Harun, When I respond to your comments, I feel like talking to you at the Curzon Hall campus. In my dreams, I see Shafiq, my best friend (no offense to you!). Let me tell you, from the bottom of my heart, I despise the fact that religions do exist. Let me tell you why. Religions have erected invisible insurmountable walls among us. You tell me, why we have to be friends only, not relatives? What's separating us? It's the religion. I know you believe in God; you will agree with me that we all come from the same God. If that is true then why religion will separate us? I do not believe that God wanted it to be this way. If we are all God's children, then He will never erect walls around us by sending multiple religions. There is something inherently wrong in the concept of multiple religions on earth, from the same God, for the same human-race. I know everybody believes that his/her religion is the right one. For the sake of this discussion, let's accept that one of these religions is the right one. Now, which one is that? We can perhaps test that by examining how a religion treats its non-believers. Because, God will never send a religion that will be unkind to His other children. None of the contemporary religions will pass this test. As a result, God-send religion theory does not fly. On September 11, 1893, Swami Vivekananda proposed a universal religion of humanity in his speech in the Parliament of Religions at Chicago. He said: 'If there is ever to be a universal religion, it must be one which will have no location in place or time; which will be infinite, like the God it will preach….It will be a religion which will have no place for persecution or intolerance in its polity, which will recognize divinity in every man and woman, and whose whole scope, whose whole force, will be centered in aiding humanity to realize its own true, divine nature….. Unfortunately, Swami did not live long enough to preach and materialize his religion, and it never came in more than 100 years. Why it did not come? It did not come, because there is vested interest in every religion, which will not be served if Swami's universal religion materializes. My view is that religions are simply live-styles, proposed by some propagators. As a result, religions are influenced by the local customs and practices of the region of its origin. From the very beginning, a religion has always been used as a tool to organize masses, and has been exploited for commercial and political purposes. Propagators of all such religions can be compared with Hindu-Gurus, who have their disciples, and followers. All Gurus reveal to their followers that they are the link between God and the followers. Each of these Gurus forms his/her own sect. I do not believe, there is a middleman between me and the God. Also, I do not see the need to recite the prayer in a language that I do not understand. I believe, God has no mother-tongue, and He does not need our prayers, our admiration, and our adoration. All that He wants is good deeds from us. He must be angry when people admire Him, praise Him, and then go on committing horrendous crimes. He must be very happy when we do good deeds, just like our parents would. We can learn what God expects from us simply by understanding our parent's expectations from us. Now, lets review some of your comments: "I was seriously disturbed by the reaction to Maulana Wahiduddin Khan's article by some in this forum who seemed to focus on whether Islam was a "peaceful religion" or not, and what the "real" character of Islam was. They were completely oblivious to, and even contemptuous of, the intent of the Maulana, which was to marginalize the "Jihadist" fringe in Islam and empower those who believe in a more humane and inclusive Islam." JR reply: When we follow a particular religion, inclusiveness goes out of the window. If you belong to a religion, it will be hard for you to be unbiased, no matter how hard you try. With the advent of the Internet, we all have become Hafez (i.e., expert in Quran). There are so many verses in Quran that are indefensible. So, propagandists will have hard time to sell anything now-a-days without refutation. I came across a manifesto of the Islamic Jihad, by the President of Bosnia. Now, let's think about Bosnia, a Muslim majority country, liberated from a Christian majority country by USA and other European nations (NATO). Soon after the liberation, the very first president of that country did not waste any time to write a step-by-step guide for Islamic Jihad in other parts of the world, where Muslims are minority. In that manual, one of the instructions for the fellow Muslims of those countries was that: Be tolerant of others and follow secular ideals until you are strong enough to take over the power. So, before we embrace Moulana Wahiduddin and Yogi Sikand with our open arms, let's make sure that they are not following the same manifesto. That's all. Harun Said: "Finally, I want to add that I myself also went through a spell of disbelief and rebellion in my younger days (it started when I was a physics student with you at Dhaka University ) and through the tortuous journey of life, came back to religion. " JR Reply: Are you telling me that Obama is right for the first time, for a change, when he said: People cling to guns and religion, when they are desperate. Do you own gun also? Just kidding! Regards, Jiten Roy
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I am not an apologist for jamaat. I have gone thru 71 war of Independence and seen the horror of war. It only shows the power of twisted thinking. But we have to think about Bangladesh above all. There is no value for party,people and leaders if people of Bangladesh is going to take the brunt of our decisions or indecisiveness. This is a time to include all, including our past enemy. I know lot of people don't hear about it. Lot people trying to create division among us. We don't want to get into situation like Bangladesi killing Bangladeshi or Muslims killing Muslims again. Making peace is difficult with all the baggage we carry, but we have no choice. Thanks.
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From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Jamaat recognises Liberation War
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 1:48 PM
Not a word of this hoax should be taken seriously. We cannot afford to be hoodwinked by Jamaat for crying out loud. What big deal is this? What does this business of Jamaat "recognizing" our glorious Liberation War mean or what is it all about? Why should we care whether they do or not? They have been co-optig the sovereignty of Bangladesh in so many ways, and this gesture is the latest stunt. Though I am seething in anger, I have not lost my noodles. In fact, I have been thinking very hard lately. I realized that we had fought and succeeded in defeating the Pakistani Military apparatus in 1971. But we neither fought nor 'defeated' the murderous Bangali Islamist Jamaat. Let me quickly jot down a few points. First of all, Jammat should not be allowed to contest in any election as a political party. They are NOT a political party. They stand for a political propaganda designed shrewdly to undermine the State, the sovereignty of Bangladesh; and their long term goal is to gobble it as a principality of their far-fetched dream of an Empire. They were asked by the EC to scrap "Allahu aquimuddin" from their charter. They may comply under pressure. So what? Should we comfortably believe that they will stop their agenda around the credo of "Allah is the establisher of the Nation of Religion?" Of course not. The whole thing is totally farcical. That credo or pretense allows them to break all law and order of the land deeming them to be merely "man made." Their illegal actions are only answerable to Allah. And they want to contest the election to become lawmakers! This BS in the name of Islam has nothing to do with being genuinely religious. It is pure politics. They are riding on the wave of another notion that has become popular in the West but, beneath the surface, utterly meaningless and misleading. That is the notion of "religious extremism." Please friends! Think about it. There is no such thing as "religious extremism." All manner of actions and activities that are labeled as such are political in nature from the beginning of civilization. Therefore, it irks me to no end when Jamaat calls attention to themselves as "moderate" Islamists. Let me stop here -- though I have much more to say. This is just to encourage all and sundry to do their own re-thinking. Thanks, but no thanks. There is nothing to rejoice about Jamaat changing its charter, no way, no how. Banish the whole damn propaganda. We have not finished the mukti-juddho until Jamaat is wiped out of this land. -- Farida Majid
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Jamaat recognises Liberation War | Jamaat recognises Liberation War
Makes major changes in constitution for registration; allows non-Muslims to be members but puts onus of protecting independence only on them Courtesy Daily Star 21/10/09 Shakhawat Liton and Rashidul Hasan Finally, anti-liberation Jamaat-e-Islami has recognised the historic Liberation War of Bangladesh in its newly revised constitution.
The change of policy was forced upon it by its desperation to keep itself legitimised as a parliamentary party registered with the Election Commission (EC), in the face of new amendments to the Representation of the People Order (RPO).
The amended RPO says the constitution of a political party seeking registration cannot contradict the country's constitution.
Jamaat's provisional constitution which was submitted to the EC for getting registered as a parliamentary party, also renamed the organisation Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami, changing its earlier name Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh.
Jamaat also dropped a symbol with the words 'Allahu' and 'Aqimuddin' in Arabic from the cover of its provisional constitution.
The party adopted its constitution in 1979.
Its also allows non-Muslims to be members of Jamaat, but puts the responsibility of protecting the country's independence and sovereignty by taking an oath only on them, while the Muslim members are exempted from taking that oath.
"I shall actively play a role in defending the independence and sovereignty of Bangladesh," reads a section of the oath scheduled for non-Muslim members, whose inclusion was prompted by the party's latest necessity for removing religious and gender discriminations within the organisation.
According to Jamaat's interim constitution which will be ratified by a national council within six months of the first sitting of the next parliament, as promised by it, both Muslim and non-Muslim members however must swear to abide by the rules and decisions of the party, giving the highest priority to implementing the decisions.
Among other fundamental beliefs and spirits, Jamaat also accepted the spirit of the heroic liberation war of 1971 by inserting a new paragraph into the preamble of its new provisional constitution.
The heroic struggle of the people and freedom fighters that liberated Bangladesh and put it on the world map as an independent country has been mentioned as a part of the fundamental beliefs and spirits of the party.
Submitting the application for registration and the provisional constitution to the EC for being qualified to contest in the upcoming parliamentary election, Mohammad Kamaruzzaman, assistant secretary general of Jamaat, said his party has been in politics since May, 1979 by accepting the creation of Bangladesh through the liberation war.
Jamaat was constitutionally banned for years in the newly independent country for its anti-liberation activities and collaboration with the invading army in 1971.
Many Jamaat leaders were facing charges of war crimes and some of them were on the run.
But the party was allowed to resume its activities in 1979 as the constitutional ban on forming religion based political parties was repealed after the bloody regime change of August 15, 1975.
Lately, Jamaat's survival was facing difficulties again as the revised RPO made political parties' registration with the EC mandatory for contesting in the parliamentary election.
The strict new provisions forced the party to change the preamble to its constitution accepting the historic liberation war as its original constitution contradicted the Constitution of Bangladesh.
Jamaat, traditionally an Islamist fundamentalist party, in its revised constitution replaced the phrase describing its goal of 'establishing the rule of Allah' with a new phrase of 'establishing a fair and just Islamic society'.
The party included a new section in its constitution' s preamble that says, "Jamaat-e-Islami will work to establish an Islamic social system that guarantees justice for all, since Bangladesh emerged as the third largest Muslim country through a heroic battle of the people and freedom fighters."
According to its interim constitution, Jamaat also co-opted the members of its women's majlish-e-sura into the central majlish-e-sura, the highest policy making body.
It also added provisions for reserving 33 percent seats for women in all its committees with a promise to achieve the target by 2020.
In line with the amended RPO, the new Jamaat constitution also promises to nominate parliamentary contenders from a panel created by the grassroots level committees and forwarded to the party's parliamentary board.
About severing its ties with front organisations, Jamaat Assistant Secretary General Muhammad Kamaruzzaman who yesterday went to apply for the party's registration, said Jamaat has no front organisation.
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A burning issue, no doubt in these days of financial collapse, imperial predations and War!
No doubt we are staying up alnight worrying about Tomboys!!!!!
Islamic clerics in Malaysia rule to ban tomboys
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KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia -- Malaysia's main body of Islamic clerics has issued an edict banning tomboys in the Muslim-majority country, ruling that girls who act like boys violate the tenets of Islam, an official said Friday.
The National Fatwa Council forbade the practice of girls behaving or dressing like boys during a meeting Thursday in northern Malaysia, said Harussani Idris Zakaria, the mufti of northern Perak state, who attended the gathering. Harussani said an increasing number of Malaysian girls behave like tomboys, and that some of them engage in homosexuality. Homosexuality is not explicitly banned in Malaysia, but it is effectively illegal under a law that prohibits sex acts "against the order of nature." Harussani said the council's ruling was not legally binding because it has not been passed into law, but that tomboys should be banned because their actions are immoral. "It doesn't matter if it's a law or not. When it's wrong, it's wrong. It is a sin," Harussani told The Associated Press. "Tomboy (behavior) is forbidden in Islam." Under the edict, girls are forbidden to sport short hair and dress, walk and act like boys, Harussani said. Boys should also not act like girls, he said. "They must respect God. God created them as boys, they must behave like boys. God created them as girls, they must act like girls," he said. Council chairman Abdul Shukor Husin said the ruling was prompted by recent cases of young women behaving like men and indulging in homosexuality, according to the national news agency Bernama. He did not elaborate. Malaysian media have reported on recent incidents of school bullying among girls, which have been caught on film and circulated on the Internet. In one film, some girls are seen beating up another girl in a bathroom. A well-known Malaysian Muslim actress caused an uproar last year when she shaved her head bald for a film. Harussani and other muftis urged Muslims not to watch the movie, arguing that the actress had violated Islam by making herself look like a man. "Muallaf," or "the convert," is scheduled for release in Singapore next month, but no date has been set for its release in Malaysia. Muslims make up some 60 percent of Malaysia's 27 million people, and are subject to Islamic laws and the council's edicts, even if the rulings have not been enshrined in national or Shariah law. It was not immediately clear what kind of punishment awaited those who violate the tomboy edict, or "fatwa." Malays generally follow the council's "fatwas" out of deference, but violators rarely get into trouble unless the edict is incorporated into national or Shariah law.
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Dear Alochoks:
Jamaat E Islami is a declared political party in Bangladesh. Correct me if I am wrong. How can a political organization exist in a country legally without accepting the most important thing: recognizing the very thing that caused the birth of a nation?
Does that make their existence thus far null and void? I wonder if they have been around for so many years without accepting the Liberation war can they be declared as treasonous?
Some questions to think about.
Zeenat Syed
Atlanta, GA
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To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 1:48 pm
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Jamaat recognises Liberation War
Not a word of this hoax should be taken seriously. We cannot afford to be hoodwinked by Jamaat for crying out loud. What big deal is this? What does this business of Jamaat "recognizing" our glorious Liberation War mean or what is it all about? Why should we care whether they do or not? They have been co-optig the sovereignty of Bangladesh in so many ways, and this gesture is the latest stunt. Though I am seething in anger, I have not lost my noodles. In fact, I have been thinking very hard lately. I realized that we had fought and succeeded in defeating the Pakistani Military apparatus in 1971. But we neither fought nor 'defeated' the murderous Bangali Islamist Jamaat. Let me quickly jot down a few points. First of all, Jammat should not be allowed to contest in any election as a political party. They are NOT a political party. They stand for a political propaganda designed shrewdly to undermine the State, the sovereignty of Bangladesh; and their long term goal is to gobble it as a principality of their far-fetched dream of an Empire. They were asked by the EC to scrap "Allahu aquimuddin" from their charter. They may comply under pressure. So what? Should we comfortably believe that they will stop their agenda around the credo of "Allah is the establisher of the Nation of Religion?" Of course not. The whole thing is totally farcical. That credo or pretense allows them to break all law and order of the land deeming them to be merely "man made." Their illegal actions are only answerable to Allah. And they want to contest the election to become lawmakers! This BS in the name of Islam has nothing to do with being genuinely religious. It is pure politics. They are riding on the wave of another notion that has become popular in the West but, beneath the surface, utterly meaningless and misleading. That is the notion of "religious extremism." Please friends! Think about it. There is no such thing as "religious extremism." All manner of actions and activities that are labeled as such are political in nature from the beginning of civilization. Therefore, it irks me to no end when Jamaat calls attention to themselves as "moderate" Islamists. Let me stop here -- though I have much more to say. This is just to encourage all and sundry to do their own re-thinking. Thanks, but no thanks. There is nothing to rejoice about Jamaat changing its charter, no way, no how. Banish the whole damn propaganda. We have not finished the mukti-juddho until Jamaat is wiped out of this land. -- Farida Majid
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Jamaat recognises Liberation War Jamaat recognises Liberation War Makes major changes in constitution for registration; allows non-Muslims to be members but puts onus of protecting independence only on them Courtesy Daily Star 21/10/09 Shakhawat Liton and Rashidul Hasan Finally, anti-liberation Jamaat-e-Islami has recognised the historic Liberation War of Bangladesh in its newly revised constitution.
The change of policy was forced upon it by its desperation to keep itself legitimised as a parliamentary party registered with the Election Commission (EC), in the face of new amendments to the Representation of the People Order (RPO).
The amended RPO says the constitution of a political party seeking registration cannot contradict the country's constitution.
Jamaat's provisional constitution which was submitted to the EC for getting registered as a parliamentary party, also renamed the organisation Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami, changing its earlier name Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh.
Jamaat also dropped a symbol with the words 'Allahu' and 'Aqimuddin' in Arabic from the cover of its provisional constitution.
The party adopted its constitution in 1979.
Its also allows non-Muslims to be members of Jamaat, but puts the responsibility of protecting the country's independence and sovereignty by taking an oath only on them, while the Muslim members are exempted from taking that oath.
"I shall actively play a role in defending the independence and sovereignty of Bangladesh," reads a section of the oath scheduled for non-Muslim members, whose inclusion was prompted by the party's latest necessity for removing religious and gender discriminations within the organisation.
According to Jamaat's interim constitution which will be ratified by a national council within six months of the first sitting of the next parliament, as promised by it, both Muslim and non-Muslim members however must swear to abide by the rules and decisions of the party, giving the highest priority to implementing the decisions.
Among other fundamental beliefs and spirits, Jamaat also accepted the spirit of the heroic liberation war of 1971 by inserting a new paragraph into the preamble of its new provisional constitution.
The heroic struggle of the people and freedom fighters that liberated Bangladesh and put it on the world map as an independent country has been mentioned as a part of the fundamental beliefs and spirits of the party.
Submitting the application for registration and the provisional constitution to the EC for being qualified to contest in the upcoming parliamentary election, Mohammad Kamaruzzaman, assistant secretary general of Jamaat, said his party has been in politics since May, 1979 by accepting the creation of Bangladesh through the liberation war.
Jamaat was constitutionally banned for years in the newly independent country for its anti-liberation activities and collaboration with the invading army in 1971.
Many Jamaat leaders were facing charges of war crimes and some of them were on the run.
But the party was allowed to resume its activities in 1979 as the constitutional ban on forming religion based political parties was repealed after the bloody regime change of August 15, 1975.
Lately, Jamaat's survival was facing difficulties again as the revised RPO made political parties' registration with the EC mandatory for contesting in the parliamentary election.
The strict new provisions forced the party to change the preamble to its constitution accepting the historic liberation war as its original constitution contradicted the Constitution of Bangladesh.
Jamaat, traditionally an Islamist fundamentalist party, in its revised constitution replaced the phrase describing its goal of 'establishing the rule of Allah' with a new phrase of 'establishing a fair and just Islamic society'.
The party included a new section in its constitution's preamble that says, "Jamaat-e-Islami will work to establish an Islamic social system that guarantees justice for all, since Bangladesh emerged as the third largest Muslim country through a heroic battle of the peo ple and freedom fighters."
According to its interim constitution, Jamaat also co-opted the members of its women's majlish-e-sura into the central majlish-e-sura, the highest policy making body.
It also added provisions for reserving 33 percent seats for women in all its committees with a promise to achieve the target by 2020.
In line with the amended RPO, the new Jamaat constitution also promises to nominate parliamentary contenders from a panel created by the grassroots level committees and forwarded to the party's parliamentary board.
About severing its ties with front organisations, Jamaat Assistant Secretary General Muhammad Kamaruzzaman who yesterday went to apply for the party's registration, said Jamaat has no front organisation.
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