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[mukto-mona] Letter from Tihar - Parveez Ahmad

"As I have done my M. Sc (Zoology) from the University of Pune and now am seeking admission to Ph.D for which I was going to Pune. On September 12, 2006, I left home for Pune by flight (Spice Jet). Srinagar - Delhi & Delhi-Pune. On reaching Delhi, when I was approaching for Spice-Jet counter to collect my boarding pass, some seven to eight persons held me firmly and took away my luggage and whatever I had in my pockets. They took me to Lodhi Colony special cell office. where they torture and interrogated me severely. They beat me up ruthlessly and gave me electric shocks. Later, I came to know that they were from the special cell of police. Led by inspector Sharma ji"
 
Letter from Tihar
http://www.combatlaw.org/information.php?article_id=1127&issue_id=39
A Kashmiri youth, Parveez Ahmad, narrates how police turned him from a gentleman to 'bomb-man' in a letter from his confinement in Tihar Central Jail, Delhi. Combat Law is in possession of his letter. It is being reproduced here

Subj: Save my career, as I am innocent.
ith due reverence and respect, I am writing this letter with the hope that I will get justice without delay. I want your kind attention towards the real fact of my arrest, interrogation and torture, which is totally different and contradictory to that of police's statement. All the allegations and sections they have charged upon me are baseless. All the confessions I have made before them were all under compulsions and force. As I could not tolerate the torture and electric shocks. I am still frightened of that treatment. Those electric shocks are still breaking my sleep.
Being citizen of India I keep faith in Indian law and judiciary. And hope no discrimination will be done against me. Though my faith in law and being a citizen of India has scattered badly by the role of police. But still I have not left the rope of hope. To restore the faith, it is essential to give me justice, through fare trial, and save my career. To prove my innocence your goodself is requested to see my past record. Which will reveal you how clear my past and present is. Though I am concerned about the condition of J&K.
Now I want your kind attention towards the following lines which will reveal your goodself the whole story.
As I have done my M. Sc (Zoology) from the University of Pune and now am seeking admission to Ph.D for which I was going to Pune.
  • On September 12, 2006, I left home for Pune by flight (Spice Jet). Srinagar - Delhi & Delhi-Pune. On reaching Delhi, when I was approaching for Spice-Jet counter to collect my boarding pass, some seven to eight persons held me firmly and took away my luggage and whatever I had in my pockets. They took me to Lodhi Colony special cell office. where they torture and interrogated me severely. They beat me up ruthlessly and gave me electric shocks. Later, I came to know that they were from the special cell of police. Led by inspector Sharma ji.
  • On the same day they forced me to call one of my friends to give his SIM card to their contact person already in Pune.
  • ON September 13, 2006, they made my I Card with the name of Iqbal and took me to Pune by Spice-Jet flight. On reaching Pune, one police team was already there but in civil dress. I can reveal all the details, their names, where they kept me in Pune, and how they mentally tortured me.
  • On September 14, 2006 evening after receiving few calls they took me to one shop in Pune and collected some 10 lakh rupees from that shopkeeper.
  • On September 15, 2006 they took me back to Delhi, and kept me again in Lodhi Colony Special Cell lock up where they tortured me very badly and severely. I was unconscious and half dead.
  • On September 16, 2006 they took me to some unknown place and kept me there for almost one month. I was not able to walk and move as they kept me handcuffed in one room. The details of that very place and persons will be revealed in the court. What they did with me there, will also be revealed.
  • During that duration they neither informed my parents nor took me into police remand or judicial custody. Instead, they forced me to lie to my parents that I got a job in Maharashtra.
  • After one month on October 15, 2006 they took me to hospital for medical, which was just a formality, as I was already instructed not to say anything about my ailment, torture and muscular spasm. Even doctors wrote the medical report without examining me. I was shocked to see the collusion between police and doctors. I could not understand what was going on. As I was seeing that for the first time in my life.
  • On the same day October 15, 2006 in the evening they took me to a lady magistrate for taking me into police remand. That too was a joke, as I was in their custody for more than one month. Before presenting me before that magistrate they threatened me of dire consequences If I narrated the true story. I was made to narrate my story their way. The story was like this. I was coming from Mumbai by Golden Temple express to Nizamuddin. To hand over rupees 10 lakh and three Kg of RDX to some Tariq at Azadpur Mandi. But that Tariq did not come. Meanwhile police party caught hold of me. The magistrate did not ask me anything.
  • During my stay in their custody they compelled me to file so many (rail) reservation forms in my own hand writing and signature. They took away my attache bag. On asking where they were taking my bag, they told me that my final verification was being done. Soon you would be released. I got very tense and was confused, and smelled something fishy. I thought they would finish me in an encounter. So I could not sleep all those nights. If they have really sent any person to Delhi from Mumbai, then that was Ram Gopal who was looking after me in that police flat, may be a constable. That police office (Flat) is near an airport, as I could hear sounds of aeroplanes. One metro track is also nearby which I saw from one small pore of window. Through the bathroom window, I saw a public school in the neighbourhood. The name of that public school was ITL Public School, next to this police flat. In that flat the staff was changing every 24 hours. The staff comprised of Anil Tyagi, Ram Gopal, Gurmeet, Raju (Pahalwan), Mangal (Bihari), Pravesh, Pandit and others whose name I don't know but I can identify them. They kept me as an animal, handcuffed and feetcuffed tied to the iron rods of window, 24 hours. Because of which I was not able to make any free movement or walk in that very room. The only time they were releasing me when I was going to bathroom. For the whole month I could no see sun. In that very police flat there was one more person arrested (rather kidnapped) in other room. He too was forced to make calls to his relatives.
  • After staying few for days in that flat, I was made to cell my parents and saying that I was alright and got a job. One evening my parents called me up with weeping words that they heard news of my arrest, as somebody had informed them. I could not tell them that I was in police custody since the day I left home. I was forced to assure my parents that I was alright. I was happy. Also that I thanked God that atleast my parents came to know. Later police threatened me not to disclose news of my arrest before my parents and assured me of releasing before Eid. Whenever my parents were calling me I was lying to them that I was not getting travel reservation confirmed. They (my parents) were insisting on me to leave my job and come back to home. I was weeping for the whole day and night. I became very weak and lazy. Inspector Sharma ji told Anil Tyagi to provide me Quran and other books so that I would not loose my concentration. They were constantly assuring me of releasing me before Eid. But they were lying and deceiving me as well as my parents.
  • After taking me into police remand officially, they kept me at Lodhi Colony office for days. I was thinking perhaps they would release me now, as Deepawali as well as Eid were approaching after few days. But there was some thing worst to come. My career was going to be spoilt it and my image was going to change from gentleman to bombman, from student to a terrorist.
    Am I not Indian, if I am Kashmiri. Why this discrimination. When tall claims are being made by the Govt. of India, by media, that before Law all citizens are equal. Whether of Kashmir or Kerala. ...they made me a scape-goat, to get compliments from their seniors and public. And public too took me as a terrorist
  • Finally the day came when my whole career was wiped. I was mentally shocked and astonished. On October 20, 2006, when I was watching TV in Inspector Badrish Dutt's room, suddenly SI Vinay Tyagi told me that one press person was downstairs and wanted to meet me. He advised me to speak in his presence. After 10-20 minutes, suddenly everything changed altogether. Every personnel was trying to catch hold of me and come close to me. I was just confused to see what was going on. Especially, SI Vinay Tyagi and Havaldar Satish held me firmly. Suddenly they opened the gate and I was just shocked to see the mob of more then 50 photographers. They started taking my photographs and shooting me for 10-15 minutes. I understood that they have now ruined my career and life. I looked towards inspector Sharma ji. He by his gesture posed as he had arrested me and presented me before media as a hard core terrorist. Now I realised fully what actually their plan of keeping me in their custody was. They actually wanted to show me before media and tell that they have arrested a persons (terrorist) who arrived in Delhi to explode bombs on the occasion of Deepawali, which is just shame upon them. How they (police) were befooling their public. And media was helping them in propagating such fake arrests. When I could not celebrate my Eid at home, with my parents, what I have to do with the Deepawali. After those false and baseless allegations I wept like a widow. Now I realised that I no more could contact my parents. As they (police) have turned me into a don.
I am still thinking why they ruined my career
My faith in Indian democracy and law has shattered badly and I am now very disappointed in jail on the role of police. I am finding no hope, then to appeal before your goodself to provide me fare trial and give me justice. So that I can restart my normal life
  • Am I really a terrorist? When I have never ever seen how that RDX looks like.
  • Am I not an Indian, if I am a Kashmiri.
  • Why this discrimination. When tall claims are being made by the Govt. of India, by media, that before law all citizens are equal. Whether of Kashmir or Kerala.
  • Why they made me a scape-goat, to get compliments from their seniors and public. And public too took me as a terrorist. Who had arrived in Delhi on Deepawali to disrupt the celebrations? Whole of the police party and the special cell people know very well that they arrested me on September 12, 2006 at Delhi airport. Are they trying to prove that aeroplane authority were allowing to carry explosives in their flights.
My faith in Indian democracy and law has shattered badly and I am very disappointed about the role of police. I have no hope, than to appeal before your goodself to provide me fare trial and give me justice. So that I can restart my normal life with my old parents. So that my faith in law is restore.

Jail no. 01, Ward no. 01
Barrack no. 02
Tihar

PARVEEZ AHMAD
S/O. SANAULLAH RADOO
R/O. NOOR BAGH -A
SOPORE BARAMULLA
J & K
PIN - 193201.
 
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[ALOCHONA] Has anyone examined where the stories are being cooked?

Sir,
I respect your thoughts but its a fact that Bangladesh is one of the poorest countries in the world. I think, nothing is wrong if highlighting poverty and needs of poor in Bangladesh is used to attract Foreign Aid. If you think, other countries of the world have worse conditions than in Bangladesh, its fine. Nobody is saying Bangladesh is worse off than all countries of the world. Its all in your brain.
 
There are people starving in Africa. There are countries at war with themselves. There are Shiyah and Soonni killing each other in Iraq. Balochis have been killed in Pakistan and presently Taliban are at war with Pakistan Government. Nobody has said this kind of stuff about Bangladesh but its a fact that Bangladesh floods every year and then there's a Cyclon Season. USA also has a similar Tornado Season so, what?
 
Please let us know, what image of Bangladesh you want. May be Bangladeshis would try to build that.

Isha Khan <bd_mailer@yahoo.com> wrote:

Has anyone examined where the stories are being cooked?

No so long ago, for about 30 years in fact, every story about Bangladesh had Jewish refugee Kissinger racist  insulting quote. It stopped when some of us pointed out to US media that it was a deliberate insult like quoting Nazi Germans racist cliche about Jews in every report to do with Jews. And then every Bangladesh report quoted the population figures and percentage of impoverishment. In recent reports, a phenomenon started in India, they talk about a "largely destitute population"- as quoted by Barbara Elk in the Washington Post not so long ago. And then reports about global  warming has  given  Indians to  whisper  and shout that the destitute are flooding into India as India is now the new America ( except that India has half the poorest people, and amongst the most destitute, in the world!). No reporter  sees propaganda, racism or irony or cheek in the Indian fabrications. The fact remains India suffers massive and brutal internal instability, and needs to build wire barriers with her all neighbours to keep its  rebellious nationalities  under effective  control.

Bangladesh image is so bad that even nations with hardly a leg  to stand regard themselves lucky. Even Afghanistan regards Bangladesh as destitute, even though its people are at the mercy of America and Europe for every thing, including nearly free mobile phones. Afghanistan  has hardly any industry, food, hospitals or even education. Afghan life expectancy is less than 40. Bangladesh life expectancy is 64 and rising.

What of the people of Bangladesh themselves? They regard themselves- correction: every other Bangladesh person, bar themselves and their immediate family, as destitute, disaster prone, corrupt, illiterate, diseased. Unbelievably, Bangladesh writers even today give out pseudo- anthropological description of Bengali people as: "short, blackish, of Dravidian origin". We all seem to have very low opinion of ourselves and freely communicate such beliefs to foreigners. One has to ask who has planted such a seed of inferiority complex on a whole nation of 160 million.

Such is the leper-like colony image of Bangladesh that hardly anyone, in any part of the world, has any respect for our talent as lovers, artists, managers, chefs, journalists, doctors, poets, designers or workers. How did we allow this to happen to us when we have some many diplomatic missions round the world and we have a 8 million strong probash? How did it happen to a Bengali nation so seemingly proud of its 3,500 history and all the greatness it has produced in the last hundred years, in cinema, music, literature, medicine, science....?

Sri Lanka has been in a brutal bloody civil war for over 30 years, between Buddhist Sinhalese themselves- an issue largely hidden today ; and then between Hindu Tamils and Buddhist Sinhalese. Despite the extreme violence and suicide attacks (Hindus still hold the world record for the most suicide attacks) the investors have kept coming, aid has kept flowing in,... and no one has been allowed to caricature Sri Lanka or the Sinhalese as violent or anything else. In fact Sri Lankans  and their diplomats have been the most proactive in crushing every story in the international media (including stories about sexual exploitation of little boys for tourist dollars) which they dislike by actively putting out their own viewpoint and bombarding the international media with corrections or smooth talk. With the result that international media, and the BBC, ensure that civil war is reported with great care. There has been no adverse effect on the international image of the nation or the Sinhalese ethnic group. In fact the Muslim Gulf Arab even helped to found a an airline  and hotels to help tourism!

Nepal's brutal ethnic and class war has been spared adverse news coverage, especially in British dominated media, because Britain employs Gurkha mercenaries in its army.

Afghanistan is spared all the cliche in use for Bangladesh. Almost every Bangladesh  story filed by Reuters, AFP, AP carries the same insulting/ demeaning sentence/s. Remarkably, such stories are republished verbatim without any rewrite! This is the simpleminded and naive Bangladesh elite we have in control of our destiny.

India, with all the tragedies and brutalities its numerous ethnic, caste and religious groups suffer daily is the lucky country. It's the darling  of international media, including Arab run media.

Islamic Republic of Pakistan (Republic of Pakistan ended in 1971 when 3 million Bengali people were killed in retaliation for electing a Bengali leadership to run the state, long run for the Punjabi Army) has been the luckiest country of all. It is a state which exists for an Army and an ethnic group. The state has been both the installer of fanatical talibans using Saudi aid and then become an active killer of the very same Pathan talibans  by the thousands when it was politic.... It's dominant population can play the Islamics and the moderate  or even atheist depending on the who has come forward with the latest tranche of Dollars. One remarkable feature is the active manner its  advocates at home and abroad have close ties with the the military families.

Today, as on so many other occasions, the Sheikh of Qatar's Al Jazeera has been running disparaging reports on Bangladesh. Hana G?, the reporter, showed the world viewers very distressing pictures of people suffering in hospitals, Dhaka as a bleak place, repeated that Dhaka was the 2nd most polluted, that Dhaka is going to be a dead place....

One has to ask why is no one objecting to the demeaning pictures of people of Bangladesh and the place called Bangladesh in most of Sheikh of Qatar's news channel? How is it possible for a foreign news channel to just walk into a hospital or a bustee in Dhaka. How often have you seen pictures of bustees in Karachi?

I know some of my Bengali people will say to me it does not matter. Sadly it matters. And it matters even if your nation has three Nobel Prizes: Tagore, Sen, Yunus. A Gujarati or a Tamil may not have Nobel Prize winner but they will claim Sen and Tagore; and shine in the glory. What does it matter an Arab or a German can tell one Indian from another. BUT THEY ALL CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INDIA AND BANGLADESH. Get it? No!

One last point. Transparency International labeling is a libel and a lie against our nation. Bangladesh is not even the 40th poorest. And Dhaka is not the 2nd most polluted. Let's now get Bangladesh critics, academics, diplomats and media to analyse the spread of falsehood against an entire nation.

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Re: [mukto-mona] Aparthib's quantum analogy and racial discrimination.

WRT: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/47861

Subimal,

Nucleus is the core of the atom - isn't it? The term 'subatomic' includes nucleus also. That was not a slip of pen. I just assumed that it will be understood. Electrons in their atomic orbits do move with speed close to that of light. It has to move with that speed to counter-balance strong nuclear force. Electrons are quantum particles - isn't it?

What Kamal Das showed is that a particle with a mass of 1 kg cannot be a quantum particle. You cannot assume something as heavy as 1 kg to be moving with a speed close to that of light. That's a classical object. You guys are forgetting that quantum particles must follow uncertainty principle, and for that reason, they have to be light weight (~ 10-31 kg) particles. Planets are not quantum particles - trust me. Planetary motions are governed by gravitational forces. Yes, I have seen that documentary about Parallel Universes, you are referring to. I think those theories are in the infancy. As far as I know, it is not yet established.

Jiten Roy

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[ALOCHONA] Has anyone examined where the stories are being cooked?


Has anyone examined where the stories are being cooked?

No so long ago, for about 30 years in fact, every story about Bangladesh had Jewish refugee Kissinger racist  insulting quote. It stopped when some of us pointed out to US media that it was a deliberate insult like quoting Nazi Germans racist cliche about Jews in every report to do with Jews. And then every Bangladesh report quoted the population figures and percentage of impoverishment. In recent reports, a phenomenon started in India, they talk about a "largely destitute population"- as quoted by Barbara Elk in the Washington Post not so long ago. And then reports about global  warming has  given  Indians to  whisper  and shout that the destitute are flooding into India as India is now the new America ( except that India has half the poorest people, and amongst the most destitute, in the world!). No reporter  sees propaganda, racism or irony or cheek in the Indian fabrications. The fact remains India suffers massive and brutal internal instability, and needs to build wire barriers with her all neighbours to keep its  rebellious nationalities  under effective  control.

Bangladesh image is so bad that even nations with hardly a leg  to stand regard themselves lucky. Even Afghanistan regards Bangladesh as destitute, even though its people are at the mercy of America and Europe for every thing, including nearly free mobile phones. Afghanistan  has hardly any industry, food, hospitals or even education. Afghan life expectancy is less than 40. Bangladesh life expectancy is 64 and rising.

What of the people of Bangladesh themselves? They regard themselves- correction: every other Bangladesh person, bar themselves and their immediate family, as destitute, disaster prone, corrupt, illiterate, diseased. Unbelievably, Bangladesh writers even today give out pseudo- anthropological description of Bengali people as: "short, blackish, of Dravidian origin". We all seem to have very low opinion of ourselves and freely communicate such beliefs to foreigners. One has to ask who has planted such a seed of inferiority complex on a whole nation of 160 million.

Such is the leper-like colony image of Bangladesh that hardly anyone, in any part of the world, has any respect for our talent as lovers, artists, managers, chefs, journalists, doctors, poets, designers or workers. How did we allow this to happen to us when we have some many diplomatic missions round the world and we have a 8 million strong probash? How did it happen to a Bengali nation so seemingly proud of its 3,500 history and all the greatness it has produced in the last hundred years, in cinema, music, literature, medicine, science....?

Sri Lanka has been in a brutal bloody civil war for over 30 years, between Buddhist Sinhalese themselves- an issue largely hidden today ; and then between Hindu Tamils and Buddhist Sinhalese. Despite the extreme violence and suicide attacks (Hindus still hold the world record for the most suicide attacks) the investors have kept coming, aid has kept flowing in,... and no one has been allowed to caricature Sri Lanka or the Sinhalese as violent or anything else. In fact Sri Lankans  and their diplomats have been the most proactive in crushing every story in the international media (including stories about sexual exploitation of little boys for tourist dollars) which they dislike by actively putting out their own viewpoint and bombarding the international media with corrections or smooth talk. With the result that international media, and the BBC, ensure that civil war is reported with great care. There has been no adverse effect on the international image of the nation or the Sinhalese ethnic group. In fact the Muslim Gulf Arab even helped to found a an airline  and hotels to help tourism!

Nepal's brutal ethnic and class war has been spared adverse news coverage, especially in British dominated media, because Britain employs Gurkha mercenaries in its army.

Afghanistan is spared all the cliche in use for Bangladesh. Almost every Bangladesh  story filed by Reuters, AFP, AP carries the same insulting/ demeaning sentence/s. Remarkably, such stories are republished verbatim without any rewrite! This is the simpleminded and naive Bangladesh elite we have in control of our destiny.

India, with all the tragedies and brutalities its numerous ethnic, caste and religious groups suffer daily is the lucky country. It's the darling  of international media, including Arab run media.

Islamic Republic of Pakistan (Republic of Pakistan ended in 1971 when 3 million Bengali people were killed in retaliation for electing a Bengali leadership to run the state, long run for the Punjabi Army) has been the luckiest country of all. It is a state which exists for an Army and an ethnic group. The state has been both the installer of fanatical talibans using Saudi aid and then become an active killer of the very same Pathan talibans  by the thousands when it was politic.... It's dominant population can play the Islamics and the moderate  or even atheist depending on the who has come forward with the latest tranche of Dollars. One remarkable feature is the active manner its  advocates at home and abroad have close ties with the the military families.

Today, as on so many other occasions, the Sheikh of Qatar's Al Jazeera has been running disparaging reports on Bangladesh. Hana G?, the reporter, showed the world viewers very distressing pictures of people suffering in hospitals, Dhaka as a bleak place, repeated that Dhaka was the 2nd most polluted, that Dhaka is going to be a dead place....

One has to ask why is no one objecting to the demeaning pictures of people of Bangladesh and the place called Bangladesh in most of Sheikh of Qatar's news channel? How is it possible for a foreign news channel to just walk into a hospital or a bustee in Dhaka. How often have you seen pictures of bustees in Karachi?

I know some of my Bengali people will say to me it does not matter. Sadly it matters. And it matters even if your nation has three Nobel Prizes: Tagore, Sen, Yunus. A Gujarati or a Tamil may not have Nobel Prize winner but they will claim Sen and Tagore; and shine in the glory. What does it matter an Arab or a German can tell one Indian from another. BUT THEY ALL CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INDIA AND BANGLADESH. Get it? No!

One last point. Transparency International labeling is a libel and a lie against our nation. Bangladesh is not even the 40th poorest. And Dhaka is not the 2nd most polluted. Let's now get Bangladesh critics, academics, diplomats and media to analyse the spread of falsehood against an entire nation.


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Re: [mukto-mona] Aparthib's quantum analogy and racial discrimination.

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1. Kamal Das is correct in saying that an object of mass 1 kg and moving with the speed of light (in empty space) has a de Broglie wavelength of about 2.2 times 10 to the power negative 42 meter. Dr. Jiten Roy is wrong because he is using two different units of measurement in the same formula.

 

2. One thing needs to be mentioned here. Photon (carrier of electromagnetic wave) is the only particle that can move with the maximum speed of about 300,000,000 meters per second. At rest its mass is zero. 

 

N.B: We hear about speeds exceeding the above mentioned attainable maximum speed. I think it is still a debatable issue in the scientific community. Looks like theory of relativity is at risk as it assumes a maximum speed of c as amentioned above.
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The Irish Potato Famine of 1845
During the summer of 1845, a "blight of unusual character" devastated Ireland's potato crop, the basic staple in the Irish diet. A few days after potatoes were dug from the ground, they began to turn into a slimy, decaying, blackish "mass of rottenness." Expert panels convened to investigate the blight's cause suggested that it was the result of "static electricity" or the smoke that billowed from railroad locomotives or the "mortiferous vapours" rising from underground volcanoes. In fact, the cause was a fungus that had traveled from Mexico to Ireland.
"Famine fever"--cholera, dysentery, scurvy, typhus, and infestations of lice--soon spread through the Irish countryside. Observers reported seeing children crying with pain and looking "like skeletons, their features sharpened with hunger and their limbs wasted, so that there was little left but bones." Masses of bodies were buried without coffins, a few inches below the soil.
Over the next ten years, more than 750,000 Irish died and another 2 million left their homeland for Great Britain, Canada, and the United States. Within five years, the Irish population was reduced by a quarter.
The Irish potato famine was not simply a natural disaster. It was a product of social causes. Under British rule, Irish Catholics were prohibited from entering the professions or even purchasing land. Instead, many rented small plots of land from absentee British Protestant landlords. Half of all landholdings were less than 5 acres in 1845.
Irish peasants subsisted on a diet consisting largely of potatoes, since a farmer could grow triple the amount of potatoes as grain on the same plot of land. A single acre of potatoes could support a family for a year. About half of Ireland's population depended on potatoes for subsistence.
The inadequacy of relief efforts by the British Government worsened the horrors of the potato famine. Initially, England believed that the free market would end the famine. In 1846, in a victory for advocates of free trade, Britain repealed the Corn Laws, which protected domestic grain producers from foreign competition. The repeal of the Corn Laws failed to end the crisis since the Irish lacked sufficient money to purchase foreign grain.
In the spring of 1847, Britain adopted other measures to cope with the famine, setting up soup kitchens and programs of emergency work relief. But many of these programs ended when a banking crisis hit Britain. In the end, Britain relied largely on a system of work houses, which had originally been established in 1838, to cope with the famine. But these grim institutions had never been intended to deal with a crisis of such sweeping scope. Some 2.6 million Irish entered overcrowded workhouses, where more than 200,000 people died.
The Irish Potato Famine left as its legacy deep and lasting feelings of bitterness and distrust toward the British. Far from being a natural disaster, many Irish were convinced that the famine was a direct outgrowth of British colonial policies. In support of this contention, they noted that during the famine's worst years, many Anglo-Irish estates continued to export grain and livestock to England.
 

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"Follow de
Broglie's logic: wave length = h/mv, the subatomic particles have wavelength in the nanometer
range while a macroscopic particle of mass 1kg and the velocity c would have
a wave length equal to 2.2exp-42 meter range, as the velocity or the mass
grows, the particle grows more classical losing its wave properties."
Mr. Das,
Quantum particle's mass is of the order of ~ 10-31 kg, not 1 kg, you have used for your calculation. Use this mass and see what wavelength you get. Classical particles can demonstrate wave properties also, therefore, it's not the wave property alone that makes a particle to be a quantum particle. Quantum particles follow the uncertainly principle, and they can attain the speed close to that of the light. I hope this will satisfy you.

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1. With due respect to Dr. Jiten Roy I must say that by trying to suppress (not admit) one mistake, he is making more and more mistakes (see Kamal Das's post.) For now, let the cat rest with a tasty piece of fish in its mouth. The bottom line is: to qualify as a quantum object, you don't have to gain a speed close to that of light.

 

2. Electrons are subatomic particles whereas neutrons and protons are nuclear particles ( undoubtedly it was a slip of the pen on the part of Dr. Jiten Roy.)

 

3. I don't think Newtonian mechanics can explain every thing about stellar and galactic motion. I watched a documentary according to which Einstein's General Theory of Relativity predicted the existence of black holes.

 

3. I think this forum provides an opportunity to go into any depth when it comes to a general understanding of nature and human society. As long as discussions are not too technical and rigorous mathematical treatments are not brought into the scene, I hope everybody will be O.K and will enjoy as well. Dr. Roy's fear that that people may be bored with too much in-depth discussions seems to be unfounded. 

 

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Perhaps they are saying that there is more to life than wealth for
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[mukto-mona] Re: 'Holy Hate' : Real horror story from History!

WRT: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/47849

Mr. Ahmed,

Your wrote:

"There was no significant persecution,intimidation or forcible
conversion. In 1971 huge number of Hindus migrated to India along with
Muslims, those who stayed back some of them were converted to Islam
by choice to protect themselves from being killed by Pakistani
military."

How can you call these conversions "by choice" when the only choice is
between life and death? If they were give a real choice - a choice to
convert or not convert without any fear of life, would any of them
choose to convert?

My own personal experience is that all the Bangladeshi Hindus I have
talked to have spoken of either outright or sometimes subtle bigotry
they have faced.

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