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Friday, August 1, 2008

[ALOCHONA] continued indian visitors

recently a number of indians have been visiting bd formally. i am not sure what is behind these visits. i haven't heard such frequent visits by these nationals before. let us be aware of this issue.
 
yesterday i was hit by surprise knowing rahul gandhi is visiting bd. it is a personal visit, nothing official. despite being a poltical party leader and mp only he has been treated as a v v i p. could any of our such personnel visit india ever (other than president and government heads)? if someone does, will s/he get similar treatment? i bet not.
 
i suspect he is tying to get some knowledge on bd so that he can treat bd similar to present leaders in the future. if this is the case, we have a long battle ahead.

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Re: [mukto-mona] KNOW THYSELF.



--- On Thu, 7/31/08, Dr Jiten Roy @yahoo.com <Dr Jiten Roy @yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Dr Jiten Roy @yahoo.com <Dr Jiten Roy @yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] KNOW THYSELF.
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 10:50 PM

WRT: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mukto- mona/message/ 49247

JR: Subimal, I am tired of arguing with you.
 SC: Don't blame me for this. It is the forum where we all do is debate. Through debate we try to find truths. So we need the spirit. If you make mistakes (as you were repeatedly making with fundamental physics), it is my responsibility to point it out.
JR: That's why I refrained myself from answering your question. But, you are so persistent that I could not help but responding to your query about Sunil Gangooly.
SC: Let me tell you why I am persistent. In this very forum I have criticised Sunil for complaining that Taslima hurts the feelings of Muslims whereas at the same time he himself has hurt the feeling of Hindus by saying some thing relating Saraswati moorti and arousal of sex in an adolescent. This is called double standard. But your complaint was totally different. You have said, "Sunil is a fervent critic of Hindus." I was inquisitive as to how and that's why I asked for some evidences which you have failed to produce so far. 
 
JR: Through Bangladesh Hindu Buddhists Christian Unity Council, I met some activist leaders from Kolkata, who are fighting for rights of Hindu refugees in West Bengal, who came from Bangladesh due to persistent persecuti on by previous Bangladeshi governments. They approached Sunil Gangooly several times to listen to their stories and write about them. Sunil Gangooly refused to do so stating that Hindus leave Bangladesh due to political reason and he does not want to get involved in the political matters. 
SC: Being fervent critic of Hindus and being not willing to get involved in the political matters are two completely different things. So your complaint is unfounded. 
JR: When Taslima Nasrin depicted plights of Hindus under the wrath of persecution in her book (Lajjya), all I hear from Sunil Gangooly is that her writings have no literary value, as if the stories or the subject matters have no value because of incompetent writings. He forgets that he has no courage to write something about this issue.  He is vocal about plights of Muslim minorities in West Bengal, which is wonderful. I wish he could gather some courage to write about the persecution of Hindu minorities in Bangladesh together with the cause of the Muslim minorities in West Bengal. I have some other issues with Sunil Gangooly, which I cannot write at this moment because it is already 12 O'Clock mid-night now.
SC: Taslima got huge support from Sunil. Has Sunil ever said that Lajja is not based on facts? I don't think so.  Every writer has a strategy to follow. Definitely Sunil has one which is shaped by his social, political and economic goals. It is not unreasonable to smell intellectual dishonesty in it. But as long as he does not show double standard, does not support persecution of Hindus in Bangladesh, and  and does support Islamic fundamentalism in India, he is all right. It is not me to decide his literary inspirations and literary topics.
Finally, please let me know if you find evidences in support of your claim: Sunil is a fervent critic of Hindus.


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[ALOCHONA] tata's withdrawal - i am not sure.................

i am not sure why am i happy to know about this withdrawal. may be its because of the fear i have in mind about indians. since our Independence they did little for us (if i have missed any) and continuously putting us behind. $ 3 bn is a big fdi for us but as far as we came to know, it was a one sided proposal. another 'east india company' may be. we should not respond to such proposal(s) from now on.
 
people of bd learned lesson from 'kafco' experience, so we are getting aware of our rights, now we need to propagate this awareness to other sectors to prosper ourselves.

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[mukto-mona] Mobilising Muslims: A man and a network with a mission

Mobilising Muslims: A man and a network with a mission
Submitted by kashif on 1 August 2008 - 1:54pm. Features Indian Muslim
By Yoginder Sikand, TwoCircles.net

Shy but amiable and disarmingly down-to-earth, 55 year-old Muhammad Abdus Sabur is a man with a mission. He is the founder and general-secretary of a Bangkok-based network of Asian Muslim social activists struggling for social justice and inter-faith dialogue—the Asian Muslim Action Network, its acronym AMAN, meaning 'peace' in Arabic and several languages influenced by it.

I met him at his modest office in a Bangkok suburb on a recent visit to Thailand, the meeting being one of the highpoints of my three-week stay in the country.

I pester Sabur (as he is known to his friends) with a flood of questions, and he gently obliges. What made him set up AMAN? What exactly is AMAN all about? What are its goals and what has it done so far?

Sabur tells me how it all started. Born in a village in what was then East Pakistan and now Bangladesh, Sabur began working with a Bangladeshi NGO in the aftermath of the deadly war that resulted in the creation of the new state. 'I worked particularly with badly-affected Hindu families in Sylhet in northern Bangladesh, who had born the wrath of the Pakistan army, who had burned down their houses and had killed many of them', he says. This work brought him in contact with the Bangkok-based Asian Cultural Forum on Development (ACFD), a network of Asian scholar-activists from different religious traditions trying to work out uniquely Asian solutions for uniquely Asian problems, inspired by Asian religious values. In 1979, Sabur was elected as a council member of the ACFD, the youngest on the panel. He shifted to Bangkok to work with the ACFD, and has been based there since then.

'During the course of my many years with the ACFD', Sabur reminiscences, 'I was struck how Christian, Buddhist and Hindu activists, inspired by their religious beliefs, were working on numerous fronts in a very organized manner. They were struggling for inter-community solidarity and women's rights, and speaking out against imperialism and capitalism, world debt and so on, and forcefully debating social issues and problems'. 'At the same time', he goes on, 'I noted, with dismay, how very behind Muslims were in this regard. They had their charities, providing money to madrasas and mosques, which, though important, was obviously not enough to grapple with a whole load of contemporary social concerns, problems, conflicts and struggles'. 'I felt that our essentially charity-based approach was still stuck in a feudal groove—you give donations to the poor, but don't touch them, don't live with and learn from them, don't participate in their lives and in
their struggles for justice. Obviously, our responses were wholly inadequate', he adds. 'I knew of many Muslim organizations who did talk of social justice, but this was only in the form of publishing books or delivering lectures. Working with socially-involved Christians, Buddhists and Hindus, I realized that we Muslims, too, need to do practical work, and not just talking and preaching, to translate these dreams of social justice into actual practice.'

In 1990, Sabur began contacting progressive Muslim scholar-activists in different Asian countries to do precisely that. A small group of them, from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Thailand met at Chiang Mai, in northern Thailand, in September that year, and AMAN was born. The noted Mumbai-based Islamic scholar Asghar Ali Engineer was chosen as the convenor of the network, and Sabur was elected as its general-secretary.

The aim of the network? 'Essentially, to transmit progressive Islamic ideas to Muslim youth', says Sabur. But it was not as simple as it sounds. This entailed working on several fronts at the same time: bringing progressive and socially-involved Asian Muslim scholars to share their ideas among themselves and with Asian Muslim youth; providing Muslim social organizations with a common platform to learn from each other, improve their methods, build their capacities and expand the scope of their work from mere charity to struggling for social justice and human rights; and interacting with secular as well as non-Muslim NGOs working on issues of common concern, both to join forces as well as to express what important contributions Islam and committed Muslims could make in this regard.

With limited funds at its disposal, it has not been an easy journey for AMAN. Involving the traditional ulema of the madrasas in its work, which Sabur sees as essential, given the influence that they enjoy among many Muslim communities, has yet to happen in a significant way. 'Madrasas are important, I agree, but their students need to have a broader social vision and a deeper insight into a host of social issues of contemporary concern, which many of them lack', he comments. He cites the instance of several Christian groups, each inspired by what they regard as the values of Christianity, that are actively engaged in struggles for social justice and inter-community solidarity. 'Islam, properly understood, teaches us all this as well. It stands for equality and fraternity, not just within the mosque, but in society outside too, but this is hardly how it is interpreted today. It stands for human rights, for all human beings, and not just for Muslims
alone. It teaches us to respect diversity. The Quran states that God made people into different communities, so that they could understand one another, not so that they should fight and kill each other. We need to revise many of our traditional understandings, to recover what I believe to be the essential social message of Islam'. And that is where the need to reach out to and work with the traditional ulema comes into the picture, for many of them continue to miss the liberating message of the Quran, properly understood, particularly as it applies to women, the poor and the oppressed and to people of other faiths.

Today, AMAN organizes a number of activities, all geared to developing progressive responses to the myriad challenges affecting the Asian region, and not just Muslims alone. Its annual three-week peace-building course in Bangkok, conducted in association with a Christian university in Thailand, brings together men and women below the age of 40 from across Asia, mainly Muslims but people of other faiths too, to discuss burning social issues, from the rights of minorities and women, inter-faith dialogue and looming ecological disaster to questions of war and peace, religious and national chauvinism, terrorism and imperialism. It discusses possibilities of peace and social justice in a conflict-torn world and the theological resources that different religions, including Islam, can provide in this regard. AMAN also organizes two seven-day youth training courses for men and women below 25 every year, one in Nepal for South Asians, and the other in Bangkok for
participants from South-East Asians, with broadly the same purpose.

'Research and action, scholarship and activism, must go together for them to be really effective', Sabur comments, and in order to do precisely that in 2003 AMAN launched a new project titled 'Views From Within: Muslim Communities in South-East Asia'. Under this project, annual fellowships are provided to young Muslim scholars from South-East Asia to engage in research projects on various crucial aspects of the lives and concerns of the myriad Muslim communities living in the region as well as the possibilities of progressive Islamic responses to pressing contemporary issues. So far, thirty-six fellowships have been awarded, and some of the theses that these have led to have been published as monographs.

AMANA magazine covers

Three years ago, this sort of socially-engaged research work was supplemented with the launching of a quarterly journal, AMANA, which now comes out in five languages: English, Bengali, Bahasa Malaysia, Thai and Urdu. Plans are afoot to start an Arabic edition soon. A glance through the contents of recent issues of the magazine illustrates its principal concerns: articles about inter-faith dialogue, women's rights, Islam, peace and justice, issues in common between Islam and Buddhism, and the fascinating variety of local Muslim cultures; stories about Asian Muslim groups and individuals tackling HIV/AIDS and working together with Christians in strife-torn parts of Indonesia to restore communal harmony; a report of an Hindu youth cycling across India to protest against nuclear bombs and another about Buddhist tribals in eastern Bangladeshis struggling against decades of discrimination.

Sabur also talks about other on-going work that AMAN is engaged in: helping out refugees from neighbouring South-East Asian countries who now live and eke out a living in Bangkok, galvanizing funds for mosques destroyed in the recent deadly quake in southern China and for families devastated by a killer cyclone in Myanmar and working with a Buddhist group in war-torn southern Thailand to promote understanding between Muslims and Buddhists. He excitedly tells me about AMAN's plans of shortly launching a Master's degree in peace studies in association with an Indonesian university.

Funding for AMAN's activities comes mainly from Western, mostly Christian, NGOs and a major Japanese Buddhist institution, and the AMANA magazine runs with a grant from Action Aid. Although Sabur has sought to diversify, to contact Muslim philanthropists and organizations who could possibly assist, he tells me that he has had little luck with them, and I am not surprised. 'Many of them will fund building mosques and madrasas or to promote their own particular sects and versions of Islam, but not this sort of activist work', he rues. 'Perhaps it is because they are not aware of this sort of thing', he muses. Perhaps, I think, but I am not sure. I cannot imagine hardened Wahhabi Arab sheikhs funneling petrodollars to sponsor initiatives activities that challenge Western imperialism, Muslim religious literalism and extremism or that champion women's rights and ecumenism and solidarity between Muslims and people of other faiths—which is precisely the sort
of work that AMAN seems to be engaged in.

Sabur's sage advice in the matter is: 'We need to reach out to Muslim organizations, and to well-off Muslims, to make them aware of all these issues, to get them also involved in various ways in similar work. Perhaps some of them want to help out but don't know how. We need to speak out, against all forms of oppression, about poverty and illiteracy and discrimination in our own societies, and against imperialism, terror and war, at all Muslim forums, at the national and international levels. Only then can our views and concerns be heard.' But, coming back to the question of funding, he says in the same breath, 'We can't build relationships with money. What we need are simple, down-to-earth, simple and passionately dedicated people, inspired by the spirit of voluntarism and sacrifice, not doing work only if they are paid.'

'That', he tells me as I get up to depart, 'is precisely what genuine religiosity is all about.'

Sabur gives me a hearty hug on my way out, and, firmly holding my shoulders and looking at me in the eye, he recites from his fellow Bengali, the poet Rabindranath Tagore, a verse that I hurriedly noted:

Akla Chalo, Akla Chalo, Akla Chalo Rey
Jodi Tor Dak Shuney Kiew Na Ashey
Akla Chalo, Akla Chalo, Akla Chalo Rey

Walk Alone, Walk Alone, Walk Alone, Oh You!
Even if no one comes to you on hearing your call
Walk alone, Walk alone, Walk Alone, Oh You!
---

Muhammad Abdus Sabur can be contacted on sabur@arf-asia.org and on aman@arf-asia.org
AMAN's website can be accessed on www.arf-asia.org
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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Humayun Ahmed's comments

Re: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/49236

>then I can clearly see you have contradicted yourself
>making some comments on Mohmd.....you may think about it.

Rather its you who should think about it. Whats wrong with saying the
truth about Mohammed?. Mr. Alam simply stated that (I quote):

"prophet mohd married 6 year old Ayesha- daughter of his
disciple /follower. Prophet also married his daughter- in- law; step
son’s wife. Humayun immorality is nothing in compared to prophet’s
immorality."

He stated the historical fract about Mohammed marrying 6 year old Ayesha.
Is stating a fact wrong? If you think so then you are in fact admiting that the
act of marrying 6 year old was wrong. If doing so by prophet was not wrong
then stating that he did so cannot be wrong. You cannot have it boh ways.
And whats wrong with saying that it was immoral?. We routinely characterize
many acts as moral/immoral. Thats a personal judgment. Just because its
Mohammed so we should disable or judgment faculty? Then you are a cult
worshipper (As all islamists are). So think about it.

- SA Pintu

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[mukto-mona] Re: Suicide Bombers ending their lives on a daily basis, Why ?

WRT: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/49261

Take a recalcitrant to find my post selectively "against" his religion
when, in fact, in my response to Mohiuddin Anwar, I had been equally
critical of all religions. It is interesting that this recalcitrant has
no evidence of facts that he wishes to argue against, but he must
blabber about insults to his religion. Since when did facts about the
hsitory of any religion become an insult? They could only be
considered insulting by someone who has, at the very least, bought into
a lie if he / she does not take the next step in propagating the lie
himself / herself.

Yes, GTI 81 or Russell or whatever troll names you use, you and any of
the mullah buddies you can muster are welcome to criticise ANY
religion. I have none. And when you send your post in, I shall laugh
hardest at your antics because they remind me of the small mindedness
of someone who cannot as much as understand that it is possible to be
free of the insanity that is religion. Do try, at the very least, to
spell properly. I understand that it is a major task for someone like
you. At the very least, let me laugh at the content of your
unintentionally funny posts instead of your pathetic spelling.

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[ALOCHONA] Indo-US strategic deal will thwart South Asian peace

Indo-US strategic deal will thwart South Asian peace
M. Shahidul Islam
 
The Colombo SAARC summit took place in the backdrop of growing uncertainties within many member countries and amidst deteriorating bilateral relations between major nation-states of the region. That is what makes observers wary of its not making any substantive success despite frantic efforts by foreign secretaries in the run-up to the summit to map out a grandiose agenda for the summiteers.

   Over the preceding weeks, Dhaka-Delhi relationship has been jolted of late following the July 17 incursion inside Bangladesh territory of Indian Border Security Force (BSF) and killing of two Bangladesh Rifle (BDR) soldiers 1.5 km deep inside Bangladesh territory. Regional and international political dynamics are also sipping in gradually into the internal political arithmetic of Bangladesh in the run-up to a general election that might prove as one of the trickiest ones in recent memory due to the unprecedented external influence peddling and internal polarisation being observed.

   The summit was convened at a time when Delhi has chosen to punish Islamabad by using Washington and dispatched its army chief, General Deepak Kapoor, to Dhaka on a whirlwind trip, reportedly designed to fine tune our military hierarchy towards adopting more aggressive a role in countering the so-called Islamic terrorism by stitching a political deal with secular-minded political parties whose coming to power following the ensuing election remains an unmitigated dream among policymakers in Delhi and Washington.
   An acknowledgement of that paradigm shift, if one may term it so, came from the acting general secretary of the Awami League (AL), Syed Ashraful Islam, who said upon return from the UK that, "political dynamics has changed."

   If words are meant to be messages, the AL leader might have insinuated at the prospect of an electoral victory of his party due to the firm assurance his party chief, Sheikh Hasina, received in London from one of the staunchest Indian allies in Bangladesh, JP leader H M Ershad. That is a known and an unknown, as always; the ultimate intent of Ershad being too foggy to decipher.

   There is also concern that, unless General Kapoor makes his Dhaka mission a successful one in terms of buying off the consent of our military's top brass to board fully onto the bogus anti-terror bandwagon of Delhi and Washington, Bangladesh will face increased hostility from the duo in coming months. BNP's acting secretary general, Delwar Hossain, has already warned of this prospect in a recent speech.

   In Nepal, the general mass remains explosion-ridden following the elected Maoist party having been technically knocked off from assuming power despite having won the April 10 election. All evidence suggests that the Maoist debacle was consummated by an Indian blueprint that has successfully managed to put a pliant Nepalese Congress leader, Dr. Ram Baran Yadav, in power. The Indian educated Yadav was the general secretary of the pro-Delhi Congress party before being whisked into the post of the president.

   Indo-Pak relationship has deteriorated sharply due to India's entrenched and aggressive role in Afghanistan and the US's frequent violation of Pakistan's territorial sovereignty.
   Stunned by this outcome that came as a total betrayal to the Marxists' laying of arms and signing of a peace deal, a distraught Maoist leader, Pushpa Kamal Dahal (Prachanda), blamed India for the shameless doctoring that prevented his party from coming to power. "Earlier we were under pressure from India to make its henchman, Girija Prasad Koirala, the President of the republic," Prachanda said in anger.

   The situation in the host nation Sri Lanka brooks no elaboration as it has found itself torn by a protracted civil war raging on for decades. Barely a day goes by without attacks on Sri Lankan security forces by Tamil guerrillas whose bastion of power lies in the Indian state of Tamil Nadu.

   More troubling for other SAARC members, however, remains the ever deteriorating internal situation in Pakistan where the civil-military rift has attained a fever pitch in recent days and the Indian intelligence services murmuring of an ISI-DGFI nexus in the recent bombings in Ahmedabad on July 26, and in the southern city of Bangalore a day before.
   Now look deeply beneath the veneer of these familiar snapshots of events and a broader interplay of cause and effect will emerge before our eyes. Unlike in the past, the main culprit in the ever worsening Indo-Pak relations is the occupation of a SAARC member nation -- Afghanistan -- by external military forces and the chaos it had unleashed over the preceding years.

   Surprisingly, the SAARC agenda does not mention this foreign occupation as an issue deserving any discussion. Nor do the summiteers seem to be aware that peace and security in South Asia will remain ever elusive unless foreign occupation forces withdraw from Afghanistan where, lately, NATO forces are dying more in numbers than in Iraq and the US is losing its nerve for not being able to turn the tide to its favour. Especially, the SAARC summiteers must remember that the open accusations being made by President Hamid Karzai of Pakistan's Inter Service Intelligence's (ISI) involvement in the bombing of the Indian High Commission complex on July 7, which resulted in the killing of 58 people (including an Indian diplomat and the Indian military?attaché ³tationed in Afghanistan), has had too detrimental an impact on inter-SAARC harmony and cooperation.

   While those are hard facts being overlooked by the 'pliant' summiteers of the region, many analysts legitimately think the Indo-US strategic alliance is having too much of negative impacts on peace and security in South Asia; and both Delhi and Washington are involved in conducting in concert too many delicate diplomatic dancing at the same time to chastise Pakistan in particular, and Bangladesh in general.

   One of such recent moves by Washington makes a point of relevance. Sources say Washington compelled Pakistan's PPP-nominated Prime Minister, Yousaf Raza Gilani, to issue an order to put the control of the Inter Service Intelligence (ISI) under the interior ministry prior to his Washington visit where he met with President Bush on July 28.
   Although the order was flatly rejected by the military hierarchy and President Musharraf, public sentiment within Pakistan is running high. Some analysts even found the pro-Washington prime minister's decision too damaging for Pakistan's national security as only 10 per cent of ISI's work involves internal security matters and the rest is international. Besides, the spy outfit is almost 100 per cent manned by military personnel.
   Najam Sethi, editor of Pakistan's Daily Times, summarised this sentiment by pointing a finger of suspicion towards Washington while Gilani was perhaps having an uneasy toast with Mr. Bush in the White House. Sethi said, "There is a suspicion that this was done in cahoots with the Americans." Army spokesperson, Major General Athar Abbas, termed the prime minister's order as a 'surprise'. Faulting the logic behind putting the ISI under interior ministry's control, Abbas said, "We informed the government of our reservations as the ISI is basically responsible for external intelligence."

   Other analysts termed the military's negation to obey the prime minister's order as a 'coup' against Gilani and warned that he might be facing revoke of a different kind upon return to Islamabad.

   As stability in Pakistan is central to peace within the SAARC nations, the Colombo summit occurs amidst this unfolding showdown between the US-backed prime minister and the Islamabad's top brass of the military. Not only this troubling development continues to poison political air within Pakistan, it prompts Delhi and Washington to get more and more embroiled in sensitive national security matters of that country and makes regional leadership of Delhi much more dangerous and untrustworthy.

   That notwithstanding, Delhi and Washington must remember that the strategy of bombing nations into submission is something that has evidently failed in Iraq and Afghanistan and is unlikely to succeed elsewhere. But that is what the duo firmly believes in, and, the entire situation with respect to Pakistan was further exacerbated when an unmanned CIA-operated aircraft conducted a daring attack on July 28 inside Pakistan's tribal Waziristan near the Afghan border, reportedly in response to Pakistani military's negation to obey the prime minister's order.

   As the raid occurred only hours before Gilani was about to be goaded to the White House for a one-on-one meeting with President Bush, the face of a declining super power unmasked anew. The attack followed another of the same kind conducted by the US military on June in which 11 Pakistani soldiers were killed. Some Pakistani strategists think the recurrence of attacks like these by US forces inside Pakistan has already made the US an enemy of Pakistan, not an ally.

   That may be a matter of interpretation, depending on whether one is pro-West or pro-Pakistan. Weaker SAARC members, nonetheless, have a lesson or two to learn from such behaviours of the regimes in Delhi and Washington.

   For sure, they must fasten their seat belts for a ride ahead that could be more bumpy, bloody and full of betrayals than what has been witnessed in the past and what the Colombo summit will surely bypass.
 

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GEN. KAPOOR'S BANGLADESH TOUR
India wants a friend here if war breaks out in the north
Sadeq Khan
 
The Indian Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor is leaving Bangladesh today after a warm and successful 6-day visit. It is a prompt return visit by the Indian army chief after 6-day visit of Bangladesh Army Chief General Moeen U. Ahmed in India last February. Dr. S. Kapila, a geo-strategic analyst belonging to South Asia Analysis Group and presumably linked with the Research and Analysis Wing (intelligence body RAW) under the Prime Minister of India, characterised the promptness of the return visit to Bangladesh by the Indian army chief as a diplomatic message.

   The essence of the message, according to Dr. Kapila, is that "India (as a rising regional and potential global power) is investing in building substantive relationship with Bangladesh." He noted that this was a visit by an Indian army chief for "military to military contact" after a lapse of seven years.

   The last visit was in 2001. "All Indian Army chiefs routinely visit a number of foreign countries once during their tenure of office as part of high-level military to military contacts supplementing other Indian foreign initiatives." General Kapoor's Bangladesh visit followed closely the recent Foreign Secretary-level talks in New Delhi between Bangladesh and India. Dr. Kapoor therefore considers this visit particularly significant and also significant from the Indian paint of view is that "succeeding the visit of Indian Army chief would be joint discussions between the Home Secretaries of India and Bangladesh to sort out issues of border incidents and infiltration."

   He did not mention the transit demand of India through Bangladesh, but since it was on priority agenda for India at the foreign secretaries-level meeting, inclusion of the issue was indeed implied. Elaborating on the impasse of conventional Indian positions with relation to Bangladesh, Dr. Kapila noted: "General Deepak Kapoor could then be left free to discuss, explore and suggest newer and deeper initiatives to further the 'ushering in a new era of close cooperation in Bangladesh-India military cooperation' as highlighted by the Bangladesh Army Chief during his visit to India in February, 2008."

   Dr. Kapila interpreted the quoted overture of the Bangladesh Army chief and also the Foreign Office responses of the Caretaker Government of Bangladesh as a welcome change from the Indian point of view, "to more nuanced policy approaches to India" than earlier governments. He further noted: "India's policy establishment needs to factor-in its strategic and political calculus the centrality of Bangladesh Army chief and the Bangladesh Army in Bangladesh's policy establishment and governance." Dr. Kapila took credit for identifying earlier in his analyses that: "Bangladesh-India strategic partnership is an idea and a strategic imperative whose time has come to be implemented by both countries. In South Asia, in terms of relative stability, Bangladesh offers more promising (dividends) than Pakistan. Bangladesh, therefore, deserves a higher priority then Pakistan in terms of strategic and political effort by India's political establishment, diplomats and the strategic community.... (Bangladesh's) war of liberation itself was a strategic partnership between Bangladesh liberation stalwarts and the Indian nation state."

   So far so good, and the Indian Army Chief's visit was not much of a departure from the dotted lines of policy analysis by Dr. Kapoor from the Indian point of view. But Dr. Kapoor somehow wishfully concluded that there are "pointed indicators" from the Bangladesh side that a new "Bangladesh trend to craft its relationship with India based on strategic realities rather than pan-Islamism". By pan-Islamism, Dr. Kapila meant the active membership and involvement of Bangladesh in the organization of Islamic countries.

   A Bangladeshi former diplomat knowledgeable in the evolution of strategic thinking and current developments of strategic partnerships of all kinds questioned the validity of that finding of Dr. Kapila. He noted that 70 per cent of Bangladesh's foreign exchange remittances come from Islamic countries of the Middle East and Southeast Asia. Scope of manpower exports of Bangladesh is highest in these countries and there are hardly any hiccups in the relationship of Bangladesh with other OIC member states. Relationship with India, on the other hand, is handicapped by barbed-wire fences and trigger-happy BSF "head-hunters" along the Bangladesh border, not to speak of long-standing disputes and distrust accruing over water sharing and border delineation problems over the years. Bangladesh draws strength from its membership of OIC in the international order. India, on the other hand, has yet to offer relatively favourable access to its domestic market for Bangladeshi goods.

   The Bangladesh diplomat, however, recognised on the strength of his own private information from sources in Bangladesh mission in India, that General Kapoor was more pragmatic and persuasive in his approach than his predecessors or his counterparts in the Indian security establishment with regard to Bangladesh. He said he understood from his sources that General Kapoor was invited last month to a meeting of the Indian Cabinet Committee of National Security. The Cabinet committee was considering a special report from the Research and Analysis Wing about troubles in Northeast India.

   The report suggested that Bangladesh should be pressurised to hunt and hand over Northeast Indian separatists hiding in its territory. If Bangladesh does not cooperate, India should back Chakma malcontents in Bangladesh and stir up tramples in the Chittagong Hill Tracts. When asked for his opinion, General Kapoor is said to have outright rejected the suggestion. He is said to have pointed out that India was maintaining military-to-military contact and cooperative with China and Myanmar, and engaging in joint military exercises with them. In the national interest of India itself, better military-to-military relationship with Bangladesh should be cultivated so that the rear ground of India in any event of war in the north remains friendly and free from aggravation
 
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RE: [mukto-mona] KNOW THYSELF.

Every good person can rightfully question the essential good qualities of a human being when crimes are committed by the same human being in whom the assumptive God is supposed to be omnipresent. This is the reason the poor God bears serious blame for his inaction or total callousness. If this God, all powerful and all good God fails the expectations of his believers He needs to be castigated or totally disregarded. This gives the clue that the premise of an all powerful and all good God some where in the galaxies is a total fallacy and a fable. On the other hand the existence of goodness in every human being is possible if the hidden goodness can be cultivated and discovered. This has been proved by facts that some among us showed extraordinary qualities as a human being through dedication to goodness. We call them sages, sadhus, hrishies, fakirs and prophets. But criteria of a good soul are not limited to these special peoples only. We know very good people in our everyday life as well who are doing sansar but maintained a very high standard of goodness.

 

As the sages said that God within us is like a piece of hidden diamond waiting to be uncovered. Our efforts to cultivate goodness bring that hiding glow into the open. In that effort what we get is not God but the realization of a supreme goodness. A sense of freedom, a power to see things generously, a power to forgive and love. This does not make us superman or we can play magic, do or undo the impossible. People can call it God or by any other name but that does not bring into existence of an exalted deity. The word God as a separate entity, all powerful, all good, is deeply engraved in the peoples mind it will continue to mesmerize millions for a long time to come. But the reality is taking shape slowly but steadily.

 

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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] KNOW THYSELF.

1. The metaphysical or philosophical (not scientific at all) invention that I am He (soh hi ohom) and belief in the same has far reaching practical implications. If every one (any living thing) is potentially He, then the world should be a conflict free heaven. It has not happened in several thousand years.

2. "Know thyself" (Aristotle), Jesus' testimony on resurrection "I am He", "Everybody comes from Him and goes back to Him" (a Muslim utters on hearing the death news of another Muslim), and similar utterances by Sufi poets and others from different parts of the world and at different times are closely comparable to "Sohohm".

3. Ancient Indian sages (and others too) have philosophically "solved the mystery" in many ways!  Solving the mystery is not enough. The major task is to change the world so that there is no discrimination---no caste hatred, no religious hatred, no racism, no persecution, no oppression, no exploitation, and so on. Unfortunately it has not happened.

4. We may feel proud of the "Bharat Chinta" (referring to a post by Tistarbahe) but being proud is one thing and seeing injustice everywhere is another thing. Upanishadic Bharat-chinta proved to be insufficient. For example we had to wait long (Buddha found the wrong early) to realize that many elements in the "Bharat-chinta" were inhuman. Infusion of "Arab-chinta" (again referring to Tistarbahe's e-mail) into "Bharat-chinta" proved to be a positive development. We got Chaitanyadeb, Kabir, Nanak, Rajab, Laon, Vivekananda, and others. America had to build on "Farasi-chinta" and other "chintas" too. There is nothing wrong about it.  

5. I love to argue with my elder brother Dr. Jiten Roy. But I have to go now. He once complained that Sunil Gangooly is a fervent critic of Hindus. He did not elaborate. It is easy to assassinate one's character. But evidences are required. He still owes a response to my e-mail. l don't think he has anything to say against Sunil on this point.

6. I have quoted below a poem by 8th century Vedanta scholar Shankaracharya which I hope Akbar Bhaiya, a mystic man, will love.

--SC 

                    I am He!

                                      Mind, nor intellect, nor ego, feeling;

Sky nor earth nor metals am I.

I am He, I am He, Blessed spirit, I am He!

No birth, no death, no caste have I;

Father, mother, have I none.

I am He, I am He, Blessed spirit, I am He!

Beyond the flights of fancy, formless am I,

Permeating the limbs of all life;

Bondage I do not fear; I am free, ever free.

I am He, I am He, Blessed spirit, I am He!



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[mukto-mona] Example of peace?


Two news

 

  1. A peace loving (!) Bangladeshi terrorist Muhammed Yaseen (25) was involved (?) in Ahmedadbad series bombing. Mr. Yaseen was arrested in Jalpaiguri (Source: Samokal 2nd Feb 2008)
  2. ISI, the pioneer to establish peace in Muslim countries, was involved in Kabul Indian embassy bombing –detail in NY Times, Aug 01, 2008 report below.

   




NEW YORK TIMES

August 1, 2008

Pakistanis Aided Attack in Kabul, U.S. Officials Say

WASHINGTON — American intelligence agencies have concluded that members of Pakistan's powerful spy service helped plan the deadly July 7 bombing of India's embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan, according to United States government officials.
The conclusion was based on intercepted communications between Pakistani intelligence officers and militants who carried out the attack, the officials said, providing the clearest evidence to date that Pakistani intelligence officers are actively undermining American efforts to combat militants in the region.
The American officials also said there was new information showing that members of the Pakistani intelligence service were increasingly providing militants with details about the American campaign against them, in some cases allowing militants to avoid American missile strikes in Pakistan's tribal areas.
Concerns about the role played by Pakistani intelligence not only has strained relations between the United States and Pakistan, a longtime ally, but also has fanned tensions between Pakistan and its archrival, India. Within days of the bombings, Indian officials accused the Directorate of Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, of helping to orchestrate the attack in Kabul, which killed 54, including an Indian defense attaché.
This week, Pakistani troops clashed with Indian forces in the contested region of Kashmir, threatening to fray an uneasy cease-fire that has held since November 2003.
The New York Times reported this week that a top Central Intelligence Agency official traveled to Pakistan this month to confront senior Pakistani officials with information about support provided by members of the ISI to militant groups. It had not been known that American intelligence agencies concluded that elements of Pakistani intelligence provided direct support for the attack in Kabul.
American officials said that the communications were intercepted before the July 7 bombing, and that the C.I.A. emissary, Stephen R. Kappes, the agency's deputy director, had been ordered to Islamabad, Pakistan's capital, even before the attack. The intercepts were not detailed enough to warn of any specific attack.
The government officials were guarded in describing the new evidence and would not say specifically what kind of assistance the ISI officers provided to the militants. They said that the ISI officers had not been renegades, indicating that their actions might have been authorized by superiors.
"It confirmed some suspicions that I think were widely held," one State Department official with knowledge of Afghanistan issues said of the intercepted communications. "It was sort of this 'aha' moment. There was a sense that there was finally direct proof."
The information linking the ISI to the bombing of the Indian Embassy was described in interviews by several American officials with knowledge of the intelligence. Some of the officials expressed anger that elements of Pakistan's government seemed to be directly aiding violence in Afghanistan that had included attacks on American troops.
Some American officials have begun to suggest that Pakistan is no longer a fully reliable American partner and to advocate some unilateral American action against militants based in the tribal areas.
The ISI has long maintained ties to militant groups in the tribal areas, in part to court allies it can use to contain Afghanistan's power. In recent years, Pakistan's government has also been concerned about India's growing influence inside Afghanistan, including New Delhi's close ties to the government of Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president.
American officials say they believe that the embassy attack was probably carried out by members of a network led by Maulavi Jalaluddin Haqqani, whose alliance with Al Qaeda and its affiliates has allowed the terrorist network to rebuild in the tribal areas.
American and Pakistani officials have now acknowledged that President Bush on Monday confronted Pakistan's prime minister, Yousaf Raza Gilani, about the divided loyalties of the ISI.
Pakistan's defense minister, Chaudhry Ahmed Mukhtar, told a Pakistani television network on Wednesday that Mr. Bush asked senior Pakistani officials this week, " 'Who is in control of ISI?' " and asked about leaked information that tipped militants to surveillance efforts by Western intelligence services.
Pakistan's new civilian government is wrestling with these very issues, and there is concern in Washington that the civilian leaders will be unable to end a longstanding relationship between members of the ISI and militants associated with Al Qaeda.
Spokesmen for the White House and the C.I.A. declined to comment for this article. Pakistan's ambassador to the United States, Husain Haqqani, did not return a call seeking comment.
Further underscoring the tension between Pakistan and its Western allies, Britain's senior military officer said in Washington on Thursday that an American and British program to help train Pakistan's Frontier Corps in the tribal areas had been delayed while Pakistan's military and civilian officials sorted out details about the program's goals.
Britain and the United States had each offered to send about two dozen military trainers to Pakistan later this summer to train Pakistani Army officers who in turn would instruct the Frontier Corps paramilitary forces.
But the British officer, Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup, said the program had been temporarily delayed. "We don't yet have a firm start date," he told a small group of reporters. "We're ready to go."
The bombing of the Indian Embassy helped to set off a new deterioration in relations between India and Pakistan.
This week, Indian and Pakistani soldiers fired at each other across the Kashmir frontier for more than 12 hours overnight Monday, in what the Indian Army called the most serious violation of a five-year-old cease-fire agreement. The nightlong battle came after one Indian soldier and four Pakistanis were killed along the border between sections of Kashmir that are controlled by India and by Pakistan.
Indian officials say they are equally worried about what is happening on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border because they say the insurgents who are facing off with India in Kashmir and those who target Afghanistan are related and can keep both borders burning at the same time.
India and Afghanistan share close political, cultural and economic ties, and India maintains an active intelligence network in Afghanistan, all of which has drawn suspicion from Pakistani officials.
When asked Thursday about whether the ISI and Pakistani military remained loyal to the country's civilian government, Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, sidestepped the question. "That's probably something the government of Pakistan ought to speak to," Admiral Mullen told reporters at the Pentagon.
Jalaluddin Haqqani, the militia commander, battled Soviet troops during the 1980s and has had a long and complicated relationship with the C.I.A. He was among a group of fighters who received arms and millions of dollars from the C.I.A. during that period, but his allegiance with Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda during the following decade led the United States to sever the relationship.
Mr. Haqqani and his sons now run a network that Western intelligence services say they believe is responsible for a campaign of violence throughout Afghanistan, including the Indian Embassy bombing and an attack on the Serena Hotel in Kabul earlier this year.
David Rohde contributed reporting from New York, and Somini Sengupta from New Delhi.


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