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Re: [ALOCHONA] Saudi Cleric lectures Muslim men on how to discipline their wives:

Firstly the bloggers of this piece always does it out of their hatred, neglect and obscure feelings towards this religion.

If you consider yourself as Muslim you must testify the fundamentals of this belief. I would assume you fairly know all of those fundamentals. One of this is believing in Quran, authored by the supreme power and the creators.

Being a Muslim you can not doubt its contents but you can always ask for clarifications and acquire more knowledge on the subject for better understanding. I can understand many of you (sometime that includes myself) getting sway by the popular propaganda or historical utterances on many issues including the 'woman' issue in Islam. Before I make my clarification with my humble knowledge let me mention that tens of thousand of woman becoming Muslims in America. Hispanic, native, other European origin background every year; why mostly woman!

 

You were naïve(?) enough to attach the translation, reading it did not produce much in support of your antagonism. 'Beating with a tooth pick, do not leave a scare, do not use the face' and so on. While the verse in Sura Nisa mainly interpreted as 'you can smack your wife'. A lady in America (the first lady translator of Quran) interpreted it different way, you should always look for authentic interpretations and Quran is open for interpretations and by any knowledgeable person.

 

Omar Ibn Khattab found out that woman from Medina answers back to their husband, unlike woman from Makkah, he went to Hafsa his daughter (Prophet's wife) do you answer back to prophet ?, to his surprise she even said we often boycott Him (PBUH) from morning till night'. He rushed to Prophet and asked the question, prophet (PBUH) just smiled while he was seated on a mattress made of palm leaves that leave scars on body after sleep and Omar was shocked to see that the room has nothing but four walls only.

These woman from Medina took part in many battles and lead their family with their strong physic and personality, yet, maintained harmony in the family and society often with great contribution to mankind. Omar (the Amirul Muminin) ask her daughter (Hafsa) not to answer back to prophet and so on.

 

Prophet (PBUH) never beat any of His wives, he simply stayed away for a while and there are few hadiths that is so clear on the woman rights and respect not in the family but in the society as well. Islam allowed and showed the way how a woman can divorce her husband when todays American constitution or British rules were not in making.

 If you disagree with any of these, no one would run after you, if you still think Islam is bad for woman, you may think so, but as a human being do not try to preach hatred without researching through the scriptural details and prophetic traditions. Primarily you should weigh the option how to better the human lives irrespective of their belief. I have wife and two daughters, I am proud to think how my religion sanctioned them dignity and values. Millions of woman back home are in dire need to rescue their families and upbring their children. Their downgrade and despair not sourcing from their religion, it is politics, the bad and cruel politics, Being a woman I would urge you to think of them, how, you can be to their side, rather try to lead them, but before, you need to take off the hat of hatred. Saudis have their own problems but that can not be related with Islam and its egalitarian values.

--- On Thu, 6/11/08, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Saudi Cleric lectures Muslim men on how to discipline their wives:
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 6 November, 2008, 2:46 AM

If no reform in Islam takes place, our coming generation in the Western countries would start feeling ashamed of being Moslim.

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Farida Majid <farida_majid@ hotmail.com> wrote:

    Yet another violation of rights of women due to ignorance of the very precepts of the Holy Qur'an that attempt to restore women their rights as Allah's 'best creation'.
     It comes from the Land of Jahiliya, otherwise known as the KINGDOM of Saudi Arabia.
     Mired in jahiliya they cannot even sense the unintended humor!
 
[Consider this: In the rest of the world, it is people who are named after the name of the land of their origin (or 'asli' in Arbi) -- thus people from Germany are called Germans, people from China are called Chinese, people from Bengal or Bangla are called Bengali or Bangali, etc. Where in the modern world is a country that is named after the personal name of a family?]
 
             Farida Majid




Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:29:59 -0400
Subject: "Beat her like a Lady" :: Saudi Cleric lectures Muslim men on how to discipline their wives:


Saudi Cleric lectures Muslim young men on how to beat their wives

BEAT HER  LIKE A LADY

From a television program aired last year in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait during which cleric Muhammad al-'Arifi advised young men on how to discipline their wives. 


Translated from the Arabic by the Washington-based Middle East Media Research Institute.

http://www.memritv. org/clip/ en/1594.htm

 

"Men beat women more often than women beat men. Allah created women delicate, fragile, supple, and soft because they use their emotions more than they use their bodies. While a man may use beating to discipline his wife, she sometimes uses her tears to discipline him. For men, women's emotions may be fiercer than the strike of a sword.

 

"Before you beat a woman, first admonish her—once, twice, three times, four times, or ten. If this doesn't help, you must turn to the teaching "refuse to share their beds." Thus, a husband distances himself from his wife in bed and in conversation. If a husband comes to eat a meal and his wife asks him, "How are you? Do you want anything?" he must not answer. The husband should not sleep with his wife. He should sleep in another room.

 

"If this does not help, then the husband's third option is to beat his wife lightly so it will not leave a mark. He must not make her face ugly. Beating in the face is forbidden. Even if you want your camel or donkey to walk faster, you are not allowed to beat it in the face. If this is true for animals, it is all the more true for humans. If a man is angry with his wife—if he says to her, "Watch out, the child has fallen next to the stove," and she says, "I'm busy"—then the husband should beat his wife with a toothpick or something like it. He should not beat her with a bottle of water, a plate, or a knife. Notice how gentle the toothpick used for beating is—this shows you that the purpose is not to inflict pain. When you beat an animal, you intend to cause it pain so that it will obey you, because a camel would not understand if you said, "Camel, come on, start moving." A donkey understands nothing but beatings, but to a wife, a light beating conveys,  "Woman, you have gone too far."

 

"A husband should not beat his wife like he would a child, slapping it right and left. Unfortunately, many husbands beat their wives only when they get angry, and when they start the beating, they use both hands and sometimes their feet, as if they are punching a wall. Remember, brother, this is forbidden; your wife is a human being.





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[mukto-mona] Is Barack Obama Black? A Response

Is Barack Obama Black? A response

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[ALOCHONA] Bangladesh :The nice side of democracy

Bangladesh : The nice side of democracy

 

Nov 6th 2008 | DELHI   From The Economist print edition

 

Economist.com

Shame about the democrats

IN JANUARY 2007 Bangladesh's generals marched into the palace of President Iajuddin Ahmed and forced him to cancel elections, declare a state of emergency and appoint a government of technocrats. On November 3rd Mr Ahmed at last signed an order sending the army back to the barracks. The interim government also lifted restrictions on political campaigning and the press. Bangladesh's state of emergency—the longest any South Asian country has endured—seems to be petering out.
 
So firm are the commitments by the generals to hold parliamentary elections that a return to multiparty democracy appears a certainty. This week the Election Commission confirmed that a general election would be held on December 18th. This followed assurances by the army to the UN secretary-general, Ban Ki-moon, on a two-day visit to Dhaka, that this time it would not interfere.
 
The front-runners in the race to succeed a period of muddled rule by soldiers, spooks and technocrats are the heads of two feuding dynasties whose careers the army tried and failed to end: the former prime ministers Sheikh Hasina Wajed of the Awami League and Khaleda Zia of the Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP). The two women rotated in power for 15 years from 1991. Their mutual hatred and inability to negotiate played a big part in turning Bangladeshi politics into a prolonged cycle of violent retaliation.
Even so, the view of the army, Bangladesh's foreign aid donors and its voters is now that the "two begums" constitute the only offer on the table. The army tried to send them into exile, hoping new political parties would emerge; then it jailed them and their coteries on charges of corruption. In the end, they were freed on bail. It proved impossible both to hold them to account and to hold elections.
 
The League is confident it will win the vote. Greeted by large crowds, Sheikh Hasina came back to Bangladesh on November 6th, five months after being freed to receive medical treatment in America. The rival BNP is split and, much harder-hit by the anti-corruption drive, is in a shambles. As the League started its election campaign this week, the BNP was still debating whether to take part. Mrs Zia alleges that the Election Commission favours the League and should resign..
 
Meanwhile, the army appears to have resigned itself to Sheikh Hasina's becoming the next prime minister or, at least, contesting the elections. For her part, having narrowly escaped an attempt on her life in 2004, she may feel that only the army can protect her from her political rivals. The generals want their state of emergency legitimised, and immunity from prosecution. These are concessions the League is probably willing to make, if not to advertise.
 
The court cases against the two prime ministers have in effect been put on hold until the election. If the past is any guide, the next government will control the judiciary, so convictions will never happen. Observers believe that endless behind-the-scenes talks with the leaders, aimed at bringing their parties to the polls, are likely to have included guarantees by the two ladies not to put the losing rival in prison.
 
Yet, barring upsets, more than 80m Bangladeshis will next month be allowed to choose a government for the first time since 2001. And the election has a better chance of being credible than any since independence in 1971. The Election Commission has purged 12m surplus names from voter lists. The authorities claim the poll will be almost impossible to rig.
 
What Bangladeshis still do not know is whether the army's intervention has shocked the country's squabbling, petty politicians into a new approach. The world's seventh-most populous country needs a government devoted not to a perennial political vendetta, but to tackling poverty, climate change and terrorism.

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[ALOCHONA] Fw: New Political Scenario in Bangladesh

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New Political Scenario in Bangladesh : Election Should Be Held On Time

 

 

Sheikh Hasina has returned to Bangladesh after five months stay abroad on parole  for treatment of eye and ear. As usual in the case of such leaders, she was welcomed by a large number of  workers and supporters at the Airport main gate and several points on the way to her house.

 

As she did not get bail from the supreme court on the extortion case filed by Azam Chowdhury , the government submitted final report in the case to facilitate her free political work.The court has accepted the final report  which said that there was  no evidence  and this case is now over. It is strange that such cases are filed against such high personages only for political purpose.This is obviously true of some other cases against  Khaleda Zia , Matiur Rahman Nizami and some other ministers .Thers is no point in maintaining those cases now and the government should withdraw such cases.

With the arrival of Sheikh Hasina , registration of main parties  and declaration of election schedule , political situation has changed substantially. Awami League has demanded rescheduling of Upazilla election and the BNP led four party alliance have demanded re scheduling the entire schedule but none has demanded delaying Parliament election beyond 18th December.

 

We hope the government and election commission will  quickly resolve the impasse. BNP alliance has said that the government announced acceptance of six points out of seven but action has not been formally taken. This point requires to be sorted out.We urge all that we are so close to the election and we should not miss it..Lot of time has been fittered away.Election could have been held in January if AL alliance would not withdraw the nomination papers after submitting them, election could have been held even around  March 2007 or at the most around September 2007  by the present government  after correcting the previous voter list as had been done before. The abiding by the constitution was more important than voter list with photograph. It has been established in surveys that impersonation in polling  is about one percent only, the rigging takes place mainly  by capturing polling centers and sealing in the ballot paper, the photographed voter list can not solve this problem. That problem can be reduced only by security arrangement.But things  happened and un-elected government continued.Even then we urge all parties including BNP-Jamaat four party  alliance, AL led alliance, the government and others not to make small issues big, feel the responsibility to the people, nation and history.

 

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[ALOCHONA] Hard start for Bangledesh baby

Hard start for Bangledesh baby

Most women in Bangladesh give birth without the help of modern medicine. Cassie Farrell, producer and director of the BBC's Survival - A Healthy Start programme, followed the fortunes of one baby in the north-east of the country.
 
The baby Shomona just after birth
Baby Shomona went for five days without breast milk
In a small corrugated iron hut, a young woman, Morjina, is in labour. She squats next to her bed, groaning as women rush in and out. It is dark, smoky and forbidding. There is an air of panic.
 
The traditional birth attendant, known as a dhai, calls for garlic and burning chillies. She wants Morjina to retch, in a desperate attempt to strengthen her contractions.
Once the baby, a little girl, has arrived, the dhai starts pushing on Morjina's tummy, first with her hands, then with her feet. She was trying to deliver the placenta as quickly as possible.
 
This is the reality for more than 90% of women in Bangladesh, who give birth at home with little of no modern trained medical help. Most are accompanied by a dhai, whose knowledge and birth practices have been handed down to them little changed, through the generations. They bear little resemblance to midwives in the developed world. The dhai's have little or no medical back-up. If anything goes badly wrong during the birth, the mother probably won't survive.
 
Exhausted
A common problem, such as an obstructed labour will probably have to run its course and will almost certainly kill both mother and child. In the West that could be easily treated by an emergency Caesarean but that's much harder to come by here.
 
A haemorrhage can be a death sentence - which can happen if the dhai is too aggressive in trying to get the baby or placenta out.
The dhai pushes hair into the mother's mouth to make her retch
The dhai pushes hair into the mother's mouth to make her retch
In this case, the dhai, Musammat Sobura, started to force Morjina's hair down her throat, causing her to retch and sweat. Eventually the placenta came away and was buried next to her bed, deep in the mud floor.
 
Morjina, who had been forced to stay upright on her knees until this point, could now finally collapse on the floor, utterly exhausted. She was one of the lucky ones - she and her daughter, Shomona, had survived the most dangerous time in their lives.
 
One in 50 women in Bangladesh die in childbirth.
Surviving birth turned out to be just the first obstacle for little Shomona.
Minutes after she was born, the dhai shook the baby and dangled her by each of her limbs. Her limbs were then pulled sharply. The dhais believe this will make the child grow up to be tall and beautiful.
 
Then the dhai smeared mucous from the umbilical cord onto the baby's miniscule gums. The reason for this wasn't clear but apparently it was intended to ward off infection. Since the dhai hadn't washed her hands, it seemed to me that this could cause more problems than it solved.
Then it was time for a bath, outside in the courtyard, under the slow monsoon drizzle, followed by a good dousing in mustard oil.
 
After that the baby was wrapped up and taken inside - time for its first breast feed, I assumed. But I was wrong. Instead, she was fed on honey, again from the dhai's finger. All the bonding that is now prized so highly between mother and child in Western medicine was entirely bypassed.
 
Baby Shomona was making obvious sucking attempts but all she was getting was thin air. Surely it was now time for her first feed? But we were told that the "milk had not come in" and that Shomona would have to be fed on honey and cow's milk for at least three days.
 
Opposite
This was not an isolated case. During filming, we discovered that lots of new mothers and babies in the area were going through the same process.
Dhais, like traditional birth attendants in many parts of the developing world, don't think that colostrum - the mother's early milk - is good for babies. So they prevent mothers breast feeding during the first few days. This is the opposite of what is now widely taken to be good practice in the West. This early milk is full of crucial nutrients and antibodies that increase the baby's immunity.
 
The World Health Organisation recommends that breastfeeding should start within an hour, and that babies should continue being exclusively breast fed for the next six months.
 
The mother before birth
The mother was suspicious of hospitals
In a neighbouring village we filmed a child who had died after eight days without breast milk. It started to dawn on us that this wasn't uncommon. And in fact, around the world, three million children die each year because they are underweight. Lack of breast feeding plays a large part in this unnecessary toll.
 
We'd become close to Morjina and her little family and I wondered whether things could be different if we could persuade her to get to a doctor.
 
But the expensive journey to the nearest proper hospital, a two-hour journey by boat, wasn't the only thing that deterred her. She revealed a deep suspicion of hospital staff and modern medicine. She seemed to think that going to give birth in hospital would mean being operated on and being rendered "unable to eat or do anything", especially work.
 
Even the most motivated and well-meaning NGOs can find it hard to challenge these traditional beliefs, for fear of offending local cultures or being accused of being opposed to religious values. Worried for both Morjina and Shomona, we returned every day to see how things were going. After five days, Shomona still had not had any breast milk and was getting visibly weaker.
 
We decided to stop just being film-makers and intervene. We planned to take a doctor to see her - our film was starting to pale into insignificance alongside the human tragedy that was unfolding before our eyes. But to our relief, we returned the next day to find that Morjina had started feeding her baby daughter and all was well.
 
I thought back to the birth of my own children in the UK in a perfectly appointed labour suite surrounded by reassuring medical staff who probably could have saved me and my baby whatever happened. Many in the West assume that is a mother's right when, in fact, it is an incredible luxury afforded to the lucky few.
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7708316.stm

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[mukto-mona] RE: Scientists, Atheists, Fundamentalists



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Quote from Audrey:

[Fundamentalist atheists such as Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris do not
differ much from fundamentalist religionists. They all believe they
are right and the others are wrong.]

"Dear Audrey,
I am a bit taken aback by your labelling of Dawkins as
Fundamentalist(atheist). As an early member of MM you must have read the
plethora of messages and exchanges (many in which I participated besides
Avijit and many other freethinkers) which clarified the fallacy of this
mislabelling of rationalist views as fundamentalist. So its a bit
disappointing to see you still making this characterization after all this.
Let me try to clarfiy this issue here again."
 
..........   rest of the post deleted for brevity.
 
I agree with all the essential arguments made by Aparthib here.  It is indeed incorrect to call Dr. Dawkins, Mr. Hitchens, etc. fundamentalists just because they believe they are right and others are wrong. I also disagree with Dr. Audrey Manning for invoking a false symmetry between dogmatic religionists and firm atheists, and calling both groups of people fundamentalists.  I say this in spite of the fact that I myself believe in religion.  Let me explain why.
 
I am also a firm believer in semantic and cognitive clarity.   It is semantic confusion that causes a label to be expanded in meaning and distorted beyond recognition.  The term "fundamentalist" was originally coined to denote Biblical literalists.  Then, the term got expanded to mean any combination of the following: any dogmatic person, a fanatic, a bigot, an "extremist," a militant political group and finally, a terrorist.  Among these, dogmatism is closest in meaning to fundamentalism.
 
As Aparthib has correctly pointed out, holding one's own beliefs to be true and those of others to be false is not fundamentalist. Let me expand on this a little further.  If I hold opinion A on issue X, I have to necessarily believe that A is superior to competing or alternative beliefs B,C, etc. Otherwise, say if C was superior to A, I would have chosen C.  Therefore, the very choice of a belief A implies its acceptance and rejection of all others.  If beleiving one is right and others are wrong makes one a fundamentalist, then by the above line of reasoning, everybody holding an opinion or subscribing to a belief is a fundamentalist, which is obviously absurd. 
 
So, if an atheist firmly believes that there is no God and all believers in God are wrong, that by itself does not constitute fundamentalism.  Likewise, if a Christian believes firmly in God and believes that atheists are wrong, that by itself does not make her a fundamentalist. On this particular point, there is some symmetry between an atheist and a theist, and neither can be called a fundamentalist for just holding their respective beliefs to be right and competing beliefs to be wrong.
 
However, there is no symmetry between the two groups when it comes to dogmatism. A typical religious fundamentalist is necessarily dogmatic but a typical atheist is not.  One becomes an atheist after a thoughtful examination and rejection of whatever religious traditions one is born into, while a believer is usually so by birth and as a result of social conditioning.  Therefore, atheists, by their very nature, do not tend to be dogmatic while some or many believers can be dogmatic.  As Aparthib has pointed out, an atheist is open to changing her views based on new information while a dogmatic believer is not. Dogmatism is the primary criterion by which fundamentalism is defined.  So, religious fundamentalism is a legitimate term to characterize a certain group of believers and atheist fundamentalism is not.
 
None of the above should be construed as my support for atheism.  I personally believe in religion and reject atheism.  I also reject religious fundamentalism in any form. I just wanted to say that words should be correctly used, the nature of attitudes should be correctly understood and we should be careful about incorrectly invoking symmetry when it does not apply. 
 
There might be another perspective that Dr. Manning wanted to convey when she called Dawkins et al fundamentalists. Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens' espousal of atheism sometimes goes beyond mere affirmation of their ideals and rejection of religion.  It often takes on an air of hubris, scorn or contempt for believers, and this might have similarities with the attitudes of religious fundamentalists.  This still does not make those atheists fundamentalists but does make them appear intolerant and fanatic, and be perceived as "fundamentalists."  As to the role of science in all this, we should remember that what we are discussing is a philosophical issue, not a scientific one.  In the past, religion has made claims about the operation of the natural world and those have all been proven false by science.  Even now, some pseudo-science (such as intelligent design) tries to explain the material world according to the religious narrative, and it is wrong. Science is the correct tool to understand the natural world. Religion and philosophy (including non-religious philosophy) are the correct tools for navigating the realm of the moral and the spiritual. Religion should stay out of science and science should (and generally does) stay out of religion.  Please note that if my views above sound like the so-called separate majesteria theory, it is close to that but not quite identical. 
 
Dr. Manning is free to correct me if I made any error in characterizing her views.  The same goes for Aparthib. They, as well as others, are also free to offer critical comments on my views.
 
All comments are welcome.
 
Best wishes.
 
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[mukto-mona] Good read from Wall St Journal - Post Mortem on the Campaign

 

NOVEMBER 5, 2008

As Economic Crisis Peaked, Tide Turned Against McCain

By MONICA LANGLEY

Wall St Journal

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On Sept. 24, with financial markets verging on panic and the economy thudding, Democratic Sen. Barack Obama placed a call to rival John McCain. He wanted to suggest they issue a joint statement on proposed financial-bailout legislation. As hours went by without a return call, Obama aides emailed each other, asking, "Have you heard anything?" One answered: "The McCain camp is cooking up something."

 

Later that day, Sen. McCain went before the cameras to say he was suspending his campaign to focus on helping craft the legislation. "What does that mean -- suspend the campaign?" Sen. Obama asked his staff on the trail, according to aides. At a news conference in Florida, he said, "It's going to be part of the president's job to be able to deal with more than one thing at once."

 

Beyond the economic tumult, troubles in the McCain camp had contributed to the Republican's extraordinary move. These included a shaky performance by his running mate in a mock debate and an admonition to Sen. McCain by some major donors to quit blasting Wall Street and focus on solutions. Suspending the campaign, one McCain adviser recalls hoping, would let them "push the reset button."

 

The next day, while conservative House Republicans maneuvered behind the scenes to block the bailout bill, Sen. McCain sat largely silent at a crisis summit at the White House. Afterward, Sen. Obama called his staff from his car: "I've never seen anything like this," he said, according to several aides. "Some of the Republicans are clueless. Bush and I were trying to convince them."

 

The presidential candidates were essentially tied at the time, a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll showed, with Sen. McCain just a point behind. But in the next few weeks, as the handling of the economic crisis overshadowed all other issues, Sen. Obama opened a 10-point lead. Although Sen. McCain began to gain some ground at the end, he never fully recovered from the pivotal late-September juncture.

 

Sen. Obama's recipe for victory, of course, had many ingredients: a record $640 million haul of donations, a vast network of campaign workers, his stance against the Iraq war, his success in portraying his foe as heir to an unpopular president. But after a total of roughly $1 billion spent by the two candidates over 21 months, the campaign came down to the unexpected.

 

For all the ads and debates and focus groups, voters also got a gut-check test of how each man would react to a crisis. Says Mark Penn, echoing an ad he had created for Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign about how presidents deal with emergencies: "The economy turned out to be the '3 a.m. call' to the White House."

 

How the candidates responded -- Sen. McCain's dramatic moves and sometimes-uneven temperament and Sen. Obama's more analytical reaction and calm vibe -- was a window into how they made decisions. And voters responded.

 

Mark Salter, a longtime confidant of Sen. McCain, said, "The markets' collapse would have hurt no matter what we did, unless [Sen. McCain] had come out against the bailout" plan proposed by the Treasury, which many voters opposed as a rescue for Wall Street. "But he believed that would have been irresponsible and hurt the country."

 

Heading into the general-election campaign in June, Sen. McCain had been in a good place. He had won the Republican nomination early enough to be rested and ready after the bitterly fought Obama-Clinton contest.

 

But in a strategy session of five McCain advisers -- campaign manager Rick Davis, pollster Bill McInturff, strategist Steve Schmidt, ad-maker Fred Davis and strategist Greg Strimple -- the back and forth revealed a fundamental problem. Fred Davis posed a question designed to give the campaign a central focus: "Why should we elect John McCain?" Tellingly, after several hours of debate, the five couldn't reach a consensus.

 

"Without an overriding rationale, our campaign necessarily turned tactical rather than strategic," one adviser recalls. "We focused more on why Obama should not be president, but much less on why McCain should be."

 

By contrast, the Obama team hewed tightly to its original "framing theory," says David Axelrod, its chief strategist, who had worked with the Illinois Democratic senator for years. "From the start, we defined this election as about change versus more of the same."

 

At their Chicago headquarters, Mr. Axelrod and campaign manager David Plouffe set out "seven pillars" the campaign must do well: the vice-presidential choice, the convention, a European trip to meet with heads of state and the four debates. As an afterthought, he added, "Of course, we'll have to handle the unexpected."

 

Sen. McCain soon did the unexpected, picking Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. The Obama campaign watched her rousing performance at the Republican convention and focus groups assembled to test the voter reaction. Obama advisers couldn't believe what they were hearing. "Sarah Palin is one of us" was an oft-heard refrain. "She can help John McCain shake up Washington" was another common theme.

 

On his weekly strategy call with Democratic senators after the Republican convention in early September, Obama Chief of Staff Jim Messina began, "Let me walk you through this week's events." He was cut off by angry senators calling for a more aggressive response to the Republican running-mate pick: "Go after Palin." "Define Palin." "Make the race about Palin." Mr. Messina was startled by the new nervousness in the party ranks.

 

In a Sept. 11 meeting in Chicago, Mr. Axelrod addressed his staff. They were worrying about a budding "Palin phenomenon." They had downsized some scheduled events in reaction to her and to ads that painted Sen. Obama as a celebrity. But "this campaign gets in trouble when we do little things; we're better at big things," Mr. Axelrod said. "This race is about the economy and change. For everyone panicking, calm down."

 

The next Monday, Sept. 15, Sen. Obama's campaign opened with big rallies, overflow crowds and sweeping rhetoric, to the effect that a McCain administration would equal a third Bush term. "The large events got us back to our energy and momentum," says senior adviser Anita Dunn. At the Colorado state fairgrounds in Pueblo, Sen. Obama addressed a crowd estimated at 13,500.

 

That same Monday, the Dow Jones Industrial Average tumbled more than 500 points, with Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. in bankruptcy court and other financial firms, such as American International Group Inc., struggling. On the stump, Sen. McCain sought to reassure voters. "The fundamentals of the economy are strong," he said.

 

Sen. Obama attacked: "Sen. McCain, what economy are you talking about?" he said.

 

Sen. McCain fought back by slamming Wall Street for "reckless conduct, corruption and unbridled greed," even saying he would fire the Republican Securities and Exchange Commissioner, Christopher Cox.

 

A worrying sign for the Republicans now arose: Gov. Palin emerged from seclusion and faltered in the few high-profile TV interviews she gave.

 

Behind the scenes, she and her husband weren't entirely happy on the campaign trail, according to Republican operatives. Todd Palin expressed concern that overpreparation forced on his wife was part of the reason she was underperforming. He called McCain headquarters in Arlington, Va., with pointed questions about how they were isolating Gov. Palin from her own advisers and friends.

 

Looking back at the campaign, which single factor or event played the biggest role in determining the outcome of the presidential election?The economic turmoil then took center stage in the campaign on Wednesday, Sept. 24 -- the start of a three-day stretch that proved pivotal. Congress was debating a bailout of the financial markets, proposed by the Treasury Department, costing hundreds of billions of dollars.

 

Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin were in New York for the United Nations General Assembly. In a hotel room, the Alaska governor went through her first mock debate. Word trickled out to a few Republican strategists that she wasn't ready to face the political veteran Sen. Obama had picked for his ticket, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware.

 

She also gave an interview to Katie Couric of CBS News that made some Republicans worry. In a rambling answer to a question about handling the economy, Gov. Palin said: "Ultimately, what the bailout does is help those that are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy to help, uhhh, it's gotta be all about job creation, too."

 

Meanwhile, Sen. McCain was meeting with Wall Street supporters such as investor Henry Kravis, J.P. Morgan Chase Vice Chairman James B. Lee Jr. and Merrill Lynch Chief Executive John Thain, who told him the global credit markets could "seize up" without definitive action. Some chided the candidate for attacking all of Wall Street and suggesting financial CEOs shouldn't make more than the president's salary of $400,000.

 

In Clearwater, Fla., that Wednesday, preparing for a first presidential debate that was two days away, Sen. Obama waited for Sen. McCain to return his call about a possible joint statement on the principles that bailout legislation ought to reflect. The Obama camp was getting antsy. Aides didn't see any activities by Sen. McCain that would keep him from calling back.

 

In New York, the Republican spent the afternoon huddled with advisers Rick Davis, Mr. Schmidt and Mr. Salter and headed to the Morgan Library in New York to prepare for the approaching debate. Weighing how Sen. McCain should address the financial turmoil, the advisers offered three options, according to Mr. Salter: Keep your distance but monitor developments; be against the federal bailout package "because voters are;" or jump in to work on a government solution.

 

Mr. Schmidt suggested that the crisis presented a potential "leadership moment" for Sen. McCain: He could suspend his campaign and go to Washington to help negotiate bailout legislation. "If Kansas City blew up, you'd stop doing everything else," Mr. Schmidt told Sen. McCain, according to one adviser. Such an out-of-the-box idea appealed to Sen. McCain, a man who likes to shake up the status quo, another aide says.

 

Around 2:30 p.m., Sen. McCain called Sen. Obama to say a joint statement might be appropriate, adding that they should consider suspending their campaigns and postponing the coming debate to work on congressional efforts to ease the crisis.

 

After hanging up, Sen. McCain went before the media. "I will suspend my campaign," he said. He also said he and his Democratic counterpart should postpone the Friday debate to work on financial legislation being pushed by the Bush administration.

 

Obama aides were apoplectic. "This is a gimmick," Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer told his staff. "It's tonally off. There's no outcry for the candidates to get involved. It reeks." He ordered a press release saying Sen. Obama had made the first move that morning by calling Sen. McCain for a joint statement.

 

When Sen. Obama arrived at his Florida hotel, his top advisers gave him the news. He kept his usual calm, though puzzled and incredulous. "One of us will win and have to deal with the economy -- and everything else," an aide recalls him saying. He wasn't budging on the debate.

 

Obama advisers told the University of Mississippi, the debate host, that their man would appear on Friday, with or without Sen. McCain. They explored converting the debate into a town-hall event if the Republican didn't show up.

 

A McCain adviser, Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, raised the idea of moving the debate into the slot for the vice-presidential debate a week later. Some in both parties took that as a signal that Gov. Palin needed more time to prepare.

 

On Thursday, both candidates attended a White House meeting on the proposed bailout legislation. Even as they did so, conservative House Republicans were maneuvering to block it with an alternative plan. Sen. McCain said little at the White House meeting, which was inconclusive.

 

Then, on the debate issue, he blinked: He said that progress was being made on a bailout bill, and he would attend the debate. Though neither candidate had been able to prepare much in the last two days, both arrived in Oxford, Miss., that afternoon.

 

Minutes before the debate began, Sen. Obama confided to Mr. Axelrod that he was "nervous," but after all of the debate over the debate, he wanted to get on with it. "Just give me the ball. Let's play the game," he said, according to Mr. Axelrod.

 

Polling afterward found that viewers thought Sen. Obama performed strongly. In the days following, his lead grew.

 

To several McCain advisers, Sen. McCain's public show of dealing with the crisis by trying to broker a bailout deal between the president and Congress had fallen flat. "We completely blew it," said one. "The execution of a potentially great move couldn't have been worse."

But Mr. Salter doesn't think briefly putting the campaign on hold was a mistake. "Even if John hadn't suspended his campaign, the unprecedented financial meltdown was going to help Obama," he says.

 

When voters were asked in a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll about 10 days later which candidate would be better at improving the economy, 46% said Sen. Obama and 29% said Sen. McCain. Asked which presidential ticket was doing better in debates, the respondents favored Obama/Biden by 50% to 29% over McCain/Palin.

 

While Sen. McCain struggled to recover, the Obama campaign kicked into high gear. Contributions poured in, adding up to $150 million in September. The campaign started airing expensive 120-second commercials so often that some worried they could be to the point of overkill, one operative says.

 

Obama field workers, mostly volunteers, reached nearly two million voters a week, according to national field director Jon Carson. The campaign already had deployed armies of lawyers to battleground states, after statisticians studying voter registrations predicted a huge turnout.

For their part, the McCain people worried about the potential for voter fraud. Campaign manager Rick Davis pushed for more attention to the voter-registration efforts of Acorn, a group allied with Democrats that was criticized for turning in voter registrations with fake names. "Hit this hard," Mr. Davis shouted on one conference call with senior staff.

 

As Sen. McCain's path to the Oval Office narrowed, some advisers wanted to bring up Sen. Obama's 20-year relationship with his controversial pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Ad maker Fred Davis made a TV spot he wanted to unleash in the last week. It showed Sen. McCain as a Vietnam prisoner of war and then Sen. Obama with his Chicago minister, before switching to video of the Rev. Wright condemning America. It ended by saying: "Character matters, especially when no one is looking."

 

The ad was never approved, because on the stump months earlier, Sen. McCain had committed to not bringing up the Rev. Wright.

 

On the McCain campaign's last major strategy call, a dark mood prevailed as the campaign closed. The Arizona senator's advisers lamented that everything that could go wrong did go wrong, at a time when some 90% of Americans were telling pollsters the country was on the wrong track. Suggesting that Sen. McCain would be blamed for anything bad, chief strategist Steve Schmidt said in his nasal voice, "There's one event we forgot to plan for, the bubonic plague." No one laughed.

 

As Democrats and pundits began predicting an Obama victory, his campaign wouldn't tolerate the exuberance. A note on a bathroom door in the Chicago headquarters warned workers to remember how -- when they were on a high after winning the Iowa caucuses -- Hillary Clinton had shocked them with a primary victory. "If you feel giddy or cocky," the note read, "I have two words for you -- New Hampshire."

 

Sen. Obama himself kept pressing Tuesday, with a final campaign trip to the swing state of Indiana. Back in Chicago, he did a batch of TV and radio interviews for battleground markets, then grabbed the satellite schedule from an aide and autographed it, adding a flourish: "That's a wrap."

 

Write to Monica Langley at monica.langley@wsj.com

 

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