normalcy. Army, in post 1971 era was not actively recruiting, nor was it capable of sustaining such a large force. If you look up the composition and size of the Army between 1971 - 75, and see how much was allocated from the budget to expand the army, you will find the answers. Besides, Bangabandhu was somewhat reluctant to expand the authority of the Army (hence the beginning of his disagreements with the Army officials such as..oh..i don't know...Major Zia et. al.) and the revival of a political paramilitary led by Bakshal supporters.
 
2. Either late 1972 or early 1973- Late Mujib went to Lahore and sat by the side of late Zulfiqar Bhutto on the same stage(was that an International Peace conference or something-- I saw that on BTV -- and later both stood up holding hands high up on the air and chanting slogan- cannot remember now). How could late Mujib agree to do that when ZABhutto was identified as the great enemy responsible for the war and mass killings of Bangalis????
 
Ans: If I am not mistaken, I think you are referring to the World Peace Conference that happened in late 1972. Bangabandhu was awarded the Frederic Julio Curie Award for peace and reconciliation among many world leaders, as a recognition for his leadership and ability to reconcile a divided nation. I am not sure if Bhutto was present there, nor there is any record of Bhutto and Bangabandhu holding hands and chanting slogans. But I do know that Bhutto became a great admirer of Bangabandhu during his imprisonment and post-1971. Again, the conference was about Peace and Reconciliation between old enemies, per se. What could he have done? Refuse to "reconcile" with Bhutto and walk off from the world stage?
 
3.In 1980 when Hasina returned from exile to take over the helms of AL she as reported in TV and newspaper went to Moghbazar residence of Golam Azam- there was no concrete details ever given but a statement given that they discussed for development of peace and democracy-- any ideas or any websites from which actual infos could be obtained???? ? What actually did happen.??? Why did she meet Golam Azam the number 1 Collaborator? ?
 
I am not sure of this incident. But as far as I am concerned, if such meetings actually occured, no statement or info was ever published, nor would we ever know what Hasina talked about with Golam Azam. Whatever their discussions may be, I am almost certain that it was a political compromise to go against JP and BNP alliance at that time.
 
4. 1986 Hasina participated in Elections-- JP won and formed the Government while Hasina AL and JI and perhaphs communist party were the opposition am I right?
 
Jamaat was not in the alliance with AL and Ekush Jot (the Alliance of 21). Bangladesh Communist Party was part of the Alliance.
 
5.Why AL in power 1996-2001 didnt do- (a) rehabilitation programme for FFs; (b)initiate cases against Collaborators and (c)initiate
case against the Murderers of late Sheikh Mujib?
 
Between 1996-01, there was an initiative to look after the freedom fighters, and help them gain the support and respect that they truly deserve. Look up articles and newspaper opinions during that time, and you will find enough evidence to see that the government did initiate several programs. Unfortunately, some of the initiatives ended due to rampant corruption, shortage of funding, and the revival of a BNP government.
 
Cases were filed against the Rajakars 1996-2001. See the activities of the Ghatak Dalal Nirmul Committee during that time. I have too many to list here, but not enough time. Just so you know, after 2001 when the BNP govt. came to power, many of those cases were dismissed from the court on many grounds (my favorite: Since Golam Azam holds a Bangladeshi passport and was pardoned by Bangabandhu, he is no longer a Rajakar!! I mean...come on!!) Between 2001 and 2006, the BNP govt. and its cadres systematically went after members of the Nirmul Committee and filed cases against them to curb their activities.
 
I hope this helps to answer some of your questions.
 
Thanks,
Cyrus
 
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Cyrus Zulkarnaïan Kazi
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Re: [ALOCHONA] Fw: A question

Prisoner's Dilemma!! Nice, Mr. Baki!

On Nov 11, 2007 10:31 PM, Fazle Baki <fazlebaki@yahoo.ca> wrote:

Consider the following problem:

Mr. X is the higher authority (elected)

Mr. Y is an elected member of a committee chaired by Mr. X

Mr. X does something wrong

Mr. Y has several choices:

·        support, protest, resign from the committee, keep silence

Resignation brings uncertainty in career

Protest brings anger from Mr. X

Support brings anger from the voters

So, Mr. Y keeps silence and so does every other member

 

Mr. X continues to do wrong

Mr. Y continues to keep silence

At times colleagues talk to each other with caution

At times Mr. Y talks to the colleagues with caution

Everyone shows caution not to make Mr. X angry

 

Still, Mr. X smells differences

Mr. X accuses some people of "grouping"

Mr. X eliminates them

Mr. Y keeps silence

As time goes on, Mr. X accuses more people of grouping

Mr. X eliminates them

Mr. Y keeps silence

 

At one point, Mr. Y fails to hide differences, and gets accused of grouping

Mr. Y teams up with the victims of Mr. X

The team may or may not get a chance to discuss it in a committee meeting

The team contacts the voters and explains the wrong things done by Mr. X

Voters respond in various ways:

1.     You should have solved the problem in the committee meeting.

2.     Why did you keep silence?

3.     You took advantage from Mr. X and now betraying him?

4.  Everyone wants to be the king, look at Mr. Y.

5.  They are just the same.

6.  This complaining Mr. Y will be just like another Mr. X.

7.     Are you guys getting divided?

8.     This is politics, so much division.

Eventually, Mr. Y gets eliminated with or without some other colleagues.

 

Question: Assuming everyone is cautious and keeps silence to avoid anger from Mr. X, in what democratic way Mr. Y could avoid elimination?


 


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Re: [vinnomot] Re: [Sonar Bangladesh] Motiur Rahman Rentu passes away

 

 

"Comments & remarks of that e-mail is a deliberate

'Broad day lies' or a 'twisted' or 'mix of false & true' statements-comments,

Please do not believe the false information, comments of these

Overt & covert supporters of the

Jamat – RAZAKAR - Paki- Muslim League -BNP & their cronies"

 

 

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Dr Shafique Ahmed Siddique filed case for seizure of Rentu's property

 

The Daily Star, 10.08.07

http://www.thedailystar.net/2007/08/10/d70810100592.htm

 

"After a long hearing for five years, the judge passed the verdict that

The book 'AMAR FASHI CHAI' (by Motiur Rahman Rentu)

Is false, baseless and politically motivated and ordered

Rentu to pay Tk 1, 00, 31,998 in damages to Dr Shafiq Shafique "

 

 

Prof Dr Shafique Ahmed Siddique of Dhaka University yesterday (9.08.07) filed an execution case seeking seizure of all movable and immovable property of Motiur Rahman Rentu, author of 'AMAR FASHI CHAI'.

 

Dr Shafique Ahmed Siddique, husband of Sheikh Rehana and also a writer, filed the case as Rentu failed to pay compensatory damages awarded to him by a court.

 

Earlier in 2002, Dr Shafique filed a defamation case against Rentu, terming the remarks about him (Dr Shafique) in Rentu's book 'AMAR FASHI CHAI' false, baseless and politically motivated.

 

After a long hearing for five years, the judge passed the verdict on April 18 this year and ordered Rentu to pay Tk 1, 00, 31, 998 in damages to Dr Shafiq Shafique.

 

As Rentu failed to pay the compensatory money within the stipulated 60 days, Dr Shafique filed the execution case with the same court.

 

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It has proved again that most (about 95%)  of the overt & covert supporters of the KHUNI Jamat, RAZAKAR, Al Badar, MEER JAFOR Mostaq - ZIA - Paki - Muslim League gong (BNP is cocktail of these groups) are liar and illiterate culprits (and few (can be numbered in hand) are "GIAN PAPEE") and they have neither political knowledge nor knowledge of political history.

 

They know only telling lies, twisting the facts and creating doubt-confusion on settled matters by mixing some true and more false items by applying Goebbels theory!

 

 


On 11/12/07, mohiuddin@netzero.net < mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:

 
    What is the reaction of BAL supporters after the death of froodom fighter and personal assitant to Sheikha Hasina Mr. Rentu. Mr. Rentu wrote the famous title Amar Fashi Chai banned by Awami League government. Such books should be available for the readers to know the facts about Hortal Konnya Arrogant Awami Leaguer Sheikha Hasina's activities. We should not suppress the facts tom protect one leaders image.
    I request the authors family to translate this book in English and other language as weel as publishing another new edition in Bangla.




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