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Re: [mukto-mona] Atrocites on Hindu Minorities continue

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In destroying the secular fabric, Awami league is not less efficient than
any other party.


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[mukto-mona] America's political landscape becoming a mega pigsty!

America's political landscape becoming a mega pigsty!

 

A.H. Jaffor Ullah

 

The U.S. presidential election is hardly less than 55 days away but the negative campaign has started in full swing to fill the airwaves.  Many political observers including this scribe, however, had predicted this a long time ago.  The Republican Party is famous for doing dirty politics when the fight for White House goes underway.  For example, in the summer of 1972, Richard M. Nixon's campaign wiretapped George McGovern's campaign headquarters located in the Watergate Complex in Washington.  We all know what happened next.  President Nixon resigned in August 1974 after serving nearly 18 months when it was increasingly becoming clear that he would be impeached by American legislators in the Congress. 

 

President Ford and Reagan did not follow in the footsteps of Richard Nixon.  The presidential elections in 1976, 1980, and 1984 were free from overtly negative campaign.  But in 1988 President George H.W. Bush ran a outright dirty campaign to malign Governor Michael Dukakis by using some of the nastiest TV Ads including one that is infamously known as "Willy Horton" Ad.  That did Governor Dukakis in. 

 

In 2004 the Republicans unleashed the so-called "Swiftboaters" of America, a group of Vietnam veterans who falsely questioned the service record of Senator John Kerry who himself was a Vietnam veteran.  That negative Ad also squished Kerry's chance to win the election in certain battleground states.  Turn up the clock to 2008.  This time around, Senator McCain's campaign has started to run a cavalcade of negative campaign to malign Senator Obama.  The idea is to plant the seed of distrust among voters.

 

The Republicans tried to float such wild ideas about Senator Obama as – he is a closet Muslim.  They pointed out that Obama's middle name is Arabic.  They also said that Obama's preacher is a radical priest who hates the white Americans.  They also tried their best to portray Obama as a non-patriot who should not be trusted.  Senator Obama's wife, Michelle, also came under fire; they called her an unpatriotic American who is also a radical.  However, all these incidences of misportrayals did not work and Americans were quick to figure out that an evil campaign by the Republican Party's tricksters was behind the character assassination of Obama family.

 

The Obama campaign was prepared for the onslaught of negative campaigns from their counterpart.  They decided to tackle the negative Ads by counter Ads.  The Republican plan was to keep Obama busy to counter the allegations.  That way, Obama will not be able to bring his message of "Change" to American electorates.

 

In the first week of September 2008 when Alaska's governor, Sarah Palin, was selected by McCain to be his running mate, the dynamics of election changed a bit and the Republican Party's fundamentalist Christian wing was energized at long last.  All of a sudden, the photogenic VP candidate became talk of the town.  This was followed by a slight bump in the poll in favor of McCain-Palin ticket.  This is not unusual to receive a bump in the opinion poll right after the convention.  This is pretty much a normal thing but the bump in the opinion poll is ephemeral, which vanishes in just few days.

 

On September 9, 2008 a controversy brewed out concerning the phrase "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig" used by Senator Obama in his stump in Lebanon, a small town in Virginia.  In the Republican convention in St. Paul, McCain introduced him as an agent of "Change."  But that was Obama's campaign slogan, which he used quite successfully all through the primaries from January through June 2008.  Obama jokingly said to his followers that a pig remains a pig even after applying lipstick.  In a metaphoric sense McCain is still the same old McCain even after calling himself as an agent of "Change."

 

The McCain campaign was quick to take an affront to Obama's speech by calling it a smear on Governor Palin.  Many political observers have opined in CNN that the point of reference of Obama's statement was not Sarah Palin but John McCain.  It should be pointed out here that in her acceptance speech on September 3, 2008 Ms. Palin had said that the only difference between a "hockey mom" like herself and a pit-bull was "lipstick."  In the aftermath of St. Paul convention Ms. Palin has taken up the role of "pit-bull" to maul Obama in every opportunity she gets in the stumps while standing next to John McCain.  Incidentally, the McCain campaign is not letting her loose for the fear that she being a political neophyte may cause some embarrassment by saying off the wall stuffs.    

 

Anita Dunn, a spokesperson from Obama campaign, said, "This phony lecture on gender sensitivity is the height of cynicism and lays bare the increasingly dishonorable campaign John McCain has chosen to run."

 

In summary, the political landscape in America is becoming a pigsty already.  Thanks to McCain campaign for making the placid stump grounds into danger-laden minefields.  As the campaign progresses, there will be more skirmishes.  Amidst all the cacophony, the Internet is playing a positive role where there is no dearth of political pundits who are leaving their blogs to lambaste the guilty party.  The democratization of media and the cyberspace is helping the voters to know who is behind the dirty campaign.  All I could say is caveat emptor.

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A.H. Jaffor Ullah, a researcher and columnist, writes from New Orleans, USA

 

       

 

      

 

 

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[ALOCHONA] Politics unto death

Vows Jalil after bail, 'resumes' charge of AL general secretary

Immediately after getting ad interim bail yesterday, Abdul Jalil resumed responsibility as Awami League (AL) General Secretary ending all speculations over his return to politics, and announced that he would continue to be in politics until the last day of his life.

He returned home on August 31 after prolonged treatment in Singapore since his release on parole on March 2.

Jalil formally starts his activities as party general secretary this morning after placing wreaths at the portrait of father of the nation Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman on Road-32 at Dhanmondi in the capital.

"I have been involved in politics for long 45 years and I will continue to be so for people's welfare as long as I am alive," Jalil said responding to a query about his earlier statement on quitting politics.

Jalil's announcement to resume as the party general secretary has meanwhile evoked mixed reactions within the AL.

Even party President Sheikh Hasina called acting party chief Zillur Rahman over phone and wanted to know under which grounds Jalil took the charge suddenly.

"She [Hasina] phoned me and wanted to know how he [Jalil] took charge," Zillur told The Daily Star last night.

Sources said Hasina had advised Jalil a couple of days ago to take rest rather than taking charge as the party's general secretary. She said acting General Secretary Syed Ashraful Islam would continue his job.

Speculations about his return to politics grew following his 'mercy petition' to the caretaker government on July 5 last year seeking release, and stating that he had decided to retire from politics, if necessary. In the petition, he also blasted AL President Sheikh Hasina for her 'dictatorial leadership'.

Asked about the petition sent to the government through his wife Rehana Jalil, the AL leader said it would not be proper to create 'further confusion' about it. "I don't know from where the letter (petition) came. But I did not send any letter stating that I'll quit politics, and my wife also did not," he told a press briefing at the Supreme Court Bar Association soon after getting bail.

He however said he had sent a letter to the government for his release and treatment.

But on July 15 last year, in an interview with a private television channel Jalil said he himself wrote a letter to the chief adviser about quitting politics and appealed for his release. Later, he said he might join politics if he is released and recovers from illness.

He also questioned yesterday under which law the media was allowed to interview him while in detention.

Jalil alleged that he was arrested and charged only for harassment. He said his leader [Hasina] had told him that everything was being done with ill motive.

The AL leader mentioned that as per the party constitution, he is supposed to resume activities as general secretary.

"As I was released on parole for treatment on condition that I will not engage in politics or make any political speech while on parole, I did not want to violate it since I am respectful to the rule of law. I was just waiting for bail," he said.

"I asked my party colleague Syed Ashraful Islam (acting general secretary) to continue doing my job. Since my parole was supposed to end today (yesterday), I appealed to the High Court for bail and got bail until October 20," Jalil said. "As a bailed person, I now announce my resumption of duties as Awami League general secretary."

He blamed the media for creating confusion in the past over his party responsibility. "But now there is no scope to create further confusion over the matter," he said.

Replying to another query, Jalil said the AL had supported the caretaker government's anti-corruption drive but it was later conducted on political grounds. "It is not proper to harass people in the name of anti-corruption drive."

JALIL-ZILLUR MEETING
After the press briefing, Jalil rushed to AL acting President Zillur Rahman's Gulshan residence. Zillur received him cordially and expressed satisfaction that he got bail from the High Court.

"We have repeatedly said there is no allegation against him [Jalil]. He was charged and arrested on false and fabricated allegation. We had said earlier that he would not go into hiding if he is set free," said Zillur.

Referring to BNP Chairperson Khaleda Zia's bail, the acting AL chief said they welcome it. But all must be equal before law, he said, adding the government has no right to keep many others detained after the release of Khaleda and her son Tarique Rahman.

Zillur said it now depends on Jalil when he will resume his activities as AL general secretary. But as per the party constitution, the responsibility went to him immediately after his return to the country, he added.

Jalil was arrested by the joint forces from his Mercantile Bank office in the capital on May 28 last year. As he fell sick after his arrest, he was taken to Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujib Medical University Hospital. As his condition deteriorated , he was shifted to LabAid Cardiac Hospital.

Since his condition deteriorated further, he was set free on parole on March 2 for treatment abroad. The next day he went to Singapore and had treatment in Mount Elizabeth Hospital for about six months.
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[ALOCHONA] Secrets of the Taliban's success

Secrets of the Taliban's success

By Syed Saleem Shahzad

Kandahar has traditionally been the city of Afghan royalty, warlords and the center of resistance movements against the British and Russia. It was also the spiritual heartland of the student militia, the Taliban, that emerged in the 1990s to combat the vicious civil war that was tearing the country apart.

The Taliban took over Kabul in 1996 and opened the country to al-Qaeda's training camps, while Osama bin Laden settled in Kandahar. After the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States and the US-led invasion of Afghanistan a few months later, the Taliban agreed to lose their government but, in the tradition of the Afghan code of honor of Pashtunwali, they refused to hand over their most wanted guests to the Americans.

Seven years after 9/11, the resurgent Taliban movement is exclusively led by Kandahari clans, which still boast of their sacrifices for the Islamic brotherhood in the name of Pashtunwali, but they maintain that the Taliban have never harbored - and never will - an aggressive agenda towards the world community.

In a interview with Asia Times Online, Mullah Abdul Jalil, a pioneer of the Taliban movement in Kandahar, elaborated. "There is a lot of rhetoric out of anger and frustration against the West because of the NATO [North Atlantic Treaty Organization] oppression of the Afghan people, but the Taliban leadership still strictly abides by its code of conduct for the resistance against foreign occupation forces in our country," said Jalil, who served as deputy foreign minister and foreign minister during the Taliban regime (1996-2001) .

"Our code of conduct is documented in the Asasi Qanoon [Basic Law of Afghanistan]. Under article 103, it is mentioned that we don't want any disruptions in any country of the world. The Taliban are only a national resistance movement against foreign occupation forces in Afghanistan," said Jalil.

Jalil, 49, hails from Kandahar and attended an Islamic seminary in Quetta, Pakistan, but did not finish his studies because of the emergence of the Afghan resistance to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. Jalil is a thin, down-to-earth man, his hair and beard already snow white, which he ascribes to the years of turmoil he has witnessed in his country. He has never been a military commander, but has always been a part of Taliban leader Mullah Omar's closest inner circle and he is still proud to be one of his close confidants.

Along with the Taliban's foreign minister in 2001, Mullah Abdul Wakeel Muttawakil, Jalil was not comfortable with al-Qaeda being in the country, but when questioned on the matter he initially evaded answering with a smile, saying only that "it is unnecessary to open up controversies".

However, he did then elaborate, "Arabs are different from the Taliban. If today they boost attacks on Western targets, they do so independently. We have nothing to do with their claims. We have always limited our battle to that against NATO and although we could work in Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Russia, China or Iran, we never had any role in these areas.

"Afghanistan has always been a poor country and has never had the capacity to be aggressive against anybody, nor will it do so in the future. This is exactly what Mullah Omar told the Chinese ambassador during the last days of our government in Afghanistan. Even if we provided a place for the people of Eastern Turkistan [Xinjiang province in China] because they migrated to Afghanistan, we did not fuel their [separatist Uyghur] movement from Afghanistan," Jalil insisted.

Jalil's comments did not ring true. Several Taliban commanders, including the slain Mullah Dadullah and Pakistan Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud, besides scores of al-Qaeda members, have maintained that the only way to win the Afghan war against NATO is to attack Western targets in Europe and America. I cited some of their statements to Jalil and asked, "Are they lying, or are you?"

"Nobody is lying. There are issues here to understand. First, there were people like Mullah Dadullah [a senior military commander killed by NATO in 2007] . He was emotional and often engaged in rhetoric - many times - different from Taliban policies, so much so that on several occasions he was warned by the Taliban leadership about his statements to the media.

"Second, it is necessary to understand that there is a sea of difference between the people who call themselves the Pakistan Tehrik-i-Taliban [led by Mehsud] and the Taliban. We have nothing to do with them. In fact, we oppose the policies they adhere to against the Pakistani security forces.

"We individually speak to all groups, whether they are Pakistanis, Kashmiris, Arabs, Uzbeks or whosoever, telling them not to create violence in Pakistan, especially in the name of the Taliban. But although we don't have any control over them, we don't allow such groups to come into our areas. None of these is involved with us in fighting against NATO troops in Afghanistan," Jalil said.
Warming to the subject, Jalil continued, "Nobody has the right to explain any war strategy on our behalf. Our strategy is decided by Mullah Bradar alone. He is the deputy of Mullah Omar and the present chief of military operations. Last year we laid down a policy of a guerrilla war. We cannot afford any mass uprising or face-to-face war, it would only cause a lot of unnecessary casualties."

"But don't you think that in this long process of a guerrilla war, especially as the Taliban don't have the latest weaponry, it would make the Afghan population sick and tired of the Taliban-led resistance?" I asked.

Jalil responded quickly, "Not at all. The Taliban emerged from Kandahar, which has a special dynamic in Afghanistan, and they have never accepted foreign occupation. The Taliban still draws its military leaders from Kandahar, and look at the history of Kandahar ... when I say Kandahar I don't mean the present divisions, it means the entire regions of Helmand, Urzgan and Zabul ... it has always produced the best military leaders.

"The Taliban are not a stand-alone entity. Ninety percent of the present resistance in Kandahar survives because of the masses. They provide shelter to us in their homes, feed us and provide money for us to go back and fight against the foreign forces, and they never mind if in the course of this they suffer casualties because of aerial bombardments," Jalil said. (At least 540 civilians have been killed in the conflict so far this year, a sharp increase over last year's total of 321.)

"Look, the conviction of the masses is the essential thing. The reason why there is not as strong a resistance in the north is that the people are not behind it. Certainly, people across Afghanistan are against the foreign occupation, but for a resistance [to succeed] it needs a special temperament, zeal and strength to face all sorts of hardships. Kandaharis have always shown this and that's why they are ahead of everybody in fighting against foreign troops," Jalil said.

NATO has projected divisions within the Taliban and pointed to the emergence of several former mujahideen leaders to rival the authority of Mullah Omar. Prominent among these is Jalaluddin Haqqani, Anwarul Haq Mujahid and commanders loyal to veteran Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, founder of the Hezb-e Islami (HIA).

"Maulana Jalaluddin Haqqani is a very respected personality in Afghanistan, but he cannot command the resistance because of his age [58] and illnesses. He has always been a part of the Taliban shura [council] and has never parted ways with the Taliban. Now his son Sirajuddin Haqqani is a main commander, but he always coordinates his actions with the Taliban and is completely subject to the Taliban's discipline.

"Anwarul Haq Mujahid has now been officially appointed as the governor of Nangarhar province [which is under the Taliban's shadowy emirates banner] so all these [NATO] projections are wrong. As far as Gulbuddin Hekmatyar is concerned, we are striving for the same cause, but we don't have any regular contact."

Jalil continued, "However, let me tell you, most of the places which were previously Hezb-e Islami strongholds are completely under the Taliban's command. For instance, the HIA recently claimed the killings of [10] French soldiers in Sarobi [50 kilometers east of Kabul]. Actually, it was done by Taliban commander Qari Baryal, who commands the region of Sarobi, the Tagaab Valley and up to Bagram [near Kabul]. The same goes for Wardak and Kapisa [provinces], where the Taliban have largely replaced the HIA's network in the resistance."

There is widespread speculation that the Taliban might attack Kabul any day soon as they now have strong pockets all around the capital. Jalil differs, "Practically, we are in Kabul. We are in Sarobi, which is part of the Kabul district. We are in Maidan Shehr [Wardak province and just 30 kilometers east of Kabul], we are in Nangarhar, which is not far from Kabul. But at present there is no plan to mobilize any attack on Kabul. The reason is the non-availability of resources."

Given the Taliban's long and tough struggle since being ousted in 2001, I raised the issue of whether they might be tempted to compromise with former rivals, such as ethnic Tajik and former president Professor Burhanuddin Rabbani, who recently claimed to have had talks with the Taliban. Or perhaps the Taliban might even engage with the Americans or British.

"During the last [2005 parliamentary] elections, Rabbani and Professor Abdul Rab Rasool Sayyaf [a member of parliament] did speak to the Taliban through mediators. However, they wanted the Taliban's support in the elections. We rejected that idea and since then we have never communicated. We have never had dialogue with the British or with the Americans. There are individuals who have talked to them and this may have created the misunderstanding that the Taliban communicated with them," Jalil said.

I was taken aback by this response. After the US invasion, some overtures were made between the Taliban and the US Central Intelligence Agency - CIA. (See US turns to the Taliban Asia Times Online, June 14, 2003.)

Similarly, in the wake of moves to revive the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan pipeline project, an initiative began in Quetta last year (See Taliban, US in new round of peace talks Asia Times Online, August 21, 2007) which led to the idea of regional jirgas (tribal councils) to start peace talks with the Taliban. The scheme was destroyed because of the strong adverse reaction to the government storming the Taliban-sympathetic Lal Masjid (Red Mosque) in Islamabad last year.

"When Mullah Abdul Razzak held talks with the Americans he had left the Taliban. At that time he was completely independent that's why you cannot call it a dialogue between the CIA and the Taliban. It was purely a case of an individual act. Mullah Abdul Razzak only rejoined the Taliban one year ago. The same goes with Mansoor Dadullah or whosoever held the dialogue. They did it against the Taliban's policy." (Dadullah was later expelled from the Taliban.)

The interview was over and I broke the evening's Ramadan fast with Jalil, and suggested a photograph.

"No. This is the secret to our survival. We never allow photographs, and that is why we can move freely in Afghanistan and the tribal areas [of Pakistan] as nobody recognizes us. Especially with my white hair, nobody suspects me of being Taliban," Jalil said with a smile.

Syed Saleem Shahzad is Asia Times Online's Pakistan Bureau Chief. He can be reached at saleem_shahzad2002@yahoo.com

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[ALOCHONA] FW: [bd_journalists] Fw: [notun_bangladesh] Amar Desh served with legal notice by Prothom Alo and Daily Star



--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
From: Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: FW: [bd_journalists] Fw: [notun_bangladesh] Amar Desh served with legal notice by Prothom Alo and Daily Star
To: "bd_mailer@yahoo.com" <bd_mailer@yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 1:54 PM

 
In reply to Abid Bahar's request to support Amar desh, I wrote him the following:


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Subject: RE: [bd_journalists] Fw: [notun_bangladesh] Amar Desh served with legal notice by Prothom Alo and Daily Star
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:28:52 +0100


 

Thank you for your information about Amar Desh.

 

As a member of the public, I express my full support to Amar Desh for the report referred to, which I believe has been published in the interest of the public. The overriding and salient feature here is the public interest, and not the intimidation of legal wrangling by Dr Kamal Hussain. In my opinion, Amar Desh has every right to publish the report with the question in the report header, as they did, to attract any response about the validity or invalidity of the report. For, the report has already been published in many international electronic newspapers and also in a printed newspaper in Assam. An Indian journalist, who claims to be specialising in Bangladesh, dished out the report to various media, alleging that ULFA has made an investment in the Daily Star-Prothom Alo group. The report on ULFA's investment in Bangladesh is internationally very sensitive, and the informed circle of Bangladesh cannot shut their eyes to it. Just as when reports of terrorism in Bangladesh were published in the international press, it was taken up by the bangladesh media, and some responded with some kind of frenzy. No one went to court over this.

 

Therefore, Amar Desh has done the right thing by bringing the report in question to the public domain in the interest of the public, with a question about whether it is true. They have also printed the rejoinder from the Daily Star group. The matter should have rested peacefully there, until and unless someone would produce evidence to prove or disprove the report, partly or wholly. But to try to gag a newspaper by another newspaper is not the right newsperson spirit. Baksal government gagged all the newspapers except for the subservient or the compliant four. That did not save the government from its disastrous fall.

 

How many times did India accuse Bangladesh of harbouring large numbers of ULFA camps in Bangladesh? How many times has Dr Kamal Hossain gone to the court over this? How many times did India accuse of Bangladeshi terrorists bombing in various places in India? How many times has Dr Kamal Hossain gone to the court over this? 

  When the former Prime minister Sheikh Hasina told her lawyers at a special judge's court recently that Dr Kamal Hossain had whitened Tk 102 crore of black money, he merely, with the pretence of childlike benign innocence, spoke of his ignorance of arithmetic about how many zeroes were required in one crore. But did he go to the court?
 

Dr Kamal Hossain was Minister of Law in 1972, Minister of Foreign Affairs from 1973 to 1975, and Minister of Petroleum and Minerals from 1974 to 1975.

 

Where was he in 1971? Jail? Why does he not make a full statement to the questions posed by the journalists? Where was he when Rakkhi Bahini massacred reportedly 30 thousand patriots during his time as a minister? Where was he when the plunderers and armed thugs, who rampaged in Bangladesh between 1972 and 1975, unleashed a reign of terror? Where was he when, in the man-made famine of 1974, reportedly three- to five hundred thousand people perished? Did he resign? Did he go to the court? How many energy companies appointed him as legal adviser? And what did he do about the ruthless huge plunder by the energy companies in Bangladesh? Etc.? Etc.? What credibility has he got when he talks about law and order, and of corruption? Who decides whether a person is shushil or kushil??

 

Dr Kamal Hossain is a political personality. So, the public has every right to question his activities and the credibility of what he says. Mahfuz Anam is also a media personality and a covert politician. So, the public has a right to examine what he says and what he does. It is not that they don't live in glass houses. They do. And when they throw stones at others, they should expect one or two stones to be hurled back at their own glass houses.

 

(End) 




To: bd_journalists@yahoogroups.com
From: abidbahar@Yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:10:44 -0700
Subject: [bd_journalists] Fw: [notun_bangladesh] Amar Desh served with legal notice by Prothom Alo and Daily Star

 
Asked to apologise for malicious report

A legal notice has been sent to the editor, publisher and a reporter of the daily Amar Desh for publishing a false, malicious and defamatory report about The Daily Star, Prothom Alo and Transcom Group.

The notice asked Amar Desh editor Ataus Samad, publisher Hasmot Ali and the correspondent concerned to immediately withdraw the false, malicious and defamatory report published in the daily (Amar Desh), to beg unconditional public apology and to publish the full rejoinder earlier sent to them.

Dr Kamal Hossain and Associates, on September 7 last, served the notice on behalf of Prothom Alo editor Matiur Rahman, The Daily Star editor-publisher Mahfuz Anam and Chairman and Managing Director of Transcom Group Latifur Rahman

The notice states that appropriate legal action will be taken against the respondents (editor, publisher and reporter of Amar Desh), if they don't act as per demands mentioned in the notice.

According to the statement of the legal notice, following the publication of a false, malicious and defamatory piece by Amar Desh on 3rd September 2008 on the front page, their clients had sent a rejoinder on the same date demanding the withdrawal of the report, unconditional public apology and printing the full rejoinder.

On 5th September Amar Desh published an abridged version of the said rejoinder and instead of either withdrawing the piece or apologising for it, it added a "correspondent' s reply" which stated that "no false or distorted information was given deliberately" . The correspondent' s reply also added more unsubstantiated allegations against Latifur Rahman. In both instances, of the Amar Desh report on 3rd. September and in the correspondent' s reply of 5th September no attempt was made to seek or "obtain any communication from our clients regarding any of the allegations made therein".

The legal notice concluded by stating that the three aforementioned demands be met "within the next three days" and further stating that "In default we are instructed to take appropriate legal action for the full cost and consequences of which you shall stand liable".
Source:
 
 
Amardesh Report:
 
 
Rejoinder by Prothom Alo and Daily Star and Reply by Amardesh reporter:
 
 
Also see:
 


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Subject: [notun_bangladesh] Amar Desh served with legal notice by Prothom Alo and Daily Star

 
Asked to apologise for malicious report

A legal notice has been sent to the editor, publisher and a reporter of the daily Amar Desh for publishing a false, malicious and defamatory report about The Daily Star, Prothom Alo and Transcom Group.

The notice asked Amar Desh editor Ataus Samad, publisher Hasmot Ali and the correspondent concerned to immediately withdraw the false, malicious and defamatory report published in the daily (Amar Desh), to beg unconditional public apology and to publish the full rejoinder earlier sent to them.

Dr Kamal Hossain and Associates, on September 7 last, served the notice on behalf of Prothom Alo editor Matiur Rahman, The Daily Star editor-publisher Mahfuz Anam and Chairman and Managing Director of Transcom Group Latifur Rahman

The notice states that appropriate legal action will be taken against the respondents (editor, publisher and reporter of Amar Desh), if they don't act as per demands mentioned in the notice.

According to the statement of the legal notice, following the publication of a false, malicious and defamatory piece by Amar Desh on 3rd September 2008 on the front page, their clients had sent a rejoinder on the same date demanding the withdrawal of the report, unconditional public apology and printing the full rejoinder.

On 5th September Amar Desh published an abridged version of the said rejoinder and instead of either withdrawing the piece or apologising for it, it added a "correspondent' s reply" which stated that "no false or distorted information was given deliberately" . The correspondent' s reply also added more unsubstantiated allegations against Latifur Rahman. In both instances, of the Amar Desh report on 3rd. September and in the correspondent' s reply of 5th September no attempt was made to seek or "obtain any communication from our clients regarding any of the allegations made therein".

The legal notice concluded by stating that the three aforementioned demands be met "within the next three days" and further stating that "In default we are instructed to take appropriate legal action for the full cost and consequences of which you shall stand liable".
Source:
 
 
Amardesh Report:
 
 
Rejoinder by Prothom Alo and Daily Star and Reply by Amardesh reporter:
 
 
Also see:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 





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[ALOCHONA] Fw: Prothom Alo - Daily Star group



--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
From: Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Prothom Alo - Daily Star group
To: bd_mailer@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 4:01 PM

 
Abid Bahar is absolutely right in identifying The Daily Star - Prothom Alo group as the lackeys of Indian hegemonism. For a long time now, they have been in the forefront of propaganda as the mouth pieces for the evil US-Israel-India axis. Whatever political slogans they raise to delude the people, as Abid Bahar says, and however hard they try to hide their faces behind the masks, soon they will have no place to hide. They will be identified as national-traitors. It is also now a matter of time that all their lackey-ilk will be identified as such by the people. Time will mete them out an ignominious future.



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What is Behind the Prothom Alo, is it complete Darkness?

Abid Bahar

It is unbelievable that Bangladeshis were not aware of the power of Lotifur and the Susil alliance in Bangladesh politics until a foreign media and Amer Desh featured information and now Amer Desh provided new information about Mr. Lotifur. From the report it seems like these are Mafia groups fooling the average people of Bangladesh and making money with two glittering news medias.
We see them use the excuse of being "progressive" , and "secular" etc. As an editor but Motiur's own confessions of bringing the pro-Indian army to power and the anti corruption now headed by the pro-Indian army, Motiur' s secret meetings with Indian intelligence groups shows the signs of his deep RAW connection.

Amer Desh and the other patriotic news media for the sake our nation should allow its investigative journalists to dig through more information about this very interesting group that is involved in the seemingly anti-state activities. The group should know that the pro-Pakistani Daily Azadi didn't survive for its betrayal to the national cause. Prothom Alo and the Daily Star aparently not serving the nation might have the same fate. The countryman has the "right to know," in the name of secularism, in the name of daily Star's slogan "right to know" if these groups are actually serving the nation or fooling people to serve their foreign masters. So  people now question, what is behind the Prothom ALo and Lotifur? Is it complete darkness? Bangladesh are now having Cold War with India.  If the Susils are caught in collaboration, which appears very likely, like the Pakistani razakars they should also be branded and condemed as the new "Indian razakars"
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Re: [mukto-mona] Atrocites on Hindu Minorities continue

WRT: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/49789

Unfortunately, atrocities on Hindus will go on because, Hindus are weak and defenseless in Bangladesh. Government is complacent, and thugs run local government machineries. The so called law and order administration is powerless. As a result, most of the time, they look the other way. In several instances, they have declined to register their cases. Under these circumstances, where these Hindus will go? They have nowhere to go but leave their ancestral homeland to take refuse in a foreign country, which many would like to term as a flight to prosperity. The truth is, the former BNP-Jamat government has destroyed the secular fabric of the society, and successfully replaced with communalism. The present government has no time to address these issues. So atrocities on Hindus go on unabated......
 
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[ALOCHONA] Was Bangabandu like Castro of Cuba?

Well then, lets import Gen. Musharraf.
During last 5 years of his rule, he built 170 Bridges, By Passes, US-like highway Intersections, a 400 Miles long High way connected Gwadur with Karachi, Power Plants and some other stuff but you see, Pakistanis are just the opposite. They kicked him out just because they hate Urdu Speaking people and whoever does good for their country instead of stealing tons of money. Asif Zardari and Benazir stole so much that now Zardari's worth is $ 3 billion so, they replaced him with Musharraf.
 
MQM, the Political Party of Urdu Speaking that has a monopoly in Urban Sindh for last 20 years built 17 American style By Passes and Highway Intersections just in Karachi in last 5 years instead of looting therefore, Punjabis are floating a Petition on Internet to get it banned as a Terrorist Group since they could not convince the Western Countries for the same in last 15 years.
I know of no Ethnic People in the world as corrupt and Racist as Punjabis.    

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, ezajur <ezajur.rahman@q8.com> wrote:
Dear Alochok Turkman

I did have an idea that Russia was pro Bangladesh but I had no
knowledge of most of the facts that you have stated here. Thanks for
the update.

On a lighter note the Russians would have been able to control
Bangaldesh more easily than other countries... we just love to vote
for anyone who builds a few roads and a half baked clinic just before
election time :)

Regards

Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait

--- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, S Turkman <turkman@... > wrote:
>
> Sir,
> I think, you don't know, USSR was backing Sh. Mujib. Soviet
Engineers were rebuilding and expanding Sylhet Airport and a part of
Soviet Naval Fleet was docked in Chittagong Harbor. Soviet
Infrastructure Builders were exploring Bangladesh to chart-out, what
other projects had to be started.
>  
> Soviets could have invaded Bangladesh but couldn't because the Sh.
Mujib had not declared the country Communist yet and she was not yet
a member of Communist International. USSR was relectant to invest in
Moslim Countries by then because all such countries had kicked it out
after getting their Infrastructure built and receiving tons of
Military Aid. Iraq and Egypt were the biggest example of that.
>  
> Soviet, Cuban an East German Troops were in 19 African Countries
from Equatorial Africa to Libya at that time but they had come to
conclusion that they should not have intervened until there was a
grass-root Communist Movement in those countries. Therefore, they had
already pulling-out their troops from Africa and cutting-down their
waste.  
>
> --- On Tue, 9/9/08, ezajur <ezajur.rahman@ ...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Alochok Turkman
>
> Good points! Though of course you know I am referring to Castro's
> more negative traits - secret police, supreme authority, no
political
> parties, no press freedom etc etc. As you know these were the
> emerging traits of Sheikh Mujib and hence the comparison.
>
> Many of the successes of Castro's Cuba would not have been possible
> without the Russia's deep vested interest in its stability.
> Bangladesh had no such well wisher. Not even India. And these
> successes also depended on Castro's continued leadership and
> administrative skills. Some 30-40% of Mujib's followers deserted
him
> following his administrative failures.
>
> He is like Castro when we compare their negatives.
>
> Mujib's departure was the second biggest tragedy of Desh.
>
> Mujib's departure from the principles that led to the War of
> Independence was the biggest tragedy of Desh. It set the stage and
> the tone for all the abysmal failures that have followed since.
>
> Sigh!
>
> Regards
>
> Ezajur Rahman
> Kuwait
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, S Turkman <turkman@ > wrote:
> >
> > Yeah but Bangladesh would then have highest Literacy Rate in the
> world like Cuba and would not have been one of the poorest country
on
> earth either.
> >  
> > Cuba is 6 times richer than Bangladesh, Education and Medical is
> free, Un-employment Rate is near Zero, Housing is free, nobody is
> poor in Cuba and has more Ph.Ds, Physicians, Surgeons and Engineers
> per Capita than any other country on earth. Actually, Cuba lends
her
> Physicians and Engineers to friendly countries for free. Do we have
> any Physicians and Engineers to lend?
> >  
> > If he was like Castro, his departure was the biggest tragedy
> Bangladesh had faced and his Assassins were the biggest Enemies of
> Bangla.
> >
> > --- On Sun, 8/31/08, ezajur <ezajur.rahman@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Had Mujib lived he would have continued as a dictator - not like
> > Mussolini (come on!) but as a Fidel Castro (bad enough!)
> >
> > Though after seeing all the pompous AL middlemen strutting around
> in
> > their black waistcoats on National Mourning Day, as if all their
> > years of lies and thievery were vindicated, made me feel that we
> > should call them - the Black Coats, quite a Fascist term!
> >
> > Pity our poor country. Even our heros are killers or thieves.
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, mahathir of bd
> > <wouldbemahathirofb d@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Reading mujib's lectures and seeing his failure na d fate, it
> > seems to me that Mujib was a boss, not a leader.
> > >  
> > >  Becuase leaders never loss there popularity to such a low
level
> > that Mujib lost.
> > >
> > > http://www.microsco piceye.blogspot. com/
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, abid bahar <abidbahar@ ..> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bangabandu, Vs. Mousalini of Italy, Striking Similarities:
> Please
> > Read!
> > > Abid Bahar
> > >  
> > > Bangabandu's Fourth Amendment is only the tip of the form of
> > his "dictatorship. "(1) There are more details, the use of Mujib
> > dress, Mujib Bahini, Lal bahini, Rakhi bahini and other
> paramilitary
> > forces, the extreme hero-worship tendency among his followers,
> > indiscriminate killing of the opponents, arresting even the
elderly
> > statesman like Bhasani, favouratism to its party members,  and so
> > many other similarities  with Mousalini, the Italian leader and
> > with Spain's Francisco that when I found out,  I personally  was
> > shocked (I was a former Mujib -lover)and have been writing
> eversince
> > about the sickness. 
> > >  
> > >  I asked myself, howcome there are so many similarities in a
> > country far away from Europe. The answer I found is in political
> > Science such a political trend is identified
> > as Fascism. Mousalini even did similar things like Bangabandu
> did,
> > the latter standing in the parliament, declared that he
> > couldn't use "Lal Ghora,"which he actually did but he wanted it
> to
> > be more severe on the opponents. 
> > >  
> > > There are also many similarities between Bangabandu's BAKSAL
and
> > other Third World Fascists as Sadam's socialist bath party, the
> > Sheikh boys (Mujib's Chalara) carrying guns at the university,
and
> > now Africa's Mugabe a former freedom fighter, Idi Amin, another
> > freedom fighter turning into a Fascist, it is unthinkable. Unlike
> > them, after the 7th March Speech, Bangabandu actually
collaborated
> > with the Pak Army send Rao Farman Ali to Islamabad to save
> Pakistan
> > and later was fooled and surrendered and stayed the entire period
> in
> > Pakistan. He never talked about why did he surrender.  If
> > Bangabandu's AL didn't have the theoritical backing/blessings
from
> > our intellectual West Bengali and the Delhi based Dadas that AL
is
> > a "progressive force", civil  society, fighting against Nizami,
> and
> > that Bangabandu the father etc, etc.propaganda  via the pro-
Indian
> > Bangladeshi powerful medias as Daily Star and Prothom Alo etc,
> > he would be officially discredited as
> > > one of the fighters for democracy who betrayed the nation
> to turn
> > himself into a dictator and was killed similarly as Mousolini. In
> > Europe the above type of people are classified as the Fascist
> > leaders. They are discredited in the textbook for committing
> > excesses.
> > >  
> > > It is true, mentioned in the Abul Mansur Ahamed's Amer Dhaka
> > Rajnitir Ponchas Botscher and in Azizul Karim's work "From Awami
> > League to BAKSAL" that Bangaban du "did not have a clear idea
> about
> > the difference between party and the state. This became clear
even
> in
> > 1956-57 when he deferred with the then Chief Minister Mr. Ataur
> > Rahman Khan. Mr. Khan wanted to keep the administration totally
> > neutral. He knew that if the administration were brought under
the
> > party control then it would be difficult to run the
administration
> > efficiently. But Sheikh Mujib refuted his contention and
said, "The
> > administration has to accept party domination. Not only that
> > administration will just help and assist the party to execute its
> > policies, but the administration will also be helping in
increasing
> > its influence among the people". Mr. Ataur Rahman Khan had to
> > surrender to Sheikh Mujib as he was then considered very powerful
> in
> > the party. Thus during this time Sheikh Mujibur
> > > Rahman as the Minister of Commerce and Industries indulged in
> > rampant corruption, nepotism and misuse of power. He used his
power
> > in giving out permits, licenses, bank loans, and sanction to
> > establish industries to people who were loyal to him and his
> > cronies."(2) These were the early signs of the then Mujib's
Fascist
> > tendencies.
> > >
> > > For the sake of knowledge, Social Scientists have to identify
> this
> > trend and locate the father of this trend in Bangladesh. It was
> this
> > type of extremism in Italy that led to Mousalini's death, and the
> end
> > of Francisco. Like Musolini, to unite people in the independent
> > Bangladesh Bangaband u also used extreme nationalism causing the
> > alienation of the tribals.
> > >  
> > > Hasina carries the legacy of Bangabandu. Hasina's AL with its
> > Shaschasevok bahini and its alliance of parties (which is
> > practically the BAKSAL) continues the trend of anarchy.
> > >  
> > > Like Bangabandu, Hasina also gives more importance to the party
> > interest to gain power than give importance to national
> > interest. Hasina' s year round hartal to tire the nation, caused
> the
> > cancellation of 1996 election that led to the first coming of the
> > care-taker government and again in 2007 the chaos led to 1/11 
and
> > the army backed caretaker government and the uncertainity in the
> > nation's life.
> > >  
> > > (1) Please check the following videos to see that until this
> trend
> > is not discredited, Bangladesh will have no future!
> > >  It is infactious, nowadays everybody is doing it.
> > >  
> > > (2) I want the readers to please check the historic
similarities
> > between Bangabandu Mujib and Mosoluni.  We live in an independent
> > country, the Fascist chaos of madness against order must be
> stopped.
> > Bangabandu should be given credit for what he deserve but his
> fascist
> > tendency should be identified and discouraged as being regressive
> to
> > Bangladesh's future development. 
> > >  
> > > Videos on party initiated violence in Bangladesh:
>

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[ALOCHONA] Pakistan Army (Pvt) Ltd. - Businessmen at their ...

Not really.
It had proven that Greed of Money and Hunger for abosolute Power of Islamabad was above and beyond Islam and Patriotism to country, when it had revolted against 56% of Pakistani citizens, founders of the Political Party that had formed the country and had ended slavery of Hindu and Sikh Landlords for Punjab's masses, to which 85% of the Pak Army Generals themsevles belonged to.
They had acted like living gods of Pakistan and never quitted doing that even after.  

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Jimmy Jumshade <jimmybug@rocketmail.com> wrote:

Sooooooo what if they surrendered??!! They did the right thing for no army in the world would have won in similar situation. No army in the world. Facing 70 Million hatred filled rabid Bengalees....rabid West Pakistani killing Awami-League MOBS....fully armed para-military Forces, Bengalee Police, Fully armed & trained over 50,000 former members of the Pakistan Army, East Pakistan Rifles & the Bengal Regiments gone traitor,Who killed fellow Officers while they slept, along with full might of the Indian Armed Forces.

The "East Pakistan tragedy" proved nothing except that organized propaganda really works & that "Bengalee nationalism is above & beyond Religion & Country.................



--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Engr. Shafiq Bhuiyan <srbanunz@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Turkman,



Through the illogical, nonsense reply with incorrect information and facts,
Sajjad has again strongly proved that he is a notorious liar as well as an
illiterate!



There are hundreds of references on "unconditional surrender" of
about
93,000 numbers of Pakistani on 16th December 1971 on the soil of Bangladesh,
on the different news paper, books, web;

It was the first open surrender of a regular army and the second largest
after World War II.



Brave freedom Fihgter Air Vice Marshals A.K. Khondoker, deputy chief of the
Bangladesh liberation forces during the 1971 war (he was then made Air Chief
of Bangladesh), represented the Mukhti Bahini at the surrender ceremony at
the Race Course (now Suhrawardi Uddyan) on the 16th Decemebr 1971, as Coln
Osamni, Chief of the Bangladesh liberation forces during the 1971, was not
readily avalble and helicopter carrying him was shot & ambushed by Paki
Army



The total number of uniformed personnel were about 80,000 (consist of Army
&
paramilitary, police) and about 12,000 were civilian. About 800 PAF and 1000
Pakistani Navy personnel also surrenderd. (Ref: The The Hamood-ur-Rahman
Commission Report [1971] instituted by Pakistan Govt)





<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PakistanPoW.jpg>


Even a Pakistani stamp was made by its Govt depicting the 90,000 POWs in
Indian camps. This stamp was issued with the political aim of raising global
awareness of the POW issue to help secure their release.
(PDF file is Attached)



Pakistan based author Tariq Ali writes, *"**Pakistan** lost half its navy,
a
quarter of its airforce and a third of its army."*



Still this Paki, we call them NaPaki (polluted, contaminated) liar denies
and insists 65,000 number Paki troops (toatal) were in Bangladesh (the
then East
Pakistan), then how 90000 POW were ther?.



What a open lie!

Now if this liar denies, then what can we do?



So, any logical and rational person should not waste their time and merit by
responding such garbage of a proven & traditional liar!


So, leave that proven & traditional liar. Unfortunately most of the NaPaki
are same; and concentrate on other truth and facts!


Joy Bangla





(Your paki troops and supporters used to afraid this slogan more than any
thing during 1971 war!)

Shafiqur Rahman Bhuiyan (ANU)
NEW ZEALAND.

Phone: 00-64-9-828 2435 (Res), 00-64-0274 500 277 (mobile)
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On 9/10/08, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Mr. Bhuiyan, This is 2nd time this has been posted that there were
> 65,000 Pak Troops in East Pakistan. Please try to understand ...!
>
> Its also possible that less than 65,000 Troops were arrested but 93,000
> were released a few years later because they had given birth to more than
> 28,000, while they were in Indian Jail.
> Posted by: "Engr. Shafiq Bhuiyan" srbanunz@gmail.com
>
<http://us.mc815.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=srbanunz@gmail.com&Subject=+Re%3A%20%5BALOCHONA%5D%20Re%3A%20Pakistan%20Army%20%28Pvt%29%20Ltd%2E%20-%20Businessmen%20at%20their%20B>
Tue
> Sep 9, 2008 4:23 am (PDT) Mr. Sajjad, either you are a notorious liar or
> complete illiterate!
>
> You wrote,
>
> *"In 1971, **Pakistan** had only less than 65,000 troops in **East
> Pakistan*
> *".*
>
> This is a broad day lie.
>
> In 16th December, 1971 around 93,000 Paki troops had surrendered to
> Bangladesh - India joint command unconditionally and cowardly!
>
> (Still this is a world record)
>
> If there were only 65,000 troops then how 93,000 Paki troops surrendered?
>
> Do you know how many thousand Paki troops (starting from Colonel to
> ordinary
> SEPAI) were killed by our brave MUKTI BAHINI?
>
> Yes, I agree Paki troops are expert in killing unarmed - innocent
civilian,
> like they killed innocent & unarmed Bangalee in Bangladesh, Balooch in
> Baluchistan, Pathan in NWFP!
>
> They are 'rat' against any regular army, even to Bangalee MUKTI
BAHINI (90%
> of them were young man having only 4 to 8 weeks light and nominal
training)
> no previous military training or experience
>
> In other place you wrote,
>
> *"Where small Pakistani army was already engaged with limited
> amunation. Without
> Air and Naval support and without amunation supply line"*
>
> Why?
>
> Bangladesh was mostly populated part (54% of total) of the then total
> Pakistan and most of the foreign exchanged were earned from the product of
> Bangladesh (Jute etc) and most of the meritorious and intelligent people
of
> Pakistan were from Bangladesh part and we were superior to you in all good
> aspect!
>
> Then why there was "small army"?
>
> Then why there was no "Air and Naval support"?
>
> Then why there was no proper "ammunition supply"?
>
> Because most of the Paki people, ruler, and military are:
>
> - Liar
> - Killer
> - Rapist
> - Cheat
> - Immoral
> - Exploiter
> - Conspirator
>
> That is why we defeated you!
>
> We broke your Pakistan into pieces!
>
> We are now much better off than you and we are going forward (may be at
> less
> pace), but not going backward like you!
>
> So, leave us and do not intermingle with Bangladesh and Bangalee
>
> and
>
> Oil your own old and ruined machine
>
> Joy Bangla
>
> (Your paki troops and supporters used to afraid this slogan more than any
> thing during 1971 war!)
>
> Shafiqur Rahman Bhuiyan (ANU)
> NEW ZEALAND.
>
> Phone: 00-64-9-828 2435 (Res), 00-64-0274 500 277 (mobile)
> E-mail: srbanunz@gmail.
com<http://us.mc815.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=srbanunz%40gmail.com>
>
> N.B.: If any one is offended by content of this e-mail, please ignore
&
> delete this e-mail. I also request you to inform me by an e- mail - to
> delete your name from my contact list.
>
> On 9/9/08, Saj <SAJJAD_PAK@hotmail.
com<http://us.mc815.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SAJJAD_PAK%40hotmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Mr. Musa
> >
> > Be honest and read your post and then tell us who is taking drugs?
> >
> > Well, I can still go on with you. But you promise with me that you
will
> not
> > runaway this time too. As you once did in the past.
> >
> > In 1971, Pakistan had only less than 65,000 troops in East Pakistan.
This
> > small army need to fight on multiple ends at the same time. It had
> maintain
> > peace and law & order at any cost within the country. Then it had
to take
> > down the armed personal, prepared by India and thirdly and most
> importantly
> > it had to handle the regular army of India. For your bad information,
Mr.
> > Musa, Guerilla war is totally different than the regular war. Only a
> regular
> > armies capture enemies' territories. Guerilla warriors only hit
and run.
> > Pakistan army did not lost in front of so called guerillas, anyway.
It
> was
> > full fledge Indian invasion of East Pakistan, where they crossed the
> > international borders, entered in Pakistan's territories and made
their
> > advancements towards the capital. Where small Pakistani army was
already
> > engaged with limited amunation. Without Air and Naval support and
without
> > amunation supply line, it is always impossible to carry on war at
> multiple
> > ends, at the same time. Technically, it could be the mis-management
of
> > Pakistan of its military presence in East Pakistan. But it could
never be
> > claimed as military victory either by India or Bangladesh.
> >
> > As far as Kargil is concern, It could only be a fool's view
point, that
> > Pakistan Army lost in Kargil. Forget all other things and tell us
that
> when
> > Kargil war started, how many war tax Pakistan had imposed on
Pakistani
> > nation and how much war tax imposed by Indian government on indians?
IF
> YOU
> > BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE SO RIGHT, THAN DO NOT TRY TO RUN AWAY FROM THIS
> SINGLE
> > QUESTION.
> >
> > Go and read newspapers of the days of Kargil war and list the number
of
> > casualities on both sides and let us know. Additionally, and again
for
> your
> > bad information, Mr. Musa, India lost many fighter jets in Kargil,
while
> > Pakistan Air Force was totally out of this war, not a single flight
by
> > Pakistan Air Force. What you say on this.
> >
> > It will always remain funny to you. Whenever will show you the truth
you
> > will always say this. Don't worry.
> >
> > It is not necessary that Pakistanis and Russians engage in actual and
> face
> > to face war to determine which military is superior. I think you are
> taking
> > the example of China-India war in mind, where Chinese military beated
> like a
> > dog to the Indians. Am I right? In Afghanistan, Pakistan was fighting
the
> > war of its own survival. The leadership of that time clearly looking
USSR
> as
> > taking over Pakistan too. If they had allowed to consolidate thier
> military
> > presence in Afghanista. So Pakistan decided not to allow them to
> consolidate
> > in Afghanistan. The whole Guerilla war was planned and carried on by
> > Pakistani Intelligence Agencies and mainly under the command of
General
> > Akhtar Abdur Rahman. Search his name in the google and find out by
> yourself.
> > This is not necessary that I waste my time to educate the hate monger
> like
> > you.
> >
> > And your great last para. Need proof? OK. here it is. Read the
following
> > links and tell us that are these not solid enough for you to believe?
Or
> I
> > need to send Pakistan's Army Chief at your homes with all CDs of
> Pakistani
> > movies to show you that Pakistan, unlike Indians, had never ever felt
a
> need
> > to make movies like them to get more recruites.


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