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Re: [mukto-mona] Christian Fundamentalism, the Global Crusade and Muslims

WRT: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/48724

Dear Dr. Jiten Roy,

You are ignoring the following points mentioned in the said Yogi article:

1. According to newspaper reports more than a third of Americans are associated with one or the other Christian fundamentalist outfit, most of which are fiercelyanti-communist, anti-Muslim and are passionate advocates of free-market capitalism, global American hegemony and the myth of the civilizing mission of white America. (33% of a country's population behind this doesn't make it worth noticing?!)

2. Texas-based author and preacher Michael Evans is one of the most
notorious American Christian fundamentalist preachers today, a
passionate advocate of war in the name of Christ. .....The jacket of the book describes him as a 'TIME magazine best-selling author', who has appeared on the BBC and on American television channels and who has written for such
papers as the Wall Street Journal and the Jerusalem Post. He hobnobs
with the highest of American and Israeli politicians and religious
leaders, and is evidently taken very seriously in Christian fundamentalist circles. Evans is also a passionate Bush-backer. (Again, the political and media attention this man & the movement getting, is enormous!)

3. A fierce Christian Zionist, Evans has close links with the Israeli
establishment. The book's jacket states that he received the
'Ambassador Award' from the government of Israel and relates that he
has been 'a confidante to most of Israel 's prime ministers and to both
of Jerusalem 's mayors'. (Imperial US-Israel relation is already disasterous to the world, and this man & Christian Zionism adding oil to the burning fire)

with regards

Abhiyya


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[ALOCHONA] Cabinet Okays Ordinance :MPs lose power over upazilas

Cabinet Okays Ordinance :MPs lose power over upazilas
 
The cabinet approved the Upazila Ordinance yesterday, giving full decision-making and implementation powers to upazila parishads while stripping members of the parliament (MP) of any role in local governance.

The approval comes as the chief adviser meets around 300 former upazila parishad chairmen and members in the International Conference Centre today to discuss the upcoming local and general elections.

The Upazila Ordinance 2008 also empowers the Election Commission (EC) with the authority to hold upazila elections.

In line with other electoral reforms brought by the current government, the new Upazila Ordinance will bar individuals legally proven to be war criminals, persons with records of loan defaults within a period of a year prior to nominations, full-time and part-time government employees, convicted felons, and fugitives from contesting in the elections.

The ordinance was given the final approval by the cabinet in its weekly meeting yesterday afternoon.

The law will become effective after the president promulgates it, repealing the Upazila Parishad Act 1998 (UPA).

Upazila parishads from now on will be led by one chair and two vice-chairs, while one of the seats of vice-chairs will be reserved for women.

The parishads' mandate will include administrative and establishment matters, social welfare, planning, designing and implementation of local economic and social policies.

Under the new law, upazila chairmen will not have to consult MPs, which is compulsory under UPA 1998,

UPA 1998 allows MPs to interfere in local government decision-making, giving them the chance to weigh in on decisions regarding lucrative infrastructure contracts.

The new ordinance, about to be promulgated, also re-empowers the EC with the authority to announce upazila election schedules, which was earlier taken away from it and given to the central government.

The EC in its electoral roadmap announced on July 15 last year declared that the long due polls to the upazila parishads will be held between November and December this year.

A number of advisers to the caretaker government recently said polls to the upazila parishads should be held simultaneously with the parliamentary election, which is scheduled for December of this year.

The last Awami League (AL) government passed the Upazila Parishad Act empowering the EC to announce schedules for upazila elections.

However, amid a volatile political situation, the then EC could not hold the polls and later the same government amended the law and took away the authority from the EC.

Section 25 of the current law empowers lawmakers to become advisers to upazila parishads which are bound to accept their suggestions.

Once the new law is promulgated, lawmakers will have no power over upazila parishads and the EC will have the power to announce schedules for upazila polls through discussions with the central government, instead of taking approval from it.

The first election to upazila parishads was held in 1985 after its introduction in the local government system during the regime of military ruler HM Ershad.

But the very existence of upazila parishads faced a severe crisis following the second election in 1990 when Ershad stepped down in the face of a mass movement.

A BNP government assumed power in 1991 and dissolved the upazila system. The Supreme Court in a judgment in 1992 directed the government to hold elections to upazila parishads within six months, but the BNP government did not hold the polls during its tenure.

Assuming power through the 1996 general elections, Awami League passed the Upazila Parishad Act in 1998.

The immediate past BNP-led alliance government, which came to power through the 2001 general election, moved for holding the upazila elections and formed a cabinet committee for the purpose. But the committee members failed to reach a consensus on holding the polls.

All those governments meanwhile sought extension of time on many occasions from the Supreme Court to comply with its directives for holding the polls.

The current caretaker government recently moved for holding the upazila elections and assured the EC of the return of its power to announce the poll schedules for over 450 upazila parishads.
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Re: [mukto-mona] Christian Fundamentalism, the Global Crusade and Muslims

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This is Yogi propaganda, indicating that American Christian Fundamentalists are coming to take over the World. Utter nonsense. American has nominated a Presidential candidate with Muslim middle name and he is from a minority community also; he is replacing George Bush, who so many of you are afraid of. Comparing the threat of American Christian fundamentalists with that of the Islamic fundamentalists is nothing but a diversion technique to draw attention somewhere, where it's not needed.
 
Jiten Roy

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Re: [mukto-mona] Target USA: Islamic Fundamentalists̢۪ Road to The End of the World

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Thank you, Mr. Akbar�Hussain,�for your posting. I do not know Yogi Sikand but I have been trying to understand his point of view by reading his postings in this forum.�He projects partisan views through his writings. Therefore, he is not just a journalist.

He�has sided with the Deobandi clerics, who appears to be moderate on the surface but really not so. They opposed breakup of India because their dream to rule India again has been interrupted by the cessation of India. That dream has been pushed back hundreds of year but still alive.

His anti-American and anti-Israeli stands indicate that he supports the Wahabi clerics. As a whole,�his support is for the fundamentalist ideologies, but why? I wonder!

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RE: [ALOCHONA] Awami League in Election: My prediction came out to be true

Mr. J. Chowdury,
 
Thank you for your very interesting response. No I am not intelligent at all (I believe I did not claim it). I was passed my High School in 1972 by "Nokolbaji" which was introduced by Bangladesh Awami League (BAL).
 
Most of the Awami's think the general public of Bangladesh are illeterate, idiot, vegetable and I.Q. below 80. What meaningful dialogue and election you are referring to? What you discuss in the dialogue? Anything constructive that will bring the country out of this mess? Who will ensure free and fair election?
 
You said that the BAL is a pro-election Party. Yes, definitely it it has been. Because that is the way you can gain "Haloa and Ruti" in the name of promising better future for the "common mass".
 
The BAL betrayed with people over and over since Sheikh Mujib joined the "Round Table" meeting in Rawalpindi in 1969 bypassing request of other politicians including Maulana Bhasani. He secretly boarded a Plane in Tejgaon Airport. He came back emply handed. Upon his return he advised Maulana to retire from politics. This was way he paid his debt to Maulana who organized 1969 movement to get him out of jail.
 
When BNP was overthrown by Ershad the BAL welcomed it. In 1986, Sheikh Hasnia secretly negotiated with Ershad to join election. But pretented to be a valiant Ershad opponent. Just 12 hours before the BAL decided to join election she said "Those who will join election will be treated as national traitor". Well  only 12 hours latter, the Nation saw who was the national traitor. So what kind of free and fair election the BAL joined that guaranteed Ershad another 4 years autocratic rule. Ershad bought the BAL support with millions of dollars bribe delivered at Dhanmondi 32.
 
No Awami League should not refrain from election because why they should deprive of them 'Haloa and Ruti"?
 
By the by, how did you conclude that I am a BNP supporter? You Awamis always think those who criticise you are either BNP supporter or Rajakar. Want to leash "Lal Ghora"?
 
SH
Toronto


"J.A. Chowdhury" <Chwdhury@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mr.Sajjad,
We all know that AL is a election oriented political party in Bangladesh.If u forecast it a couple of weeks ago,its does not mean u r very intelligent.AL and its supporters belive fair and free Election is the only way to go to Power.CTG's advisors specially Dr.Hossein Jillur Rahman working hard for a meaningfull dialogue and a fair election.AL must cooperate them.
 
Now BNP is not a countable political party in Bangladesh.In absent of Khleda they are devided by three.Delwar Group Hannan Shah Group n Major Hafiz Group.If Delwar is main leader of BNP
I want to refer here an artical in Prothom Alo 12/06/08 about ur great leader Khondakar Delwar.Pls read it.http://www.prothom-alo.com/archive/news_details_home.php?dt=2008-06-12&issue_id=951&nid=MTY2NTU=

So tell me,is there any alternative of AL to go to power in free and fair election?Why AL should abstain from election?
 
Rgd
J.Chowdhury


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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:53:21 -0700
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Awami League in Election: My prediction came out to be true

Dear Alochoks,
 
Only couple of weeks ago I posted that Awami League would participate
in the next election. Their election boycot declaration was merely a cat and mouse game.
See as soon as Sheikh Hasina is declared to set free by the Free and Fair Judiciary (according to Alochok Ezajur and Right Hand Man of Desher Daroan), Awami League has decided to join the election. The big rumor in Dhaka is that Govt. has also given a huge amount of money to the Awami League Leaderships.
 
SH
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[ALOCHONA] Most cancer doctors avoid saying it's the end

Most cancer doctors avoid saying it's the end
New research backs straight talk, casts doubt on 'keeping hope alive'
 
The Associated Press
updated 4:27 p.m. ET, Sun., June. 15, 2008
 

One look at Eileen Mulligan lying soberly on the exam table and Dr. John Marshall knew the time for the Big Talk had arrived.

He began gently. The chemotherapy is not helping. The cancer is advanced. There are no good options left to try. It would be good to look into hospice care.

"At first I was really shocked. But after, I thought it was a really good way of handling a situation like that," said Mulligan, who now is making a "bucket list" — things to do before she dies. Top priority: getting her busy sons to come for a weekend at her Washington, D.C., home.

Many people do not get such straight talk from doctors, who often think they are doing patients a favor by keeping hope alive.

New research shows they are wrong.

Only one-third of terminally ill cancer patients in a new, federally funded study said their doctors had discussed end-of-life care.

Surprisingly, patients who had these talks were no more likely to become depressed than those who did not, the study found. They were less likely to spend their final days in hospitals, tethered to machines. They avoided costly, futile care. And their loved ones were more at peace after they died.

Law requires straight talk
Convinced of such benefits and that patients have a right to know, the California Assembly just passed a bill to require that health care providers give complete answers to dying patients who ask about their options. The bill now goes to the state Senate.

Some doctors' groups are fighting the bill, saying it interferes with medical practice. But at an American Society of Clinical Oncology conference in Chicago earlier this month, where the federally funded study was presented, the society's president said she was upset at its finding that most doctors were not having honest talks.

"That is distressing if it's true. It says we have a lot of homework to do," said Dr. Nancy Davidson, a cancer specialist at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore.

Doctors mistakenly fear that frank conversations will harm patients, said Barbara Coombs Lee, president of the advocacy group Compassionate Choices.

"Boiled down, it's 'Talking about dying will kill you,'" she said. In reality, "people crave these conversations, because without a full and candid discussion of what they're up against and what their options are, they feel abandoned and forlorn, as though they have to face this alone. No one is willing to talk about it."

The new study is the first to look at what happens to patients if they are or are not asked what kind of care they'd like to receive if they were dying, said lead researcher Dr. Alexi Wright of the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston.

It involved 603 people in Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Connecticut and Texas. All had failed chemotherapy for advanced cancer and had life expectancies of less than a year. They were interviewed at the start of the study and are being followed until their deaths. Records were used to document their care.

Of the 323 who have died so far, those who had end-of-life talks were three times less likely to spend their final week in intensive care, four times less likely to be on breathing machines, and six times less likely to be resuscitated.

About 7 percent of all patients in the study developed depression. Feeling nervous or worried was no more common among those who had end-of-life talks than those who did not.

That rings true, said Marshall, who is Mulligan's doctor at Georgetown University's Lombardi Comprehensive Cancer Center. Patients often are relieved, and can plan for a "good death" and make decisions, such as do-not-resuscitate orders.

"It's sad, and it's not good news, but you can see the tension begin to fall" as soon as the patient and the family come to grips with a situation they may have suspected but were afraid to bring up, he said.

From an ethics point of view, "it's easy — patients ought to know," said Dr. Anthony Lee Back of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center in Seattle. "Talking about prognosis is where the rubber meets the road. It's a make-or-break moment — you earn that trust or you blow it," he told doctors at a training session at the cancer conference on how to break bad news.

People react differently, though, said Dr. James Vredenburgh, a brain tumor specialist at Duke University.

"There are patients who want to talk about death and dying when I first meet them, before I ever treat them. There's other people who never will talk about it," he said.

"Most patients know in their heart" that the situation is grim, "but people have an amazing capacity to deny or just keep fighting. For a majority of patients it's a relief to know and to just be able to talk about it," he said.

Sometimes, talk is hardest for doctor
Sometimes it's doctors who have trouble accepting that the end is near, or think they've failed the patient unless they keep trying to beat the disease, said Dr. Otis Brawley, chief medical officer at the American Cancer Society.

"I had seven patients die in one week once," Brawley said. "I actually had some personal regrets in some patients where I did not stop treatment and in retrospect, I think I should have."

James Rogers, 67 of Durham, N.C., wants no such regrets. Diagnosed with advanced lung cancer last October, he had only one question for the doctor who recommended treatment.

"I said 'Can you get rid of it?' She said 'no,'" and he decided to simply enjoy his final days with the help of the hospice staff at Duke.

"I like being told what my health condition is. I don't like beating around the bush," he said. "We all have to die. I've had a very good life. Death is not something that was fearful to me."

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[mukto-mona] Most cancer doctors avoid saying it's the end

Most cancer doctors avoid saying it's the end
New research backs straight talk, casts doubt on 'keeping hope alive'
 
The Associated Press
updated 4:27 p.m. ET, Sun., June. 15, 2008
 

One look at Eileen Mulligan lying soberly on the exam table and Dr. John Marshall knew the time for the Big Talk had arrived.

He began gently. The chemotherapy is not helping. The cancer is advanced. There are no good options left to try. It would be good to look into hospice care.

"At first I was really shocked. But after, I thought it was a really good way of handling a situation like that," said Mulligan, who now is making a "bucket list" — things to do before she dies. Top priority: getting her busy sons to come for a weekend at her Washington, D.C., home.

Many people do not get such straight talk from doctors, who often think they are doing patients a favor by keeping hope alive.

New research shows they are wrong.

Only one-third of terminally ill cancer patients in a new, federally funded study said their doctors had discussed end-of-life care.

Surprisingly, patients who had these talks were no more likely to become depressed than those who did not, the study found. They were less likely to spend their final days in hospitals, tethered to machines. They avoided costly, futile care. And their loved ones were more at peace after they died.

Law requires straight talk
Convinced of such benefits and that patients have a right to know, the California Assembly just passed a bill to require that health care providers give complete answers to dying patients who ask about their options. The bill now goes to the state Senate.

Some doctors' groups are fighting the bill, saying it interferes with medical practice. But at an American Society of Clinical Oncology conference in Chicago earlier this month, where the federally funded study was presented, the society's president said she was upset at its finding that most doctors were not having honest talks.

"That is distressing if it's true. It says we have a lot of homework to do," said Dr. Nancy Davidson, a cancer specialist at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore.

Doctors mistakenly fear that frank conversations will harm patients, said Barbara Coombs Lee, president of the advocacy group Compassionate Choices.

"Boiled down, it's 'Talking about dying will kill you,'" she said. In reality, "people crave these conversations, because without a full and candid discussion of what they're up against and what their options are, they feel abandoned and forlorn, as though they have to face this alone. No one is willing to talk about it."

The new study is the first to look at what happens to patients if they are or are not asked what kind of care they'd like to receive if they were dying, said lead researcher Dr. Alexi Wright of the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston.

It involved 603 people in Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Connecticut and Texas. All had failed chemotherapy for advanced cancer and had life expectancies of less than a year. They were interviewed at the start of the study and are being followed until their deaths. Records were used to document their care.

Of the 323 who have died so far, those who had end-of-life talks were three times less likely to spend their final week in intensive care, four times less likely to be on breathing machines, and six times less likely to be resuscitated.

About 7 percent of all patients in the study developed depression. Feeling nervous or worried was no more common among those who had end-of-life talks than those who did not.

That rings true, said Marshall, who is Mulligan's doctor at Georgetown University's Lombardi Comprehensive Cancer Center. Patients often are relieved, and can plan for a "good death" and make decisions, such as do-not-resuscitate orders.

"It's sad, and it's not good news, but you can see the tension begin to fall" as soon as the patient and the family come to grips with a situation they may have suspected but were afraid to bring up, he said.

From an ethics point of view, "it's easy — patients ought to know," said Dr. Anthony Lee Back of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center in Seattle. "Talking about prognosis is where the rubber meets the road. It's a make-or-break moment — you earn that trust or you blow it," he told doctors at a training session at the cancer conference on how to break bad news.

People react differently, though, said Dr. James Vredenburgh, a brain tumor specialist at Duke University.

"There are patients who want to talk about death and dying when I first meet them, before I ever treat them. There's other people who never will talk about it," he said.

"Most patients know in their heart" that the situation is grim, "but people have an amazing capacity to deny or just keep fighting. For a majority of patients it's a relief to know and to just be able to talk about it," he said.

Sometimes, talk is hardest for doctor
Sometimes it's doctors who have trouble accepting that the end is near, or think they've failed the patient unless they keep trying to beat the disease, said Dr. Otis Brawley, chief medical officer at the American Cancer Society.

"I had seven patients die in one week once," Brawley said. "I actually had some personal regrets in some patients where I did not stop treatment and in retrospect, I think I should have."

James Rogers, 67 of Durham, N.C., wants no such regrets. Diagnosed with advanced lung cancer last October, he had only one question for the doctor who recommended treatment.

"I said 'Can you get rid of it?' She said 'no,'" and he decided to simply enjoy his final days with the help of the hospice staff at Duke.

"I like being told what my health condition is. I don't like beating around the bush," he said. "We all have to die. I've had a very good life. Death is not something that was fearful to me."

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[mukto-mona] The Nation - The Long Life of the Frontier Mullah

The Long Life of the Frontier Mullah
Wednesday 11 June 2008
by: Basharat Peer,
The Nation
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080630/peer


Basharat Peer's memoir of the Kashmir conflict, Curfewed Night, will be published by Scribner in the United States next year. He is an assistant editor at Foreign Affairs

Late one evening in March, I sat in Haandi, a Pakistani restaurant on Lexington Avenue, and watched the swearing in of the new Prime Minister of Pakistan, Yousaf Raza Gillani. Gillani is a loyalist of the Pakistan People's Party (PPP), which since its founding in 1967 has been led by the Bhutto clan.

The general election in February was held seven weeks after the PPP's chair, Benazir Bhutto, was killed by a bomb blast and a bullet to the head at an election rally in Rawalpindi, and in an acrid climate of grief, anger and bewilderment, the PPP ended up trouncing President Pervez Musharraf's Pakistan Muslim League. A television suspended from the ceiling at Haandi showed Pakistan's new prime minister discussing the restoration of democratic institutions and then announcing the release of the sixty-two judges, including Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, who had been living under house arrest since President Musharraf imposed martial law on November 3. Soon after Gillani's announcement, the television showed Chaudhry on the balcony of his house in Islamabad, Pakistan's capital. Crowds of supporters danced about and showered him with rose petals.

The news anchor then claimed a scoop, as one of the network's reporters thrust a cellphone into Chaudhry's face. The chief justice spoke into it, and his words reached me and the dozen or so Pakistani cabdrivers staring at a television in a restaurant in New York City. "There is still a long struggle ahead of us," he said. Three men at my table broke into a spontaneous discussion. The newscast's images of reform and hope reminded them of their country's failures: a feudal social system, the rule of the landlords, nearly four decades of military rule, widespread inequality. These were men who worked twelve-hour shifts in their rented cabs and had for years lived apart from their families in Pakistan, to whom they regularly remitted their meager savings. One man talked about the tragedy of the partition of British India into India and Pakistan. Another compared prepartition India to a neighborhood: the country had been a cluster of houses owned by people who were related, often sons of the same father. They argued and fought, but at the end of the day they lived together as part of a larger whole. "We didn't even maintain the house we got," the man said.

The rooms long thought to be Pakistan's messiest are the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP) and Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), which hug 500 miles of the country's mountainous and dangerous border with Afghanistan. Six years ago, the mullahs of the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA), an alliance of six Islamist parties, were elected in the NWFP during the wave of anti-Americanism that swelled up after the US invasion of Afghanistan. Yet in the recent elections there, the MMA was defeated by the Awami National Party (ANP), a secular Pashtun nationalist party established in 1986 after the merger of a few left-leaning parties. The ANP is led by Asfandyar Wali Khan, the grandson of Abdul Ghaffar Khan, the foremost twentieth-century leader of the Pashtuns, who was known as Frontier Gandhi and had opposed the partition of British India. The MMA's re-election bid faltered because the party had failed to provide even the most rudimentary government services to the impoverished people of the frontier region, an area scarred by the brutal insurgency and counterinsurgency warfare being waged by the Taliban and other Islamist militants who control the area and Pakistani soldiers supported by US forces. The MMA's defeat has been celebrated as one of Pakistan's most dramatic and positive developments.

The "war on terror" has made the borderlands a newsworthy topic, yet accounts of the daily struggles, aspirations and challenges of the region's population are rare. American coverage of the recent elections there spotlighted the ANP's victory as a rejection of Islamist parties and marginalized the issues that dominated the campaign: reducing the presence of the Pakistani military, lowering civilian casualties in the counterinsurgency operations and pushing a development agenda in the tribal belt. What's not in short supply are stories about the mullahs and warring tribes; their prominence is a testament to how the frontier region remains an unruly captive of the narrative that first defined it for the world beyond the Hindu Kush and the Khyber Pass: the imperial "Great Game" played by Britain and Russia in the region in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. The Great Game had its second inning in the early 1980s, when the United States, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan supported the Afghan resistance against Soviet forces in neighboring Afghanistan.

One of the first printed works to establish the reputation of the North-West Frontier tribes as bloodthirsty and acrimonious was written in 1897 by a second lieutenant of a British cavalry regiment. The young officer was Winston Churchill, who had ended up commanding a brigade tasked with subduing tribes in Malakand - in the frontier territory's northern reaches - after refining his polo game during a posting with his regiment in British India. In The Story of the Malakand Field Force, which is peppered with racist and Islamophobic remarks, Churchill says of the frontier tribes, "Except at the times of sowing and of harvest, a continual state of feud and strife prevails throughout the land.... Every man's hand is against the other, and all against the stranger.... To the ferocity of the Zulu are added the craft of the Redskin and the marksmanship of the Boer." He goes on to write that the frontier people were exposed to the "rapacity and tyranny of a numerous priesthood...and a host of wandering Talib-ul-ilms, who correspond with the theological students in Turkey, and live free at the expense of the people. More than this, they enjoy a sort of 'droit du seigneur,' and no man's wife or daughter is safe from them."

In Sana Haroon's Frontier of Faith, the history of the borderlands is not a chapter in the story of the Great Game. Haroon, a young Pakistani historian trained at the University of London's School of Oriental and African Studies, provides a complex and valuable account of the role and influence of the mullahs in the frontier region and the frontier's relationship with external powers from the late nineteenth century to the 1960s. The position and power that the mullahs came to possess in the frontier areas, she explains, was not some sort of a divine right but rather assiduously built from social networking, political and spiritual manipulation, and coercion. The product of meticulous doctoral and postdoctoral research, Frontier of Faith draws on a wealth of sources, such as the correspondence and memoirs of British officials, Indian Muslim nationalists and Deobandi scholars; the archived files of the colonial police and administration in Peshawar; Pakistani Urdu and English newspapers of the era as well as rarely explored anticolonial jihadi papers like Al Mujahid; and interviews of various descendants of the frontier mullahs in Peshawar. Haroon offers a fascinating street-level view of frontier life and politics, but unfortunately she often gets overwhelmed by details and loses direction. Her book's many insights suffer from the absence of a coherent and elegant narrative.

The rise of the frontier mullahs is not solely religious in origin. While the mullahs' emergence is inextricably linked to the nineteenth-century revival of the ideas of a seventeenth-century north Indian Muslim philosopher, Sheikh Ahmed Sirhindi, and his disciple Shah Wali Ullah, their ascendance was boosted by the transformation of those ideas into weapons of regional warfare and, later, anticolonialism. Sirhindi mixed Sufi practice with a return to the fundamentals - the Koran and the hadith, the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad. Wali Ullah added the idea of social practice based on Shariah and called for social and political reform. In the early nineteenth century, Wali Ullah's grandson, Shah Ismail, and his friend Sayyid Ahmed Barelvi interpreted this call for social and political reform as a call for jihad and launched campaigns against the Sikhs who ruled most of Punjab and Peshawar. During the campaigns, Barelvi struck a strong alliance with Akhund Ghaffur, a Pashtun Sufi from the tribal belt, and preached Wali Ullah's revivalist vision of Islam among the Pashtuns. (Wali Ullah's faith is akin to Wahhabism, the ultraconservative brand of Sunni Islam whose dramatic spread since the 1970s has been fueled by Saudi petrodollars as well as American cash funneled to the mujahedeen who fought the Soviets in Afghanistan.) Although Barelvi was betrayed by some tribal chiefs and killed during an 1831 battle in a small town in the NWFP called Balakot, about 125 miles from Islamabad, some of his men found refuge in the frontier region with Ghaffur.

Among the descendants of Sirhindi who had settled in Kabul was the city's head priest, Hafiz Ji, the mentor of Ghaffur and religious policy adviser to the Afghan king. In 1835 Dost Muhammad Khan, the ruler of Afghanistan, went to battle against Ranjit Singh, the Sikh ruler of Punjab. On Hafiz Ji's recommendation, Dost Muhammad had appealed to Ghaffur, among others, for military support. Ghaffur obliged, bringing his supporters and students to Peshawar to join the Afghan army. Dost Muhammad rewarded Ghaffur for his support with vast tracts of land throughout the frontier areas. Ghaffur's newfound wealth led him to establish a langarkhana (free community kitchen), where 500 people were fed every day; his reputation grew, and the town he lived in turned into a "thriving city whose economy revolved around the langarkhana." His disciples spread out and set up bases throughout the frontier promoting Wali Ullah's revivalist vision of Islam.

The Afghan patronage ended in 1878. Ghaffur died, and his disciple Hadda Mulla Najmuddin succeeded him. At the same time, a new ruler in Kabul, Amir Abdur Rahman - after establishing a centralized bureaucracy and a state army - ignored the mullahs and spearheaded intrusions into the tribal regions. The British were also pushing forward from Peshawar to establish control of the frontier region. As he strived to further consolidate his authority and extend the network of his order throughout the entire frontier area, Hadda Mulla resisted the unfavorable Afghan ruler and obsessively fought the British, most famously in the Battle of Malakand, which Churchill chronicled. Haroon quotes a letter Hadda Mulla wrote to persuade tribal elders to join a campaign against the British: "The kafirs have taken possession of all Muslim countries, and owing to the lack of spirit on the part of the people are conquering every region." These words have been reverberating in those mountains ever since.

Hadda Mulla's words didn't repel the British, but his revivalist religious order continued to dominate the frontier, and opposition to the British continued after his death in 1903, thanks to the work of his disciples. They were led by Haji Turangzai, a mullah who had ventured into the larger world - first to the revivalist Islamic seminary of Deoband near Delhi and then to Mecca for hajj. Turangzai and other disciples of Hadda Mulla named their revivalist agenda amr-bil maruf wa nahi anal munkir (the movement for "the promotion of virtue and prevention of vice"), which Haroon describes as "a social mission that was to give the line [their order] its greatest cohesion and form its primary agenda in the twentieth century." Turangzai consolidated the mission's influence by establishing 150 madrassas throughout the British-administered North-West Frontier Province, and then settling full-time in the tribal region of the frontier.

In 1893, after the Second Anglo-Afghan War, the British forced Afghanistan to consent to the drawing of the Durand Line, which demarcated a rough boundary between Afghanistan and British India and was meant to formally limit Afghan influence in the North-West Tribal Areas. But the frontier remained porous, and the tribal mullahs continued to rally their militias in support of various men fighting for the throne of Kabul. The mullahs, who were mostly Pashtuns, enmeshed themselves in the fabric of village life in the frontier region, "trading, interacting and inter-marrying within the clan unit," Haroon writes. The mullahs claimed their place in the villages by managing the local mosques, which Haroon aptly describes as "a functional, inclusive and vibrant arena of male village life." Despite their poverty, illiteracy and sparse communication with the greater world, the villagers in the frontier area were hungry for news - "about on-going wars, the nationalist movement in India, colonial governance, and intrigue at the Afghan darbar, and events across the Tribal Areas." Rumors such as Turks coming to liberate India, and Germany embracing Islam filled the frontier villages. The mullahs received travelers and the occasional newspaper someone brought to the mosque, and used the "traditional Friday sermon to comment on the content of news and its implications."

Around the time of World War I, political activism among Indian Muslims grew more common, invigorated by anticolonialism and questions about colonial repression shared by Muslim communities across the world. "Using the Urdu press to publicise their ideas," Haroon writes, Indian Muslims criticized the British government of India fighting the Ottoman caliph. In this atmosphere, Maulana Mahmudul Hasan, the chancellor of the revivalist Islamic seminary at Deoband, conceived of a plan to launch armed rebellion against the British from the Tribal Areas. Some Deobandi sought assistance and financial support from Afghanistan, and others made plans in 1916 to invite the Ottoman vizier to attack and liberate India. The Deobandi initiative in the frontier died when letters from frontier-based Deobandis to the vizier and Hasan, "written on pieces of silk to avoid detection," were intercepted by the colonial police and most of the senior Deobandi leaders were arrested.

The tribal mullahs turned toward Kabul and fought against the British in 1919 during the Third Anglo-Afghan War, which led to an end of the British control of Afghan foreign policy. Beginning in the 1920s, the British made strong efforts to expand roads, railways and garrisons, especially in Waziristan. Led by the mullahs, the tribes resisted. But when the British responded heavy-handedly, using RAF planes to bomb Muslim militias, the mullahs showed that maintenance of their regional authority was closer to their hearts than anticolonialism. The main mullah order led by Turangzai "did not see the utility in opposing the [colonial] scheme once its monetary benefit accrued to them." (British allowances to the frontier tribes for projects like roads and railways had more than doubled between 1919 and 1925.) And during moments of relative peace between the British and the tribes, Haroon shows, Turangzai, backed by a private militia of mullahs and tribesmen, positioned himself and other mullahs as the chief arbitrators of disputes and order in the frontier - for example, by preventing the extradition of a Pashtun man who had kidnapped a young British girl, and negotiating the release of the girl and the safety of the kidnapper.

Even by the late 1930s, the British had not succeeded in destroying the mullahs' authority, although the RAF's "disproportionate response" to unrest, and the deaths of prominent mullahs like Turangzai, had reduced militant campaigns against the colonial government. But throughout the '30s, opposition to the British rule had grown stronger throughout India. Haroon traces a web of relationships among the tribal mullahs, the Deobandi ideologues and militants, the Khudai Khidmatgars (the nonviolent anticolonial followers of the Gandhian Pashtun leader Ghaffar Khan), Muhammad Ali Jinnah's Muslim League and Mahatma Gandhi's Indian National Congress Party. These relationships also involve a contest for allegiances, which the Muslim League won after Jinnah (who would become the first governor-general of Pakistan in 1947) traveled through the NWFP in 1936, criticizing the British frontier policies and valorizing the independence of the tribal region.

In the summer of 1947, when the British were leaving and the partition plan had been announced, the Tribal Areas joined Pakistan but retained their autonomy and traditional systems of power and authority, even though Ghaffar Khan and his supporters in the NWFP remained committed to an undivided India and, later, a separate state of Pashtunistan. In fact, the Tribal Areas' relationship with the postcolonial Pakistani state was not very different from the region's relationship with the Afghan rulers or with the British. It was a patron-client affair wherein the state provided the tribes with financial and other kinds of assistance to earn their cooperation. The tribal belt was never integrated into the Pakistani polity, and Pakistan made no real effort at establishing modern systems of administration and infrastructure in the region.

Yet from the very beginning the tribes served the purposes of the state, first and foremost in the first Indo-Pakistan war over Kashmir in 1947-48, when Pashtun mullahs led by Turangzai's son, Badshah Gul II, and supported by the Pakistani military led a tribal attack to liberate Kashmir. The invasion, Haroon explains, was not fueled so much by Pakistani "nationalism" as by "opportunity, bravado, and possibly hunger, shored up by massive moral and material support." The first India-Pakistan war over Kashmir helped the Pakistani government "to convene jirgas with almost all tribes and ratify new treaty-based settlements between them and the Pakistan government on the colonial model." It took Islamabad many more years to establish control as some Pashtun tribal leaders in Waziristan began an insurgency for a Pashtun state.

Khan, a towering, muscular man with a beaklike nose and much personal wealth, got involved in the Indian freedom struggle in 1919 after the British passed the infamous Rowlatt Act, which denied the right of trial to dissidents. Under Gandhi's influence, Khan turned to an austere life - most photographs show him as a smiling giant dressed in homespun cotton. Khan founded the Servants of God, or the Red Shirt Movement, in 1929, and his roughly 100,000 followers (all turned out in red shirts) were mostly Pashtun peasants. They formed a unique, nonviolent Pashtun army pledged to follow the teachings of Islam and to pursue social and political reform among the Pashtuns and nonviolent agitation for Indian independence. Khan and his Red Shirts supported the Congress Party's cause of an undivided India over the Muslim League's demand for Pakistan. Khan's biographer (and Gandhi's grandson), Rajmohan Gandhi, writes, "The naturalness of his Islam, his directness, his rejection of violence and revenge, and his readiness to cooperate with non-Muslims add up to a valuable legacy for our angry times."

After 1947, as the NWFP became part of Pakistan, Khan's demands for an autonomous Pashtunistan earned the wrath of the Pakistani government. He was jailed for many years and spent most of the 1960s exiled in Afghanistan, where the government of Mohammed Zahir Shah (the king in exile rediscovered by the world in Rome after the fall of the Taliban in late 2001) supported the Pashtunistan demand, opposed Pakistan's membership in the United Nations and provided financial and moral support to secure the loyalty of the frontier mullahs. The volatile frontier was stabilized in the 1950s by American pressure on Afghanistan and Pakistani military action against dissenting tribal leaders like Mirza Ali Khan, who led an armed group of tribesmen from the Mahsud tribe (which counts among its brethren Baitullah Mahsud, the militant leader accused of assassinating Benazir Bhutto). Pakistani military and elected governments believed in the "intractability of the tribes" and avoided the expense of infrastructure development, controlling the frontier through financial assistance to tribal leaders. Haroon argues that the tribes would have embraced the social, civic and institutional amenities available to citizens elsewhere in Pakistan, since hundreds of young Pashtuns "were migrating from the Tribal Areas to Peshawar and Kabul in pursuit of education, business opportunities or jobs."

Pakistan mostly ignored the Tribal Areas until the beginning of the US-backed resistance to the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the early 1980s, when the NWFP and FATA became staging areas for Afghan fighters. The story of the Afghan war, the role of Pakistani and American intelligence agencies and Islamist groups, and the rise of the Taliban are stories better read in Steve Coll's fascinating Ghost Wars or Ahmed Rashid's Taliban. Senior Pakistani journalist Zahid Hussein's Frontline Pakistan is another valuable addition to the literature on a post-9/11 Pakistan dominated by terrorist and counterterrorist operations in the NWFP and FATA. Al Qaeda, Afghan, Uzbek and Arab militants and the Taliban have enmeshed themselves in the region, especially Waziristan, marrying local women, living like locals, alternating between working in the fields and firing rockets on US coalition forces in Afghanistan and the Pakistani military.

Haroon's account of the region is marred by her failure to acknowledge the stature of Ghaffar Khan, his movement among the Pashtuns and the nature of his influence in the tribal region. Haroon's discussion of Khan is slight, an odd way to treat a man whose death in 1988 at 98 prompted the Pashtun guerrillas fighting the Soviet forces in Afghanistan to declare a cease-fire for a day in his honor. The Soviets permitted thousands of guerrillas to cross the border into Pakistan for his funeral. Still, this oversight doesn't hamper Haroon's understanding of the origins of the political tragedy of the frontier areas, where about 4 million people have no recourse to Pakistani laws or courts; the literacy rate is only 17 percent, against the Pakistani national average of 45 percent; and female literacy is 3 percent, against the national average of 32 percent. As Haroon observed recently in a column in the Guardian, "As long as the Pakistan state continues to represent the tribal areas as a nightmare landscape of roads cut deep through unknowable mountains swarming with enemies - and keeps persisting in trying to control or subjugate them instead of governing - extremists will continue to find them a haven."

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Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Moeen U Ahmed in Kuwait

Dear Mr. Saeed Rehman:
I think you have articulated very well for all of us who are becoming increasingly dismayed at the level of discourse among Bengalis of our class, the so-called educated, most successful etc, etc.

In most respects, notwithstanding small changes in nomenclature and names of principals, the discourse has remained wherever, it has been for the last two hundred years or more. Whenenever a new govt comes a section of our intelligentsia rise to become courtiers to the new order. Praising to high heaven, singing odes, composing poems & making a fetish of small differences*.

Very few people have the integrity/courage to tell the Emperor that he is not wearing any clothes. Perhaps I am being unfair in singling out our fellow Alochoks because it really goes beyond into our psyche as a nation. Freud would have had a field day analyzing all of us.

Thanks again

Robin Khundkar

[To the last point on small differences, I recommend highly, a slim volume by Sigmund Freud, "Civilization and Its Discontents" (1929-1930). Freud introduces a concept of what he calls "Narcissm of Small Differences". It describes the manner in which our negative feelings are sometimes directed at people who resemble us, while we take pride from the "small differences" that distinguish us from them] Source Wikepedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_of_small_differences


-----Original Message-----
>From: saeedurrehman92 <saeedurrehman92@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jun 13, 2008 7:42 AM
>To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Moeen U Ahmed in Kuwait
>
>
>Dear Mr. Rahim
>
>I will not disagree with you at all. Theoretically and ideally you are
>right. But see what is practically happening. Some leaders in both the
>major parties started talking about reforms till 2 nethris went to jail.
>In my opinion, and I may be wrong, it was not at all required at that
>time to send them to jail. Either this action should have taken
>immediately after 1/11 or should have taken after making strong cases.
>What was the result of that? People even stopped talking about reforms.
>All the public attention was diverted to the nethris. What happened to
>the reformists? The poor guys – they found it difficult to save
>their skin. All these years what AL and BNP had been doing? If they were
>in Power they used all their means, foul or fair, to remain in power.
>And if they were in opposition, they did everything possible, foul or
>fair, to drag down the other party out of power. But Mr. Rahim, tell me
>honestly, is not the present junta doing the same thing. Do you think
>Hasina came out of jail on public pressure? Absolutely not. There is an
>underhand arrangement.
>
>Mr. Rahim you think that the present government should remain in power
>till the political parties in the country start practicing real
>democracy inside and outside etc.etc. I, also will tell you the same
>thing. But tell me, is there any sign of it in the last 16/17 months?
>Not at all. With all due respect should I tell you that to learn
>swimming you have to get into waters. You can not first learn swimming
>and then get into waters. Even if I take your words does anybody have a
>time frame when our political parties will learn democracy and then we
>will have the election? Can our nation wait that long with the present
>stagnant economy?
>
>We need not to go far past; the recent history has a very bad record of
>Army rule at the least in South Asia. Look at every Army ruler, before
>relinquishing power, either they destroyed themselves or destroyed the
>nation or destroyed the both. Be it be Ayub, Yayha, Zia Huq, Zia Rahman,
>Irshad or for that matter Mushraff. There is no exception. Look deeply
>how all of them had to leave power. Of course, I want one exception. I
>want Moeen to leave power with honor and dignity. I only fear he will
>not. He has also ambitions like others but unfortunately he does not
>posses those talents. I will not debate that what he did at juncture was
>right or wrong. I will not debate that he should have taken this step
>earlier. I believe he rose at the right moment. I also believe that
>enough is enough. Now is the time to say Good Bye.
>
>You know Army is considered the most disciplined organization in any
>country. We can afford the mistakes of others (specifically the
>political parties) but you can not at all at all afford the mistakes by
>Army. And one thing more the Army gets corrupted if it remains in
>civilian touch for a long time.
>
>With all due respect
>
>
>
>Saeed
>
>
>
>
>
>--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Raheem M." <raheemm1@...> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Mr. Saeedurrehman,
>>
>> You wrote: "He (Gen. Moeen) rose up a right moment. Now is time for
>him to go back to his barracks. He had enough shake hands."
>>
>> I agree with you that Gen. Moeen rose up at the right moment. However
>I am not sure that the current government's work is finished.
>>
>> It is pure and simple - BNP + AL's politics have caused the problems
>in the country and for themselves. No one is to blame except themselves.
>>
>> When they learn to practice real democracy (inside and outside), when
>they learn accountability, end dynastic politics, end corrupt practice,
>renounce hartal and violence, when they give to the country more than
>they take (loot?), kick out gundaas and mastaans from the party then it
>will be time for them to come back.Have they done any such thing in the
>last 2 years?
>>
>> The more I see the actions of BNP and AL - be it in power or out of
>power, in Bangladesh or out of Bangladesh, I am convinced that these
>parties are completely destroyed from top to bottom. So then why should
>they run our country or even in election?
>>
>> So the next question is - if AL and BNP cannot run the country, then
>who will do it? I say -lets give the new power a chance - whoever they
>are. Give them a full term just like we gave to BNP and AL.
>>
>> I think the CTG and the Army has made mistakes - This is true. But if
>you tell me that BNP or AL is better than our current government - then
>you are 100% wrong. But if they make their parties better then they will
>get another chance for sure - because that is democracy. Until then,
>forget them - it is for the good of the country.
>>
>> - Raheem
>> New York
>>
>>
>> saeedurrehman92 saeedurrehman92@... wrote: Dear Mr. Ejazur
>>
>> If is a person is sleeping you can wake him up. But you cannot wake up
>a person who is only pretending to be sleeping.
>>
>> Mr. Ejazur, it seems that you are interested to know my political
>identity. I remember in the past you have posed the same question to
>many others. Let me tell you that I like many others and unlike very
>handful, I call spade a spade. I will appreciate a person; let it be Tom
>or Harry, if he or she is doing well for the country. In the same token
>if someone in my opinion (mind you I said in my opinion, somebody may
>differ with me) has been other way around, I simply can not appreciate
>it. For example, I can appreciate Hussain Mohammad Irshad for improving
>the communication system in the country but cannot appreciate him for
>his other deeds. This is point many of us are trying to make. We don't
>try to justify the wrongs of the politicians rather we are critical of
>them. But for some handful of people, good or bad Gen. Moeen is the
>best. They are trying to justify all his deeds and all his misdeeds. I
>again pose you the same question, nobody asked you that why the brave
>> Gen. choose Crowne Plaza for his meeting. (I think by this time he
>would have a retired Gen. had he not extended his tenure himself) You
>justify it by claiming that this is the cheapest 5 star hotel in Kuwait.
>Thanks God, hundred times that you did not claim that it was a free
>treat from Hotel Crowne Plaza. Who could have challenged if you had said
>so. You are so blind with the deeds or misdeeds of the Gen. that you
>think 200 is the smallest gathering. Man, who paid the bills. Of course
>it was paid by the Embassy of Bangladesh on Government of Bangladesh
>account. When Hasina was in Kuwait, such expenditures were borne by AL
>affiliated businessmen. (These are your words not mine).
>>
>> I don't disagree that in the past hundred thousands of ordinary
>citizens were harassed because of their political opinions, with the
>lame excuse that they are criminals. But what about now? How many are
>put behind jails in the past few days fearing there may be an agitation
>in favor of any political party? What is the difference between the past
>and the present? Why we have to harp beautiful songs for this act of
>bravery?
>>
>> I know your limitations. I know you cannot apprehend the suffering of
>a common man. I understand you don't know the feelings of the man in the
>street. But I believe you can still understand the present situation in
>the country by the electronic media which you have access to. See and
>read how many people have gone below the poverty level during the past
>15/16 months. These are not my words neither these are the words of any
>political party.
>>
>> I asked your identity because you were advising one gentleman to
>conceal his identity. That made your own identity doubtful. Otherwise,
>who cares you are neutral or neutered.
>>
>> You said it is simply a matter of getting a pass sponsored by either
>the VIP party or the host party to get in the VIP lounge of Kuwait
>Airport. You further said see how many party fruitcakes and party dalals
>turn up in the VIP lounge when an AL or BNP MP or Minister turns up. I
>pose you the same question, how many dalals of brave Gen. Moeen turned
>up at Kuwait Airport when he turned up.
>>
>> Even if I buy your words, a meal in Sheraton Kuwait will cost you
>maximum 20 KD. Even if I buy your word, a meal in Crowne Plaza will cost
>you minimum 1 KD. So you are buying a ticket to Bangladesh with 19 KD. I
>can only pray for you.
>>
>> In the end I will tell you to look around yourself. Look at India.
>India prospered only because there was a political government. By the
>way the politicians in India were also corrupt. Look at Pakistan.
>Pakistan faltered because Pakistan was run mostly by brave Generals. Not
>only they were brave, their jehad was against corruption also.
>>
>> And remember one thing more, CIVILIZED WORLD LIKE CIVILIAN GOVERNMENT.
>We appreciate the bravery of Gen. Moneen. He rose up a right moment. Now
>is time for him to go back to his barracks. He had enough shake hands.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Saeed
>>
>>
>> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" ezajur.rahman@ wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Alochok Saeed
>> >
>> > Our disagreement over hotels is not about minimum standards - it is
>> > about the highest standards. I said the Sheraton was the most
>> > prestigious hotel in Kuwait and you seek to cast doubt on me by
>> > deeming even this harmless statement to be either an exaggeration or
>> > lie!
>> >
>> > The fact that nobody asked me why the Crowne Plaza was hired does
>not
>> > stop me from stating why it was hired. It was hired because it is
>the
>> > cheapest five star hotel in Kuwait.
>> >
>> > Under the nethri system lakhs of ordinary citizens are harassed
>> > because of their political opinions. People lose land, jobs, legal
>> > protection, state protection, business opportunities etc – just
>> > because they oppose the ruling party and its nethri. Be honest about
>> > the condition of the country. I was not writing about my own
>> > security – I was advising others to be careful. You don't need
>to
>> > worry about your own security I think as long as you continue to
>diligently avoid talking real politics.
>> >
>> > Yes, I am very afraid of the possibility that a nethri might come to
>> > power because I think it will be terrible for the country. You on
>the
>> > other hand, well I have no idea what you think… But you are
>probably
>> > a Nethrist…
>> >
>> > Sorry, what do you mean real identity? You don't even state your own
>> > political views or your own identity but you go around questioning
>> > other people's views and identities. It's so typical of so many
>> > people nowadays who promote their own political agenda only by
>> > attacking others – never explaining their own positions and
>> > pretending to be neutral. Neutered is a better word than neutral.
>> >
>> > 200 is indeed a small gathering. God only knows what your idea of a
>> > big gathering is! Though I'm sure if a better hotel was chosen there
>> > would have been more room :)
>> >
>> > The brave General came to Kuwait on the invitation of the Kuwait
>Army
>> > to discuss issues relating to the Bangladesh Army personnel serving
>> > in Kuwait. He, and the professional community here, took that
>> > opportunity to have a dialogue. Its simple.
>> >
>> > Accessing the VIP lounge is not a matter of sneaking in through the
>> > back door – it is simply a matter of getting a pass sponsored by
>> > either the VIP party or the host party. I think you know how easy it
>> > is to get a pass if you know the right people. See how many party
>> > fruitcakes and party dalals turn up in the VIP lounge when an AL or
>> > BNP MP or Minister turns up :)
>> >
>> > I think Nizami should be tried for war crimes and would disagree
>with
>> > Mr Bhuiyan if he thought otherwise. I congratulate General Moeen on
>> > at least showing the way that Nizami, on whatever grounds, can at
>> > least be arrested. The Nethris never had the courage, or the
>> > character, to do anything. The arrest of Nizami is not a ploy to
>> > divert attention. The public's demands for the trial of war
>> > criminals, and their exclusion from elections, remains intact –
>even
>> > reinvigorated after the arrest of Nizami.
>> >
>> > In the end I thank you for your interest in my money. I spend it at
>> > the Crowne Plaza instead of the Sheraton, because with the money
>thus
>> > saved I can buy another plane ticket to Bangladesh :)
>> >
>> > There are minimum standards and highest standards in politics –
>and
>> > in hotels. Though I appreciate standards in hotels are easier to
>> > discuss than standards in your preferred political party :)
>> >
>> > I remain in good humour and hope you are too.
>> >
>> > Best Regards
>> >
>> > Ezajur Rahman
>> > Kuwait
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "saeedurrehman92"
>> > saeedurrehman92@ wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Dear Mr. Ejazur
>> > >
>> > > I thank you for your advisory words to Mr. Bhuiyan. I believe he
>> > owes it
>> > > from you because you and him are living in the same country.
>> > >
>> > > Mr. Ejazur should I remind you very humbly that every 5 star hotel
>> > > (everywhere, and not only in Kuwait) has a minimum standard and
>> > that is
>> > > why it is categorized as a 5 star hotel. And why are so defensive?
>> > > Nobody asked you why it was hired for the brave Gen.'s meeting. Of
>> > > course there are many places in Kuwait which are cheaper than and
>> > better
>> > > than the 5 star hotel you mentioned.
>> > >
>> > > Sorry to say it Mr. Ejazur, but it is clear that you think
>yourself
>> > a
>> > > celebrity. Come `n man be brave like our beloved General. Deep in
>> > > your conscious or subconscious you still think one of the nethris
>> > will
>> > > come to power again. And if you are identified now, you will be
>> > harassed
>> > > then. Mr. Ejazur, please don't be a paranoid. Don't feel
>> > > yourself that important. Believe you me nobody will bother to
>> > harass men
>> > > like you and me for their political believes. By the way what is
>> > your
>> > > real identity?
>> > >
>> > > Should I remind you again, Kuwait is also part of this world. Many
>> > > Bangladeshis still live there. (I am not talking about our
>unskilled
>> > > brothers). Surely they are more than 200. Who picked those 200 and
>> > on
>> > > what criteria?And you call 200 a smallest gathering. Give me break
>> > man.
>> > > And why the brave Gen. and if he is really brave, did not been to
>> > Saudi
>> > > Arabia or to Bahrain. We have more problems with our expatriate
>> > > community than in Kuwait.
>> > >
>> > > My intention is not to embarrass you but fact is that nobody,
>unless
>> > > authorized, is allowed to enter the VIP lounge of Kuwait Airport.
>> > Not to
>> > > talk about entering, he is not even allowed to drive on the road
>> > leading
>> > > to VIP lounge. Mr. Ejazur you admitted in the past that you do
>> > > exaggerate but don't lie. In what category it falls, exaggeration
>or
>> > > a lie. Is not it clear to everybody that Mr. Bhuiyan exaggerate
>(or
>> > lie)
>> > > like you so you have come for his rescue as he does not have any
>> > answer
>> > > to any of the questions.
>> > >
>> > > I am not a supporter of Jamaat-i-Islami but I believe that Mr.
>> > Nizami
>> > > should have been behind bars not for GATCO but for war crimes. Mr.
>> > > Bhuiyan, you call Gen. a very brave man. You are a very die-hard
>> > > supporter of Jamaat. So you endorse that Nizami was corrupt or you
>> > think
>> > > it is a ploy of the brave General to divert public attention and
>to
>> > stop
>> > > people calling for war criminal trials.
>> > >
>> > > In the end Mr.Ejazur, please don't spend your money in Crowne
>Plaza
>> > > Hotel. Go to Fahaheel to Ali Baba hotel. The money thus saved can
>be
>> > > used for the country.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Saeed
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" <ezajur.rahman@> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Dear Mohammed Ramjan
>> > > >
>> > > > You were indeed unfortunate to attend the reception at the
>Crowne
>> > > > Plaza - the General gave an excellent speech! There were only
>200
>> > > > guests as space was limited but everyone certainly had a
>> > thoroughly
>> > > > refreshing evening - the community spoke about the problems of
>our
>> > > > labourers and the General spoke about efforts underway to fix
>> > some of
>> > > > the problems. This would never have been possible under a
>> > political
>> > > > government because the crooks are all politically protected : )
>> > > >
>> > > > Come on man! The Crowne Plaza is a fine hotel but it is probably
>> > the
>> > > > cheapest five star hotel in Kuwait! Sheesh. It was hired solely
>> > > > because it was the cheapest :D I've hired the same ballroom used
>> > for
>> > > > Mooen U Ahmed's reception several times - because it was the
>> > > > cheapeast :D
>> > > >
>> > > > Be careful about giving too much personal information on these
>> > > > forums - there are real people who provoke you for an answer
>only
>> > to
>> > > > identify you. So that when their Nethri comes to power they will
>> > > > harass you. I don't give a rats backside about such challenges
>> > but I
>> > > > am also a reckless person too. Be careful.
>> > > >
>> > > > I know one person who managed to access the VIP lounge and give
>> > their
>> > > > regards to Moeen U Ahmed. Its not so difficult. As if the VIP
>> > Lounge
>> > > > of ZIA Airport cannot be accessed! Yes Kuwait is part of the
>> > > > world :)
>> > > >
>> > > > Write to me directly and lets meet up! And we can have a nice
>> > cheap
>> > > > meal at the Crowne Plaza Hotel and discuss who supports which
>> > nethri
>> > > > on the internet but is too ashamed to actually say it : )
>> > > >
>> > > > Have a nice day
>> > > >
>> > > > Ezajur Rahman
>> > > > Kuwait
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > alochona@yahoogroups.com, "saeedurrehman92" saeedurrehman92@
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Dear Mr.Bhuiyan
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I think that you were unfortunate that you could not see Gen.
>> > Moin
>> > > > at
>> > > > > Hotel Crown Plaza (again one of the most prestigious Hotels in
>> > > > Kuwait).
>> > > > > And, I think that the General was fortunate that he did not
>see
>> > > > you. You
>> > > > > said it was smallest public gathering. In what capacity you
>were
>> > > > invited
>> > > > > there?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Again, you said that you went to VIP lounge of Kuwait Airport
>> > along
>> > > > with
>> > > > > Bangladesh Embassy and Kuwaiti Defense Ministry officials in
>(or
>> > > > on)
>> > > > > the day of his departure. Were you from Bangladesh Embassy or
>> > from
>> > > > > Kuwaiti Defense Ministry? In your few minutes talk you
>> > found "this
>> > > > > general a man of high personalities (or personality), really a
>> > > > brave son
>> > > > > of Bangladesh". I don't know that I should agree with you or
>not
>> > > > > but I found you a man of high personalities (or personality)
>> > though
>> > > > I am
>> > > > > not sure if you are a brave son of Bangladesh. One shake hand
>> > and
>> > > > you
>> > > > > knew everything about the General.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I would like to remind you that Kuwait is also part of the
>world
>> > > > and if
>> > > > > not all some people know how the business is conducted there.
>My
>> > > > > brotherly advice, try to be honest don't exaggerate or lie.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Saeed
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Mohammed Ramjan <mramjan@>
>> > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Fortunately or unfortunately I was invited to attend General
>> > Moin
>> > > > U
>> > > > > Ahmed's smallest public gathering in Crown Plaza Hotel Kuwait.
>> > Due
>> > > > to
>> > > > > some other reason I did not attend the gathering.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > In the day of his departure at Kuwait Airport VIP lounge, I
>> > was
>> > > > > present with Bangladesh Embassy and Kuwaiti Defence ministry
>> > > > officials.
>> > > > > I found this general a man of high personalities, really a
>brave
>> > > > son of
>> > > > > Bangladesh. Our talk was held for few minutes, shake hands and
>> > > > finally
>> > > > > goodbye.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Same day I have handed over a book (binder) on "Land use
>> > > > Technology" a
>> > > > > subject on development control process and planning
>permission,
>> > > > which
>> > > > > technology UK implementing from 1948. Unfortunately in India,
>> > > > Pakistan ,
>> > > > > Bangladesh, no where this subject was included for study in
>any
>> > > > > engineering college/university or in any polytechnic
>Institute.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > We want implementation of this valuable technology in
>> > Bangladesh.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Thanking you all
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Mohammed Ramjan Ali Bhuiyan
>> > > > > > Kuwait
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > To: alochona@: ezajur.rahman@: Tue, 27 May 2008 13:21:11
>> > > > > +0000Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Moeen U Ahmed in Kuwait
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Dear Alochok ZaheedMany thanks for your call for good
>manners.
>> > > > Though
>> > > > > to be honest I am probably the one most guilty of bad
>> > manners : ) I
>> > > > am
>> > > > > writing to you because you have smashed the proverbial nail on
>> > the
>> > > > head
>> > > > > by saying..."...putting forth information, references, logic,
>> > > > > anti-logic, philosophy and morals..."This is precisely the
>> > point -
>> > > > there
>> > > > > is hardly any such debate anywhere. People are so tied up in
>the
>> > > > > technicalities, strategies, problems, processes, etc that
>> > thorough
>> > > > > political debate on the issues (any issue) simply does not
>> > exist.
>> > > > Our
>> > > > > papers are busy collecting handouts, press releases,
>quotations
>> > and
>> > > > > numbers. Our editors and tv pundits are busy pondering the
>> > > > mechanisms of
>> > > > > democracy and not the meaning of democracy. And thats about
>> > > > it.WHERE ARE
>> > > > > THE GREAT NATIONAL DEBATES ON HEALTHCARE, EDUCATION,
>> > ENVIRONMENT,
>> > > > LOCAL
>> > > > > GOVERNMENT AND THE ROLE OF ISLAM IN A MODERN BANGLADESH? Sure
>> > > > there's a
>> > > > > debate on food prices but that debate happened because there
>> > was no
>> > > > > choice.Go to any BNP and AL meeting and talk to them about any
>> > of
>> > > > these
>> > > > > subjects. Some will look bewildered, some will get angry
>> > because you
>> > > > > didn't mention the 'nethri' and some will think you are a
>> > showoff
>> > > > from
>> > > > > abroad.But get back to the fight for power and everyone is an
>> > > > expert!
>> > > > > It's like we're all stuck in a neverending third rate Hindi
>> > daytime
>> > > > soap
>> > > > > opera!The Army is indeed the darwan. The electorate is the
>> > > > landlord. The
>> > > > > politcial parties are the tenants. The darwan has indeed taken
>> > over
>> > > > > because the tenants are wrecking the house and the landlord is
>> > fed
>> > > > up.
>> > > > > The darwan broke some flashy vases and ruined some precious
>> > > > paintings -
>> > > > > but the house itself was saved. As with all jonogonists, fancy
>> > talk
>> > > > > about the lower classes ultimately gave way to scornful
>disdain
>> > of
>> > > > the
>> > > > > lowly darwan!And personal attacks are all part of the fun -
>and
>> > a
>> > > > good
>> > > > > measure of how effective one is :) Best wishesEzajur
>> > RahmanKuwait---
>> > > > In
>> > > > > alochona@yahoogroups.com, Zaheed Naser zaheed_naser@ wrote:>>
>> > Dear
>> > > > > Alochok,> > We all support a party, group or ideology one way
>or
>> > > > another
>> > > > > and speak for them in a direct or subtle way and dear Ejajur
>> > > > obviously
>> > > > > speaks for CTG and definitely is not the best friend of the
>two
>> > > > begums!
>> > > > > Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes, I donft,
>whichever, I
>> > > read
>> > > > > his writings with care and attention obviously because of the
>> > fact
>> > > > that
>> > > > > he knows how to dish it out well (and does he write well when
>> > he is
>> > > > > pissed off J). My attempt here is to draw attention to the
>fact
>> > > > that we
>> > > > > shouldnft get personal (licking and all that phrases....)
>when
>> > > we
>> > > > > are indulging in an argument, we have the right to speak for
>any
>> > > > party
>> > > > > and we can do that by putting forth information, references,
>> > logic,
>> > > > > anti-logic, philosophy and morals and anything except stooping
>> > down
>> > > > to
>> > > > > the low level of attacking any Alochok personally with
>indecent
>> > > > words! >
>> > > > > > Regards,> Zaheed> > > Sajjad Hossain shossain456@ wrote:> Do
>> > not
>> > > > wash
>> > > > > your hands. Lick it for the rest of your life. Did you jump on
>> > his
>> > > > feet?
>> > > > > Moeen U Ahmed is a "Daroan" of the Country. When a "Daroan"
>> > takes
>> > > > over
>> > > > > the house, then everything collapses. > > SH> Toronto> >
>ezajur
>> > > > > ezajur.rahman@ wrote:> Khaleda Zia became BNP leader and PM
>> > because
>> > > > she
>> > > > > is the wife of Ziaur > Rahman. BNP would have broken into
>> > various
>> > > > groups
>> > > > > if the symbolism of > Khaleda was absent. Khaleda maintained
>her
>> > > > > position by a network of > patronage, corruption and the
>> > ruthless
>> > > > > removal of all internal > opposition.> > Hasina Wajed became
>AL
>> > > > leader
>> > > > > and PM because she is the daughter of > Sheikh Mujib. AL would
>> > have
>> > > > > broken into various groups if the > symbolism of Hasina was
>> > absent.
>> > > > > Hasina maintained her postion by a > network of patronage,
>> > > > corruption
>> > > > > and the ruthless removal of all > internal opposition.> > Tell
>> > it
>> > > > the
>> > > > > way it is man Enot the way it makes your patriotic ego >
>feel
>> > > > > good.> > Where was I asking you to worship me or Moeen?> You
>> > don't
>> > > > have
>> > > > > the guts or the ability to write 20 strong lines > against
>> > Hasina or
>> > > > > Khaleda for anything.> And that's why, in reality, you do
>> > worship
>> > > > them.>
>> > > > > > I am indeed privileged to shake the hand of the man who went
>> > > > after >
>> > > > > Nizami. I am indeed privileged to shake the hand of the man
>who
>> > > > went >
>> > > > > after Salauddin Qader Chowdhury. But I don't expect you to
>> > > > understand >
>> > > > > that. Please continue with the pechali, bhejali rubbish that
>> > has >
>> > > > > ruined our country.> > The same ladies you admire were crazy
>to
>> > give
>> > > > > malas to Dr Yunus when > he got the Nobel Prize. But when he
>> > dared
>> > > > to
>> > > > > enter politics they > hurled abuse at him like the selfish
>> > > > hypocrites
>> > > > > they are. Even though > as a citizen he is perfectly entitled
>to
>> > > > enter
>> > > > > politics. Becasue these Royal Begums can't stand anyone else
>in
>> > > > their
>> > > > > Kingdom.> > Don't give me that jonogonist mumbo jumbo. That's
>> > for
>> > > > the
>> > > > > Royal > Khaleda and Royal Hasina to say during their
>> > campaigns.> > I
>> > > > > haven't lost my mind. I just see that something is better than
>>
>> > > > > nothing.> > Are you looking forward to the election man and
>> > making
>> > > > some
>> > > > > money if > Hasina and Khaleda become PM? I am! If Hasina and
>> > Khaleda
>> > > > > become PM > I'm going to make some real money. Deshi style!
>> > Talk the
>> > > > > jonogon talk > and fill my pockets with the nation's money at
>> > the
>> > > > same
>> > > > > time.> > Maybe I could write a book: HOW TO MAKE MONEY WITH AL
>> > AND
>> > > > BNP
>> > > > > EFOR > DUMMIES.> > Ezajur Rahman> Kuwait> > --- In
>> > > > > alochona@yahoogroups.com, Sajjad Hossain <shossain456@> >
>> > wrote:>
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > > Khaleda Zia became Prime Minister of Bangladesh on her own
>> > credit >
>> > > > and
>> > > > > elected by the people. She was not there by virtue of the
>> > mighty >
>> > > > gun.
>> > > > > 99% of Bangladeshis belong to lower-middle or middle class. To
>>
>> > > > what
>> > > > > class Mr Ezajur belong to? To what class Gen Moen Uddin Ahmed
>>
>> > > > belong
>> > > > > to? Royal class? Are you asking us to worship you? Sorry I am
>>
>> > not
>> > > > > worshiping Hasina or Khaleda. Both of them are leading two
>> > large >
>> > > > > political parties for more than two decades. They posses
>strong
>> > >
>> > > > > leadership qualities. Your Gen Moen has tried to form one
>> > political
>> > > > >
>> > > > > party with the help of C grade politicians and Nobel Prize
>> > winner
>> > > > but >
>> > > > > has failed to even kick off.> > > > These army boot lickers
>have
>> > > > lost
>> > > > > their minds.> > > > ezajur <ezajur.rahman@> wrote:> > Dear
>> > > > Alochoks> > >
>> > > > > > Or perhaps I should prefer the State visit of Khaleda to
>> > Kuwait a
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > couple of years ago. Yes, perhaps her visit was more dignified
>> > than
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > the visit of Moeen U Ahmed. > > > > She wanted to buy some
>> > > > jewellery.
>> > > > > She was advised that the finest > > jewellers in Kuwait would
>> > > > happily
>> > > > > take a wide selection of pieces > to > > her hotel. She was
>> > advised
>> > > > to
>> > > > > go to a prestigious location. But she > > took the advice of
>> > some
>> > > > idiots
>> > > > > and went to one of the worst gold > > markets in Kuwait. As
>she
>> > > > walked
>> > > > > through the shops onlookers were > > bemused by her entourage.
>> > Who
>> > > > is
>> > > > > she? Why is she here? The market > > that seldom saw an upper
>> > middle
>> > > > > class Indian was now graced by the > > Prime Minister of
>> > > > Bangladesh. Of
>> > > > > course our jonogonists will say > she went to the shops of the
>> > > > common
>> > > > > man. But of course she bought > nothing > > there and in the
>end
>> > > > went to
>> > > > > an exclusive shop and purchased a few > > trinkets and baubles
>-
>> > > > costing
>> > > > > well beyond the dreams of the common > > man. Any idea how
>much
>> > she
>> > > > > spent?> > > > Good old Bangladeshi democracy.> > > > It's a
>> > > > slapstick
>> > > > > comedy.> > > > Regards> > > > Ezajur Rahman> > Kuwait> > > >
>---
>> > In
>> > > > > alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" <ezajur.rahman@> wrote:> >
>> > >> > >
>> > > > > Dear Alochoks> > > > > > On the other hand perhaps I am wrong.
>> > > > Perhaps I
>> > > > > should prefer > > Hasina > > > to Moeen U Ahmed. Perhaps I
>> > should
>> > > > prefer
>> > > > > her State visit to > Kuwait > > > back in 2000. The
>businessmen
>> > of
>> > > > AL
>> > > > > held a reception for her in > the > > > Grand Ballroom of the
>> > > > Sheraton
>> > > > > Hotel. Perhaps I should be proud > of > > > when the Foreign
>> > > > Minister,
>> > > > > Abdus Samad Azad, declared that the > > > audience should
>shout
>> > `Joy
>> > > > > Bangla' in honour of The Nethri. And > as > > > the
>chandeliers
>> > > > shook to
>> > > > > the refrain of a 800 idiots chanting Joy > > > Bangla the
>front
>> > > > rows of
>> > > > > VIPs, Ambassadors, MPs and Ministers > > quickly > > > and
>> > quietly
>> > > > > escaped through the side doors. And the receptionists > > and
>>
>> > > >
>> > > > > security men ran around the hotel like headless chickens. And
>>
>> > > > other >
>> > > > > > > guests thought some terrorists had attacked. And like a
>> > > > brilliant >
>> > > > > > > Foreign Minister he turned to one side of the crowd and
>> > raising
>> > > > >
>> > > > > his > > > hand urged them to shout even louder because he
>could
>> > not
>> > > > hear
>> > > > > > > them. > > > And Hasina just smiled with happiness.> > > >
>>
>> > >
>> > > > The
>> > > > > Sheraton Hotel, the oldest and most prestigious hotel in > >
>> > > > Kuwait, > >
>> > > > > > entwined with the very history of Kuwait itself, witness to
>> > the >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > graciousness of a 1,000 stately receptions over the decades,
>> > had > >
>> > > > > just > > > seen its most ungracious day.> > > > > > But then
>who
>> > > > cares
>> > > > > that the rest of Kuwait just thought:> > > > > > What else do
>> > you
>> > > > expect
>> > > > > from the Prime Minister and Foreign > > Minister > > > of the
>> > > > > cleanersElt;BR>> > > > > Regards> > > > > > Ezajur
>Rahman> > >
>> > > > > Kuwait > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
>> > > > alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur"
>> > > > > <ezajur.rahman@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Saeed Bhai> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Well I was just saying that I was privileged to shake his hand
>>
>> > > > and> >
>> > > > > > > wish him well. Pretty modest compared to what you might be
>> > > >
>> > > > > thinking> > > > for Hasina or Khaleda : )> > > > > > > > He is
>> > > > certainly
>> > > > > not one of the greatest personalities on> > > > earth but
>> > > > definitely one
>> > > > > of the bravest in Bangladesh.> > > > > > > > The future does
>not
>> > > > belong
>> > > > > to him or me. But it belongs to all > of > > us> > > > who
>want
>> > a
>> > > > > Bangladesh without Hasina and Khaleda and all that > > they >
>>
>> > >
>> > > > > represent. And in spite of all the mistakes the possibilty of
>>
>> > > > that > >
>> > > > > > future exists only because of the courage of the CTG. Not
>> > because
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > of > > > anyone else or anything else.> > > > > > > > What is
>> > this
>> > > > apple
>> > > > > polishing you speak of? What do you know > about> > > > real
>> > apple
>> > > > > polishing? Look at what our people do with Hasina and> > > >
>> > > > Khaleda -
>> > > > > the puja, the worshipping, the polishing, the > malishing,> >
>>
>> > >
>> > > > the
>> > > > > thel dhalano, the chamchagiri.. It is record breaking! We > >
>> > > > could> > >
>> > > > > > turn it into an export industry! But you won't mention that
>>
>> > > > will > >
>> > > > > > you.> > > > That's too uncomfortable. Far easier to talk
>> > about me
>> > > > and
>> > > > > my> > > > handshake.> > > > > > > > And what is this pity you
>> > feel?
>> > > > What
>> > > > > do you know about real > pity?> > > > Where is your pity for
>our
>> > > > people
>> > > > > who are made fools of by> > > > politicians year after year
>> > with lie
>> > > > > after lie? Where is your > pity> > > > for a democracy where
>> > > > democracy
>> > > > > ONLY means that political > > operatives> > > > are allowed to
>> > do
>> > > > > anything they want? Where is your pity for a> > > > democracy
>> > where
>> > > > if
>> > > > > you challenge the leader of your party your > > house> > > >
>> > gets
>> > > > burned
>> > > > > down? You won't speak of such uncomfortable truths. > > Far> >
>> > > >
>> > > > > easier to talk about me wishing the General well.> > > > > > >
>> > > You
>> > > > > should wish him well too. For because of him the voter > rolls
>> > > > >
>> > > > > will> > > > be more accurate than ever before. The voting
>booths
>> > > > will be
>> > > > > > more> > > > secure than ever before. The vote count will be
>> > more
>> > > > > legitimate > > than> > > > ever before. The voters will be
>safer
>> > > > than
>> > > > > every before. Your > > dream> > > > will come true - you will
>> > have
>> > > > your
>> > > > > free and fair election > between> > > > corrupt parties.> > >
>>
>> > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > I don't dream of a future where unelected, unaccountable >
>> > > > officials> >
>> > > > > > > are forced to act because of the stupidity of elected > >
>> > > > > politicians. I> > > > dream of a future where AL and BNP
>behave
>> > like
>> > > > > proper democratic> > > > parties in a modern Bangladesh. And
>the
>> > > > CTG has
>> > > > > done more to > > achieve> > > > that than the Central
>> > Committees of
>> > > > AL
>> > > > > or BNP. People who slam > the> > > > CTG and claim to be
>neutral
>> > > > never
>> > > > > ever talk about AL and BNP. > If > > > they> > > > did then
>they
>> > > > would
>> > > > > be really making a difference.> > > > > > > > Look at our
>> > country.
>> > > > Be
>> > > > > honest. We have far more to pity than > > Moeen> > > > and
>> > > > Fakhruddin
>> > > > > and dreamers like me.> > > > > > > > By the way - who do you
>> > think I
>> > > > > should vote for? Hasina or > > Khaleda?> > > > Why? Convince
>me
>> > > > without
>> > > > > insulting me : )> > > > > > > > Best wishes> > > > > > > >
>> > Ezajur
>> > > > > Rahman> > > > Kuwait> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>
>> > >
>> > > > > ---
>> > > > > In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "saeedurrehman92"> > > >
>> > > > <saeedurrehman92@>
>> > > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Mr. Ejazur> > > > >> >
>>
>> > > >
>> > > > > Thousand and one congratulations on your one of the biggest> >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > achievements. I hope you have not washed your hands after > >
>> > > > shaking >
>> > > > > > > it> > > > > with Gen. Moeen's hand. You must preserve the
>> > scent
>> > > > of
>> > > > > him on > > > your> > > > > hands. The future definitely
>belongs
>> > to
>> > > > you
>> > > > > because you > shaked > > > hands> > > > > with one the
>greatest
>> > > > > personality on earth.> > > > >> > > > > I really don't feel
>bad
>> > > > feel bad
>> > > > > when I read a writing like > > this.> > > > Nice> > > > >
>piece
>> > of
>> > > > apple
>> > > > > polishing. I, however, feel pity for a nation > in> > > >
>> > which> >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > people like this exists.> > > > >> > > > > Saeed> > > > >> > >
>> > > >>
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" <ezajur.rahman@>
>> > > >
>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Alochoks> > > > > >> > > > >
>>
>> > > > > Yesterday I had the privilege and the honour of shaking the >
>>
>> > > > hand> >
>> > > > > > > of> > > > > > General Moeen U Ahmed. He is on an official
>> > visit
>> > > > to
>> > > > > Kuwait.> > > > Whilst> > > > > > he was largely surrounded by
>> > > > people who
>> > > > > supported the CTG > and > > > who> > > > > > were showering
>him
>> > with
>> > > > > their views I got the opportunity on> > > > behalf> > > > > >
>> > of all
>> > > > > supporters of the CTG to wish him good health, long > > life>
>>
>> > > >
>> > > > and>
>> > > > > > > > > > continued success. He reiterated that the nation
>> > needed
>> > > > an> >
>> > > > > > > election> > > > > > in December 2008.> > > > > >> > > > >
>>
>> > > > Moeen U
>> > > > > Ahmed and Dr Fakhruddin are great men and I remain> > > >
>> > > > defiantly> > >
>> > > > > > > > supportive. Becasue of such men we know that change is >
>>
>> > > > > possible.> > > > > > Because of such men even politicians now
>> > > > believe
>> > > > > that > change > > is> > > > > > possible. That change, so
>> > > > desperately
>> > > > > needed, must finally > be> > > > decided> > > > > > by our
>> > > > politicians.
>> > > > > But there is no doubt that it is these > > men > > > who> > >
>>
>> > > >
>> > > > > threw the ball back in the pitch. Lets all pray that the >
>> > teams> >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > play> > > > > > sincerely.> > > > > >> > > > > > And for those
>> > who
>> > > > think
>> > > > > that standing next to Hasina or > > Khaleda> > > > is a> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > greater privilege than shaking the hand of Dr Yunus, Dr> > > >
>> > > > > Fakhruddin or> > > > > > General Moeen U Ahmed - even if your
>> > dreams
>> > > > > come true, the > > > future> > > > > > still does not belong
>to
>> > > > you.> >
>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Ezajur
>Rahman>
>> > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Kuwait> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In
>> > > > > alochona@yahoogroups.com, Faruque Alamgir > > faruquealamgir@>
>> > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > IDIOTS ALWAYS THNKS THEM AS
>THE
>> > > > > GREATEST INTELIGENT SO > THE > > > CASE> > > > > > WITH OUR
>> > > > > FRIEND....................................> > > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Faruque Alamgir> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Salahuddin Ayubi
>> > > > s_ayubi786@>
>> > > > > > > > > > wrote: Fakahruddin's speech> > > > > > was an
>> > excellent
>> > > > one.
>> > > > > Why nitwits like yourself criticise > him > > is> > > > > >
>> > beyond
>> > > > my
>> > > > > comprehension. Instead of using a very famous > man's > > >
>> > name> >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > as your mask why dont you appear in your own name. You
>are>
>> > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > disgracing a great man. You with your level of intelligence
>>
>> > >
>> > > > will>
>> > > > > > > > > > never reach anywhere near what the great man
>achieved
>> > in
>> > > > his>
>> > > > > > > > > > lifetime. Stop bullshitting and misguiding people. I
>> > do
>> > > > not >
>> > > > > > feel> > > > > > that the country is safe in the hands of our
>> > kind
>> > > > of >
>> > > > > > > politicians,> > > > > > most of whom do not have the basic
>> > > > education
>> > > > > behind them. > Era> > > > shobai> > > > > > foot pather neta.
>> > bhalo
>> > > > > kichu bojhar ba korar shamortho eder> > > > > > akebarei nei.>
>> > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > .> > > > > > > Salahuddin Ayubi> > > > > > >> > > > > > >
>---
>> > On
>> > > > Tue,
>> > > > > 5/13/08, mahathir of bd wouldbemahathirofbd@ > > > wrote:> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > > > From: mahathir of bd wouldbemahathirofbd@> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > Subject: [Dahuk]: Thanks Fakhruddin - you have made us > >
>> > laugh >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > by> > > > > > your sermon> > > > > > > To:
>> > > > tritiomatra@yahoogroups.com,
>> > > > > chottala@yahoogroups.com,> > > > > > khabor@yahoogroups.com,
>> > > > > dahuk@yahoogroups.com,> > > > > > vinnomot@yahoogroups.com,
>> > > > > alochona@yahoogroups.com,> > > > > >
>> > > > notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com >
>> > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, May 13, 2008, 7:11 AM> > > > > > >> >
>> > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > তুমি কর
>মঈনুE¦°>
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > > > লুE¦œà§à§œà¦¬à§E¦¤à§à¦¤à¦¿
>> > > ঁE¦°> >
>> > > > > > > > লুE¦•à¦šà¦¾à¦°> > > > > >
>> > > > >
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>> > > > > না> > > > > করার> > > > > >
>জন্য
>> > > ।>
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>>
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>> > > > >
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>>
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>> > >
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