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[ALOCHONA] Pakistan disbands political wing of spy agency

Pakistan disbands political wing of spy agency

By Zeeshan Haider
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan's eight-month-old civilian government has disbanded the political wing of the military intelligence agency ISI to concentrate its focus on counter-terrorism, the foreign minister said on Sunday.
 
The support and cooperation of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Directorate is regarded as vital to the West in fighting the threat of al Qaeda globally, and defeating the Taliban insurgency in neighbouring Afghanistan.
But critics call it a "state within a state", and Pakistan's civilian leaders have regularly accused its political wing of involvement in the overthrow of their governments. Neighbouring Afghanistan and India view the ISI with great distrust.
 
Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said the ISI's political wing had been disbanded, and described it as a "positive development". "ISI is a precious national institution and it wants to focus fully on counter-terrorism activities," the state-run Associated Press of Pakistan quoted him as saying.
The report did not say when the decision was taken.
 
The army has ruled Pakistan for more than half its history since 1947. Consequently, issues related to the military are closely watched in the region as well as by nuclear-armed Pakistan's Western allies.
 
MILITARY PUSHED BACK
The latest chapter of military rule ended with the defeat of parties loyal to former army chief Pervez Musharraf in polls in February, and Musharraf's resignation as president in August.
 
His successor as president, Asif Ali Zardari, and Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani signalled their intention to exert more control over the ISI in July, but backtracked from an attempt to bring it under the ambit of the Interior Ministry.
 
Senior officials say army chief General Ashfaq Kayani, who himself served as ISI head, has been supportive of Pakistan's return to civilian-led democracy while insisting that the army must look after its own affairs.Since becoming army chief in November last year, Kayani has taken several steps to take the army out of politics, including ordering all officers out of civilian posts and barring them from meeting politicians.He appointed a new ISI chief in September and replaced several senior officers.
 
The political wing was established by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, Pakistan's first popularly elected prime minister, in the 1970s. Bhutto was toppled and hanged by the military in the late 1970s.His daughter Benazir Bhutto had also accused ISI officials of conspiring to destabilise her two governments in the 1990s.
She was assassinated in December last year campaigning for election, but her husband, Zardari, led her Pakistan Peoples Party to victory.
 
GREATER RESPECT?
Security analysts said the decision was good for the ISI."The involvement of ISI in politics has been a major controversy in Pakistan. This decision will help it in earning respect in the eyes of people of Pakistan, particularly at a time when it is facing the major challenge of terrorism," former army general-turned-analyst Talat Masood said.
 
The ISI is known to have wielded great influence on foreign and security policies, especially towards India and Afghanistan.It played a key role in distributing arms and money, covertly supplied by the United States and Saudi Arabia, to Islamist guerrilla groups for a jihad, or holy war, against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s.Critics say the ISI was also instrumental in creating the Taliban movement in Afghanistan in the 1990s.
Pakistan officially stopped backing the Taliban after becoming a U.S. ally in 2001, and the ISI has helped the United States eliminate hundreds of al Qaeda fighters since then.
 
But the agency, or at least agents within it, are often accused of playing a double game and treating the Afghan Taliban and some jihadi groups as assets rather than enemies.
 
Some members of Pakistan's security apparatus regard these militants groups as tools to gain leverage in Afghanistan and Indian Kashmir in the long term, according to analysts.
 
The United States is believed to have privately urged the new government to rein in the ISI, particularly in the wake of a suicide attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul last July.Washington demanded that Pakistan investigate Indian and Afghan accusations that the ISI was involved in the attack, which Pakistan denied.
 

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[ALOCHONA] Bangladesh Poll 2008: Stage One

Bangladesh Poll 2008: Stage One

 
By Dr Abdul Ruff Colachal
 
It looks bright the land of Bangali language, Bangladesh, is beginning to breathe fresh air politically and the major political wings and the government are on compromise notes about the need to conduct the poll to put in place an elected government to run the country for the welfare of the people alone.
The interim government in Bangladesh has called a parliamentary vote for Dec. 18 to end nearly two years of emergency rule, imposed after scheduled elections were delayed due to political violence. The interim government has announced that general elections will be held as planned on 18 December. It said it had decided to keep to the date after failing to persuade political parties to drop their differences over the schedule.

A total of 107 political parties had applied to the EC for registration. Meanwhile, the EC has declared 37 registered political parties eligible to contest the upcoming election. The number is significantly less than the previous elections because of the strict provision for political parties' registering with the EC. Ninety-six parties took part in the 2001 parliamentary polls. 13 November would be the deadline for nominations. Since January 2007, Bangladesh has been run by a military-backed interim government, which promised to curb corruption and hold free elections.

Gesture of goodwill

To the credit of the caretaker government it should be said that the leaders political leaders have come together to wish each another well on the poll eve. Former Prime-ministers Sheikh Hasina and Begum Khaleda Zia, dubbed the "battling begums" for their long-running enmity, exchanged good wishes for the first time in 18 years at a military ceremony on 21 Nov Friday. Both Hasina and Khaleda last sat down together in 1990 while they jointly led a people's revolt to oust military ruler Hossain Mohammad Ershad. They shook hands, smiled and spoke during Armed Forces Day at the Dhaka army barracks and were applauded by guests, including top officials of the army-backed interim government. Armed Forces Day marks the founding of the Bangladesh Army after Bangladesh won independence from Pakistan in 1971.

Dilemma

Bangladesh Election Commission is mulling to put back the already delayed national elections by 10 days provided former Prime Minister Khaleda Zia's Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP)-led four-party alliance commits to participate. Election Commissioner Muhammed Sohul Hussain is not averse for a compromise shifting the poll Dec 18 to Dec 28 if the four-parties decide to participate. The Election Commission sat with Zia to work out details of the poll date. Hasina said the poll body should work out the details with Zia and there was no need for a separate meting with her alliance. Awami League (AL) is in favor of polls. The interim government cancelled elections due to be held in January last year.

Rivals

Bangladesh's former Prime Minister Khaleda Zia has now announced that her BNP will take part in next month's elections. She says her party will not boycott the 18 December vote as long as it is put back by 10 days. The government has already agreed to that in principle. Ms Zia had called on the caretaker government to delay elections by a month and lift its state of emergency, but it refused to do either.

Its main rival, the Awami League, has said it will take part in the vote. Hasina, who heads the Awami League, and Khaleda, leader of the Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP), shape as the main candidates for the December vote, although Khaleda has called for a delay.

Legitimacy & Credible candidates

Earlier, the BNP had threatened to boycott the poll unless emergency rule is lifted. The government also refused to suspend the state of emergency which was imposed in January 2007 after months of unrest. A BNP boycott would be a serious blow to the government's pledge that the elections will be the fairest in the country's history. Without the participation of former Prime Minister Khaleda Zia's party, many would doubt its legitimacy. The BNP and its allies won a two-thirds majority in the last elections in 2001 and the party remains popular - but during the two-year rule of the caretaker government it has been seriously weakened.

Finding credible new candidates to fill their places is proving difficult. Khaleda and Hasina were both arrested last year for alleged corruption. They were released after a year in jail to persuade their parties to take part in the elections. Awami League leader Sheikh Hasina and BNP leader Khaleda Zia face rumblings of discontent against their leadership from within their respective parties. Now the two main parties, the Bangladesh Nationalist Party and the AL, have resumed political activities.

Many of its leaders, including Khaleda Zia and her two sons, were accused of corruption and jailed. She was then freed on bail, but about 50 others are still behind bars. Bangladesh's other main party, the Awami League, was less affected by the anti-corruption drive, even though its leader Sheikh Hasina was also jailed for a while. It agreed to participate in the elections and has for some time been confident of winning.

Foreign Interference

Last week, Sam Gejdenson, a former U.S. Congressman and board member of the Washington-based watchdog National Democratic Institute, called for the military to "refrain from intervening in the political and electoral process". The NDI suggested against deploying troops at polling centres. Bangladesh's Election Commission has dismissed calls by a U.S.-based electoral watchdog for the military to refrain from intervening in the country's political process. Election Commissioner Sakhawat Hossain responded saying: "NDI interfered in the country's internal affairs directly giving their statement about the electoral process. They have no right to make any comment on our internal matters". Army chief General Moeen U. Ahmed has said the military would help in the efforts to restore democracy.

One still fails to grasp the policy line of the USA with its double-standards in its approach and statements. When India conducted the poll in Jammu Kashmir under military occupation, the USA did not make any objections to that. Not even the UN objected officially to that, even when its chief visited India recently on the poll eve. India added more troops from India to its contingents in Kashmir and deployed them street by street and at all polling stations.


Bangladesh: Where heading for?

Bangladesh parliament currently has 345 members including 45 reserved seats for women, elected from single-member constituencies. The Prime Minister, as the head of government, forms the cabinet and runs the day-to-day affairs of state. While the Prime Minister is formally appointed by the President, he or she must be an MP who commands the confidence of the majority of parliament. The President is the head of state, a largely ceremonial post elected by the parliament.

Bangladesh came into existence in 1971 as India wanted to split Pakistan into two and control the emergent Bangladesh and use it against Pakistan- both are Islamic republics. However, Bangladesh realizing the Indian hidden agenda for the region, began pursing independent polices that irritated India. The borders of present-day Bangladesh were established with the partition of Bengal and India in 1947, when the region became the eastern wing of the newly-formed Pakistan. However, it was separated from the western wing by 1,600 kilometers across India. Political and linguistic discrimination as well as economic neglect led to popular agitations against West Pakistan, which led to the war for independence in 1971 and the establishment of Bangladesh, with the help of India. However, the new state had to endure famines, natural disasters and widespread poverty, as well as political turmoil and military coups. The restoration of democracy in 1991 has been followed by relative stability and economic progress.

Bangladesh is among the most densely populated countries in the world and has a high poverty rate. The government is a parliamentary democracy with Islam as the state religion; however, political rule has been suspended under emergency law since January 11, 2007. Bangladesh is a member of the Commonwealth of Nations, SAARC, BIMSTEC, the OIC, and the D-8. As the World Bank notes in its July 2005 Country Brief, the country has made significant progress in human development in the areas of literacy, gender parity in schooling and reduction of population growth. In 1974 Bangladesh joined both the Commonwealth of Nations and the United Nations and has since been elected to serve two terms on the Security Council in 1978-1979 and 2000–2001. In the 1980s, Bangladesh played a lead role in founding the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) in order to expand relations with other South Asian states. Since the founding of SAARC 1985, a Bangladeshi has held the post of Secretary General on two occasions.

The country has a long-running reputation for political animosity and deep-seated corruption. The current caretaker administration, backed by the military, has pledged to eradicate corruption. Many analysts say the government is determined to destroy the political power of the two women as part of its drive for political reform. By the time the state of emergency was declared in January, the public had also become fed up with the constant bickering and street-fighting between the two main political parties.

The former prime ministers and leaders of the two main parties, Khaleda Zia and Sheikh Hasina are released now. Khaleda Zia and Sheikh Hasina have dominated Bangladeshi politics for many years. Both have alternated as prime minister since 1991. They are bitter rivals and barely speak to each other. Their mutual loathing is reflected among their respective sets of supporters. As a result, political life has been marked by, at best, ceaseless bickering. Released now from jails, they were in custody, charged with extorting money when they were in power.

Khaleda Zia has been charged with corruption in relation to the choice of who should run two state-run container depots during her second term in office as prime minister. Earlier this year she was charged with tax evasion. Sheikh Hasina faces a new charge of taking illegal payments of some $435,000 from an electricity company. She is already under investigation for extortion and murder. Both leaders deny any wrongdoing.

Post-script

The caretaker government had elections would be held only once it had rid the country of corruption, but it is under compulsion by the political wings to go for polls on account of rising prices, which is universal now. The government as well the EC has pledged that the elections will be the fairest in the country's history. The new date of polling may well be Dec 28, after the date decided earlier, Dec 18, became a subject of bargaining between the caretaker government on one side and Zia's Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP) on the other. Awami League chief Hasina had insisted on the earlier date, but has now accepted a ten-day deferment to ensure an all-in poll exercise. Khaleda Zia's decision to take part removes the last major obstacle to the polls being free, fair and credible, though the BNP is revving up for the parliamentary polls now that its chairperson has formally announced the four-party alliance would join the election if it is held on December 28. However since there is still time for poll preparations, either date should not the real issue now.

With major political hurdles - the poll date controversy and a meeting between two principal contenders for power, former Prime Ministers Sheikh Hasina and Khaleda Zia - removed from its path, as the first step towards the poll, Bangladesh appears to be well on its way to have its delayed ninth general election this year-end. Notwithstanding the poll date fixation, the poll is final. The BNP and its allies met Election Commission officials on Friday and reiterated Khaleda's demand that the poll be delayed until Dec. 28.

Both parties have been preoccupied with preparation of lists of candidates to contest the elections. They are share seats with their allies. Zia has earmarked 50 seats for her allies, a conglomerate of Islamist parties led by the Jamaat-e-Islami. BNP high-command has already prepared a list of prospective candidates for around 200 constituencies.

Although it is advantageous for Awami League which has won the recent local polls, poll fortunes could shift depending on the course of the campaign. The BNP remains popular but has become weak and divided during the past two years. But if one takes into account the contributions made by these two leaders, both on foreign and domestic affairs, the BNP takes a front seat. Whether this means Khaleda Zia is more likely to be elected prime minister for a fourth time is doubtful. Recent Presidential poll Maldives clearly illustrates that election outcomes cannot be predicted perfectly even by the voters themselves. Both parties said it is imperative to lift the state of emergency to make the upcoming election credible. BNP said as a pro-election party it wants to contest in the poll, but an atmosphere conducive to holding a credible election has not yet been created as the military backed caretaker government has not yet met any of its seven demands.

Poll campaign as well as the polling would chart out the political struggle among the parties to capture power in Bangladesh. Bangladesh has a tradition of the loser not accepting the poll verdict, taking to the streets and boycotting parliament. Hopefully, Bangladesh will go to polls in a free atmosphere without emergency rule. Also, hopefully, Bangladesh leaders would strive for a corruption free society for which the nation has undergone turmoil and even lost several lives. Bangladesh has to evolve itself as a model Islamic society. World is looking forward to seeing a strong, prosperous Bangladesh.

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DR.ABDUL RUFF Colachal
Independent Researcher in International Affairs,
South Asia
E Mail : abdulruff_jnu@yahoo.com
http://newsfrombangladesh.net/view.php?hidRecord=232936

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[ALOCHONA] Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in Prothom Alo

Bangladesh has a lot higher Literacy Rate than Pakistan if a Mosque Imam can be 8th Grade pass. I watched on TV in USA, a Western Journalist with a Translator in a Religious School (MuDrissaa) in Pakistan, asking the Teacher, "What's 8 x 8 ?"
The Teacher could not tell.
Allaho Akbar ...!
Pakistan ZinDaabaaD ...!

--- On Thu, 11/20/08, Cyrus <thoughtocrat@yahoo.com> wrote:

Mr. Iqbal...I really enjoyed reading your response!!
 
The self-proclaimed Human Rights Advocate, whose opinions show utter lack of knowledge of history, both Islamic as well as of other civilizations, and no realization that Lalon was a great Sufi mystic, a criminalized and persecuted Muslim group. Sufiism is part of our history....it is a part of Islamic history, and must be protected at all costs.
 
"Blind uncultured mass"? Oh the audacity! The only one blinded by ignorance disguised as "faith" is Mr. Mufassil Islam, who obviously doesn't understand much about Islam or its rich and diverse culture. I find it amusing and ironic that Mr. Islam's lacks any understanding of Islamic history and the Islamic philosphy. That's a thought! 
 
Anyways....keep writing Mr. Iqbal.
 
Cheers,
Cyrus


From: ANWAR IQBAL <Anwariqbal@yahoo. com>
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:32:26 PM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in Prothom Alo

Mr. Mufassil Islam;

At the end of this letter, I have pasted a copy of an article that was sent to me by a friend who lives in Germany . This is related to the subject of your conversation.  Please review this and give us your words of wisdom on that article.

 

Beyond that, I would like to add some of my own thoughts on this.

 

So called Islamic intellectuals with their bigotry, myopic visions and immense disrespect to other civilizations and cultures have given Islam and the Muslims a bad name today. Many of those intellectuals grew up receiving Islamic teachings from Class 8 pass mullahs. Some of them obviously obtained higher education beyond village Moktobs. That however, did not clear the brain washing they received during their childhood. These are the people who we find relentlessly trying to force their version of Islam through our throats.

 

View points expressed by intellectuals such as yourself strikes me to the fact that you all believe your perception is always superior to that of the rest who hold a different opinion on the same subject matter. I do not know you and you surely do not know me. Therefore, in reading my writing you can always blow me away as another idiot trying to sound smart. But in the case of Humayun Ahmed who is a PhD, an established author and a respected retired university teacher, how could you even think that you can surpass his intellectual abilities with yours? Why makes you think you know better than him? Yet better why do think you know better than anyone else. Your mindset suggests that all those people who are in favor of the statues are nothing but ignorant morons. What makes you develop such disrespect for others around you? You are asking people to not to do something that other people want to do. And in doing so they are not even harming anyone. This shows the general intolerance from people of your types to the rest who holds harmless opposing views. This is the root of all problems for the entire civilization today. This is the cause of all the wars (justified or not) and this is the cause why there is the continuous tension between your type of Muslims and the rest of World.

 

Let's go back to your mail; Egypt may not be a good (!) Islamic Country in your definition, but have you thought about the Holy land of Saudi Arabia and how blindly we perform some acts in our religion that supports idolatry. Think about the ritual of stoning the "Iblis" during Hajj? Are those stone models of "Iblis" not idols in your definition? Do not forget that this ritual of stoning is a mere carry over of the traditional Hajj ritual celebrated in Mecca prior to Islam when they worshiped the Statue of Allah inside the Harem Sharif.  

 

People like you keep people like us scared and makes us worried about the future of our dear motherland. Not too long ago, Mullah Omar came to power with Taliban in Afghanistan with your type of values and ideas. Besides other valuable relics and artifacts of immense historic importance, they destroyed 2000 years old statue of Buddha which is not only a loss of History and tradition for the Afghans but also an irreparable loss for the whole mankind. In your letter, you said, "Human nature does not evolve with time. It is static", if you really feel that to be true, you and your types should move into the caves and "Be modern and seal all means of deviation and use your intellect to worship the Almighty - not using dead idols."

 

While reading your mail, I took a curious interest in your title "A human Rights Advocate". Based on the contents of your typical writings, I think you believe "your type of fundamentalist Muslims" is the only humans as you continuously advocate for them. Please do not forget there are other humans who follow the same religion with a much open mind or of different cultures and some of different religions. I think you should separate yourself from those "inferior" humans and revise your title slightly to call yourself "A Mullah and a fundamentalist Muslim Human Rights Advocate."

 

Anwar

 
Lalon sculpture at Dhaka Airport : Demolition fanfare by the bigots ......
 
<SPANLalon src="http:// media1.somewhere inblog.net/ /images/thumbs/ banglarjoy_ 1224248015_ 1-lalon_statue. jpg" width=400>
The statues being pulled down: Image credit BanglarChokh
 
 Mannequins in Macca
This picture is from a store in a mall located within 100 yrds of  Kabba Sharif. Many stores
in this mall displys different kinds of  Mannequins to attract customes to sell products, just
as you would see in any modern mall all over the world. [some even shows  "naked"
female breasts to display bra & brief sets, similar to the picture:
 
If you have visited Macca lately, you must have noticed that space around Kabba at
Masjid-al-Haram is now sorrounded by world class 5-star hotels and a very large western
style shopping malls. Now when you walk out of the Al-haram, all you see is malls and big
hotels.  Makkah is supposed to be a place of spirituality, not materialism.  Any kind of
spiritual benefit one gets from the Kaba gets easily lost the second he/she step out and
walk into these buildings.  All you see is people eating, buying, selling, you totally don't
feel like you are in Mecca.  Many people, go to Hajj taking it as if it is some kind of
vacation area, people want the best hotel, the best food, drink, comfort etc.  You must be
personally knowing Hajis who took advantages of cheaper gold in Makka and Madina.  

Masjid al-Haram in May 2007, Mecca [ see the high rise malls and hotels in the
background skyline] Have you ever seen the Jamaatis and bigots like  Mufti Fazlul
Hoq Amini or Saikhul Hadis Ajijul Haq ever protesting these "un-Islamic" practices
in Macca [Saudi arabia] ?
 
The Lalon sculpture is very much consistent with the tradition and culture of
Bangladesh. If use of  Mannequins can be approved in Macca Malls, why there is
so much fuss about the Lalon Sculpture at the Air Port? It is another FACE of
POLITICAL ISLAM i.e the use of religion for political purposes !


--- On Sun, 11/9/08, mufassil islam <mufassili@hotmail. com> wrote:
From: mufassil islam <mufassili@hotmail. com>
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in Prothom Alo
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 8:05 AM

Again..the statutes are not representative of any modern art. This is the most ancient form of art in human history which culminated from idol worshipping pagan societies. We do not want people - especially naitives of a simple-minded society to be dragged into the vortex of justifying idolatry in any form or shape. The regime in Egypt is not any way Islamic and human rights record in suppressing democratic norms in that country is appalling. The Islamic scholars of Bengal is way far wiser than many Arabs and exceptions do not make laws. When world is moving ahead in art and culture in various electronic medias - we are bogged down in static idolisation of so called great leaders. When Moses was away - the Bible and Quran (Exodus and Bakara) say that the followers started worshipping the Cow. Please read the context. Human nature does not evolve with time. It is static. Be modern and seal all means of deviation and use your intellect to worship the Almighty - not using dead idols. You idolise Greats in minds - not by building statutes. The right salute to them is to fight and strive for the cause they are respected for. You democratic modern people - let's suggest a final solution - democratically. Let's have a poll. I bet most of us will condemn this culture. Now will you condemn our blind uncultured mass? Well - that's democracy - mass rules - learn to live with it.
 
Mufassil Islam
Human Rights Advocate




To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
From: anwarshafqat@ hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:40:34 +0000
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in Prothom Alo


I live in Cairo, the capital of an important Muslim country and there are statues of many Egyptian personalities of
the Islamic era in various street junctions. The same I have seen in Malaysia where statues of the national personalities
are erected in various places.  

I do not think that a close minded conservative approach will take us anywhere ! The world is moving ahead whereas
we are thinking backwards. The sermons of ill informed and almost uneducated religious preachers cannot be the
yardstick of judging what is right or wrong in a modern 21st century society.

Regards,
Shafqat

To: abdurrazzaq1949@ hotmail.com; hgas@northsouth. edu
From: sahannan@sonarbangl adesh.com
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:56:04 -0700
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in Prothom Alo


 
 
 
 
 
Dear members,
 
Assalamu Alaikum A question has been sent to me to give my opinion on the one -column article of Humayun Ahmad, a well-known novelist of Bangladesh I feel that Humayun ahmad sahib has done injustice to Islam, Muslim and himself.My points are as follows:-( Those who know Bangla can read the attached articlein Bangla.Those who do not know, there is no problem as I have taken his point of view  in my submissions  )
 
!.He says that some madrasah student shouted and government backed down on statue issue and removed the under-constuction statue of a  famous poet and Baul Lalon Shah.This is not true that a few Madrasah students protested..Al leasr 50 million Muslims in two hundred thousand  masjids heard Khutba ( speech of Imam) of prayer leader in Juma congregation on last friday condeming statue making.
 
As against that I have seen human chains, one of 25 people and another of 15 teachers, may be there were a few others.It clearly reflects public opinion.
 
2.He has tried to justify staue making and honoring them in the name of Islam.He says that Prophet (sm) did not erase the picture of Maryam  from the wall of Kaba when he destroyed other idols of kabah..Is it any justification for statue makinf or placing them in public places for reminding heritage?.At the most it can be said that the Prophet honored the existing picture of the mother of Isa (AS)and it will not be proper for Muslims to break  statues existing before the advent of Islam of  religious personages.
 
Mr Ahmad has said from Bukhari that Ayesha used to play with dolls and Prophet (sm ) did not stop her.It at the most proves that small dolls are permissible for children as Imam Shawkani and Dr Qaradawi have said( Al Halal wal Haram Fil Islam by Dr Qaradawi) It does not prove that statue making and honoring them are permissible.
He failed  to mention numerous Hadith in Bukhari and other Hadith books which say that those who make statue are cursed and  will not enter Jannah.
3.We do not know whether  there are half statues of three poets and saints in Iran.However we know that all statues of Shah of Iran were destroyed by the people after his fall and nostatue was made of Imam Khomeni.
Even if some statues are there, these are violations.We should take notice that there is no statue our Prophet, or Sahabi or khalifas of Rashidun or Abbasid or Umayyad period, not even of Moghul rulers or Sultans of Bengal. 
4.About Greek statue in Libiya it is also of Pre-Islamic period , may be it was not broken for some reasons but the Libiyans did not erect new statues.
5 About destruction of Buddha statue in Afganistan , Al-Azhar, OIC ,Qaradawi condemned the destruction of this old pre-islamic statue of Buddha. This does not mean that Islam likes statues and we should start making statues of our leaders, Imams and Sahabis and Khalifas and place them in public places.
 
6.Mr Humayun Ahmad's  piece is an emotional and one-sided and surely mis-interpretation of Islam.
 
Shah Abdul Hannan
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Omar
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:27 PM
Subject: Article _Humaun Ahmed

Dear Sir
Assalamu Alaikum.
 
I am sharing with you a bangla article of Humaun Ahmed published in the Prothom Alo on 27.10.08. What is your comment on this?
 
Omar bissas.



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RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: Will Bangladesh Jamaat's killing spree be muffled for the election?

Dear All,

I think we should strive better to move forward with all accommodations possible. That does not necessarily mean that the people who in the past, shedded, turnished or pondered the lives, sanctity, funds, privileges, or the rights of the commoners can be included in the accommodation. They must be identified and with due process be tried for their crimes. Criminals may never be allowed any mercy. If it is done, the confidence of the public to who, in power diminishes. So, framing the laws, rules and acts are not onbly the responsibility of the Government and Law-Makers; but the implementation is crucial. This does not happen well in Bangladesh and that is the main reason for all kinds of anarchy and criminality. The anarchs and criminals know ahead of time that they can ultimately be getting away with punishments for their misdeeds. Jamat and Nizam's killers during liberation got away with, Bakshal's tyrants got awayw with, Zia's inclusion of religious fanatics in politics and power got away with, Ershad' kukarmos got away with, AL's recent mass vandalism got away with, BNP's ultra superior hoarding including Mr. 10% got duly away with, all street corner hudlooms and all community chadabuzes are getting away with everyday, millions of taka's bribing are still being transacted everywhere with-to-&-by all sensible people. Moulobadis are spreading unfounded hates against secularists all over in the country. The musclemen are still quite capable of mobilizing their power and bring people in their tents. So, where is the level plainfield, to play the fair game? The current CTG and their backer Army tried to clean some of the messes but surely failed.

These are certainly the serious obstacles to move our country towards stability and prosperity. But if we give up the hopes and just remain inactive, these evil powers will grow more. All clean (I mean not having the record of past criminality) sensible patriotic Bangladeshis (at home & abroad) must create a leveled plainfield where the people of all spectrum (again excluding those are not clean) can participate with their utmost efforts to help the country's progress and prosperity, in whatever way possible. Only an election, and bringing the old folks with criminal records, in power, will not really give anything to the country. Election is necessary but the nominations shall be controlled by whatever process (by primary, by court, by some commission, or whatever) possible such that the people who pondered the country once can not come to power again, to do it more and more.

Thanks and have a great day.

Regards,
KR


To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: maqsudo@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:12:14 +0000
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: Will Bangladesh Jamaat's killing spree be muffled for the election?

RE: Masud, Seattle
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Many thanks...for your precious reminder, to do something for the country.
Fortunately, while making angry remarks on this site, I do contribute .....few little things...
to bring some happiness to the lives of few ordinary Bdeshis.
I also encourage my friends to get involved in chahrity + voluntary work, while giving big lectures on numerous topics.
I always wonder, how much difference, we Bangladeshi expatriates can make, if we JUST contribute $10 a month....
to useful projects in Bdesh, managed by wise , efficient and honest people?

Many thanks.

Khoda hafez.
dr. maqsud omat








To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: cliff_deba@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:23:42 -0800
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: Will Bangladesh Jamaat's killing spree be muffled for the election?

Every man is a philosopher, and a coin has two sides....or much can be said from both side. But one thing can be said from all sides, and no justification is required behind letting Jamat in our country and taking the secularism out of our constituion. This alone qualifies and justifies zia and ershad capital punishment...killed the complete sense or essence of our liberation war.
 
Clifford Gonsalves

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, Masud Rana <sonarbangla08@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Masud Rana <sonarbangla08@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: Will Bangladesh Jamaat's killing spree be muffled for the election?
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 4:16 PM

Re: Dr. Maqsud
 
Dr. Maqsud:
 
Some of your reactions to others are quite pointed and full of anger.  I wonder by unleashing your anger without having to justify our reasons in a reserved manner would do any good to anyone to influence anyone's opinions or beliefs.  Either you have a Ph.D. or you are a medical doctor and as such you are, no doubt, highly educated.  Perhaps, it would help, if nothing else, to channel our anger in a constructive manner.
 
All these discussions here do very little to actually do something good to our country, which we need right now. 
 
Why don't we really do something for our country to meke it better and not resort to our endless bickering about who did what, who was what.
 
Masud
Seattle

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, maqsud omaba <maqsudo@hotmail. com> wrote:
From: maqsud omaba <maqsudo@hotmail. com>
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: Will Bangladesh Jamaat's killing spree be muffled for the election?
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 10:28 AM

re: AL thugs of 1971
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no...no....not every body, who fought in liberation war were thugs...some were.

Zia is one of the brightest star in our short history, a powerful general and president who did not allow his family + relatives
to benefit in any form/manner/ way.

An honest person, who did not steal 1 Tk. from anybody/ anywhere.

A man with vision, who spent hours with ordinary people in the country side.

A true patriot who worked hard to improve the quality of life for common men/women.

A dedicated soldier, who left home, leaving behind his family, to lead the liberation force.

He was not a moron, like many many present /past AL politicians.

Best wishes.

dr. maqsud omar







To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
From: m_musa92870@ yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:39:57 +0000
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Will Bangladesh Jamaat's killing spree be muffled for the election?

Re: M. Omar
"the style of AL thugs in 1971"? …. I think by saying this you have truly exposed yourself.  It reminds me of the crooked BNP-Jamaat politicians who are now questioning the election result of 1970.  So all our leaders (including many currently in BNP and JP) in 1971, soldiers including Ziaur Rahman, and muktijoddhas were either AL thugs or blindly followed the AL thugs according to your ridiculous and outrageous statement.  Do you remember the munafiqs during the prophets (SA) time?  They were the ones who outwardly declared shahada and assured the Muslims that they were with them, but during the time of need worked against the Muslims.  Jamaat did exactly the same.  They didn't just have different political opinions about the liberation war, they fought against the freedom fighters.  They thought the Pak army was going to win.  They formed paramilitary terrorist organization with the help of Pakistani military.  They killed and raped civilians, and aided the Pakistani army in doing the same.  They are the ones who planned and carried out the intellectual murders in Dec, 1971.  Just reading their newspaper Daily Sangram from Mar 26 thru Dec 16, 1971 will give you some idea.  No matter how twisted way you defend them, the stench of your argument won't sway the public sentiment. 
Most of the people (except the so called grass roots activists of the political parties) in Bangladesh want to see the corrupt politicians in jail.  Nobody is denying the damages done by all the political parties over the years.  But they also want the trial for war crimes committed by Jamaat's top leadership simultaneously.  As Mr. Cyrus put it very nicely, there are two different issues here.  Honestly speaking, both need to be addressed.  But based on your argument we should only focus on BNP, JP and AL, and leave Jamaat alone.  As far as I remember from your past writings, you still grumble about the 1972-1975 AL period.  Is 1971 too far from 1972? 
In addition to 1971 war crimes, Jamaat jointly ruled the country with BNP from 2001–2006.  How many of the wrong things and corruption cases that happened during that period did Jamaat protest?  Zero.  Did they resign from the government or did they even contemplate doing that? Nope.  Just read any newspaper during that period.  Jamaat enthusiastically defended every action of BNP.  Why wouldn't they?  They were part of that government too.  The number of one enemy of Islam are the people who have outward religious appearance and activities, but whose evil actions and words turn others away from Islam. 
The same corrupt and gutless politicians will keep coming back, because Jamaat showed them how to get away with vicious crimes.  And people like you make it even easier, because the corrupt politicians know there are people out there who will support or defend them no matter what.
Mohammad Musa Sarkar
--- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, maqsud omaba <maqsudo@...> wrote:
>
>
> Re: cyrus
> ------------ -
>
>
> many thanks...for your well-written, to the point letter.
>
> i am not prepared to accept the fact that people who critisizes Jamaat, equally critisized other corrupt politicians. ....that hasn't been my experience.
>
> The magnitude of colourful criticism of Jamaat acclerated.. ...when the CTG was trying to expose some of the top AL, BNP politicians + other
> corrupt elements! What a co-incidence! ...Is it not a " smoke screen"
>
> If you truly understand the process of democracy and want to practise that.......why do you want to attack anybody/everybody ...who has different opinion about our leadership during liberation war, who preferred independence through other means, who did not like the style of AL thugs
> in 1971, who nourishes different political views than you do?!
>
> You have totally avoided making comments about my Q.......how much damages Jamaat has caused,,,, and how much damages AL, BNP and others
> contributed in the past ?
>
> AL, BNP +other corrupt politicians have created a society..... .where violence, corruption, immorality are beyond control now.
> who will fix sickness in our community now? How?
>
> Can you please explain...why we need to bring ..the same corrupt,gut- less politicians. .. back to power again?
>
> Why have you concluded... that I think I am the only good guy to contribute to the community!!
>
> I didn't.
>
> We should spend more time + energy to fix our problems in Bdesh and take positive steps to create a CLEAN, DEDICATED, CARING society....
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> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> From: thoughtocrat@ ...
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:21:47 -0800
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Will Bangladesh Jamaat's killing spree be muffled for the election?
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> Dr. Omar:
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> I think you are mixing up two issues here. One is Jamaat's past, it's well-known opposition to our independence and sovereignty, and its destructive and extremist activities that is contrary to the secular constitution that we hold true. It is about Jamaat's unrepentance, and the justice that was never delivered on behalf of the people. The other issues is AL, BNP, JP, et. al. who have bankrupted this country through corruption, misdeeds, violence, and failed policies. The two issues are not the same.
>
> Sir, it is also careless to say that people who advocate against Jamaat are "either naive/paid agents/or simply stupid". I personally take offense in your comment, as I write frequently against Jamaat.....as well as against AL, BNP, JP and their moral bankruptcy. I suggest that you read the past postings of those who speak against Jamaat, and I am sure you would find that most of them also speak against the maladies of our current political atmosphere.
>
> No one has ever suggested that if one is a proud and pious muslim, one is automatically a fanatic or jamaat supporter. On the same note, no one has tried to create "smoke screens" for AL, BNP, JP et. al. It is a discourse, whether you like it or not, and we all are entitled to our opinions as well as our political convictions.
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> I am always skeptical about self-proclaimed "contributors" to Bangladeshi community, both in BD and abroad. But I am glad that you find solace in your work for the community, and I am sure the community appreciates it too. But, it is rather naive and narcissistic to assume that you are the only who contributes to the betterment of the community, and those who write here against Jamaat do not. As far as I can tell, you have no knowledge of the background of frequent writers here, including Ms. Farida Majid, and I doubt that you have examined whether these people have made any positive contribution to our community everywhere. Lastly, your comment about "paid agent" is irresponsible and has the ring of "McCarthyism" , and in our context those labels show lack of judgment on your part.
>
> I look forward to your continued contribution to this forum.
>
> Sincerely,
> Cyrus
>
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> From: maqsud omaba maqsudo@...
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Friday, November 7, 2008 2:22:41 AM
> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Will Bangladesh Jamaat's killing spree be muffled for the election?
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> ATTN. Farida Majid
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> You and few other " elite intellectuals " often write about jamaat....their wrong philosophy, aggressive manners, cruel activities, etc.
>
> have you ever asked yourself, how much damage Jamaat has done...to Bangladesh; and how much damage AL + BNP + ershad + beauracrats
> + politicians have caused since Jan, 1972??
>
> The answer will be simple, clear and shattering.
>
> People like you , who are always yelling about Jamaat's destructive activities, are either naive / paid agents/ or simple stupid.
> It is time for you to wake up and write more constructive items on Bdeshi issues.
>
> Blaming Jamaat for all the Bdeshi mess will not be useful. sending few more corrupt officials + politicians to prison may be more therapeutic and helpful.
>
> I am a proud muslim, not a fanatic, not a Jamaat supporter. But i dont enjoy creating " smoke screen" on behalf of crooked + corrupt
> AL +
> BNP politicians.
>
> It is time to reassess your style and contribute more to the Bdeshi community... . I do.
>
> khoda hafez.
>
> dr. maqsud omar
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> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> From: farida_majid@ hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:40:09 -0400
> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Will Bangladesh Jamaat's killing spree be muffled for the election?
>
> Blame it all on RAW/MOSAD. Do we have instances of Indian BJP/Sangh Parivar engaged in mass killing of Hindus? Do the Zionists habitually engage in murdering the Jew?
>
> How about our Jamaati Islami berathari toward fellow Muslims of Bangla land? Please read the followin note frm Ahsan Abbas of Pakistan:
>
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:16 AM, ahsan abbas < > wrote:
>
>
>
> I can show you many many pics of Hindus burning the holy Quran. Can any one PLEASE show me a single picture of Hindus burning their own book ?
>
> I can show you thousands of pics of Israrils oppression against Muslims. Can any body PLEASE send me a single picture of Jews killing the Jews ?
>
> I can give you hundreds of examples of Americans, oppresing the Muslims. Can any body PLEASE show me a single example of Americans killing the Americans in name of Christianity ?
>
> If you cannot, please come to me I will show something:
>
> Muslims are beheading Muslims in the name of Islam.
>
> Muslims are attacking the Mosques for the sake of Allah.
>
> Muslims are burning the schools to spread Islam.
>
> Muslims are doing suicidal attacks on hospitals to serve the humanity.
>
> Muslims are kidnapping school children to
> enforce the shariah.
>
> Oh No what you are saying ??? They cant be regarded as Muslims.They are beasts.
>
> DO NOT SAY THIS OTHERWISE YOU TOO WILL BE REGARDED AS INFIDEL(KAFIR) . These people
> are "Mujahideen- e-Islam" and doing all this "to defeat the America"
>
> Subhan Allah..... You see what a great logic it is.
>
> It is due to this marvelous logic, the Muslims are being beaten all over the world.
>
> These brave, sincere and true Mujahideen did a self proclaimed 9/11, successfully managed an attack on Afghanistan and Iraq and now striving to do the same with Atomic Pakistan.
>
> Could we still not decide who is the worse? Zionists, racist Hindus or our Mjahideen ?
>
>
> Love
>
> Ahsan
>
>
> From: m_musa92870@ yahoo.com
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:53:36 +0000
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Upcoming conspiracies surrounding general election in Bangladesh
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> If a morally bankrupt person calls me intellectually bankrupt, I take it as complement. Thank you. Why don't you provide us some facts (including dates) and reasoning what MOSAD did in Bangladesh since you have case against them? As far as deviating from the subject, I can accuse you of the same. You could not provide any justifications for the lies and broken promises of those pseudo-Islamic parties to EC during their previous visits. Sorry I cannot call somebody Islamic for hypocrisy. If they are like all the other non-religious political parties, why do they use Islam in pursuing their worldly goals? Why do they deceive us with their outward religious appearances? I wanted to say lying is very little sin compared to what these religious frauds are capable of doing without any hesitation. Sorry
> that of type of accusation hurts you personally. I was not aware of that.
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ahsan_mohammed2000 " <ahsan_mohammed2000@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Mr. Mohammad Musa Sarkar,
> >
> > I requested you to provide your analysis with facts and reasoning,
> > however, you preferred to express your one-eyed views only. Many
> > quarters might be involved in influencing Bangladesh politics. We
> > should discuss their roles and interests objectively instead of being
> > supportive to any specific one. Why are you trying to portray some
> > people as supporters of some agencies? I am a Bangladeshi (and you
> > are too, I suppose) and we should uphold the interest of the nation,
> > not of other countries. You mentioned about CIA, what about others
> > (e.g. RAW, MOSAD)? What do you think about them?
> >
> > Constantly deviating from the point of discussion to another specific
> > one is a kind of
> intellectual bankruptcy. It reminds me of a famous
> > joke. A clever boy sat in exam. He memorised an essay on cows but
> > the question paper asked him to write an essay on a river. He
> > started. "There was a river. A cow was gazing on its bank. A cow
> > has two eyes ... "
> >
> > How logical is it to make indecent remarks on someone on the ground
> > that people of the same party did something which was not decent? An
> > Awami League leader celebrated rape century in Jahangirnagar
> > University. Should it be reflected while EC makes remark on Sheikh
> > Hasina?
> >
> > Regarding some Islamic parties position on registration in EC, you
> > know that it is not new in our politics to change their demands at
> > different stages of negotiations. Will you kindly mention what was
> > AL's position
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Ahsan Mohammed
> >
> >
> >
> --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "musasarkar" m_musa92870@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Mr. Ahsan Mohammed,
> > >
> > > My problem was your exclusion of ISI, the worst of the foreign
> > > intelligence services in our area. To me that was not honesty.
> > That
> > > doesn't mean that I excluded the others. Especially how can I
> > exclude
> > > CIA who was involved in killing Bangabandhu and other top national
> > > leaders and installing army backed nationalist force in
> > Bangladesh? How
> > > can I ignore CIA's direct and indirect contribution in return and
> > > revival of war criminals in Bangladesh?
> > >
> > > If supporting lying and hypocrisy of people from Al Badr background
> > are
> > > part of your socio-cultural background, that I have noting to say.
> > And
> > > of course, you also can consider what these
> so-called pseudo-Islamic
> > > leaders did in 1971 as very decent, but to me they are just
> > savages.
> > > You live with your views and I have nothing to say.
> > >
> > > Best regards.
> > >
> > > Mohammad Musa Sarkar.
> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ahsan_mohammed2000 "
> > > <ahsan_mohammed2000@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Mr. Mohammad Musa Sarkar,
> > > >
> > > > I do not understand how you deduced that I read only right-wing
> > > > Bangladeshi newspapers? I have not quoted from any newspaper or
> > > > mentioned any piece of news. I have presented my own analysis of
> > > > some facts. If you have any difference of opinion about any
> > specific
> > > > point, please mention it. I also do not understand why you are
> > > > defending RAW, MOSAD and CIA. Other
> intelligence agencies might
> > also
> > > > be interested in BD politics. If you have any analysis about it,
> > > > please mention it with reasons. If you think that RAW, MOSAD and
> > CIA
> > > > has no interest in BD politics, please also provide your logic
> > behind
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > Decency and indecency varies from person to person and has
> > relation
> > > > with the socio-cultural background of someone. If you think that
> > > > CEC's remarks on some Islamic parties were decent, then it is your
> > > > view and I have nothing to say.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards..
> > > >
> > > > Ahsan Mohammed
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "musasarkar" m_musa92870@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr.
> Ahsan Mohammed,
> > > > >
> > > > > May be you are only reading the right-wing Bangladeshi
> > newpapers.
> > > > If
> > > > > you read the other papers, you will find more conspiracies. You
> > > > will
> > > > > find many who consider this current CTG as Jamaat's B team. This
> > > > CTG
> > > > > has been extraordinarily soft on Jamaat and other religious
> > > > fanatics and
> > > > > extremists. Look at the joke and circus regarding Al Badr co-
> > chief
> > > > > Mujahid's arrest. While people like you always smell RAW, MOSSAD
> > > > and
> > > > > CIA conspiracies, there are lot more people who smell CIA, ISI
> > and
> > > > > Wahabi conspiracies. It goes both ways.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your article in Naya Diganta presents only right-wing view
>
> > points
> > > > and it
> > > > > cannot be accepted as fair and balanced piece. ISI is one of the
> > > > top
> > > > > players in Indian subcontinent. They are behind many subversive
> > > > acts.
> > > > > They created Talibans and hence aided Al Qaeda. To leave them
> > out
> > > > from
> > > > > your equation strongly suggest, you are pushing right-wing
> > agenda.
> > > > You
> > > > > mentioned in your article that since BNP's leadership is trying
> > to
> > > > > negotiate with CTG, they didn't protest CEC's very indecent
> > > > > comments on the pseudo-Islamic partners of BNP. May be you can
> > > > teach us
> > > > > what kind of decent words the CEC should have used for their
> > > > outright
> > > > > lies. Let me make another very
> indecent and rude comment about
> > > > these
> > > > > mullahs - these mullahs actively and enthusiastically
> > participated
> > > > in
> > > > > all sorts of heinous war crimes in 1971. Regards-
> > > > >
> > > > > Mohammad Musa Sarkar
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ahsan_mohammed2000 "
> > > > > <ahsan_mohammed2000@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Alochok Ezajur,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is good to know that there are enlightened and powerful
> > elites
> > > > who
> > > > > > welcome conspiracies against their motherland apparently
> > because,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > âہ"You canâۉ„¢t ensure clean candidates for the election.
> > > > > > You
> canâۉ„¢t ensure there wonâۉ„¢t be any rioting or
> > > deaths at
> > > > > the election.
> > > > > > You canâۉ„¢t ensure clean MPs or clean Ministers.
> > > > > > You canâۉ„¢t ensure that family politics will be removed.
> > > > > > You canâۉ„¢t ensure that kickbacks from government contracts
> > > will
> > > > > be
> > > > > > spotted.
> > > > > > You canâۉ„¢t ensure a proper vision of Bangladesh by
> > > politicians. .
> > > > > > You canâۉ„¢t ensure that politicians will refrain from rabble
> > > > > rousing.
> > > > > > You canâۉ„¢t ensure that MPs wonâۉ„¢t financially benefit
> > > from
> > > > > crooked
> > > > > > manpower agents.âە¿½
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can Indians
> ensure the above-mentioned checklist? If they are
> > > > happy
> > > > > > with their spoiled democracy, then why arenâۉ„¢t we?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How logical is it to welcome military rule or foreign
> > intervention
> > > > > > because democracy has not yet got sufficient time to
> > flourish? Who
> > > > > > ruled the country most of the time after its independence,
> > > > democratic
> > > > > > forces or military rulers with or without uniform?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The notion that Americans and others can buy anything they
> > want
> > > > seems
> > > > > > to be an oversimplified assumption. If it were true, then the
> > > > world
> > > > > > would not have so many wars and troubles. Moreover, sometimes
> > > >
> buying
> > > > > > things might involve very high value. The more we welcome
> > > > > > conspiracies, the more we become ready to sell ourselves (not
> > > > > > personal, saying in general).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ahsan Mohammed
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "Ezajur Rahman"
> > ezajur.rahman@
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Alcohok Ahsan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is indeed very well written. But I am not remotely
> > bothered
> > > > by
> > > > > > > conspiracies.
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In fact I welcome them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure clean candidates for the election.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure there won't be any rioting or deaths at the
> > > > > > election.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure clean MPs or clean Ministers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure that family politics will be removed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure that kickbacks from government contracts
> > will
> > > > be
> > > > > > > spotted.
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > You can't ensure a proper vision of Bangladesh by
> > politicians.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure that politicians will refrain from rabble
> > > > rousing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure that MPs won't financially benefit from
> > crooked
> > > > > > > manpower agents.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure jack****.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But let's talk about how to stop foreign conspiracies! Woah!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bhai -
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It takes 3 ISI agents only to manage Pakistan's interests
> > > > > > Bangladesh.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It takes 2 RAW agents only to manage India's interests in
> > > > > > Bangladesh.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And it is just a wet dream that the Americans, Brits,
> > Chinese
> > > > etc
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > working hard to subvert the elections.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why should they even bother? They can buy anything they
> > want...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The common masses cannot do anything until the common
> > masses can
> > >
> > > > > successfully demand real change in our politics.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The biggest conspiracy in Bangladesh is the perpetuation of
> > > > family
> > > > > > > politics by mid level AL and BNP supporters who just love to
> > > > pretend
> > > > > > > they are very flexible, agenda free, reasonable people.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any conspiracy that undermines the election of Hasina and
> > > > Khaleda
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > undermines the baboons of the AL and BNP central committees
> > is
> > > > > > welcome.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let me know
> where I can make a donation...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We can't build a boat to carry 200 people safely in 2008
> > but we
> > > > sure
> > > > > > > kicked the 5th Fleet back to the USA back in 1971 didn't we!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nothing personal Ahsan - your piece was excellently
> > written. I'm
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > ranting...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ezajur Rahman
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Kuwait
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Ahsan Mohammad vai
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Very well written analysis. Though there is no way of
> > knowing
> > > > for
> > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > that such incidents will take place, but many indications
> > are
> > > > > > pointing
> > > > > > > towards that.
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What can we, the common mass, do?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > regards
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:27 AM, alochona@yahoogroup s.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For a Better Bangladesh
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/alochona; _ylc=X3oDMTJkMnF qamtpBF9TAzk3M
> > > > > > zU
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
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> > > > > > AR
> > > > > > > zdGltZQMxMjIzOTY5Mj I2>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Messages In This Digest (1 Message)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Upcoming conspiracies surrounding general election in
> > Bangladesh
> > > > > > > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/alochona/ pending#1# 1> From:
> > Ahsan
> > > > > > > Mohammed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > View All Topics
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
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> > > > > >
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> > > >
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> > > > > > Az
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > Message
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > 1.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Upcoming conspiracies surrounding general election in
> > Bangladesh
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/alochona/ message/11038; _ylc=X3oDMTJyMmo
> > > > > > 5a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Posted by: "Ahsan Mohammed" ahsan_mohammed2000@
> > > > > > > <mailto:ahsan_ mohammed2000@ ?Subject= %20Re%3AUpcoming %
> >
> 20conspira
> > > > > > > cies%20surrounding% 20general% 20election% 20in%20Banglades h>
> > > > > > > ahsan_mohammed2000
> > > > <http://profiles. yahoo.com/ ahsan_mohammed20 00>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:13 pm (PDT)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Members,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Although the Chief Advisor and other members of the interim
> > > > > > government
> > > > > > > are trying to ensure through their speeches that the general
> > > > > > election
> > > > > > > will be held in December 2008 and power will be handed over
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > > elected representatives of
> people, doubts and fears are
> > > > spreading
> > > > > > due to
> > > > > > > some activities of the ruling quarter. I tried to analyse
> > the
> > > > > > possible
> > > > > > > conspiracies and strategies of various players involved in
> > > > > > influencing
> > > > > > > Bangladesh politics in my article published in Daily Naya
> > > > Diganta
> > > > > > and is
> > > > > > > available at the following link:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.dailynay adiganta. com/2008/ 10/13/fullnews. asp?
> > > > > > News_ID=108371&s
> > > > > > > ec=6
> > > > > > > <http://www.dailynay adiganta. com/2008/ 10/13/fullnews. asp?
> > > > > > News_ID=108371&
> > > > >
> > > sec=6>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.sonarban gladesh.com/ article.php? ID=336
> > > > > > > <http://www.sonarban gladesh.com/ article.php? ID=336>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I will highly appreciate if you kindly share your views on
> > this
> > > > > > issue.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ahsan Mohammed
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