Your "Thoughts on Terror" are ugly and hateful. You justify islamists terrorism:
"Muslims, incensed by the brutality of the state, witnessed most starkly in the state-sponsored anti-Muslim pogrom in Gujarat, as a way of seeking revenge."
Is revenge the name of the game? Do you think hindus should also take revenge?
While you praise the muslims:
"They readily quote the Quran as announcing that so heinous is the sin of killing a single innocent individual that it is akin to slaying the whole of humankind.",
you denounce hindus
"psychosis among Hindus, present themselves as saviours of the Hindus in the face of `Islamic terrorism' and, thereby, capture the Hindu vote-bank."
You are pathologically assymetric! And you are a hate-monger! I will not be surprised if you do this for petro-dollar!
Tistarbahe
They readily quote the Quran as announcing that so heinous is the sin of killing a single innocent individual that it is akin to slaying the whole of humankind.
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"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". -Beatrice Hall [pseudonym: S.G. Tallentyre], 190Yahoo! Groups Links
"The Western countries mostly officially 'separated' church from the state and generated the present state of declined social values and cruelties. Excluding their capital gains, they continue to be in the 19th century. Sometimes tend to go further backward.",
you seem defy logic and fact. The western countries are most advanced on this planet and their social values glorify human existence. They are superior to muslim countries simply because they have 'separated' church from the state.
tistarbahe
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The weeklong Software Freedom Day celebration by BdOSN begins at Noakhali Science and Technology University on 16th September. This year the day is observed on 20th September (3rd Saturday of the month September). Because of ramadan and vacation of the different universities, BdOSN plans to celebrate the day from 16 to 22nd September in different parts of the country. NSTU OSN organized a discussion on the software freedom where the teachers and volunteers of NSTU OSN addressed. They explained why the country like Bangladesh needs Freedom of Software.
The meeting was addressed by Mr Rashed Mostafa, Md Javed Hossain, Tarek Hasan Al Mahmud. They also gave answer to the questions of the students. Later the students roam around the campus with a banner.
--by NPR
Noakhali, Bangladesh, September 16, 2008
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This is not a family matter. It is human right of a person. The child was a practicing muslim and you cremated him against his wish. It is a crime. People like you are really the trouble maker of this society. You twist things according to your liking and dis-liking.
SH
Toronto
--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups To: alochona@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 8:51 AM
I agree completely with Cyrus. It is not our business how Mina Farah handles her personal matters. Mr. Aminul Islam should keep his nose within the parameters of his own family.
Robin Khundkar
-----Original Message----- From: Cyrus Sent: Sep 15, 2008 10:22 AM To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups
Mr. Aminul Islam....no one cares if you demand exemplary punishment of Mina Farah. We demand exemplary punishment of those who advocate for throwing stones at women, burn down temples, rape and ravage women of other faith, discriminate against anyone who doesn't subscribe their way. How about we start there? Please, don't even try to tell me that this is what Islam preaches. I know enough about Islam to know that IT IS the most secular of all religions, and hatred has no place in it.
Mina Farah, an exemplary and accomplished businesswoman and a tremendous writer, decided what she felt was the right thing to do for her family. If she did wrong, she is accountable to God, and not you. You, Sir, should worry about your family and how you will be burried, and not interfere into her decision.
Cyrus
----- Original Message ---- From: Md. Aminul Islam <aminul_islam_ raj@yahoo. com> To: Amra-Bangladesi@ yahoogroups. com; alochona@yahoogroup s.com; sonarbangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; WideMinds@yahoogrou ps.com; notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; banglarnari@ yahoogroups. com; dahuk@yahoogroups. com; khabor@yahoogroups. com; chottala@yahoogroup s.com; vinnomot@yahoogroup s.com; notunbangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; faruquealamgir@ yahoo.com; ayubi_s786@yahoo. com; javediqbalkaleem@ yahoo.com; dreamer_hillol@ yahoo.com; chena_kew@yahoo. com; bdmailer@gmail. com; diagnose@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:23:17 AM Subject: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups
Dear all,
May be you all are shocked at the sad news that a Muslim youth was died in a accident in USA. His mother so called controversial writer Mina fara oppose his funeral in Muslim rituals and finally burnt him.He was a pious Muslim. He attended a ifter mahfil on that day.
Dear susil sujon secular groups why dont you protest the inhuman anti muslim act?
Then your secularism means opposition of islam?
we demand exemplary punishment of Mina.
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Bangladesh being connected with Trans-Eurasia Information Network
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Bangladesh is going to be connected with 'Trans-Eurasia Information Network' (TEIN-3) in order to upgrade the quality of education in the country by reaping the benefits of modern information technology alre-ady achieved by the developed countries.
According to sources in the Ministry of Education, 'Information and Communications Technology (ICT) Taskforce' approved the proposal of the country's getting connectivity with the Trans-Eurasia Information Network on August 11 last.
By getting connectivity with 'Trans-Eurasia Information Net-work' (TEIN-3), Bangladesh will be able to upgrade its quality of education in schools, colleges and universities by utilising the benefits of global research by taking part in those initiatives. It will also be able to enhance its human resources to global standards by collaborative research and education. The network will empower the citizens of Bangladesh with enhanced access to global research information and help Bangladesh to utilise the existing TEIN-2 Applications, like Tele-medicine, Earth Monitoring which include Disaster warning, Oceanography, Climatology and High potential areas; E-learning, E-Heritage, E-Science and so on.
Sources said, to facilitate the plan to have connectivity with TEIN-3, the government is formulating a new project titled "Higher Education Quality Enhancement Project" (HEQEP) for Bangladesh.
The project is proposed to be funded by the World Bank. One of the major components of the project is to establish a national research network named "Bangladesh National Research and Education Network (BdREN). Establishment of BdREN is a prerequisite to get connected with TEIN-3 and any other such global network. The proposed BdREN will be a non-profit initiative which will be owned and operated by the universities and research organizations of Bangladesh.
It may be mentioned that the 'Trans-Eurasia Information Network' was initiated by European Union (EU) to establish connectivity among the research and education networks (REN) of the Asia-Pacific region. The initiative has already passed through two stages and the present initiative is the third one (TEIN-3) where Bangladesh has been considered to be connected. TEIN-2 has linked the Research and Education Networks (RENs) of China, Indonesia, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Philippines, Sing-apore, Thailand, Vietnam and Australia. TEIN-3 is the 3rd phase of TEIN network, which aims at connecting RENs of South Asian countries with RENs of EU countries representing more than 3,500 Research and Educational Institutions.
TEIN was initiated with a view to improving connectivity between the South Asian research and education communities and also with the European counterpart, expanding the geographical scope of the network to include additional South Asian countries, sources said.
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China will provide special preferential treatment for access of some Bangladeshi products to its market to reduce the prevailing trade imbalance between the two countries and cooperate in paving the way for implementation of the Ruppur Nuclear Power Plant. It assured cooperation in constructing two more bridges--Meghna and Gomti bridges--in Bangladesh.
China will also consider Bangladesh's request for engaging itself in the Bangladesh-Myanmar road link scheme meant for enhancing trade and people-to-people contact. The assurances came during official talks between Chief Adviser Fakhruddin Ahmed and Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao at the Great Hall of the People yesterday.
It was hoped at the official talks that trade volume between the two countries would reach a targeted $5billion by 2010. The talks lasted about an hour, covering politics, trade and economic cooperation and investment as well as agricultural cooperation.
The chief adviser requested China's involvement in Bangladesh-Myanmar road communications to connect Kunming of China with the trans-border road link and sought Chinese government's cooperation in constructing a 111-kilometer road.
Responding positively to Bangladesh's request, the Chinese side said they would talk to Myanmar. Similarly, Bangladesh side said they would also carry it forward with Myanmar. The meeting emphasised tripartite meeting involving Bangladesh, Myanmar and China.
Responding to the request of the chief adviser, the Chinese side instantly declared that they would double the present number of Bangladesh's student scholarships from 50 to 100.At the official talks it was told that China would send a delegation to Bangladesh over the matter of Ruppur Nuclear Power Plant.
After the talks, an agreement on economic and technical cooperation and two memoranda of understanding (MoU) on hydrological information on the Brahmaputra river and on agricultural technical cooperation were signed.
Foreign Secretary M Touhid Hossain and Bangladesh Ambassador in Beijing Munshi Faiz Ahmed and two vice-ministers and head of Agriculture Academy signed the agreement and MoUs on behalf of their respective sides. Chief Adviser Fakhruddin and the Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao witnessed the signing ceremony.
The top leaders of the present-day economic superpower--its president, premier and vice-president--remarked that the Bangladesh-China friendship is "an all-weather friendship" that remains alive overcoming various issues.
The Chinese rulers assured Bangladesh of all-out cooperation in accelerating its socioeconomic development. They said the visit of the chief adviser will remain as a "milestone" in the friendship between Bangladesh and China.The chief adviser also met Chinese President Hu Jintao and Vice-president Xi Jinping.
Foreign Adviser Iftekhar Ahmed Chowdhury, Foreign Secretary Touhid Hossian, CA's Press Secretary Syed Fahim Munaim, Bangladesh Ambassador to China Munshi Faiz Ahmed and Secretary of CA's Office Kazi Aminul Islam from Bangladesh side, while Chinese foreign minister, vice- minister of commerce, Chinese ambassador to Dhaka and assistant minister for foreign affairs were present at the official talks.
After the talks, Foreign Adviser Iftekhar Ahmed Chowdhury and CA's Press Secretary Syed Fahim Munaim briefed newsmen about the outcome of official talks.
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These are all very valid reasons and so I proposed to get rid off traditional party politics with non-party peoples' participatory democracy. My following write-up has some suggestions in this regard.
WHAT EXIT STRATEGY SHOULD BE FOR THE C.T.G. & MILITARY?
Army backed CTG assumed power a year and a half ago while a general election was promised to be held within two years. It seems that the CTG has kept its promise and is trying to meet the originally promised milestone for election. However, it is observed that both the army and CTG are facing a host of problems in making the election happen in due time. Various political parties are buzzing differently. Some of them declared the election boycotts, some of them are putting hard and fast conditions, and some of them are asking to release their favorite people who are now under government custody for the charges of monetary corruptions. Grabbing political power by the military of the country is the highest form of political corruption. But the most arrogant behavior of the incumbent administration, the most dubious activities of the President, and the most destructive activities of the opposition compelled the highest fire-power of the country to step in to stop all those nonsense activities and save the people of the country from the extreme violence orchestrated by the so called politicians of both major parties. After taking over the administrative power, both the CTG and the military, made a lot of mistakes one after the other. One dreadful mistake was lingering the monetary corruption drive for too long time without starting immediate due process for trial and punishment. Monetary corruptions are criminal offenses that had to be tried promptly by the law of the court, and move on. This is haunting this government severely. How come so many people are imprisoned without convicting any of the corrupted politicians? The government is releasing these corrupted politicians now without any legal due processes. So, what does that mean? Are they all innocent? If so, why they were in prison in the first place? If they were guilty, they must be punished. But why they are being released if they were suspected to be guilty when they were arrested? Does it mean that this government is whimsical? Where did the law and fairness go? All the mistakes done by the government have eroded the high praise that they won by significantly improving the law and order situation of the country. No one in the world is without any errors, and not everybody has the utmost efficiency in their jobs. While the CTG and Army had no previous experience of running a country, they are expected to make some mistakes, but that should not let the sky fall. Solutions have to be searched by the government as well as everybody else in the country. It is the duty of all citizens of the country to try to help the government whatever way they can, and the government should make the environment such that people can interact with the government facing no troubles. Otherwise, a peaceful transition of power won't happen. The present government is composed of two components, a civil CTG and an armed Military. Army came to power in the form of physical takeover, just short of declaring Martial Law. Improving the Law and order situation throughout the country is real praiseworthy. The country must have, for all times, this type of excellent law and order situation, no matter, who rules or what type of government runs the country. If the government can not provide law and order, everything of the country falls into the puddle. Until RAB was formed, the street thugs, hoodlums, private tax collectors, robbers, and illegal arm bearers would reign the entire country, bypassing the government. Sometimes these bad elements would even have the influence on the government and the government would have to favor them. That situation has been tackled wisely by the present government and so the people of the country started liking this government quite well. However, the CTG or the Army can not rule the country for too long time. But it is also true that the people of this country have not seen this sort of peace in law and order for the past several decades. Should people give it away soon? I don't think anybody would like to do it. So, what is the solution that this present government should look for such that a peaceful transfer of power would happen and the similar law and order, as we have today, will continue in the future days also?
It is real hard to find out any real and practical solution to keep peace as well as to get the democracy back. However, we need to make transition, and we must keep peace in the country by maintaining the law and order situation. How it can be achieved? The existing political parties have already shown that they are extremely party aligned and the party leaders are not open enough to cooperate with the other parties. It has been seen in the past that the political parties are after their part interests only and not for the benefit of the people of the country. In this situation, if those old parties come to power again, definitely there will be no peace. In order to establish the legacy of the lasting peace in the country, there has to have some other ways, and some other means that the present government has to follow during the power transfer. Government should form search committees, commissions, and enlightened groups to look for various options how the democracy can be established and the law and order can be maintained unconditionally. We lost already a lot of lives, properties, economic progress, fames, and fortunes because of the chaos, conflicts, and lawlessness in the country for quite a long time. Let's not repeat those unfortunate happenings in our country again. Reconciliation, Unity, Mutual Understanding, Ethics, Respect for Law, and to avoid all anarchism for ever can bring the country together towards a lasting peace. The traditional democracy is good where society is bonded and do not erupt suddenly with tiny bit of sparks hitting somewhere in the country. Bangladesh is still far away from reaching to that state. A lot of cultural and social traditions and bindings make that to happen. We need some time to learn those things. Reforming the administrative structure of the government is necessary to be able to perform good governance for the country. One suggestion would be to modify the administrative structure of the government from one layer to three different layers. If the multi-layer government could be instituted, it would be very beneficial for the general public in order to be able to provide public administration services effectively creating a check and balance amongst the layers. The first layer shall be county level, second layer shall be the district level, and the third level shall be the federal level for the entire country. Each level shall have the fully independent government, not being the part of the other levels. All districts shall be divided into four, five or six counties. Thereby the whole country would be divided into about 250 to 300 counties. Set up a local government for each county. This local County Government shall be responsible for all local administrations such as local legislative houses, local administrative boards, police, court, schools, land record and revenue, real estate development and zoning, taxation, business licensing and controls, roads, bridges, and other development works, hospitals, transportation, safety, security, public welfare, child protection, social work, industry, fishery, animal husbandry, agricultural, forestry, mining, water, electricity, gas, and other supplies, etc. All elementary, middle, and high schools in the county shall be run with the personal property taxes and other taxes collected form the county including the grants from the district government and federal government. All other components of the county government shall be run by the tax collected from the residents and businesses of that county plus the district and federal government grants and aids. Let the District Administrations have the coordination, training and supervisory duties to look after the county administrations. District administrative employees shall be highly trained and well rounded professionals but the District Government shall be lean, less people but highly efficient at work with impressive compensation. The District Government shall have the administrative council and legislative bodies including the counterparts of each of the departments of the counties. Only at times of need they should deploy their respective teams to help the counties, should any need or crises arise. District administration should be able to collect moderate amount of tax from the incomes of the citizens and businesses in the district. Districts may set up model institutes, extra-ordinary schools and colleges. The universities shall be run by the districts. Inter-county commerce shall be controlled by the district. Districts shall build all transportation and communication highways, railways, airports, river and water development projects, research institutes, large scale hospitals, highway traffic police, district courts, district prisons, utility oversight boards, regulatory bodies, parks, museums, zoos, etc. The federal government shall be the ultimate administrative, legislative, and regulatory body in the country. The administrative head may be a president or a prime minister based on whether parliamentary or presidential democracy is chosen by the people of the country. It can be decided by the polls or primary elections. Federal Government shall be in charge of key issues of the nation such as Military, Money, Foreign Policy, Inter-District and Foreign Commerce, National Affairs & Policies, Drug and Gangs Control, National Safety-Security-Homeland Protection, Industry Regulation, Financial & Market Economy Safeguarding, Deregulating and Privatizing Public Utilities, Foreign Aid Collection-Distribution-Payment, National highways & Transportation, and establishing Counterpart Departments to train and provide supports to the same in the district governments and in the county governments. Two tier legislative houses (upper & lower) would prepare laws of the country. Why should we have this three tier governments in lieu of the present on tier Government of Bangladesh? The main reason is the focus of the government. It is always better to be the master of a trade instead of being the jack of all trades. When a one tier government takes care of all affairs in a nation, none of the affairs can be taken care of well. It puts the government into the situation of the jack of all trades. If the government has three tiers/layers then each layer can focus on the issues differently. The local government can take care of all peoples' affairs in its own territory such as public protection, law & order, schools, real estates, businesses, banking, transports, roads & highways, agriculture, industry, markets, health, hospitals, child welfare, land, forestry, fishery, animal husbandry, minerals, mining, and so on and so forth. When area becomes smaller, most people know each other. Almost everyone knows who is a good person and who is a bad person. With this public knowledge, people can elect or select good people in the politics and administration. Bad, greedy, thugs, and cheats can be stopped this way to take the advantage of coming into politics and ruining the political environment. While public is administered by all these local county governments, the district and federal government can focus on support and policy making jobs. Since the district and federal government will not directly handle the real estates, properties, industries, and public directly, it will provide them an opportunity to be less greedy for real estates, properties, bribes, and hoarding. Also, the law & order and public protection services will be provided by the local government and so the district and federal government won't have to spend too much time on these crucial issues which will provide a very good opportunity to spend more time on researching and making public policies for the national stability and upliftment. The federal government will also get more opportunity to interact with the foreign government and international institutions such as IMF, World Bank, UNO, and other international organizations. This will greatly facilitate the federal government in bringing more international helps to build and progress the nation. Aside from governance, this three tier government system in the country will provide a great opportunity to the people of the country to run the country with less dependence and helps from the politicians. It has been seen in the past that the election and politics in the third world countries in Asia and Africa has become the means of grabbing the state power and hoarding the wealth of the nation. When politicians fail, military takes over, and do the same thing. So, it is necessary to reduce the dependence of the public on the politicians and on the military of the country for public administration. A one tier government grabs all affairs of the administration in the country and so leaves no alternatives to public other than fully to depend on who grabbed the power (politicians or military). Alternatively, in the three tier/layer government, the local county government is composed of mainly the locally known famous persons regardless of their political affiliations. Military take over of the local government is highly unlikely mainly because the military always belongs to the central government and at the time of national crises, military takes over the central government. If t three tier governments exist, even if the military takes over, the local government must remain functional and the military won't have enough manpower and resources to replace all the local civil governments to local military governments. So, even in the event of military takeover, all public will be basically administering the local county civil governments. This will affect very less the public and business lives of the country. Country will remain lot more stable as far as the public lives, economic and business operations. Moreover, a head of the county can be elected by the local people of the county who will better know who is a good leader, good social worker, honest, and basically a good person, no matter what party he/she is in or even an independent person. This way if the county people locally employ 250 to 300 county heads (with designation such as administrator, supervisor, chairman, president or CEO) in the entire country and they are given the status of being the member of parliament then this group of county administrators initially can engage into discussions with the present CTG and military rulers to formulate a permanent settlement on the transfer of power of the federal government to a settled civilian federal government. If this power transfer job is handled by the political parties only, definitely there will be a lot of games on muscle, greed, power grabbing strategies, chaos, confusions, and it is feared that the pre one eleven situation will come back again to the country. This must be avoided al all costs by all patriotic honest people of the country. Only the dishonest traitors, cheaters, hoarders, and musclemen will be benefited by the repetition of the situation of pre-one eleven. The old politicians are all corrupt, dubious, inefficient, greedy, and outrageously dishonest. It is only hope that the new politicians out of new blood will emerge in future in the country to take the country into the right direction but it will definitely not happen if the pre-one eleven situation comes back in the country. So, the suggestion to the CTG and the Military Government leaders to think about and form this three tier/layer government in the country before transferring the power to any other government. Elections did never solve our national problems, and will never do it unless it is done properly in a proper environment. Definitely elections will be needed for us to assume the democratic government but the situation of Bangladesh is at present in such a condition that a mere election will not resolve our acute national strife. We must first put the nation in order. Create appropriate situation which I believe can be achieved by establishing this three tier government in the country now, leaving behind all other national power transfer activities. It is almost guaranteed that if it is not done today, it will never be done by the other governments in future mainly for the reason that the present condition of Bangladesh will not support or give birth to selfless politicians, rather will all be corrupt. The corrupt politicians will not adopt the three tier/layer government because it will stop them from looting and hoarding the state money and properties and will not provide the scope of reigning with their own gang of terrors and tax collectors (chadabuz). A country like ours must avoid going down the spirals of these unfortunate pitfalls for ever. It must be stopped somewhere and try to re-run with fairness, honesty and aptitude. The political bullies keep the good and honest people to take part in administration of the country politically or otherwise. So, if their scope of capitalizing the political muscle in public administration, they will try to adjust themselves also. So, let us try to establish these institutions for the good governance of the country before any other changes. Let the public administration be run by these local governments for a test period of two, three or five years to see how effectively they are running the administration. In the mean time let all these 250 to 300 honest and independent county heads attend the temporary parliament and give their consensus on future national adoptions, policies and changes for the country; and see where they can take us. We have seen the politicians for long time; let us give chance to the independents to give a test run for the bright and stable future of our country.
Thanks, KR
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com From: thoughtocrat@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:43:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: BNP & Khaleda not only negotiated with the present government but also surrendered to the government.
You know Ezajur bhai...regardless of what people say, this is also a step towards strengthening our democracy. We see the wrong things our politicians are doing, and we protest against it. We also talk to our children about it, so that when they grow up, they know that they deserve better that stubborn and petty politics. We may not see a new wave of democratic practices in our lifetime. But knowing that there is a popular movement by people like you and I, we can tell that our democracy has the right pulse. Now, if we can only make our politicians understand our strength......
Piaju! Piaju! :o)
Cyrus
----- Original Message ---- From: ezajur <ezajur.rahman@q8.com> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:31:55 AM Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: BNP & Khaleda not only negotiated with the present government but also surrendered to the government.
Dear Alochoks
BNP and AL, Hasina and Khaleda, the CTG - all negotiated with each other. Some of it is obvious and some of it is secret. And a lot of what is said in public is for show only. They should negotiate and they should have negotiated earlier.
Jeedhi politics - stubborn politics - have destroyed us.
The first politcians to reach out and bridge the gaps in our society will have the eternal best wishes of humanity and history.
But our politcians just don't get it....
BNP guys never talk about crimes committed by BNP. AL guys never talk about crimes committed by AL.
It is selfish, shameles and senseless.
There is certainly more roasting and toasting to come for our rotten politicians. ...
Piaju! Piaju! Piaju!
Ezajur Rahman Kuwait
--- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "Md. Aminul Islam" <aminul_islam_ raj@...> wrote: > > Surrender!!! to whom ? Hasina or inu minu? > BAL leader copltely surrendered to .... > khaleda freed in ligal process and BAL netri Hasina in parrole by an executive order of govt. > Then who surrendered? > > Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@ ...> wrote: > BAL aabhinetri top ei sarkarke tader andoloner phashal bole swagoto janiechilo. Bua engineer anu majhi ki sheta bhule gechen? Ekhon tader andoloner phqasal ki kore BNP r shqathey atat kare> eta ki bishshash joggo? > Ayubi > > > --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Md. Mostafa Kamal wrote: > > > From: Md. Mostafa Kamal > > Subject: Re: BNP & Khaleda not only negotiated with the present government but also surrendered to the government. > > To: notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com, amra- bangladeshi@ yahoogroups. com > > Cc: "Bhua-Chotta- Stupid-Liar- Cheater Engr. Shafiq Bhuiyan" , "Salahuddin Ayubi" , "Musfique Prodhan" , "Md. Aminul Islam" , faruquealamgir@ ... > > Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 5:44 PM > > Bhua-Chotta- Stupid-Liar- Cheater Engineer, > > > > Bangladesher manus ki etoi boka je, tumader BAL CTG'r > > sathe aposh koreche ta bujhtey parey na. Desh ta ki BALer > > Baper jomidari.... .....ja chabe seta na holey CTG key > > galagali korbey. Tumar Jalil, Sajaprapto Nasim jodi bdeshe > > jai, temni Tareq Rahman O bdesh jaoar odhikar rakhey. BNP > > has crore supporters more than BAL. Tara Hindustaner Napaki > > DALAL BAL key ghrina korey. > > > > Thank You All, > > > > Md. Mostafa Kamal. > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Engr. Shafiq Bhuiyan > > wrote: > > > > From: Engr. Shafiq Bhuiyan > > Subject: BNP & Khaleda not only negotiated with the > > present government but also surrendered to the government. > > To: BanglaPolitics@ yahoogroups. com, > > banglarnari@ yahoogroups. com, bdstudents@yahoogro ups.com, > > bristi_namai@ yahoogroups. com, chottala@yahoogroup s.com, > > dahuk@yahoogroups. com, Diagnose@yahoogroup s.com, > > FutureOfBangladesh@ yahoogroups. com, khabor@yahoogroups. com, > > motamoth@... , mukto-mona@. .., > > sa7rong@yahoogroups .com, uttorshuri@yahoogro ups.com > > Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 12:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > BNP not only negotiated with the government but also > > surrendered to the government. > > > > Meeting of BNP and Jamaat leaders, Delwar, Mojahid and > > Khaleda, > > > > in the jail > > > > Proves negotiation of BNP with the government > > > > And > > > > By withdrawing Tarique from the party post, > > > > Khaleda admitted that his son was guilty and > > > > It proves BNP's surrender to the government, > > > > > > "She (Khaleda) should apologise to the people for > > creating five birthdays in her life and making one on the > > day of assassination of Bangabandhu, " > > > > > > -- > > "Sustha thakon, nirapade thakon ebong valo > > thakon" > > > > Shuvechhante, > > > > Shafiqur Rahman Bhuiyan (ANU) > > NEW ZEALAND. > > > > Phone: 00-64-9-828 2435 (Res), 00-64-0274 500 277 > > (mobile) > > E-mail: srbanunz@... > > > > N.B.: If any one is offended by content of this e-mail, > > please ignore & delete this e-mail. I also request you > > to inform me by an e- mail - to delete your name from my > > contact list. >
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"....we demand exemplary punishment of Mina." -- How people can be so rude? She lost her son. She must be grieving so much, she is a human being regardless of her religious orientation, she must be devastated loosing her child. For any human being, loosing a child is the most extreme loss of life and s/he becomes extremely measurable mentally, physically, and psychologically. The people who are shouting with hatred to punish her more, such as the one in quotation above, can no way be equated with human being! We have all sympathy for her to cope up with this extreme loss and measurable condition. I have no idea what type of good human those complainers are, but one thing I know, they are extreme hate mongers. Let's not listen to those disturbing elements. What she did is after all an extreme personal matter. Everybody has the right to decide on what s/he will follow in the life. No one has the right to impose anything on the other individuals,on no religious, no political, and no personal matters. I do not think she broke any laws of the country. So, why she should be punished? For what? Under what jurisdiction these people are calling for punishment? Did she buy into the tenats of those people who are offending her? It does not appear so. Then what is their right to disturb her in her such a measurable situation? I do not know when these unfortunate happenings will stop! Only God knows.
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com From: mashuque@pacbell.net Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:14:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups
I followed the sad news and agree with Mr. Raheem to treat this as a family matter (which it is). The family must be going through a very difficult period of time in their life, we as fellow Bangladeshi should try to help them in their time of need instead of making it any more difficult.
- mashuque
----- Original Message ---- From: Raheem M. <raheemm1@yahoo.com> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:35:19 AM Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups
Dear Mr. Aminul Islam,
I am aware of this tragic incidence in New York. It is further saddening that as a parent, she might have made a decision that seems contrary to her sons' wishes. But this is a family matter and as a mother/father, they have a greater right to decide these things. It is unfortunate but it is the way it is. I am sure this must have been a complicated and difficult decision for Mina Fara and her husband. We may not even know the entire story.
Protesting will not bring the departed back and nor can it reverse the funeral arrangements. Rather, let us give the parents an opportunity to grieve and not politicize this tragic matter.
- Raheem New York
--- On Mon, 9/15/08, Md. Aminul Islam <aminul_islam_ raj@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Md. Aminul Islam <aminul_islam_ raj@yahoo. com> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups To: Amra-Bangladesi@ yahoogroups. com, alochona@yahoogroup s.com, sonarbangladesh@ yahoogroups. com, WideMinds@yahoogrou ps.com, notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com, banglarnari@ yahoogroups. com, dahuk@yahoogroups. com, khabor@yahoogroups. com, chottala@yahoogroup s.com, vinnomot@yahoogroup s.com, notunbangladesh@ yahoogroups. com, faruquealamgir@ yahoo.com, ayubi_s786@yahoo. com, javediqbalkaleem@ yahoo.com, dreamer_hillol@ yahoo.com, chena_kew@yahoo. com, bdmailer@gmail. com, diagnose@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 5:23 AM
Dear all,
May be you all are shocked at the sad news that a Muslim youth was died in a accident in USA. His mother so called controversial writer Mina fara oppose his funeral in Muslim rituals and finally burnt him.He was a pious Muslim. He attended a ifter mahfil on that day.
Dear susil sujon secular groups why dont you protest the inhuman anti muslim act?
Then your secularism means opposition of islam?
we demand exemplary punishment of Mina.
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I agree with Cyrus bhai - the priorities of many Bangladeshi Muslims are misguided. Most Bangladeshi run mosques in NYC are extremely short sighted and fail to perform many activites that they should. In my estimation there are 50 Bangladeshi run mosques but I have found only one Islamic org (ICNA) that tries to address social problems in the community such as domestic abuse, family counselling, rape, sexual molestation, etc.
Instead of focusing on Mina Farah, we should be addressing the multitude of hypocrisy and wrongs done within the community - these are far more needed and relevant.
Mr. Chowdhury, I beg to differ with you that what I wrote, or the postings of Mr. Raheem and Ratri, were illogical in any way. No rule of law says that you cannot cremate your children or yourself. Just because the young man has been a following the Islamic path, doesn't mean you know his wishes or the family's wishes. No, it is not "clearly has provided his wishes before he died by various activities"!! You are assuming that you know and attempting to interpret in an illogical way. All I am saying is, don't assume such things and leave her private matters to her and her family. I am not sure what has being a Hindu or Muslim or of any faith has anything to do with her privacy.
You know, I have one theory...and this is only a theory. The most Bengali mosques in NYC are run by ultra-conservative, orthodox mullahs who have never liked Mina Farah and the liberals who expose them. (remember the child molestation incident at the mosque?) So, my theory says that when Dr. Farah's son passed away, these imams and mollahs refused his last prayer. As far as I know Dr. Farah, she is not the kind who would take a beating lying down (and which is precisely I respect her tenacity). I won't be surprised if Dr. Farah then turned to her former religion and decide to cremate his son. I know she hates those mollahs who, for the longest period, have said everything between heaven and earth about her and her family. If it was my son, and the only option I had was these pedophile, sexist, mollahs, I wouldn't want my son's last ritual to be run by these people.
This is not a "human rights" question. The point is, what she is did is her problem, and not yours or mine or anyone elses. It is not a national crisis, as everyone is making it sound like. Where is the outrage when someone beats up his wife and leaves her for dead? Where is the outrage when Hindu temples are burned down, and their families are beaten up? Where does your "human rights" sentiment go when aboriginal Bangladeshis are systematically discriminated against?
Really...people need to get their priorities straight!!
----- Original Message ---- From: Chowdhury Hossain Khan <chowdhuryhkhan@yahoo.com> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 1:53:26 AM Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups
Hi Cyrus, you are telling very ilogical way. You are obeying laws, rules & regulations of the society where you are living. Isn't true? The boy has clearly proved his wishes before his died by various activities. No one, even his parent has no right to alter his wishes. Mina Farah is an extrimist Hindu in the name of a Muslim had done crime against her son's will, so she must be punished.
Thank you for your better understadnig.
Chowdhury Hossain Khan
--- On Mon, 9/15/08, Cyrus <thoughtocrat@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Cyrus <thoughtocrat@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 5:22 PM
Mr. Aminul Islam....no one cares if you demand exemplary punishment of Mina Farah. We demand exemplary punishment of those who advocate for throwing stones at women, burn down temples, rape and ravage women of other faith, discriminate against anyone who doesn't subscribe their way. How about we start there? Please, don't even try to tell me that this is what Islam preaches. I know enough about Islam to know that IT IS the most secular of all religions, and hatred has no place in it.
Mina Farah, an exemplary and accomplished businesswoman and a tremendous writer, decided what she felt was the right thing to do for her family. If she did wrong, she is accountable to God, and not you. You, Sir, should worry about your family and how you will be burried, and not interfere into her decision.
Cyrus
----- Original Message ---- From: Md. Aminul Islam <aminul_islam_ raj@yahoo. com> To: Amra-Bangladesi@ yahoogroups. com; alochona@yahoogroup s.com; sonarbangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; WideMinds@yahoogrou ps.com; notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; banglarnari@ yahoogroups. com; dahuk@yahoogroups. com; khabor@yahoogroups. com; chottala@yahoogroup s.com; vinnomot@yahoogroup s.com; notunbangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; faruquealamgir@ yahoo.com; ayubi_s786@yahoo. com; javediqbalkaleem@ yahoo.com; dreamer_hillol@ yahoo.com; chena_kew@yahoo. com; bdmailer@gmail. com; diagnose@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:23:17 AM Subject: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups
Dear all,
May be you all are shocked at the sad news that a Muslim youth was died in a accident in USA. His mother so called controversial writer Mina fara oppose his funeral in Muslim rituals and finally burnt him.He was a pious Muslim. He attended a ifter mahfil on that day.
Dear susil sujon secular groups why dont you protest the inhuman anti muslim act?
Then your secularism means opposition of islam?
we demand exemplary punishment of Mina.
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To a Muslim, taking care of their dead is a big deal, a collective duty and an obligation (Fard). Taking care means: an Islamic burial.
No one can force an individual not to choose to be burnt. But when it comes to a dead individual the responsibility is on the shoulder of the community. To a believer, the family is the believing community and not the non-believing biological family.
How to prevent this extremely tragic thing to happen in the future and implement this essential requirement? If one has non-believing spouse, have not raised believing children or does not mix with the local Muslim community then he/she must make a 'will' and spell it outclearly the need to be buried according to the Islamic Law. The US law will protect the rights of the dead and override the whims of the biological family.
Question to the respective community: How could they let this happen?
Aziz Huq
9/16/08
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com From: mashuque@pacbell.net Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:14:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups
I followed the sad news and agree with Mr. Raheem to treat this as a family matter (which it is). The family must be going through a very difficult period of time in their life, we as fellow Bangladeshi should try to help them in their time of need instead of making it any more difficult.
- mashuque
----- Original Message ---- From: Raheem M. <raheemm1@yahoo.com> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:35:19 AM Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups
Dear Mr. Aminul Islam,
I am aware of this tragic incidence in New York. It is further saddening that as a parent, she might have made a decision that seems contrary to her sons' wishes. But this is a family matter and as a mother/father, they have a greater right to decide these things. It is unfortunate but it is the way it is. I am sure this must have been a complicated and difficult decision for Mina Fara and her husband. We may not even know the entire story.
Protesting will not bring the departed back and nor can it reverse the funeral arrangements. Rather, let us give the parents an opportunity to grieve and not politicize this tragic matter.
- Raheem New York
--- On Mon, 9/15/08, Md. Aminul Islam <aminul_islam_ raj@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Md. Aminul Islam <aminul_islam_ raj@yahoo. com> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Mina Farah burnt his muslim rojader son insted of burried , a humble question to "sushil'n HR groups To: Amra-Bangladesi@ yahoogroups. com, alochona@yahoogroup s.com, sonarbangladesh@ yahoogroups. com, WideMinds@yahoogrou ps.com, notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com, banglarnari@ yahoogroups. com, dahuk@yahoogroups. com, khabor@yahoogroups. com, chottala@yahoogroup s.com, vinnomot@yahoogroup s.com, notunbangladesh@ yahoogroups. com, faruquealamgir@ yahoo.com, ayubi_s786@yahoo. com, javediqbalkaleem@ yahoo.com, dreamer_hillol@ yahoo.com, chena_kew@yahoo. com, bdmailer@gmail. com, diagnose@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 5:23 AM
Dear all,
May be you all are shocked at the sad news that a Muslim youth was died in a accident in USA. His mother so called controversial writer Mina fara oppose his funeral in Muslim rituals and finally burnt him.He was a pious Muslim. He attended a ifter mahfil on that day.
Dear susil sujon secular groups why dont you protest the inhuman anti muslim act?
Then your secularism means opposition of islam?
we demand exemplary punishment of Mina.
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