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[ALOCHONA] “2 points” out of “3” of MNS has been accepted by the political parties

 

"Request for active participation in the Movement of MNS for 90% poverty & corruption free Bangladesh within 2015"

(Need only proper action on "3 points" by the Government)

 

For details, please visit www.minimumneeds.org.

 

 

Dear Brothers & Sisters,

 

Greeting from the heart of Bangladesh. It is really great news!!!

 

Minimum Needs Society (MNS) would like to show heartiest gratitude to the political parties as they have accepted "2" points out of "3" mentioning in their election manifesto. Mentionable that MNS has proposed the parties about the "3 Points" to the various levels of the parties.

 

3 points were as follows :

 

  1. Permanent "Money for Work Project" in rural areas based on "Social Welfare Business Model".
  2. Unemployment allowances for the vulnerable educated young or internship like medical students passing from universities at a rate of maximum 60% of their classes.
  3. Permanent salary scale based on "The Guideline of Minimum Needs".

 

But for the second point parties didn't mentioned clearly though it is very much important to save our young generation.  

 

We earnestly request you, who have true feelings to ill-fated people and corruption free legal income through business/services/inherited legal properties acceptable to the family, society, state & religion to actively participate in the movement of MNS.

 

 

Thanks & Regards,


Engr. Mosharraf H. Khan

ICT Consultant

Secretary General & ED, MNS

 

Ex-Head of GTC Nokia Service Department &

Ex-Head of ICT, Grameen Telecom


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Re: [ALOCHONA] Fw: Two nation theory and Bangladesh: Nizami preaches Jinnah's 'two-nation theory'

Nizami can take his two nation theory and shove it where the sun never shines.
 
By the way, it is a historical inaccuracy and misinterpretation of the ummah. Prophet's exile in Medina, and the establishment of the first "ummah" or community included a handful of Muslims, Jews, Christians, Pagans, Sabians, et. al. It is Caliph Umar who isolated and re-defined the ummah in Muslim ummah and the rest for his military expeditions. Caliph Umar was responsible for expanding the Islamic Caliphate and declaring war against the non-Muslim states/regions/tribes. Until Umar's unilateral declaration of war and his expansionism, these people were considered to be a part of the Ummah. Check out the history books on the Islamic Caliphate...from the Library of Congress to the British Library. Don't let Nizami redefine history.
 
C


From: S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
To: A. K. M. Rezaul Karim <rezaulkarim1976@yahoo.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 1:53:12 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Fw: Two nation theory and Bangladesh: Nizami preaches Jinnah's 'two-nation theory'

 

Dear members,
 
Assalamu alaikum.Please see the news below in which Mr Matiur Rahman Nizami has been maliciously criticized by a section of the leftist press in Dhaka.
 
 It is wrong to say hat Two nation theory  was made by Mr.Mohammad Ali Jannah.In fact the main proponent was Allama Muhammad Iqbal who proposed that there would be two Muslim states in the East and the West of the subcontinent, at least one in the West. .The two nation theory was supported by all Muslim leaders including Mr Suhawardy, Mr Fazlul Haque ( who moved the Pakistan resolution in Lahore ), Abul Mansur Ahmad , Ataur Rahman Khan, Abul Hashim, Khaja Nazimuddin, Sheikh Muzibur Rahman.I do not find  Nizami sahib telling anything  which other Bangladeshi leaders have not said before..
 
Any body who has insight  in political history and Islam would admit that even the Prophet (sm ) established the Madinan state on the basis that Muslims are an Ummah and Jews are anpther Ummah ant they togeher  constituted the Islamic state of Madina..Of course in such ideological states Muslims are obligated to give all human rights to non-Muslims.
 
Any body who is un-biased would admit that  present territorial geography of Bangldesh is based on the two nation theory,  on the fact that Muslims are an overwhelming  majority ,  it is not based on ethnicity or race or language.
 
At that time all people here used to call Mr.Jinnah Quaid e Azam.I have seen that in the th 13 volume historical documents of Bangladesh ( Shadhinatar Dalilpatra ),It was  so in  United Front manifesto in 1954 , it was so in the sppeches of Suhrawardy , the leader of Awami League, in the speeches of Sheikh Sahib..( Please see the documents ).Sheikh sahib was one of the campaigners for Fatima Jinnah as the Presidential candidate in 1965 along with Professor Ghulam Azam and other political leaders .( Reference--ibid )They all the time said that Fatima Jinnah was so great as was his brother Quaidw Azam .
 
I am not commenting on other points.
 
Shah Abdul Hannan
NB  ---If possible , please forward to your friends
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Syed Aslam  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:29 PM
Subject: [khabor.com] Pakistanization of Bangladesh: Nizami preaches Jinnah's 'two-nation theory'

 
Jinnah's 'two-nation theory' still relevant here: Nizami
 
 do not like us Bangladeshis because we are Muslims."

"The Indian soldiers plundered our country indiscriminately during the liberation war.

" [They] took away not only the arms and ammunition abandoned by the Pakistani troops, but also stripped our factories down to the nuts and bolts and robbed educational institutions of their laboratory equipment and decamped with even bags of blood from the blood banks," Nizami alleged.

Calling Sheikh Mujib 'a crafty politician', Nizami said immediately after declaring the four state principles in India, on return home Mujib had joined ranks with the Muslim ummah.

Mujib had started his political career as a Muslim League volunteer, the Jamaat-e-Islami chief said, and along with his close comrade Tajuddin Ahmed had fought championing the two-nation theory.

He continued, "Sheikh Hasina is now vowing that they will not make any legislation which might contradict the Koran or the Sunnah, which nullifies all their messages on secularism delivered so far!"

"Hasina is also claiming that they will go by the provisions of the 1972 constitution, if voted to power this time, which will mean they will recourse to laws that would contradict the Koran and the Sunnah!"

He said the country had traversed backward during the emergency rule, for which the grand alliance and its leader Hasina had been responsible.

She now has to bear the brunt of the misrule wrought by the caretaker government, Nizami declared.

Calling upon the audience to make the four-party alliance victor in the forthcoming polls, he said, "There is no alternative to the four-party alliance at this critical juncture if you want to see this nation free from all shackles."
http://www.bdnews24 .com/details. php?cid=3&id=71318

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Syed Aslam <syed.aslam3@ gmail.com>
Date: Dec 11, 2008 11:17 AM
Subject: Pakistanization of Bangladesh : Jamaat espouses blasphemy law in it's election manifesto
 
Jamaat's manifesto promises 'rights for the freedom fighters'
 
 
Note: Article 295C of the Pakistani Criminal Code – the notorious "blasphemy

Dhaka, Dec 11 (bdnews24.com) – Jamaat-e-Islami has promised inclusion of freedom fighters in the government Hajj delegation, formulation of a blasphemy law, elimination of terrorism and administrative reforms.

Jamaat amir Motiur Rahman Nizami declared the manifesto Thursday morning at the party's central office.

"Due to the absence of a blasphemy law, Daud Haider and Taslima Nasreen are forced to live outside the country," said Nizami.

"The declaration of the date for the withdrawal of the state of emergency has removed all concern surrounding the election," Nizami said.

"There will not be any problem related to seat allocation within the four party alliance," he added.

The salient features in Jamaat's manifesto are: basic education for all Muslim men and women, broadcasting of Islamic ideals through radio and television, taking efforts to stop gambling, drinking and other immoral acts, separate transportation for men and women, establishing accountable administration, freeing administration of corruption, building up the armed forces, establishing a wage board to provide farmers with the minimum wages and facilities, building flyovers and underground rails for Dhaka, rural loans and waiver of agricultural interest.

"Jamaat will go to polls with the symbol of the balance," said Nizami.

bdnews24.com/ ehb/ad/th/ jk/tf/2025hours

http://www.bdnews24 .com/details. php?id=70904&cid=3

 
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Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: FBCCI plans to bring Khaleda, Hasina together on economic issuesþ

We need new leaders, progressive and visionary leaders...and not these incompetent morons! Enough is enough! Hasina, Khaleda, and these politicians have got to stop prostituting our country.


From: ezajur <ezajur.rahman@q8.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:29:38 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: FBCCI plans to bring Khaleda, Hasina together on economic issuesþ

Dear Alochoks

The FBCCI should start a match making service or a marriage
counselling service.

But the main point of course is that Hasina and Khaleda are back. So
the men of AL and BNP have found their genitals again. Poor guys. How
they suffered for two years without these two women - and without a
real man in their ranks.

Yeah - blame it on the ordinary people.

Bangladeshi party men are the biggest bunch of eunuchs since the fall
of the Chinese Empire.

Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait

--- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "badrul_islam2001"
<badrul_islam2001@ ...> wrote:
>
> The Staff Correspondent of New Age on its issue of December 13,2008
> writes,"The Federation of Bangladesh Chambers of Commerce and
> Industry president, Annisul Huq, on Friday told New Age that Hasina
> during meeting with business leaders the day before Eid-ul-Azha,
gave
> her consent to attend the convention and the businesspeople hoped
> Khalda would also agree.
> The business community expects an appointment with Khaleda Zia
in
> a day or two to discuss issues related to the convention scheduled
> for December 27.
> `The two leaders at the convention may hear what the business
> community expects from the next elected government and the
> opposition,' said Annisul.
> `The business community wants to place the priority development
> agenda which are to be essentially and immediately implemented to
> foster economic or industrial development, ' he said. The federation
> at the convention will hand over to the leaders its own vision
paper
> detailing the priority agenda.
> The vision paper was prepared according to the suggestions made
by
> affiliated trade associations and chambers across the country and
was
> discussed in two business conferences in Dhaka and Chittagong in
> November."
> Both AL and BNP have, in the meantime, placed before the Nation,
> people-oriented manifesto, and therefore I should sincerely
> hope ,that both would eagerly sieze this oppurtunity to finalize
> this programme with FBCCI which in turn will boost the morale of
the
> Citizens who are set to Vote on December 29,2008.
> 0ne important point of "Hartal " has not been mentioned here, but
has
> been widely talked about FBCCI Members and Citizens and Mr. Annisul
> Huq has on TV had mentioned that this point would be highlighted
too
> in this programme. 0n this issue there is a catch that has been
> intelligently mentioned by New Age Editor,Mr.Nurul Kabir during his
> interview recently one Channel 1(one); that "Hartal is a
> constitutional right" but the manner in which it is being followed
> here in Bangladesh; that is the "violence that accompanies Hartal",
> is unconstitutional.
> I mention this here because the honourable Netri's would
definitely
> menton about the constitutional right but not mention the last
part.
> Having mentioned that I would suggest if at all Hartal is to be
> implemented then there are conditions that should be go with it to
> prevent violence and disruption of essential services and movement
> abilty of the Citizens. A Committee consisting of all Political
> Parties should be formed to find from the Citizens the required
> constraints and a Law should be passed to follow those. My
> suggestions for consideration are the followings:- -
> 1.That the Political Party that wishes to excercise Hartal would in
> advance inform all its politcal members,followers and activists
that
> under no circumstances they are to use any violence on Citizens.The
> members ,followers and activists will be under some senior Member
who
> would be responsible for any mischevious activity.In the even of
> violence or destruction of public or private property the party
would
> be liable to court proceedings the case being registered in the
name
> of the senior Member who will be responsible for party activists
> throughout the Country. The Courts final decision on recovery of
cost
> or replacements and or prison term would have to be accepted by them
> 2.That Essential services like DESA,WASA,TITAS GAS,AMBULANCE and
> HOSPITAL staff,(both Government and private),Fire Brigade,Export
> oriented Industies, Airport and Chittagong Port activities would be
> exempted from Hartal.
> 3.That only party workers,members or activists will implement the
> hartal in different areas so that it will be possible to identify
the
> culprits by the senior Members and the members would be able to
place
> the culprit in the court.
> 4.That NO STUDENTS either from school,college and universities
will
> be able or encouraged to participate in Hartals.
> 5.Cars/Vehicles carrying patients to hospitals will be allowed to
> move freely throughout the road.
> 6. Public grievance centre with published Telephone numbers are to
> placed at important centres- this to be arranged before
implementing
> Hartal and widely publicised through newspapers and TV channels.
> I sincerely hope that though the media this information will reach
> Mr.Annisul Huq,President of the FBCCI as well as to the honourable
> Netris.
> Wishing the best to the Netri's and the Citizens for the Elections
> 2008.
> Badrul Islam
>


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Re: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

Sir....I am afraid your justification or explanation seems rather incoherent. No one here supports violence, inefficiency, corruption, greed and all that. You get dizzy about the talk about our history? That's interesting! People like you make it sound like it happened hundreds of years ago, although we still pay for the mistakes in 1971 and afterwards. More curiously, you ask, citizens of which country talk about liberation, independence, so often? Well, I consider myself pretty well-traveled, and I can assure you, every person that I have met in different countries or who are from countries I have never been to, do talk about liberation, independence even though it happened hundreds of years ago. Even in the U.S., after 250+ years of independence, people cannot talk about the constitution without discussing America's liberty and independence. So, what's wrong with us talking about our past? Six hours before I wrote this email, I met with some reputable people from Western Europe on a business meeting, (unfortunately, I cannot disclose the country for various reasons), and at some point in our meeting, two of them gave us a history lesson on the evolution of their financial industry pre- and post- independence. Again, the point is, only the fools, ignorant, and those who are embarrassed, refuse to talk about their history.

 

You over-simplify the complex path of our democracy by stating that people elected Jamaat, hence it is a sign of healthy democracy. But you should state that Jamaat et. al. got elected because they received indemnity from Bangabandhu, they got into the political arena because of Ziaur Rahman, they flourished under the patronage of Ershad, and resurfaced in the first Khaleda govt. Our scumbag politicians have paved Jamaat's way for re-election, and when people went to the voting booth, the alternatives were non-existent.

 

I never told anyone how they should vote. You should stop misinterpreting my comments. Perhaps, it is time for you to wake up and read my comments carefully. I said that if a group of "independent" people choose to vote for those very people who actively worked against their independence, then this group neither deserves a democracy, nor do they deserve independence. I stand by my statement.

 

You are right. I am not a psychologist, nor do I pretend to be one. But I find it laughable when you, out of all people, criticize me for "condemning those who had different opinion about liberation". Goes to show that you neither understand how ironic your own statement is, nor do you comprehend that the state of being liberated is not an "opinion". It is an existential question, and those who oppose others right to exist, others right to be liberated, are worthy of total condemnation. If someone tells you tomorrow that you cannot roam freely, talk freely, or practice your beliefs, in Australia or elsewhere because it is their "opinion" that you are not worthy of being liberated, then I am sure you would condemn them too for the infringement of your rights.

 

What flabbergasts me over and over again about your comments is that WHEN, exactly when, did I or anyone advocate for mob justice for the Jamaat group? Have we not always demanded lawful prosecution of the war criminals? Where do you find these random ideas that we are advocating for their lynching?! Albeit not a bad idea, we do have respect for the law and we abide by them.

 

It's an asinine question to ask how long I want to shed tears for 1971! The answer is, as long as it takes to make our independence worth the fight. It is not a bygone occurrence that has no relevance in our current lives. What we did, and what was done to us during 1971 and afterwards have tremendous socio-political and economic consequences in BD, which obviously does not register with you or people like you. They would be happy to close the chapter on 1971. But little do you understand that it is not about the war of independence that we are talking about, it is the principles and the ideals that we fought for, it is about the sacrifices that we (including you) made, it is about what does a free and independent Bangladesh mean for us and our successors. Honestly, you don't get that point? All these seem rather sentimental nonsense to you?

 

It's interesting that you give the example of the Jewish community, who remember and are reminded of the holocaust every day; although for many of my Jewish friends it is a memory of their grandparents. So, why is it a terrible thing that we remember and reminded of our Bengali holocaust once a week, and remember what our independence means to us? You see the inherent contradiction in your own statement? What makes you think that Jews are the only group that work hard, and that we, Bangladeshis don't? You must be completely out of touch with the common people in Bangladesh to even imply that Bangladeshis are not working hard enough! We all do our part, in our own way towards progress, prosperity, and community building, of which you know nothing, but quick to judge those who talk about our independence.

 

I am sorry to hear about the losses of your family, and whether you choose to talk about it or not are your prerogative. I don't carry my faith and my patriotism in my sleeves either, although I too come from a very well known family of freedom-fighters. I choose not to talk about my family, but I would never shy away from talking about our independence....our common bond that ties us, regardless of our differences. If you think that talking about your independence is a false pretense, I am afraid, you've got it all wrong! 

 

You want to know about new projects in BD? How about starting one? Economic possibilities? Let's talk about our monetary and fiscal policies, shall we? Our socio-economic prosperity "going forward"? Let's talk about social policies that have bankrupted us, and how we can root out elements that are contrary to the secular principles of our constitution. Let's talk about law and order, constitution, enforcement of laws, foreign relations, growing unrest, double-digit inflation, unemployment, environmental disasters. For the last seven or eight years, I think I have wrote enough about these subjects here at Alochona. So far, I am yet to hear any of those forward looking ideas from you, except for sniping, vile remarks about people who talk about independence and AL supporters. You should practice what you preach! After all, you should become the change that you seek, right?

 

Cheers,

Cyrus

 



From: maqsud omaba <maqsudo@hotmail.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:37:13 AM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

re: cyrus
-----------
I never support violence, Baktreeta-baji, corruption, in-efficiency, greed and political-morons.
I am not a chamcha of jamaat.
I get dizzy, when people talk about " liberation war, anti-libaration- force, Freedom-fighting" ....234 times a year.
Citizens of which country....talk about liberation, independence. ..so often?
And then...nourish corruption and in-efficiency to the extreme.!
Havn't Bangladeshi citizens elected Jamaat -members( war criminals??) as MP? If you can't respect any MP, ask few wise-men...
what kind of confused person you are.....as far as democracy is concerned!
You want to tell other people whom to vote and whom to elect.....it is time for you to wake up.
By condemning people, who had different opinion about " liberation-war" , you will not achieve much.
I do know quite a bit about all the atrocities, committed by some Bangldeshis ( and Pakistanis) in 1971. They should be punished,
according to law, not according to revengeful-emotion.
We should talk less about democracy/liberatio n and contribute more to the community.
You may have read few pages from psychology books, but unfortunately, your comments about my profile is not accurate.
For how long YOU want to shed tears for atrocities of 1971?!
When you will leave such sad experience behind you and move forward?
Jews don't talk ONLY about atrocities done to them, they ALSO work hard and nourish/ practise  progress, sincerity,
dedication, community-building.

And reasonable Bdeshi will talk about liberation war ONCE a year and utilize his energy/ time  for positive, contructive projects for
himself and for the country.
Our house was burnt by biharis, my brother is a FF.....one of the first to undertake mission in Dhaka.....
but I seldom talk about that...I prefer to know about new projects in Bdesh, new economic possibilities invloving ordinary
people, new development in Bdesh.
Shouldn't YOU do take 1 more step....forward, not backward.

Best wishes.

Khoda hafez.




To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
From: thoughtocrat@ yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:05:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

Dr. Omar:
 
I get your convulated argument about democracy and Jamaat's validity. If people elect those war criminals to power, then the people of Bangladesh do not deserve democracy. It's like electing the nazi party into modern German parliament. But that's aside...what I find appalling is the following statement:
 
"...without any supporting documents... .that people with a big mouth,in 2008, ...talking about " anti- liberation forces " etc.....are basically just CHAPA BAJ, striving for cheap attention and upgrading their social status? Do they actually contribute anything.... to the poor... hungry...sick. ..helpless people? My experience has been that ...people shouting against Jamaat , usually are very ordinary, half-educated, shallow, chaotic, disorganized, hollow people.

It is obvious to me that you have neither seen nor believe in the mountain of pictures, video footage, eye witnesses who have witnessed the "anti-liberation forces" and their atrocities. People who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it, sir, and denying the Bengali holocaust is ignorant and vile.
 
Your hyper-inflated self-worth makes you think that those people who oppose the anti-liberation forces do not contribute to the poor, hungry, sick and helpless, and it is you who do. In this forum, I can name at least 20 people who do their work silently for the betterment of people, and don't talk about their benevolent work every week in their postings. You must be the only self-appointed benevolent in your tiny Australian community!
 
You found the anti-Jamaat people "ordinary, half educated, shallow, chaotic, disorganized, and hollow"!To borrow a psychological term, I think you are projecting your own personal deficiencies on others. What can I say to a self-delusional megalomaniac who believes in his self-worth to the point of sociopathic narcissism?! @  
 
Good luck with your delusional narcissism.
 
C

 

From: maqsud omaba <maqsudo@hotmail. com>
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 2:32:46 AM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism


re: isha khan
------------ --

1 thing has always confused me....we say/ demand  that....we beleive in democracy... but we do not want to accept elected MP...if he/she belongs to
Jamaat??!! And we criticize them non-stop, often without any valid reason.What kind of hippocracy is that!

Someone may not have supported AL leadership and the method of our liberation process, with the help of Indians.
what is the problem with that?
That was his/her personal philosophy. attitude. Why we cant accept it...if we beleive in democratic process??

Isn't it true..without any supporting documents... .that people with a big mouth,in 2008, ...talking about " anti- liberation forces "
etc.....are basically just CHAPA BAJ, striving for cheap attention and upgrading their social status? Do they actually contribute anything.... to the poor... hungry...
sick...helpless people?
My experience has been that ...people shouting against Jamaat , usually are very ordinary, half-educated, shallow, chaotic,
disorganized, hollow people.

What has been your experience?

Best wishes.
Khoda hafez.

dr. maqsud omar









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From: bd_mailer@yahoo. com
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:14:27 -0800
Subject: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

Abid Bahar

Is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? The answer is both yes and no. First, what is fundamentalism? It is the official practice of the basic principles of a religion and very importantly, as the dominant religion, imposing them to control the politics of a country. When that happens in a multi religious country, the rights of minorities are violated. Fundamenta lists do it with their claim of ownership of the country and by implication, see the other religious groups as foreigners. So primarily,  it is a question of intolerance associated with fundamentalism.

Is fundamentalism a problem only in Islam? Let me start by saying that contrary to Western propaganda, fundamentalist movement is there in every religion. It is even present in its most dangerous manifestations in Buddhist countries such as in Burma, Thailand, Sri Lanka and in Cambodia, the latter even carried out a genocide against minorities. These are Theravada fundamentalist Buddhist countries. Here the innocent looking monks are very much active in politics even in the destruction of religious sites of other religions, namely, Muslim and Christian. In India and Pakistan minority rights were being denied by the fundamentalists claiming as in India as the Rama Raja, or Pakistan as a Muslim country.

Given the right mood, we see that the manifestation of fundamentalist outbeak can take place anywhere. We see this even in India, a country officially calls itself secular. In India, before  1992, the most unpopular party, BJP could only win two seats in the parliament. But in 1992 it took up the issue of Babri Mosque and claimed that it was the birth place of Rama, a Hindu God. But surprisingly  Rama was not a historic figure. However,  the claim by the BJP satisfied the Hindu majority and on the open day light Hindu fundamentalists marched to the Mosque site and destroyed the Mosque. About 10,000 people were killed in the carnage. Instead of putting the criminal leader Advani in jail, in Indian democracy this fundamentalist leader formed the government and became the Home minister; shaming a country claims itself as the world's biggest democracy. This is an issue of using religion in politics. 

The worst part of fundamentalism is to display anger toward its enemy and its attack of civilian sites. In 2001 some alledgly fundamentalist followers of Osama bin Laden attacked the World Trade Centre buildings in New York city killing approximately 3000 innocent people which led to the release of huge anger among American people and leadership led by Protestant fundamentalist leader George W. Bush. Bush identified himself as the Christian zionist found an excuse to attack Iraq and even before attacked Afganistan causing the death of approximately a million people. Are the terrorists of the trade centre true Muslims? Most Muslims believe no. Is George who led an illegal war in Iraq a true Christian, the answer would be no.

Therefore, the problem with fundamentalism is its show of anger and retalliation against its perceived enemy and its use of violence in the name of God. In India the attack on Babri Mosque followed counter attacks in bombay and more counter attacks are going on in almost all the Indian cities. Here Hindus are killing Muslims and Christians and Muslim killing innocent Hindus. Only lately, some Pakistani fundamentalists entered India and attacked Bombay, killing close to two hundred innocent people and injuring many others.

 In addition to the above, the biggest problem with most fundamentalist movements is, it does not allow diversification; it resists change. It demands a society to remain stagnant. It resists the growth in art, music, business, women's rights and in the other areas. It forces human spirit to die down. Fundamentalist movements in certain religions discurages women to not work outside their homes, thus allowing half of the population and the country to remain backward. It has been a lingering problem in Muslim countries thus helping the countries to stagnate allowing more powerful countries to attack them. This is very much a problem in Muslim countries.
The deadly fundamentalist movements in Muslim countries, however, seem contrary to what the Prophet of Islam advised to his followers and said: "For knowledge even go to China." Education is essential for every Muslim man and woman." Contrary to the Talibans, in the days of the Prophet, Muslim man and women could pray together. Khadija, the wife of the Prophet was a business woman. Ibn Rusd, who was opposed by the fundamentalists of Cordova to be the chief advisor to the Caliph, but his ideas were known to have helped in the European Renaissance.  Thus, he was recognized as  one of the masters of European Renaissance. Strangely though, the Taliban's primitive practices in the rapidly changing economies of our time made Islam laughable to the humanity that is responding to the demands of global change.  

Is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? Yes, it is against change. It is against development, against human rights. It is against development because the fundamentalist leaders interpretation finds change to be  wrong. As opposed to this, human history shows that change is the most unchanging thing in the world.

Is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? Yes, because it brings religion into politics. It kills innocent people.

Finally, is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? We can also say no, but only if religion remaines the personal belief of its followers as the sufis in Islam do. Sufis are very religious people but stay away from politics. There is nothing wrong in being religious, to observe the basic tenents of one's religion such as doing salat, fasting, going for hajj etc. Fundamentalism in that sense is not wrong.  Then, is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? The answer is both yes and no.

Bangladesh to develop has to resist both the forces of Fascism and fundamentalism; because both preches violence. These two are as if like the same body of a poisonous two headed snake. They take every opportunity to kill their prey only to get to power.

What is at stake is to help save innocent lives from these angry primitives justifying their killings in the name of God and with the holy book in their hands reciting the lines of their choice and the Fascist leaders violating the rule of law, resort to control the country by controlling the streets.

 




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Sock and awe video game: Hit Bush in the face with your shoe  !
 
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Sock and Awe
See if you can hit Bush where the Iraqi journalist missed. Photograph: Public domain
It was only a matter of time – the infamous George Bush shoe-throwing incident has inspired an internet game where the player throws a brown shoe at a moving target of the president.
Sock and Awe – a pun on the US military strategy of "shock and awe" – gives players 30 seconds to try to hit Bush as many times as possible.
The Iraqi prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, can be seen peeping over a lectern next to Bush in the mock-up of the now-infamous joint news briefing on Sunday when an Iraqi journalist threw his shoes at the US president. The game gives a running total of shoes to have hit Bush in the face – there were 6,722,892 successful hits at the time of writing. The Guardian's best effort was 12 in one go.
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Re: [ALOCHONA] What is Shushil Shomaj?

Supposed to be opposite to  EVIL SOCIETY but in reality in Bangladesh it is in guise of Evil society.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:06 PM, jahid russel <jahidrussel@yahoo.com> wrote:

civil society.

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From: Ezajur Rahman <ezajur.rahman@q8.com>
Subject: [ALOCHONA] What is Shushil Shomaj?
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 4:46 AM

Dear Alochoks

 

What is the English translation of the term: Shushil Shomaj?

 

Regards

 

Ezajur Rahman




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[ALOCHONA] HARSH MANDER remembers Nellie: India’s forgotten massacre

14/12/2008

URL: http://www.thehindu.com/thehindu/mag/2008/12/14/stories/2008121450100300.htm

Hindu Magazine

BAREFOOT

Nellie: India's forgotten massacre

HARSH MANDER

 

A weak and partisan State leaves each of its citizens weak and vulnerable, as the Mumbai attacks and the gruesome Nellie massacres demonstrate… 

 

A lifetime is much too short to forget.

It was November 26, 2008, the day that was to become etched in India's history for the audacious and traumatic terrorist commando attack on the country's commercial capital Mumbai. I happened to be on that day at a location as distant as possible from Mumbai — psychologically, politically and socially — at Nellie in Assam, the site of one of free India's most brutal forgotten massacres in 1983. I had been invited by the survivors to sit with them as they recalled and commemorated the events that had unfolded in this distant impoverished corner of the country 25 years earlier.

 

Journey into the past

We gathered in the soft sunshine of early winter in an open courtyard. A crowd quickly gathered: the older men with checked lungis and beards could easily be distinguished as people of East Bengali Muslim origin. The women and younger men dressed like anyone from an Assamese village. There were the initial courtesies of traditional welcome, as they offered us customary white Assamese scarves with exquisite red embroidery.

 

Senior officials of the State government who accompanied me had gently dissuaded me from the visit, questioning the wisdom of re-opening wounds of painful events of such a distant past. People have moved on long ago, they assured me. What purpose then would our visit serve? It would only revive memories that have long been buried. The same advice came from many non-official friends who worked in development organisations in the State. They added that the visit would stir issues that were too bitterly contested in the region. But the survivors persisted in their resolve that they wanted to be heard. It was impossible for me to refuse them.

 

Enormous suffering

On February 18, 1983, in the genocidal massacre organised in Nellie, just 40 km from Guwahati , 2,191 Muslim settlers originally from Bangladesh were slaughtered, leaving 370 children orphaned and their homes in 16 villages destroyed. As the survivors spoke one by one before our gathering a quarter century later, all of us who heard them — including officials, academics, social workers — were completely stunned, and shamed, by the enormity and immediacy of their suffering today, which retained an urgency as though they had only very recently suffered the unspeakable cruelties that they gave words to, not 25 years earlier. The bodies of many were twisted and deformed by inadequately treated injuries from the assaults by machetes and daggers; others pulled back their clothes to expose frightening scars of the attacks of a generation earlier.

 

Hazara Khatun, with scars of a dagger attack on her face that she survived in 1983, sat on the ground before us and pointed to her empty lap. "I was cradling my child here", she said in a low voice. "They chopped him into two, down the middle". Another widow Alekjaan Biwi, was far less calm. Her body was twisted, and we could all see that she had lost her psychological equilibrium. Eleven members of her family were slaughtered in the massacre, and she acted out for us how the mob had attacked them, how she had cowered and hidden herself, how she was discovered and wounded, and how she survived even though scarred and deformed for life. "I have no one in the world," she concluded quietly.

 

Deluge of grief

In his early thirties, Mohammed Monoruddin began to cry inconsolably as soon as he sat before us. "My brothers, sisters were all killed, hacked into pieces," he recalled. "I was seven years old then. I saw my parents slaughtered in front of me. I saw another woman being killed and her child snatched from her hands and thrown in fire. I wept in terror all day. The CRPF came in the evening and rescued me. Later we came to know that our house was torched. Nothing was left. All our belongings and stores of rice were gone in the fire. My elder brother, who was in Nagaon, brought me up. But I feel so lonely."

 

Many others spoke of their loneliness. Noon Nahar Begum was 10 years old, and when the killings started, she tried to run away but was attacked and badly wounded. She was hospitalised for two months, and her mother and four siblings were murdered. "They were butchered here in the place where we are standing today," she said, adding: "I have found no peace of mind for the last 25 years. I need justice for my peace. Justice is important because it was such a terrible crime. I feel lonely and miss my family…" Babool Ahmad, a tailor, was two years old when he lost his parents. He was brought up by his grandparents, whereas his sisters were raised in an SOS village.

 

And so the stories flowed, like a deluge of muddied waters of grief — long unaddressed and denied — gushing from a breached dam. The forgotten massacre in Nellie in 1983 established a bloody trail of open State complicity in repeated traumatic bouts of ethnic cleansing and massacres both in Assam and in India. It was followed by similar State-enabled carnages, in Delhi in 1984, Bhagalpur in 1989, Mumbai in 1993 and climaxed in Gujarat in 2002.

 

Series of incidents

Assam in turn has seen a series of violent ethnic clashes between various oppressed communities, each bitterly and ferociously ranged against other ethnic groups which may be as dispossessed, if not more so. The accord brokered by government with militant Bodos in 1993 assured them autonomous control over regions where their population was in a majority. The government therefore itself laid the foundations for ethnic cleansing. Bengali Muslims were driven out of their settlements by murderous attacks and the torching of their homes in 1993, and this scenario was repeated for Santhal and Munda tribals (called Adivasis) — many of whom are descendants of tea garden labour imported by the British two centuries ago — in 1996. Thousands of them continue to languish today in camps, some for 15 years, as they are still terrified to return home. Assam remains a tinder box of ethnic hatred, with recent attacks on Bihari migrant labour, Jharkhand agitators in Guwahati, bomb explosions and recent clashes between Bodos and Bengali Muslims this year, which left many dead and thousands in camps seething with hate.

 

The worth of lives

The government gave the survivors of Nellie compensation for each death of as little as 5,000 rupees, contrasted for instance with Rs. 7 lakhs that have been paid to survivors of the Sikh carnage of a year later in 1984. Six hundred and eighty eight criminal cases were filed in connection with Nellie organised massacre and of these 310 cases were charge-sheeted. The remaining 378 cases were closed due to the police claim of "lack of evidence". But all the 310 charge-sheeted cases were dropped by the AGP government as a part of Assam Accord; therefore not a single person has even had to face trial for the gruesome massacre. Some lives are clearly deemed by the State of being of little worth compared to others.

 

The Mumbai terrorist attack of 2008 has witnessed an upsurge of understandable public anger, because a partisan and weak State leaves each of us unsafe. But States have long failed abjectly and shamefully to protect ordinary citizens and uphold justice. The lives lost in Mumbai's Taj Hotel are precious. But the lives extinguished in distant hamlets of Nellie — and indeed the streets of Delhi, Bhagalpur, Gujarat and Malegoan — are no less valuable. A day must come when our rage and our compassion responds equally to each of these tragedies. We can be safe only by standing — and caring — together.

 

The Hindu

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RE: [ALOCHONA] What is Shushil Shomaj?

Dear All,

It is not fair to mix civil society with civic society. Civil Societies stir Democracy towards gearing up, and coming up to speed; creating the proper  environments, processes, and keeping it up these efforts constantly for achieving the democratic goals. Civic society has no particular or unitary functions or contributions. They are just the societies with more learning, understanding, and tolerances. Both the civil and civic societies are good for human beings but each one is different in characteristics. Civil Society members are basically social activists and work for the society for free and with a simple goal of improving the society such that the democracy can be established and observed for the benefit of the entire country; for now and future; and for the future generations and their future generations.

Having said so, Bangladesh has very minimal number Civil Societies and very limited civil society activities. It will take long time to form stable civic societies compared to what are available in the world at the present time. Saying the truth is sometimes very risky, unpleasant, and not at all pretty. However, improvement is possible only when we understand our social status, accept our mistakes, and come up with consensus to fix and improve.

Hoping the best future.

Thanks,
KR


To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: bidrohee@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:13:33 -0800
Subject: [ALOCHONA] What is Shushil Shomaj?


It's not civil but civic. Wohid


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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:18:19 AM
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] What is Shushil Shomaj?

civil society

Ezajur Rahman <ezajur.rahman@q8.com> wrote:
Dear Alochoks
What is the English translation of the term: Shushil Shomaj?
Regards
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