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Tuesday, June 24, 2008

[ALOCHONA] Re: Parasites cannot run the country: Khaleda Zia

Dear Alochok Sajjad

Wow! Quoting Khaleda!

Please keep us posted of similar gems reflecting the intelligence and
clarity of Khaleda's mind.

I'm sure you have learned a lot from her - perhaps I could learn
something too. Help me to open my mind to the blessings of Begum
Khaleda Zia. Help me to embrace Harris Chowdhury and Falu just as she
has done. How did you manage to embrace them? Is it through deep
spiritual cleanising? I have so much to learn.

Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Sajjad Hossain <shossain456@...>
wrote:
>
> In her first appearance in the Court on Sunday, the former Prime
Minister said that Parasites Cannot Run the Country referring to the
CTG. For details see:
>

http://www.bdnews24.com/home.php
>

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[ALOCHONA] Re: Dr Yunus: 2nd in Top 20 Public Intellectuals in Earth

Dear Alochok Shamim

Greetings toyou from sunny Kuwait!

It is indeed important to keep a clear perspective and thank you for
the timely reminder.

In this case however there is no question of demoralisation as the
thinking is already in the right direction.

Its a good sign that Dr Yunus scores well in strong polls and in wak
polls :)

Its a good sign that Dr Yunus scores well in a poll driven by voters
from Muslim countries :)

Its a good sign that we can rest assured that Dr Yunus is already on
many UN lists :)

The tragedy is that there is no polling on the intellectual abilities
of Hasina or Khaleda!!! Though Hasina would beat Khaleda because she
has a degree. Oh man! Our standards are high in Bangladesh!

Have a nice day

Regards

Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait


--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Md. Shamim Iqbal" <shmm777@...>
wrote:
>
> dear mr. haroon,
>  
> we all are happy to know that some one from BD stood ahead among
others, but let us not be so enthusiastic. surely the people on the
list are intellectuals, however, my obsevations are,
>  
> 1. this is not the list by UN.
> 2. you may find a number of such polls by different organizations
(.......on the western front)
> 3. 12 out of 20 on the list are muslims (including first 10),
suddenly muslim got recognised ahead of others???
> 4. only 500,000 votes in a poll to select top intellectuals of the
world??? if you organise a poll to select the better one among our 2
lady leaders, you will have more votes from BD only.
>  
> above is not to demoralize anyone and is just to let us think in
the right direction.
>  
> regards
>  
> md. shamim iqbal
>
> --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Haroon@... <Haroon@...> wrote:
>
> From: Haroon@... <Haroon@...>
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Dr Yunus: 2nd in Top 20 Public Intellectuals in
Earth
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 1:40 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Alochoks,
>
> Following news published today in the newspaper. Please read on.
>
> Nobel laureate Prof Muhammad Yunus was voted second in the top 100
> intellectuals of the world in a global poll hot on the heels of the
> University of Cambridge selecting him in its list of top 50 global
thought
> leaders.
>
> Yunus, chairman of Grameen Bank, came second to a little-known
Turkish
> Islamic scholar, Fethullah Gulen, who won the survey organised
jointly by
> Prospect, a British magazine and Foreign Policy, a US publication,
reports
> British newspaper the Guardian.
>
> The survey attracted 500,000 votes.
>
> For the details review please click the link below:
>
> http://www.foreignp olicy.com/ story/cms. php?story_ id=4349
>
> Salute to Dr Mohammad Yunus!!
>
> Haroon Rashid
> Chittagong
>

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[mukto-mona] Torture in Hyderabad - Seema Mustafa

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Torture in Hyderabad
Seema Mustafa
It was 3 September 2007. Abdul Rahim was just finishing dinner with his family when two persons in civilian clothes came and asked him to step out. They led him to an auto, and after a short journey pushed him into a car. Four others were there. He was blindfolded and taken to a police station.
They began interrogating him till the early hours of the morning. They wanted to know whether he had been involved in the twin blasts that had paralysed Hyderabad. They tied his hands, made him lie down and started hitting him on the soles of his feet with a belt. The pain was excruciating. They pulled his beard repeatedly, taking out tufts of hair. They asked him to give names of those who were with him in planning the bomb blasts in Hyderabad. They spoke filth against his religion and his family. The torture that carried on for three days in his case became secondary to the humiliation.
"I thought they were going to kill me, I thought they had killed the others. I was not allowed to sleep for three days and nights. Even now when I think of it I tremble with fear, I cannot sleep," Abdul Rahim says as his old father, a former government employee, cries quietly beside him. His parents cannot forget the week after. "No one told us where he was, whether he was dead or alive, we only got to know when a journalist came and told us that our boy was in jail," his father said. His mother remembers when she saw him, "His face was all swollen. He could not speak. I am a heart patient, I thought I would die."
Abdul was produced before the magistrate after three days. He was in jail for five months and ten days until he was released on bail.
His life is ruined. He was the only bread earner of the family. He drove a rented autorickshaw. No one is willing to hire him now. He was engaged to be married, but the girl's family backed out after the arrest. There is no money to pay the rent for the tiny two-room house. They are in deep debt. There is no furniture. There is a certain desolate look in his eyes, he is still in shock. He has to report before the courts twice a week. "It takes the entire day, I cannot even look for work, no one will allow me two days' off a week," he says quietly.
He has not been booked in the bomb blasts case. There is no evidence.
M
ohammad Shakeel is not at home. He does not want to meet us. He is too scared, under grave threat. His paralysed father is sitting in the tenement, eyes wide, registering fear as he looks at us quietly. Shakeel's mother, Ashabi speaks reluctantly. Two persons in civilian clothes picked up the boy. The family did not know for days where he was. Someone told them after a long time that he was in jail. He is out on bail now, without a job as no one wants to employ him. There is little food in the house for them to eat. What Ashabi did not tell us, even as tears trickled down her face, was that Shakeel was kept in police detention for 21 days without being produced before a magistrate. His hands were tied and he was hung from the ceiling. Heavy weights were placed on his knees, while hefty men pinned his shoulders down. He was given electric shocks on his temples, penis and chest. He fell unconscious repeatedly, but they would pull him out and after a short break resume the "treatment" again.
He has not been booked in the bomb blasts case. There is no evidence.
A
rshad Ali Khan's face has no expression. It is as if he is speaking about someone else, not about himself. But as he continues, his hands start trembling, and the horror of the days in detention is reflected in his eyes.
It was 2 September 2007. Two men banged on the door, came in and took him away. No one could protest. His father is paralysed and a heart patient. "Bahut ghabrahat ho rahi thi," was the only sentence he spoke to us. Arshad's mother Mehrunisa said they had no word of their son for two weeks or more. They heard he was in jail from another family, not from the police.
Arshad says they took him to a city office blindfolded, then to what is referred to by most of the boys as a "farmhouse" on the outskirts of Hyderabad. "In the day they would question me; at night they would drink and start beating me on the soles of my feet. They tied my hands and hung me for two to three minutes, I almost fainted with the pain. They would give electric shocks every day on different parts of my body. I became unconscious many times, and even later there were burn marks on my chest, thighs, near the ears. I could smell burning flesh. I heard screams from other boys in the building, they kept asking me to name others, to admit that I was involved," he says in a voice devoid of emotion, face deadpan except for the eyes. He was taken for narco tests, twice. He does not know the results, but guesses they could get no evidence from these.
He has not been booked in the bomb blasts case. There is no evidence.
M
aulana Abdul Aleem Islahi is a walking tragedy. Originally from Azamgarh, Uttar Pradesh, he made Hyderabad his home decades ago. A learned man — his room is full of books — he is restrained in his dignity. There is an air of resignation around him, as he narrates the story but without a word of protest or acrimony.
It was 2004. His eldest son Mujahid had accompanied a well-known cleric of the locality — Maulana Nasiruddin who was on the watch-list of the Andhra and Gujarat police — to the police station. The Maulana was described as a bad element by the police — although the local people insist his only crime was his courage to protest against the atrocities committed by the police — and had been called to the police station. The Gujarat police was lying in wait and nabbed Nasiruddin. The young Islahi protested, and as the story in the streets of Hyderabad goes, one of the policemen took out his gun and shot the young man dead at point blank range. The police does not deny the death, but claims that Islahi tried to take the Maulana, along with others, out of the van. This is vehemently denied by all those aware of the incident, including another eyewitness who has been targeted by the police.
On 5 March 2008, Maulana Islahi was sitting in his little room from where he could see outside. His younger and only surviving son, an engineering student, Mohtasim was sitting with some friends outside. "They came in a car, they just picked him up, pushed him into the car and left. I ran out but they had disappeared. In the evening we went to the police station but they gave us no information," the Maulana said. It was several days later that they were told he was in jail by an acquaintance, but while his sisters have been to meet him, his father cannot bear it and has decided not to go. Huma, Mohtasim's sister, said she found him to be mentally distressed. He was tortured in police custody, as they repeatedly wanted him to confess to participating in the blasts. But what has become worse for a family that believed in educating their children and living a quiet and decent life, is that the police has been visiting the locality where they live and as Huma said, "They go to the families and say that Mohtasim has named you, and now everyone is very upset with us."
This was not so in the beginning, as the family was very popular. In fact, after news of Mohtasim's arrest broke, 30 women of the locality went to the police station to protest. They were lathicharged, arrested and detained for an entire night before they were produced before a magistrate the next morning and released. Two babies were also kept in detention with their mothers.
 
To protest is a crime. Ibrahim Ali Junaid had held a press conference along with others after the Mecca Masjid blast in Hyderabad where dozens had died in the attack, and at least six to seven persons had been killed by police firing. Hundreds of Muslim youth were detained. This placed him on the police watch list, although Junaid is a student of Unani medicine with a clean record.
On 3 September 2007, he had just returned from Delhi where he had gone to attend a university seminar. He went straight to the hostel to put his luggage. Two men, again in civilian clothes, emerged, tied his hands and pushed him into a car. "If you speak we will kill you," they said as they blindfolded him. After a two-hour drive they reached a "farmhouse" and started questioning him. He could hear the voices and screams of others. Late at night they stripped him and the torture began. "They started hitting me with a belt … and kept asking why I had held a press conference… They made me recite the Quran as they knew I was a Hafiz, and then hit me whenever I spoke. They beat me mercilessly at regular intervals and after a day started giving me electric shocks on my ears, temples, lips, private parts. I would become unconscious…" As Junaid spoke in a monotone, his mother, sitting beside him, shuddered. His father could barely contain his anger, but admitted his complete helplessness.
The police kept telling him to accept responsibility for the bomb blasts. "They pulled my legs wide open, placed weights on them, pressed down on my shoulders. I don't know how I survived those days," Junaid says. In six days there was blood in his urine, he was running temperature and "I knew if I died, they would put it down to an encounter". He was then taken before the magistrate, and put in jail from where he has just been released on bail after just over five months. "One night they took us somewhere, blindfolded, and took us out and said say your prayers, we were sure we were going to be killed that night…"
He has not been booked in the bomb blasts case. There is no evidence.
R
aeesuddin Khan's crime was that he was witness to the murder of Mujahid Islahi, Maulana Islahi's unfortunate son. On 31 August 2007 a large car with six persons came to his house. He was picked up, blindfolded and after about an hour's drive they reached a building. His was the same story — five days of continuous beating, electric shocks. "I gave them names of maybe 100 persons, all I could think of to get away from the pain, but they carried on. I thought all the other boys were dead, they made me believe that. One night they took me out blindfolded, they asked me to say my prayers, I could hear shots being fired, I thought I was next…"
His mother, a widow, Zaheera Begum said she was beside herself with worry. She had no idea where her son was. Friends informed her that he was in jail many days after he had been taken away. The hair from his beard had all been pulled out, he was passing blood in his urine, she says. He was taken for narco tests, and that has now left him with a permanent headache and allergies that are being treated. He is suffering from memory loss. He was also taken to Delhi by the CBI. "They were very nice, very polite, they took me there and dropped me back," he says. He looks haunted, his eyes are full of tears, more when another person tells us that his mother keeps very unwell now, has high blood sugar. "I am so scared," her voice trembles, "for both my sons. They can pick them up any day."
He has not been booked in the bomb blasts case. There is no evidence.
 
 
Iqbal Begum runs into the room breathless. "Where is he, have you found him?" she asks. Her eyes dull when she is told that she had been contacted for an interview, not because the contact person had found her son. She dissolves into tears, and takes out faded newspaper clippings as she tells her story. Her son Farhan had once been involved in some localised dispute over a mosque. The police had picked him up and kept him in custody for three days. He could not walk after the beatings, was put in jail for 15 days and then released on bail. A few days later, at 2 a.m. men came in civilian clothes when everyone was sleeping, and took Farhan away. He sold vegetables for a living. His father died a month after he was taken away. They have not seen the boy since.
T
here is terror in the localities targeted by the police. Sullen youth look at you and turn away. Families are reluctant to talk. After the twin blasts on 25 August 2007 the police rounded up over a hundred young men from the poor and predominantly Muslim localities of Hyderabad. A top police official admitted to "70". Many were interrogated and beaten in police custody, and released without ever being brought before a magistrate. There is no record of this number. About 30 were formally arrested by the police after illegal custody and torture, six or seven are still in jail and the others have been released on bail. They all spent over five months in prison. They remain fearful of being picked up again. "What will we do, they might kill my boy now," the families say as if in a chorus.
Civil rights activists in the city say that the accounts of torture under Rajashekhar Reddy's government in Andhra Pradesh rival those emerging from the prisons in Iraq. The governments at the Centre and the state, despite numerous petitions and fact-finding reports, have not responded. In fact the story itself would not have penetrated the walls of the old city had it not been for an Urdu newspaper, Daily Siasat. The managing editor of the newspaper, Zaheeruddin Ali Khan said that they were convinced that the accounts were completely true, and without intending it to be so, the story became a campaign that angered the administration but did not elicit any action. The Police Commissioner at the time, Balwinder Singh, now cooling his heels in Delhi as he was transferred to get out of the heat, even called the editors to convince them that the police had a case, but did not succeed as the evidence otherwise was overwhelming. The English media ignored the story.
Civil rights activists took up the issue. Nirmala Gopalakrishnan, K. Anuradha, Mohammad Afzal formed a fact finding committee on the arrests after the twin bomb blasts in Hyderabad on 25 August 2007. They found, and the other civil rights activists in Hyderabad confirmed, that any number of petitions had been sent to the President of India, to the Governor of Andhra Pradesh, to the Chief Minister and the state Home Minister, to the National Human Rights Commission, to the state and Central minority commissions and to Congress president Sonia Gandhi. The young men arrested had also sent a letter to the authorities — including the Prime Minister and Mrs Sonia Gandhi — recounting their tales of horror and seeking redressal. Every Constitutional door has been knocked at, but the state government has managed to kill the story and protect its back.
The state minority commission on its own decided to send a team to inquire into the reports. Chairperson Yusuf Qureshi appointed leading advocate L. Ravichander and forensic expert Dr M. Reddy who visited the jail and met the young people. Mrs Gopalakrishnan and Mr Chander both told Covert that they were absolutely horrified at what they heard and saw. The advocate said that he found that the boys were speaking the truth as he spoke to them individually and then met their families. "The accounts were the same, and there was a ring of truth to all that they told us, they had been tortured," he said. He saw marks on their bodies and was surprised to find that many of them had been sent for narco tests to Bangalore which he said "were illegal as the law does not permit you to give evidence against yourself". A top police officer of the state who was directly involved in the arrests, but did not want to be quoted, admitted that the issue was in the Supreme Court and the evidence of narco analysis was not admissible in court. He said that the tests were carried out to ascertain whether any of those arrested knew more than they had revealed.
The state minorities commission submitted a report confirming the torture. After that Mr Qureshi has been completely marginalised by the state government. His staff has been taken away, many have not received their salaries, and he is just sitting back until his term expires in March next year. The National Minorities Commission also sent a team and interviewed the boys. The report notes the violations, but plays down the role of the Congress government. The activists' fact finding committee found that every law had been violated by the state government and the police. Those arrested were not permitted to inform their family of their arrest, nor did the police inform their relatives within the stipulated 24 hours. They were not produced before the court or within the mandatory 24 hours of being picked up, with most reporting a delay of six to ten days. Many of those detained did not have charges booked against them, were kept in police custody and released after several days without being taken to court. Some of the detainees and suspects who have been released were reported as absconding by the police, with their families and friends pointing out to this correspondent that this was usually the precursor to an encounter death. Mohtasim Bilal, for instance, was reported absconding although he was with his family. The civil rights groups then arranged for him to be present at a press conference addressed by the well-known Ram Jethmalani in the city. It was only after this that the police arrested him, with his family pointing out that this was better than finding him dead one day.
 
Abdul Majid and Mohammad Shakeel were picked up on 31 August and 8 September 2007 respectively. The police announced their arrest only on 29 September at Kachiguda when they were produced in court. Abdul Majid continues to be in jail, and others who met him told the fact finding committee that he was subjected to terrible physical torture. His legs and hands were so swollen that the handcuffs could not be removed. He was vomiting blood. He was given electric shocks repeatedly, and one of the relatives of another family told Covert that the soles of his feet were literally hanging. He was punished for being the brother of a wanted youth, Shahid Bilal, who is reportedly absconding. Shakeel who was also tortured extensively is a friend of Majid. "I just can't believe how well the government has covered this up and has taken no action," Nirmala Gopalakrishnan said.
The police official insisted that they had identified "sleeper cells" and as a routine kept watch over the members. The boys who were arrested, he insisted, were members. Why did you not book them for the blasts? "We are looking for the RDX. Three kilograms were used in the blasts, we have to find the remaining. Once we find this we can get them all," he said. Why were they tortured? That is their story, he said with not a trace of remorse. Presently most of them have been booked under charges such as conspiring in a graveyard and distributing anti-state CDs. A civil rights activist, Latif Mohammad Khan, who has been very active in petitioning the authorities and getting the boys released on bail, has come on the police watch list. Latif knows this, and the police officer confirmed it. "You must have met this Latif, he is HUJI," he said. How do you know that? We have the evidence, was the expected reply. Civil rights activists recognise Latif as a conscientious man, pointing out that he has encouraged the boys to seek justice within the law — through the courts and petitions — and not outside it.
The activists point out that "there is urgent need to allay the sense of insecurity and fear that is growing in the Muslims, particularly the youth". Mr Chander said that the police action and the government's indifference were pushing the youth towards alienation. Meetings are being held by the different groups and concerned individuals to prevent this, but the Congress government remains indifferent and in a state of total denial.


With Regards

Abi

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[ALOCHONA] two children - ha .. ha ..

The Fakrudding Government tortured two children of Begum Zia in such a way that rest of their lives they would be bed-ridden or in the Wheel Chair (SH).

 

Oh ... No ...


These two grown ups are no children!

They are minions - unleashed and unhecked.

 

They definitely are not "Faltu Looke".
They are "Kuti-Kuti-Poti" sons of a former general who used to wear "Chera Genji".

They were the self-anointed "Raj-Puttur" of an ex-PM who treated the country like a "Jomidari" ..

 

If only 10% of what is reoprted in news papers are correct, they deserve no wheel chair either ...

 

Sorry Mr. SH, I am not very concerned about the fate of two rotten Raj Puttur.

 

Well, they had their days - is nit it?

 

M. Zaman

 

 

 

 

 

 


 


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[mukto-mona] Obama's other Muslim problem

Obama's other Muslim problem
 By Mark Levine, Middle East historian
Barack Obama, the Democrats' presidential candidate, speaks at a town hall meeting at Kaukauna High School, Wisconsin on June 12 [GALLO/GETTY]
As soon as Barack Obama rose to the top of the field of Democratic presidential contenders, he developed a "Muslim problem" based on false accusations that he is, or once was, a Muslim.
There is little doubt that these accusations will be raised again, however unfairly, when Obama squares off against John McCain, the Republican presidential candidate, in November's election.
But if we were to assume that Obama overcomes this and other obstacles to win his historic bid for the White House, a far more serious Muslim problem awaits "President" Obama: A majority of the world's 1.4 billion Muslims have an utter lack of trust in the US.
Senator Obama's experience of living in a Muslim country (Indonesia, where he attended school during his childhood), along with his relative youthfulness and message of hope, have the potential to heal this rift, however.
He has the merits which can energise young Muslims in the same way he has inspired millions of young Americans.
Comprehensive changes required
But this potential will not easily be realised, partially because of the ill-advised policies of the Bush administration and their impact on the Muslim world.
Most of the Generations X, Y Muslims I know, from Morocco to Pakistan, will not be swayed by Obama's lofty rhetoric unless it is backed by comprehensive changes in US foreign policy.
Indeed, the young and educated citizens of the Muslim majority world are more politically sophisticated and historically knowledgeable of Washington's foreign policy than their generational cohorts in the US.
They feel deeply and negatively impacted by these policies as they try to find coherence and stability in the increasingly chaotic post-9/11 landscape.
Islamic demographics
How can Obama reach Islam's most crucial demographic - the young and passionate?
Muslim youth are not one homogeneous entity but comprise a remarkable diversity.
From the Saudi teenagers who listen to Britney Spears to those who are swayed by the farewell messages of female suicide bombers; the Egyptian metalheads who spend Friday afternoons at the mosque and Friday evenings playing Black Metal; and the graduate students in Islamabad whose Talibanesque appearance is belied by their study of Hebrew and the latest theories of comparative religion.
While it is heartening to hear Obama tell young people around the world "You matter to us. Your future is our future. And our moment is now," it is not at all clear that his presidency would seize that moment to implement a mutual drive across the Muslim world.
In the US today merely to advocate talking with our adversaries is considered radical. But the students, activists, religious figures and artists who are struggling against the robust authoritarianism that dominates the Muslim world want action.
What Obama must do
The senator from Illinois must stop offering political, economic and military support to repressive governments who torture political prisoners, discourage economic and political reform, and censor Facebook, YouTube and other key nodes of the emerging Muslim public and cultural spheres.
He must push to get US forces out of Iraq, now. And, perhaps more importantly, Obama must hold all the countries of the Middle East - including Israel - to one standard.
Would a President Obama satisfy any of these demands? Not likely. Obama locates the root of the region's woes solely inside it, "emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam".
He is unwilling to even question the role and impact of US Middle East policy in analysing the region's problems.
He will not offer even mild criticism of Israel while wholeheartedly endorsing Tel Aviv's refusal to consider granting Palestinian sovereignty over any part of East Jerusalem,  which forecloses any possibility for peace.
It becomes difficult to see how such views would enable the kind of "aggressive diplomatic effort" across the region the senator calls for.
Talking to Iran
Will Obama sit for talks with the Iranian leadership if he becomes president? [EPA]
Moreover, Obama's much debated willingness to talk to Iran is undercut by his support for implementing confrontational policies.
For example, he supported designating the Revolutionary Guards as a terrorist organisation and pushing for increased sanctions against the Islamic Republic -before even sitting down with its leadership.
Most importantly, Obama hedges his pledge to remove US forces from Iraq, refusing to commit to a full withdrawal of US troops while calling for a large expansion of the ranks of the active duty military.
This suggests that as president, Obama would continue and even increase US military engagements in the region, against the wishes of the vast majority of its inhabitants.
Luckily, a burgeoning coalition of people across the Middle East - in particular, the younger generation - are not waiting for "President" Obama, or anyone else, to save them.
American activist youths
A growing activist community, religious and secular together, is challenging the sclerotic politics of their governments and the resistance identities of Islamist extremism - in cyberspace, in the emerging media sphere, and when possible on the streets - with a positive, peace, justice and development oriented Islam.
But this is not the "moderate" Islam preferred by American policy-makers. Rather, it is based on a radical critique of the status quo - of US global economic and military supremacy as much as of the self-inflicted problems of their societies.
If an Obama administration is unwilling or unable to break free of the geopolitical and economic priorities that have long determined US Middle East policy, it will be up to the young Americans who helped elect him to join their counterparts across the Muslim world in demanding that their leaders finally walk the talk of peace, democracy and equitable development.
If they do, an Obama White House could preside over the birth of a new and more positive relationship between the US and the Muslim world.
The views expressed by the author are not necessarily those of Al Jazeera.
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RE: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh could disappear entirely by end of century: NASA

Could anyone post the NASA study that shows 25 Meters of sea level rise. Thanks in advance.


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Subject: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh could disappear entirely by end of century: NASA

Melting polar ice caps could cause sea levels to rise by up to 25 metres, causing Bangladesh to disappear entirely under water by the turn of the century, according to predictions of climate change by the US government's NASA space agency.

   One of the UK's prominent newspapers, the Independent, reported on Friday that the globally accepted models predicting gradual climate change could be underestimated according to Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
Titled 'Bangladesh is set to disappear under the waves by the end of the century,' the report attributes the grim prediction to Professor Jim Hansen, the director of the institute, 'whose climate calculations have proved to be more accurate than anybody else's', the report claims.

   The widely accepted prediction for Bangladesh issued by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the globally authoritative scientific body on climate change, suggests that Bangladesh could lose 17 per cent of its land mass and 30 per cent of its food production by the year 2050.

   The IPCC was a joint winner of last year's Nobel Peace Prize for its immense contribution to the world's understanding of the science of climate change.But the IPCC's predictions have recently been questioned by research which suggests that the pace of climate change is much more rapid than originally believed.

   'The 25-metre rise prediction is not one I have heard yet, but scientists are certainly revising their earlier predictions to accommodate a 6-8 metre rise in sea levels this century,' Mozaharul Alam, a research fellow at the Dhaka-based environment think-tank BCAS, told New Age on Sunday.

   According to Mozaharul, the original prediction by the IPCC dates from research completed in 2005, and does not completely take into account the additional warming of the earth's atmosphere caused by the melting of light-reflecting ice sheets, commonly known as the 'ice-albido effect'.

   A new study by Australian and US scientists revealed this month that the upper 700 metres of the world's oceans warmed at a rate 50 per cent faster in the last four decades of the 20th century than was reported in IPCC's 2007 report.

   Bangladesh is expected to be among the countries worst affected by rising global temperatures as a result of human-induced climate change, along with a handful of small island states.Scientists also predict that Bangladesh will experience rising frequency and intensity of extreme weather events like floods, droughts and tropical cyclones. Meanwhile, rising sea levels as a result of melting polar ice caps could submerge large swathes of the country's coastal belt and southern region.

   The latest prediction of a doomsday scenario for Bangladesh ties in with a 2003 US Department of Defence report which suggested that by 2020 'persistent typhoons and a higher sea level [will] create storm surges [and] cause significant coastal erosion, making much of Bangladesh nearly uninhabitable'.The report carries a disclaimer, however, that scientists consulted had cautioned that the report's predictions were 'too extreme'.

   The US defence department's report predicts border skirmishes and conflicts resulting from millions of displaced people in Bangladesh, India and China.The excessive use of fossil fuels by the industrialised nations is principally responsible for a build-up of 'greenhouse gases' in the earth's atmosphere which are trapping heat from the sun and causing global temperatures to rise.




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[mukto-mona] Marx's relevance

Rethinking Capitalism (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_21/c4085newsyoun886972_page_3.htm)

"Adam Smith is probably dead. Maybe it's time to revisit Karl Marx." Those words were uttered not by some hidebound communist but by one of Turkey's most prominent capitalists, Ishak Alaton. The chairman of Alarko Holding, an $800 million conglomerate, is profiled in the May 4 issue of BusinessWeek Turkey. Alaton believes companies worldwide must do more to bridge the growing chasm between the haves and have-nots—and good works are not enough. To maximize their profits, businesses need to maximize the well-being of their own workers and consumers as a whole. Call it Alaton's spin on Das Kapital.


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[mukto-mona] Carter's warning

 
Twentynine years ago Jimmy Carter asked Americans to conserve energy.Today the speech, atleast in part, is relevant.Reproduced below is the same.
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Democrats Need to Learn to Sell Their Priorities By Julian E. Zelizer, Meg Jacobs 24 Jun 08 (http://www.washingtonindependent.com/view/energy-talk)
Almost 29 years ago, on July 15, 1979, President Jimmy Carter delivered what is considered one of the worst speeches of his career. Americans were struggling with an enormous energy crisis. The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries had jacked up prices again. A majority of gas stations in America did not have sufficient fuel, and those that did were charging far higher prices than one year before. Carter's energy plan, which took a long
time to pass Congress, had not calmed the roiling issue.

After meeting with all kinds of experts at Camp David, Carter gave a speech to millions of Americans. He implored citizens to accept that they lived in an age of limits. He called for self-sacrifice and diminished consumption.

While the speech might have touched on the real problems underlying the crisis, it was deemed a political failure. Critics complained that the president was lecturing the nation at a time he needed to be offering relief. Presidents should not give sermons but rather solutions. Newspapers were filled with op-ed pieces lambasting the president for blaming Americans for the problem.
Democratic proponents of new energy policies have been trapped in that July moment ever since. Even though these Democrats have continued to offer more accurate assessments of the energy challenges and focus on solutions more likely to end the crisis -- like conservation, an increase in fuel efficiency and the development of alternative energies -- oil friendly Republicans have regularly done a better job on the campaign trail at selling their ideas.
Since the 1970s, most members of the GOP have consistently offered two solutions to the energy problem: more drilling and more militarism. While these do little to offer immediate relief at the pump, they make sense to voters and seem to offer a clearer vision of what government can accomplishment.

Ever since the 1973 Arab embargo, many Republicans have pushed for more domestic drilling as one solution to the problem of insecure sources of high-priced oil. In his 1975 special message on energy and the economy, a year after the embargo had led to long gas lines and soaring prices, President Gerald R. Ford warned, "Americans are no longer in full control of their own national destiny, when that destiny depends on uncertain foreign fuel at high prices fixed by others."

More than three decades later, in his 2007 State of the Union Address, President George W. Bush echoed Ford. "For too long, our nation has been dependent on foreign oil. And this dependence leaves us more vulnerable to hostile regimes and to terrorists who could cause huge disruptions of oil shipments and raise the price of oil and do great harm to our economy."


From Ford through Bush II, the Republican solution for energy independence has been to make it easier for the oil industry to drill in the U.S. by offering subsidies, tax breaks and an easing of environmental restrictions. Since Bush took office in 2001, Republicans have pushed for increased oil exploration -- especially in the Arctic National Wildlife Reserve.

Even if they fail in Congress, their calls for greater supply sound better on the campaign trail than Carter-era appeals to cut back. As Bush said in the midst of the California energy shortage "you cannot conserve your way to energy independence. We can do a better job in conservation, but we darn sure have to do a better job of finding more supply." In a direct contrast to Carter and his cardigan-wearing pleas for conservation, Vice President Dick Cheney said, "Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue, but it is not a sufficient basis for a sound, comprehensive energy policy."

In addition to increasing domestic supply, the other GOP solution to securing more oil has been an increased military presence in the Persian Gulf. This has been a policy posture that many Democrats also accepted.


The drive began in the 1970s and 1980s, when Carter and Ronald Reagan increased the U.S. commitment to having military forces in the Persian Gulf region to protect oil resources. Washington worked with allies, ranging from Iraq to Saudi Arabia, who helped stabilize the supplies.

Democrats, as well as moderate Republicans who support new energy policies, have not done a good job framing the two main goals they pursue: search for renewable sources of energy and try to substantially reduce energy consumption.

Democrats will have to offer more in the short term than populist attacks on Big Oil that don't actually deliver cheaper prices at the pump. Energy-related issues have lagged behind other aspects of environmentalism, which have taken a deeper political hold since the 1970s -- like recycling or water quality control.

But there is evidence that we are in a moment of change. In certain respects, public opinion has outpaced political rhetoric. Even though Carter's speech was a flop, the environmental movement gradually influenced the way the public thought about issues like conservation of energy. With energy prices at extremely high levels, polls suggest that the public is more willing than ever to deal with environmental challenges.


Building on the work of the environmental movement, former Vice President Al Gore has helped to popularize the issue of global warming through his Oscar-winning film and advocacy. More Republican politicians have started to question the Bush approach to the energy crisis. National-security concerns have also broadened electoral interest in reducing energy dependence on the Middle East.

Even when the Republicans controlled Congress, the Bush team has not been able to get through a measure to open up the Arctic National Wildlife Reserve to drilling. Shifts in consumer attitudes and consumption have also helped citizens see practical steps toward reducing oil use. According to several recent reports, the high cost of fuel is persuading a large number of Americans to switch from Humvees and SUVs to smaller cars and even bicycles for daily commute. Mass transportation is experiencing stunning rider increases.

Yet environmentalists still have a long way to go. The alternative Republican solution still holds strong electoral appeal. The United States is a country defined by suburbanization, cars, big houses and the extravagant use of fuel. With all its progress, the environmental movement did not halt this trend.


Sen. John McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee, has, over the years, been more complex in his actual policy positions but he just recently embraced the traditional GOP response of calling for off-shore drilling. Sen. Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, will have to work on this challenge.


As in the 1970s, Americans are again frustrated with the rising price of oil. But Democrats need to work on how they frame and sell their policies -- or they could end up like Carter in 1979.


Meg Jacobs is an associate professor of history at MIT. She is writing a book on the energy crisis in the 1970s. Julian E. Zelizer is a professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University's Woodrow Wilson School. He is the co-editor of "Rightward Bound: Making America Conservative in the 1970s."
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It reflects my work with the Texas Democratic Party, the Progressive Populist Caucus, and the Oil Patch Democrats, but strictly my own views.
For immediate relief, I would follow the "infant industry" doctrine of subsidizing both alternative fuels and vehicles. Further, I would revert to common carriage principles of public utility regulation (without public indemnity for private folly).
And, finally, I would move slowly but boldly towards replacement of coal-fired boilers and obsolete reactors for electrical power generation and process-steam applications such as synthesizing clean or renewable fuels.
All of these can be popular policies anywhere but Washington, where propping-up declining industries, Soviet-style indirect taxation and monopoly rent-sharing, as well as Edwardian navalism are still the rule, even after the Great, World, and Cold Wars ended.
That cannot go on, but if Democratic populists cannot change anything, right wing extremists or populists will both generate and exploit the catastrophe it will take to do so after their own fashion.
jrbehrman
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Oil, Treason, & Republicans' Love of rape by Grand Moff Texan 19 Jun 08
Once upon a time, these things only happened to other people. 
Catastrophe capitalists would arrive in some third-world country you never heard of, engineer an artificial shortage of something or just start a war (that's the catastrophe part), then use that to create social unrest, then use the social unrest to install a friendly regime, and then use that regime to help rape the country (that's the capitalist part). 
Then, they did it to California.   
Now, they're doing it to America, and the Republicans are committing political suicide in supporting it.  Why? 
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[ALOCHONA] Ashraful says AL wants talks, not clashes

The Awamis have finally become civilized. Indeed a good news for our politics and country.
But I just want to know why did Awamis go for violence in October 2006 with Logi and Bhaitha and killed 11 people in one single day?
 
SH
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mahathir of bd <wouldbemahathirofbd@yahoo.com> wrote:
The two sons of zia don't need  sympathy from some overpatriotic NRB who see Bangladesh mostly through the eye of so called susils' daily ondhokar and comet. But this CTG by its inefficency,reactivism,corruption,nepotism and  torture has made pro-bangladeshi nationalist people more sympathetic to them and have united  bangladeshi nationalist more firmly than before.
 
Tareq portrayed as symbol of corruption  by the susil media has been made "symbol of tortured"by this CTG. CTG has also proved that Tareq is not as corrupt as protrayed  by the susil media. if he was corrupt, then his corruption would be enough for black hand behind the mask of CTG  to eliminate him from the politics of Bangladesh, CTG would not need to torture him to make physically disabled/
 
 
 
 As this CTG is playing faoul game, those who are  suffering from their foul game will also play faoul. So situation will not  and can not be  improved as expected by some reactive NRB who consider the faoul play of CTG as reform.
 
 Most of the supporters of this puppet CTG are now frustrated due to their failure in every sector and we don't find them in these forums to stand by the CTG.However, some blind supporters will remain supporters for life long but will be more frustrated seeing the backward movement   of Bangladesh by this CTG.
 
 Let us All ,who have understood the evil design of the black hand behind the mask of CTG, play our due role to minimize  damage to Bangladesh by resistingt he black hand.
 
Let us see how people think about corruption by this CTG from the 21 jun survey by the aily sangbad at http://www.thedailysangbad.com/index.php?date=2008-06-23&poll_result=yes
 
 
  

অদক্ষ তত্ববধায়কদের জন্য দেশের à¦ÂªÃ §Ã ¦°Ã ¦¤Ã ¦¿Ã ¦¦Ã ¦¿Ã ¦¨Ã §‡Ã ¦° ক্ষতি কত শত কোটি টাকা? আল্লাহ যাকে যখন ইচ্ছা ক্ষমতা দান করেন,মাইনাস টু ফরমুলায় তাই হাসেন ।


--- On Sun, 6/22/08, Raheem M. <raheemm1@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Raheem M. <raheemm1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Gen. Moeen in Kuwait and Mr Raheem
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 6:45 PM

Dear Mr. Hossain,

I am unable to share in your sympathies for the two sons of Khaleda or for the corrupt politicians and gundaas who were put behind bars.

What is important is that BNP and AL are energized by new leadership, by implementing accountability, meritocracy and internal democracy. I assume you are a member of one of these parties - and request that you urge them to begin this process. Ultimately these reforms will benefit themselves, the country and would cure my own "blindness".

- Raheem

--- On Thu, 6/19/08, Sajjad Hossain <shossain456@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Sajjad Hossain <shossain456@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Gen. Moeen in Kuwait and Mr Raheem
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 11:25 AM

Dear Mr Raheem,
 
Regarding the Dr Fakruddin and the CTG; you don't need to only steal money to be a corrupt. Loss of morality is the worst corruption which Mr Fakruddin and his government lost. If you allow few selected corrupt people (Sadek Hossain Khoka, Tofael Ahmed and many other so-called reformists) roam around for your political gain, then you really cannot claim you are honest or "Dhoa Tulsi Pata". There are strong cases against these people but they have are freely moving. Begum Zia and Sheikh Hasina were arrested before lodging any cases without any waarant. What kind morality is this? The CTG has destroyed economy and the institutions. Judges are working under coercion. Yesterday the Transparency International said that curruption was up compered to the previous political government. The Fakrudding Government tortured two children of Begum Zia in such a way that rest of their lives they would be bed-ridden or in the Wheel Chair. Now Dr Fakruddin is using them as "Turuper Tas" to create pressure on Begum Zia to bow out. Sorry, I cannot accept it as morality but you may because you are blind. A blind cannot differentiate between an Elephant and a Bird without touching them. I hope people like you would come to their consciusness before it is too late. You cannot undo a wrong thing by doing few more wrongs. Your support to this brutal CTG would only encourage to commit more crimes. Mr Fakruddin, Desher Daroan Gen. Moeen Uddin Ahmed have already turned the entire country into a GULAG.
 
SH
Toronto
 
 
 


"Raheem M." <raheemm1@yahoo. com> wrote:
Mr. Khundkar,

You cite interesting psychology - I'll have to read up on it. I hope you will share your thoughts on the psyche and psychology of the Bangladeshi - its interesting and certainly worth discussing.

Regarding your major point about failing to criticize emperors without clothes - I would gladly criticize such emperors. But we live in a universe where emperors of past were the only ones wearing clothes while the citizens were paraded in hunger and destitution.

The bar in our politics is so low that the mere thought of someone coming in and attempting to clean up the system is audacity beyond imagination. That is what I admire and my true feeling is that this work must come to its completion, which I estimate should take at least another 5 years and a certain level of brutal discourse.

- Raheem
New York



--- On Sun, 6/15/08, Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink .net> wrote:
From: Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink .net>
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Moeen U Ahmed in Kuwait
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 12:36 PM

Dear Mr. Saeed Rehman:
I think you have articulated very well for all of us who are becoming
increasingly dismayed at the level of discourse among Bengalis of our class,
the so-called educated, most successful etc, etc.

In most respects, notwithstanding small changes in nomenclature and names of
principals, the discourse has
remained wherever, it has been for the last two
hundred years or more. Whenenever a new govt comes a section of our
intelligentsia rise to become courtiers to the new order. Praising to high
heaven, singing odes, composing poems & making a fetish of small
differences* .

Very few people have the integrity/courage to tell the Emperor that he is not
wearing any clothes. Perhaps I am being unfair in singling out our fellow
Alochoks because it really goes beyond into our psyche as a nation. Freud would
have had a field day analyzing all of us.

Thanks again

Robin Khundkar

[To the last point on small differences, I recommend highly, a slim volume by
Sigmund Freud, "Civilization and Its Discontents" (1929-1930). Freud
introduces a concept of what he calls "Narcissm of Small
Differences" . It describes the manner in which our negative feelings are
sometimes directed at people who resemble us, while we
take pride from the
"small differences" that distinguish us from them] Source Wikepedia
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Narcissism_ of_small_ differences


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>From: saeedurrehman92 <saeedurrehman92@ yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jun 13, 2008 7:42 AM
>To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
>Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Moeen U Ahmed in Kuwait
>
>
>Dear Mr. Rahim
>
>I will not disagree with you at all. Theoretically and ideally you are
>right. But see what is practically happening. Some leaders in both the
>major parties started talking about reforms till 2 nethris went to jail.
>In my opinion, and I may be wrong, it was not at all required at that
>time to send them to jail. Either this action should have taken
>immediately after 1/11 or should have taken after making strong cases.
>What was the result of that? People even stopped talking
about reforms.
>All the public attention was diverted to the nethris. What happened to
>the reformists? The poor guys they found it difficult to save
>their skin. All these years what AL and BNP had been doing? If they were
>in Power they used all their means, foul or fair, to remain in power.
>And if they were in opposition, they did everything possible, foul or
>fair, to drag down the other party out of power. But Mr. Rahim, tell me
>honestly, is not the present junta doing the same thing. Do you think
>Hasina came out of jail on public pressure? Absolutely not. There is an
>underhand arrangement.
>
>Mr. Rahim you think that the present government should remain in power
>till the political parties in the country start practicing real
>democracy inside and outside etc.etc. I, also will tell you the same
>thing. But tell me, is there any sign of it in the last 16/17 months?
>Not at
all. With all due respect should I tell you that to learn
>swimming you have to get into waters. You can not first learn swimming
>and then get into waters. Even if I take your words does anybody have a
>time frame when our political parties will learn democracy and then we
>will have the election? Can our nation wait that long with the present
>stagnant economy?
>
>We need not to go far past; the recent history has a very bad record of
>Army rule at the least in South Asia. Look at every Army ruler, before
>relinquishing power, either they destroyed themselves or destroyed the
>nation or destroyed the both. Be it be Ayub, Yayha, Zia Huq, Zia Rahman,
>Irshad or for that matter Mushraff. There is no exception. Look deeply
>how all of them had to leave power. Of course, I want one exception. I
>want Moeen to leave power with honor and dignity. I only fear he will
>not. He has also
ambitions like others but unfortunately he does not
>posses those talents. I will not debate that what he did at juncture was
>right or wrong. I will not debate that he should have taken this step
>earlier. I believe he rose at the right moment. I also believe that
>enough is enough. Now is the time to say Good Bye.
>
>You know Army is considered the most disciplined organization in any
>country. We can afford the mistakes of others (specifically the
>political parties) but you can not at all at all afford the mistakes by
>Army. And one thing more the Army gets corrupted if it remains in
>civilian touch for a long time.
>
>With all due respect
>
>
>
>Saeed
>
>
>
>
>
>--- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "Raheem M." <raheemm1@...>
wrote:
>>
>> Dear Mr. Saeedurrehman,
>>
>> You wrote: "He (Gen.
Moeen) rose up a right moment. Now is time
for
>him to go back to his barracks. He had enough shake hands."
>>
>> I agree with you that Gen. Moeen rose up at the right moment. However
>I am not sure that the current government's work is finished.
>>
>> It is pure and simple - BNP + AL's politics have caused the
problems
>in the country and for themselves. No one is to blame except themselves.
>>
>> When they learn to practice real democracy (inside and outside), when
>they learn accountability, end dynastic politics, end corrupt practice,
>renounce hartal and violence, when they give to the country more than
>they take (loot?), kick out gundaas and mastaans from the party then it
>will be time for them to come back.Have they done any such thing in the
>last 2 years?
>>
>> The more I see the actions of BNP and AL - be it in power or out
of
>power, in Bangladesh or out of Bangladesh, I am convinced that these
>parties are completely destroyed from top to bottom. So then why should
>they run our country or even in election?
>>
>> So the next question is - if AL and BNP cannot run the country, then
>who will do it? I say -lets give the new power a chance - whoever they
>are. Give them a full term just like we gave to BNP and AL.
>>
>> I think the CTG and the Army has made mistakes - This is true. But if
>you tell me that BNP or AL is better than our current government - then
>you are 100% wrong. But if they make their parties better then they will
>get another chance for sure - because that is democracy. Until then,
>forget them - it is for the good of the country.
>>
>> - Raheem
>> New York
>>
>>
>> saeedurrehman92 saeedurrehman92@ ... wrote: Dear Mr.
Ejazur
>>
>> If is a person is sleeping you can wake him up. But you cannot wake up
>a person who is only pretending to be sleeping.
>>
>> Mr. Ejazur, it seems that you are interested to know my political
>identity. I remember in the past you have posed the same question to
>many others. Let me tell you that I like many others and unlike very
>handful, I call spade a spade. I will appreciate a person; let it be Tom
>or Harry, if he or she is doing well for the country. In the same token
>if someone in my opinion (mind you I said in my opinion, somebody may
>differ with me) has been other way around, I simply can not appreciate
>it. For example, I can appreciate Hussain Mohammad Irshad for improving
>the communication system in the country but cannot appreciate him for
>his other deeds. This is point many of us are trying to make. We don't
>try to justify the wrongs of
the politicians rather we are critical of
>them. But for some handful of people, good or bad Gen. Moeen is the
>best. They are trying to justify all his deeds and all his misdeeds. I
>again pose you the same question, nobody asked you that why the brave
>> Gen. choose Crowne Plaza for his meeting. (I think by this time he
>would have a retired Gen. had he not extended his tenure himself) You
>justify it by claiming that this is the cheapest 5 star hotel in Kuwait.
>Thanks God, hundred times that you did not claim that it was a free
>treat from Hotel Crowne Plaza. Who could have challenged if you had said
>so. You are so blind with the deeds or misdeeds of the Gen. that you
>think 200 is the smallest gathering. Man, who paid the bills. Of course
>it was paid by the Embassy of Bangladesh on Government of Bangladesh
>account. When Hasina was in Kuwait, such expenditures were borne by
AL
>affiliated businessmen. (These are your words not mine).
>>
>> I don't disagree that in the past hundred thousands of ordinary
>citizens were harassed because of their political opinions, with the
>lame excuse that they are criminals. But what about now? How many are
>put behind jails in the past few days fearing there may be an agitation
>in favor of any political party? What is the difference between the past
>and the present? Why we have to harp beautiful songs for this act of
>bravery?
>>
>> I know your limitations. I know you cannot apprehend the suffering of
>a common man. I understand you don't know the feelings of the man in
the
>street. But I believe you can still understand the present situation in
>the country by the electronic media which you have access to. See and
>read how many people have gone below the poverty level during the past
>15/16
months. These are not my words neither these are the words of any
>political party.
>>
>> I asked your identity because you were advising one gentleman to
>conceal his identity. That made your own identity doubtful. Otherwise,
>who cares you are neutral or neutered.
>>
>> You said it is simply a matter of getting a pass sponsored by either
>the VIP party or the host party to get in the VIP lounge of Kuwait
>Airport. You further said see how many party fruitcakes and party dalals
>turn up in the VIP lounge when an AL or BNP MP or Minister turns up. I
>pose you the same question, how many dalals of brave Gen. Moeen turned
>up at Kuwait Airport when he turned up.
>>
>> Even if I buy your words, a meal in Sheraton Kuwait will cost you
>maximum 20 KD. Even if I buy your word, a meal in Crowne Plaza will cost
>you minimum 1 KD. So you are buying a ticket to
Bangladesh with 19 KD. I
>can only pray for you.
>>
>> In the end I will tell you to look around yourself. Look at India.
>India prospered only because there was a political government. By the
>way the politicians in India were also corrupt. Look at Pakistan.
>Pakistan faltered because Pakistan was run mostly by brave Generals. Not
>only they were brave, their jehad was against corruption also.
>>
>> And remember one thing more, CIVILIZED WORLD LIKE CIVILIAN GOVERNMENT.
>We appreciate the bravery of Gen. Moneen. He rose up a right moment. Now
>is time for him to go back to his barracks. He had enough shake hands.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Saeed
>>
>>
>> --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ezajur" ezajur.rahman@
wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Alochok Saeed
>> >
>> > Our disagreement over hotels
is not about minimum standards - it
is
>> > about the highest standards. I said the Sheraton was the most
>> > prestigious hotel in Kuwait and you seek to cast doubt on me by
>> > deeming even this harmless statement to be either an exaggeration
or
>> > lie!
>> >
>> > The fact that nobody asked me why the Crowne Plaza was hired does
>not
>> > stop me from stating why it was hired. It was hired because it is
>the
>> > cheapest five star hotel in Kuwait.
>> >
>> > Under the nethri system lakhs of ordinary citizens are harassed
>> > because of their political opinions. People lose land, jobs,
legal
>> > protection, state protection, business opportunities etc just
>> > because they oppose the ruling party and its nethri. Be honest
about
>> > the condition of the country. I was not
writing about my own
>> > security I was advising others to be careful. You don't need
>to
>> > worry about your own security I think as long as you continue to
>diligently avoid talking real politics.
>> >
>> > Yes, I am very afraid of the possibility that a nethri might come
to
>> > power because I think it will be terrible for the country. You on
>the
>> > other hand, well I have no idea what you think… But you are
>probably
>> > a Nethrist…
>> >
>> > Sorry, what do you mean real identity? You don't even state
your own
>> > political views or your own identity but you go around
questioning
>> > other people's views and identities. It's so typical of
so many
>> > people nowadays who promote their own political agenda only by
>> > attacking others never explaining their own
positions and
>> > pretending to be neutral. Neutered is a better word than neutral.
>> >
>> > 200 is indeed a small gathering. God only knows what your idea of
a
>> > big gathering is! Though I'm sure if a better hotel was
chosen there
>> > would have been more room :)
>> >
>> > The brave General came to Kuwait on the invitation of the Kuwait
>Army
>> > to discuss issues relating to the Bangladesh Army personnel
serving
>> > in Kuwait. He, and the professional community here, took that
>> > opportunity to have a dialogue. Its simple.
>> >
>> > Accessing the VIP lounge is not a matter of sneaking in through
the
>> > back door it is simply a matter of getting a pass sponsored by
>> > either the VIP party or the host party. I think you know how easy
it
>> > is to get a pass
if you know the right people. See how many party
>> > fruitcakes and party dalals turn up in the VIP lounge when an AL
or
>> > BNP MP or Minister turns up :)
>> >
>> > I think Nizami should be tried for war crimes and would disagree
>with
>> > Mr Bhuiyan if he thought otherwise. I congratulate General Moeen
on
>> > at least showing the way that Nizami, on whatever grounds, can at
>> > least be arrested. The Nethris never had the courage, or the
>> > character, to do anything. The arrest of Nizami is not a ploy to
>> > divert attention. The public's demands for the trial of war
>> > criminals, and their exclusion from elections, remains intact
>even
>> > reinvigorated after the arrest of Nizami.
>> >
>> > In the end I thank you for your interest in my money. I spend it
at
>> > the
Crowne Plaza instead of the Sheraton, because with the money
>thus
>> > saved I can buy another plane ticket to Bangladesh :)
>> >
>> > There are minimum standards and highest standards in politics
>and
>> > in hotels. Though I appreciate standards in hotels are easier to
>> > discuss than standards in your preferred political party :)
>> >
>> > I remain in good humour and hope you are too.
>> >
>> > Best Regards
>> >
>> > Ezajur Rahman
>> > Kuwait
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "saeedurrehman92"
>> > saeedurrehman92@ wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Dear Mr. Ejazur
>> > >
>> > > I thank you for your advisory words to Mr. Bhuiyan. I
believe he
>> >
owes it
>> > > from you because you and him are living in the same country.
>> > >
>> > > Mr. Ejazur should I remind you very humbly that every 5 star
hotel
>> > > (everywhere, and not only in Kuwait) has a minimum standard
and
>> > that is
>> > > why it is categorized as a 5 star hotel. And why are so
defensive?
>> > > Nobody asked you why it was hired for the brave Gen.'s
meeting. Of
>> > > course there are many places in Kuwait which are cheaper
than and
>> > better
>> > > than the 5 star hotel you mentioned.
>> > >
>> > > Sorry to say it Mr. Ejazur, but it is clear that you think
>yourself
>> > a
>> > > celebrity. Come `n man be brave like our beloved General.
Deep in
>> > > your conscious or subconscious you still think one of
the
nethris
>> > will
>> > > come to power again. And if you are identified now, you will
be
>> > harassed
>> > > then. Mr. Ejazur, please don't be a paranoid. Don't
feel
>> > > yourself that important. Believe you me nobody will bother
to
>> > harass men
>> > > like you and me for their political believes. By the way
what is
>> > your
>> > > real identity?
>> > >
>> > > Should I remind you again, Kuwait is also part of this
world. Many
>> > > Bangladeshis still live there. (I am not talking about our
>unskilled
>> > > brothers). Surely they are more than 200. Who picked those
200 and
>> > on
>> > > what criteria?And you call 200 a smallest gathering. Give me
break
>> > man.
>> > > And why the brave Gen. and
if he is really brave, did not
been to
>> > Saudi
>> > > Arabia or to Bahrain. We have more problems with our
expatriate
>> > > community than in Kuwait.
>> > >
>> > > My intention is not to embarrass you but fact is that
nobody,
>unless
>> > > authorized, is allowed to enter the VIP lounge of Kuwait
Airport.
>> > Not to
>> > > talk about entering, he is not even allowed to drive on the
road
>> > leading
>> > > to VIP lounge. Mr. Ejazur you admitted in the past that you
do
>> > > exaggerate but don't lie. In what category it falls,
exaggeration
>or
>> > > a lie. Is not it clear to everybody that Mr. Bhuiyan
exaggerate
>(or
>> > lie)
>> > > like you so you have come for his rescue as he does not have
any
>> >
answer
>> > > to any of the questions.
>> > >
>> > > I am not a supporter of Jamaat-i-Islami but I believe that
Mr.
>> > Nizami
>> > > should have been behind bars not for GATCO but for war
crimes. Mr.
>> > > Bhuiyan, you call Gen. a very brave man. You are a very
die-hard
>> > > supporter of Jamaat. So you endorse that Nizami was corrupt
or you
>> > think
>> > > it is a ploy of the brave General to divert public attention
and
>to
>> > stop
>> > > people calling for war criminal trials.
>> > >
>> > > In the end Mr.Ejazur, please don't spend your money in
Crowne
>Plaza
>> > > Hotel. Go to Fahaheel to Ali Baba hotel. The money thus
saved can
>be
>> > > used for the country.
>> > >
>> >
>
>> > >
>> > > Saeed
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ezajur"
<ezajur.rahman@> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Dear Mohammed Ramjan
>> > > >
>> > > > You were indeed unfortunate to attend the reception at
the
>Crowne
>> > > > Plaza - the General gave an excellent speech! There
were only
>200
>> > > > guests as space was limited but everyone certainly had
a
>> > thoroughly
>> > > > refreshing evening - the community spoke about the
problems of
>our
>> > > > labourers and the General spoke about efforts underway
to fix
>> > some of
>> > > > the problems. This would never have been possible under
a
>> > political
>> > >
> government because the crooks are all politically
protected : )
>> > > >
>> > > > Come on man! The Crowne Plaza is a fine hotel but it is
probably
>> > the
>> > > > cheapest five star hotel in Kuwait! Sheesh. It was
hired solely
>> > > > because it was the cheapest :D I've hired the same
ballroom used
>> > for
>> > > > Mooen U Ahmed's reception several times - because
it was the
>> > > > cheapeast :D
>> > > >
>> > > > Be careful about giving too much personal information
on these
>> > > > forums - there are real people who provoke you for an
answer
>only
>> > to
>> > > > identify you. So that when their Nethri comes to power
they will
>> > > > harass you. I don't give a rats backside about
such
challenges
>> > but I
>> > > > am also a reckless person too. Be careful.
>> > > >
>> > > > I know one person who managed to access the VIP lounge
and give
>> > their
>> > > > regards to Moeen U Ahmed. Its not so difficult. As if
the VIP
>> > Lounge
>> > > > of ZIA Airport cannot be accessed! Yes Kuwait is part
of the
>> > > > world :)
>> > > >
>> > > > Write to me directly and lets meet up! And we can have
a nice
>> > cheap
>> > > > meal at the Crowne Plaza Hotel and discuss who supports
which
>> > nethri
>> > > > on the internet but is too ashamed to actually say it :
)
>> > > >
>> > > > Have a nice day
>> > > >
>> > > > Ezajur
Rahman
>> > > > Kuwait
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "saeedurrehman92"
saeedurrehman92@
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Dear Mr.Bhuiyan
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I think that you were unfortunate that you could
not see Gen.
>> > Moin
>> > > > at
>> > > > > Hotel Crown Plaza (again one of the most
prestigious Hotels in
>> > > > Kuwait).
>> > > > > And, I think that the General was fortunate that
he did not
>see
>> > > > you. You
>> > > > > said it was smallest public gathering. In what
capacity
you
>were
>> > > > invited
>> > > > > there?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Again, you said that you went to VIP lounge of
Kuwait Airport
>> > along
>> > > > with
>> > > > > Bangladesh Embassy and Kuwaiti Defense Ministry
officials in
>(or
>> > > > on)
>> > > > > the day of his departure. Were you from Bangladesh
Embassy or
>> > from
>> > > > > Kuwaiti Defense Ministry? In your few minutes talk
you
>> > found "this
>> > > > > general a man of high personalities (or
personality) , really a
>> > > > brave son
>> > > > > of Bangladesh". I don't know that I
should agree with you or
>not
>> > > > > but I found you a man of high personalities
(or
personality)
>> > though
>> > > > I am
>> > > > > not sure if you are a brave son of Bangladesh. One
shake hand
>> > and
>> > > > you
>> > > > > knew everything about the General.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I would like to remind you that Kuwait is also
part of the
>world
>> > > > and if
>> > > > > not all some people know how the business is
conducted there.
>My
>> > > > > brotherly advice, try to be honest don't
exaggerate or lie.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Saeed
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, Mohammed Ramjan
<mramjan@>
>>
> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Fortunately or unfortunately I was invited to
attend General
>> > Moin
>> > > > U
>> > > > > Ahmed's smallest public gathering in Crown
Plaza Hotel Kuwait.
>> > Due
>> > > > to
>> > > > > some other reason I did not attend the gathering.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > In the day of his departure at Kuwait Airport
VIP lounge, I
>> > was
>> > > > > present with Bangladesh Embassy and Kuwaiti
Defence ministry
>> > > > officials.
>> > > > > I found this general a man of high personalities,
really a
>brave
>> > > > son of
>> > > > > Bangladesh. Our talk was held for few
minutes,
shake hands and
>> > > > finally
>> > > > > goodbye.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Same day I have handed over a book (binder)
on "Land use
>> > > > Technology" a
>> > > > > subject on development control process and
planning
>permission,
>> > > > which
>> > > > > technology UK implementing from 1948.
Unfortunately in India,
>> > > > Pakistan ,
>> > > > > Bangladesh, no where this subject was included for
study in
>any
>> > > > > engineering college/university or in any
polytechnic
>Institute.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > We want implementation of this valuable
technology in
>> > Bangladesh.
>> > > > > >
>> > >
> > > Thanking you all
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Mohammed Ramjan Ali Bhuiyan
>> > > > > > Kuwait
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > To: alochona@: ezajur.rahman@ : Tue, 27 May
2008 13:21:11
>> > > > > +0000Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Moeen U Ahmed in
Kuwait
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Dear Alochok ZaheedMany thanks for your call
for good
>manners.
>> > > > Though
>> > > > > to be honest I am probably the one most guilty of
bad
>> > manners : ) I
>> > > > am
>> > > > > writing to you because you have
smashed the
proverbial nail on
>> > the
>> > > > head
>> > > > > by saying...".. .putting forth information,
references, logic,
>> > > > > anti-logic, philosophy and morals..."This is
precisely the
>> > point -
>> > > > there
>> > > > > is hardly any such debate anywhere. People are so
tied up in
>the
>> > > > > technicalities, strategies, problems, processes,
etc that
>> > thorough
>> > > > > political debate on the issues (any issue) simply
does not
>> > exist.
>> > > > Our
>> > > > > papers are busy collecting handouts, press
releases,
>quotations
>> > and
>> > > > > numbers. Our editors and tv pundits are busy
pondering the
>> > > > mechanisms
of
>> > > > > democracy and not the meaning of democracy. And
thats about
>> > > > it.WHERE ARE
>> > > > > THE GREAT NATIONAL DEBATES ON HEALTHCARE,
EDUCATION,
>> > ENVIRONMENT,
>> > > > LOCAL
>> > > > > GOVERNMENT AND THE ROLE OF ISLAM IN A MODERN
BANGLADESH? Sure
>> > > > there's a
>> > > > > debate on food prices but that debate happened
because there
>> > was no
>> > > > > choice.Go to any BNP and AL meeting and talk to
them about any
>> > of
>> > > > these
>> > > > > subjects. Some will look bewildered, some will get
angry
>> > because you
>> > > > > didn't mention the 'nethri' and some
will think you are a
>> > showoff
>> > > > from
>> >
> > > abroad.But get back to the fight for power and
everyone is an
>> > > > expert!
>> > > > > It's like we're all stuck in a neverending
third rate Hindi
>> > daytime
>> > > > soap
>> > > > > opera!The Army is indeed the darwan. The
electorate is the
>> > > > landlord. The
>> > > > > politcial parties are the tenants. The darwan has
indeed taken
>> > over
>> > > > > because the tenants are wrecking the house and the
landlord is
>> > fed
>> > > > up.
>> > > > > The darwan broke some flashy vases and ruined some
precious
>> > > > paintings -
>> > > > > but the house itself was saved. As with all
jonogonists, fancy
>> > talk
>> > > > > about the lower classes
ultimately gave way to
scornful
>disdain
>> > of
>> > > > the
>> > > > > lowly darwan!And personal attacks are all part of
the fun -
>and
>> > a
>> > > > good
>> > > > > measure of how effective one is :) Best
wishesEzajur
>> > RahmanKuwait- --
>> > > > In
>> > > > > alochona@yahoogroup s.com, Zaheed Naser
zaheed_naser@ wrote:>>
>> > Dear
>> > > > > Alochok,> > We all support a party, group or
ideology one way
>or
>> > > > another
>> > > > > and speak for them in a direct or subtle way and
dear Ejajur
>> > > > obviously
>> > > > > speaks for CTG and definitely is not the best
friend of the
>two
>> > > > begums!
>> >
> > > Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes, I donft,
>whichever, I
>> > > read
>> > > > > his writings with care and attention obviously
because of the
>> > fact
>> > > > that
>> > > > > he knows how to dish it out well (and does he
write well when
>> > he is
>> > > > > pissed off J). My attempt here is to draw
attention to the
>fact
>> > > > that we
>> > > > > shouldnft get personal (licking and all that
phrases....)
>when
>> > > we
>> > > > > are indulging in an argument, we have the right to
speak for
>any
>> > > > party
>> > > > > and we can do that by putting forth information,
references,
>> > logic,
>> > > > > anti-logic, philosophy and morals and
anything
except stooping
>> > down
>> > > > to
>> > > > > the low level of attacking any Alochok personally
with
>indecent
>> > > > words! >
>> > > > > > Regards,> Zaheed> > > Sajjad
Hossain shossain456@ wrote:> Do
>> > not
>> > > > wash
>> > > > > your hands. Lick it for the rest of your life. Did
you jump on
>> > his
>> > > > feet?
>> > > > > Moeen U Ahmed is a "Daroan" of the
Country. When a "Daroan"
>> > takes
>> > > > over
>> > > > > the house, then everything collapses. > >
SH> Toronto> >
>ezajur
>> > > > > ezajur.rahman@ wrote:> Khaleda Zia became BNP
leader and PM
>> > because
>> > > > she
>>
> > > > is the wife of Ziaur > Rahman. BNP would have
broken into
>> > various
>> > > > groups
>> > > > > if the symbolism of > Khaleda was absent.
Khaleda maintained
>her
>> > > > > position by a network of > patronage,
corruption and the
>> > ruthless
>> > > > > removal of all internal > opposition.> >
Hasina Wajed became
>AL
>> > > > leader
>> > > > > and PM because she is the daughter of > Sheikh
Mujib. AL would
>> > have
>> > > > > broken into various groups if the > symbolism
of Hasina was
>> > absent.
>> > > > > Hasina maintained her postion by a > network of
patronage,
>> > > > corruption
>> > > > > and the ruthless removal of all >
internal
opposition.> > Tell
>> > it
>> > > > the
>> > > > > way it is man Enot the way it makes your patriotic
ego >
>feel
>> > > > > good.> > Where was I asking you to worship
me or Moeen?> You
>> > don't
>> > > > have
>> > > > > the guts or the ability to write 20 strong lines
> against
>> > Hasina or
>> > > > > Khaleda for anything.> And that's why, in
reality, you do
>> > worship
>> > > > them.>
>> > > > > > I am indeed privileged to shake the hand of
the man who went
>> > > > after >
>> > > > > Nizami. I am indeed privileged to shake the hand
of the man
>who
>> > > > went >
>> > > > > after Salauddin Qader Chowdhury.
But I don't
expect you to
>> > > > understand >
>> > > > > that. Please continue with the pechali, bhejali
rubbish that
>> > has >
>> > > > > ruined our country.> > The same ladies you
admire were crazy
>to
>> > give
>> > > > > malas to Dr Yunus when > he got the Nobel
Prize. But when he
>> > dared
>> > > > to
>> > > > > enter politics they > hurled abuse at him like
the selfish
>> > > > hypocrites
>> > > > > they are. Even though > as a citizen he is
perfectly entitled
>to
>> > > > enter
>> > > > > politics. Becasue these Royal Begums can't
stand anyone else
>in
>> > > > their
>> > > > > Kingdom.> > Don't give me that
jonogonist mumbo
jumbo. That's
>> > for
>> > > > the
>> > > > > Royal > Khaleda and Royal Hasina to say during
their
>> > campaigns.> > I
>> > > > > haven't lost my mind. I just see that
something is better than
>>
>> > > > > nothing.> > Are you looking forward to the
election man and
>> > making
>> > > > some
>> > > > > money if > Hasina and Khaleda become PM? I am!
If Hasina and
>> > Khaleda
>> > > > > become PM > I'm going to make some real
money. Deshi style!
>> > Talk the
>> > > > > jonogon talk > and fill my pockets with the
nation's money at
>> > the
>> > > > same
>> > > > > time.> > Maybe I could write a book: HOW TO
MAKE MONEY WITH AL
>> >
AND
>> > > > BNP
>> > > > > EFOR > DUMMIES.> > Ezajur Rahman>
Kuwait> > --- In
>> > > > > alochona@yahoogroup s.com, Sajjad Hossain
<shossain456@> >
>> > wrote:>
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > > Khaleda Zia became Prime Minister of Bangladesh on
her own
>> > credit >
>> > > > and
>> > > > > elected by the people. She was not there by virtue
of the
>> > mighty >
>> > > > gun.
>> > > > > 99% of Bangladeshis belong to lower-middle or
middle class. To
>>
>> > > > what
>> > > > > class Mr Ezajur belong to? To what class Gen Moen
Uddin Ahmed
>>
>> > > > belong
>> > > > > to? Royal class? Are you asking us to worship
you?
Sorry I am
>>
>> > not
>> > > > > worshiping Hasina or Khaleda. Both of them are
leading two
>> > large >
>> > > > > political parties for more than two decades. They
posses
>strong
>> > >
>> > > > > leadership qualities. Your Gen Moen has tried to
form one
>> > political
>> > > > >
>> > > > > party with the help of C grade politicians and
Nobel Prize
>> > winner
>> > > > but >
>> > > > > has failed to even kick off.> > > >
These army boot lickers
>have
>> > > > lost
>> > > > > their minds.> > > > ezajur
<ezajur.rahman@> wrote:> > Dear
>> > > > Alochoks> > >
>> > > > > > Or perhaps I should
prefer the State visit of
Khaleda to
>> > Kuwait a
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > couple of years ago. Yes, perhaps her visit was
more dignified
>> > than
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > the visit of Moeen U Ahmed. > > > >
She wanted to buy some
>> > > > jewellery.
>> > > > > She was advised that the finest > >
jewellers in Kuwait would
>> > > > happily
>> > > > > take a wide selection of pieces > to > >
her hotel. She was
>> > advised
>> > > > to
>> > > > > go to a prestigious location. But she > >
took the advice of
>> > some
>> > > > idiots
>> > > > > and went to one of the worst gold > >
markets in Kuwait. As
>she
>>
> > > walked
>> > > > > through the shops onlookers were > > bemused
by her entourage.
>> > Who
>> > > > is
>> > > > > she? Why is she here? The market > > that
seldom saw an upper
>> > middle
>> > > > > class Indian was now graced by the > > Prime
Minister of
>> > > > Bangladesh. Of
>> > > > > course our jonogonists will say > she went to
the shops of the
>> > > > common
>> > > > > man. But of course she bought > nothing >
> there and in the
>end
>> > > > went to
>> > > > > an exclusive shop and purchased a few > >
trinkets and baubles
>-
>> > > > costing
>> > > > > well beyond the dreams of the common > >
man. Any idea
how
>much
>> > she
>> > > > > spent?> > > > Good old Bangladeshi
democracy.> > > > It's a
>> > > > slapstick
>> > > > > comedy.> > > > Regards> > >
> Ezajur Rahman> > Kuwait> > > >
>---
>> > In
>> > > > > alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ezajur"
<ezajur.rahman@> wrote:> >
>> > >> > >
>> > > > > Dear Alochoks> > > > > > On the
other hand perhaps I am wrong.
>> > > > Perhaps I
>> > > > > should prefer > > Hasina > > > to
Moeen U Ahmed. Perhaps I
>> > should
>> > > > prefer
>> > > > > her State visit to > Kuwait > > > back
in 2000. The
>businessmen
>> > of
>>
> > > AL
>> > > > > held a reception for her in > the > >
> Grand Ballroom of the
>> > > > Sheraton
>> > > > > Hotel. Perhaps I should be proud > of > >
> when the Foreign
>> > > > Minister,
>> > > > > Abdus Samad Azad, declared that the > > >
audience should
>shout
>> > `Joy
>> > > > > Bangla' in honour of The Nethri. And > as
> > > the
>chandeliers
>> > > > shook to
>> > > > > the refrain of a 800 idiots chanting Joy > >
> Bangla the
>front
>> > > > rows of
>> > > > > VIPs, Ambassadors, MPs and Ministers > >
quickly > > > and
>> > quietly
>> > > > > escaped through the side doors. And the
receptionists > >
and
>>
>> > > >
>> > > > > security men ran around the hotel like headless
chickens. And
>>
>> > > > other >
>> > > > > > > guests thought some terrorists had
attacked. And like a
>> > > > brilliant >
>> > > > > > > Foreign Minister he turned to one side
of the crowd and
>> > raising
>> > > > >
>> > > > > his > > > hand urged them to shout even
louder because he
>could
>> > not
>> > > > hear
>> > > > > > > them. > > > And Hasina just
smiled with happiness.> > > >
>>
>> > >
>> > > > The
>> > > > > Sheraton Hotel, the oldest and most prestigious
hotel in > >
>> > > > Kuwait,
> >
>> > > > > > entwined with the very history of Kuwait
itself, witness to
>> > the >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > graciousness of a 1,000 stately receptions over
the decades,
>> > had > >
>> > > > > just > > > seen its most ungracious
day.> > > > > > But then
>who
>> > > > cares
>> > > > > that the rest of Kuwait just thought:> >
> > > > What else do
>> > you
>> > > > expect
>> > > > > from the Prime Minister and Foreign > >
Minister > > > of the
>> > > > > cleanersElt; BR>> > > > >
Regards> > > > > > Ezajur
>Rahman> > >
>> > > > > Kuwait > > > > > > >
>
> > > > --- In
>> > > > alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ezajur"
>> > > > > <ezajur.rahman@> wrote:> > >
>> > > > Dear Saeed Bhai> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Well I was just saying that I was privileged to
shake his hand
>>
>> > > > and> >
>> > > > > > > wish him well. Pretty modest compared to
what you might be
>> > > >
>> > > > > thinking> > > > for Hasina or Khaleda
: )> > > > > > > > He is
>> > > > certainly
>> > > > > not one of the greatest personalities on> >
> > earth but
>> > > > definitely one
>> > > > > of the bravest in Bangladesh.> > > >
> > > > The
future does
>not
>> > > > belong
>> > > > > to him or me. But it belongs to all > of >
> us> > > > who
>want
>> > a
>> > > > > Bangladesh without Hasina and Khaleda and all that
> > they >
>>
>> > >
>> > > > > represent. And in spite of all the mistakes the
possibilty of
>>
>> > > > that > >
>> > > > > > future exists only because of the courage of
the CTG. Not
>> > because
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > of > > > anyone else or anything
else.> > > > > > > > What is
>> > this
>> > > > apple
>> > > > > polishing you speak of? What do you know >
about> > > > real
>> > apple
>>
> > > > polishing? Look at what our people do with Hasina
and> > > >
>> > > > Khaleda -
>> > > > > the puja, the worshipping, the polishing, the >
malishing,> >
>>
>> > >
>> > > > the
>> > > > > thel dhalano, the chamchagiri. . It is record
breaking! We > >
>> > > > could> > >
>> > > > > > turn it into an export industry! But you
won't mention that
>>
>> > > > will > >
>> > > > > > you.> > > > That's too
uncomfortable. Far easier to talk
>> > about me
>> > > > and
>> > > > > my> > > > handshake.> > >
> > > > > And what is this pity you
>> > feel?
>> > > > What
>> >
> > > do you know about real > pity?> > >
> Where is your pity for
>our
>> > > > people
>> > > > > who are made fools of by> > > >
politicians year after year
>> > with lie
>> > > > > after lie? Where is your > pity> > >
> for a democracy where
>> > > > democracy
>> > > > > ONLY means that political > > operatives>
> > > are allowed to
>> > do
>> > > > > anything they want? Where is your pity for a>
> > > democracy
>> > where
>> > > > if
>> > > > > you challenge the leader of your party your >
> house> > > >
>> > gets
>> > > > burned
>> > > > > down? You won't speak of such uncomfortable
truths. > >
Far> >
>> > > >
>> > > > > easier to talk about me wishing the General
well.> > > > > > >
>> > > You
>> > > > > should wish him well too. For because of him the
voter > rolls
>> > > > >
>> > > > > will> > > > be more accurate than ever
before. The voting
>booths
>> > > > will be
>> > > > > > more> > > > secure than ever
before. The vote count will be
>> > more
>> > > > > legitimate > > than> > > > ever
before. The voters will be
>safer
>> > > > than
>> > > > > every before. Your > > dream> > >
> will come true - you will
>> > have
>> > > > your
>> > > > > free and fair
election > between> > >
> corrupt parties.> > >
>>
>> > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > I don't dream of a future where unelected,
unaccountable >
>> > > > officials> >
>> > > > > > > are forced to act because of the
stupidity of elected > >
>> > > > > politicians. I> > > > dream of a
future where AL and BNP
>behave
>> > like
>> > > > > proper democratic> > > > parties in a
modern Bangladesh. And
>the
>> > > > CTG has
>> > > > > done more to > > achieve> > > >
that than the Central
>> > Committees of
>> > > > AL
>> > > > > or BNP. People who slam > the> > >
> CTG and claim to
be
>neutral
>> > > > never
>> > > > > ever talk about AL and BNP. > If > > >
they> > > > did then
>they
>> > > > would
>> > > > > be really making a difference.> > > >
> > > > Look at our
>> > country.
>> > > > Be
>> > > > > honest. We have far more to pity than > >
Moeen> > > > and
>> > > > Fakhruddin
>> > > > > and dreamers like me.> > > > > >
> > By the way - who do you
>> > think I
>> > > > > should vote for? Hasina or > > Khaleda?>
> > > Why? Convince
>me
>> > > > without
>> > > > > insulting me : )> > > > > > >
> Best wishes> > > > > > >
>
>> > Ezajur
>> > > > > Rahman> > > > Kuwait> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >
>>
>> > >
>> > > > > ---
>> > > > > In alochona@yahoogroup s.com,
"saeedurrehman92"> > > >
>> > > > <saeedurrehman92@>
>> > > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > Dear Mr. Ejazur> > > > >> >
>>
>> > > >
>> > > > > Thousand and one congratulations on your one of
the biggest> >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > achievements. I hope you have not washed your
hands after > >
>> > > > shaking >
>> > > > > > > it> > > > >
with Gen.
Moeen's hand. You must preserve the
>> > scent
>> > > > of
>> > > > > him on > > > your> > > > >
hands. The future definitely
>belongs
>> > to
>> > > > you
>> > > > > because you > shaked > > > hands>
> > > > with one the
>greatest
>> > > > > personality on earth.> > > > >>
> > > > I really don't feel
>bad
>> > > > feel bad
>> > > > > when I read a writing like > > this.>
> > > Nice> > > > >
>piece
>> > of
>> > > > apple
>> > > > > polishing. I, however, feel pity for a nation >
in> > > >
>> > which> >
>> > > > > > >
>> > >
> > people like this exists.> > > >
>> > > > > Saeed> > > > >> > >
>> > > >>
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com,
"ezajur" <ezajur.rahman@>
>> > > >
>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > >
> > > Dear Alochoks> > > > > >> > > >
>
>>
>> > > > > Yesterday I had the privilege and the honour of
shaking the >
>>
>> > > > hand> >
>> > > > > > > of> > > > > > General
Moeen U Ahmed. He is on an official
>> > visit
>> > > > to
>> > > > > Kuwait.> > > > Whilst> > >
> > > he was largely surrounded
by
>> > > > people who
>> > > > > supported the CTG > and > > > who>
> > > > > were showering
>him
>> > with
>> > > > > their views I got the opportunity on> > >
> behalf> > > > > >
>> > of all
>> > > > > supporters of the CTG to wish him good health,
long > > life>
>>
>> > > >
>> > > > and>
>> > > > > > > > > > continued success. He
reiterated that the nation
>> > needed
>> > > > an> >
>> > > > > > > election> > > > > > in
December 2008.> > > > > >> > > > >
>>
>> > > > Moeen U
>> > > > > Ahmed and Dr Fakhruddin are great men and
I
remain> > > >
>> > > > defiantly> > >
>> > > > > > > > supportive. Becasue of such men we
know that change is >
>>
>> > > > > possible.> > > > > > Because of
such men even politicians now
>> > > > believe
>> > > > > that > change > > is> > > >
> > possible. That change, so
>> > > > desperately
>> > > > > needed, must finally > be> > > >
decided> > > > > > by our
>> > > > politicians.
>> > > > > But there is no doubt that it is these > >
men > > > who> > >
>>
>> > > >
>> > > > > threw the ball back in the pitch. Lets all pray
that the >
>> > teams> >
>> >
> > > >
>> > > > > play> > > > > > sincerely.>
> > > > >> > > > > > And for those
>> > who
>> > > > think
>> > > > > that standing next to Hasina or > >
Khaleda> > > > is a> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > greater privilege than shaking the hand of Dr
Yunus, Dr> > > >
>> > > > > Fakhruddin or> > > > > > General
Moeen U Ahmed - even if your
>> > dreams
>> > > > > come true, the > > > future> > >
> > > still does not belong
>to
>> > > > you.> >
>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >
Regards> > > > > >> > > > > >
Ezajur
>Rahman>
>> > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Kuwait> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >
--- In
>> > > > > alochona@yahoogroup s.com, Faruque Alamgir >
> faruquealamgir@>
>> > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > IDIOTS ALWAYS THNKS THEM AS
>THE
>> > > > > GREATEST INTELIGENT SO > THE > > >
CASE> > > > > > WITH OUR
>> > > > > FRIEND...... ......... ......... ......... ...>
> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Faruque Alamgir> > > > >
>
>> > > > > > > Salahuddin Ayubi
>> > > > s_ayubi786@>
>> > > > > > > > > > wrote: Fakahruddin' s
speech> > > > > > was an
>> > excellent
>> > > > one.
>> > > > > Why nitwits like yourself criticise > him >
> is> > > > > >
>> > beyond
>> > > > my
>> > > > > comprehension. Instead of using a very famous >
man's > > >
>> > name> >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > as your mask why dont you appear in your
own name. You
>are>
>> > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > disgracing a great man. You with your level
of intelligence
>>
>> > >
>> > > >
will>
>> > > > > > > > > > never reach anywhere near
what the great man
>achieved
>> > in
>> > > > his>
>> > > > > > > > > > lifetime. Stop
bullshitting and misguiding people. I
>> > do
>> > > > not >
>> > > > > > feel> > > > > > that the
country is safe in the hands of our
>> > kind
>> > > > of >
>> > > > > > > politicians,> > > > >
> most of whom do not have the basic
>> > > > education
>> > > > > behind them. > Era> > > >
shobai> > > > > > foot pather neta.
>> > bhalo
>> > > > > kichu bojhar ba korar shamortho eder> > >
> > > akebarei nei.>
>> > >
>
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > .> > > > > > >
Salahuddin Ayubi> > > > > > >> > > > > >
>
>---
>> > On
>> > > > Tue,
>> > > > > 5/13/08, mahathir of bd wouldbemahathirofbd @ >
> > wrote:> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > > > From: mahathir of bd
wouldbemahathirofbd @> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > Subject: [Dahuk]: Thanks Fakhruddin - you have
made us > >
>> > laugh >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > by> > > > > > your sermon>
> > > > > > To:
>> > > > tritiomatra@ yahoogroups. com,
>>
> > > > chottala@yahoogroup s.com,> > > > >
> khabor@yahoogroups. com,
>> > > > > dahuk@yahoogroups. com,> > > > >
> vinnomot@yahoogroup s.com,
>> > > > > alochona@yahoogroup s.com,> > > > >
>
>> > > > notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com >
>> > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, May 13,
2008, 7:11 AM> > > > > > >> >
>> > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > > > >
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