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Sunday, December 14, 2008

[ALOCHONA] Re: [notun_bangladesh] A billion dollar question - Has Prothom-alo changed?

Dear Ayubi Bhai n Faruque Bhai,
       How the editor of  weekly Ekota(of CPB) become so wealthy i e one of the owner of prothom Alo in very few time?
Why ACC is silent ?

Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo.com> wrote:
The saying goes" You can not teach a new technique to an old horse". Muti Mia a very old horse to accept any change. This change business is his usual pep talk.
                        Ayubi
  --- On Sun, 12/14/08, mahathir of bd <wouldbemahathirofbd@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: mahathir of bd <wouldbemahathirofbd@yahoo.com>
Subject: [notun_bangladesh] A billion dollar question - Has Prothom-alo changed?
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com, chottala@yahoogroups.com, khabor@yahoogroups.com, dahuk@yahoogroups.com, notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com, sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com, vinnomot@yahoogroups.com, "Amra Bangladesi" <amra-bangladesi@yahoogroups.com>, reform-bd@yahoogroups.com, tritiomatra@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 8:28 AM

বদলে যাà¦",বদলে দাà¦" । প্রথম আলো কি বদলেছে ?

বুড়া বয়সে কি মতি ভাই নিজেকে বদলাতে পারবে ?

আর মতি ভাই নিজে না বদলালে কি প্রথম আলো বদলাবে ?

প্রথম আলোকে বদলানোর জন্য কি মতি ভাইকে বদলানো( সরানো) দরকার না ?

কি বলেন আপনারা ?

বিশ্ব বেহায়া প্রেসিডেন্ট আর "রং হেডেড " (আদালত কর্তৃক ঘোষিত) মূখ্য মন্ত্রী ( কলকাতায় সম্ভোধিত) হলে দেশ কেমন চলবে ?



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RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: Sufism

Attn: Musasarkar
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Can you please tell us more, about objectionable/ unacceptable/ controversial.... writings of Moududi.

Thanks.

Khoda hafez.

dr. maqsud omar

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> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> From: m_musa92870@yahoo.com
> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:39:24 +0000
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Sufism
>
>
> Mr. Omar,
>
> The question is not whether Moududi was one of the most educated Islamic
> scholars of modern time or not. The question is whether you accept
> Moududi's rejection and ridicule of the Prophet (SA) sahih hadith or
> not.
>
> "Any school of Islamic thought which goes directly against Holy Quran
> and Sahih 6 Hadiths - I do not and will not accept that individual to be
> Islamic." - Mr. Mufassil Islam. Do you concur with Mr. Islam?
>
> Thanks
>
> Musa
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, maqsud omaba <maqsudo@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > attn: cyrus
> > -----------------
> >
> > Is it not sad, you have heard about Moududi, didnt read about him.
> > Please do read, and let us know your comments.
> >
> > Whatever we say, he is one of the most educated islamic scholar of
> modern time.
> >
> > best wishes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > From: thoughtocrat@...
> > Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:54:53 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Sufism
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for clarifying that Mr. Sarkar. My knowldge of Moududi is
> limited, as I prefer not to read his writings. I have read enough about
> him, but not enough of his writings. Personally, I don't find his
> writings any different from Hitler's "Mein Kampf". Moududi's teachings
> are as vile as the nazi propaganda.
> >
> > C
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: musasarkar m_musa92870@...
> > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:00:26 PM
> > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Sufism
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Since I received no reply to the question that I posed in this thread
> > from Mr. Mufassil Islam or any other alochoks, I have decided to
> answer
> > it myself. Some of the alochoks probably know the answer. The person
> > of interest in the following posting was Maulana Syed Abu Ala Moududi.
> > Mr. Mufassil Islam, do you accept his school of Islamic thought?
> > Eagerly waiting for your response.
> >
> > Mohammad Musa Sarkar
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "musasarkar" <m_musa92870@ ...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Mr. Mufassil Islam,
> > >
> > > You have said, "Any school of Islamic thought which goes directly
> > > against Holy Quran and Sahih 6 Hadiths - I do not and will not
> accept
> > > that individual to be Islamic." I heard it from many scholars
> (Sunni)
> > > in their lectures that to be a perfect
> > Muslim, you have to accept the
> > > Holy Qura'n and the sahih Hadiths (since in these hadiths the
> Prophet
> > > (SA) didn't say anything on his own) in your heart. We may not
> > > understand some, but we should not reject any.
> > >
> > > Now can you tell us who made the following remarks?
> > >
> > > "The Messenger of Allah (SA) used to think that the Dajjaal
> > > (Anti-Christ) would come out in his time, or close to his time.
> > However,
> > > 1350 years passed away and many long generations came and went, yet
> > the
> > > Dajjaal did not come out. So it is confirmed that what the Prophet
> > (SA)
> > > thought did not prove true!!"
> > >
> > > Later he added: "Indeed, 1350 years have passed…yet the Dajjaal
> > > has not come out, so this is the reality."
> > >
> > > (The above is a clear rejection of the emergence of the Dajjaal,
> whose
> > > emergence has been narrated concurrently in authentic
> > hadiths.)
> > >
> > > And He further said: "It is confirmed that everything which is
> > > related in the hadith of the Prophet (SA) concerning the Dajjaal is
> > the
> > > opinion and analogical deduction of the Prophet (SA), and it is a
> > > doubtful misgiving from his affair."
> > >
> > > So is this not a rejection of the Dajjaal? Is this not a denial of
> the
> > > narration of the Messenger (SA), about which Allah said:
> > >
> > > "And he does not speak from his own desire. It is revelation
> > > inspired to him." (Sura Najm 53:3-4)
> > >
> > >
> > > Furthermore, that person had the arrogance to make audacious remark
> > > about the Prophet (SA):
> > >
> > > "Allah the Glorified commanded him (the Prophet) in Sura Nasr to
> > > repent to his Lord due to what emanated from him in deficiencies and
> > > shortcomings in distributing the deen."
> > >
> > > What do you think about that person? Do you now know who
> > that person
> > > was?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Mohammad Musa Sarkar
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, mufassil islam mufassili@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cyrus..
> > > >
> > > > I am used to this type of forgone conclusions. My understanding of
> > > Islam does not require drumming up. I come from a family of hundreds
> > of
> > > years of Sufism and my direct forefathers have a lineage of Sufy
> > > thinkers which are well known in Bangladesh. I am the direct
> > generation
> > > of Soleman Shah Fakir of Baltoli, Murad Nagar, Comilla (ask any
> > > Bangladeshi from the region) where millions of sufi fakirs - lalon
> > > vaktas gather every year. This trend is followed by Urs of my
> > > grandfather' s majar at Araihazar as well. I have had my
> > fair share of
> > > learning in Sufism, Marefater gopon kotha, Gajjali and so on. Let me
> > ask
> > > you a straight question and do please answer honestly - no pretext
> > > please. And do let the readers know as well. Do you know the meaning
> > of
> > > the word 'Sufism' and the etymology of this word? Please don't check
> > and
> > > tell me that you know it even though I wish you to know about it. It
> > > seems the word Sufism is being abused without a bridle in Islam now
> a
> > > days. Some people have even gone too far to give up salah in the
> name
> > of
> > > Sufi Islam. I request you to study the history of Khelafat Andolon
> and
> > > also the history of Dudu Miah in our part of the world. Bukhari
> Sharif
> > > talks about Fanah Fillah as the highest Sakin stage of Shariah where
> > > salah becomes only a part of all time ebadah in Islam - a momeen's
> > final
> > > stage. Muslim - Momeen and Ehsan. Yes brother in Islam, I
> > have no
> > > intentions to create any conflicts amongst Islamic idelologies and
> > > schools but I do accept Tablig efforts and Dawah efforts but I will
> > not
> > > agree with the fact of compromising basic Islamic beliefs in the
> name
> > of
> > > Islamic dicersity. Any school of Islamic thought which goes directly
> > > against Holy Quran and Sahih 6 Hadiths - I do not and will not
> accept
> > > that individual to be Islamic. As of my nature - I will never
> > compromise
> > > with irrationality and will not coil away. I you can counter logic -
> > > please do so. As to self-proclaimed 'Human Rights Advocate' issue.
> > Sir,
> > > this is not a title which can be sold and this is being used by some
> > of
> > > the so called experts in Bangladesh. I was the first individual who
> > had
> > > appeared with this title in major Bangladeshi and international
> > medias.
> > > I have had helped Christians, Muslism alike around the world
> > which
> > have
> > > had been widely publicised in major medias around the globe
> including
> > > BBC, Daily Star etc. I don't think you have had the chance to read
> > about
> > > me. I welcome you to spend a bit of your valuable time to read the
> > > Encyclopaedia about me online. You can kindly just type my name on
> > > google. I am not like Mr.Turkman who will throw abuses behind nick
> > names
> > > or from hideouts and secret locations. I have had studied in various
> > > Universities around the world and am a lawyer of international
> > standing
> > > and I had to work hard to lift this title. Nevertheless, I am always
> > > ready to accept any logic - not abuse by which you can prove me
> wrong.
> > > Please forward references as I always do in my letters.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > > Mufassil M M Islam
> > > > Human Rights Advocate
> > > > President and CEO
> > > > Law Offices of
> > Islam and Associates International
> > > > Bangladesh, India, Nepal, Australia, UK, Ireland
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To: alochona@: IndianJustice@ yahoogroups. com;
> > > reform-bd@yahoogrou ps.com; tritiomatra@ yahoogroups. com;
> dhakamails@:
> > > turkman@: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:49:59 -0800Subject: [ALOCHONA]
> > > Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in Prothom
> > Alo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bangladesh has a lot higher Literacy Rate than Pakistan if
> > a Mosque
> > > Imam can be 8th Grade pass. I watched on TV in USA, a Western
> > Journalist
> > > with a Translator in a Religious School (MuDrissaa) in Pakistan,
> > asking
> > > the Teacher, "What's 8 x 8 ?"The Teacher could not tell.Allaho Akbar
> > > ...! Pakistan ZinDaabaaD ...!--- On Thu, 11/20/08, Cyrus
> > > thoughtocrat@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Iqbal...I really enjoyed reading your response!!
> > > >
> > > > The self-proclaimed Human Rights Advocate, whose opinions show
> utter
> > > lack of knowledge of history, both Islamic as well as of other
> > > civilizations, and no realization that Lalon was a great Sufi
> mystic,
> > a
> > > criminalized and persecuted Muslim group. Sufiism is part of our
> > > history....it is a part of Islamic history, and must be protected at
> > all
> > > costs.
> > > >
> > > > "Blind uncultured mass"? Oh the audacity!
> > The only one blinded by
> > > ignorance disguised as "faith" is Mr. Mufassil Islam, who obviously
> > > doesn't understand much about Islam or its rich and diverse culture.
> I
> > > find it amusing and ironic that Mr. Islam's lacks any understanding
> of
> > > Islamic history and the Islamic philosphy. That's a thought!
> > > >
> > > > Anyways....keep writing Mr. Iqbal.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Cyrus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: ANWAR IQBAL Anwariqbal@yahoo. com>To: alochona@yahoogroup
> > > s.comSent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:32:26 PMSubject: RE:
> > [ALOCHONA]
> > > Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in
> > Prothom
> > > Alo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Mufassil Islam;
> > > > At the end of this letter, I have pasted a copy of an article that
> > was
> > > sent to me by a friend
> > who lives in Germany . This is related to the
> > > subject of your conversation. Please review this and give us your
> > words
> > > of wisdom on that article.
> > > >
> > > > Beyond that, I would like to add some of my own thoughts on this.
> > > >
> > > > So called Islamic intellectuals with their bigotry, myopic visions
> > and
> > > immense disrespect to other civilizations and cultures have given
> > Islam
> > > and the Muslims a bad name today. Many of those intellectuals grew
> up
> > > receiving Islamic teachings from Class 8 pass mullahs. Some of them
> > > obviously obtained higher education beyond village Moktobs. That
> > > however, did not clear the brain washing they received during their
> > > childhood. These are the people who we find relentlessly trying to
> > force
> > > their version of Islam through our throats.
> > > >
> > > > View points expressed by intellectuals such as yourself strikes
> > me
> > to
> > > the fact that you all believe your perception is always superior to
> > that
> > > of the rest who hold a different opinion on the same subject matter.
> I
> > > do not know you and you surely do not know me. Therefore, in reading
> > my
> > > writing you can always blow me away as another idiot trying to sound
> > > smart. But in the case of Humayun Ahmed who is a PhD, an established
> > > author and a respected retired university teacher, how could you
> even
> > > think that you can surpass his intellectual abilities with yours?
> Why
> > > makes you think you know better than him? Yet better why do think
> you
> > > know better than anyone else. Your mindset suggests that all those
> > > people who are in favor of the statues are nothing but ignorant
> > morons.
> > > What makes you develop such disrespect for others around you? You
> are
> > > asking people to not to do something that other people want to do.
> And
> > >
> > in doing so they are not even harming anyone. This shows the general
> > > intolerance from people of your types to the rest who holds harmless
> > > opposing views. This is the root of all problems for the entire
> > > civilization today. This is the cause of all the wars (justified or
> > not)
> > > and this is the cause why there is the continuous tension between
> your
> > > type of Muslims and the rest of World.
> > > >
> > > > Let's go back to your mail; Egypt may not be a good (!) Islamic
> > > Country in your definition, but have you thought about the Holy land
> > of
> > > Saudi Arabia and how blindly we perform some acts in our religion
> that
> > > supports idolatry. Think about the ritual of stoning the "Iblis"
> > > during Hajj? Are those stone models of "Iblis" not idols in your
> > > definition? Do not forget that this ritual of stoning is a mere
> carry
> > > over of the traditional Hajj ritual celebrated in Mecca
> > prior to Islam
> > > when they worshiped the Statue of Allah inside the Harem Sharif.
> > > >
> > > > People like you keep people like us scared and makes us worried
> > about
> > > the future of our dear motherland. Not too long ago, Mullah Omar
> came
> > to
> > > power with Taliban in Afghanistan with your type of values and
> ideas.
> > > Besides other valuable relics and artifacts of immense historic
> > > importance, they destroyed 2000 years old statue of Buddha which is
> > not
> > > only a loss of History and tradition for the Afghans but also an
> > > irreparable loss for the whole mankind. In your letter, you said,
> > > "Human nature does not evolve with time. It is static", if you
> > > really feel that to be true, you and your types should move into the
> > > caves and "Be modern and seal all means of deviation and use your
> > > intellect to worship the Almighty - not using dead idols."
> > > >
> > > >
> > While reading your mail, I took a curious interest in your title
> > > "A human Rights Advocate". Based on the contents of your typical
> > > writings, I think you believe "your type of fundamentalist
> > > Muslims" is the only humans as you continuously advocate for them.
> > > Please do not forget there are other humans who follow the same
> > religion
> > > with a much open mind or of different cultures and some of different
> > > religions. I think you should separate yourself from those
> > > "inferior" humans and revise your title slightly to call
> > > yourself "A Mullah and a fundamentalist Muslim Human Rights
> > > Advocate."
> > > >
> > > > Anwar
> > > >
> > > > Lalon sculpture at Dhaka Airport : Demolition fanfare by the
> bigots
> > > ......
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lalon src="http:// media1.somewhere inblog.net/ /images/thumbs/
> > > banglarjoy_ 1224248015_
> > 1-lalon_statue. jpg" width=400>The statues
> > being
> > > pulled down: Image credit BanglarChokh
> > > >
> > > > Mannequins in Macca
> > > >
> > > > This picture is from a store in a mall located within 100 yrds of
> > > Kabba Sharif. Many stores
> > > > in this mall displys different kinds of Mannequins to attract
> > customes
> > > to sell products, just
> > > > as you would see in any modern mall all over the world. [some even
> > > shows "naked"
> > > > female breasts to display bra & brief sets, similar to the
> picture:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you have visited Macca lately, you must have noticed that space
> > > around Kabba at
> > > > Masjid-al-Haram is now sorrounded by world class 5-star hotels and
> a
> > > very large western
> > > > style shopping malls. Now when you walk out of the Al-haram, all
> you
> > > see is malls and big
> > > > hotels. Makkah is
> > supposed to be a place of spirituality, not
> > > materialism. Any kind of
> > > > spiritual benefit one gets from the Kaba gets easily lost the
> second
> > > he/she step out and
> > > > walk into these buildings. All you see is people eating, buying,
> > > selling, you totally don't
> > > > feel like you are in Mecca. Many people, go to Hajj taking it as
> if
> > it
> > > is some kind of
> > > > vacation area, people want the best hotel, the best food, drink,
> > > comfort etc. You must be
> > > > personally knowing Hajis who took advantages of cheaper gold in
> > Makka
> > > and Madina.
> > > > Masjid al-Haram in May 2007, Mecca [ see the high rise malls and
> > > hotels in the
> > > > background skyline] Have you ever seen the Jamaatis and bigots
> like
> > > Mufti Fazlul
> > > > Hoq Amini or Saikhul Hadis Ajijul Haq ever protesting these
> > > "un-Islamic" practices
> > > > in Macca [Saudi
> > arabia] ?
> > > >
> > > > The Lalon sculpture is very much consistent with the tradition and
> > > culture of
> > > > Bangladesh. If use of Mannequins can be approved in Macca Malls,
> why
> > > there is
> > > > so much fuss about the Lalon Sculpture at the Air Port? It is
> > another
> > > FACE of
> > > > POLITICAL ISLAM i.e the use of religion for political purposes
> !---
> > On
> > > Sun, 11/9/08, mufassil islam mufassili@hotmail. com> wrote:
> > > > From: mufassil islam mufassili@hotmail. com>Subject: RE:
> [ALOCHONA]
> > > Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in
> > Prothom
> > > AloTo: alochona@yahoogroup s.comDate: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 8:05
> > AM
> > > > Again..the statutes are not representative of any modern art. This
> > is
> > > the most ancient form of art in human history which culminated from
> > idol
> > > worshipping pagan societies. We do not want people -
> > especially
> > naitives
> > > of a simple-minded society to be dragged into the vortex of
> justifying
> > > idolatry in any form or shape. The regime in Egypt is not any way
> > > Islamic and human rights record in suppressing democratic norms in
> > that
> > > country is appalling. The Islamic scholars of Bengal is way far
> wiser
> > > than many Arabs and exceptions do not make laws. When world is
> moving
> > > ahead in art and culture in various electronic medias - we are
> bogged
> > > down in static idolisation of so called great leaders. When Moses
> was
> > > away - the Bible and Quran (Exodus and Bakara) say that the
> followers
> > > started worshipping the Cow. Please read the context. Human nature
> > does
> > > not evolve with time. It is static. Be modern and seal all means of
> > > deviation and use your intellect to worship the Almighty - not using
> > > dead idols. You idolise Greats in minds - not by building
> > statutes.
> > The
> > > right salute to them is to fight and strive for the cause they are
> > > respected for. You democratic modern people - let's suggest a final
> > > solution - democratically. Let's have a poll. I bet most of us will
> > > condemn this culture. Now will you condemn our blind uncultured
> mass?
> > > Well - that's democracy - mass rules - learn to live with it.
> Mufassil
> > > IslamHuman Rights Advocate
> > > >
> > > > To: alochona@yahoogroup s.comFrom: anwarshafqat@ hotmail.comDate:
> > Fri,
> > > 7 Nov 2008 08:40:34 +0000Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Fw:
> Misinterpretation
> > > of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in Prothom Alo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I live in Cairo, the capital of an important Muslim country and
> > there
> > > are statues of many Egyptian personalities of the Islamic era in
> > various
> > > street junctions. The same I have seen in Malaysia where statues of
> > the
> > >
> > national personalitiesare erected in various places. I do not think
> > that
> > > a close minded conservative approach will take us anywhere ! The
> world
> > > is moving ahead whereas we are thinking backwards. The sermons of
> ill
> > > informed and almost uneducated religious preachers cannot be the
> > > yardstick of judging what is right or wrong in a modern 21st century
> > > society. Regards,Shafqat
> > > >
> > > > To: abdurrazzaq1949@ hotmail.com; hgas@northsouth. eduFrom:
> > > sahannan@sonarbangl adesh.comDate: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:56:04
> > > -0700Subject: [ALOCHONA] Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun
> > Ahmad
> > > in his column in Prothom Alo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear members,
> > > >
> > > > Assalamu Alaikum A question has been sent to me to give my opinion
> > on
> > > the one -column article
> > of Humayun Ahmad, a well-known novelist of
> > > Bangladesh I feel that Humayun ahmad sahib has done injustice to
> > Islam,
> > > Muslim and himself.My points are as follows:-( Those who know Bangla
> > can
> > > read the attached articlein Bangla.Those who do not know, there is
> no
> > > problem as I have taken his point of view in my submissions )
> > > >
> > > > !.He says that some madrasah student shouted and government backed
> > > down on statue issue and removed the under-constuction statue of a
> > > famous poet and Baul Lalon Shah.This is not true that a few Madrasah
> > > students protested..Al leasr 50 million Muslims in two hundred
> > thousand
> > > masjids heard Khutba ( speech of Imam) of prayer leader in Juma
> > > congregation on last friday condeming statue making.
> > > >
> > > > As against that I have seen human chains, one of 25 people and
> > another
> > > of 15 teachers, may be there were a few
> > others.It clearly reflects
> > > public opinion.
> > > >
> > > > 2.He has tried to justify staue making and honoring them in the
> name
> > > of Islam.He says that Prophet (sm) did not erase the picture of
> Maryam
> > > from the wall of Kaba when he destroyed other idols of kabah..Is it
> > any
> > > justification for statue makinf or placing them in public places for
> > > reminding heritage?.At the most it can be said that the Prophet
> > honored
> > > the existing picture of the mother of Isa (AS)and it will not be
> > proper
> > > for Muslims to break statues existing before the advent of Islam of
> > > religious personages.
> > > >
> > > > Mr Ahmad has said from Bukhari that Ayesha used to play with dolls
> > and
> > > Prophet (sm ) did not stop her.It at the most proves that small
> dolls
> > > are permissible for children as Imam Shawkani and Dr Qaradawi have
> > said(
> > > Al Halal wal Haram Fil Islam by Dr
> > Qaradawi) It does not prove that
> > > statue making and honoring them are permissible.
> > > > He failed to mention numerous Hadith in Bukhari and other Hadith
> > books
> > > which say that those who make statue are cursed and will not enter
> > > Jannah.
> > > > 3.We do not know whether there are half statues of three poets and
> > > saints in Iran.However we know that all statues of Shah of Iran were
> > > destroyed by the people after his fall and nostatue was made of Imam
> > > Khomeni.
> > > > Even if some statues are there, these are violations.We should
> take
> > > notice that there is no statue our Prophet, or Sahabi or khalifas of
> > > Rashidun or Abbasid or Umayyad period, not even of Moghul rulers or
> > > Sultans of Bengal.
> > > > 4.About Greek statue in Libiya it is also of Pre-Islamic period ,
> > may
> > > be it was not broken for some reasons but the Libiyans did not erect
> > new
> > >
> > statues.
> > > > 5 About destruction of Buddha statue in Afganistan , Al-Azhar, OIC
> > > ,Qaradawi condemned the destruction of this old pre-islamic statue
> of
> > > Buddha. This does not mean that Islam likes statues and we should
> > start
> > > making statues of our leaders, Imams and Sahabis and Khalifas and
> > place
> > > them in public places.
> > > >
> > > > 6.Mr Humayun Ahmad's piece is an emotional and one-sided and
> surely
> > > mis-interpretation of Islam.
> > > >
> > > > Shah Abdul Hannan
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9 Is Not 11
 
The TRP unworthy: The deaths at Bombay's true icon, VT, didn't matter to TV; those at Taj did
 
 
We've forfeited the rights to our own tragedies. As the carnage in Mumbai raged on, day after horrible day, our 24-hour news channels informed us that we were watching "India's 9/11". Like actors in a Bollywood rip-off of an old Hollywood film, we're expected to play our parts and say our lines, even though we know it's all been said and done before.
 
As tension in the region builds, US Senator John McCain has warned Pakistan that if it didn't act fast to arrest the "Bad Guys" he had personal information that India would launch air strikes on "terrorist camps" in Pakistan and that Washington could do nothing because Mumbai was India's 9/11.
 
But November isn't September, 2008 isn't 2001, Pakistan isn't Afghanistan and India isn't America. So perhaps we should reclaim our tragedy and pick through the debris with our own brains and our own broken hearts so that we can arrive at our own conclusions.
 
It's odd how in the last week of November thousands of people in Kashmir supervised by thousands of Indian troops lined up to cast their vote, while the richest quarters of India's richest city ended up looking like war-torn Kupwara – one of Kashmir's most ravaged districts.
 
The Mumbai attacks are only the most recent of a spate of terrorist attacks on Indian towns and cities this year. Ahmedabad, Bangalore, Delhi, Guwahati, Jaipur and Malegaon have all seen serial bomb blasts in which hundreds of ordinary people have been killed and wounded. If the police are right about the people they have arrested as suspects, both Hindu and Muslim, all Indian nationals, it obviously indicates that something's going very badly wrong in this country.
 
If you were watching television you may not have heard that ordinary people too died in Mumbai.. They were mowed down in a busy railway station and a public hospital. The terrorists did not distinguish between poor and rich. They killed both with equal cold-bloodedness. The Indian media, however, was transfixed by the rising tide of horror that breached the glittering barricades of India Shining and spread its stench in the marbled lobbies and crystal ballrooms of two incredibly luxurious hotels and a small Jewish centre.
We're told one of these hotels is an icon of the city of Mumbai.
 
That's absolutely true. It's an icon of the easy, obscene injustice that ordinary Indians endure every day. On a day when the newspapers were full of moving obituaries by beautiful people about the hotel rooms they had stayed in, the gourmet restaurants they loved (ironically one was called Kandahar), and the staff who served them, a small box on the top left-hand corner in the inner pages of a national newspaper (sponsored by a pizza company I think) said "Hungry, kya?" (Hungry eh?). It then, with the best of intentions I'm sure, informed its readers that on the international hunger index, India ranked below Sudan and Somalia. But of course this isn't that war. That one's still being fought in the Dalit bastis of our villages, on the banks of the Narmada and the Koel Karo rivers; in the rubber estate in Chengara; in the villages of Nandigram, Singur, Chattisgarh, Jharkhand, Orissa, Lalgarh in West Bengal and the slums and shantytowns of our gigantic cities.
 
That war isn't on TV. Yet. So maybe, like everyone else, we should deal with the one that is.There is a fierce, unforgiving fault-line that runs through the contemporary discourse on terrorism. On one side (let's call it Side A) are those who see terrorism, especially "Islamist" terrorism, as a hateful, insane scourge that spins on its own axis, in its own orbit and has nothing to do with the world around it, nothing to do with history, geography or economics. Therefore, Side A says, to try and place it in a political context, or even try to understand it, amounts to justifying it and is a crime in itself.
 
Side B believes that though nothing can ever excuse or justify terrorism, it exists in a particular time, place and political context, and to refuse to see that will only aggravate the problem and put more and more people in harm's way. Which is a crime in itself.
 
The sayings of Hafiz Saeed, who founded the Lashkar-e-Taiba (Army of the Pure) in 1990 and who belongs to the hardline Salafi tradition of Islam, certainly bolsters the case of Side A. Hafiz Saeed approves of suicide bombing, hates Jews, Shias and Democracy and believes that jihad should be waged until Islam, his Islam, rules the world. Among the things he said are: "There cannot be any peace while India remains intact. Cut them, cut them so much that they kneel before you and ask for mercy."And: "India has shown us this path. We would like to give India a tit-for-tat response and reciprocate in the same way by killing the Hindus, just like it is killing the Muslims in Kashmir."
 
But where would Side A accommodate the sayings of Babu Bajrangi of Ahmedabad, India, who sees himself as a democrat, not a terrorist? He was one of the major lynchpins of the 2002 Gujarat genocide and has said (on camera): "We didn't spare a single Muslim shop, we set everything on fire … we hacked, burned, set on fire … we believe in setting them on fire because these bastards don't want to be cremated, they're afraid of it … I have just one last wish … let me be sentenced to death … I don't care if I'm hanged .... just give me two days before my hanging and I will go and have a field day in Juhapura where seven or eight lakhs [seven or eight hundred thousand] of these people stay ... I will finish them off … let a few more of them die ... at least 25,000 to 50,000 should die."
 
And where, in Side A's scheme of things, would we place the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh bible, We, or, Our Nationhood Defined by MS Golwalkar, who became head of the RSS in 1944. It says: "Ever since that evil day, when Moslems first landed in Hindustan, right up to the present moment, the Hindu Nation has been gallantly fighting on to take on these despoilers. The Race Spirit has been awakening."

Or: "To keep up the purity of its race and culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic races – the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here ... a good lesson for us in Hindustan to learn and profit by."
 
(Of course Muslims are not the only people in the gun sights of the Hindu right. Dalits have been consistently targeted. Recently in Kandhamal in Orissa, Christians were the target of two and a half months of violence which left more than 40 dead. Forty thousand people have been driven from their homes, half of who now live in refugee camps.)
 
All these years Hafiz Saeed has lived the life of a respectable man in Lahore as the head of the Jamaat-ud Daawa, which many believe is a front organization for the Lashkar-e-Taiba. He continues to recruit young boys for his own bigoted jehad with his twisted, fiery sermons. On December 11 the UN imposed sanctions on the Jammat-ud-Daawa. The Pakistani government succumbed to international pressure and put Hafiz Saeed under house arrest. Babu Bajrangi, however, is out on bail and lives the life of a respectable man in Gujarat. A couple of years after the genocide he left the VHP to join the Shiv Sena. Narendra Modi, Bajrangi's former mentor, is still the chief minister of Gujarat. So the man who presided over the Gujarat genocide was re-elected twice, and is deeply respected by India's biggest corporate houses, Reliance and Tata.
 
Suhel Seth, a TV impresario and corporate spokesperson, recently said: "Modi is God." The policemen who supervised and sometimes even assisted the rampaging Hindu mobs in Gujarat have been rewarded and promoted. The RSS has 45,000 branches, its own range of charities and 7 million volunteers preaching its doctrine of hate across India. They include Narendra Modi, but also former prime minister AB Vajpayee, current leader of the opposition LK Advani, and a host of other senior politicians, bureaucrats and police and intelligence officers.
 
If that's not enough to complicate our picture of secular democracy, we should place on record that there are plenty of Muslim organisations within India preaching their own narrow bigotry.So, on balance, if I had to choose between Side A and Side B, I'd pick Side B. We need context. Always.

In this nuclear subcontinent that context is partition. The Radcliffe Line, which separated India and Pakistan and tore through states, districts, villages, fields, communities, water systems, homes and families, was drawn virtually overnight. It was Britain's final, parting kick to us. Partition triggered the massacre of more than a million people and the largest migration of a human population in contemporary history. Eight million people, Hindus fleeing the new Pakistan, Muslims fleeing the new kind of India left their homes with nothing but the clothes on their backs.
 
Each of those people carries and passes down a story of unimaginable pain, hate, horror but yearning too. That wound, those torn but still unsevered muscles, that blood and those splintered bones still lock us together in a close embrace of hatred, terrifying familiarity but also love. It has left Kashmir trapped in a nightmare from which it can't seem to emerge, a nightmare that has claimed more than 60,000 lives. Pakistan, the Land of the Pure, became an Islamic Republic, and then, very quickly a corrupt, violent military state, openly intolerant of other faiths. India on the other hand declared herself an inclusive, secular democracy. It was a magnificent undertaking, but Babu Bajrangi's predecessors had been hard at work since the 1920s, dripping poison into India's bloodstream, undermining that idea of India even before it was born.
 
By 1990 they were ready to make a bid for power. In 1992 Hindu mobs exhorted by LK Advani stormed the Babri Masjid and demolished it. By 1998 the BJP was in power at the centre. The US war on terror put the wind in their sails. It allowed them to do exactly as they pleased, even to commit genocide and then present their fascism as a legitimate form of chaotic democracy. This happened at a time when India had opened its huge market to international finance and it was in the interests of international corporations and the media houses they owned to project it as a country that could do no wrong. That gave Hindu nationalists all the impetus and the impunity they needed.
 
This, then, is the larger historical context of terrorism in the subcontinent and of the Mumbai attacks. It shouldn't surprise us that Hafiz Saeed of the Lashkar-e-Taiba is from Shimla (India) and LK Advani of the Rashtriya Swayam Sevak Sangh is from Sindh (Pakistan).
 
In much the same way as it did after the 2001 parliament attack, the 2002 burning of the Sabarmati Express and the 2007 bombing of the Samjhauta Express, the government of India announced that it has "incontrovertible" evidence that the Lashkar-e-Taiba backed by Pakistan's ISI was behind the Mumbai strikes. The Lashkar has denied involvement, but remains the prime accused. According to the police and intelligence agencies the Lashkar operates in India through an organisation called the Indian Mujahideen. Two Indian nationals, Sheikh Mukhtar Ahmed, a Special Police Officer working for the Jammu and Kashmir police, and Tausif Rehman, a resident of Kolkata in West Bengal, have been arrested in connection with the Mumbai attacks.
 
So already the neat accusation against Pakistan is getting a little messy. Almost always, when these stories unspool, they reveal a complicated global network of foot soldiers, trainers, recruiters, middlemen and undercover intelligence and counter-intelligence operatives working not just on both sides of the India-Pakistan border, but in several countries simultaneously. In today's world, trying to pin down the provenance of a terrorist strike and isolate it within the borders of a single nation state is very much like trying to pin down the provenance of corporate money. It's almost impossible.
In circumstances like these, air strikes to "take out" terrorist camps may take out the camps, but certainly will not "take out" the terrorists. Neither will war. (Also, in our bid for the moral high ground, let's try not to forget that the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, the LTTE of neighbouring Sri Lanka, one of the world's most deadly terrorist groups, were trained by the Indian army.)
 
Thanks largely to the part it was forced to play as America's ally first in its war in support of the Afghan Islamists and then in its war against them, Pakistan, whose territory is reeling under these contradictions, is careening towards civil war. As recruiting agents for America's jihad against the Soviet Union, it was the job of the Pakistan army and the ISI to nurture and channel funds to Islamic fundamentalist organizations. Having wired up these Frankensteins and released them into the world, the US expected it could rein them in like pet mastiffs whenever it wanted to.
 
Certainly it did not expect them to come calling in heart of the Homeland on September 11. So once again, Afghanistan had to be violently remade. Now the debris of a re-ravaged Afghanistan has washed up on Pakistan's borders. Nobody, least of all the Pakistan government, denies that it is presiding over a country that is threatening to implode. The terrorist training camps, the fire-breathing mullahs and the maniacs who believe that Islam will, or should, rule the world is mostly the detritus of two Afghan wars. Their ire rains down on the Pakistan government and Pakistani civilians as much, if not more than it does on India.
 
If at this point India decides to go to war perhaps the descent of the whole region into chaos will be complete. The debris of a bankrupt, destroyed Pakistan will wash up on India's shores, endangering us as never before. If Pakistan collapses, we can look forward to having millions of "non-state actors" with an arsenal of nuclear weapons at their disposal as neighbours.. It's hard to understand why those who steer India's ship are so keen to replicate Pakistan's mistakes and call damnation upon this country by inviting the United States to further meddle clumsily and dangerously in our extremely complicated affairs. A superpower never has allies.
 
 It only has agents.On the plus side, the advantage of going to war is that it's the best way for India to avoid facing up to the serious trouble building on our home front. The Mumbai attacks were broadcast live (and exclusive!) on all or most of our 67 24-hour news channels and god knows how many international ones. TV anchors in their studios and journalists at "ground zero" kept up an endless stream of excited commentary. Over three days and three nights we watched in disbelief as a small group of very young men armed with guns and gadgets exposed the powerlessness of the police, the elite National Security Guard and the marine commandos of this supposedly mighty, nuclear-powered nation.
 
While they did this they indiscriminately massacred unarmed people, in railway stations, hospitals and luxury hotels, unmindful of their class, caste, religion or nationality. (Part of the helplessness of the security forces had to do with having to worry about hostages. In other situations, in Kashmir for example, their tactics are not so sensitive. Whole buildings are blown up. Human shields are used. The U.S and Israeli armies don't hesitate to send cruise missiles into buildings and drop daisy cutters on wedding parties in Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan.) But this was different. And it was on TV.
 
The boy-terrorists' nonchalant willingness to kill – and be killed – mesmerised their international audience. They delivered something different from the usual diet of suicide bombings and missile attacks that people have grown inured to on the news. Here was something new. Die Hard 25. The gruesome performance went on and on. TV ratings soared. Ask any television magnate or corporate advertiser who measures broadcast time in seconds, not minutes, what that's worth.
 
Eventually the killers died and died hard, all but one. (Perhaps, in the chaos, some escaped. We may never know.) Throughout the standoff the terrorists made no demands and expressed no desire to negotiate. Their purpose was to kill people and inflict as much damage as they could before they were killed themselves. They left us completely bewildered. When we say "nothing can justify terrorism", what most of us mean is that nothing can justify the taking of human life. We say this because we respect life, because we think it's precious. So what are we to make of those who care nothing for life, not even their own? The truth is that we have no idea what to make of them, because we can sense that even before they've died, they've journeyed to another world where we cannot reach them.
 
One TV channel (India TV) broadcast a phone conversation with one of the attackers, who called himself Imran Babar. I cannot vouch for the veracity of the conversation, but the things he talked about were the things contained in the "terror emails" that were sent out before several other bomb attacks in India. Things we don't want to talk about any more: the demolition of the Babri Masjid in 1992, the genocidal slaughter of Muslims in Gujarat in 2002, the brutal repression in Kashmir. "You're surrounded," the anchor told him. "You are definitely going to die. Why don't you surrender?"
 
"We die every day," he replied in a strange, mechanical way. "It's better to live one day as a lion and then die this way." He didn't seem to want to change the world. He just seemed to want to take it down with him.

If the men were indeed members of the Lashkar-e-Taiba, why didn't it matter to them that a large number of their victims were Muslim, or that their action was likely to result in a severe backlash against the Muslim community in India whose rights they claim to be fighting for? Terrorism is a heartless ideology, and like most ideologies that have their eye on the Big Picture, individuals don't figure in their calculations except as collateral damage. It has always been a part of and often even the aim of terrorist strategy to exacerbate a bad situation in order to expose hidden faultlines. The blood of "martyrs" irrigates terrorism. Hindu terrorists need dead Hindus, Communist terrorists need dead proletarians, Islamist terrorists need dead Muslims.
 
The dead become the demonstration, the proof of victimhood, which is central to the project. A single act of terrorism is not in itself meant to achieve military victory; at best it is meant to be a catalyst that triggers something else, something much larger than itself, a tectonic shift, a realignment. The act itself is theatre, spectacle and symbolism, and today, the stage on which it pirouettes and performs its acts of bestiality is Live TV. Even as the attack was being condemned by TV anchors, the effectiveness of the terror strikes were being magnified a thousandfold by TV broadcasts.

Through the endless hours of analysis and the endless op-ed essays, in India at least there has been very little mention of the elephants in the room: Kashmir, Gujarat and the demolition of the Babri Masjid. Instead we had retired diplomats and strategic experts debate the pros and cons of a war against Pakistan. We had the rich threatening not to pay their taxes unless their security was guaranteed (is it alright for the poor to remain unprotected?).
 
We had people suggest that the government step down and each state in India be handed over to a separate corporation. We had the death of former prime minster VP Singh, the hero of Dalits and lower castes and villain of Upper caste Hindus pass without a mention.
 
We had Suketu Mehta, author of Maximum City and co-writer of the Bollywood film Mission Kashmir, give us his version of George Bush's famous "Why they hate us" speech. His analysis of why religious bigots, both Hindu and Muslim hate Mumbai: "Perhaps because Mumbai stands for lucre, profane dreams and an indiscriminate openness." His prescription: "The best answer to the terrorists is to dream bigger, make even more money, and visit Mumbai more than ever." Didn't George Bush ask Americans to go out and shop after 9/11? Ah yes. 9/11, the day we can't seem to get away from.
 
Though one chapter of horror in Mumbai has ended, another might have just begun. Day after day, a powerful, vociferous section of the Indian elite, goaded by marauding TV anchors who make Fox News look almost radical and leftwing, have taken to mindlessly attacking politicians, all politicians, glorifying the police and the army and virtually asking for a police state. It isn't surprising that those who have grown plump on the pickings of democracy (such as it is) should now be calling for a police state. The era of "pickings" is long gone. We're now in the era of Grabbing by Force, and democracy has a terrible habit of getting in the way.
 
Dangerous, stupid television flashcards like the Police are Good Politicians are Bad/Chief Executives are Good Chief Ministers are Bad/Army is Good Government is Bad/ India is Good Pakistan is Bad are being bandied about by TV channels that have already whipped their viewers into a state of almost uncontrollable hysteria.
 
Tragically, this regression into intellectual infancy comes at a time when people in India were beginning to see that in the business of terrorism, victims and perpetrators sometimes exchange roles. It's an understanding that the people of Kashmir, given their dreadful experiences of the last 20 years, have honed to an exquisite art. On the mainland we're still learning. (If Kashmir won't willingly integrate into India, it's beginning to look as though India will integrate/disintegrate into Kashmir.)
 
It was after the 2001 parliament attack that the first serious questions began to be raised. A campaign by a group of lawyers and activists exposed how innocent people had been framed by the police and the press, how evidence was fabricated, how witnesses lied, how due process had been criminally violated at every stage of the investigation. Eventually the courts acquitted two out of the four accused, including SAR Geelani, the man whom the police claimed was the mastermind of the operation. A third, Showkat Guru, was acquitted of all the charges brought against him but was then convicted for a fresh, comparatively minor offence.
 
The supreme court upheld the death sentence of another of the accused, Mohammad Afzal. In its judgment the court acknowledged there was no proof that Mohammed Afzal belonged to any terrorist group, but went on to say, quite shockingly, "The collective conscience of the society will only be satisfied if capital punishment is awarded to the offender." Even today we don't really know who the terrorists that attacked the Indian parliament were and who they worked for.
 
More recently, on September 19 this year, we had the controversial "encounter" at Batla House in Jamia Nagar, Delhi, where the Special Cell of the Delhi police gunned down two Muslim students in their rented flat under seriously questionable circumstances, claiming that they were responsible for serial bombings in Delhi, Jaipur and Ahmedabad in 2008. An assistant commissioner of Police, Mohan Chand Sharma, who played a key role in the parliament attack investigation, lost his life as well. He was one of India's many "encounter specialists" known and rewarded for having summarily executed several "terrorists".
 
There was an outcry against the Special Cell from a spectrum of people, ranging from eyewitnesses in the local community to senior Congress Party leaders, students, journalists, lawyers, academics and activists all of whom demanded a judicial inquiry into the incident. In response, the BJP and LK Advani lauded Mohan Chand Sharma as a "Braveheart" and launched a concerted campaign in which they targeted those who had dared to question the integrity of the police, saying it was "suicidal" and calling them "anti-national". Of course there has been no inquiry.
 
Only days after the Batla House event, another story about "terrorists" surfaced in the news. In a report submitted to a sessions court, the CBI said that a team from Delhi's Special Cell (the same team that led the Batla House encounter, including Mohan Chand Sharma) had abducted two innocent men, Irshad Ali and Moarif Qamar, in December 2005, planted 2kg of RDX and two pistols on them and then arrested them as "terrorists" who belonged to Al Badr (which operates out of Kashmir). Ali and Qamar who have spent years in jail, are only two examples out of hundreds of Muslims who have been similarly jailed, tortured and even killed on false charges.
 
This pattern changed in October 2008 when Maharashtra's Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) that was investigating the September 2008 Malegaon blasts arrested a Hindu preacher Sadhvi Pragya, a self-styled God man Swami Dayanand Pande and Lt Col Purohit, a serving officer of the Indian Army. All the arrested belong to Hindu Nationalist organizations including a Hindu Supremacist group called Abhinav Bharat. The Shiv Sena, the BJP and the RSS condemned the Maharashtra ATS, and vilified its chief, Hemant Karkare, claiming he was part of a political conspiracy and declaring that "Hindus could not be terrorists". LK Advani changed his mind about his policy on the police and made rabble rousing speeches to huge gatherings in which he denounced the ATS for daring to cast aspersions on holy men and women.
 
On the November 25 newspapers reported that the ATS was investigating the high profile VHP Chief Pravin Togadia's possible role in the Malegaon blasts. The next day, in an extraordinary twist of fate, Hemant Karkare was killed in the Mumbai Attacks. The chances are that the new chief whoever he is, will find it hard to withstand the political pressure that is bound to be brought on him over the Malegaon investigation.
 
While the Sangh Parivar does not seem to have come to a final decision over whether or not it is anti-national and suicidal to question the police, Arnab Goswami, anchorperson of Times Now television, has stepped up to the plate. He has taken to naming, demonising and openly heckling people who have dared to question the integrity of the police and armed forces. My name and the name of the well-known lawyer Prashant Bhushan have come up several times. At one point, while interviewing a former police officer, Arnab Goswami turned to camera: "Arundhati Roy and Prashant Bhushan," he said, "I hope you are watching this. We think you are disgusting." For a TV anchor to do this in an atmosphere as charged and as frenzied as the one that prevails today, amounts to incitement as well as threat, and would probably in different circumstances have cost a journalist his or her job.
 
So according to a man aspiring to be the next prime minister of India, and another who is the public face of a mainstream TV channel, citizens have no right to raise questions about the police. This in a country with a shadowy history of suspicious terror attacks, murky investigations, and fake "encounters". This in a country that boasts of the highest number of custodial deaths in the world and yet refuses to ratify the International Covenant on Torture. A country where the ones who make it to torture chambers are the lucky ones because at least they've escaped being "encountered" by our Encounter Specialists. A country where the line between the Underworld and the Encounter Specialists virtually does not exist.
 
How should those of us whose hearts have been sickened by the knowledge of all of this view the Mumbai attacks, and what are we to do about them? There are those who point out that US strategy has been successful inasmuch as the United States has not suffered a major attack on its home ground since 9/11. However, some would say that what America is suffering now is far worse. If the idea behind the 9/11 terror attacks was to goad America into showing its true colors, what greater success could the terrorists have asked for? The US army is bogged down in two unwinnable wars, which have made the United States the most hated country in the world.
 
Those wars have contributed greatly to the unraveling of the American economy and who knows, perhaps eventually the American empire. (Could it be that battered, bombed Afghanistan, the graveyard of the Soviet Union, will be the undoing of this one too?) Hundreds of thousands people including thousands of American soldiers have lost their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan. The frequency of terrorist strikes on U.S allies/agents (including India) and U.S interests in the rest of the world has increased dramatically since 9/11. George Bush, the man who led the US response to 9/11 is a despised figure not just internationally, but also by his own people. Who can possibly claim that the United States is winning the war on terror?
 
Homeland Security has cost the US government billions of dollars. Few countries, certainly not India, can afford that sort of price tag. But even if we could, the fact is that this vast homeland of ours cannot be secured or policed in the way the United States has been. It's not that kind of homeland. We have a hostile nuclear weapons state that is slowly spinning out of control as a neighbour, we have a military occupation in Kashmir and a shamefully persecuted, impoverished minority of more than 150 million Muslims who are being targeted as a community and pushed to the wall, whose young see no justice on the horizon, and who, were they to totally lose hope and radicalise, end up as a threat not just to India, but to the whole world. If ten men can hold off the NSG commandos, and the police for three days, and if it takes half a million soldiers to hold down the Kashmir valley, do the math. What kind of Homeland Security can secure India?
 
Nor for that matter will any other quick fix. Anti-terrorism laws are not meant for terrorists; they're for people that governments don't like. That's why they have a conviction rate of less than 2%. They're just a means of putting inconvenient people away without bail for a long time and eventually letting them go. Terrorists like those who attacked Mumbai are hardly likely to be deterred by the prospect of being refused bail or being sentenced to death.. It's what they want.
 
What we're experiencing now is blowback, the cumulative result of decades of quick fixes and dirty deeds. The carpet's squelching under our feet.
The only way to contain (it would be naïve to say end) terrorism is to look at the monster in the mirror. We're standing at a fork in the road. One sign says Justice, the other Civil War. There's no third sign and there's no going back. Choose.
 
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[ALOCHONA] The Legacy of the Jewels of our Crown (from Dr. Nusrat Rabbee)

Dear Moderator, I would be delighted if you publish the following
piece on the martyred intellectual day 2008 anniversary. The piece
has appeared in Bangla in Prothom Alo on December 14th, 2008. Many
thanks, Dr. Nusrat Rabbee


The Legacy of the Jewels of Our Crown
=====================================
My father, Shaheed Dr. Mohammed Fazle Rabbee, was not a man of
ordinary intellect. The remarkable combination of his intellect,
personality and humanity were recognized by all those who knew him.
When the news of Professor Rabbee's assassination reached worldwide,
Mrs. Rabbee received over 200 telegrams of personal condolences. One
of the messages was from Sir Francis Avery Jones, the most
distinguished British surgeon of his era. It read, "Mrs. Rabbee, in
the next 100 years, I doubt that the indo-pak subcontinent can
recover from the loss of a physician of the magnitude of your
husband".

On my father's 37th death anniversary today, I feel compelled to
commemorate the vision of these legendary martyrs, in light of the
recent attacks in Mumbai where a Bangladeshi national had allegedly
played a role.

Dr. Rabbee did not believe that religion should be used to
perpetrate violence and repression of ordinary people. In fact, he
believed in humanism which is a philosophy which affirms the dignity
and worth of all people. Humanism can be traced back to Greek,
Islamic, Judaic and Roman roots where religious thinkers opened up
to the ideas of equality, education (including music, poetry, dance
and science) and human dignity for everyone.

The martyred intellectuals believed in the struggle for freedom, but
their path forward was a non-violent one. Their conviction in truth
and justice was more powerful than the massive military force of the
Pakistani government, which was ultimately defeated.

Professor Rabbee was a captivating presence when lecturing his
students on medicine, science or philosophy. He urged them to open
their minds and hearts in compassion to the patient. He did not
concern himself a great deal with life after death, nor did he count
on supernatural interventions during one's lifetime. He put great
emphasis on the way we live our lives, here on earth, on a daily
basis. He knew that no society can progress when so many people are
left behind, as was the case with East Pakistan . He urged everyone
to be self-reliant, but also help each other to get out of hopeless
situations. So powerful were his lectures, that the Pakistani army
took him into their headquarters one evening and questioned him
about his incredible popularity in 1970. Professor Rabbee inquired
whether he had committed a crime. They released him promptly then
but such harassments from the army continued until the war finally
began in 1971.

Professor Rabbee was completely engaged in the liberation war for
its entire duration. Towards the end, he looked forward to building
a country where the constitution would reflect the core values of
all religions: equality, tolerance, secularism, human dignity and
honor. He knew that the new government would need to prioritize
education, nationalized health care, and poverty elimination at the
top of its agenda. The Islamic fundamentalists were opposed to such
progressive ideas. So strong was their hatred of Bangalees, they
killed nearly 3,000,000 innocent people, in the name of Islam,
within nine months. Like the Nazis in Germany , the terrorists in
east and west Pakistan, had a clear blueprint for methodically
destroying the economic, intellectual, logistical infrastructure of
East Pakistan prior to surrendering to India on December 16th, 1971.
With the help of India , we soundly defeated Pakistan . Since that
time, Bangladesh has been a sovereign nation for thirty seven years.
The paramount sacrifices of 1971 have made this journey possible.
Even though Bangladesh has waivered between military regimes and
democracy over the years, most would agree that she has also made
substantial progress; gaining international recognition in the
export-oriented garment industry and the microloan programs of the
Grameen bank.

At this critical time, we must clearly acknowledge that the same
dark forces of 1971 continue to use the name of Islam to justify
their actions of fear and violence in our region. In fact the
history of terrorism dates back even farther to the repression of
our language movement in the 50's, to the assassination of Mahatma
Gandhi in 1948 by a Hindu extremist, as well as to the violent
partition between India and Pakistan in 1947.

We cannot honor the birth of Bangladesh and the supreme sacrifice of
our martyred intellectuals without making these historical
interconnections.
If Bangladesh is to continue her journey in the new era of global
commerce, science and technology and regional stability, we will
need to be mindful to stop these dark forces before the cost is too
dear to us once more. Should we just stop at merely condemning the
unconscionable acts of terrorists in the Mumbai attacks, including
those of the Bangladeshi national who had allegedly participated in
them? I think not. Education and elimination of poverty need to rise
to the top of the national agenda. Professor Rabbee dedicated his
life to truth and justice by tirelessly working towards eliminating
the struggles of the common person. The lives of heroes like him
should inspire each of us to continue on the path of light. I end
with a quote from the beloved Mahatma Gandhi,

"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of
truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers
and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always
fall — think of it, always."

Dr. Nusrat Rabbee, PhD, is the daughter of Shaheed Dr. Mohammed
Fazle Rabbee and Late Dr. Mrs. Jahan Ara Rabbee. She can be reached
at nrabbee@yahoo.com .

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RE: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism


         The mean-spirited snarls of maqsud omar have crosed all bounds of civility.  Such is the demeanor of typical Jamaati. 
          Jamaat is founded upon a totalitarian concept of social organization that requires complete control over people's mind and hence their lives.  The fake Moulana (he had no grounding in Madrassa education, nor any credited religious school training) Mowdudi was a great admirer of Mussolini and European-style totalitarianism.
 
         If maqsud omar thinks such an organization or "political" party as Jamaat should be allowed to partake in democracy then he is what he has described himself:
              ".... very ordinary, half-educated, shallow, chaotic, disorganized, hollow people".
        
          This Charlatan Abid Bahar can also be comfortably fitted in that description. He should also be condemned for spreading ridiculous lies and ignoramus ideas about "fundamentalism." Religious fundamentalism is a modern phenomenon whose birth is located in American Christian Protestantism in the 1920's.  There has been a monumental study conducted under professors Martin Marty and Scott Appleby on Fundamentalism whose volumes are published by the University of Chicago 1992-96.
 
            This information is perhaps a bit too much for the Half-educated Abid Bahar who parades his own pedantry like a crow stuck with a few scraggly peacock feathers.
 
             Jamaat of Bangladesh has blood dripping from their hands, and everyday there are fresh droplets added to that drip. Someday very soon Allah will find us deliverance from the scourge of Jamaat.
 
             That day cannot come any sooner.
 
              Farida Majid



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From: maqsudo@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:32:46 +0000
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism



re: isha khan
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1 thing has always confused me....we say/ demand  that....we beleive in democracy...but we do not want to accept elected MP...if he/she belongs to
Jamaat??!! And we criticize them non-stop, often without any valid reason.What kind of hippocracy is that!

Someone may not have supported AL leadership and the method of our liberation process, with the help of Indians.
what is the problem with that?
That was his/her personal philosophy. attitude. Why we cant accept it...if we beleive in democratic process??

Isn't it true..without any supporting documents....that people with a big mouth,in 2008, ...talking about " anti- liberation forces "
etc.....are basically just CHAPA BAJ, striving for cheap attention and upgrading their social status? Do they actually contribute anything....to the poor... hungry...
sick...helpless people?
My experience has been that ...people shouting against Jamaat , usually are very ordinary, half-educated, shallow, chaotic,
disorganized, hollow people.

What has been your experience?

Best wishes.
Khoda hafez.

dr. maqsud omar








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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:14:27 -0800
Subject: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

Abid Bahar

Is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? The answer is both yes and no. First, what is fundamentalism? It is the official practice of the basic principles of a religion and very importantly, as the dominant religion, imposing them to control the politics of a country. When that happens in a multi religious country, the rights of minorities are violated. Fundamenta lists do it with their claim of ownership of the country and by implication, see the other religious groups as foreigners. So primarily,  it is a question of intolerance associated with fundamentalism.

Is fundamentalism a problem only in Islam? Let me start by saying that contrary to Western propaganda, fundamentalist movement is there in every religion. It is even present in its most dangerous manifestations in Buddhist countries such as in Burma, Thailand, Sri Lanka and in Cambodia, the latter even carried out a genocide against minorities. These are Theravada fundamentalist Buddhist countries. Here the innocent looking monks are very much active in politics even in the destruction of religious sites of other religions, namely, Muslim and Christian. In India and Pakistan minority rights were being denied by the fundamentalists claiming as in India as the Rama Raja, or Pakistan as a Muslim country.

Given the right mood, we see that the manifestation of fundamentalist outbeak can take place anywhere. We see this even in India, a country officially calls itself secular. In India, before  1992, the most unpopular party, BJP could only win two seats in the parliament. But in 1992 it took up the issue of Babri Mosque and claimed that it was the birth place of Rama, a Hindu God. But surprisingly  Rama was not a historic figure. However,  the claim by the BJP satisfied the Hindu majority and on the open day light Hindu fundamentalists marched to the Mosque site and destroyed the Mosque. About 10,000 people were killed in the carnage. Instead of putting the criminal leader Advani in jail, in Indian democracy this fundamentalist leader formed the government and became the Home minister; shaming a country claims itself as the world's biggest democracy. This is an issue of using religion in politics. 

The worst part of fundamentalism is to display anger toward its enemy and its attack of civilian sites. In 2001 some alledgly fundamentalist followers of Osama bin Laden attacked the World Trade Centre buildings in New York city killing approximately 3000 innocent people which led to the release of huge anger among American people and leadership led by Protestant fundamentalist leader George W. Bush. Bush identified himself as the Christian zionist found an excuse to attack Iraq and even before attacked Afganistan causing the death of approximately a million people. Are the terrorists of the trade centre true Muslims? Most Muslims believe no. Is George who led an illegal war in Iraq a true Christian, the answer would be no.

Therefore, the problem with fundamentalism is its show of anger and retalliation against its perceived enemy and its use of violence in the name of God. In India the attack on Babri Mosque followed counter attacks in bombay and more counter attacks are going on in almost all the Indian cities. Here Hindus are killing Muslims and Christians and Muslim killing innocent Hindus. Only lately, some Pakistani fundamentalists entered India and attacked Bombay, killing close to two hundred innocent people and injuring many others.

 In addition to the above, the biggest problem with most fundamentalist movements is, it does not allow diversification; it resists change. It demands a society to remain stagnant. It resists the growth in art, music, business, women's rights and in the other areas. It forces human spirit to die down. Fundamentalist movements in certain religions discurages women to not work outside their homes, thus allowing half of the population and the country to remain backward. It has been a lingering problem in Muslim countries thus helping the countries to stagnate allowing more powerful countries to attack them. This is very much a problem in Muslim countries.
The deadly fundamentalist movements in Muslim countries, however, seem contrary to what the Prophet of Islam advised to his followers and said: "For knowledge even go to China." Education is essential for every Muslim man and woman." Contrary to the Talibans, in the days of the Prophet, Muslim man and women could pray together. Khadija, the wife of the Prophet was a business woman. Ibn Rusd, who was opposed by the fundamentalists of Cordova to be the chief advisor to the Caliph, but his ideas were known to have helped in the European Renaissance.  Thus, he was recognized as  one of the masters of European Renaissance. Strangely though, the Taliban's primitive practices in the rapidly changing economies of our time made Islam laughable to the humanity that is responding to the demands of global change.  

Is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? Yes, it is against change. It is against development, against human rights. It is against development because the fundamentalist leaders interpretation finds change to be  wrong. As opposed to this, human history shows that change is the most unchanging thing in the world.

Is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? Yes, because it brings religion into politics. It kills innocent people.

Finally, is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? We can also say no, but only if religion remaines the personal belief of its followers as the sufis in Islam do. Sufis are very religious people but stay away from politics. There is nothing wrong in being religious, to observe the basic tenents of one's religion such as doing salat, fasting, going for hajj etc. Fundamentalism in that sense is not wrong.  Then, is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? The answer is both yes and no.

Bangladesh to develop has to resist both the forces of Fascism and fundamentalism; because both preches violence. These two are as if like the same body of a poisonous two headed snake. They take every opportunity to kill their prey only to get to power.

What is at stake is to help save innocent lives from these angry primitives justifying their killings in the name of God and with the holy book in their hands reciting the lines of their choice and the Fascist leaders violating the rule of law, resort to control the country by controlling the streets.

 





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