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Re: [mukto-mona] Poetry and Hunger.

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Dear Mr. Akbar Hussain,
how are you?

i would suggest that your friend reads "The Rebel" by Albert Camus

a quote from the chapter "Rebellion and Art"

"... nihilist Nekrassov, a great and moving poet, nevertheless affirms that he prefers a piece of cheese to all of Pushkin".

thanks
Salman S.


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Re: [mukto-mona] Nirmalendu Gun er KabyoKamKusholota {Bangla}

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In one of his poems written in late sixties or early seventies, the poet in Nirmalendu Gooon recommends making love in the kitchen, bathroom, or even in the "poojar ghar" (temple). There is nothing wrong with that as long as both the partners have consent to such love making and the play does not create public nuisance. Love making, after all, is one of the very few most innocent pleasure giving things that a couple can get engaged in. Poets always think in terms of an ideal situations. The practical world is quite different and cannot afford to give such liberty to the intending and eager players. Professionalism, discipline, sense of responsibility, etc. are the key things here.

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[mukto-mona] Poetry and Hunger.

One of my very learned friends detests poetry as a bourgeois culture. His notion is that only hammer and sickle is the real culture because it's related to productivity and productivity is the basic need for human survival. After listening to him I remembered Kevin Costner's movie 'Water'. I never watched such a dry movie full of junk, rust and steel in my entire life. There is no doubt that human hunger surpasses all other needs but is it the only identity we carry? Karl Marx may be very famous for his Das Capital or the Communist Manifesto but we as his posterity does not know about his other traits as a human being.  I always maintained a deep interest in this man which led me to visit his grave in Highgate cemetery in England. I found a deeply materialistic man who read Friedrich Hegel well but understood him in a very limited way. Looking at the grave nestling under the tall trees I found this Proletarian revolutionary at peace with nature a perfect place to compose a poem.

 There is no doubt that hunger can't be removed by poetry but does poetry a simple pass time alone? If life orbits around food only as human beings where do we excel? Our passion, our emotion, our creativity and ingenuity is of no value? Why we have created this civilization with so much of fan fare where physical hunger does not rule? Personally I feel that our life which is a tiny particle of the eternity has proved to be a gorgeous one because we spanned ourselves far beyond the sphere of physical hunger. Our creativeness in literature, art, dancing and songs are like the colourful butterflies decorating the entire gamut of our existence. Looking at a very ordinary object with a passionate cultural interest make it a thing of beauty. As Tagore said, when I see this world through a song then I know her.

Poetry is composed of some chosen words which invokes imagination followed by passion. Our mind is always pregnant with a flood of passion and emotion which unfurls itself in poetry. The aim of poetry is not to explain things it rather pushes us to point of explosion. Our life becomes larger than then we know. A lofty world whispers that our mission is beyond our imagination.

 

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[mukto-mona] Che's ideas

 
 
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Che Guevara and the Cuban Revolution: Writings and Speeches of Ernesto Che Guevara.

by David Lethbridge

Che Guevara and the Cuhan Revolution: Writings and Speeches of Ernesto Che Guevara, edited by David Deutschmann. Sydney, Australia: Pathfinder/Pacific and Asia, 1987. 413 pp. $11.95.

Any selection of the voluminous writings of Ernesto Che Guevara is always welcome, particularly since so little has ever been published in English and what has been translated is now largely out of print. Che was many things to many people, and the diversity of his personality is reflected in the diversity of the selections in this volume. He is often remembered as a selfless, devoted revolutionary. Perhaps it is the force of his personality that is best remembered-the engaging smile, the shining eyes. Hundreds of thousands of workers and students around the world carried simple placards bearing only his portrait and the phrase "Che Lives!" after his assassination in Bolivia twenty years ago. This volume was published to mark the anniversary.

What is the relevance of Che's work to us now? Had he been simply the chronicler of the Cuban Revolution, his writing might serve a mainly inspirational value or historical purpose. Selections from The Cuhan Revolutionary War and Guerrilla Warfare are included in Deutschmann's edition, and there are important lessons to be learned from these works. But Castro, in his introductory remarks, refers to "Che's enduring contributions to revolutionary thought," and suggests that these flow neither from his personality per se, nor from his experiences as a revolutionary, but are essentially theoretical and political.

In my view, the central theoretical concern of Che's work is the development of socialist consciousness in the absence of material incentives: the production of th"new socialist man and woman." Che's writings are infused with a profound sense of thc dialectic of consciousness and material production. His work in Cuba was to produce the consciousness of socialism-the social consciousness of the individual-in the transition period between the victory of the revolution and the elaboration of a socialist society. That this transition period would be characterized by an inevitable lack of goods and money and a minimal production basis did not strike Che as a necessarily bad thing. If socialist consciousness could be built among the people in the absence of incentives, would it not flourish and blossom in the period of advanced production relations? In short, Che was taking up in practical terms the issue of the relation and primacy of social being and social consciousness.

The importance of Che's practical work in Cuba, and its theoretical reflection in these texts, is that revolutions in the Americas, in Asia, and in Africa will occur increasingly in the context of poverty. If it is true that the revolutions in the Soviet Union and in China took place under backward and largely feudal economies, they nevertheless took place in large countries with enormous potential material wealth. The revolutions of the recent past and near future were and will be revolutions in small nations with limited resources and rapidly spiralling impoverishment. Grenada, Nicaragua, and Ethiopia are key examples.

The problem, then, for the world revolutionary movement is two-fold. How is it possible for small underdeveloped countries to protect themselves from massive economic warfare in the wake of a successful revolutionary insurrection? How is it possible to build a socialist economy and an advanced production capacity on the basis of poverty? These were questions Guevara faced both in practice and theory in his years in Cuba.

Certainly Marx, in Capital, the Grundrisse, and the Resultate foresaw a far different movement toward socialism and communism. Repeatedly Marx stresses that it is the advanced and universalizing production relations of capitalism that constitute the material and concrete preconditions of a socialist economy. The social relations of private appropriation must be overthrown in favor of collective ownership. It is on this basis that the full development of human individuality-the appearance of the "new socialist man and woman"-is made possible.

Now it is certainly possible to argue that this movement that Marx describes refers to the unfolding of contradictions within capitalist societies themselves. With the emergence of powerful transitionary semi-socialist, semi-communist societies in one part of the world, one can argue, advanced production capacities can be exported to recently-liberated nations, directly instituting the material basis for the development of socialism. The obvious problem with such an argument is, however, that none of the actually existing socialist countries has the economic power to make this a real possibility, especially in the presence of economic warfare and the draining of massive amounts of the world's wealth into high-technology weapons systems. So, at least in the foreseeable future, socialist revolutions must come to grips with the problem of the construction of socialism on a highly deficient economic foundation.

The central, and largest, section of Che Guevara and the Cuban Revolution consists of a selection of articles and speeches devoted to the problems of economic war, economic development, and the construction of socialism. The context of these selections, however, whether explicit or implicit, is the development of the new socialist person.

What is the goal of socialism? In Guevara's view, "it is a liberation of man's individual capacity." (p. 127) The full development of the human personality has always been the project of communism. We can read this every where in Marx, in Lenin, in Mao, in Guevara. On the other hand, of course, Marxists have always recognized that human development is not a matter of innate potentials, "gifts" or talents, or individual self-transformation. Full human development, full human self-actualization, requires an advanced production basis. The development of the socialist personality implies access to a complex social, cultural, and material potential.

Guevara's writing, in these central selections, is an elaboration of the dialectic between the development of economic foundations and the building of socialist consciou"Socialism is a social system based on equal distribution of society's wealth. But this requires that society has wealth to distribute." (p. 162) But Cuban society immediately after the revolution had no such wealth. "Socialism takes root in a technologically developed society. It cannot exist under feudal conditions, under agrarian conditions." (p. 162) And yet thesewere precisely the conditions under which the Cuban peasantry had lived.

To develop socialism, Guevara argues, work productivity must be increased. Work develops socialist consciousness"not even social labor, community labor, collective labor, is sufficient to create that new Consciousness." (p. 162) There is no immediate path to the consciousness of the fully-developed personality of communist society. The consciousness of the working masses 'in the transition to full socialism necessarily involves a spirit of self-sacrifice, of devotion to a future which always seems only a possibility. Enthusiasm for hard productive work, long hours, and a relative lack of goods can only be produced by political education. Financial incentives-scarcely possible in an underdeveloped society no matter how revolutionaryonly serve to reinforce the old attitude to work, of work as oppression, and divide tbe people from their revolution.

For Guevara, as a theoretician, economic backwardness and, therefore, the impossibility of financial incentives for labor is, to use a phrase from Mao, "a bad thing that can become a good thing." In his 1964 article, "Planning and Consciousness in the Transition to Socialism," Che emphasizes the importance of the development of consciousness. Without denying thc "objective need for material incentives," lie maintains that the use of such incentives as a lever to promote production "takes on an existence of its own and then imposes its strength on the relations among men. It should not be forgotten that it comes from capitalism and is destined to die under socialism." (p. 213) But how to make it "die"? In Che's view, "direct material incentives and consciousness are contradictory terms," and it is necessary to struggle against the dominance of material incentives since to do otherwise would delay the emergence of "socialist morality."

The body of the 1964 article-perbaps the most important in the collection-is a discussion of the relative merits of two types of accounting and management systems possible in the transition to a full socialist economy: that of the Soviet system and that then being developed in Cuba. Guevara argues that the Soviet management system is inadequate to the development of full socialism since it retains and even develops certain capitalist categories such as commodity production, the market, money, and the "lever of material interest." Guevara proposes instead that such tendencies within the economy be eliminated as soon and as vigorously as possible since they only promote an individualistic consciousness and retard the emergence of socialist relations. Guevara suggests that maintaining and developing these seemingly capitalist categories within a transitional economy is a particular form of the dominance of the law of value. Indeed he considers it to be in direct contradiction to central planning, which "Is the mode of existence of socialist society, its defining characteristic, and the point at which man's consciousness finally succeeds in synthesizing and directing the economy toward its goal: the full liberation of the human being within the framework of communist society." (p. 240)

This is hardly thc place to analyze the value of Che's argument or to take sides in the dispute on management technique. It must be said, however, that Che does not oppose the production of material goods or even the occasional and conscious use of material incentives by the state. His claim that "socialist duty" and general, technical, and political education are the primary levers for increased social production suggests the primacy of the development of consciousness over the development of material production, particularly under conditions of transition from a pre-revolutionary underdeveloped economy.

To the extent, then, that socialist revolutions are likely in the short run to occur with increasing frequency in the midst of a declining global economy and within the context of increased immiseration and virtual starvation within many nations, Guevara's essays on the dialectics of economic production and the production of consciousness constitute rich materials for elaboration and application. It cannot be said that his work has in any sense solved these problems. Cuba's prerevolutionary economy was not, for example, anywhere near as underdeveloped as that of Ethiopia, The global economy today, as Castro has made clear, is far worse than it was in the 1950s and 1960s. The contemporary problem of the relation between production and consciousness is not the same as when he wrote.

The Cuban Revolution has succeeded. The hope for success in future revolutions fighting both poverty and the economic warfare generated by capitalist imperialism lies certainly in the development of socialist consciousness and solidarity, but these will be worked out, as always, under their own specific conditions, Che's enduring contribution was that he foresaw thc problems of the revolutions of the future and began to open up the road to victory, both practically and theoretically (Monthly Review , Oct, 1988 )

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Re: [mukto-mona] Science and Religion: Reality vs. Emotion!

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SC Said:
 
"Pretty interesting observations. Can we conclude that ancient or old religions are not too narrow, too shallow, and too naive? What is an example of a contemporary religion, any way?
 Is the kingdom of God a real thing, an idea or simply a concept? What "scientific process" (suggested by Dr. Roy) is required to reach there? Was any "promulgator" required to let us know about the existence (physical or conceptual) of such a Kingdom? If not, how has (can) it been (be) discovered or invented?"  
 
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Contemporary religions are the organized religions, introduced by human beings, run by human beings.
 
The kingdom of God is the happiest place on earth. Therefore, when we are happy, we are about to reach that kingdom. Unfortunately, our happiness is always momentary. As a result, our journey to that kingdom never last too long. The longest journey, we took, through that kingdom was during our early childhood. As we grew up, we drifted further and further from that kingdom. Now, the question is how can we remain in that (childhood) state forever?
 
In order find an answer, we have to ask ourselves why are we unhappy? We are mostly unhappy in our lives because of our surrounding circumstances, many of which are our own creation while others are beyond our control. We are unhappy because of our unlimited wants, which we cannot mitigate with our limited resources. I am sure in my assertion that, our ancestors were happier than us. People who live in the forest are probably much more happier than us. In the ancient times, Sages used to live in the jungle; meditate throughout the day and night; did not have wants, and lived happily ever after. Therefore, prosperity is not the source of happiness. If I look back at my own life, I can see that I used to make my own toys, out of bamboo or wood. Very rarely my parents would buy fancy toys. But, I was so much contented with my life at my early childhood which I can only compare with the havenly happiness. As you can see, no promulgator is needed to
reach the kingdom of God. The Psycho-social research  experiments can be carried out to verify my hypothesis.
 
SC Said: "You have God, but no religion! Doesn't it sound like an oxymoron?"
 
Reply: 
There can be only one God (if there is any), not three or four. Now, if there is only one God, why we have so many different religions? Do you think, God will tell different things to different promulgators? The answer is NO. Therefore, religions are not about God; it's always about promulgators. We have to understand this basic point. Therefore, you can have God, even without a religion. God is like your parents. If you say that you hate them,  they still love you. Similarly, if you say that God does not exist, He still loves you. You can reach the kingdom of God, even if you are an Atheist.
 
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Jaipur blasts : Terrorism of All kinds must Be Suppressed

News agencies have reported that the historic Indian city of Jaipur usually draws millions of domestic and foreign tourists but is reeling after serial blasts tore through crowded markets, killing at least 63 people. The capital of the desert state of Rajasthan, Jaipur has been dubbed the "Pink City" and stands out in India for its rectangular layout and unusual blend of royalty, romance and old world charm, all sitting aside creeping modernity.But the mood was sombre yesterday, as police detained one suspect over Tuesday's attacks and schools and government offices closed in a day of mourning across Rajasthan.Meanwhile, state's Chief Minister Vasundhara Raje told a press conference yesterday that a total of 63 people died in eight bomb blasts late The chief minister said 216 people were injured in the blasts, many of them women and children.Prime Minister Manmohan Singh announced compensation of about 2,400 US dollars to the next of kin of each of the dead. Jai Singh followed ancient Hindu architectural tradition, but in 1876 Maharaja Ram Singh ordered the walled city coloured with pink stucco to greet the Prince of Wales.Jaipur is Hindu-dominated but also has a sizeable Muslim population. It has reported communal clashes in the past, but Tuesday night's deadly blasts were the first to hit it. However, a number of major Indian cities, from Mumbai to Delhi and Hyderabad, have repeatedly been bombed by militants.

We are grieved at the loss of life in Jaipur. We express our sympathy for the bereaved families and people of Jaipur.Whoever has carried of this carnage is enemy of humanity, of all religion and peace.Terrorism has become a big problem for humanity.We have to solve this problem and we have to find out the deeper causes of terrorism, particularly why it has increased in last forty years or so.


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[ALOCHONA] Solving the food crisis - By Muhammad Yunus

 

Solving the food crisis

Muhammad Yunus

May 16, 2008 6:00 PM

The Guardian

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/muhammad_yunus/2008/05/solving_the_food_crisis.html

 

A comprehensive global plan is needed to tackle the high cost of food that threatens the lives of the world's poorest and most vulnerable people

 

The global food crisis is a dire reality for millions of the world's poor and a major test for the international community. Sustained, generous, wise leadership and broad-based cooperation is required to overcome the crisis and save lives.

 

Rising food prices have created tremendous pressure in the lives of poor people, for whom basic food can consume as much as two-thirds of their income.

 

There are many causes of these increasing pressures - oil that costs $120 a barrel; droughts in important producing regions; the increased use of corn for ethanol and soy oil for biodiesel; speculation in commodities markets; and ironically, increased prosperity in large countries such as China, India, Indonesia, and Bangladesh, which make up nearly half the world's population. Continually rising food prices are making it more difficult to feed the poorest of the poor worldwide and will reduce the prospect of achieving many of the Millennium Development Goals, unless immediate action is taken.

 

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon deserves credit for convening the leaders of 27 UN agencies and programs to organize a coordinated response. They have agreed to establish a high-level task force under Ban's leadership, with sound immediate objectives.

 

A comprehensive global plan should include the following six elements:

 

First, the international community must rapidly mobilize at least $755m, identified by the World Food Programme and UN leaders as necessary for emergency food relief. The Secretary-General might want to mobilize two or three global leaders as special envoys to help the UN find these funds.

 

Second, we must ensure that farmers are equipped to produce the next harvest. Farmers in many areas cannot afford seeds to plant or natural gas-based fertilizer, whose price has risen along with the price of oil. The International Fund for Agricultural Development is delivering $200m to poor farmers in the most affected countries to boost food production. The Food and Agriculture Organization needs an additional $1.7bn to help provide seed and fertilizer. The World Bank is doubling its lending for agriculture in Africa over the next year to $800m and is considering a new rapid financing facility for grant support to especially fragile, poor countries and quicker, more flexible financing for others.

 

Relative to the size and gravity of the crisis, these sums are very modest and affordable for the international community. In the US alone, high prices have been a boon to farmers and have saved the government billions in crop support payments. The world should respond promptly and generously to help those struggling to survive what the UN calls a "silent tsunami."

 

Third, beyond these immediate actions, new policies are needed to address the underlying causes of the crisis. Crop subsidies and export controls in many important countries are distorting markets and raising prices; they should be eliminated. In particular, subsidies for ethanol that made sense when oil cost $20 a barrel cannot be justified at $120 a barrel - nor can subsidies for oil. They should be phased out together when the price of oil is above a certain level.

 

Fourth, the current crisis should not deter the world's search for long-term global solutions to poverty and environmental protection. For example, we should continue efforts to move to second-generation fuels made from waste materials and non-food crops without displacing land used food production. Even the limited amount of biofuels on the market today have been credited with reducing the price of oil, and next-generation fuels can be economically advantageous for poor countries with much less effect on food production. As bad as the impact of high food prices has been, the impact of high oil prices has been worse - devastating poor countries that have no indigenous source of supply, erasing all the benefits of international debt relief and more.

 

Fifth, the world must develop a new system of long-term investments in agriculture.

A new "green revolution" is required to meet the global demands, even as climate change is increasing the stresses on agriculture. More productive crops are needed, but also ones that are drought-resistant and salt-tolerant. The Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research must be strengthened to help lead these efforts.

 

Sixth, to help fund these important initiatives, I propose that each oil-exporting country create a "poverty and agriculture fund", contributing a fixed amount - perhaps 10% - of the price of every barrel of oil exported. This would be a small fraction of the windfall they have been gaining from higher prices. The funds would be managed by the founding nations and devoted to overcoming poverty, improving agricultural yields, supporting research for new technology, and creating social businesses to help solve the problems of the poor, such as health care, education and women's empowerment.

 

Just as the US should return a portion of its windfall from grain exports through increased support of food aid, so too should oil-exporting countries contribute a portion of the greatest wealth transfer the world has ever known to help feed the poor.

 

Thankfully, the Secretary-General and other international leaders are focusing attention on today's crisis, and the world should respond quickly to these calls. But the pressures of a growing and more prosperous population will not go away - demand for food and energy will grow, and the poor will suffer most. The need for long-term investment in agriculture and food aid will grow as well.

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[mukto-mona] Solving the food crisis - By Muhammad Yunus

 

Solving the food crisis

Muhammad Yunus

May 16, 2008 6:00 PM

The Guardian

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/muhammad_yunus/2008/05/solving_the_food_crisis.html

 

A comprehensive global plan is needed to tackle the high cost of food that threatens the lives of the world's poorest and most vulnerable people

 

The global food crisis is a dire reality for millions of the world's poor and a major test for the international community. Sustained, generous, wise leadership and broad-based cooperation is required to overcome the crisis and save lives.

 

Rising food prices have created tremendous pressure in the lives of poor people, for whom basic food can consume as much as two-thirds of their income.

 

There are many causes of these increasing pressures - oil that costs $120 a barrel; droughts in important producing regions; the increased use of corn for ethanol and soy oil for biodiesel; speculation in commodities markets; and ironically, increased prosperity in large countries such as China, India, Indonesia, and Bangladesh, which make up nearly half the world's population. Continually rising food prices are making it more difficult to feed the poorest of the poor worldwide and will reduce the prospect of achieving many of the Millennium Development Goals, unless immediate action is taken.

 

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon deserves credit for convening the leaders of 27 UN agencies and programs to organize a coordinated response. They have agreed to establish a high-level task force under Ban's leadership, with sound immediate objectives.

 

A comprehensive global plan should include the following six elements:

 

First, the international community must rapidly mobilize at least $755m, identified by the World Food Programme and UN leaders as necessary for emergency food relief. The Secretary-General might want to mobilize two or three global leaders as special envoys to help the UN find these funds.

 

Second, we must ensure that farmers are equipped to produce the next harvest. Farmers in many areas cannot afford seeds to plant or natural gas-based fertilizer, whose price has risen along with the price of oil. The International Fund for Agricultural Development is delivering $200m to poor farmers in the most affected countries to boost food production. The Food and Agriculture Organization needs an additional $1.7bn to help provide seed and fertilizer. The World Bank is doubling its lending for agriculture in Africa over the next year to $800m and is considering a new rapid financing facility for grant support to especially fragile, poor countries and quicker, more flexible financing for others.

 

Relative to the size and gravity of the crisis, these sums are very modest and affordable for the international community. In the US alone, high prices have been a boon to farmers and have saved the government billions in crop support payments. The world should respond promptly and generously to help those struggling to survive what the UN calls a "silent tsunami."

 

Third, beyond these immediate actions, new policies are needed to address the underlying causes of the crisis. Crop subsidies and export controls in many important countries are distorting markets and raising prices; they should be eliminated. In particular, subsidies for ethanol that made sense when oil cost $20 a barrel cannot be justified at $120 a barrel - nor can subsidies for oil. They should be phased out together when the price of oil is above a certain level.

 

Fourth, the current crisis should not deter the world's search for long-term global solutions to poverty and environmental protection. For example, we should continue efforts to move to second-generation fuels made from waste materials and non-food crops without displacing land used food production. Even the limited amount of biofuels on the market today have been credited with reducing the price of oil, and next-generation fuels can be economically advantageous for poor countries with much less effect on food production. As bad as the impact of high food prices has been, the impact of high oil prices has been worse - devastating poor countries that have no indigenous source of supply, erasing all the benefits of international debt relief and more.

 

Fifth, the world must develop a new system of long-term investments in agriculture.

A new "green revolution" is required to meet the global demands, even as climate change is increasing the stresses on agriculture. More productive crops are needed, but also ones that are drought-resistant and salt-tolerant. The Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research must be strengthened to help lead these efforts.

 

Sixth, to help fund these important initiatives, I propose that each oil-exporting country create a "poverty and agriculture fund", contributing a fixed amount - perhaps 10% - of the price of every barrel of oil exported. This would be a small fraction of the windfall they have been gaining from higher prices. The funds would be managed by the founding nations and devoted to overcoming poverty, improving agricultural yields, supporting research for new technology, and creating social businesses to help solve the problems of the poor, such as health care, education and women's empowerment.

 

Just as the US should return a portion of its windfall from grain exports through increased support of food aid, so too should oil-exporting countries contribute a portion of the greatest wealth transfer the world has ever known to help feed the poor.

 

Thankfully, the Secretary-General and other international leaders are focusing attention on today's crisis, and the world should respond quickly to these calls. But the pressures of a growing and more prosperous population will not go away - demand for food and energy will grow, and the poor will suffer most. The need for long-term investment in agriculture and food aid will grow as well.

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[mukto-mona] Hindu Honor Killing in India

http://www.gulfnews.com/world/India/10213745.html

Smug about the 'death penalty'
Reuters
Published: May 16, 2008, 23:39

Balla: Five armed men burst into the small room and courtyard at
dawn, just as 21-year-old Sunita, 22 weeks pregnant, was drying her
face on a towel.

They punched and kicked her stomach as she called out for her
sleeping boyfriend "Jassa", 22-year-old Jasbir Singh, witnesses said.
When he woke, both were dragged into waiting cars, driven away and
strangled.

Their bodies, half-stripped, were laid out on the dirt outside
Sunita's father's house for all to see, a sign that the
family's "honour" had been restored by her cold-blooded murder.

A week later, the village of Balla, just a couple of hours drive from
New Delhi, stands united behind the act, proud, defiant almost to a
man.


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Among the Jat caste of the conservative northern state of Haryana, it
is taboo for a man and woman of the same village to marry. Although
the couple were not related, they were seen in this deeply
traditional society as brother and sister.

"From society's point of view, this is a very good thing," said 62-
year-old farmer Balwan Arya, sitting smoking a hookah in the shade of
a tree in a square with other elders from the village council or
panchayat. "We have removed the blot."

Growing economic opportunities for young people and lower castes in
Haryana have made "love marriages" more common, experts say, and the
violent repression of them has risen in tandem as upper caste Jat men
fight to hold on to power, status and property.

Father's confession

Sunita's father Om Prakash has confessed to murdering his pregnant
daughter and her boyfriend, police said. An uncle and two cousins
were among four others arrested.

But in Balla many people believe the father confessed merely to
underline that he supported his daughter's killing, to satisfy honour
and protect the real culprits among his family or village.

At their house, Sunita's mother did not emerge to talk. Instead, a
young man on a motorbike tried to intimidate those who dared get
closer. It turned out he was another of Sunita's cousins, his father
and brother held by police.

"We are not ashamed of it, absolutely not, we have the honour of
doing the village proud," he said.

"We would not have had a face to show if we had not done this. It was
the act of 'real men'."

The relatively prosperous state of Haryana is one of the most
conservative when it comes to caste, marriage and the role of women.
The social system is deeply patriarchal, caste purity is paramount
and marriages are arranged to sustain the status quo.

Men and women are still victimised in rural areas of northern India
for daring to marry outside their caste, but in Haryana the practice
is widespread, and widely supported.

Here, women veil their faces with scarves in public. The illegal
abortion of female foetuses is common and the sex ratio stands at
just 861, the lowest in the country.

Anyone who transgresses social codes, by marrying across caste
boundaries or within the same village, is liable to meet the same
fate as Sunita and Jasbir. Many such murders are never reported,
hardly any result in prosecution, says Professor Javeed Alam,
chairman of the Indian Council of Social Science Research.

"People from the same village are treated as siblings in Haryana," he
said. "So this is treated as incest."

Nor do politicians ever renounce the practice, Alam added, because if
they did, "they would not win elections".

And the legalisation of property rights for women in 1956 made love
marriages within a village even more dangerous for this elite, as
daughters living close to home could in theory claim a part of the
family land, sociologist Prem Chowdhry says.

Sunita and Jasbir, sweethearts in the same class at school, had
little chance. When he left school a couple of years before her to
become a photographer's apprentice, he would often hang around at the
school gates to collect her. She was married off to another man, but
left her husband to elope with Jasbir a year-and-a-half ago, and
while the families tried to keep them apart, they realised it was a
losing battle.

"They were madly in love even to the last day," said Jasbir's 16-year-
old sister-in-law Lalita, standing in the house where they lived in
Machhroli village, around 35km by road from Balla.

To make matters worse, Jasbir was from a lower sub-caste, and Sunita
was pregnant outside marriage. Sunita's parents in Balla found
themselves virtually ostracised.

"Nobody would drink water in our house," Sunita's mother Roshni is
reported to have said.

"My daughter's action made us aliens in our own land. But we have
managed to redeem our honour. She paid for her ill-gotten action."

Grief mixed with fear

But among Jasbir's family, split between Machhroli and Balla, grief
is mixed with fear.

"Why are you talking to the media," shouted a female family member at
one point. "This will only bring more trouble."

At the small police post in Balla, a constable admitted the case was
unlikely to ever reach prosecution, with the village putting enormous
pressure on the police, and especially Jasbir's family, to quietly
drop the case.

"We are being pressurised into reaching an agreement, a compromise,
without even being given time to grieve," said Jasbir's 25-year-old
sister Neelam. "We have been told that if we don't compromise, we
will suffer the same fate."

In the narrow alleyway outside their tiny house, women wailed in
grief. A few hundred yards away, the panchayat sat in quiet self-
satisfaction.

"The people who have done this should get an award for it," said 48-
year-old Satvir Singh. "This was a murder of morality."

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Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Hasina says harassers will bow to her someday

 

 

Dear Mr. Mohammad Musa Sarkar

 

Thanks for your nice, logical reply and some interesting links.

 

But - those 'trademarked "Jamat - RAZAKAR - Al-Badar"s or off springs or relatives or (overt & covert) followers or supporters of "Jamat - RAZAKAR - Al-Badar"s (most of them are parasite or in disguise & their actual strength is between 5 % to 12% and it is decling also) will never agree or realise or accept or will rectify (with a very very few exception,1 in 1000).

 

 

Here are some statistics:

 

Year

1991

1996

2001

(Highly rigged & controversial)

 

Vote got

NDF

Vote got

NDF

Vote got

Symbol: Party:

 

 

 

 

 

Boat - Awami League

33.73%

5

37.46%

2

40.13%

 

 

 

 

 

 

Balance Scale: Jamat

12.04%

104

8.59%

225

4.28%

*NDF: Number of seats, where deposit were forfeited (JAMANOT BAJEAFTO)

Ref: Election commission of Bangladesh          

Though their actual strength (proven) is very poor, but their "CHAPA" is very strong!

 

See how many bloggers of "Jamat - RAZAKAR - Al-Badar" minded are in these blogs (Dahuk, notun_banglade, Sonar Bangla etc etc).,, how many dailies they have (Songram, Noyadigonta etc).

 

Now a day they are very strong financially too. (in comparison to Paki period and early periods of Bangladesh (1947 to 1975).

 

But one optimistic thing is that,                    

"Jamaat - Shibir - Razakar - Al-Badar - Paki - Muslim League will continue to be hated, criticized, damned as it was done in past and will be treated same at now and also be treated same in future, for hundreds and hundreds of years to come!

Bangalee & Bangladesh will fight the same fight they fought in 1971 to get rid of these Jamat-Razakar-Muslim League-Paki supporter and their cronies. "

 

 --
"Sustha thakon, nirapade thakon ebong valo thakon"

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On 5/13/08, musasarkar <m_musa92870@yahoo.com> wrote:

Mr. Omar,

There are some that always have been shouting about Al Badr.  If we cannot see it or hear it, that's our problem.  And good attempt to deceive us - lumping Al Badr with other pro-Islamic elements.  I think the pro-Islamic elements that didn't aid the Pakistani army with murders and rapes would really appreciate that.  I don't blame you much - Jamaat/Shibir, the war criminal oganization of Bangladesh have been trying hard to blend with the other Islamic forces and push some of their agenda hiding behind them for a long time.

Based on your twisted logic, since we all know about the corruption of AL-BNP-JP, we (people + govt.) should be busy with and talk about only one  matter...how to punish...AL + BNP and other corrupt people, with no morality and backbone.  And you also said, "we all know ...what jamaat + al badr...did to us...and the atrocities committed by the anti-liberation forces."  Don't you think we should also be a little bit busy (even 5%) with punishing some of these greatest criminals of human history (since "we all know" what they did not long before 72-75)? Having beard and outward sunnah lebas are not signs of morality and backbone, in many cases thay are the signs of hypocrisies and outright falsehood.  No matter how many ways you try to protect/save/defend them, the vicious murderers and rapists of 1971 cannot get away with that type of deception.  I think we all understand that the other parties don't deceive people misusing/abusing our religion Islam as much.

More than 95% of the people are aligned with parties other than Jamaate Islami.  The garbage that your scholarships will produce will only serve less than 5% of the populace, i.e., mainly the war criminals and their supporters.  Good luck with your junk research though.  I have seen some professors in USA too, who produce nothing but trash every year.  Their work end up in land fills.

I like to end with the following links:

http://www.ittefaq.com/content/2008/05/13/news0532.htm

http://www.jugantor.com/online/print.php?id=5068&sys=1

 - Mohammad Musa Sarkar

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, maqsud omaba <maqsudo@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Alochok Ezajur
>
>
> many thanks...for ur excellent...humourous letter.
> i was in a hurry...when i replied to u.
>
> i was lucky/unlucky...to know sk. family....and few AL leaders closely.... very closely.
>
> I lived within 500 m...of sk. family...for many years.!!
>
> i have spent days and years....in many different situations. .with kamal + jamal....personally...i have sweet memories of them.
>
> But not POLITICALLY.
>
> we dont have the guts ....to ask ourselves...why suddenly..AL + other big thieves...are shouting about Al-badr.. and other Pro-islamic elements.
>
> we all know ...what jamaat + al badr...did to us...we dont need lectures from corrupt AL + BNP elements...to re-discover atrocities..committed by
> anti-liberation forces.
>
> Why we should talk about other matters...when people + govt. are busy to punish...AL + BNP and other corrupt people, with no morality and backbone.
>
> For the last few years, i have been planning to offer scholarships...at least 2...for masters students...to research...who hyave done more harm to Bdesh...AL + BNP + ershad....or Jamaat.I hope i will be able to acieve that in the future.
>
> Thanks again...for shrudding my rude comment...in a matured way.
>
> Khoda hafez.
>
> dr. maqsud omar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ======================================
>
>
>
>
> > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > From: ezajur.rahman@...


> > Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 09:26:56 +0000
> > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Hasina says harassers will bow to her someday
> >
> > Dear Zaheed
> >
> > Many thanks!
> >
> > I had no intention of crossing swords with Dr Maqsud Omar because, as
> > you realised, I actually agree with him.
> > It's just that he didn't see the point I was making. That's okay –
> > I'm a hot head too at times : )
> > But in this new era it is the cool, measured and calculated assault
> > that is required. We must all raise our game.
> >
> > It may be worth holding a seminar in Dhaka on the subject of sarcasm.
> > Could be quite well attended and quite profitable : )
> >
> > Actually, though I was being sarcastic, I was trying to make a
> > serious point.
> > The point is – people are very selective about the truth. Its why AL
> > never talks about that era, 72 to 75.
> > Apart from the usual talk of developing countries – `nevermind the
> > corruption, at least we built 6 roads'
> >
> > Just imagine where AL, and the nation, would be if Jamal and Kamal
> > were around today….
> > I got such a shiver going down my spine thinking about it that I just
> > caught a cold : )
> >
> > Have a nice day Zaheed.
> >
> > You too Dr Omar Maqsud (calling me a moron made me rather fond of you!)
> >
> > : )
> >
> > Ezajur Rahman
> > Kuwait
> >
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Zaheed mahmood" z-mahmood@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > It seems unconditional diehard nature of political partisans
> > blindfolds
> > > people's natural instinct for sarcasm. Recent sarcastic write-up
> > from Farida
> > > Majid and Ejajur Rahman were misinterpreted by a few! Lets give it
> > a thought
> > > for a sec or 2 before jumping on to conclusions especially when we
> > were
> > > bringing any seemingly controversial write-up to swords.
> > >
> > > Zaheed
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "ezajur" ezajur.rahman@
> > > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 9:58 PM
> > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Hasina says harassers will bow to her
> > someday
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dear Dr Maqsud Omar
> > > >
> > > > Sorry but I don't understand your point.
> > > >
> > > > Please explain what I said wrong about Jamal and Kamal.
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks
> > > >
> > > > Ezajur Rahman
> > > > Kuwait
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, maqsud omaba <maqsudo@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > RE: mr. ejaj
> > > > >
> > > > > what u wrote about kamal + jamal...!!!
> > > > > can u please tell us ...what type of ganja u use these days?
> > > > >
> > > > > do u know anything ...about our history...from 1972 to 1975?
> > > > >
> > > > > what quality of leadership AL had provided in the past.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is time to wake up...for morons like you.
> > > > >
> > > > > dr. maqsud omar
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > From: ezajur.rahman@
> > > > > > Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:22:16 +0000
> > > > > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Hasina says harassers will bow to her
> > > > someday
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Alochok Raihan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Murder is never really a solution. If Mujib's family had not
> > been
> > > > so
> > > > > > cruelly murdered we would today have been blessed with the
> > > > presence
> > > > > > of Mujib's sons Kamal and Jamal. Given what we know of Awami
> > > > League's
> > > > > > meritocracy we can rest assured that the these fine young men
> > > > would
> > > > > > have lead the party and the nation to certain peace and
> > > > prosperity.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Murder is for the uncivilised. We should respect Hasina's
> > basic
> > > > > > rights and remember that, as the daughter of our beloved
> > > > Bangabondhu,
> > > > > > she is the rightful PM of Bangladesh.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is what Sheikh Mujib would have wanted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best wishes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ezajur Rahman
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Raihan Ahmed <fighter_1971@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > you wrote "Thats why we need to make sure she never comes
> > back
> > > > to
> > > > > > hunt Bangladesh
> > > > > > > again." how would we do that physically? by killing her-the
> > way
> > > > her
> > > > > > father was killed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > worldbznews <worldbznews@> wrote: Thats why we
> > need to
> > > > > > make sure she never comes back to hunt Bangladesh
> > > > > > > again. She is the worse in the political area and comments
> > like
> > > > that
> > > > > > > basically says how she operates as well. By means of
> > corruption,
> > > > > > > force, nepotism, coercing just to name a few. The government
> > > > should
> > > > > > > put her in Trial for Treason. She does not fight for people
> > but
> > > > > > > herself and her party.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Faruque Alamgir
> > > > <faruquealamgir@>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Does the statement of hasina not falls under threat to the
> > > > rule of
> > > > > > > Law ?????
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What the prudent and erudite legal experts say ???????? OR
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It is freedom only for hasina an under trial accused in
> > abuse
> > > > of
> > > > > > > power and graft case like khaleda and her sons and
> > associates.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let her be declared innocents first by the Honourable
> > court
> > > > > > > (ofcourse whether hasina and her leaned counsel have any
> > > > respect for
> > > > > > > the court of justice or not ????????????) then she can show
> > her
> > > > red
> > > > > > > eyes as she always showed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In plain Bangla it can be equalled to "Pogoley ki na boley
> > > > > > > ....................
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Faruque Alamgir
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ezajur Rahman <ezajur.rahman@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hasina says people harassing her must go to her some day
> > > > > > > > Courtesy New Age 7/5/08
> > > > > > > > The detained Awami League president Sheikh Hasina on
> > Tuesday
> > > > > > > said the people who were harassing her would need to go to
> > her
> > > > some
> > > > > > day.
> > > > > > > > Hasina, also a former prime minister, gave the warning as
> > she
> > > > > > > talked with her lawyers and relations in a makeshift
> > courtroom
> > > > on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > Jatiya Sangsad complex after appearing in the special
> > judge's
> > > > court
> > > > > > > for the hearing in the framing of charges in the barge-
> > mounted
> > > > power
> > > > > > > plant corruption case.
> > > > > > > > `The people who are now harassing me must keep in mind
> > that I
> > > > am
> > > > > > > daughter of Bangabandhu and they will need to come to me
> > some
> > > > day,'
> > > > > > > she was quoted by one of her counsels as saying.
> > > > > > > > Sticking to her guns, Hasina reaffirmed her determination
> > to
> > > > > > > contest the next parliamentary elections defying any
> > `pressure'
> > > > or
> > > > > > > `conspiracy' by any quarters.
> > > > > > > > `As the Almighty Allah is with me and so are the people, I
> > > > cannot
> > > > > > > disregard people's unflinching confidence in me. I must
> > contest
> > > > the
> > > > > > > elections. I hope people will elect me again to serve the
> > > > country,'
> > > > > > > she was quoted as saying by a lawyer.
> > > > > > > > Hasina apprehended that she would not get justice under
> > the
> > > > > > > present authorities, but said, `I will not bow to anybody
> > under
> > > > any
> > > > > > > pressure.'
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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