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Tuesday, January 8, 2008

[mukto-mona] Part-6, Antorghat, A Political Novel {Bangla}

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[vinnomot] The Hilarious NRB Conf. At Dhaka Sheraton - Attention S. Turnman...

Sir, all my best wishes for taking promise to take care of Mollaa insugency in Bangladesh but let me inform you they openly say they are not like Taliban but this is their secret Agenda. They follow the tactics of 'Ikhwaan' of Egypt, who you find in Western Attire but their workers remain busy assassinating people, who oppose them in Egyptian Population. They even condemn such killings and killings of girls killed for not wearing 'Hijaab' in the press though their own members do that kind of stuff.
 
I support Musharraf because there's no other viable choice and you would have loved him yourself ...
*  if Bangladesh Per Capital Income was $ 540 in 1999 and now it was $ 843.
*  If Exports were $ 7 billion and now they were $ 14 billion.
*  If he had built over 117 Bridges, By Passes and Tunnels.
*  If he had made Stock Market Index rise 400 % since he took over.
*  If even your guy, who comes to your door selling Vegetables had a Mobile Phone.
 
MQM has been the only Non JaagirDaar Political Party of Asia for last two decades. Following are facts about MQM:
 
1. It made Mohajirs stop voting for JmaaTay Islami because its elected members in Assembly and Parliament had done nothing to abolish discriminatory laws of Pakistan against them.
2. It refused to accpet Millionaires as its members because all they had wanted was nomination of MQM to run for Parliament and Assembly.
3. It always issued Tickets to run for Parliament and Assembly to its ordinary educated workers, who proved to have leadership qualities without prejudice of race, religion, money background or ethnic backgroud. For Example: Farooq Sattar, a Bangla wearing a Beard became Mayor of Karachi on MQM Ticket, then a Minister and than Chief Minister of Sindh.
4. It has been named as a Treasonous Anti Islamic Terrorist Party because when Punjabi Pakistan Army's Rangers and Police had started looting houses of Mohajirs in Urban Sindh and raping their daughters the young Mohajirs could not be stopped from start attacking Police and Army Rangers just like MokTi Bhaayini of East Pakistanis. Would you have rather quietly taken rape of your sisters or daughters lying-down, sir?
5. Its the only party of Asian Countries that has largest number of Volunteer force for Social Work.
6. Its Volunteers can be seen directing traffic to reduce Traffic Jams in all big cities of Pakistan.
7. Its Volunteers help the Needy and Poor all over Pakistan without any Ethnic Prejudice with the money donated by mostly Urdu Speaking People in and outside Pakistan of whom some are Multi Millionaires or closer to be Billionaires in Dollars.
8. Its the only party of Asia that started Free Hospitals and Medical Clinics all over Pakistan and even in USA for people of its country.
9. Its the only party of Pakistan that had more Social Workers than even Govt. Social Workers in the Earthquake-struck part of Pakistan.
10. Its the party that had delivered Shiploads of aid for Earthquake Victims to Pakistan by Sea.
11. Since 2 Assemblymen had died in Earthquake victims of Earthquake had elected 2 local ordinary but educated local people with leadership qualities to replace them on MQM Ticket.
12. Its larger party of Pakistan than all Religious Parties combined with more than 460 candidates running on its ticket from all over Pakistan though it had started as a very small ethnic party.
 
Now tell me, which Political Party of Bangladesh has a record to match even 1/4th qualities of MQM?
Which of Bangla Political Parties have half a million Volunteer Workers?
Which one of them has started Social Welfare Wing?
Which one of them has started free Charitable Hospitals?
Which one of them has free Medical Clinics in the country and abroad for Bangla people?
Which one of them had more Social Workers than Govt. Social Workers for victims of recent Cyclone?
Which one of them has supplied shipload of Humanitarian Aid for Cyclone Victims?
 
MQM doesn't believe in propaganda or expelling lies against it in Media, Press or Internet. It just keeps doing good deeds and keeps winning more and more seats in Assemblies and Parliament of Pakistan because it know, truth prevails, not lies.   

Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:
 
Mr S. Turkman
 
Your  comments are out of context.  It is very  clear that you are lecturing 
like a Tabligi Jamat  without reading the actual article by Mr. S. Ahmed. What's
your problem? Don't you understand plain English? Take your time, read it
again, and again and again .... Mr. S. Ahmed's views have nothing to do with
the things you are taliking about..... 
 
Don't mix up apples and oranges .... We Bangladeshis know how to combat
the Islamists and the Fakes like you who does not know the basics of
debate in a  civilized forum . . We have taught the Islamists a good lesson
once in 1971 and we will teach them another lesson once again ...and this
time we will kill the snake for good so that it can not rise again to spread
its venoms on our people.
 
You have already exposed yourself as an apologist for Pak-President Musarraff
and it's MQM supporter. Please don't try entertain us with your half-backed
egg plants.
 
We, Bangladeshis know what to do. Obviously, you don't know much about the
NRB conference that was held in Dhaka last December ..... We have difference in
openions .... but we always agree to disagree ....
 
Mr. S. Ahmed is a great rational thinker. Don't try to demean him
through your innuendoes.......and slanders ....
 
Solong  & Bye !
 
Syed Aslam
 
On 1/8/08, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Shun path of West?
That's right, too many of us are not wearing Beards. Too many of us are wearing Pants and getting English Style Haircuts. Look at necks of most of us ...! Neck is fully exposed, no hair. Who says this is not path of the West?
Almost everybody is using Tooth Brush instead of 'Miswaak' also. Not many cover their heads. Too many of us know English instead of Arabic. We believe in Western style Democracy, Freedom of Speech, Civil Rights, Human Rights instead of believing in Caliphate System. We are not collecting Protection Money or 'JiZiyah' Tax of Qoraan from our Non Moslims either. All this is also Path of the West.
 
We have to go back to 7th Century or at least Horse, Bull Cart and Kerosene Lamp Days so our Mollaas can become our absolute Rulers and Islam's 2nd age of Glory can start. ... Allaho Akbar ...!
 
 
Syed Aslam < Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:
'Shun path of West, be proud Bangladeshis'- The Hilarious Conferenence of The NRBs At Dhaka Sheraton Hotel

Thursday January 03 2008 20:18:11 PM BDT

 
By S. Ahmad, Bangladesh

How much useful the recent all well (?) meant NRBs pompous meeting at posh Sheraton hotel in Dhaka could be for Bangladesh that I do not know but I can easily see the hollowness of utterances by many distinguished "Lecturers" of this gathering. 'Shun path of West, be proud Bangladeshis' cried someone. But how and for what we need to do that nobody advised and for that matter none ever mentioned what there is in Bangladesh that one could be proud of. Bangladesh is a poor country ruled by thieves and humbugs from its very inception and the same scenario is continuing even today. Her past was dark, a subservient and poor converted Muslims people in a primitive society dominated by a degenerated and equally false but proud Hindus since the 19th century. Before that we were just untouchable converted Muslims to the Turkish, Afghan or Iranian rulers whose religion happened to be Islam.

Do we need to feel ashamed to admit that? No, I do not. I keep my head high as long as my forefathers or I have done no harm to anybody or caused distress to any individual or a group in any way. Why we need to be proud or be ashamed of being Bangladeshis? Why can't we be just simple Bangladeshi looking after our own good? And for that matter why should we shun the path of West? Should not we learn honesty, science and technology, art and literature and all that is good in the West or for that matter anywhere on earth? I admit that everything that is West is not good, some of the Western things we may reject out rightly and without any hesitation but there are many things in the West we need to learn and adopt and without which we can not even survive.

Those NRBs attending the gathering are also Western products and without Western education and training, and most importantly Western culture, they are nothing and they have nothing to offer to Bangladesh. Look at their dress, people seating on the dais, what sort of dress they were putting on? Dr. Kamal Hossain, can you live without a suit even in high summer in Bangladesh?

I do not echo Nirad Chowdhury when he said, "all that was good and living within us was made, shaped and quickened by the same British rule" but the fact is, for sure, not just the saying of a fool and the same way we can say like him that all that can uplift us is available in the West and our contact with the West is for our own survival only. West does not need us for anything. I do not say "Shut-up you hypocrites, don't talk nonsense" to those self-appointed distinguished "Lecturers" but I would not be surprised if some one says so. Is this gathering for any good to Bangladesh or just an exhibition of self importance of some individuals? To whom they talk seating in a posh hotel room in a Western environment and condemning the same West they represent? There should be a limit of idiotic pronunciations.

"Expatriate Bangladeshis called for an end to the existing political culture and attitude, and restoration of the traditional values of serving the community". What is new in their call? We hear such call every day and how to end the existing political culture and corruption nobody could tell us as yet. And what are our traditional values in Bangladesh? When and who ever served anybody in Bangladesh except himself or herself? We need not minimize or dishonour a very few in our society who were and are still honest but their numbers are very few and that makes there talks just nonsense chitchat. What Bangladesh needs is an honest government, rule of law and no self-appointed, self-serving foreign or local advisers.

"Shunning the materialistic path of the West, the people of Bangladesh need to nurture and uphold their own values" they said on the second day of the three-day conference of NRBs.

Western path is not only the materialistic path as these people say forgetting that they run away from Bangladesh to get those materialistic things they shamelessly dare to condemn now. How many of you would like to give up your foreign passports and get back to Bangladesh to become imam of a mosque, a corrupt bureaucrat or a thief politician, sirs?

"A good leadership is essentially dynamic and it allows individuals' potentials to find room for utilisation" said Dr. Kamal Hossain whose business is to seat in every dais on every occasion and offer his wise counsel. Advice is free, Dr. Hossain knows it well but he lives as an absentee landowner and would never admit that absentee land owners are the number one enemies of Bangladesh. Should he not give-up all her lands and encourage other to do so as an honest adviser to the nation?

"People yarn for contributing to their country, not passive and second class subjects, people need to be truly empowered citizens" , Dr. Hossain and the eminent jurist (?) continued, "people should have the right to choose their leadership which will listen to them, involve them in decision-making and empower them properly". "Yes, yes Sir, did he ever pass this advice to Mujib when you were his first lieutenant and a trusted adviser? Why you talk all these high sounding things now, Mr. eminent jurist? What was your role in BAKSAL formation? What good you have done to Bangladesh until today?

The most amusing thing was said by Foreign Adviser Iftekhar Ahmed Chowdhury when he said that "non-resident Bangladeshis are often privileged to have the highest level of education and exposure to cultures where education is an end in itself, not a means to a job". What does it mean, Mr. Adviser? You may not understand but the reality is far from the truth especially for the NBRs. Of course, that we can not say about NRBs who have no education from their adopted country and are engaged in business like restaurants or working at petrol stations. "NRBs and their children can volunteer to help train our teachers, especially to teach English", the adviser suggested. But is it a feasible suggestion? And how and why shall NRBs children do that job? Are they qualified English teachers? Is teaching such a simple job, dear Sir? Or, will the NRBs IT experts will come to Bangladesh and work on Bangladesh salary? Is there anybody to do that?

Bangladesh's Foreign Secretary Touhid Hossain said the second generation NRBs should come back and actively get engaged in business, development and politics.

That is a good suggestion but what response he got? How many he found to give up their foreign passports to "get engaged in business, development and politics" in Bangladesh?

The simple fact is the future of Bangladesh's remains in the hands of the Bangladeshi people who live and ready to die in Bangladesh. Hardly any good can come from those who run away from the country. They would be the larks of the summer if Bangladesh ever gets any summer and all those talks are nothing but nonsense chitchats. It is a pity that people put so much weight on these sorts of useless conferences.

I said before, the future of Bangladesh lies in the hands of the Bangladeshi people and not on those who found their paradises in foreign countries. Those NRBs with foreign passports I strongly suggest that they stay where they are and if they can do small things for us please do it quietly. If your patriotism is still bubbling, through away your foreign passports, come home and live with us and do anything good that you can with us and together. No more conference please and no more advice!


S. Ahmad, Chittagong, Bangladesh
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[mukto-mona] Blind Faiths [NY Times, January 6, 2008]--review of the book by hirsi ali

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Respected members,

Assalamu Alaikum. Please see the book review below.. Ayyan Hirsi Ali is not a suitable person for its review because a book so much against Islam and Muslims .How can she fairly review a rabidly anti-islamic book, being herself an Ex-Muslim atheist.


There fore I am just giving some short comments on the book on the basis of the review of Hirsi Ali.For instance, I quote below a part of the review where she presents the views of Harris.Quote he considers the very worst possibility — the destruction of the West by radical Islam. There is a sense of urgency in his writing, a desire to shake awake the leaders of the West, to confront them with their failure to understand that they are engaged in a war with an adversary who fights by the law of the jungleUnquote.


When the islamic world is under attack from all sides covertly and overtly the writer is talking about destruction of the West by islam.There is no such possibility.Moreover where ever islam went it carried with it civilization whether in India or Spain or Egypt.


Another Quote Harris goes on to argue that the Muslim world, since it is governed by the law of the jungle, makes group survival paramount. This explains in part the willingness of Muslims to become martyrs for the larger community, the umma — uniting peoples separated by geographical boundaries, with different cultures, heritages and languages. According to Harris, this sense of solidarity is sustainable only with the weapon of fanaticism, which obligates each member of the umma to convert infidels and to threaten those who attempt to leave with death. That is, the aim of Muslim culture, so different from that of the West, is both to preserve and to convert, and this is what enables it to spread across the globe.Unquote

It is traversy of truth, Islam built up a most advanced legal system ahead of the West and most of the business and commercial law of the west is copy of Muslim Jurisprudence.Islam like some other religions call humanity to Islam but never by force which has been accepted by most Western scholars.

Another quote The West has variously tried to convert, to assimilate and to seduce Muslims into modernity, but, Harris says, none of these approaches have succeeded. Meanwhile, our worship of reason is making us easy prey for a ruthless, unscrupulous and extremely aggressive predator and may be contributing to a slow cultural "suicide."unquote

What is this western modernity, if it is science and technology Muslims have acxepted these.But if modernity means rotten family life, culture, entertainment then Muslims are unable to accept these , however Harris or Hirsi or their mentors may want.

I leave the rest to the readers.Muslims will never change themselves by such pervert writing or review.
Shah Abdul Hannan


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[ALOCHONA] Latest change in the CTG: 4 Advisor Resigned

Poor performance, controversy apparent reasons; new advisers likely to take oath today

Proving the recent speculations right, four advisers to the caretaker government resigned yesterday with only three days to go before the military-backed administration completes a year in office.

Law Adviser Mainul Hosein, Food Adviser Tapan Chowdhury, Health Adviser Major General (retd) ASM Matiur Rahman and Industry Adviser Geeteara Safiya Choudhury stood down on advice of Chief Adviser Fakhruddin Ahmed, said sources.

Mainul and Tapan said they quit as that's what the government had wanted. They met the chief adviser and tendered their resignation in the afternoon.

Chief Adviser's Press Secretary Syed Fahim Munaim told reporters that the four had resigned for personal reasons. He said the Chief Adviser's Office sent the resignation letters to the Bangabhaban yesterday.

The number of advisers leaving apparently for poor performance and controversy now stands at five, almost half the advisory council that took office on January 12 last year.

Earlier on December 26, Ayub Quadri resigned his position as the education and cultural affairs adviser following a huge public outcry over theft of two artefacts.

Replacements for the five are to be sworn in today at the Bangabhaban, the chief adviser's press secretary said.

Meanwhile, the government policymakers were searching for persons to fill the vacancies and continue for the remaining months of the present regime that is supposed to hand over power to an elected government by December this year.

Sources said Mainul who was to attend a function marking the Police Week-2007 yesterday was sent messages asking him to show up at the Chief Adviser's Office. There, he was told that the government wanted him to quit along with three others.

Queried about the news of his resignation at around four in the evening, Major General (retd) Matiur Rahman said he had not resigned and requested the reporters not to ask him 'embarrassing' questions.

But later, coming out of his office at the secretariat at around 5:15pm, the former military physician told the waiting newsmen: "What you have seen on television is true. Power does not last forever."

Meanwhile, an unsigned statement of Ittefaq Group of Publications Ltd last night quoted Mainul as saying, "Whether I'm part of the caretaker government or not, my dedication to the noble cause of establishing democracy will remain the same."

After the non-partisan caretaker government system was introduced in 1996, this is the second instance of advisers leaving their office en bloc.

The incumbent administration came after the one headed by President Iajuddin Ahmed had failed to create an atmosphere conducive to holding the ninth parliamentary election as per the constitutional provisions.

Amid growing political violence and public displeasure, Iajuddin stepped down as the chief adviser and dissolved the advisory council on January 11 last year, declaring the state of emergency and cancelling the ninth parliamentary polls scheduled for January 22.

Immediately after coming to power, the present government launched a crackdown on ''corrupt political bigwigs and businessmen". Its anti-graft drives were greeted with popular acclamation but some of the measures led to panic among the business community.

Its failure to contain soaring prices of essentials put a dent in the public support it has been enjoying. Some of the advisers soon appeared to be a lightning rod for controversy and it did not help things either.

People's frustration over the interim regime became obvious after the recent crisis of food grains.

It has been widely speculated in the past few days that the council of advisers might be reshuffled at any moment.

Sources close to the policymakers said Chief Adviser Fakhruddin Ahmed might address the nation on January 12. In his speech, he would seek to assure the people that his government is committed to mitigating their sufferings and achieving the goal to have a free and fair election held by this year.

Resignations of the advisers would help him avoid his words being perceived as empty rhetoric, added the sources.

Analysts and politicians, however, observed that it would still be difficult for the government to improve the overall situation.

Faced with the task of running the country for around two years, the caretaker government had tried before to expand the council but failed for what was described as constitutional obligation not to have more than 11 advisers including the chief adviser.

The policymakers are now considering appointing assistants to the advisers to reduce the burden of task ahead, sources said.

The first time the caretaker government saw resignation of its advisers was in December last year when four advisers--Akbar Ali Khan, Lt Gen (retd) Hasan Mashhud Chowhdury, Sultana Kamal and CM Shafi Sami--stepped aside protesting the then chief adviser's role perpetuating the political bickering.

None of the caretaker governments formed in 1996 and 2001 had to reshuffle its cabinet, and they successfully discharged their duties by extending all-out support to the Election Commission for holding the parliamentary polls within the stipulated timeframe.

But the current government, which came at the end of the constitutionally specified time limit for holding the polls since dissolution of the eighth parliament, began its journey with tenure not set.

Fakhruddin Ahmed was sworn in as the chief adviser on January 12 while his advisers later. Mainul, Geeteara and Tapan took oath of office on January 13 and Matiur on January 16.

In an address to the nation, Fakhruddin declared that the government would have a credible national election held by December 2008.
 
 
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[vinnomot] EU Bans Pakistani Seafood Imports

http://au.news.yahoo.com//080108/3/15gny.html

Asia Pulse Tuesday January 8, 06:29 PM

 

KARACHI Jan 8 Asia Pulse - Director of Pakistan's marine fisheries department Shaukat Hussain, managing director of Karachi Harbor Authority (KHA) Shahzad Gulzar and manager of the fishermen cooperative housing society Muhammad Ghazanfer Ali Boota called on the minister of state and chairman of trade development of Pakistan Tariq Ikram here on January 5, 2008.
During the meeting, they discussed in detail the matters pertaining to sanctions imposed by European Union on the export of seafood from Pakistan. State minister and chairman TDAP Tariq Ikram urged the Sindh government to formulate a comprehensive strategy within a period of three months, which would help eliminate the sanctions imposed on the fisheries department. He also highlighted the need to improve the quality of motorboats to European standards adding that 50 per cent of the maintenance charges on motor boats would be provided by the provincial government while the remainder would need to be paid by the motor boat owners.
He added that the National Bank of Pakistan would also provide interest-free loans to the owners of motorboats to help them stand on their own feet.
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[vinnomot] The Silent Majority has Spoken!

I want to inform the readers, this is part of the answer that I had written about 2/3rd of Pakistanis voting in a Poll for Islamic Shriyah. Sajjad (a Pakistani) has written a lot more on this subject after that. May I claim the right to reproduce his answer because he has mentioned Bangladesh in it? 

Sajjada987@wmconnect.com wrote:

In a message dated 1/8/2008 1:28:54 AM Central Standard Time, turkman@sbcglobal.net writes:


Moslims all over the world think, Islamic System is solution to the ills of their corrupt society and you can get similar Polls in all Moslim Countries. They know, strict ancient Wahabi Shriyah Laws have made Saudi Arabia almost Crimeless Society and they are also prosperous.


The Dumb Majority has Spoken Bullshit.

Let me make it very clear to all the counterfeit Muslims, that the religion or system which the Muslims of the world are following at present is not at all Islam, far far from it. The daily rituals, the many customs they follow, the attire they don, the traditions they adhere to, the recitations of holy books does not make anyone a Muslim of the Quran.

Before any one claims that the system which a Billion humans are following should be followed by others as well or imposed upon the Muslims of Pakistan as a cure all concoction, first show us the results, the fruits of your following this path. Why impose an illness upon others when you yourself have not derived any benefit from it in the last 1300 years or so. The silent majority desires Islam and Sharia as the cure to their shortcomings. The question arises were they following Hinduism so far? Now all of sudden they woke up and desire this Islam as their only savior? Which and what path they were treading upon since 1300 years?

Why were the Muslim Mullah/Immams proselytizing among so many other nations and calling the innocent and the unaware to the death trap they call Islam? Is this not a sin? They should first invite the Muslims to be to Iraq, Afghanista, Pakistan, Bangladesh or any Muslim country to observe and learn about all the various levels of the society. They should observe and live among the wretched, the deprived, the hungry, the sick and the hopeless. They should be taken to the hospitals, the Jails and the courts and made to suffer under the lack of daily human necessities like Electricity, Telephone, Gas and even flour.
After such an orientation these proselytizers or Tablighi's should ask them."Would you like to become a Muslim and follow our Islam and then live among us? Would you like to suffer like us and give up your prior life of liberty and abundance? Would this not be an honest act? A Muslim's way?

The Billion fake Muslims are all divided into hundreds of various sects. Each at war with the next sect and each professing to be the right and true Muslim. Each of the sect has its own Sharia, their own Hadiths, their own Fiqahs or laws and beliefs which they adhere to. The silent majority is asking for whose Sharia and who's Hadiths or which Islam to be imposed in Pakistan. Whoe's Islam will rid them of their miseries after 1300 years of suffering in a hell of their own making by following the Mullahs and their self concocted Hadiths? Why did they not follow this Islam before and instead suffered silently for 1300 years?

The only unit common among the Muslims is the Quran. The clergy dissuades the Muslims from even making any reference to the Quran, lest they learn the truth. Why? Because it prohibits the governess and livelihood of Mullahs, Monarchs, Dictators and Fascists among Muslims. The Hadiths allow all such ills among Muslims.

While the Muslims kill flies, mosquitoes and follow Hygiene and sanitation rules because they have learnt this from the Western Scientists and doctors that such acts help prevent diseases. They on the other hand promote the disease of their fake Islam as derived from Hadiths upon all humanity. How can a disease cure another disease?
Only Muslims can do it. The silent Majority is foolishly and ignorantly asking for mass chaos and a torturous life only.

Sajjad

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[vinnomot] 'Behesti Jeor' democracy? - S. Turkman, a god fearing muslim with different interpretation

No sir, how can I follow any sect of Islam against the orders of my God in Qoraan, when He is saying, "Kooloo wa tashraboo, wa laa taffarqqoo" (Treanslation: "Eat and Drink but do not cause division amongst you ...!"), in Quraan?
 
We have one God and are supposed to be one, not Shiyah, Soonni, Shiyah this or Sonnis that. We the ordinary people didn't create all these 73 Sects of Islam. The Molllaas did and we were so stupid that we followed them and divided ourselves being obedient to our those earthly gods instead of remembering, what God Himself had said in Qoraan speaking directly to us since we had stopped reading Qoraan and had started to hear it from their mouths without realizing that they were cheating because of their own abmbitions (which is a natural Psychological condition in all Humans, who want to be different and achieve some of their material of philosophical goals).
 
God in Qoran, the Prophet, the 1st 4 Caliphs had never authorized Government-paid permanant or full-time Imams or Clergy Heirarchy in any Mosques. Why was it?
 
Because His own Jewish Clergy Heirarchy had conspired to get Prophet Jesus or Eesau crucified. The Prophet that He had created without a father so, Humans could have more pure Prophet not interested in material greed or human love flesh and sex. Had he ever had sex in his life? Had he ever married? Had he ever taken money from anybody?
 
Our Mollaas do all that and call themselves 'SujjaaDah Nasheen' (the virtual descendents) of the prophets of God. Are they really, when even their living off Islam is illegal by words of God in Qoraan, the Prophet and 1st 4 Caliphs of Mohammadan Islam?
 
Doesn't Islam say, "Whoever gets up 1st to lead the prayer, can be an Imam" ...?
Then, how come you can not go in any of your Mosques and lead a Prayer?
I learnt that legally Imam of main Mosque of Delhi, who had abdicated for his younger brother had a son, who was an Aalim himself. When in Karachi, he once stood-up for people in his local Mosque to be an Imam and peformed the prayer for the people, who came in late, he was banned from the Mosque that he had been going to for decades.I haven't yet found under which law of Islam, which verse in Qoraan or which Hadith the local Imam had taken that action against him?
 
The Real problem are not us but guardians of our faith, who do not guide us to basics of Islam and keep collecting 'Koffaarah' Money from the biggest of Sinners of us to live-off happily. You can commit a fraud of 10 Crrores, pay one lakh to your Mollaa and feed a 100 people (sent to your Bungalow by the Mollaa) and all that money is legal and this is why Clergy was banned by God since all this is not Islam.
 
P.S.
You have posted this on Notun Bangla Internet Forum but I can't post it back on it anymore because Mollaa Moderator on that forum had banned me a few weeks ago for being Anti Mollaa since his Islam doesn't permit Free Speech though no Internet Forum of the world would have existed in this world if USA believed in that theory because Internet is owned by US Government.  
 
Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:
 
'Behesti Jeor' democracy? - S. Turkman, a God-fearing Muslim with different interpretation.......
WRT: 
 
Mr. S. Turkman
 
Things are becoming clearer. You just another God Fearing Muslim who has
different interpretation of Islam !
 
What's your say on the role of Ulema in the day to day life of ordinary
powerless people:
(1) Teacher
(2)  Exacutive [as in Kohemeni's doctrine- Guardianship of the Jurist]
(3)  Executive [Local power figure - as in Taleban Afganistan]
(4)  Military Commender [In the Islamic State of Afganistan and the Islamic Republic of Iran,
      Mullahs have directly coordinated military operations
(5)  Role in judicature -
(6)  Advisory role
(7)  Preaching
(8)  Fatwabazi [As we see in rural south Asia ]
(9)  Ulema as authors
 
Do you have your own doctrine or follow one of the existing such as
Hanafi, Shâfi'î , Maliki, Hanbali, Druze ectc.
 
 
 
On 1/7/08, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
'Behesti Jeor' democracy?

I agree with you. We need a Reform in Islam. God never mention word '5 Pillars of Islam' in Qoraan. The Prophet never mentioned them. They were created by our Mollaas because they suited them best and not the Basics of Islam that He had given to Prophet Moses (Moosau) though they were repeated in Qoraan in a lot more detail than in 10 Commandments of Old Testament. The Basics of Islam are not 5 Pillars. The Basics are the following:
 
THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
 
1. You shall not have other gods before me ...!
2. You shall not make graven images and bow down to them ...!
3. You shall not call my name in Vain ...!
4. Remember the Sabbath Day (the day of rest & Worship) ...!
5. Honor thy Parents ... !
6. You shall not Kill ...!
7. You shall not commit Adultery ...!
8. You shall not Steal ...!
9. You shall not bear false witness (or lie) ...!
10. You shall not covet (desire enviously, what belongs to somebody else) ...!
 
The No. 4 above was is missing in Qoraan because our day of worship wad Friday and Sabath means Saturday. These are the basics, not 5 Pillars, not the Rituals, not the traditions. Mollaas put all the emphasis on their 5 Pillars and do not put emphasis on the above plus other stuff that is supplemental to the above like Bribe Taking is same as stealing. Robbing is same as No. 10. Mis-use of power is same as stealing. Swindling and defrauding is also Stealing.


Enayet Ullah <enayet_2000@...> wrote:

Q: Can you please define Islam for me?
A: 1. Pronouncing Sahadah
2. Following 5 pillars
Now you are a muslim - as simple as that!

The Deobondi Islam which stress heavily on rituals
like Salat, Ramadan, Hajj etc. But they ignore the
plea for knowledge of the nature or mankind or our
souls. No wonder Muslims are back pedaling than moving
forward.

Those Mullahs of Deobondi wrote an excellent book of
blind ignorance named - 'Behesti Jeor'. You can get
every potion of your problem in that book here or
hereafter. Everyday, millions of Muslims blowing on a
glass of water with those verses from 'Behesti Jeor'
for the cure of their disease and for their problem.

No wonder last 100 years, there were not a significant
Muslim Scientists, Nobel laureate or inventions. We
could not send any Muslim in the moon yet, though
there are lot of verses in Quran about the
infiniteness of universe & Solar system.

We do not really understand and embrace our faith, we
merely follow some rituals prescribed by Mullahs.
Today, Muslims largely believe in some Islamic
symbolism than the real faith. So, we never grow faith
in ourselves, we blindly follow some rituals.

This is so wrong!

If you look at the life of Prophet and early verses of
Quran, it's all about instilling faith. There are lots
of science in those verses about the universe, solar
system and formation of life from a single cell
mutation.

What Islam need today is a revival of Intellectual
divinity and a reality check with modernity.

We need to do some serious soul searching, otherwise,
we are at the peril of extinction!

Peace,

--- ahmedsohail siddiqui
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Re: [ALOCHONA] Core Issues - National Interests

I wholeheartedly agree!

- M. Raheem
New York

----- Original Message ----
From: Wohid <bidrohee@yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 1:37:40 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Core Issues - National Interests

Do we have any other issues of national interest, please????? Not Jamat, not AL, not BNP, not Hannan, not Amnesty ... please highlight core issues of national interest.... It seems you guys have only agenda, only mission, only topic, only politics, only discussion - guess what - when it comes to talk anything about the country. Please give us a break.... Let's talk about future socio-economic agenda of Bangladesh. If you really care Bangladesh, and I'm sure you all do care so much, let's highlight issues like:
 
A. How to bring foreign institutional and High Net Individuals (HNI) investors to Bangladesh taking cue of our neighboring India where investors swarm and compete who should put how much.
 
B. How to generate positive image of the country. Remember again every Indian citizen and agency abroad work as an Indian ambassador whereas there are plenty of factors within and without Bangladesh to destroy good image of the country and campaign for exposing all it's bad images so as to prove that the country is always and hell that she deserves, if at all, charity rather than investment.
 
C. How to improve strong diplomacy of economy rather than remaining as a subject of mercy. Remember, because of India's strong economic diplomacy big international players frequent to India for strategic partnership while they visit Bangladesh if there is any charity call. Indian government agencies and policy makers when travel to foreign countries, they bring on their discussion table issues around bilateral trade, investment and many other agenda of economic import while their Bangladesh counterparts table the only agenda - how many laborers can be recruited into those countries.  
 
D. How to marginalize the bad impact of national and student politics, specially the politics that create thugs, family dynasty and hooligans to rob the nation and keep the mass people in captive. We do not want to see any more any Hawa Bhaban or Sudha Sadan to appear as vultures in the sky of the country's fate.
 
E. How to promote economic activities and corporatocracy to bring about expected level of economic growth and development and financial stability.
 
F. How to institutionalize democracy at national level and within party politics.
 
G. How to promote and improve technical training, education and use of state-of-the-art technology in all economic and other activities to ensure efficiency and enhance productivity.
 
And I leave it open for you to add some more to the above list. If you are capable of any intellectual and professional service to the nation, the country really need all the above from you and not the disservice that you are giving to the country by highlighting putrid political agenda. Best regards. Sincerely, Wohid 
______________________________________________________
M. Wohidul Islam
(LLM, Harvard Law School)
SVP - Head of Legal and Compliance
United International Bank B.S.C.
PO Box – 18373, Manama, Bahrain
Web:                www.uib.bh
_______________________________________________________________________

Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mr. S. A. Hannan wrote the following with the bland confidence that no one will be able to detect or notice the lies that hide the truths that all Bangladeshis hold dear to their hearts:

We know that Amnesty is a respectable organization .However, we do not think involving in domestic politics is a part of agenda of Amnesty. Knowledgeable people know that the present demand by some quarters for war crime trial after 36 years of independence of Bangladesh has been raised for partisan political purposes, to malign nationalist and Islamic forces .This is obvious also from simultaneous demand by the same quarters for banning of Islamic parties. Every body knows that in a popular referendum extremist secularism of 1972 constitution has been overthrown and Islam was made a pillar of the statecraft. The left and extremist seculars have no support in the country, so they take political cover to reach their unpopular agenda. After all the war prisoners of 1971 war was released and the then President of Bangladesh gave amnesty to all people except specific cases of murder etcetra, there is no justification except partisan politics to raise such old issues.

We think the Amnesty has done grave error in this matter; this has become possible because the present secretary general of Amnesty is a person of Bangladesh origin and she has been influenced by a group. We hope Amnesty would realize its mistake.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
It is bad enough for everyone in Bangladesh at present, for the poor as well as for the not-so-poor, to have to cope with the rising food and medicine prices, accommodation and transportation difficulties of everyday life, not to speak of Acts of Nature. In the midst of the harsh realities of an uncertain economy and unpromising political future, this Jamaati 'Honcho Supremo' wants us now to deal with a 'make-believe' description of 1971 War of Liberation and the 1972 Constitution!

Let us remind ourselves who is complaining about outsiders "involving in domestic "affairs. We know that he is the Islami Bank brain behind the arrangement of funds from mysterious Middle Eastern sources that have gone into financing the Islamist terror groups in Bangladesh involved in unspeakable blood-spilling and murderous activities for the past decade.

A gun runner who exploits his high position in the Govt. and banking skills to organize clandestine financing from abroad to arm the Islamist groups to terrorize the innocent citizens of Bangladesh is complaining about Amnesty International showing an interest in the trial of the War Crimes of 1971 Genocide of Bangladesh!
Perhaps we need to help Mr. Hannan with a reality check -- and we need to do it in a hurry!


-Farida Majid




 


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[vinnomot] USA been Anti Arabs or Anti Colonial Powers?

Oil had not change their status because they were getting about 1/1000 % in Royalties until Washington decided to kill that source of richeness of former Colonial Empires since USA was formed on the theory of Anti Colonialism. The Proof is, ... 
 
1. USA had refused help to UK., Holland and others, when they had blockaded the ports of Iran and wanted to invade Iran.
2. USA had refused help to UK and France bombing Egyot, when their Suez Canal was nationalized by Socialist Jamal Naser of Egypt though USA had not liked him.
3. USA had plotted nationalization of all Oil Wells of European countries in the Middle East secretly and refused to help them, when they came asking for help.
4. USA had done nothing, when Socialist Moammar Qaddafi had nationalized Oil Wells of an American Company either, which tells you, USA stayed on the path even if her actions were against interests of companies of USA at certain points to achieve the objectives.
 
Conclusion:
 
USA made Oil-rich Moslim countries get the real worth of their Oil despite that Foreign Companies had discovered it and used their technology that Moslims had no way of inventing for another few hundred years but the thing is, this part of history is never told to Moslims and USA has never propagated it because it would have hurt feelings of citizens of her allies in Europe, in her war against Communism. Even the people, who knew, what went on kept quite to keep their solidarity with USA against the big bad Bear of Communism, who eventually was never going to attack them as the circumstances proved later. Now USA is facing the punishment for being so Anti Imperialists and being too pro-Moslim Savages of 7th Century trying not to destroy her but also Europe by their Suicdal Sneak Attack Terrorism, which they think, Islam orders them to do. Allaho Akabar ...!
In a message dated 1/8/2008 9:52:16 AM Central Standard Time, MikeGhouse@aol.com writes:


Moslims all over the world think, Islamic System is solution to the ills of their corrupt society and you can get similar Polls in all Moslim Countries. They know, strict ancient Wahabi Shriyah Laws have made Saudi Arabia almost Crimeless Society and they are also prosperous.


The prosperity comes from oil. Before 1920 or so, when oil was not discovered, they only subsided on dates and Camels Sheep etc. Their income came mainly from Haj.
They were dirt poor and lived in tribes just as the pre Mohammad era had been.

sajjad
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[vinnomot] America's inflated asset bubble prices must fall

-----Original Message-----
From: Sino Economics
Sent: Jan 8, 2008 10:24 AM


America's inflated asset prices must fall
By Stephen Roach
Mon Jan 7, 1:05 PM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ft/20080107/bs_ft/fto010720081324550910;_ylt=Aowq_52
2SCo0vjzHOs.Lr5b2ULEF

The US has been the main culprit behind the destabilising global imbalances
of recent years. America's massive current account deficit absorbs about 75
per cent of the world's surplus saving. Most believe that a weaker US dollar
is the best cure for these imbalances. Yet a broad measure of the US dollar
has dropped 23 per cent since February 2002 in real terms, with only minimal
impact on America's gaping external imbalance. Dollar bears argue that more
currency depreciation is needed. Protectionists insist that China - which
has the largest bilateral trade imbalance with the US - should bear a
disproportionate share of the next downleg in the US dollar.

There is good reason to doubt this view. America's current account deficit
is due more to bubbles in asset prices than to a misaligned dollar. A
resolution will require more of a correction in asset prices than a further
depreciation of the dollar. At the core of the problem is one of the most
insidious characteristics of an asset-dependent economy - a chronic
shortfall in domestic saving. With America's net national saving averaging a
mere 1.4 per cent of national income over the past five years, the US has
had to import surplus saving from abroad to keep growing. That means it must
run massive current account and trade deficits to attract the foreign
capital.

America's aversion toward saving did not appear out of thin air. Waves of
asset appreciation - first equities and, more recently, residential
property - convinced citizens that a new era was at hand. Reinforced by a
monstrous bubble of cheap credit, there was little perceived need to save
the old-fashioned way - out of income. Assets became the preferred vehicle
of choice.

With one bubble begetting another, America's imbalances rose to epic
proportions. Despite generally subpar income generation, private consumption
soared to a record 72 per cent of real gross domestic product in 2007.
Household debt hit a record 133 per cent of disposable personal income. And
income-based measures of personal saving moved back into negative territory
in late 2007.

None of these trends is sustainable. It is only a question of when they give
way and what it takes to spark a long overdue rebalancing. A sharp decline
in asset prices is necessary to rebalance the US economy. It is the only
realistic hope to shift the mix of saving away from asset appreciation back
to that supported by income generation. That could entail as much as a 20-30
per cent decline in overall US housing prices and a related deflating of the
bubble of cheap and easy credit.

Those trends now appear to be under way. Reflecting an outsize imbalance
between supply and demand for new homes, residential property prices fell 6
per cent in the year ending October 2007 for 20 major metropolitan areas in
the US, according to the S&P Case-Shiller Index. Most likely, this foretells
a broader downturn in nationwide home prices in 2008 that could continue
into 2009. Meanwhile, courtesy of the subprime crisis, the credit bubble has
popped - ending the cut-rate funding that fuelled the housing bubble.

As home prices move into a protracted period of decline, consumers will
finally recognise the perils of bubble-distorted saving strategies.
Financially battered households will respond by rebuilding income-based
saving balances. That means the consumption share of gross domestic product
will fall and the US economy will most likely tumble into recession.

America's shift back to income-supported saving will be a pivotal
development for the rest of the world. As consumption slows and household
saving rises in the US, the need to import surplus saving from abroad will
diminish. Demand for foreign capital will recede - leading to a reduction of
both the US current-account and trade deficits. The global economy will
emerge bruised, but much better balanced.

Washington policymakers and politicians need to stand back and let this
adjustment play out. Yet the US body politic is panicking in response -
underwriting massive liquidity injections that produce another asset bubble
and proposing fiscal pump-priming that would depress domestic saving even
further. Such actions can only compound the problems that got America into
this mess in the first place.

China-bashers in the US Congress also need to stand down. America does not
have a China problem - it has a multilateral trade deficit with over 40
countries. The China bilateral imbalance may be the biggest contributor to
the overall US trade imbalance but, in large part, this is a result of
supply-chain decisions by US multinationals.

By focusing incorrectly on the dollar and putting pressure on the Chinese
currency, Congress would only shift China's portion of the US trade deficit
elsewhere - most likely to a higher-cost producer. That would be the same as
a tax hike on American workers. If the US returns to income-based saving in
the aftermath of the bursting of housing and credit bubbles, its
multilateral trade deficit will narrow and the Chinese bilateral imbalance
will shrink.

It is going to be a very painful process to break the addiction to asset-led
behaviour. No one wants recessions, asset deflation and rising unemployment.
But this has always been the potential endgame of a bubble-prone US economy.
The longer America puts off this reckoning, the steeper the ultimate price
of adjustment. Tough as it is, the only sensible way out is to let markets
lead the way. That is what the long overdue bursting of America's asset and
credit bubbles is all about.

The writer is chairman of Morgan Stanley Asia




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