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RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: Dr Yunus & Grameen Bank


Professor Mohammed Yunus and Fazle Hassan Abed are visionaries and leaders of change not in the context of Bangladesh but from a global perspective. Only the people who have not objectively researched enough will utter the ignorant (I am sorry but could not find a better word to articulate myself) comments about their contributions. I request these people to read some books (now available in plenty) on the efforts of Grameen Bank and BRAC in transforming the rural poverty situations in Bangladesh over the past thirty years which had a directly positive  impact on the overall socio-economic environment of the entire country. Apart from the empowerment of the women and eradication of grass roots poverty, the increase in productions in rice, vegetables and maize farming, poultry and cattle farming, pissiculture, textiles and rural handicrafts due to the involvement and coordiantion of the NGOs like Grameen Bank, BRAC and others are simply mind boggling. The progress Bangladesh has made over the past 30 years has lot to do with these individuals and organizations.
 
The reasons behind the higher interest rate and service charges are also explained in details in the literature published on these organizations - the rural poor are provided with small loans with no securities or collaterals - there is a cost involved in the process. One needs to have an analytical mind to understand this !
 
Best regards,
Shafqat         


To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: maaliy2k@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:52:57 +0000
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Dr Yunus & Grameen Bank

Folks,
Please know the fact about Dr. Yunus and GB before jumping to strong
conclusion at.

http://www.grameen-info.org/bank/GBGlance.htm

Dr. Yunus is NOT an official of Grameen Phone I found the following
truth about Grameen Phone's involvement with corrupt practice and its
relation with Dr Yunus. All the references are given at the end of
this message.

The issue is a bit complex and I am not finding Dr. Yunus has
anything to do with the illegal activities committed by Grameen
Phone. Dr. Yunus is associated with Grameen Telecom - not with
Grameen Phone. Actually, Grameen Phone and Grameen Telecom are
separate entity. Grameen Phone is a for-profit organization while
Grameen Telecom is a non-profit organization and a unit of Grameen
Bank. Grameen Phone's majority share (62%) is owned by Telenor and
the rest (38%) is owned by Grameen Telecom. The important thing is
that Dr. Yunus is NOT a part of Grameen Phone's managemnet. In
essence, a tense relation is going on between Dr. Yunus and the
management of Grameen Phone for quite sometime. Dr. Yunus is fighting
to obtain the majority shares of Grameen Phone for Grameen Telecom
per a verbal? contract made in the past (according to Dr. Yunus).
Bottomline, Dr. Yunus has nothing to with the illegal acivities of
the Grameen Phone. I collected most of the info from the following
links.

http://www.grameen-info.org/grameen/gtelecom/index.html
http://www.grameenphone.com/index.php?id=65
http://money.cnn.com/2006/12/04/news/international/yunos_telenor.fortu
ne/index.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grameen_Telecom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Yunus

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@...>
wrote:
>
> Friends
>
> Grameen takes loan from abraod(donors & WB) at a very nominal
rate and distributes to the poor but realises interest at a rate of
about 30 - 40%.
> BRAC very recently took more than one thousnad Crore Taka from
Banks in Bangladesh at an interest rate of 13% but will charge that
rate as og GB. Thses two Banks of the poor are not bankers to the
poorest of the poor rahter blood suckers of the already dyiing
population. They did not even spare the Sidr affected people
lately.They are worse than Shlock the butcher.
>
> I did not say anything of my own rather I compiled the report of
the news items that are flashed from time to time about these two
main stalwarts. For their great services to the poor they are
awarded one after another coveted prizes by the West(US/UK/Israel)
controlled august institution including Noble(?).
>
> I can assure that I am not jelous but their mockery should stop.
>
> Faruque Alamgir
>
> Arif Bhuiyan <arif1964uk@...>
wrote:
>
> # 1
> Saturday Interview with Dr Yunus: The Guardian, UK
> Saturday February 16 2008
> What's the big idea?
> His pioneering Grameen Bank began with a $27 loan and went on to
lift millions out of poverty. Nobel prize-winner Muhammad Yunus
talks to Madeleine Bunting
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2008/feb/16/banking
>
>
> # 2
> Grameen Bank offers loans to US poor
> Financial Times, UK
> By Daniel Pimlott in New York
> Published: February 15 2008 19:09 | Last updated: February 15
2008 23:17
> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d05bb6d2-dc30-11dc-bc82-
0000779fd2ac.html
>
> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a612164c-dbf8-11dc-bc82-
0000779fd2ac.html
>
> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/cf0c4b56-dc31-11dc-bc82-
0000779fd2ac.html
>
>
> # 3
> Grameen model raises issue of who serves poor best
> Financial Times, UK
> Published: February 9 2008 02:00 | Last updated: February 9 2008
02:00
> From Mr James Stodder.
>
> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/eee8c7dc-d6b0-11dc-b9f4-
0000779fd2ac,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A%2F%
2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2Feee8c7dc-d6b0-11dc-b9f4-
0000779fd2ac.html&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ft.com%2Fsearch%
3FqueryText%3DGrameen%2Bmodel%2Braises%2Bissue%2Bof%2Bwho%2Bserves%
2Bpoor%2Bbest%26aje%3Dtrue%26dse%3D%26dsz%3D
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[ALOCHONA] Re: Dr Yunus & Grameen Bank

Folks,
Please know the fact about Dr. Yunus and GB before jumping to strong
conclusion at.

http://www.grameen-info.org/bank/GBGlance.htm

Dr. Yunus is NOT an official of Grameen Phone I found the following
truth about Grameen Phone's involvement with corrupt practice and its
relation with Dr Yunus. All the references are given at the end of
this message.

The issue is a bit complex and I am not finding Dr. Yunus has
anything to do with the illegal activities committed by Grameen
Phone. Dr. Yunus is associated with Grameen Telecom - not with
Grameen Phone. Actually, Grameen Phone and Grameen Telecom are
separate entity. Grameen Phone is a for-profit organization while
Grameen Telecom is a non-profit organization and a unit of Grameen
Bank. Grameen Phone's majority share (62%) is owned by Telenor and
the rest (38%) is owned by Grameen Telecom. The important thing is
that Dr. Yunus is NOT a part of Grameen Phone's managemnet. In
essence, a tense relation is going on between Dr. Yunus and the
management of Grameen Phone for quite sometime. Dr. Yunus is fighting
to obtain the majority shares of Grameen Phone for Grameen Telecom
per a verbal? contract made in the past (according to Dr. Yunus).
Bottomline, Dr. Yunus has nothing to with the illegal acivities of
the Grameen Phone. I collected most of the info from the following
links.

http://www.grameen-info.org/grameen/gtelecom/index.html
http://www.grameenphone.com/index.php?id=65
http://money.cnn.com/2006/12/04/news/international/yunos_telenor.fortu
ne/index.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grameen_Telecom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Yunus


--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@...>
wrote:
>
> Friends
>
> Grameen takes loan from abraod(donors & WB) at a very nominal
rate and distributes to the poor but realises interest at a rate of
about 30 - 40%.
> BRAC very recently took more than one thousnad Crore Taka from
Banks in Bangladesh at an interest rate of 13% but will charge that
rate as og GB. Thses two Banks of the poor are not bankers to the
poorest of the poor rahter blood suckers of the already dyiing
population. They did not even spare the Sidr affected people
lately.They are worse than Shlock the butcher.
>
> I did not say anything of my own rather I compiled the report of
the news items that are flashed from time to time about these two
main stalwarts. For their great services to the poor they are
awarded one after another coveted prizes by the West(US/UK/Israel)
controlled august institution including Noble(?).
>
> I can assure that I am not jelous but their mockery should stop.
>
> Faruque Alamgir
>
> Arif Bhuiyan <arif1964uk@...>
wrote:
>
> # 1
> Saturday Interview with Dr Yunus: The Guardian, UK
> Saturday February 16 2008
> What's the big idea?
> His pioneering Grameen Bank began with a $27 loan and went on to
lift millions out of poverty. Nobel prize-winner Muhammad Yunus
talks to Madeleine Bunting
>
>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2008/feb/16/banking
>
>
> # 2
> Grameen Bank offers loans to US poor
> Financial Times, UK
> By Daniel Pimlott in New York
> Published: February 15 2008 19:09 | Last updated: February 15
2008 23:17
>

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d05bb6d2-dc30-11dc-bc82-
0000779fd2ac.html
>
>

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a612164c-dbf8-11dc-bc82-
0000779fd2ac.html
>
>

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/cf0c4b56-dc31-11dc-bc82-
0000779fd2ac.html
>
>
> # 3
> Grameen model raises issue of who serves poor best
> Financial Times, UK
> Published: February 9 2008 02:00 | Last updated: February 9 2008
02:00
> From Mr James Stodder.
>
>

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/eee8c7dc-d6b0-11dc-b9f4-
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3FqueryText%3DGrameen%2Bmodel%2Braises%2Bissue%2Bof%2Bwho%2Bserves%
2Bpoor%2Bbest%26aje%3Dtrue%26dse%3D%26dsz%3D
>
>
>
> - Arif Bhuiyan
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[mukto-mona] Indian economic "growth" illusory?

 
SV is a former RBI governor. His role was under question during the Securities Scam of early 1990s. I am sure that he accepted hospitality of Stanchart Bank in London during the scam when he was RBI Gov. 

I am not linking this to what he has opined in this piece but I am one of those who would throw off his sermon.
SR

Dilemma of growth vs equality by S. Venkitaramanan (http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2008/02/18/stories/2008021850550900.htm)
The political economy of India is dominated by discussions between those who favour growth-oriented policies and those who are on the side of poverty alleviation. The apparent conflict between these two schools of thought is not that really sharp. Many economists all over the world have argued that growth itself helps to reduce poverty. But there are still convinced ideologues who believe that policies in favour of reduction of poverty are justified in themselves and they need not necessarily reduce growth, indeed they may promote growth.
The debate has taken a rather classic ideological flavour in West Bengal. The present Chief Minister, Mr Buddhadeb Bhattacharya, has almost declared himself in favour of higher growth and there are other prominent associates of his in the Government who share the same view. Against this school of thought are dyed-in-the-wool radicals.
India's dilemmas
I came across an interesting piece, a lecture, by Dr Kaushik Basu at the Madras School of Economics, which has been reproduced in the Economic and Political Weekly of February 2, 2008. It is entitled "India's Dilemmas: The Political Economy of Policymaking in a Globalised World."
Dr Basu cites the statements of some prominent members of the Communist Government of West Bengal that socialism is not feasible in the States ruled by the Left Front and so they have to run on the basis of Capitalist line since the bulk of the nation is on such lines. An attempt at redistributive tax policies will cause flight of capital and jobs. This is, no doubt, valid but as Dr Basu points out, even if the Left Front dominated all India, the conflict would continue. Capital and jobs can go to other nations.
The lecture starts by commenting on the rather 'astonishing' (the adjective is Basu's) rate of growth of the Indian economy in recent decades. Dr Basu points out that India had risen in the roster of nations ranked low on the basis of rate of growth in the early 1980s, although even today it ranks lower compared to China and a bit better than Vietnam. Dr Basu points to various studies that have surveyed the record of growth of India over the decade. India recorded a rate of growth of 1 per cent or so in the period up to Independence and thereafter its rate of growth grew to 3.5 per cent till the period of reforms.
Dr Basu has also pointed out that surprising as it may seem, the year of emergency recorded a rate of growth of 9 per cent, which was considerably higher than the previously recorded rate. Perhaps, stricter enforcement of rules accounted for better performance. Suffice it to say, the reforms of the 90s led to the acceleration in the rate of growth to nearly 9 per cent. This is sustained on the basis of domestic savings and domestic investment. What is more impressive is the fact that India's external situation has improved, as shown by the growth of forex reserves.
Growth in inequality
Dr Basu has pointed out that while all this has been achieved, there has been a growth in inequality. While the percentage of people below the poverty line may have decreased, the inequality indices have become worse. Dr Basu poses the conflict between inequality and poverty reduction. In effect, he asks: Is it necessary to tolerate a bit of growth in inequality if we have to achieve poverty reduction? In a scholarly exercise brimming with theory beloved of economists, Dr Basu examines this conflict in a tightly argued manner.
The conclusion that Dr Basu reaches is that we may have to tolerate a little bit of inequality in order to attract the rich in a highly globalised world. We have to keep the tax rate low if the riches are to stay in our jurisdiction. West Bengal learned this lesson at its cost. For about 30 years, the State took a tough line on industrialists and if they wanted to stay in the State they had to abide by the tough labour laws and the like.
It was this realisation that led to corporates leaving the State. The State authorities invited capital with open arms, as for instance, in the case of Tata's small car project, by offering land at concessional rates. This would mean that the Communist leadership of West Bengal is accepting the inevitability of coexisting with capitalism in the context of competition for capital and labour, from both other States and other nations. When capital can freely move from one jurisdiction to another in search of lower tax rates and better labour conditions, it is difficult for a State to enforce its policy in favour of equity.
Dr Basu examines the consequences of this view in regard to manoeuvrability of political economy. He points out that the State cannot ignore the fact that other States can offer a better environment from the tax point of view, and labour conditions.
This is true not only as between States, but as between nations. While efforts have been made to coordinate tax policies between States in order to reduce tax competition, the same is not the case in respect of nations. Dr Basu hints at the need for international collaboration to bring into being a mechanism to make tax rates equitable and comparable between different nations so as to reduce competition on this ground.
Role of culture
An interesting aspect of Dr Basu's lecture is that it emphasises the role of culture in economic growth — culture in the sense of trust between individuals and governments and investors.
It is true that, to a large extent, lack of trust is endemic in India, as disclosed by the kind of restrictions on businesses. India ranks low in the list of nations in respect of feasibility of starting, conducting and closing businesses. Much can be done in this regard.
Turning to the question of inequality versus poverty reduction, Dr Basu points out that high tax rates as a means of reducing inequality may be counterproductive for growth and hence increase poverty. In this context, he examines the comments made by certain observers that had India opened up as China did in 1978, India would have generated decades of growth.
He points out that, on the contrary, we may have been reduced to the fate of Latin American countries, which opened up early and were savaged by the multinational and international capital movements.
The lesson that Dr Basu's illuminating lecture provides is that political dilemmas in a globalising world are really serious. As long as capital is free to move to other countries, it is not easy to have policies in favour of equality for one State or one nation.
As Mr Basu points out, it is one thing to know the measure of poverty, but another to know what is to be done about it. Obviously, much depends on Government investment for health and educational services in respect of which Indian States rank low amongst nations of the world. There is much to be done to upgrade our educational and health facilities if inequality and poverty are to be addressed.
All in all, Dr Basu's lecture is an intellectual feast, which raises more questions than it answers. But that, after all, is the hallmark of an "argumentative Indian".

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[mukto-mona] Please publish

'If it's a fight between McCain & Obama

I will cast my vote for McCain'

 

[Sitangshu Guha]

Looks like John McCain will be the next president of United States of America. Reason is simple; America is not ready for a black or a women president at this time. Al Gore made a blunder by not running for democratic ticket. But he also will have a chance for the next election, because McCain can't win next election. So, most probably democrats will occupy white house 2013. Usually, American voters don't give House & White House to the same party, so--.

 

Al Gore did not run and why? Is he committed to the Clintons? Or he wants to make sure 2012 is for him? If McCain wins this time he will surely not run re-election or if he runs he will loss. In both the parties even their own people are not happy with the candidates. Republicans did not knew McCain will be the winner of their party while Democrats wanted somebody else than a women or a black. Now no point of returning back, they have to accept their own candidates. Is this opportunity Mayor Bloomberg was looking for? Will he get in as an independent? Who knows!

 

House is now controlled by the Democrats, so White House may go to the Republicans? Is McCain a Republican? Well, he is. But he is not a conservative and is loved by a lot of Democrats & as well as liberals. So, his chance of winning will be more against either Obama or Hillary.

 

Our Bangladeshi people for some reason are in favor of Hillary Clinton and wished that she should be elected as president. Two main reasons I can assume are that, she once visited Bangladesh and people thinks she is in favor of Arabs rather than Israelis.  Not far ago, she hugged Yaseer Arafat's wife Suha which was criticized by the Western world.  Hillary loves power & herself, then her daughter and for power she can do anything. Bill & Hill are just partners helping each other for their political goal. For Bill, political part is over and he is getting old, so he needs her more than ever while Hillary is trying to use Bill's image, which unfortunately is not working that good. In New York Bill & Hill is popular and NY is not total America, our people has a wrong perception about Bill & Hill for that reason. Understanding that, our over smart friends are trying to favor Obama, because they are happy about his Muslim connections which he himself denied firmly.

 

Like Awami League Democrats talk nice, may have good plans but loses the election while on contrary Republicans knows the election mechanism and how to win. I remember in 2004 while election flavor was on top of everything I went to Paris. In a party with most people from Bangladesh & India wanted to know who will win the election. They expected me to say: 'Kerry'. But I said: 'Bush'. Most of them got angry, some argued with me. I tried to explain to them, but may be they thought that I was a fool or don't know anything. Actually I was writing every week for a local Bengali weekly on president election and just before going to Europe  I met with one gentleman of hardcore Republicans who explained me how Bush's win was almost sure and I believed that. Unlike first term Bush's second term win was uncontroversial.

 

This time also as I guess the whole election game plan of the Republicans so far is going as experts' wished it. First part of the game is to defeat Hillary and help Obama win the democratic ticket. If this plan works, second part will be to defeat Obama. Defeating Obama will be easier than Hillary, because Obama is less experienced and he is of African origin.  His Muslim connection will be an issue too. Obama is triumphing Hillary in South, unfortunately South will fail him in November. South is conservative and they want a president of their ideology. Neither McCain nor Obama is conservative but McCain is Republican and with decorated experience. Bush had already called upon his conservative base to support McCain and they also came forward to show that. For long time East is not a detrimental factor for president election and this time also it will not be different.

 

Surely, there will be multiple plans to defeat Obama and you never know what will come when there will be only two players, McCain & Obama. For McCain everything is open but for Obama, people may be surprised with new findings. Is digging is on now?  Obama has a lot of advantages including his age and for McCain age will be his major disadvantage.

 

Nobody can say for sure what will be the final game and who will win because the ball will be in people's court. This is the beauty of this country, people takes the final decision, no matter who does what. Whole world will be looking forward to see the election outcome in November. If I have to take a decision between McCain & Obama I will cast my vote for McCain. Reason is simple, it is no matter for me or for Bangladesh, who becomes the president of the United States of America but McCain has an adopted daughter from Bangladesh and hence I will vote for him. In White House or in policy making there will have no influence on President McCain but in home little Brijit may remind him a poor country desperately needs help to find a way for democracy and free of militant Islamists.

 

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[mukto-mona] McCain - The World's Worst Panderer

Dear Mukto-Mona readers:
 
Every once in a while an Op-ED is published that merits recirculation.  The presidential election is months away but we should learn the positives and negatives of each leading candidate.  The Republican Part's flag-bearer in November 4, 2008 election is going to be Senator John McCain who claims to be a conservative.  But the conservative radio talk show hosts think he has a streak of liberalism in him.  Senator McCain is not an ideologue.  He had often flip-flopped on issues, which made the conservatives in America upset.  Now that McCain needs the support of neo-cons and Christian fundamentalists to win the election in November, he is changing side.
 
Please read this NYT Op-Ed article to know more about John McCain.  I have problem with McCain's voting record and his temper.  On many occasions he lost his cool on senate floor.  The last thing we need is a president who has temper problem.  The person who could push the nuclear button at his will should be calm and cool, which is not McCain's deportment.
 
What America needs now is a visionary leader.  In my book McCain is not a candidate who could inspire and unite ordinary people to do extraordinary thing. 
 
Sincerely,
 
A.H. Jaffor Ullah
New Orleans
 
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Op-Ed Column
 
The World's Worst Panderer
 
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Published: February 17, 2008 in NY Times Op-Ed Page
 
Even for those of us who shudder at many of John McCain's positions, there is something refreshing about a man who wins so many votes despite a major political shortcoming: he is abysmal at pandering.
 
What sets Senator McCain apart isn't so much his physical courage in Vietnam; many of his fellow prisoners also showed immense bravery under torture. But the United States Congress tends to be a courage-free zone, so Mr. McCain's orneriness toward Republican primary voters makes him a lionheart in the political world.
 
It's a pleasure to see candidates who don't just throw red meat to the crowds but try to offer vegetarian options.
 
Consider torture. There was nary a vote in the Republican primary to be gained by opposing the waterboarding of swarthy Muslim men accused of terrorism. But Mr. McCain led the battle against Dick Cheney on torture, even though it cost him donations, votes and endorsements.
 
Even more than his time as a prisoner in Hanoi, that marked Mr. McCain's most heroic moment. He risked his political career to protect Muslim terror suspects who constitute the most despised and voiceless people in America.
 
Then there's immigration. While other Republican candidates revved up the mobs by debating how high a limb is optimal for hanging illegal immigrants, he patiently explained that it's a complex problem with unsatisfying solutions, including creation of a path to citizenship for illegals.
 
For years, Mr. McCain denounced ethanol subsidies, which exist mostly because every ambitious politician in America wants to win the Iowa caucuses someday. This year he claimed that he liked ethanol after all, but he was so manifestly insincere and incompetent in this pandering that the episode was less contemptible than amusing.
 
In Michigan, he dared to tell voters that some jobs "aren't coming back."
 
In Iraq, Mr. McCain argued that the solution to an unpopular war was to send more troops. He gets bonus points for almost never mentioning that his son Jimmy was a marine stationed in Iraq until this month.
 
Granted, his pride in "straight talk" may arise partly because he is an execrable actor. When he does try double-talk, he looks so guilty and uncomfortable that he convinces nobody.
 
It's also striking that Barack Obama is leading a Democratic field in which he has been the candidate who is least-scripted and most willing to annoy primary voters, whether in speaking about Reagan's impact on history or on the suffering of Palestinians.
 
All of this is puzzlingly mature on the part of the electorate. A common complaint about President Bush is that he walls himself off from alternative points of view, but the American public has the same management flaw: it normally fires politicians who tell them bad news.
 
It is true that Mr. McCain sometimes weaves and bobs. With the arrival of the primaries, he has moved to the right on social issues and pretended to be more conservative than he is. On Wednesday, for example, he retreated on his brave stand on torture by voting against a bill that would block the C.I.A. from using physical force in interrogations.
 
His most famous pander came in 2000, when, after earlier denouncing the Confederate flag as a "symbol of racism," he embraced it as "a symbol of heritage." To his credit, Mr. McCain later acknowledged, "I feared that if I answered honestly I could not win the South Carolina primary, so I chose to compromise my principles."
 
In short, Mr. McCain truly has principles that he bends or breaks out of desperation and with distaste. That's preferable to politicians who are congenital invertebrates.
 
I disagree with Mr. McCain on Iraq, taxes, abortion and almost every other major issue. He has a nasty temper, which isn't ideal for the hand holding a nuclear trigger. For a man running partly on biography, he treated his first wife, Carol, poorly. And one of the meanest put-downs in modern political history was a savage joke that Mr. McCain publicly related about Chelsea Clinton when she was 18 years old; it was inexcusable.
 
Yet Mr. McCain himself would probably acknowledge every one of these flaws, and he is a rare politician with the courage not just to follow the crowd but also to lead it. It is refreshing to see that courage rewarded by voters.
 
 
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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: If State language, why not state religion?Anonta Bijay Das?

WRT: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/46608

1. It is neither religion nor language, rather it is the attitude of the ruler that as a greater culprit divides people. The founders of Pakistan used Islam to unite the Muslims. The rulers of Pakistan, on the other hand, used language to divide the nation.

2. The southern states of India were not happy when Hindi was made India's official language. Official language and state language are not synonymous. The USA has no state language, although English (in some areas Spanish too) is its official language. A country reaches its decision on its official language after many practical considerations.

3. Bengali is theoretically the official language of Bangladesh, but practically it is not. It would be more appropriate to say that English and Bengali are the two official languages of Bangladesh. That Bengali is the state language of Bengali has only historical importance.

4. Declaring a particular religion as the state religion in a multireligious country is deplorable. By the same token a particular language also should not be made the state language in a multi-lingual country. It should be noted that the UNO observes the 21st February as the International Mother Language Day, not either as a state language day or a national language day. That was the spirit of the Language Movement (Ora aamar mayer bhasha kaira nite chay.)

5. It is duty and responsibility of all governments to let all aspiring mother languages flourish. Many people from Chittagong aspire to see their 'mother' language as an established language. Why should we ignore the aspiration of the Chittagong Hill tracts people? All the aspiring indigenous languages can be supported even by keeping one official language. Only broadness of mind and national consensus are needed.

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[ALOCHONA] How innocent is Islami Bank of Bangladesh?

The following is an excerpt from a paper titled: Jamaat-i-Islam: A Threat to Bangladesh
 by Chris Blackburn, a political intelligence analyst
 
[The full text was posted at 'mukto-mona' forum on Nov. 27, 2007. But few paid any attention. That goes to show how insensitive we have become to the reality of the threat.]
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The Jamaat-Bangladesh has been repeatedly linked to terrorist organisations mainly due to the fact that the majority of leaders and terrorists belonging to Jamaatul Mujahideen Bangladesh (JMB) and Jagrata Muslim Janata (JMJB) have past histories of involvement with Jamaat and the Islami Chhatra Shibir .

The Islami Bank Bangladesh (IBBL) is also linked to militancy and is controlled by the Jamaat - banks which act as foreign sponsors of IBBL have previously been used or have been accused of funnelling money to al-Qaeda linked militants and supporting radical Islamism in other countries. Yassin Qadi, a US and UN designated financier of terrorism's family are also close to the bank . Qadi is a Saudi businessman and is the son-in-law of Sheikh Ahmed Salah Jamjoom, a foreign sponsor of IBBL . Jamjoom was a former finance minister in the Saudi government. It is not known if Qadi has direct ties to the bank. The Kuwaiti based Revival of Islamic Heritage Society (RIHS) also had accounts at the bank they are suspected of financing terrorism in Bangladesh and elsewhere- it is believed that the organisation helped finance the 17th August serial bombings in 2005 .
The links between the IBBL and the International Islamic University (Chittagong) - show how the Jamaat-Ikwhan is growing in influence in education- mainly in Dawa and Islamic financial sectors. The Jamaat- Shibir Bangladesh has also acted as a funding conduit for the ISI and the Jamaat-Pakistan . In 2000 Indian intelligence agencies intercepted a letter from Jamaat leaders which acknowledges that monies had been transferred through Jamaat-Bangladesh to the Muslim United Liberation Tigers of Assam (MULTA) from Jamaat-Pakistan . It must be noted that the US State Department and the US Department of Justice are concerned that the Bangladeshi Government is not investigating 45 major money laundering cases related to International terrorism; they believe it is due to political reasons- the US sent a team of officials from the Department of Justice to Dhaka to directly talk to their opposite numbers, this meeting was meant to be secret but was leaked to the press because of the frustration at the lack of progress .
MULTA is a terrorist organisation which is working towards turning Assam, a region in North India, into an Islamic enclave which will be run by Shariah law. The group has been involved in bombings and assassinations of civic leaders in Assam. MULTA works closely with Harkat-ul-Jihadi-Islami (HUJI-B) and is funded by Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) . HUJI-B has been added to the US and UN list of terrorist organisations. MULTA also works closely with other terrorist organisations such as the United Liberation Front of Assam (ULFA) which are all allied to Osama Bin Laden's International Islamic Front (IIF).
The network wants to create a Brihot Bangladesh or 'greater Bangladesh' by merging Muslim communities from North India into Bangladesh. Islami Chhatra Shibir (ISC), Jamaat's student wing are also believed to have been involved with this militant network and are working in tandem with the Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) to support the network. In 2002 Salim Sajid, SIMI's financial secretary was interrogated and confessed how ISC were closely working with the SIMI to plan and attack Indian interests . The groups have been meeting in West Bengal under the banner of the 'Islamic Action Force'.
 
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[mukto-mona] The World's Worst Dictators

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by Alejandro posted:02/17/2008 12:23:PM
Here is an addition to your article: 1) HUGO RAFAEL CHAVEZ FRIAS, VENEZUELA AGE: 53. IN POWER SINCE 1999 Although elected by popular vote, Chavez has managed to bring this, otherwise rich, country into extreme (and unprecedented) poverty, insecurity and corruption, while kidnapping all the powers and minimizing freedom of speech. U.S. LINK: As usual the US government is turning to the other side when dealing with Latin America issues, Venezuela is the fourth oil exporter to the US...no wonder. Note: Just the fact that Chavez is not even in your radar tells you how dangerous he is.
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