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Re: [ALOCHONA] Actress Kabori divorced

And how is Kobori's divorce a news of national or international importance?


From: Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink.net>
To: Alochona <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:30:17 PM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Actress Kabori divorced

I love the way our people like throw words like shorojontro, shongbidhan, etc around for the silliest things.

the real thing that consumes us is Obhiman and Oppoman. If we could get over these two 90% our problems would be solved.

Obhiman korona.... tumi ki ta bujona, a famous song was actually sung by Kobori.....I think....


-----Original Message-----

Subject: Hai hai!

Bichitro aamar desh!

Actress Kabori divorced 

http://www.thedaily star.net/ story.php? nid=64152
 Famous actress Kabori has been divorced by her husband Shafiuddin Sarwar, alias Babu Sarwar, ostensibly for political reasons.

Nominated by Awami League to contest the upcoming parliamentary election from Fatullah-4 constituency, Kabori told newsmen that the divorce was  part of a conspiracy. "Reason is I've got the AL nomination."

The 62-year-old legendary actress got AL nomination in preference to former lawmaker Shamim Osman, who fled the country after the 1/11 change over. Sarwar is Shamim's uncle

National and international awards winner Kabori married Sarwar in 1978, leaving her first husband Chitta Chowdhury.

Sarwar divorced Kabori at Amtali kazi office on Monday and submitted the  talaknama to the Gulshan office of the Dhaka City Corporation.


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Re: [ALOCHONA] 3 Bangladeshi killed in Panchagarh by BSF

Obviously, we cannot declare war against India. Our elected politicians, either BNP or AL, must negotiate with the Indian government about BSF's aggression and make them stop. The mindless killing must stop!! I know quite well what BSF is capable of. Years ago, I unwittingly found myself in the middle of a cross-fire between BSF and our side. BSF fired the first shot! But that's another story for another topic.
 
C


From: maruf mahmud <mahmud_maruf@yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:37:20 PM
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] 3 Bangladeshi killed in Panchagarh by BSF

BSF has killed more Bangladeshi people than the Bongobondhu' s Rokhi bahini.

--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Mohd. Haque <haquetm83@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Mohd. Haque <haquetm83@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] 3 Bangladeshi killed in Panchagarh by BSF
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 2:33 AM

We must give blood to pay off our debt accrued in 1971.
 


--- On Mon, 17/11/08, Md. Aminul Islam <aminul_islam_ raj@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Md. Aminul Islam <aminul_islam_ raj@yahoo. com>
Subject: [ALOCHONA] 3 Bangladeshi killed in Panchagarh by BSF
To: Amra-Bangladesi@ yahoogroups. com, notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com, Bangladesh-Zindabad @yahoogroups. com, alochona@yahoogroup s.com, sonarbangladesh@ yahoogroups. com, WideMinds@yahoogrou ps.com, banglarnari@ yahoogroups. com, dahuk@yahoogroups. com, khabor@yahoogroups. com, vinnomot@yahoogroup s.com, faruquealamgir@ yahoo.com, ayubi_s786@yahoo. com, javediqbalkaleem@ yahoo.com, dreamer_hillol@ yahoo.com, chena_kew@yahoo. com, bdmailer@gmail. com, diagnose@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Monday, 17 November, 2008, 9:33 AM

3 killed in Panchagarh by BSF fire: official
Mon, Nov 17th, 2008 12:45 am BdST
Panchagarh, Nov 16 (bdnews24.com) – An infant, the mother and another Bangladeshi were killed late Sunday night by Indian Border Security Force men on the country's northernmost border, said a BDR official.

"The deceased were identified as 35 year-old Golam Mustofa, 25-year-old Majeda Begum and her one-year-old infant Mamun," Maj. Sheikh Farid, in-charge of Panchagarh-25 Battalion, told bdnews24.com.

At least one other person, Majeda's husband Shahidul, 30, was critically wounded and taken to Rangpur Medical College Hospital.

BSF personnel entered Moyanaguri village of the Majhipara border area in Tentulia, crossing near the frontier's Pillar-435 at around 10.15pm, the major said.

They started opening fire after villagers had intercepted them, he said.

Shahidul, Majeda and Mamun were shot as they lay asleep in their home, said villagers.

Shahidul's neighbour, Alamgir Hossain said: "I was woken by the sound of gunfire and realised it was BSF. I cycled to Matirpara BDR camp for help."

The Indian border guards eventually withdrew. "BDR members with villagers later captured one BSF man, who appeared drunk," the major said.

"Homes, riddled with bullet holes, were deserted as villagers took shelter at the local high school," bdnews24..com' s correspondent reported from the scene around midnight.

"Senior BDR officers are present at the scene. Both BDR and BSF have reinforced their presence along the border," Major Farid told bdnews24.com.



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Re: [ALOCHONA] Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in Prothom Alo

Mr. Iqbal...I really enjoyed reading your response!!
 
The self-proclaimed Human Rights Advocate, whose opinions show utter lack of knowledge of history, both Islamic as well as of other civilizations, and no realization that Lalon was a great Sufi mystic, a criminalized and persecuted Muslim group. Sufiism is part of our history....it is a part of Islamic history, and must be protected at all costs.
 
"Blind uncultured mass"? Oh the audacity! The only one blinded by ignorance disguised as "faith" is Mr. Mufassil Islam, who obviously doesn't understand much about Islam or its rich and diverse culture. I find it amusing and ironic that Mr. Islam's lacks any understanding of Islamic history and the Islamic philosphy. That's a thought! 
 
Anyways....keep writing Mr. Iqbal.
 
Cheers,
Cyrus


From: ANWAR IQBAL <Anwariqbal@yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:32:26 PM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in Prothom Alo

Mr. Mufassil Islam;

At the end of this letter, I have pasted a copy of an article that was sent to me by a friend who lives in Germany . This is related to the subject of your conversation.  Please review this and give us your words of wisdom on that article.

 

Beyond that, I would like to add some of my own thoughts on this.

 

So called Islamic intellectuals with their bigotry, myopic visions and immense disrespect to other civilizations and cultures have given Islam and the Muslims a bad name today. Many of those intellectuals grew up receiving Islamic teachings from Class 8 pass mullahs. Some of them obviously obtained higher education beyond village Moktobs. That however, did not clear the brain washing they received during their childhood. These are the people who we find relentlessly trying to force their version of Islam through our throats.

 

View points expressed by intellectuals such as yourself strikes me to the fact that you all believe your perception is always superior to that of the rest who hold a different opinion on the same subject matter. I do not know you and you surely do not know me. Therefore, in reading my writing you can always blow me away as another idiot trying to sound smart. But in the case of Humayun Ahmed who is a PhD, an established author and a respected retired university teacher, how could you even think that you can surpass his intellectual abilities with yours? Why makes you think you know better than him? Yet better why do think you know better than anyone else. Your mindset suggests that all those people who are in favor of the statues are nothing but ignorant morons. What makes you develop such disrespect for others around you? You are asking people to not to do something that other people want to do. And in doing so they are not even harming anyone. This shows the general intolerance from people of your types to the rest who holds harmless opposing views. This is the root of all problems for the entire civilization today. This is the cause of all the wars (justified or not) and this is the cause why there is the continuous tension between your type of Muslims and the rest of World.

 

Let's go back to your mail; Egypt may not be a good (!) Islamic Country in your definition, but have you thought about the Holy land of Saudi Arabia and how blindly we perform some acts in our religion that supports idolatry. Think about the ritual of stoning the "Iblis" during Hajj? Are those stone models of "Iblis" not idols in your definition? Do not forget that this ritual of stoning is a mere carry over of the traditional Hajj ritual celebrated in Mecca prior to Islam when they worshiped the Statue of Allah inside the Harem Sharif.  

 

People like you keep people like us scared and makes us worried about the future of our dear motherland. Not too long ago, Mullah Omar came to power with Taliban in Afghanistan with your type of values and ideas. Besides other valuable relics and artifacts of immense historic importance, they destroyed 2000 years old statue of Buddha which is not only a loss of History and tradition for the Afghans but also an irreparable loss for the whole mankind. In your letter, you said, "Human nature does not evolve with time. It is static", if you really feel that to be true, you and your types should move into the caves and "Be modern and seal all means of deviation and use your intellect to worship the Almighty - not using dead idols."

 

While reading your mail, I took a curious interest in your title "A human Rights Advocate". Based on the contents of your typical writings, I think you believe "your type of fundamentalist Muslims" is the only humans as you continuously advocate for them. Please do not forget there are other humans who follow the same religion with a much open mind or of different cultures and some of different religions. I think you should separate yourself from those "inferior" humans and revise your title slightly to call yourself "A Mullah and a fundamentalist Muslim Human Rights Advocate."

 

Anwar

 
Lalon sculpture at Dhaka Airport : Demolition fanfare by the bigots ......
 
<SPANLalon src="http://media1.somewhereinblog.net//images/thumbs/banglarjoy_1224248015_1-lalon_statue.jpg" width=400>
The statues being pulled down: Image credit BanglarChokh
 
 Mannequins in Macca
This picture is from a store in a mall located within 100 yrds of  Kabba Sharif. Many stores
in this mall displys different kinds of  Mannequins to attract customes to sell products, just
as you would see in any modern mall all over the world. [some even shows  "naked"
female breasts to display bra & brief sets, similar to the picture:
 
If you have visited Macca lately, you must have noticed that space around Kabba at
Masjid-al-Haram is now sorrounded by world class 5-star hotels and a very large western
style shopping malls. Now when you walk out of the Al-haram, all you see is malls and big
hotels.  Makkah is supposed to be a place of spirituality, not materialism.  Any kind of
spiritual benefit one gets from the Kaba gets easily lost the second he/she step out and
walk into these buildings.  All you see is people eating, buying, selling, you totally don't
feel like you are in Mecca.  Many people, go to Hajj taking it as if it is some kind of
vacation area, people want the best hotel, the best food, drink, comfort etc.  You must be
personally knowing Hajis who took advantages of cheaper gold in Makka and Madina.  

Masjid al-Haram in May 2007, Mecca [ see the high rise malls and hotels in the
background skyline] Have you ever seen the Jamaatis and bigots like  Mufti Fazlul
Hoq Amini or Saikhul Hadis Ajijul Haq ever protesting these "un-Islamic" practices
in Macca [Saudi arabia] ?
 
The Lalon sculpture is very much consistent with the tradition and culture of
Bangladesh. If use of  Mannequins can be approved in Macca Malls, why there is
so much fuss about the Lalon Sculpture at the Air Port? It is another FACE of
POLITICAL ISLAM i.e the use of religion for political purposes !


--- On Sun, 11/9/08, mufassil islam <mufassili@hotmail. com> wrote:
From: mufassil islam <mufassili@hotmail. com>
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in Prothom Alo
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 8:05 AM

Again..the statutes are not representative of any modern art. This is the most ancient form of art in human history which culminated from idol worshipping pagan societies. We do not want people - especially naitives of a simple-minded society to be dragged into the vortex of justifying idolatry in any form or shape. The regime in Egypt is not any way Islamic and human rights record in suppressing democratic norms in that country is appalling. The Islamic scholars of Bengal is way far wiser than many Arabs and exceptions do not make laws. When world is moving ahead in art and culture in various electronic medias - we are bogged down in static idolisation of so called great leaders. When Moses was away - the Bible and Quran (Exodus and Bakara) say that the followers started worshipping the Cow. Please read the context. Human nature does not evolve with time. It is static. Be modern and seal all means of deviation and use your intellect to worship the Almighty - not using dead idols. You idolise Greats in minds - not by building statutes. The right salute to them is to fight and strive for the cause they are respected for. You democratic modern people - let's suggest a final solution - democratically. Let's have a poll. I bet most of us will condemn this culture. Now will you condemn our blind uncultured mass? Well - that's democracy - mass rules - learn to live with it.
 
Mufassil Islam
Human Rights Advocate




To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
From: anwarshafqat@ hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:40:34 +0000
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in Prothom Alo


I live in Cairo, the capital of an important Muslim country and there are statues of many Egyptian personalities of
the Islamic era in various street junctions. The same I have seen in Malaysia where statues of the national personalities
are erected in various places.  

I do not think that a close minded conservative approach will take us anywhere ! The world is moving ahead whereas
we are thinking backwards. The sermons of ill informed and almost uneducated religious preachers cannot be the
yardstick of judging what is right or wrong in a modern 21st century society.

Regards,
Shafqat

To: abdurrazzaq1949@ hotmail.com; hgas@northsouth. edu
From: sahannan@sonarbangl adesh.com
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:56:04 -0700
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in Prothom Alo


 
 
 
 
 
Dear members,
 
Assalamu Alaikum A question has been sent to me to give my opinion on the one -column article of Humayun Ahmad, a well-known novelist of Bangladesh I feel that Humayun ahmad sahib has done injustice to Islam, Muslim and himself.My points are as follows:-( Those who know Bangla can read the attached articlein Bangla.Those who do not know, there is no problem as I have taken his point of view  in my submissions  )
 
!.He says that some madrasah student shouted and government backed down on statue issue and removed the under-constuction statue of a  famous poet and Baul Lalon Shah.This is not true that a few Madrasah students protested..Al leasr 50 million Muslims in two hundred thousand  masjids heard Khutba ( speech of Imam) of prayer leader in Juma congregation on last friday condeming statue making.
 
As against that I have seen human chains, one of 25 people and another of 15 teachers, may be there were a few others.It clearly reflects public opinion.
 
2.He has tried to justify staue making and honoring them in the name of Islam.He says that Prophet (sm) did not erase the picture of Maryam  from the wall of Kaba when he destroyed other idols of kabah..Is it any justification for statue makinf or placing them in public places for reminding heritage?.At the most it can be said that the Prophet honored the existing picture of the mother of Isa (AS)and it will not be proper for Muslims to break  statues existing before the advent of Islam of  religious personages.
 
Mr Ahmad has said from Bukhari that Ayesha used to play with dolls and Prophet (sm ) did not stop her.It at the most proves that small dolls are permissible for children as Imam Shawkani and Dr Qaradawi have said( Al Halal wal Haram Fil Islam by Dr Qaradawi) It does not prove that statue making and honoring them are permissible.
He failed  to mention numerous Hadith in Bukhari and other Hadith books which say that those who make statue are cursed and  will not enter Jannah.
3.We do not know whether  there are half statues of three poets and saints in Iran.However we know that all statues of Shah of Iran were destroyed by the people after his fall and nostatue was made of Imam Khomeni.
Even if some statues are there, these are violations.We should take notice that there is no statue our Prophet, or Sahabi or khalifas of Rashidun or Abbasid or Umayyad period, not even of Moghul rulers or Sultans of Bengal. 
4.About Greek statue in Libiya it is also of Pre-Islamic period , may be it was not broken for some reasons but the Libiyans did not erect new statues.
5 About destruction of Buddha statue in Afganistan , Al-Azhar, OIC ,Qaradawi condemned the destruction of this old pre-islamic statue of Buddha. This does not mean that Islam likes statues and we should start making statues of our leaders, Imams and Sahabis and Khalifas and place them in public places.
 
6.Mr Humayun Ahmad's  piece is an emotional and one-sided and surely mis-interpretation of Islam.
 
Shah Abdul Hannan
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Omar
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:27 PM
Subject: Article _Humaun Ahmed

Dear Sir
Assalamu Alaikum.
 
I am sharing with you a bangla article of Humaun Ahmed published in the Prothom Alo on 27.10.08. What is your comment on this?
 
Omar bissas.



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Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Will Bangladesh Jamaat's killing spree be muffled for the election?

I am not sure how to react to your email or where to begin! You, sir, have left me flabbergasted with your lack of objectivity and critical understanding of our political past.
 
True that many AL/Bakshal politicians were corrupt during the post-71 era, and it is also true that lack of leadership from Bongobondhu turned the country into total anarchy. But, by no means Zia was the "brightest star", nor was he as benevolent as you make him appear. Ranked as a major, Zia was a self-appointed general in the army. Once he and his minions seized power, the joint chief of staff had to decorate him a general. You cannot have a subordinate acting as the "commander in chief" over generals, can you? That was a "bright" move alright! When in power, Zia ensured that every powerful position was controlled by his supporters and followers, and also ensured the path for the rise of Khaleda Zia et. al.
 
Zia's vision, and I am sure I say this at the risk of offending many supporters of him, was neither economic freedom, nor social equality. Instead, his eyes were fixated on sustaining his power and legacy. It was he who allowed the re-entry of Jamaat into our political arena, ensuring a lifelong ally. It was he, who imprisoned soldiers, high ranking officials, civilians, politicians from the opposition, and in some cases ordered the execution of army officials at military tribunals under questionable circumstances. I can go on listing more of his "honest" political moves.
 
A Pulitzer prize winning book called "The Price of Power", as well as numerous other articles and books around the world, describe the unholy relationship between Zia's regime and Nixon/Ford/Kissinger's post-71 influence on Bangladesh. It is a documented fact that prior to Bongobondhu's assassination, then U.S. Ambassador David Boster met with Zia and several high-ranking army officials in his residence. Mr. Boster was called back to the U.S. in 1976. According to now declassified CIA documents, between 1974 and 1981, CIA's station chief in India had regular contact with Zia's regime and especially Zia. According to former CIA operatives then operating in the South/South East Asia, an undisclosed amount of money was channeled to several politicians in Bangladesh during the same time. Unfortunately, the actual amount and where it went is still classified under DOD's "black budget". Do I need to draw you a line to see where this is going? We don't know about Zia's finances...but we do know that he wasn't as prophetic as you portray him to be.
 
I request to all followers of Zia, please stop displaying his picture digging canals in the name of improving irrigation system, and labeling him as a "down to earth" man. He was a president for crying out loud!! Once you hold that position, you cannot be a down to earth person. Period. What his motives were behind spending time in the rural regions are a mystery. But one thing for certain, Zia picked up a shovel always before the election season, went to the villages, patted some old peasant on his back, hugged some old lady, and took their kids under his wings. Some of those kids, when they grew up and went to Dhaka University became the biggest thugs in our history. Some of them now are politicians, and some are still in hiding. If that's not a recruitment campaign for your armed cadres, I don't know what is.
 
One thing I do agree with you. Zia was anything but a moron. A talented politician, albeit cunning, he could outmaneuver any AL or JP politician. That takes real intelligence and foresight into the psyche of your enemy. Only a few people could do that in history. Joseph Stalin was one of them. Need I add that Stalin was also responsible for mass murders in Russia?
 
There is a difference between blissful ignorance and willful distortion of facts to rub soporific on people's eyes about some mythical divinity that you bestow upon Zia. (That goes for Bongobondhu supporters too!!) For a man of your education, and apparent strong convictions, such blissful ignorance or willful distortion of facts are neither healthy, nor conducive to an intelligent discourse.
 
Best wishes,
Cyrus


From: maqsud omaba <maqsudo@hotmail.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:28:37 AM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: Will Bangladesh Jamaat's killing spree be muffled for the election?

re: AL thugs of 1971
------------ --------

no...no....not every body, who fought in liberation war were thugs...some were.

Zia is one of the brightest star in our short history, a powerful general and president who did not allow his family + relatives
to benefit in any form/manner/ way.

An honest person, who did not steal 1 Tk. from anybody/ anywhere.

A man with vision, who spent hours with ordinary people in the country side.

A true patriot who worked hard to improve the quality of life for common men/women.

A dedicated soldier, who left home, leaving behind his family, to lead the liberation force.

He was not a moron, like many many present /past AL politicians.

Best wishes.

dr. maqsud omar







To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
From: m_musa92870@ yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:39:57 +0000
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Will Bangladesh Jamaat's killing spree be muffled for the election?

Re: M. Omar
"the style of AL thugs in 1971"? …. I think by saying this you have truly exposed yourself.  It reminds me of the crooked BNP-Jamaat politicians who are now questioning the election result of 1970.  So all our leaders (including many currently in BNP and JP) in 1971, soldiers including Ziaur Rahman, and muktijoddhas were either AL thugs or blindly followed the AL thugs according to your ridiculous and outrageous statement.  Do you remember the munafiqs during the prophets (SA) time?  They were the ones who outwardly declared shahada and assured the Muslims that they were with them, but during the time of need worked against the Muslims.  Jamaat did exactly the same.  They didn't just have different political opinions about the liberation war, they fought against the freedom fighters.  They thought the Pak army was going to win.  They formed paramilitary terrorist organization with the help of Pakistani military.  They killed and raped civilians, and aided the Pakistani army in doing the same.  They are the ones who planned and carried out the intellectual murders in Dec, 1971.  Just reading their newspaper Daily Sangram from Mar 26 thru Dec 16, 1971 will give you some idea.  No matter how twisted way you defend them, the stench of your argument won't sway the public sentiment. 
Most of the people (except the so called grass roots activists of the political parties) in Bangladesh want to see the corrupt politicians in jail.  Nobody is denying the damages done by all the political parties over the years.  But they also want the trial for war crimes committed by Jamaat's top leadership simultaneously.  As Mr. Cyrus put it very nicely, there are two different issues here.  Honestly speaking, both need to be addressed.  But based on your argument we should only focus on BNP, JP and AL, and leave Jamaat alone.  As far as I remember from your past writings, you still grumble about the 1972-1975 AL period.  Is 1971 too far from 1972? 
In addition to 1971 war crimes, Jamaat jointly ruled the country with BNP from 2001–2006.  How many of the wrong things and corruption cases that happened during that period did Jamaat protest?  Zero.  Did they resign from the government or did they even contemplate doing that? Nope.  Just read any newspaper during that period.  Jamaat enthusiastically defended every action of BNP.  Why wouldn't they?  They were part of that government too.  The number of one enemy of Islam are the people who have outward religious appearance and activities, but whose evil actions and words turn others away from Islam. 
The same corrupt and gutless politicians will keep coming back, because Jamaat showed them how to get away with vicious crimes.  And people like you make it even easier, because the corrupt politicians know there are people out there who will support or defend them no matter what.
Mohammad Musa Sarkar
--- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, maqsud omaba <maqsudo@...> wrote:
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>
> Re: cyrus
> ------------ -
>
>
> many thanks...for your well-written, to the point letter.
>
> i am not prepared to accept the fact that people who critisizes Jamaat, equally critisized other corrupt politicians. ...that hasn't been my experience.
>
> The magnitude of colourful criticism of Jamaat acclerated.. ...when the CTG was trying to expose some of the top AL, BNP politicians + other
> corrupt elements! What a co-incidence! ...Is it not a " smoke screen"
>
> If you truly understand the process of democracy and want to practise that......why do you want to attack anybody/everybody ...who has different opinion about our leadership during liberation war, who preferred independence through other means, who did not like the style of AL thugs
> in 1971, who nourishes different political views than you do?!
>
> You have totally avoided making comments about my Q.......how much damages Jamaat has caused,,,, and how much damages AL, BNP and others
> contributed in the past ?
>
> AL, BNP +other corrupt politicians have created a society..... .where violence, corruption, immorality are beyond control now.
> who will fix sickness in our community now? How?
>
> Can you please explain...why we need to bring ..the same corrupt,gut- less politicians. .. back to power again?
>
> Why have you concluded... that I think I am the only good guy to contribute to the community!!
>
> I didn't.
>
> We should spend more time + energy to fix our problems in Bdesh and take positive steps to create a CLEAN, DEDICATED, CARING society....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> From: thoughtocrat@ ...
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:21:47 -0800
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Will Bangladesh Jamaat's killing spree be muffled for the election?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Omar:
>
> I think you are mixing up two issues here. One is Jamaat's past, it's well-known opposition to our independence and sovereignty, and its destructive and extremist activities that is contrary to the secular constitution that we hold true. It is about Jamaat's unrepentance, and the justice that was never delivered on behalf of the people. The other issues is AL, BNP, JP, et. al. who have bankrupted this country through corruption, misdeeds, violence, and failed policies. The two issues are not the same.
>
> Sir, it is also careless to say that people who advocate against Jamaat are "either naive/paid agents/or simply stupid". I personally take offense in your comment, as I write frequently against Jamaat....as well as against AL, BNP, JP and their moral bankruptcy. I suggest that you read the past postings of those who speak against Jamaat, and I am sure you would find that most of them also speak against the maladies of our current political atmosphere.
>
> No one has ever suggested that if one is a proud and pious muslim, one is automatically a fanatic or jamaat supporter. On the same note, no one has tried to create "smoke screens" for AL, BNP, JP et. al. It is a discourse, whether you like it or not, and we all are entitled to our opinions as well as our political convictions.
>
> I am always skeptical about self-proclaimed "contributors" to Bangladeshi community, both in BD and abroad. But I am glad that you find solace in your work for the community, and I am sure the community appreciates it too. But, it is rather naive and narcissistic to assume that you are the only who contributes to the betterment of the community, and those who write here against Jamaat do not. As far as I can tell, you have no knowledge of the background of frequent writers here, including Ms. Farida Majid, and I doubt that you have examined whether these people have made any positive contribution to our community everywhere. Lastly, your comment about "paid agent" is irresponsible and has the ring of "McCarthyism" , and in our context those labels show lack of judgment on your part.
>
> I look forward to your continued contribution to this forum.
>
> Sincerely,
> Cyrus
>
>
>
>
>
> From: maqsud omaba maqsudo@...
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Friday, November 7, 2008 2:22:41 AM
> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Will Bangladesh Jamaat's killing spree be muffled for the election?
>
>
>
> ATTN. Farida Majid
> ------------ -----
>
> You and few other " elite intellectuals " often write about jamaat....their wrong philosophy, aggressive manners, cruel activities, etc.
>
> have you ever asked yourself, how much damage Jamaat has done...to Bangladesh; and how much damage AL + BNP + ershad + beauracrats
> + politicians have caused since Jan, 1972??
>
> The answer will be simple, clear and shattering.
>
> People like you , who are always yelling about Jamaat's destructive activities, are either naive / paid agents/ or simple stupid.
> It is time for you to wake up and write more constructive items on Bdeshi issues.
>
> Blaming Jamaat for all the Bdeshi mess will not be useful. sending few more corrupt officials + politicians to prison may be more therapeutic and helpful.
>
> I am a proud muslim, not a fanatic, not a Jamaat supporter. But i dont enjoy creating " smoke screen" on behalf of crooked + corrupt
> AL +
> BNP politicians.
>
> It is time to reassess your style and contribute more to the Bdeshi community... . I do.
>
> khoda hafez.
>
> dr. maqsud omar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> From: farida_majid@ hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:40:09 -0400
> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Will Bangladesh Jamaat's killing spree be muffled for the election?
>
> Blame it all on RAW/MOSAD. Do we have instances of Indian BJP/Sangh Parivar engaged in mass killing of Hindus? Do the Zionists habitually engage in murdering the Jew?
>
> How about our Jamaati Islami berathari toward fellow Muslims of Bangla land? Please read the followin note frm Ahsan Abbas of Pakistan:
>
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:16 AM, ahsan abbas < > wrote:
>
>
>
> I can show you many many pics of Hindus burning the holy Quran. Can any one PLEASE show me a single picture of Hindus burning their own book ?
>
> I can show you thousands of pics of Israrils oppression against Muslims. Can any body PLEASE send me a single picture of Jews killing the Jews ?
>
> I can give you hundreds of examples of Americans, oppresing the Muslims. Can any body PLEASE show me a single example of Americans killing the Americans in name of Christianity ?
>
> If you cannot, please come to me I will show something:
>
> Muslims are beheading Muslims in the name of Islam.
>
> Muslims are attacking the Mosques for the sake of Allah.
>
> Muslims are burning the schools to spread Islam.
>
> Muslims are doing suicidal attacks on hospitals to serve the humanity.
>
> Muslims are kidnapping school children to
> enforce the shariah.
>
> Oh No what you are saying ??? They cant be regarded as Muslims.They are beasts.
>
> DO NOT SAY THIS OTHERWISE YOU TOO WILL BE REGARDED AS INFIDEL(KAFIR) . These people
> are "Mujahideen- e-Islam" and doing all this "to defeat the America"
>
> Subhan Allah..... You see what a great logic it is.
>
> It is due to this marvelous logic, the Muslims are being beaten all over the world.
>
> These brave, sincere and true Mujahideen did a self proclaimed 9/11, successfully managed an attack on Afghanistan and Iraq and now striving to do the same with Atomic Pakistan.
>
> Could we still not decide who is the worse? Zionists, racist Hindus or our Mjahideen ?
>
>
> Love
>
> Ahsan
>
>
> From: m_musa92870@ yahoo.com
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:53:36 +0000
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Upcoming conspiracies surrounding general election in Bangladesh
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If a morally bankrupt person calls me intellectually bankrupt, I take it as complement. Thank you. Why don't you provide us some facts (including dates) and reasoning what MOSAD did in Bangladesh since you have case against them? As far as deviating from the subject, I can accuse you of the same. You could not provide any justifications for the lies and broken promises of those pseudo-Islamic parties to EC during their previous visits. Sorry I cannot call somebody Islamic for hypocrisy. If they are like all the other non-religious political parties, why do they use Islam in pursuing their worldly goals? Why do they deceive us with their outward religious appearances? I wanted to say lying is very little sin compared to what these religious frauds are capable of doing without any hesitation. Sorry
> that of type of accusation hurts you personally. I was not aware of that.
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ahsan_mohammed2000 " <ahsan_mohammed2000@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Mr. Mohammad Musa Sarkar,
> >
> > I requested you to provide your analysis with facts and reasoning,
> > however, you preferred to express your one-eyed views only. Many
> > quarters might be involved in influencing Bangladesh politics. We
> > should discuss their roles and interests objectively instead of being
> > supportive to any specific one. Why are you trying to portray some
> > people as supporters of some agencies? I am a Bangladeshi (and you
> > are too, I suppose) and we should uphold the interest of the nation,
> > not of other countries. You mentioned about CIA, what about others
> > (e.g. RAW, MOSAD)? What do you think about them?
> >
> > Constantly deviating from the point of discussion to another specific
> > one is a kind of
> intellectual bankruptcy. It reminds me of a famous
> > joke. A clever boy sat in exam. He memorised an essay on cows but
> > the question paper asked him to write an essay on a river. He
> > started. "There was a river. A cow was gazing on its bank. A cow
> > has two eyes ... "
> >
> > How logical is it to make indecent remarks on someone on the ground
> > that people of the same party did something which was not decent? An
> > Awami League leader celebrated rape century in Jahangirnagar
> > University. Should it be reflected while EC makes remark on Sheikh
> > Hasina?
> >
> > Regarding some Islamic parties position on registration in EC, you
> > know that it is not new in our politics to change their demands at
> > different stages of negotiations. Will you kindly mention what was
> > AL's position
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Ahsan Mohammed
> >
> >
> >
> --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "musasarkar" m_musa92870@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Mr. Ahsan Mohammed,
> > >
> > > My problem was your exclusion of ISI, the worst of the foreign
> > > intelligence services in our area. To me that was not honesty.
> > That
> > > doesn't mean that I excluded the others. Especially how can I
> > exclude
> > > CIA who was involved in killing Bangabandhu and other top national
> > > leaders and installing army backed nationalist force in
> > Bangladesh? How
> > > can I ignore CIA's direct and indirect contribution in return and
> > > revival of war criminals in Bangladesh?
> > >
> > > If supporting lying and hypocrisy of people from Al Badr background
> > are
> > > part of your socio-cultural background, that I have noting to say.
> > And
> > > of course, you also can consider what these
> so-called pseudo-Islamic
> > > leaders did in 1971 as very decent, but to me they are just
> > savages.
> > > You live with your views and I have nothing to say.
> > >
> > > Best regards.
> > >
> > > Mohammad Musa Sarkar.
> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ahsan_mohammed2000 "
> > > <ahsan_mohammed2000@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Mr. Mohammad Musa Sarkar,
> > > >
> > > > I do not understand how you deduced that I read only right-wing
> > > > Bangladeshi newspapers? I have not quoted from any newspaper or
> > > > mentioned any piece of news. I have presented my own analysis of
> > > > some facts. If you have any difference of opinion about any
> > specific
> > > > point, please mention it. I also do not understand why you are
> > > > defending RAW, MOSAD and CIA. Other
> intelligence agencies might
> > also
> > > > be interested in BD politics. If you have any analysis about it,
> > > > please mention it with reasons. If you think that RAW, MOSAD and
> > CIA
> > > > has no interest in BD politics, please also provide your logic
> > behind
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > Decency and indecency varies from person to person and has
> > relation
> > > > with the socio-cultural background of someone. If you think that
> > > > CEC's remarks on some Islamic parties were decent, then it is your
> > > > view and I have nothing to say.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards.
> > > >
> > > > Ahsan Mohammed
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "musasarkar" m_musa92870@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr.
> Ahsan Mohammed,
> > > > >
> > > > > May be you are only reading the right-wing Bangladeshi
> > newpapers.
> > > > If
> > > > > you read the other papers, you will find more conspiracies. You
> > > > will
> > > > > find many who consider this current CTG as Jamaat's B team. This
> > > > CTG
> > > > > has been extraordinarily soft on Jamaat and other religious
> > > > fanatics and
> > > > > extremists. Look at the joke and circus regarding Al Badr co-
> > chief
> > > > > Mujahid's arrest. While people like you always smell RAW, MOSSAD
> > > > and
> > > > > CIA conspiracies, there are lot more people who smell CIA, ISI
> > and
> > > > > Wahabi conspiracies. It goes both ways.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your article in Naya Diganta presents only right-wing view
>
> > points
> > > > and it
> > > > > cannot be accepted as fair and balanced piece. ISI is one of the
> > > > top
> > > > > players in Indian subcontinent. They are behind many subversive
> > > > acts.
> > > > > They created Talibans and hence aided Al Qaeda. To leave them
> > out
> > > > from
> > > > > your equation strongly suggest, you are pushing right-wing
> > agenda.
> > > > You
> > > > > mentioned in your article that since BNP's leadership is trying
> > to
> > > > > negotiate with CTG, they didn't protest CEC's very indecent
> > > > > comments on the pseudo-Islamic partners of BNP. May be you can
> > > > teach us
> > > > > what kind of decent words the CEC should have used for their
> > > > outright
> > > > > lies. Let me make another very
> indecent and rude comment about
> > > > these
> > > > > mullahs - these mullahs actively and enthusiastically
> > participated
> > > > in
> > > > > all sorts of heinous war crimes in 1971. Regards-
> > > > >
> > > > > Mohammad Musa Sarkar
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ahsan_mohammed2000 "
> > > > > <ahsan_mohammed2000@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Alochok Ezajur,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is good to know that there are enlightened and powerful
> > elites
> > > > who
> > > > > > welcome conspiracies against their motherland apparently
> > because,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > âہ"You canâۉ„¢t ensure clean candidates for the election.
> > > > > > You
> canâۉ„¢t ensure there wonâۉ„¢t be any rioting or
> > > deaths at
> > > > > the election.
> > > > > > You canâۉ„¢t ensure clean MPs or clean Ministers.
> > > > > > You canâۉ„¢t ensure that family politics will be removed.
> > > > > > You canâۉ„¢t ensure that kickbacks from government contracts
> > > will
> > > > > be
> > > > > > spotted.
> > > > > > You canâۉ„¢t ensure a proper vision of Bangladesh by
> > > politicians.
> > > > > > You canâۉ„¢t ensure that politicians will refrain from rabble
> > > > > rousing.
> > > > > > You canâۉ„¢t ensure that MPs wonâۉ„¢t financially benefit
> > > from
> > > > > crooked
> > > > > > manpower agents.âە¿½
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can Indians
> ensure the above-mentioned checklist? If they are
> > > > happy
> > > > > > with their spoiled democracy, then why arenâۉ„¢t we?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How logical is it to welcome military rule or foreign
> > intervention
> > > > > > because democracy has not yet got sufficient time to
> > flourish? Who
> > > > > > ruled the country most of the time after its independence,
> > > > democratic
> > > > > > forces or military rulers with or without uniform?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The notion that Americans and others can buy anything they
> > want
> > > > seems
> > > > > > to be an oversimplified assumption. If it were true, then the
> > > > world
> > > > > > would not have so many wars and troubles. Moreover, sometimes
> > > >
> buying
> > > > > > things might involve very high value. The more we welcome
> > > > > > conspiracies, the more we become ready to sell ourselves (not
> > > > > > personal, saying in general).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ahsan Mohammed
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "Ezajur Rahman"
> > ezajur.rahman@
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Alcohok Ahsan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is indeed very well written. But I am not remotely
> > bothered
> > > > by
> > > > > > > conspiracies.
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In fact I welcome them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure clean candidates for the election.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure there won't be any rioting or deaths at the
> > > > > > election.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure clean MPs or clean Ministers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure that family politics will be removed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure that kickbacks from government contracts
> > will
> > > > be
> > > > > > > spotted.
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > You can't ensure a proper vision of Bangladesh by
> > politicians.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure that politicians will refrain from rabble
> > > > rousing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure that MPs won't financially benefit from
> > crooked
> > > > > > > manpower agents.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure jack****.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But let's talk about how to stop foreign conspiracies! Woah!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bhai -
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It takes 3 ISI agents only to manage Pakistan's interests
> > > > > > Bangladesh.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It takes 2 RAW agents only to manage India's interests in
> > > > > > Bangladesh.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And it is just a wet dream that the Americans, Brits,
> > Chinese
> > > > etc
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > working hard to subvert the elections.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why should they even bother? They can buy anything they
> > want...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The common masses cannot do anything until the common
> > masses can
> > >
> > > > > successfully demand real change in our politics.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The biggest conspiracy in Bangladesh is the perpetuation of
> > > > family
> > > > > > > politics by mid level AL and BNP supporters who just love to
> > > > pretend
> > > > > > > they are very flexible, agenda free, reasonable people.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any conspiracy that undermines the election of Hasina and
> > > > Khaleda
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > undermines the baboons of the AL and BNP central committees
> > is
> > > > > > welcome.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let me know
> where I can make a donation...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We can't build a boat to carry 200 people safely in 2008
> > but we
> > > > sure
> > > > > > > kicked the 5th Fleet back to the USA back in 1971 didn't we!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nothing personal Ahsan - your piece was excellently
> > written. I'm
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > ranting...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ezajur Rahman
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Kuwait
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Ahsan Mohammad vai
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Very well written analysis. Though there is no way of
> > knowing
> > > > for
> > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > that such incidents will take place, but many indications
> > are
> > > > > > pointing
> > > > > > > towards that.
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What can we, the common mass, do?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > regards
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:27 AM, alochona@yahoogroup s.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For a Better Bangladesh
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
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> > > > > > > Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:13 pm (PDT)
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> > > > > > > Dear Members,
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> > > > > > > Although the Chief Advisor and other members of the interim
> > > > > > government
> > > > > > > are trying to ensure through their speeches that the general
> > > > > > election
> > > > > > > will be held in December 2008 and power will be handed over
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > > elected representatives of
> people, doubts and fears are
> > > > spreading
> > > > > > due to
> > > > > > > some activities of the ruling quarter. I tried to analyse
> > the
> > > > > > possible
> > > > > > > conspiracies and strategies of various players involved in
> > > > > > influencing
> > > > > > > Bangladesh politics in my article published in Daily Naya
> > > > Diganta
> > > > > > and is
> > > > > > > available at the following link:
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> > > > > > > http://www.dailynay adiganta. com/2008/ 10/13/fullnews. asp?
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> > > > > > > I will highly appreciate if you kindly share your views on
> > this
> > > > > > issue.
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> > > > > > > Best regards.
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[mukto-mona] Its not upto the ladies, if we are talking about constructive matters

Its not upto the ladies, if we are talking about constructive matters
Few weeks back we wrote another article with a similar title. This is a followup.

In another article, we said that "It is upto the people who want to take control of their own destiny." It never was upto the ladies, it never is upto the ladies. For details, see this link:
http://bdnokia.blogspot.com/2008/10/nokia-club-bangladesh-its-not-upto.html

Someone reminded that we were wrong. They were saying that it is still upto the ladies.

Yes, we stand corrected. It is still upto the two ladies when it comes to the destruction of Bangladesh.

However, if you are interested about constructive matters like development, education, business, sports - then it is not upto the ladies. It is upto the general people whether they want those. When majority of people will want those, they will act. We will be there beside people then, as we are now. May be we will be much more forcefully then, compared to what we are now!

Could we be wrong? Yes, we could. Only if they started to compete positively - as forcefully as they do on non-sensical matters!

If you thought some of the ideas are worth of your reading time, please forward it to others. If you have an ear to the columnists in regular traditional media, please forward it to them. If you have an ear to the journalists and news editors of the electronic media, discuss it with them. Hope they would look at the suggestions and give due diligence.
 
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[ALOCHONA] The Daily Star-Nielsen Election Opinion Poll 2008

The Daily Star- Nielsen Election Opinion Poll 2008 :97pc feel polls to be free, fair
Fighting inflation, graft, crime should be next govt's prime tasks

 
An overwhelming 96 percent of people want to vote in the next parliamentary election and 86 percent feel that holding the polls on December 18 is very important for the nation, The Daily Star-Nielsen Election Opinion Poll 2008 revealed.

A large number of 97 percent respondents are confident that the upcoming elections will be free and fair.

They also want the next government to make prices of essentials as its prime task as 41 percent of the respondents marked it as the top most priority issue.

The next two issues they feel important to address are corruption (14 percent) and law and order (12 percent).

More female and rural voters tagged inflation as the first priority of the next government than male and urban respondents.

Interestingly, around one in four voters (23 percent) will cast their votes for the first time. Among the new voters, more number of females will be seen in the upcoming election -- 29 percent, compared to the males -- 18 percent.

BACKGROUND
The survey, the first of its kind by The Daily Star and Nielsen, was conducted among 5,040 voters covering 44 districts across Bangladesh. The respondents included equal numbers of males and females living in six divisions -- Dhaka, Chittagong, Khulna, Rajshahi, Barisal and Sylhet. Income wise, the respondents were divided into seven groups -- the lowest range being Tk 1,000 to Tk 5,000 a month and the highest above Tk 100,000.

VOTING INTENTION
The survey revealed there is every possibility that about 37 percent of the voters will swing, with 14 percent already determined that they will not vote for the party they chose in last election and 23 percent have not decided which party to vote for, meaning they could go either way.
 

The Daily Star : Dhaka Friday, November 21, 2008

The Daily Star-Nielsen Election Opinion Poll 2008 reveals there is every possibility that about 37 percent of the voters will swing, with 14 percent already determined that they will not vote for the party they chose in last election and 23 percent have not decided which party to vote for, meaning they could go either way. Among the swing voters, 17 percent of the males and 11 percent of the females intend to swing. And 26 percent of females and 20 percent of males are undecided.

 

Failure of the party to perform in the past is one big reason why they have made their mind to vote for a different party this time. However, the parties have 40 percent of the voters as their solid support base who said they would vote for the same party as in last election. In Khulna where over 51 percent said they will vote for the same party followed by 41 percent in Rajshahi. In Sylhet, only 28 percent said they would vote for the same party.

 

Again, there will be more swing votes in urban areas -- almost 40 percent -- than in rural areas -- 36 percent. While 16 percent of urban voters have already decided to change party, only 13 percent rural voters are so decisive.

 

The survey revealed that voters will be very choosey about who to vote for. Of these who are thinking of changing their votes, the largest segment of the survey -- about 51 percent -- wants to make the voting decision by knowing their candidates' profile. They want to be sure if the candidates are capable of leading them and having positive traits. Next on the list of reasons why voters want to swing is poor performance (31 percent) of the party in the past, perception that the party of choice worked for development (22 percent), and that commodity prices were less before (18 percent).

 

Survey Methodology

The objective of the Daily Star-Nielsen Election Opinion Poll 2008 was carried out to assess the voters' views, concerns and priorities in the coming election and related issues. The study explored the general perception on political situation according to gender, age group, urban-rural and different constitutional setting, socio-economic and geographic divisions.

To ensure that the sample properly represents all possible categories, respondents were selected from the following groups:

Urban and rural areas
Male and female population
Age 18 years and above

Study Design: The sample for the poll covered the entire population residing in private dwellings units in the country. Administratively, Bangladesh is divided into six divisions. In turn, each division is divided into districts, and each district into upazila. Each urban area in the municipality is divided into wards, and into mahallas within the ward. Each rural area in the upazila is divided into union parishad (UP) and into mouzas within UPs. Therefore, Primary Sampling Units (PSUs) were mouza in the rural areas and mohallah in the urban areas. From each PSU, required number of households and respondents were selected randomly. The list of mouzas and mohallas were procured from Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics. Therefore, to capture overall picture of Bangladesh, the poll was carried out in 44 districts, covering all the 6 administrative divisions across Bangladesh.

A target number of completed interviews with eligible adult population were set at 5,040 based on standard statistical formula, both from rural and urban areas. The urban-rural distribution of sample reflects the national pattern of population distribution. The survey was quantitative in nature, interviewed at household level and the survey period was November 4-12, 2008.

In this quantitative approach, face-to-face interviews were conducted using semi-structured questionnaires.

The interviews were done on 168 spots or PSUs covering 44 districts in 90 electoral constituencies. Thirty individuals were interviewed at each spot. The PSUs were chosen using probability random sampling. The 30 eligible respondents were chosen randomly in selected areas with equal ratio of males and females.

The opinion survey strictly adhered to the internationally laid down methodology and ethical standards as specified ub ESINAR (European Society of Opinion and Marketing Research) and standards of Nielsen Worldwide.

Average age of respondents: 36 years, ranging from 18 to 86 years.
Male-Female ratio: 50:50
Literacy range : 67 percent literate, 33 percent not literate, but many can sign names
Rural-urban ratio : 70:30

Confidence in December Election
A large number of respondents -- 81 percent -- said they have full confidence that the upcoming elections will be free and fair. And another 16 percent said they are fairly confident of a good election. And only 2 percent said they have no confidence. The confidence level is higher outside Dhaka division where voters had a recent experience of voting in Mayoral elections in city corporations and Pourashavas. And 83 percent of males are confident compared with 79 percent females; 84 percent rural people are confident about free and fair polls against 75 percent of urban dwellers.

 

Expected Traits of MPs
A look at the performance of the MPs showed that about 36 percent of the respondents were not happy with the way their representatives worked in the past. Interestingly, the swing voter percentage tallies highly with the percentage of voters who are not satisfied with the performance of their MPs.

 

Females were more satisfied with MP performance -- 67 percent -- than the males -- 57 percent. Barisal people are the least satisfied (52 percent). Sylhet respondents were the most satisfied (71 percent).

The mostly quoted traits the respondents want to see in their MPs are honesty, ability to get things done and education.. However, honesty element surpasses other traits by a large gap as 55 percent of respondents opted for it. About 21 percent viewed 'ability to get things done' as the important trait and 17 percent chose education.

 

According to the survey, 18 percent of the rural respondents quoted education as a trait while 15 percent urban respondents picked this trait. As many as 16 percent females voted for education while 17 percent males picked it.

 

Need for Political Reform
A very large percentage of respondents -- 87 percentage -- feel that politics has to be reformed. Only 5 percent believes that the current political reform is on the right track. Among the six divisions, highest 98 percent respondents of Barisal expressed the need for political reforms followed by Sylhet (95 percent). In the poll, 88 percent rural respondents and 86 percent urban respondents felt the need for reforms.

 

Governance System
Asked what kind of governance system they would like to see in Bangladesh, over 81 percent said they want democratic parliamentary system. Males and rural respondents scored higher than females and urban respondents.

 

Only 7 percent respondents said they want the country to be governed by Islamic laws. Only a few favoured the presidential form of government or military rule.

 

Why Democracy Failed to Deliver Sufficiently
The first three most important reasons that the respondents think why democracy failed to sufficiently deliver in the past are corrupt leaders, cronyism and increase in terrorism. However, corruption perception is much larger than the other two factors with 37 percent believing that it had weakened democracy. Among the six divisions, this perception is higher in . Males felt stronger about corruption than women.

About 22 percent believe cronyism and 9 percent think an increase in terrorism has weakened democracy. of terrorism is much higher (20 percent) as the deterrent to democracy in Barisal than in any other divisions followed by Chittagong (12 percent).

 

Responding to the question of what could be done to strengthen democracy, the highest of 13 percent said law and order situation have to be improved. Among them, the Barisal people give the highest 18 percent priority to the issue. Urban people think it is more important an issue than the rural people. Male respondents twice more than the women think it is a vital issue.

 

Removing corruption was next on the list with 10 percent respondents feeling that it must be tackled to improve democracy. Here, division topped the rank with 21 percent making it the number one issue. Women and rural people Consider corruption as a grave issue more than men and urban respondents do.

All parties should work together to strengthen democracy was the third choice with 5 percent opting for it.

Asked about which areas needing urgent reforms, a majority of 47 percent of the voters said law and order as the area needing reforms immediately. Another 39 percent mentioned that reforms in are the most important issues.

Perception about Anticorruption Drive
The survey wanted to see the perception of the respondents about the impact of the ongoing anti-corruption drive. A large section of 76 percent of the respondents said that corruption has decreased as encountered in everyday life. Khulna people scored highest here with 83 percent believing a decrease in graft followed by Rajshahi (81 percent) while Barisal respondents gave a comparatively low score of 69 percent. Rural people and males scored higher than urban and females.

 

However, 16 percent found an increase in corruption and 8 percent opined no change in the degree of the vice. The respondents of Barisal were the highest (24 percent) to say corruption has increased while Khulna recorded the lowest score of 11 percent giving the decreased percentage find. The perception difference between was high here with 19 percent females saying corruption has increased while only 12 percent males thought so.

 

Asked whether the ACC should continue its anti-corruption drive, about all of the respondents - 96 percent said they want the anti-graft drive to continue and only 2 percent replied in the negative. In Barisal, almost 100 percent answered 'yes'.

System
Despite the lengthy stay of the current system and the problems created by the one headed by President , 65 percent people want the system to continue in future. Chittagong scored the highest followed by Rajshahi.

Over 32 percent of the respondents however said they do not want the caretaker government system to continue in future. From Sylhet, 55 percent respondents said they want the system to be discarded.

 

Banning of Hartal, Student Politics and Parliament Boycott
Respondents were asked about their opinion on a few issues that have been in discussion over the years such as hartal, parliament boycott and student politics. An overwhelming 96 percent said hartal should be banned. Over 71 percent were against parliament boycott and 65 percent opposed partisan student politics. Barisal respondents held very strong sentiments against hartal (99 percent) and parliament boycott (95 percent).

Interestingly again, rural respondents were more against hartal, parliament boycott and student politics than urban dwellers. Female respondents were significantly more against student politics and hartal.

 

 

 








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