Thank you very much for calling us (people from my background) HATE MONGERS. Yes, we hate those who murder and rape in the name of religion.
Branch Number of captured Pakistani POWs
Army 54,154
| Navy 1,381 Air Force 833 Paramilitary including police 22,000 Civilian personnel 12,000 Total: 90,368 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971
You can dispute these figures with your Pakistani source. Don't worry, we will believe you. I am just kidding.
The above clearly shows that 22,000 were paramilitaries including police. Paramilitaries are oftentimes more brutal than regular army in Indian subcontinent when it comes to cracking down on civilians and they are always armed. But you said the majority of the rest (other than Army members) were civilians which is totally false. How about the dead army members? Don't they count them in Pakistan? What is the number according to your honest and reliable Pakistani source? The number was not zero, right? After all this time I would not be surprised at all if you really think so.
The bottom line is you fought with all your might and with the support of USA and China, and you still ended up losing in the most humiliating way in a very short period of time. SORE LOSER.
Even If I believe from your Pakistani source that our Bangladesh born Saiful Azam shot down three Israeli planes, that makes it four in total by two pilots. But you said, "Pakistan 's pilots fought against Israelis and took many (4?) of their planes down." How many Arab planes they shot down in 1967 Six Day war? I can tell you, that number is called many. As a Muslim, I must face the truth even it is ugly.
Six Day War
June 5, 1967 – the Six Day War: The destruction of the entire Egyptian air-force within three hours. By the end of the day the Syrian and Jordanian air forces were wiped out as well. The IAF shoot-down total at the end of the war was a claimed record of 451 enemy aircraft downed versus nineteen of its own. See:
War of Attrition
March, 1969 until August, 1970 – the War of Attrition: 111 enemy warplanes were shot-down in dogfights by IAF pilots while only four IAF warplanes were shot down in dogfights by enemy pilots (according to Israeli sources). Also, during the Cold War the Soviet Union held close relationships with the Arab nations. On July 30, 1970 the tension peaked: An IAF ambush resulted in a large scale air brawl between IAF planes and MiGs flown by Soviet pilots — five MiGs were shot down, while the IAF suffered no losses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Air_Force
Another ugly fact: If the Israeli army were as bad as Paki army, every Palestinian family would have had at least one child fathered by Israeli army by now considering their decades' long occupation. The Israeli army may be bad, but not animal yet.
Have a lie free ramadhan even though it's not possible in Pakistan.
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Saj" <SAJJAD_PAK@...> wrote:
>
> Do not make the figures by yourself. Indian sources claim 55,692 army men and some 800 airforce men. while Hamood ur Rahman Commision Report said 54,154 army men were POW. The mojority of the rest were civilians, however some of them were from from Police. Or if you have your own Bangali or Indian/American source, put it up here.
>
> Where did you copied this figures, by the way? Will you dare to write down the source for us too? 118000,93000,333,,,,000.... A hell not.
>
> You wrote in your previous posting, "Pakistan's pilots fought against Israelis and took many of their planes down." But your very questionable source (your Wikipedia source used this: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2848/foes/pakistan.htm) only shows one Paki pilot shot down one Israeli plane. The question is in Pakistan how many makes many?
>
> What I wrote was true and what YOU are writing is baseless and bashing. Perhaps, you would not like to raise this question again after you read my posts to Mr. Mohiuddin & Mr. Shafiq yesterday. For your bad mind, I am copying here once again.
>
>
> Flt Lt Saiful Azam also from Bangladesh, on number 7
> http://www.paf.gov.pk:80/Airwarriors.htm
>
> Flight Lieutenant Saiful Azam has the unique distinction of having kills against air forces of two different countries. As a young Flying Officer during the 65 War, Saiful Azam scored a kill against an Indian Air Force Gnat, in recognition of which he was awarded Sitara-i-Jurat. Two years later Saiful Azam became the first Pakistani pilot to score against the Israeli Air Force in the 1967 Arab-Israel war. He shot down a Vatour Bomber, a super Mystere, and a Mirage IIIC, all in only two missions thus raising his tally to four kills. To-date he remains the highest shooter of Israeli aircraft.
> He has been highly decorated with gallantry awards by both Jordan and Iraq for his extraordinary display of skill and courage. He retired as a Group Captain from Bangladesh Air Force. In 2001, he was honoured by the United States Air Force (USAF) and enjoys the status of being one of the twenty two 'Living Eagles' of the world.
>
> All of the contents are just baseless as your second paragraph. As I said it before and I am saying this again. I can assist you in your way to home, but I can not hold your legs in all the way to home. For this purpose, you have to have a habbit of self learning.
>
> I have two words for people from your background: Hate Mongers.
> May Allah save all of us from lies and hypocrisies this blessed month of Ramadhan once again.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: musasarkar
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:35 AM
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Pakistan Army (Pvt) Ltd. - Businessmen at their Best
>
>
>
> Who needs to be honest here? You are the only one I see.
>
> When Paki army, the WORLD's mightiest army in the history of humankind, surrendered in 1971 after less than two weeks of fighting against Indian army, approx. 91,000 of them were taken as POW. Among them, 80,000 were uniformed officers. Approx. 33,000 Paki soldiers died in the war. So the approx. total number of Paki soldiers was 113,000 in East Pakistan during the war. How did you come up with 65,000? Another Pakistani source?
>
> You wrote in your previous posting, "Pakistan's pilots fought against Israelis and took many of their planes down." But your very questionable source (your Wikipedia source used this: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2848/foes/pakistan.htm) only shows one Paki pilot shot down one Israeli plane. The question is in Pakistan how many makes many?
>
> It is very silly the way you are coming up excuses for Pakistan's colossal loss in Kargil war which Pakistan disgracefully started. You said Paki air force was totally out of the war. Who told them to be? Or may be they were too scared of Indian army/air force. They just chickened out. Do you think we trust your Pakistani references? They were created by people like you based on imaginary combat scenarios. No matter what, you lost all your wars and with your current attitude, you will never win any.
>
> I have two words for people from your background: LOSER FOREVER.
>
> May Allah save all of us from lies and hypocrisies this blessed month of Ramadhan once again.
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Saj" SAJJAD_PAK@ wrote:
> >
> > Mr. Musa
> >
> > Be honest and read your post and then tell us who is taking drugs?
> >
> > Well, I can still go on with you. But you promise with me that you will not runaway this time too. As you once did in the past.
> >
> > In 1971, Pakistan had only less than 65,000 troops in East Pakistan. This small army need to fight on multiple ends at the same time. It had maintain peace and law & order at any cost within the country. Then it had to take down the armed personal, prepared by India and thirdly and most importantly it had to handle the regular army of India. For your bad information, Mr. Musa, Guerilla war is totally different than the regular war. Only a regular armies capture enemies' territories. Guerilla warriors only hit and run. Pakistan army did not lost in front of so called guerillas, anyway. It was full fledge Indian invasion of East Pakistan, where they crossed the international borders, entered in Pakistan's territories and made their advancements towards the capital. Where small Pakistani army was already engaged with limited amunation. Without Air and Naval support and without amunation supply line, it is always impossible to carry on war at multiple ends, at the same time. Technically, it could be the mis-management of Pakistan of its military presence in East Pakistan. But it could never be claimed as military victory either by India or Bangladesh.
> >
> > As far as Kargil is concern, It could only be a fool's view point, that Pakistan Army lost in Kargil. Forget all other things and tell us that when Kargil war started, how many war tax Pakistan had imposed on Pakistani nation and how much war tax imposed by Indian government on indians? IF YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE SO RIGHT, THAN DO NOT TRY TO RUN AWAY FROM THIS SINGLE QUESTION.
> >
> > Go and read newspapers of the days of Kargil war and list the number of casualities on both sides and let us know. Additionally, and again for your bad information, Mr. Musa, India lost many fighter jets in Kargil, while Pakistan Air Force was totally out of this war, not a single flight by Pakistan Air Force. What you say on this.
> >
> > It will always remain funny to you. Whenever will show you the truth you will always say this. Don't worry.
> >
> > It is not necessary that Pakistanis and Russians engage in actual and face to face war to determine which military is superior. I think you are taking the example of China-India war in mind, where Chinese military beated like a dog to the Indians. Am I right? In Afghanistan, Pakistan was fighting the war of its own survival. The leadership of that time clearly looking USSR as taking over Pakistan too. If they had allowed to consolidate thier military presence in Afghanista. So Pakistan decided not to allow them to consolidate in Afghanistan. The whole Guerilla war was planned and carried on by Pakistani Intelligence Agencies and mainly under the command of General Akhtar Abdur Rahman. Search his name in the google and find out by yourself. This is not necessary that I waste my time to educate the hate monger like you.
> >
> > And your great last para. Need proof? OK. here it is. Read the following links and tell us that are these not solid enough for you to believe? Or I need to send Pakistan's Army Chief at your homes with all CDs of Pakistani movies to show you that Pakistan, unlike Indians, had never ever felt a need to make movies like them to get more recruites.
> >
> > Yom Kippur War
> > Main article: Yom Kippur War
> > During the war 16 PAF pilots volunteered to go to the Middle East in order to support Egypt and Syria but by the time they arrived, Egypt had already been pushed into a ceasefire. Syria remained in a state of war against Israel. Eight (8) PAF pilots started flying out of Syrian Airbases; they formed the A-flight of 67 Squadron at Dumayr Airbase. The Pakistani pilots flew Syrian Mig-21 aircraft conducting CAP missions for the Syrians. Flt. Lt. A. Sattar Alvi became the first Pakistani pilot, during the Yom Kippur War, to shoot down an Israeli Mirage in air combat[7][8]. He was honored by the Syrian government[9]. Other aerial encounters involved Israeli F4 Phantoms; Pakistan Air Force did not lose a single pilot or aircraft during this war. The Pakistani pilots stayed on in Syria until 1976, training Syrian pilots in the art of air warfare
> >
> >
> > Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Air_Force#PAF_Awards_for_valor
> >
> > And oh, you asked about direct military combat between Pakistan's and Russians forces. See the following
> >
> >
> > Date Pilot Name & AF Unit Aircraft Flown
> > Base Kills
> > Aircraft/Pilot Comments
> > 17 May 1986 Sqn. Ldr. A. Hameed Qadri
> > No. 9 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
> > (S. No. 82-723)
> > PAF Sargodha 2 Soviet/Afghan Su-22s Shot down both Su-22s in a single sortie 16,000 ft. over Parachinar, Pakistan. 1 AIM-9L Sidewinder Kill, 1 Gun Kill.
> > 30 March 1987 Wng. Cdr. Abdul Razzaq
> > No. 9 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
> > PAF Sargodha 1 Soviet/Afghan An-26 Shot down near Miranshah, Pakistan while on a recce mission.
> > 16 April 1987 Sqn. Ldr. Badar Islam
> > No. 14 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
> > PAF Minhas (Kamra) 1 Soviet/Afghan Su-22 Shot down after strafing Pakistani villages near Tull, Pakistan along with another Su-22 and with a pair of MiG-23MLDs flying top cover. Remaining 3 aircraft bugged out.
> > 8 April 1988 Sqn. Ldr. Athar Bokhari
> > No. 14 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
> > (S. No. 85-725)
> > PAF Minhas (Kamra) 1 Soviet Su-25
> > Col. Ruskoi Alexander Valadimirovich, Soviet Air Force (ejected) 1 PAF F-16 Vs. 4 Soviet Su-25s. Night interception over Parachinar, Pakistan. AIM-9L Sidewinder Kill. Remaining 3 Su-25s bugged out. Soviet Su-25 pilot, Col. Ruskoi Alexander Valadimirovich, (later Vice-President of Russia) was taken prisoner by Pakistani authorities.
> > 12 September 1988 Flt. Lt. Khalid Mahmood
> > No. 14 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
> > (S. No. 85-728) PAF Minhas (Kamra) 2 Soviet MiG-23MLDs 2 PAF F-16s Vs. 6 Soviet MiG-23s. Near Nawagai border area with Pakistan. Both Kills in a single sortie with AIM-9L and AIM-9P Sidewinders.
> > 3 November 1988 Flt. Lt. Khalid Mahmood
> > No. 14 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
> > (S. No. 84-717)
> > PAF Minhas (Kamra) 1 Afghan Air Force Su-22
> > Capt. Hashim, AAF (ejected) 2 PAF F-16s Vs. 6 Soviet/Afghan Su-22s. (3 on ground attack and 3 flying top cover) near Tull, Pakistan. Kill made with 2 AIM-9L Sidewinders. Afghan pilot, Capt. Hashim, was captured after bailing out.
> > 20/21 November 1988 (Rank?) Muhammad Abbas Khattak
> > No. 14 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
> > PAF Minhas (Kamra) 1 Soviet An-26 Shot down while on a recce mission inside Pakistan. PAF pilot later Chief of the Air Staff, PAF, 1994-1997.
> > 31 January 1989 Flt. Lt. Khalid Mahmood
> > No. 14 Squadron, PAF F-16B Fighting Falcon
> > PAF Minhas (Kamra) 1 Soviet An-24 Night interception near Bannu, Pakistan while on a solo 'hot scramble'. An-24 on bombing run crashed while attempting to surrender. Thus credited as 'manoeuvre kill'.
> > Total: 10 Air-to-Air Kills NOTE: This table does not include all the PAF Kill figures for the 1979-1988 Soviet-Afghan War which remain classified with the PAF.
> >
> >
> > You are so much interested to known the SOLID EVIDENCE. Is this evidence is not solid enough for your ill mind to believe on what I am saying?
> > Source: http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/airforce/war/indexafghanwar.html
> >
> > If you need more proof and evidences, then please search it by yourself. Do not waste other's time for your own sake.
> >
> > May Allah save all of us from lies and hypocrisies in this blessed month of Ramzan.
> >
> > Saj
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: musasarkar
> > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:21 PM
> > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Pakistan Army (Pvt) Ltd. - Businessmen at their Best
> >
> >
> >
> > Mr. Saj,
> >
> > You are either seriously funny or serious mental case. Or should I say
> > what kind of drugs you are taking these days? Compare our military with
> > yours? How about losing the war in 1971 in just nine months against a
> > mostly guerilla force? Want to give the credit to Indian army? That
> > will only prove their army is better than yours. You lose either way.
> > The Pak army, the all powerful and strongest army in the world,
> > surrendered to Indian army in two weeks. Still can't forget the pain of
> > losing Kargil war? Can you tell us in how many days Indian army wiped
> > you out? How many of their soldiers were killed and how many Pakis?
> > Remember it was your army who started Kargil war. It's funny when I see
> > a lot of Pakistanis who never concede defeat and who are always in a
> > state of denial. Even when they are losing big time, they think they
> > are actually winning big time.
> >
> > You wrote, "Russia knows what Pakistani Military had done to them in
> > Afghanistan." Tell us when and where the Pak army fought the Russian
> > army in Afghanistan. Or do you think the Afghan Mujahedeen's were
> > actually members of Pak army?
> >
> > You wrote, "Pakistan's pilots fought against Israelis and took many of
> > their planes down. " Can you write down when and where? And how many
> > Israeli planes they took down? Did you watch it in a Pakistani movie?
> > Give us solid evidence. Also write down how many times Indian army
> > staged coups against their elected government and how many times the
> > Paki army did.
> >
> > May Allah save all of us from lies and hypocrisies this blessed month of
> > Ramadhan.
> >
> > Mohammd Musa Sarkar
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Saj" SAJJAD_PAK@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Mr. M.
> > >
> > > If you want to, you can always compare with the military of your own
> > country and tell me if this statement is not correct.
> > >
> > > And which other country, you want to compare with. There are only few
> > countries in the world, whose military had most recent practical war
> > experience. Do Bangladesh has this experience at the moment? Vietnam,
> > Nepal, Saudees etc etc. The only important countries are Pakistan, USA,
> > UK, China, Russia, Israel, India, Iran and there are very few others.
> > Russia knows what Pakistani Military had done to them in Afghanistan.
> > India kept 1 million army at the border for one year and despite its
> > wish to attack on Pakistan, it was simply unable to do that. In Kargil,
> > Pakistan Army, alone, fought war with its pocket money. While India
> > imposed war tax on the whole nation and kept recieving this tax for
> > years after end of Kargil war. Morover, USA, UK etc can't survive for a
> > single day, without military support from Pakistan's military
> > insitutions. China and Pakistan held joint exercises and found good
> > performances from both sides. Pakistan is the world's only Muslim
> > country with nuclear bombs, nuclear missles and has the capabilities to
> > target any part of Israeli military. Pakistan's pilots fought against
> > Israelis and took many of their planes down. Whatelse would be the
> > paramatre for you. Will you please write it down and we can work on
> > that????? Which country you want to compare Pakistan's military. write
> > it down.
> > >
> > > It is not only you. But there is not deficiency of the people like you
> > in the world. Whose source of information is west or Indian based and
> > keep doing analysis paralysis according to the information provided by
> > them. Your believe is not worth quarter a cent. Only the time will tell
> > you what will be the reaction.
> > >
> > > Indian army wants to serve the nation??? part of the nation lives in
> > Kashmir. where more than half of the bloody indian army is serving the
> > naiton day and night by killing the innocent, raping the women, blocking
> > the roads. Facilitatings hindu badmaash and grabing muslim lands.
> > another part of Indian nation is waiting to be served by Indian army in
> > Gujrat, while one other part of Indian naiton was treated well when
> > Indra gandhi bombed thier temples. few other parts of Indian nation do
> > not want Indian army to serve them and want them to leave their
> > territory. One part of Indian naition in Goa demanding rest of the
> > indians, along with regular indian army to get off their lands. Many
> > other examples of Indian army treatment for their nation. Want to listen
> > more? make the request.
> > >
> > > Military's involvment in politics was merely political. It has no
> > significant impact of military rule in the country over people. that is
> > why, people still love Pakistan's military and, unlike, indian
> > miliatary, Pakistanees feel proud to become a member of this military.
> > This era of military rule, that era of military rule. This is not your
> > problem, as non-Pakistani. However, you will be interested to know that
> > what are the after effects of military rule in Pakistan? Pakistan
> > produces 70 thousands barrels oil. 90% of this produced in military
> > rule. Pakistan's industrial infrastruction is still the same, which Ayub
> > Khan had made. Pakistan's military power enhanced in Zia's regime. Only
> > the last military ruler, musharraf messed up every thing. However, under
> > his rule we saw first assembly, which completed five years. highest
> > foreign reserves etc etc. This is what you would like to know. this era,
> > that era is not your problem. Or perhaps, you would like to tell us
> > about era like things in Indian military, which made it so proudable
> > amongs Indian Nation that non of the want to become a part of it.
> > >
> > > What Indian military serving to the nation. Perhaps, you would like to
> > tell us. What Indian Army is so unpopular amongs their own nation? Why
> > there are so many empty offices in Indian Army? Please tell us a little
> > about that. Instead of telling the different era of Pakistan Army.
> > >
> > >
> > > What happened in congo or some other african country where Indian army
> > found in some sex or gold scandal. Will you please put some light on
> > that? And also tell us why Indian government bought boxes for their dead
> > bodies in Kargil? Can Rising India is rising from that much depth, where
> > it can't menufacture few boxes for the dead bodies of their soldiers?
> > How much commision paid for thses boxes? Does wikipedia provide some
> > information about that too??? And bofors scandal???? what about that?
> > And this is not it. What Indian government banned tehalka .com website
> > or their offices, whatever? Will you please dare to tell us atleast one
> > single case whcih CBI had successfully investigated and resolved and the
> > culprits had already produced in the court of law and punished???? Or
> > everything is political..
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: M.
> > > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 10:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Pakistan Army (Pvt) Ltd. - Businessmen at
> > their Best
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mr. Saj,
> > > You said <Pakistan's Military is one of the world's largest, strongest
> > and dangarous militaries in the world> with whom you compare this power?
> > Telling such thing is so easy. If real battle comes I am cent percent
> > sure that this army cannot withstand a month.
> > > It is true that peoples are interested to join Pakistan Army more than
> > Indian Army.
> > > The reason behind that Pak Army gets more facility than Indian Army.
> > > See the history Pak army always in the government, they make cue again
> > and again and hold the power and betry the people. But in India there
> > are no military cues. (You will get information about that if you search
> > wikipedia?).
> > >
> > > Pakistan army is always greedy for power but Indian army wants to
> > serve the nation.
> > >
> > > see pakistan's history
> > >
> > > a.. 7 First military era (1958-1971)
> > > b.. 8 Second democratic era (1971-1977)
> > > c.. 9 Second military era (1977-1988)
> > > d.. 10 Third democratic era (1988-1999)
> > > e.. 11 Third military era (1999 - 2007)
> > > only democratic era is 1988 to 1999.
> > > If you say this army is good. It is really ridiculus.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2008/8/31 Saj SAJJAD_PAK@
> > >
> > > 
> > > Asalam Alaikum
> > >
> > > Mr. Robin, why you said "Could it be? Just Kidding"
> > >
> > > Pakistan's Military is one of the world's largest, strongest and
> > dangarous militaries in the world. It's role in Jihad e Afghanistan
> > could never be forgotten. Similarly, the way it had handled the
> > situation in Balochistan and in North is IDEAL for the so called western
> > and American military. They can only dream for such a performaces from
> > their own militaries. Unlike them, people out of Pakistan love to and
> > feel proud to become a member of this brave military. Unlike India,
> > where Indian Army is facing lack of officers in their military and
> > recruite almost every single candidate. Pakistan Army had REJECT more
> > than HALF of the applicants in recruiting process. India made lot of
> > movies to promote military in the peaple and to encourage them to become
> > a military officers. Still not able to fill the empty vacancies in
> > Indian military. But, on the other hand. The last TV drama, I
> > remmembered is made atleast 10 years before, with the co-operation of
> > ISPR (Inter Services Public Relations). Similarly, you will never see
> > recruitement advertisement, though small advertisement do given in
> > newspaper and sometimes in TV, to let people know at what date, the
> > recruitement will start in which area. Similarly, you will see lot of
> > pictures, where poor tribesmen of Balochistan and North will be standing
> > in long ques, waiting for thier number to give interview to become part
> > of the army. Hundreds of examples, like these could be given to you,
> > while such things would not exists in India, American, Israel etc etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > Pakistani military, especially army is running a big welfare
> > organisation, named Army Welfare Trust (AWT), which is responsible to
> > run the welfare project of onduty, retired and died military officers.
> > Hundreds of the projects completed and hundreds are in pipeline.
> > Billions of Dollars needed for these projects. Govertment is simply
> > unable to fulfil the heavy cost of these projects. Army seted up its own
> > income resources to fund these welfare projects. This was the basic
> > idea, which forced military to start profitable projects and to arrange
> > sufficient resources for welfare projects.
> > >
> > > Before I give you point to point response for the article like
> > material you wrote or copied from somewhere else. Let me try to help you
> > to understand, who these business projects are helping Pakistan to gain
> > control of national wealth.
> > >
> > > In Pakistan, there are two kinds of banks. Local Banks and Foreign
> > banks. Local banks had thousands of branches, so have hundreds of
> > thousands of employees. While foreign banks had only hundreds of
> > branches and so thousands of employees. The comparison of local and
> > foreign bank branches is 10 to 1. Which means that where local banks had
> > 10 branches, foreign banks had only 1 branch. While, on the other hand,
> > foreign banks had more deposits than local banks. Here, the ratio is
> > 40:60. Which means that where local banks had 40% of total deposits with
> > 10 branches, foreign banks had 60% deposits with only 1 branch. Now,
> > let's assume that Askari Commercial bank has One billion Rupees deposits
> > with 1000 employees and 10 branches. And then let's further assume that
> > Askari Commercial bank close down. Now, what will happen. 40% of
> > Askari's deposits will go to local banks (Infect, only 10%, as they are
> > good compatitors of foreign banks) and 60% will go to foreign banks.
> > while, atleast 8 branches will close down and almost 80 % people will
> > loose their jobs. So they doing good job by stoping good amount of money
> > from going to foreign banks. What you say?
> > >
> > > Real Estate.
> > >
> > > Defence Housing Authority (DHA) develop lands, through out the
> > country. and distribute plots ot onduty and retired officers and widows
> > of dead military personals. Such distribution is on very very cheap
> > price. Additionally, as they directly belong to the military, so
> > automatically considered as estate organisation. So people get trust on
> > them. As people are routinly and repeatedly looted by land mafias in
> > Pakistan. I, by myself, bought plots in two well reputed societies.
> > Years gone and still looking for development. But now, I see no recovery
> > from therm. While I bought plot in DHA, when I was outside the country.
> > Blind trust, isn't it? I visited my newly bought 2 Million (later 5
> > million) plot after 7 months of its purchase. Another fascinating thing.
> > What you say?
> > >
> > > This is not it. In Kalar Kahar, which is 170 kilometre far from
> > Islamabad. People were used to give their homes FREE on rent. With the
> > aim that the tenant will atleast take care of their home and nobody will
> > stole the bricks. Now, the rent of such homes is aroudn 50 thousands per
> > month. Because, there were news that military is going to make it
> > another Cantt. Whereever, military develop a cantt or land. The
> > economics of the areas change in days. They build roads, Hospitals,
> > schools etc etc.
> > >
> > > Industrial
> > >
> > > Fauji Cement and many other industries are paying billions of rupees
> > as tax. provding employeement to thousands of people. Meeting the needs
> > of demands of the country. Supplying quality products and thus making
> > the dream of self reliance, true. Military orgs never found in Cement
> > Scandal and Sugar Sandals. This is something new about our military,
> > which you told us. Perhaps, you would like to tell us what happened
> > during Kargil war. When they bought boxes from other countries. Was
> > India, with a billion population and billions of foreign reserves was
> > unable to manufacture boxes withing country?
> > >
> > > Bankings
> > >
> > > It is covered in the first few paragraphs.
> > >
> > > Construction
> > >
> > > Frontier Works Organisation is not a business institute. Perhaps, you
> > need to correct your knowledge. Norther bypass project is the only
> > project which faced failure. The government had conducted the
> > investigation and pointed out the culprits. The collapse of the small
> > project of norther baypass could not be considered as a failure of the
> > FWO, which engaged in construction of Karrakarum Highway, one of the
> > world's most dangarous highways. Where number of military personels had
> > sacrificed their lives. Coastal highway was not flushed out because it
> > was sub standards. But because of the high volume of flood water.
> > Government builds thousands of kilometre long roads every year. Many of
> > those flushed out, just becuase of floods and other national disasters.
> > A person with little mind can easily understand that human mind can not
> > fight with national disasters such as floods, earthquack etc.FWO is one
> > of the most important organisation for Pakistan and made smooth military
> > movement through out the country, possible. The infrastructure it
> > developed in the country is playing a vital role in the development of
> > the country.
> > >
> > > Agriculture & Livestock/Diary
> > >
> > > Military had never grabed the lands. Only a fool, like you can think
> > like this. Military does not have to do it. Secondly, Military is not a
> > major stake holder of agriculture lands in Pakistan. Few small diary
> > setup are purely for military's own use. They don't even own a milk
> > processing plant. They obtain lands from government. Then they give this
> > land to farmers on lease, such as in Okara, 360 kilometre away from
> > Islamabad. They buy their products right from their fields. Unlike,
> > other poor land owners, who are used to travel to islamabad to sell
> > their products. Military buy their product from their lands and on well
> > good price than the market. All such bought agriculture products are
> > mainly used for military's own purposes.
> > >
> > > Energy
> > >
> > > Energy sector of Pakistan needs heavy investments at the moment. Now a
> > days, Pakistan facing almost 40% electricity shortages and declining
> > resources of GAS in the country. Now, instead we invite the monster
> > companies like Hubco from outside the country and provide them the
> > oppertunity to loot and grab more money from the poor people of
> > Pakistan. We see our military a light of hope, which will be saving us
> > from such monsters in the future. Morover, the so called foreign
> > investers, like Hubco transfer all their profits out of the country and
> > thus the country had face big outflows of money. Askari CNG, together
> > with all Askari projects, atleast keep their money inside the country
> > and reinvest their earnings back in the business. Thus more self
> > reliance, more job oppertunites, more economical activities etc etc. And
> > after all, a good portion of such businesses are allocated to welfare
> > projects.
> > >
> > > Medical
> > >
> > > As this so called article said by itself that the people prefer to go
> > to the Combined Military Hospitals (CMH) and Miitary Hospitals (MH). You
> > can understand by yourself the quality of services they had been given
> > in these hospitals. Additionally, not only military men but civilians
> > are also provided full care and charges are far less than any other
> > hospital in the country. Only a delivery section of Shifa International
> > Hospital charge up to 40,000 Rs. While the Military Hospital (MH) charge
> > only 15,000 Rs. Further consessions are available and the oppertunity of
> > free treatment in some exceptional cases. High tech medical equipments
> > are always available to these hospitals due to unlimited availability of
> > funds, whereas other hospitals are always found struggling for their own
> > survivals. And how such unlimited funds are always available??? Got to
> > thing about it.
> > >
> > > And for all other stupidities.
> > >
> > > Army related education institutions are ver rare by the way. And most
> > for their own purposes. However, many of them are always available to
> > civilians, if they want to use their services. Additionally, look at
> > what you quoted by yourself. More and more facilities for them. And how
> > that possible. Just because of unlimited availability of funds and where
> > those unlimited funds came from???
> > >
> > > CSDs, bakeries etc are primarily to provide subsidised products to
> > military men. And are not always available to general public. These
> > small setups and part of the welfare projects and not the business
> > projects. Beware from the propagandists. Security services companies are
> > very rare in Pakistan. Additionally, the employees of many security
> > companeis found in bank robberies and house lootings etc. Military
> > security company is well trusted and well established org. While other
> > companies are emerging faster than miltary security companies.
> > >
> > > Askari bank, Askari Leasing, Askari Information systems etc are all
> > part of Askari Welfare Trust. The aim and objectives include to increase
> > the funds available for the welfare projects. Where Pakistan is facing
> > huge dificits in balance of payments and huge outflow of money due to so
> > called foreign investers, military's business projects not only making
> > possible the availability of funds for their welfare projects but also
> > making huge contributions in naitonal economy, paying huge taxes,
> > allocating huge money for AWT.
> > >
> > > Pakistani military had never found in any kind of Sex, monetary and
> > drugs scandals in the world. Infect, in congo it was Indian Army, which
> > found in monetory and sex scandals.
> > >
> > > In all sectors, like cement, fertilizers, oil, sugar, security, gas
> > explorations etc. Pakistan is looking for huge investment. Instead we
> > always run behind the so called foreign investers, who loot our money
> > and transfer it back to their countries. If military or non-military is
> > willing to engage in any sector, we will always welcome it. This was
> > they not only make profit. But a good portion of this profit is
> > allocated for welfare purposes. Additionally, thousands jobs
> > oppertunities, huge contribution in GDP etc etc are all positively
> > welcomed in the country.
> > >
> > > And stop visiting such stupid websites, such as facistmilitary. Those
> > who own the pubs and those who found inside it are always considered as
> > the same.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Robin Khundkar
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:48 PM
> > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Pakistan Army (Pvt) Ltd. - Businessmen at their
> > Best
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > A wet dream to another neighboring army in the region!
> > >
> > > Could it be? JUST KIDDING!!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Welcome to the largest business stakeholder of Pakistan Our Companies
> > > Pakistan Army is the largest and Most Organized Business Organization
> > in Pakistan. Our Business ranges from Real Estate to Retail Stores
> > throughout Pakistan. At Pakistan Army we are always busy in expanding
> > our business line. Here is a brief introduction of our business lines.
> > >
> > > For us, Defence means Defence Housing Authority....
> > > nothing else.
> > >
> > > Real Estate 'Plot' is the word we love more than any other word. Real
> > Estate is most beloved business of us and we are known all around the
> > word for our Defence Housing Authority, Askari Villas and Cavalry
> > Housing Schemes. We have successfully introduced Defence Housing Schemes
> > in Lahore, Karachi and Islamabad and nowadays we are trying to conquer
> > new lands in Waziristan, Wana and Balochistan so we can develop new
> > phases of DHA there. Because in 'plots' we trust.
> > > Industrial
> > > Askari group and Fauji Group are known for our successful business
> > strategies. Remeber that Cement Scandal and Sugar Scandal? Then don't
> > forget our Askari Cement and Askari Sugar mills that played important
> > role in making cartels and the raising the prices of Cement and Sugar.
> > We love to earn billions overnight by these methods. Fauji Fertilizers
> > and Fauji Foods are our other ventures in the filed. Because we know a
> > little more than a million ways to increase our wealth.
> > > Banking
> > > We believe that all wealth is ours so here's our Askari Bank and
> > Askari Leasing so that we can get more out of it. We want our presence
> > in every business and we love banking simply because we love money. Our
> > banking sector is fast growing due to our strategies and our hand on the
> > nerves on government and people of Pakistan. besides Askari Commercial
> > bank, we also run Askari general Insurance Company. Money is all that
> > matters.
> > > Construction
> > > Here is our Frontier Works Organization in Construction Business.
> > Everyone must remember that Sher Shah Bypass in Karachi that collapsed
> > after 25 days of its inauguration. It was simply an example of our
> > expertise and our professionalism in the field of construction. before
> > this, we had already constructed Coastal Highway that flushed away with
> > heavy rains.
> > > Agriculture/Livestock/Dairy
> > > It is more often said that agriculture is not a profitable business in
> > Pakistan but we have proved it wrong. We are major stakeholder of
> > agricultural land in Pakistan and we have developed our
> > agricultural/Livestock/Dairy farms and its a highly profitable business
> > for us because we don't buy land, we just grab it so there are no
> > chances of any loss.
> > > Energy
> > > In the field of Energy we are present with Askari CNG Ltd, Fauji Power
> > Company, Foundation Gas and other companies. We also have oil
> > distribution company and terminals throughout Pakistan. So we are key
> > player in the field as we have largest facilities throughout Pakistan
> > thanks to our guns.
> > > Medical
> > > We have turned this profession into a highly profitable business as
> > well. We have our own hospitals throughout Pakistan and since we are
> > Pakistan Army, we receive best facilities from government and so bloody
> > civilians prefer our CMHs and they are always willing to spend a little
> > more so our pockets are always hefty. Besides our hospitals we also run
> > Askari Pharmaceuticals so we should not miss any opportunity to earn.
> > > Education
> > > How can we leave this field empty while it has become a highly
> > profitable business in Pakistan. So here we are with our Army Public
> > Schools, garrison Colleges and Bahria University. Since we have the
> > advantage to be Army so our educational projects have more facilities
> > that any other institution. So there are always more opportunities for
> > more and more and more profit.
> > > Information Technology
> > > Information Technology is also a fast growing business so we are
> > present here as well with our Askari Information Systems. At Air Weapon
> > Complex we utilize the funds from government and increase opportunities
> > for our IT business.
> > > Retail
> > > In retail sector we have introduced our CSD stores throughout Pakistan
> > so that no business should escape us. Besides that we have our own
> > bakeries, stationary and other specialty shops. More shops means more
> > business and more profit.
> > > Security
> > > We are providing security services to corporate sector. Our employees
> > are trained soldiers but they are not trained for national defence. For
> > us Defence means Defence housing Authority, nothing else. So we have
> > established a security agency to utilize the training and make more
> > profit.
> > > Recreational
> > > We have introduced Royal Palm Clubs, Golf Courses, resorts and Motels
> > all over Pakistan so if still there are some people in Pakistan who can
> > spend something on recreation, we are always there to grab it. Our golf
> > courses and resorts have state of the art facilities because we are
> > Pakistan Army. We also provide Aviation service for recreational
> > purposes since Pakistan Army owns helicopters and fighter planes but
> > these are not meant to use in national Defence so why not enjoy and earn
> > profit? So we have Askari Aviation Services.
> > > Human Trade
> > > It is our unique business and after 9/11 we have turned into a highly
> > sophisticated business line. We supply prisoners for Guantanamo and
> > other prisons. We also supply suspected terrorists bodies whenever US
> > president needs it to get support from his people. We have been
> > supplying prisoners for just $5000 per person and we earned billions as
> > stated by our CEO in his world famous book. We can supply human bodies
> > alive or dead as per the requirements of President of United State of
> > America.
> > > Services to Smugglers
> > > We recently earned international fame for our services to gold
> > smugglers in Congo. Beside helping them in smuggling gold, we also
> > provided them with necessary weapons. In Past we have proved ourselves
> > in narcotics smuggling field during Afghan War of 1980s.
> > > Other Businesses
> > > Everything is a business according to us so we find our ways to make
> > profit out of everything. Like in Disaster management when billions of
> > rupees are collected from donors, we are always there to get our due
> > share. Recently when an earthquake hit Pakistan's northern areas, we
> > collected billions or rupees and still nation is surprised that how did
> > we manage to spend this money while even after two years, people are
> > living without any relief.
> > > Future Plans
> > > It is our ambition to take over every business that exists in the
> > world so in near future we are launching our Askari Beauty Parlours,
> > Askari Fashion Stores, Fauji Casinos and Bars, Defence Escort Services
> > and much much more. In short life is all about money and money belongs
> > to us.
> > >
> > > On the right side of this page you will find an incomplete list of our
> > companies. It's just an incomplete list. We have many many more ventures
> > we can't even keep records like many commercial complexes in DHA and
> > resorts, motels and clubs. Our business range is wider than your
> > imagination.
> > >
> > >
> > > Mega Projects
> > > a.. DHA Islamabad
> > > Most luxurious and expenssive housing scheme in the capital.
> > > Details
> > > b.. DHA
> > > Most valuable and luxuries housing scheme in Lahore.
> > > Details
> > > c.. DHA
> > > Karachi's premium and most expenssive housing scheme.
> > > Details
> > >
> > > Big Eaters
> > > a.. Frontier Works Organization
> > > (Pakistan's largest construction contractor and toll collector
> > company)
> > > Details
> > > b.. National Logistics Cell
> > > (Largest logistics company of Pakistan, also deals in Construction,
> > Toll and Industrial)
> > > Details
> > > c.. Air Weapon Complex
> > > Deals in weapons and IT/Telecom equipments, Also provide services to
> > corporate and manufacturing sector
> > > Details
> > >
> > > Askari Group (AWT)
> > > a.. Askari Bank Limited
> > > b.. Askari Leasing Limited
> > > c.. Askari General Insurance Company Limited
> > > d.. Askari Cement Limited
> > > e.. Askari Aviation (Pvt.) Limited
> > > f.. Mobil Askari Lubricants Limited
> > > g.. Askari Guards (Pvt.) Limited
> > > h.. Askari Information Systems Limited
> > > i.. Askari Pharmaceuticals
> > > j.. Askari Sugar Mills
> > > k.. Askari Farms and Seeds
> > > l.. Askari CNG
> > > m.. Askari Shoe Project
> > > n.. Askari Woolen Mills
> > > o.. Askari College for Entrepreneurs
> > > p.. Askari Real Estate
> > >
> > > Details
> > > Fauji Foundation
> > > a.. Fauji Fertilizer Company Limited
> > > b.. Fauji Fertilizer Bin Qasim Limited
> > > c.. Fauji Cement Company Limited
> > > d.. Fauji Kabirwala Power Company Limited
> > > e.. Fauji Oil Terminal & Distribution Company Limited
> > > f.. Mari Gas Company Limited
> > > g.. Foundation Gas
> > > h.. Fauji Sugar Mills, Sangla Hill
> > > i.. Fauji Cereals Fauji Corn Complex
> > > j.. Foundation Securities (Pvt) Limited
> > > k.. Fauji Overseas Employment Services
> > > l.. Fauji Security Services (Pvt) Limited
> > >
> > > Details
> > > Shaheen Foundation
> > > a.. Shaheen Airport Services
> > > b.. Shaheen Air Cargo
> > > c.. Shaheen School Systems
> > > d.. Shaheen Complex Lahore
> > > e.. Shaheen Complex Karachi
> > > f.. Shaheen Housing Scheme Projects
> > > g.. Ensign Communique
> > > h.. InfoSpan Pakistan
> > > i.. Shaheen Aero Traders
> > > j.. Shaheen Insurance
> > > k.. Shaheen Knitwear
> > > l.. Shaheen Medical Services
> > > m.. Shaheen Rent A Car
> > > n.. Shaheen Fuel Filling Stations
> > >
> > > Details
> > > Bahria Foundation
> > > a.. Bahria University Karachi
> > > b.. Bahria University Islamabad
> > > c.. Bahria Commercial Complexes Karachi
> > > d.. Bahria Maritime Services
> > > e.. Bahria Shipping & harbour Services
> > > f.. Marine Salvage Operation Services
> > > g.. Marine manpower Services
> > > h.. Marine Survey Services
> > > i.. Harbour Channel Security Services
> > > j.. Aviation Support Services
> > > k.. Bahria School Systems
> > > l.. Bahria Boat Building & Engineering
> > > m.. Bahria Paints
> > > n.. Bahria Security Systems and Services
> > > o.. Bahria Travel Agency
> > > p.. Bahria Recruiting Agency
> > > q.. Bahria Pharmacy
> > > r.. Falah Trading Agency
> > > s.. Bahria Bread Manufacturing
> > > t.. Bahria Childcare Centres
> > >
> > > Details
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨)
> > > (¸.·´ (¸.·` * Mun!M
> > >
> > > Sigmund Freud - "Love and work are the cornerstones of our humanness."
> > >
> >
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