Pakistan was planning to conquer Saudi Arabia? Across the ocean?
TURKMAN: Which Ocean? I thought it was called Arabian Sea and then to reach Eastern Saudi Arabia you go thru Persian Gulf.
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Where Pakistan had only 60,000 troops to keep in East Pakistan,
TURKMAN: Oh, I see, then may be all of them were Females and had given birth to 33,000 in Indian Jails because when India released them, they had become 93,000.
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How much troops, you think would be sufficient to occupy Saudi Arabia? 5 or 15? With or without guns?
TURKMAN: It had taken less than 200 Tribesmen armed with Swords a few Rifles and some backing of British in 1913, when Saud had overthrown the Caliph's Governor to start the Kingdom now called Saudi Arabia. He believes Pakistan could control population of 72 million with 60,000 Troops but had no capability to control a country of just 10 million of which 70% were Foreign Workers and 90% of Foreign Workers were Pakis.
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Even today, Pakistan does not possess the capabilities to transfer military and military equipment across the sea, how Pakistan would have been entering Saudi Arabia at that time? So US send 1600 troops to Saudi Arabia? Because they were afraid of Saddam? Not Pakistan?
TURKMAN: No. They were afraid of Al Qaeda Terrorists with a history of causing trouble. If Pakistan had capability to transfer most of Men of East Pakistan Rifles to West Pakistan and transport 93,000 West Pakistani Troops to conquer East Pakistan, she also had capability of taking-over Saudi Arabia.
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I am quite sure that most of Bangalis are well aware about different Fiqah in Islam and so, you can not install germs of hate by targeting Wahabis, in between other schools of thoughts, like Hanifi, which has been followed in Bangladesh.
TURKMAN: Oh yeah, Wahabism is good Bangladeshis so they can turn her in to what Pakistan is now, Suicide Bombings against Pak Army twice a week by your Wahabi Taliban. Right?
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Whether Saudis nationalised or de-nationalised. It is their internal matters.
We do not think that we need to argue on it.
TURKMAN: Who was arguing about it? I had only stated the fact that USA had encouraged them to nationalize Oil Wells.
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They did what they think was the best for their nation.
TURKMAN: But they had not until they got okay from USA, otherwise, they couldn't even dream of doing that and this is why Saudi Royal Family is still loyal to USA.
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And by the way, Let's say if they would have not nationalised the oil things. What would happen. The powerful Oil entrepreneurs from the criminal country, USA would have already bought all oil wells in Saudi Arabia.
TURKMAN: USA Oil companies had already owned those Oil Wells ignorant.
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And the Saudis would also buying Petrol on the rate at which we buy in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Additionally, the money in the bank accounts, which directly relate to the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia, would have been in the bank accounts of Oil entrepreneurs of USA. So they saved their wealth from going to other's hands? Isn't it?
TURKMAN: No its not. They were getting only 1/1000th of price of Oil from Oil Companies and were quite happy with that.
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And what the Pakistani governments are doing now a days. They are privatising everything. See what Hubco did to this nation. Within a night electricity rates rose to double even triple. The Zionists are also active in Pakistan and buying Pakistan's crucial assets hiddenly. Recently, Agha Khan bought Habib Bank in just couple of billions of Pak Rupees. What was going to happen to country's biggest steel mill? Thanks to the useless fight between so called independent judiciary and the president. Atleast, Steel Mills had been saved from going to foreign hands. Dubai Bank's financial advisers are UK based banks. Those banks provide Internet based banking facility to their corporate customers in UK. but as per their advises, Dubai bank argue that the Internet banking facility could not be given to companies? Why?
Additionally, foreign funded NGOs in Pakistan are building pressure on the government to nationalise all the agriculture lands from Jagirdars and Seminars. Why? Just because they had been awarded this land by the brighteners? And what will you do with this land after nationalising? Oh, we will do corporate farming and from where those corporate farmers will come? While you kill local corporate farmers? The multinational companies, They argue. So the human being will be removed from the owner ship paper of each piece of lands and stamp paper, made in US will be installed. They will install big mills and buy all milk from farmers? and sell that milk at high prices in local market and will also export that to their own countries. Where the cost is too high? Lot of things to discuss only on this single issue. But first, you got to learn more from your paymasters.
TURKMAN: Bhutto had nationalized all Industries and Institutions including Private Colleges. Punjabi Govt Bureaucracy ran all of them and scavanged them. Later, the situation was that Pakistan earned no income from them and was actually printing more and more currency just to pay salaries of Employees (70 to 95% Punjabis), who didn't even show-up to work. When IMF found-out this B.S. it had refused to loan anymore money until those industries and institutions were privatized. Why the hell you think, your Punjabis should be making good money doing nothing? Machinery was not even there in Hundreds of Factories because you guys had already sold it and Employees were getting their Salaries sitting home.
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So when Pakistanis were fighting with each other. Pakistanis were also intending to occupy Saudi Arabia? May be you like to tell us the reasons too? No?
TURKMAN: Why not. People in Armed Forces were being told, Rebellion in East Pakistan was just an abberration and Pakistan had a lot greater plans to keep their moral high in East Pakistan and I was one of the witnesses of that.
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About the memo you talked about. Where did you get this memo, by the way? While I am almost a full time researcher and many others, we never found any such memo. Which website, you saw this memo at? Which book? Who told you about this memo? Do you have any other memo in hand? Do you have a memo in Which the forces in East Pakistan had been told that the new commander of East Pakistan Command in on his way to East Pakistan?
TURKMAN: You must be crazy asking these questions, when I already told you, who I'm.
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When CIA learnt about that US Naval Fleet's presence in the Gulf? Are you trying to tell us that CIA was not aware of its presence in Gulf? Or What? Can you help us to understand that why military movements need to be kept hidden from the country's most sophisticated Intelligence Agency. But the first question is what you intending to say here. You had mixed it up everything in all your post.
TURKMAN: I have no idea, what the hell you are asking, Kid.
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So Pakistan decided to occupy Saudi Arabia in 1971, when its own existence was in danger and then it sees that Americans are deploying forces in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan ADVISED Saudis not to allow Americans and they accepted this advised. Later in 90s Saudis allowed Americans, because of Saddam. Who invaded Kuwait? So you are trying to tell us that Pakistan kept waiting for more than a decade for favourable time to invade Saudi Arabia?
And ISI begged Osama to come Afghanistan to over through the Saudi government? Why not they begged Osama to go to Saudi Arabia and build a Mujahideen force to over through Saudi government and make the opportunity of safe entry in Saudi Arabia for Pakistan?
TURKMAN: Because there was no chance that Osama was not going to get beheaded for Treason as soon as he had landed in Saudi Arabia.
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And so Osama has no friend or family member left in Saudi Arabia, who can call him and tell him that Pakistan lied with him that US troops are physically present in Macca? Is this what you are saying?
TURKMAN: Yes he does but he had to believe in what ISI had told him that American Troops are even in Kaabah. Why would he have not done that knowing ISI had negotiated his Sanctuary in Afghanistan with Taliban (who did not want him)?
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So the wish of Pakistan to occupy Saudi Arabia was populated in 1971, when its own existence was danger and it was near to break into two. And still he is following invasion plan, when he has been heavily under attack from the monster country, USA and on the other side, Indians had also started violating cease fire line in Kashmir?
TURKMAN: Pakistan was under US Attack, when Pakistan had become a Live-in Son in Law of USA after Soviets moved in to Afghanistan? Thanks for letting us know.
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Pakistan was unable to attack Saudi Arabia because of just 1600 monster soldiers and now it can attack, when hundreds of thousands of soldiers of monster is present in Saudi Arab, in Iraq and most importantly in Afghanistan.How Pakistan could attack on Saudi Arab now. While they are also well equipped with world's most dangerous Early warning system AWACS?
TURKMAN: When had I said that?
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Sahibzada Yaqoob was remain Commander of Eastern Command for only one week. What advice did he gave to Gen. Madhya? May be, you like to tell us that too.
TURKMAN: You are a Liar because Gen. Yaqoob was not GOC of East Pakistan for just a week.
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And also explain that how did you ascertain that Mujeeb order to slaughter the Biharis?
TURKMAN: Because without his orders, it would not have started.
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My maternal Family linked to Descendents of Tipu Sultan and half of their family was filthy rich of East Pakistan. So much land was owned by one of my cousins that he never lost any National Assembly contests in Rajshahi District. His sister was married to Ahmed Raza Choudhry of Nawab of Dacca family. All of Sh. Mujib's top secret meetings were held in his posh Bungalow in Dhonmondi, Dhaka
When you first introduced yourself in other Pakistan based yahoo group. You said that you are from Pakistan and now you become Bangali.
TURKMAN: Please show me, when I have ever said this on Internet besides admitting that I came to USA on a Pakistani Passport ...!
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Will you please explain this and also tell us who was left behind in the family of Tipu Sultan? What was happened to his two sons? So where the decedents came from? Or may be you had just copied someone else' writing in your post? Will you please make it clear?
TURKMAN: To the best of what my Maternal Grandmother told me, Shah Bakhtyar was the only Descendent left and he lived in Calcutta. He married her only cousin or the only daughter of younger brother of her father, who's name was Nawab Zulfiqar Ali Baig (who had also served as Diwaan of Kashmir until death of 2nd last Maharaja of Kashmir). She had one boy she called 'Bubban' and 2 daughters Jehan Aara and Dil Aara. Jehan Aara's family moved to East Pakistan after 1950's and had bought Tea Gardens in Sylhet and a lot of land in Rajshahi District. Her son always won a National Assembly seat from Rajshahi because all his Voters lived free on his family's land. 'Bubban' and Dil Aara's family still lives in Calcutta. I personally know, the the family of Auntie Jehan Aara but I only know personally two sons and one daughter of Auntie Dil Aara living in Calcutta.
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How can you ascertain that the Jamaat of Bangladesh is intending what you said in your last paragraph? OK. Just to ask you a question. Let's assume that Pakistan and Bangladesh decides to become one country again and "Bangladesh" is declared its new name. Doest that mean that we in West Bangladesh, will become slaves of East Bangladesh? While we share the same religion? The slaves are Muslims in India, where every second day Hindus slaughters them.
TURKMAN: Kid, you are pretty confused. I have no idea, what your questions is. All I can guess is that you want Bangladeshis to become Slaves of Punjabis ruling Pakistan. Are you a Punjabi, Kid?
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The slaves are Red Indians, who had been slaughtered by the English people and that was the world's biggest genocide. Millions of red Indians were assassinated by the English people. The slaves were Japanese, when the monster fired a nuclear bomb over them and occupy their country and installed a General their. The slaves are Falasteeni people, whose lands had been robed by the Zionists.
TURKMAN: By that logic, the Slaves were Bengalis, the Baluchis, the Mohajirs, the Kurds, the Black Moslims and Christians of Sudan, the nations of North Africa in 7th Century etc, etc. More of them have been slaughtered by us than any Christians have slaughtered Red Indians and others in the history of mankind.
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Neither in Bangladesh, nor in Pakistan, people have any such intentions. However, both countries could sign FTAs. Can follow a same currency and could invite other small South Asian countries to join their combined currency and there are many other things we can do jointly.
TURKMAN: Why not include India in this deal and have some kind of over-look authority so no country keeps printing so much money causing Inflation?
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We do not need to re-unite both countries, Mr. Turkman. As we were never separated. Just for a small time, we had hesitated to meet each other. But now, everything is going to normal again.
TURKMAN: On my dead body.
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Pakistan and Bangladesh could join hands to fight against common threats for both countries.
TURKMAN: What is their Common Threat?
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Both can create some joint currency and later on could drag more countries into it, like Srilanka. A lot of other things we can do. Pakistan already providing training to Bangladeshi military officers. Lot of Bangali army men get trained from Pakistan military academy. More co-operation need in economy as well. And we are working on it.
Thanks.
Saj
TURKMAN: All who have received training from Pak Army should be fired because no Bangladeshi wants to become a Slave of Punjabis again and Pakistan is ruled by Punjabis, who were dead against formation of Pakistan until 1947, when Viceroy had decided to let us have Punjab also. Mr. Jinnah did that without knowing that it was going to be the biggest mistake of his life.
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Until 1960's nobody had thought we would ever start going backwards and start listening to our crazy Molllaas. Even our educated Mollaas like Moulvi Farid Ahmed, who always got elected to National Assembly from Faridpur was like Moulvis and Mollaas of now-a-days.
The biggest problem started, when USA backed nationalization of Oil Wells by Saudi Royal Family and it started spending tons of money on spread of their Wahabi form of Islam. Now they are themselves are victim of Osama, who had declared JehaaD in 1996 against the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia on the advice of ISI of Pakistan.
Pakistan had intention of conquering Saudi Arabia in 1971, when a secret office Memo of fore-runner of ISI, the FIC was circulated to raise the moral of Pak Army in East Pakistan saying, "What a joke that people think, we can not keep East Pakistan in control, when we are actually now planning to go ahead with our secret plan to invade the stupid small Oil Kingdoms soon".
When CIA learnt about that US Naval Fleet's presence in the Gulf become more prominant but Pakistan had advised Saudis to never let American Forces land on their soil. Saudis followed the advice but after being threatened by Saddam, they had let 1600 US Soldiers be stationed on their soil after Kuwait Freedom War of USA because Al Qaeda had already started its attacks in Saudi Arabia against the Royal Family.
Pakistan could not attack Saudi Arabia, when there were US Marines there and thousands more were in US Naval Fleet with Aircraft Careers stationed in Oman next door. This is why ISI had begged Osama to come back to Afghanistan and overthrow Saudi Royal Family. Lies were told by ISI to Osama that even Meccaa has been defiled by presence of US Troops because actually they rule Mecca. The Truth was, there were no US Soldiers in Mecca or Madina but Osama claimed that in his speeches trusting ISI.
Pakistan had expected no resistance in Saudi Arabia and other small Gulf Countries, when her Army landed there because half of population there was Pakistanis and almost all of them were Punjabi Migrant Workers on 2 year Visa. USA had become a Bone in that soft nice smelling Kabob ready for Lunch. Pakistan had wanted US Army out of there at any cost so, Iran was told to harrass US Navy and Iranian crazy stupids actually followed Pak advice though it made no difference in the end.
. This one of the brains of former East and West Pakistan, who sat in FIC Headquarter of East Pakistan located in National Assembly Building, Dhaka in 1971 but couldn't do a thing to stop my government from being turned a government of thugs.
The one, who knew, when to talk, when to shut-up, when to punch, when to beat the shit out of opponent and when to walk-way. I made it to USA in 1973, when all my colleagues were still in Indian Jails and remained there even longer. FIC Headquarter in Dhaka had told Gen. Yahya that he was wrong not accepting advice of one of the most senior Urdu Speaking General Sahibzada Yaqoob, who was Commander of Pak Army in East Pakistan.
FIC had recommended National Assembly Session but when it was not accepted, it was recommended to let Awami League at least form Provincial Government of East Pakistan. When that was rejected also and General Sahibzada Yaqoob was ordered to arrest Sh. Mujib and start Operation killing Hindus and Awami League people, Gen. Yaqoob had refused.
When he refused, he was demoted to a Brigadier's Rank, transferred back to Pakistan and Gen. Tikka Khan was sent to follow the orders, which he did after Republic Day. Sh. Mujib had known all this so he had ordered slaughter of Beharis and a general Rebellion two days ahead of Republic Day.
My maternal Family linked to Descendents of Tipu Sultan and half of their family was filthy rich of East Pakistan. So much land was owned by one of my cousins that he never lost any National Assembly contests in Rajshahi District. His sister was married to Ahmed Raza Choudhry of Nawab of Dacca family. All of Sh. Mujib's top secret meetings were held in his posh Bungalow in Dhonmondi, Dhaka.
Mrs. Choudhry once took me to one of her uncle Khwaja Khairuddin's apartment in Dacca. He had no idea, who I was except for being a cousin, which I was. He as a Lawyer of Sh. Mujib from days of Agartala Case, told me that Sh. Mujib had issued no statements that he could be arrested constitutionally and he was correct.
I had no legal reason to get him arrested because he had claimed to have no knowledge that Banga BonDhoo had ordered riots on 21st of March, 1971. Years later it turned-out that was a mistake. Awami League considered him a Traitor because he spoke Urdu too (though not good enough) and he had to flee to Pakistan, when he was actually a patriot of about to be formed Bangladesh.
I felt very bad when I heard that Molana BHashani and Moulvi Farid Ahmed were killed by Awami League people. Both of them were for Bengalis. Both of them had fought for rights of East Pakistanis in National Assembly. Both of them were never scared of criticizing West Pakistanis hegemony in National Assembly though they were Representives of opposite Philosophies of each other.
Molana BHaashani believed in some violence because he was a Moaist but Moulvi Farid Ahmed was real intellectual and was wondering, who is behind this revolution against Ayub long before emergence of Awami League as Super Victorious party of East Pakistan. I think, he knew, it was CIA because I later found-out that Pres. Nixon had wanted East Pakistanis to rule Pakistan. Nixon's problem was, he had no idea that West Pakistan was such Democratic to let East Pakistanis rule Pakistan.
The Result was that Ballot Box Rigging was such that people, who lived free on my cousin in Rajshahi's land, who would have died before they could vote my Anti Ayub Council League Member of National Assembly were declared they had voted for some unknown candidate of Awami League. We had more than 300 acres of Tea Gardens in Sylhet also and our candidate, who hand nothing to do with our family was defeated by CIA-sponsored Ballot Box stuffing.
Who did all that if not ancestors of present Bangladeshi youth?
Now its a lost cause that JmaaTay Islami wants us to become Slaves of Pakistan again. They must be living in a Dreamworld.
