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Sunday, December 21, 2008

[mukto-mona] Interview of Pervez hoodbhoy on Pakistan after Mumbai attacks {Bangla}

 
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[ALOCHONA] Re: [khabor.com] Dr. Hasana Mahmud, a Distinct Candidate, First Ever Person to Use IT in his Campaign of Bangladesh National Election.

I hope and pray for Dr Hasana Mahmud success in this MP election.  I hope that Dr. Hasana Mahmud will bring the change as we advocate for long time in Bangladesh with vision for better Bangladesh.
 
I support Dr. Hasana Mahmud candidacy as an educated and well competent candidate in this election. I ask people in Bangladesh to elect him in this coming MP election.
 
Change is imminent in Bangladesh for future survival.
 
Regards,
M. M. Chowdhury (Mithu), Virginia, USA
Director of Political and Economical Development in Bangladesh
Change Bangladesh Organization, USA


--- On Sat, 12/20/08, ADAB Chittagong Chapter <adab.chittagong@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: ADAB Chittagong Chapter <adab.chittagong@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [khabor.com] Dr. Hasana Mahmud, a Distinct Candidate, First Ever Person to Use IT in his Campaign of Bangladesh National Election.
To: khabor@yahoogroups.com
Cc: hossainam@aol.com, "isde bangladesh" <isdebangladesh@aol.com>
Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 11:06 PM

We are proud of Dr Hasan Mahmud, as highly educated candidates contesting in election. We urges all our friends to forward your best support and encourage the voters to cast their vote to Dr. Hasan Mahmud.
 
Insha Allah, Hsan Bhai will win and lead our nation.
 
S M Nazer Hossain
Chairperson,
ADAB Chittagong   

Association of Development Agencies in Bangladesh(ADAB)
Chittagong Chapter
House # 11 Road # 01, Block-B Chandgaon R/A, Chittagong-4212
Tel: 880-31-670302, 01713-110054 (chair)
E-mail:
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--- On Fri, 12/19/08, hossainam@aol. .com <hossainam@aol. com> wrote:
From: hossainam@aol. com <hossainam@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [khabor.com] Dr. Hasana Mahmud, a Distinct Candidate, First Ever Person to Use IT in his Campaign of Bangladesh National Election.
To: khabor@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 10:45 AM

I really appreciate your great task. Wishing your all success.

Thanks

Abu Hossain


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From: jubair arif <jubairarifctg@ yahoo.com>
To: khabor@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 3:31 am
Subject: [khabor.com] Dr. Hasana Mahmud, a Distinct Candidate, First Ever Person to Use IT in his Campaign of Bangladesh National Election.

Hi Everyone

We a group of Bangladeshi students from all around the globe would feel privilege to introduce a distinct candidate, Dr. Hasan Mahmud for national election of Bangladesh, 2008.

Dr. Hasan is contesting from Chittagong-6, Rangunia. Dr. Hasan came back from Europe after higher studies. He got three master degrees and a PhD in environmental science. To the best of our knowledge he is the first person to use information technology for his election campaign in the history of Bangladeshi national election in an interactive fashion. For more please visit his election blog at http://hasanmahmud0 8.blogspot. com/. This blog is maintained by a group of Bangladeshi students from all around the globe.

We invite you to explore on the ability of Dr. Hasan to bring changes. That is the choice we face now. We can chose hope over fear, unity over division, new Ideas over old, innovative leadership over ineffective leadership, new kind of politics over ancient version. Thus, we can easily choose Dr. Hasan over his competing mate Sala-Uddin-Qader (also known as SAKA Chy.).

Regards,
Mohammed Jubaer Arif on behalf of
Bangladeshi student support group of Dr. Hasan Mahmud.


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[ALOCHONA] Tale of two election manifestos:

Tale of two election manifestos:
Promises, promises ………
and more promises
 
by Amanat Ullah Khan
 

I am considering whether I would I be doing justice to our readers if I happened to write on the election manifestoes of our two major political parties.

    Do the manifestoes even mean anything to the parties or the people involved? Just take a look at the images they tried to project!

   AL, the party of `whiz kids' and `infocrats', (obviously only described by the party members themselves), has apparently been projecting a vision for the year 2021! Rather unfortunately though, if they cared to check they will realise that this is a slightly less `normal' than what is considered a `normal' 20/20 vision. Or is the slip there an apparent choice? Actually who knows if they will even be there in the year 202. And I guess there, therefore, seems to be little to no reason for projecting a perfect vision.

   The Bangla title of the manifesto is everywhere in the media, asking one to ''`bonus talk'y prophetic the PR people are in some companies? Come January, they will claim to be `linked'version title seems even more lofty (crafty?)! It reminds one of the great 'Change we can' euphoria of last November that jolted the distant Atlantic shores. And who knows, come January both the programmes may be launched simultaneously – one in each hemisphere!

   In the content you have achievements (we created Bangladesh and everything that is there..), accusations (the villains are BNP combine plus the invisible government, ..every other party is rotten ..created in the cantonments .. but apparently some ''also useful ''promises ( secure supply of food, milk, honey, 20000 mega watt electricity, and the new division for Rangpur (to keep the Rangbaj of Rangpur under control!) and finally work programmes (remove corruption, eliminate poverty, establish good government etc. etc..).

   So, when the 'work programmes'and the `promises'Bangladesh look like?

   You will have a lot of senior citizens (with average longevity 70 years) living in unplanned neighborhoods (with no urban or spatial planning of course) in very brightly lit houses (what would you do with 20,000 mega watt electricity?), with running `safe' hot and cold water, linked to the national sewerage network and playing chess with the computer in their own laptops in the `digital' Bangladesh, to be cared for by imported nannies - as you would not have enough local supply with an (80 percent contraceptive prevalence rate and an unemployment rate of only 15 percent!).

   BNP manifesto is a little more slippery, it is more ''like, for me. It seems to have more pages and pledges. Obviously they did not have time to go the `smart alec' way – using those impressive stats and the projections (never mind about sources)! The apparently innocent title `Desh Bachao –Manush Bachao', however, is extremely loaded and far from being innocent. It is a collection of statements trying to respond to all possible groups under the `sheaf of paddy' and their demands. There is apparently everything in it for everybody! Of course the document starts with Bismilla-hir-Rahmanir Rahim!

   This one also has the BNP achievements (aposhheen netri brings back democracy every time it is taken away.., rebuilding Bangladesh cover story, the Rapid Action Battalion rattles including the `operation clean heart' story….. ), accusations ( not much though!…pushed back 20 years behind in the last two years – the villain is the invisible government yet again!), promises ( more of the same stuff that you tasted in 2000 to 2006) and the work programmes (listed along with 36 promised goals, spread over the thirty-four pages).

   After these 36 odd promises contained in the document are fulfilled, (they do not mention a timeframe – it may take 5 years or 50 years!) what would Bangladesh look like?

   You will have Bangladeshi's (age not known) living in peace, with good purchasing power (how much not known), will not need to pay bribe to own an industry or take loan from banks, will have his /her own SPP for electricity and will export from the deep sea port. Our children will study in the famous Asian University for Women or wherever the `panel of experts'mobile phones and will know about `art, culture, and the evolution of human civilization'. Dhaka ladies will have a lot of public toilets while their men companions will continue to do `it' in the open. Only Dhaka and the paurashabha areas will be given safe water. The rest of the areas will have Arsenic free water.

   Well as you can see, it is difficult to visualise what Bangladesh would be like once the listed programmes are implemented (may be the BNP smart alec's are aware of the scenario and thus refrain from using the word `vision'). It is difficult to criticise such a programme, which only paints utopian pictures slipping from the grasp of a critical eye with open-ended and loose promises.

   Now coming to some other developments:

   On major party nominations

   Colleagues and friends were dismayed looking at the slate of candidates of both the major parties for the coming elections. Well after all it is just more of the same. What do you expect? It is our election and we are in the election game. Use a mirror to look at you. Have patience, and wait for the t… i… m… e…will have good slates if we allow the process to continue. Once again I reiterate, there should be no suggestions or interruptions, please!

   Major Jote partners

   It's AL'is the obstacle coming into way of explaining their `strategic' partnership with the `Bishwabehaya'mainstream Awami Leaguers, I know, are conscientious objectors. Beware; some partners may turn out to be blood-sucking leeches!

   BNP on the other hand are happily unapologetic about their partner of convenience – the blood-soaked guardian angels of Islam.

   Stop Press

   I had to bring this up because I thought I launched a campaign against this through my column - interference of foreign diplomats. I am frustrated! If you complain about your opponent to a respected foreign emissary when he makes the usual courtesy call, what could you expect? I have full sympathy for His Excellency's embarrassment. Would others behave differently? I doubt!

   Leave our foreign diplomats in peace. Please!
 

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Re: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

You have such low opinions of the NRBs and their contribution to the development of BD that I am tempted to say, you are very disconnected from the reality. Your interest in the betterment of orphans is commendable, and I hope you get to help those who are in need.
 
I'd spent the better half of my career preventing abuse of children everywhere (including BD), and stopping domestic abuse of women. My work is trivial compared to the work of many non-resident Bangladeshis who do more important work than I do. They have have dedicated their lives for their causes. So, when I read your incoherent and generalized comments about NRBs who are allegedly not doing anything for the country...I cannot help but think that you have nothing but hate-filled contempt for everyone. Many of these NRBs often talk about the country they'd left behind, the current state of affairs in BD, and remember the significance of our Independence. I am sure you will find all of them and their work worthless.
 
Education, whether half- or full-, is not a matter of gaining a certificate from a university. Anyone can earn a certificate given the right circumstances. The real education is what life teaches a person, and what a person decides to do with that education. Some use their fancy diplomas to spread hate, anger, ill ideas, and sheer stupidity. Others, without the fancy acronyms beside their names, do real work to make lives better for others, teach others how to spread prosperity, and show little contempt for mankind. You should know the difference!
 
 
C


From: maqsud omaba <maqsudo@hotmail.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:12:44 AM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

1. people , world-citizens , who talk about history/ liberation war, spend more time + energy to build their nation. They are not just
CHAPA BAZ.

2. In many many meetings/ functions in USA, canada, australia... etc...so many well-dressed, clean shaven ( although half-educated)
Bdeshis shed gallons of tears, speak in choked voice and stammer about patriotism and economic development. How many of them
contributed ANYTHING...for the country, how much they have contributed in the past 37 years?

3. I want to make it clear.....days of BAKTREETA BAJI...should be over.

4.  It is time to work, for the community, while keeping the mouth shut.

My interest is to help orphans + orphanage in any/every way possible/ do you want to join me and also motivate few other people to contribute
to orphans.

best wishes.

khoda hafez.

dr. maqsud omar







To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
From: thoughtocrat@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:57:04 -0800
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

Sir....I am afraid your justification or explanation seems rather incoherent. No one here supports violence, inefficiency, corruption, greed and all that. You get dizzy about the talk about our history? That's interesting! People like you make it sound like it happened hundreds of years ago, although we still pay for the mistakes in 1971 and afterwards. More curiously, you ask, citizens of which country talk about liberation, independence, so often? Well, I consider myself pretty well-traveled, and I can assure you, every person that I have met in different countries or who are from countries I have never been to, do talk about liberation, independence even though it happened hundreds of years ago. Even in the U.S., after 250+ years of independence, people cannot talk about the constitution without discussing America's liberty and independence. So, what's wrong with us talking about our past? Six hours before I wrote this email, I met with some reputable people from Western Europe on a business meeting, (unfortunately, I cannot disclose the country for various reasons), and at some point in our meeting, two of them gave us a history lesson on the evolution of their financial industry pre- and post- independence. Again, the point is, only the fools, ignorant, and those who are embarrassed, refuse to talk about their history.

 

You over-simplify the complex path of our democracy by stating that people elected Jamaat, hence it is a sign of healthy democracy. But you should state that Jamaat et. al. got elected because they received indemnity from Bangabandhu, they got into the political arena because of Ziaur Rahman, they flourished under the patronage of Ershad, and resurfaced in the first Khaleda govt. Our scumbag politicians have paved Jamaat's way for re-election, and when people went to the voting booth, the alternatives were non-existent.

 

I never told anyone how they should vote. You should stop misinterpreting my comments. Perhaps, it is time for you to wake up and read my comments carefully. I said that if a group of "independent" people choose to vote for those very people who actively worked against their independence, then this group neither deserves a democracy, nor do they deserve independence. I stand by my statement.

 

You are right. I am not a psychologist, nor do I pretend to be one. But I find it laughable when you, out of all people, criticize me for "condemning those who had different opinion about liberation". Goes to show that you neither understand how ironic your own statement is, nor do you comprehend that the state of being liberated is not an "opinion". It is an existential question, and those who oppose others right to exist, others right to be liberated, are worthy of total condemnation. If someone tells you tomorrow that you cannot roam freely, talk freely, or practice your beliefs, in Australia or elsewhere because it is their "opinion" that you are not worthy of being liberated, then I am sure you would condemn them too for the infringement of your rights.

 

What flabbergasts me over and over again about your comments is that WHEN, exactly when, did I or anyone advocate for mob justice for the Jamaat group? Have we not always demanded lawful prosecution of the war criminals? Where do you find these random ideas that we are advocating for their lynching?! Albeit not a bad idea, we do have respect for the law and we abide by them.

 

It's an asinine question to ask how long I want to shed tears for 1971! The answer is, as long as it takes to make our independence worth the fight. It is not a bygone occurrence that has no relevance in our current lives. What we did, and what was done to us during 1971 and afterwards have tremendous socio-political and economic consequences in BD, which obviously does not register with you or people like you. They would be happy to close the chapter on 1971. But little do you understand that it is not about the war of independence that we are talking about, it is the principles and the ideals that we fought for, it is about the sacrifices that we (including you) made, it is about what does a free and independent Bangladesh mean for us and our successors. Honestly, you don't get that point? All these seem rather sentimental nonsense to you?

 

It's interesting that you give the example of the Jewish community, who remember and are reminded of the holocaust every day; although for many of my Jewish friends it is a memory of their grandparents. So, why is it a terrible thing that we remember and reminded of our Bengali holocaust once a week, and remember what our independence means to us? You see the inherent contradiction in your own statement? What makes you think that Jews are the only group that work hard, and that we, Bangladeshis don't? You must be completely out of touch with the common people in Bangladesh to even imply that Bangladeshis are not working hard enough! We all do our part, in our own way towards progress, prosperity, and community building, of which you know nothing, but quick to judge those who talk about our independence.

 

I am sorry to hear about the losses of your family, and whether you choose to talk about it or not are your prerogative. I don't carry my faith and my patriotism in my sleeves either, although I too come from a very well known family of freedom-fighters. I choose not to talk about my family, but I would never shy away from talking about our independence. ...our common bond that ties us, regardless of our differences. If you think that talking about your independence is a false pretense, I am afraid, you've got it all wrong! 

 

You want to know about new projects in BD? How about starting one? Economic possibilities? Let's talk about our monetary and fiscal policies, shall we? Our socio-economic prosperity "going forward"? Let's talk about social policies that have bankrupted us, and how we can root out elements that are contrary to the secular principles of our constitution. Let's talk about law and order, constitution, enforcement of laws, foreign relations, growing unrest, double-digit inflation, unemployment, environmental disasters. For the last seven or eight years, I think I have wrote enough about these subjects here at Alochona. So far, I am yet to hear any of those forward looking ideas from you, except for sniping, vile remarks about people who talk about independence and AL supporters. You should practice what you preach! After all, you should become the change that you seek, right?

 

Cheers,

Cyrus

 



From: maqsud omaba <maqsudo@hotmail. com>
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:37:13 AM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

re: cyrus
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I never support violence, Baktreeta-baji, corruption, in-efficiency, greed and political-morons.
I am not a chamcha of jamaat.
I get dizzy, when people talk about " liberation war, anti-libaration- force, Freedom-fighting" ....234 times a year.
Citizens of which country....talk about liberation, independence. ..so often?
And then...nourish corruption and in-efficiency to the extreme.!
Havn't Bangladeshi citizens elected Jamaat -members( war criminals??) as MP? If you can't respect any MP, ask few wise-men...
what kind of confused person you are.....as far as democracy is concerned!
You want to tell other people whom to vote and whom to elect.....it is time for you to wake up.
By condemning people, who had different opinion about " liberation-war" , you will not achieve much.
I do know quite a bit about all the atrocities, committed by some Bangldeshis ( and Pakistanis) in 1971. They should be punished,
according to law, not according to revengeful-emotion.
We should talk less about democracy/liberatio n and contribute more to the community.
You may have read few pages from psychology books, but unfortunately, your comments about my profile is not accurate.
For how long YOU want to shed tears for atrocities of 1971?!
When you will leave such sad experience behind you and move forward?
Jews don't talk ONLY about atrocities done to them, they ALSO work hard and nourish/ practise  progress, sincerity,
dedication, community-building.

And reasonable Bdeshi will talk about liberation war ONCE a year and utilize his energy/ time  for positive, contructive projects for
himself and for the country.
Our house was burnt by biharis, my brother is a FF.....one of the first to undertake mission in Dhaka.....
but I seldom talk about that...I prefer to know about new projects in Bdesh, new economic possibilities invloving ordinary
people, new development in Bdesh.
Shouldn't YOU do take 1 more step....forward, not backward.

Best wishes.

Khoda hafez.





To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
From: thoughtocrat@ yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:05:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

Dr. Omar:
 
I get your convulated argument about democracy and Jamaat's validity. If people elect those war criminals to power, then the people of Bangladesh do not deserve democracy. It's like electing the nazi party into modern German parliament. But that's aside...what I find appalling is the following statement:
 
"...without any supporting documents... .that people with a big mouth,in 2008, ...talking about " anti- liberation forces " etc.....are basically just CHAPA BAJ, striving for cheap attention and upgrading their social status? Do they actually contribute anything.... to the poor... hungry...sick. ..helpless people? My experience has been that ...people shouting against Jamaat , usually are very ordinary, half-educated, shallow, chaotic, disorganized, hollow people.

It is obvious to me that you have neither seen nor believe in the mountain of pictures, video footage, eye witnesses who have witnessed the "anti-liberation forces" and their atrocities. People who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it, sir, and denying the Bengali holocaust is ignorant and vile.
 
Your hyper-inflated self-worth makes you think that those people who oppose the anti-liberation forces do not contribute to the poor, hungry, sick and helpless, and it is you who do. In this forum, I can name at least 20 people who do their work silently for the betterment of people, and don't talk about their benevolent work every week in their postings. You must be the only self-appointed benevolent in your tiny Australian community!
 
You found the anti-Jamaat people "ordinary, half educated, shallow, chaotic, disorganized, and hollow"!To borrow a psychological term, I think you are projecting your own personal deficiencies on others. What can I say to a self-delusional megalomaniac who believes in his self-worth to the point of sociopathic narcissism?! @  
 
Good luck with your delusional narcissism.
 
C

 

From: maqsud omaba <maqsudo@hotmail. com>
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 2:32:46 AM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism


re: isha khan
------------ --

1 thing has always confused me....we say/ demand  that....we beleive in democracy... but we do not want to accept elected MP...if he/she belongs to
Jamaat??!! And we criticize them non-stop, often without any valid reason.What kind of hippocracy is that!

Someone may not have supported AL leadership and the method of our liberation process, with the help of Indians.
what is the problem with that?
That was his/her personal philosophy. attitude. Why we cant accept it...if we beleive in democratic process??

Isn't it true..without any supporting documents... .that people with a big mouth,in 2008, ...talking about " anti- liberation forces "
etc.....are basically just CHAPA BAJ, striving for cheap attention and upgrading their social status? Do they actually contribute anything.... to the poor... hungry...
sick...helpless people?
My experience has been that ...people shouting against Jamaat , usually are very ordinary, half-educated, shallow, chaotic,
disorganized, hollow people.

What has been your experience?

Best wishes.
Khoda hafez.

dr. maqsud omar









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From: bd_mailer@yahoo. com
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:14:27 -0800
Subject: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

Abid Bahar

Is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? The answer is both yes and no. First, what is fundamentalism? It is the official practice of the basic principles of a religion and very importantly, as the dominant religion, imposing them to control the politics of a country. When that happens in a multi religious country, the rights of minorities are violated. Fundamenta lists do it with their claim of ownership of the country and by implication, see the other religious groups as foreigners. So primarily,  it is a question of intolerance associated with fundamentalism.

Is fundamentalism a problem only in Islam? Let me start by saying that contrary to Western propaganda, fundamentalist movement is there in every religion. It is even present in its most dangerous manifestations in Buddhist countries such as in Burma, Thailand, Sri Lanka and in Cambodia, the latter even carried out a genocide against minorities. These are Theravada fundamentalist Buddhist countries. Here the innocent looking monks are very much active in politics even in the destruction of religious sites of other religions, namely, Muslim and Christian. In India and Pakistan minority rights were being denied by the fundamentalists claiming as in India as the Rama Raja, or Pakistan as a Muslim country.

Given the right mood, we see that the manifestation of fundamentalist outbeak can take place anywhere. We see this even in India, a country officially calls itself secular. In India, before  1992, the most unpopular party, BJP could only win two seats in the parliament. But in 1992 it took up the issue of Babri Mosque and claimed that it was the birth place of Rama, a Hindu God. But surprisingly  Rama was not a historic figure. However,  the claim by the BJP satisfied the Hindu majority and on the open day light Hindu fundamentalists marched to the Mosque site and destroyed the Mosque. About 10,000 people were killed in the carnage. Instead of putting the criminal leader Advani in jail, in Indian democracy this fundamentalist leader formed the government and became the Home minister; shaming a country claims itself as the world's biggest democracy. This is an issue of using religion in politics. 

The worst part of fundamentalism is to display anger toward its enemy and its attack of civilian sites. In 2001 some alledgly fundamentalist followers of Osama bin Laden attacked the World Trade Centre buildings in New York city killing approximately 3000 innocent people which led to the release of huge anger among American people and leadership led by Protestant fundamentalist leader George W. Bush. Bush identified himself as the Christian zionist found an excuse to attack Iraq and even before attacked Afganistan causing the death of approximately a million people. Are the terrorists of the trade centre true Muslims? Most Muslims believe no. Is George who led an illegal war in Iraq a true Christian, the answer would be no.

Therefore, the problem with fundamentalism is its show of anger and retalliation against its perceived enemy and its use of violence in the name of God. In India the attack on Babri Mosque followed counter attacks in bombay and more counter attacks are going on in almost all the Indian cities. Here Hindus are killing Muslims and Christians and Muslim killing innocent Hindus. Only lately, some Pakistani fundamentalists entered India and attacked Bombay, killing close to two hundred innocent people and injuring many others.

 In addition to the above, the biggest problem with most fundamentalist movements is, it does not allow diversification; it resists change. It demands a society to remain stagnant. It resists the growth in art, music, business, women's rights and in the other areas. It forces human spirit to die down. Fundamentalist movements in certain religions discurages women to not work outside their homes, thus allowing half of the population and the country to remain backward. It has been a lingering problem in Muslim countries thus helping the countries to stagnate allowing more powerful countries to attack them. This is very much a problem in Muslim countries.
The deadly fundamentalist movements in Muslim countries, however, seem contrary to what the Prophet of Islam advised to his followers and said: "For knowledge even go to China." Education is essential for every Muslim man and woman." Contrary to the Talibans, in the days of the Prophet, Muslim man and women could pray together. Khadija, the wife of the Prophet was a business woman. Ibn Rusd, who was opposed by the fundamentalists of Cordova to be the chief advisor to the Caliph, but his ideas were known to have helped in the European Renaissance.  Thus, he was recognized as  one of the masters of European Renaissance. Strangely though, the Taliban's primitive practices in the rapidly changing economies of our time made Islam laughable to the humanity that is responding to the demands of global change.  

Is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? Yes, it is against change. It is against development, against human rights. It is against development because the fundamentalist leaders interpretation finds change to be  wrong. As opposed to this, human history shows that change is the most unchanging thing in the world.

Is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? Yes, because it brings religion into politics. It kills innocent people.

Finally, is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? We can also say no, but only if religion remaines the personal belief of its followers as the sufis in Islam do. Sufis are very religious people but stay away from politics. There is nothing wrong in being religious, to observe the basic tenents of one's religion such as doing salat, fasting, going for hajj etc. Fundamentalism in that sense is not wrong.  Then, is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? The answer is both yes and no.

Bangladesh to develop has to resist both the forces of Fascism and fundamentalism; because both preches violence. These two are as if like the same body of a poisonous two headed snake. They take every opportunity to kill their prey only to get to power.

What is at stake is to help save innocent lives from these angry primitives justifying their killings in the name of God and with the holy book in their hands reciting the lines of their choice and the Fascist leaders violating the rule of law, resort to control the country by controlling the streets.

 





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Re: [ALOCHONA] What is Shushil Shomaj?

Mr. Ahmed...what makes you think that shushil shomaj or the civic society involves only the rich and elite? It is the participation of the common people that makes a civic society possible, and not the ideas that come out of our think-tanks or the intelligentia. You make civic society sound like a secret society of elites, but by definition, it is the exact opposite.


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This is a shomaj which doesn't involve 95 % of Bangladeshis.
They have good intentions, often get together with simelar minded people and talk about things that they themselves don't practice.
They have good connection with media and fills up lot of spaces in newspaper and electronic media.
Bangladesh is always a play ground for geo-political games at the expense of poor people and it seems they are just a pawn in this intricate manuvers.

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civil society.

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Dear Alochoks

 

What is the English translation of the term: Shushil Shomaj?

 

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Re: [ALOCHONA] www.votebnp.net

Thanks for sharing. Just left a "lovely" message for Khaleda Zia, and advised her what she can do with herself, her corrupt minions, and her criminal sons.
 
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BNP has launched an web site for election campaign.Have a look of it if you want  www.votebnp. net
 


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[ALOCHONA] NYT - Siemens, Bribery & Bangladesh

MR. SIEKACZEK'S telecommunications unit was awash in easy money. It paid $5 million in bribes to win a mobile phone contract in Bangladesh, to the son of the prime minister at the time and other senior officials, according to court documents.

A related documentary will be broadcast on PBS "Frontline" on April 7, 2009.


December 21, 2008
At Siemens, Bribery Was Just a Line Item
By SIRI SCHUBERT and T. CHRISTIAN MILLER
MUNICH
New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/worldbusiness/21siemens.html?em=&pagewanted=print

REINHARD SIEKACZEK was half asleep in bed when his doorbell rang here early one morning two years ago.

Still in his pajamas, he peeked out his bedroom window, hurried downstairs and flung open the front door. Standing before him in the cool, crisp dark were six German police officers and a prosecutor. They held a warrant for his arrest.

At that moment, Mr. Siekaczek, a stout, graying former accountant for Siemens A.G., the German engineering giant, knew that his secret life had ended.

"I know what this is about," Mr. Siekaczek told the officers crowded around his door. "I have been expecting you."

To understand how Siemens, one of the world's biggest companies, last week ended up paying $1.6 billion in the largest fine for bribery in modern corporate history, it's worth delving into Mr. Siekaczek's unusual journey.

A former midlevel executive at Siemens, he was one of several people who arranged a torrent of payments that eventually streamed to well-placed officials around the globe, from Vietnam to Venezuela and from Italy to Israel, according to interviews with Mr. Siekaczek and court records in Germany and the United States.

What is striking about Mr. Siekaczek's and prosecutors' accounts of those dealings, which flowed through a web of secret bank accounts and shadowy consultants, is how entrenched corruption had become at a sprawling, sophisticated corporation that externally embraced the nostrums of a transparent global marketplace built on legitimate transactions.

Mr. Siekaczek (pronounced SEE-kah-chek) says that from 2002 to 2006 he oversaw an annual bribery budget of about $40 million to $50 million at Siemens. Company managers and sales staff used the slush fund to cozy up to corrupt government officials worldwide.

The payments, he says, were vital to maintaining the competitiveness of Siemens overseas, particularly in his subsidiary, which sold telecommunications equipment. "It was about keeping the business unit alive and not jeopardizing thousands of jobs overnight," he said in an interview.

Siemens is hardly the only corporate giant caught in prosecutors' cross hairs.

Three decades after Congress passed a law barring American companies from paying bribes to secure foreign business, law enforcement authorities around the world are bearing down on major enterprises like Daimler and Johnson & Johnson, with scores of cases now under investigation. Both companies declined comment, citing continuing investigations.

Albert J. Stanley, a legendary figure in the oil patch and the former chief executive of the KBR subsidiary of Halliburton, recently pleaded guilty to charges of paying bribes and skimming millions for himself. More charges are coming in that case, officials say.

But the Siemens case is notable for its breadth, the sums of money involved, and the raw organizational zeal with which the company deployed bribes to secure contracts. It is also a model of something that was once extremely rare: cross-border cooperation among law enforcement officials.

German prosecutors initially opened the Siemens case in 2005. American authorities became involved in 2006 because the company's shares are traded on the New York Stock Exchange.

In its settlement last week with the Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission, Siemens pleaded guilty to violating accounting provisions of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, which outlaws bribery abroad.

Although court documents are salted throughout with the word "bribes," the Justice Department allowed Siemens to plead to accounting violations because it cooperated with the investigation and because pleading to bribery violations would have barred Siemens from bidding on government contracts in the United States. Siemens doesn't dispute the government's account of its actions.

Matthew W. Friedrich, the acting chief of the Justice Department's criminal division, called corruption at Siemens "systematic and widespread." Linda C. Thomsen, the S.E.C.'s enforcement director, said it was "egregious and brazen." Joseph Persichini Jr., the director of the F.B.I.'s Washington field office, which led the investigation, called it "massive, willful and carefully orchestrated."

MR. SIEKACZEK'S telecommunications unit was awash in easy money. It paid $5 million in bribes to win a mobile phone contract in Bangladesh, to the son of the prime minister at the time and other senior officials, according to court documents. Mr. Siekaczek's group also made $12.7 million in payments to senior officials in Nigeria for government contracts.

In Argentina, a different Siemens subsidiary paid at least $40 million in bribes to win a $1 billion contract to produce national identity cards. In Israel, the company provided $20 million to senior government officials to build power plants. In Venezuela, it was $16 million for urban rail lines. In China, $14 million for medical equipment. And in Iraq, $1.7 million to Saddam Hussein and his cronies.

The bribes left behind angry competitors who were shut out of contracts and local residents in poor countries who, because of rigged deals, paid too much for necessities like roads, power plants and hospitals, prosecutors said.

Because government contracting is an opaque process and losers don't typically file formal protests, it's difficult to know the identity of competitors who lost out to Siemens. Companies in the United States have long complained, however, that they face an uneven playing field competing overseas.

Ben W. Heineman Jr., a former general counsel at General Electric and a member of the American chapter of Transparency International, a nonprofit group that tracks corruption, says the enforcement of some antibribery conventions still remains scattershot. "Until you have energetic enforcement by the developed-world nations, you won't get strong antibribery programs or high-integrity corporate culture," he said.

Afghanistan, Haiti, Iraq, Myanmar and Somalia are the five countries where corporate bribery is most common, according to Transparency International. The S.E.C. complaint said Siemens paid its heftiest bribes in China, Russia, Argentina, Israel and Venezuela.

"Crimes of official corruption threaten the integrity of the global marketplace and undermine the rule of law in the host countries," said Lori Weinstein, the Justice Department prosecutor who oversaw the Siemens case.

All told, Siemens will pay more than $2.6 billion to clear its name: $1.6 billion in fines and fees in Germany and the United States and more than $1 billion for internal investigations and reforms.

Siemens's general counsel, Peter Y. Solmssen, in an interview outside a marble-lined courtroom in Washington, said the company acknowledged that bribes were at the heart of the case. "This is the end of a difficult chapter in the company's history," he said. "We're glad to get it behind us."

Mr. Siekaczek, who cooperated with German authorities after his arrest in 2006, has already been sentenced in Germany to two years' probation and a $150,000 fine. During a lengthy interview in Munich, a few blocks from the Siemens world headquarters, he provided an insider's account of corruption at the company. The interview was his first with English-language news outlets.

"I would never have thought I'd go to jail for my company," Mr. Siekaczek said. "Sure, we joked about it, but we thought if our actions ever came to light, we'd all go together and there would be enough people to play a game of cards."

Mr. Siekaczek isn't a stereotype of a white-collar villain. There are no Ferraris in his driveway, or villas in Monaco. He dresses in jeans, loafers and leather jackets. With white hair and gold-rimmed glasses, he passes for a kindly grandfather — albeit one who can discuss the advantages of offshore bank accounts as easily as last night's soccer match.

SIEMENS began bribing long before Mr. Siekaczek applied his accounting skills to the task of organizing the payments.

World War II left the company shattered, its factories bombed and its trademark patents confiscated, according to American prosecutors. The company turned to markets in less developed countries to compete, and bribery became a reliable and ubiquitous sales technique.

"Bribery was Siemens's business model," said Uwe Dolata, the spokesman for the association of federal criminal investigators in Germany. "Siemens had institutionalized corruption."

Before 1999, bribes were deductible as business expenses under the German tax code, and paying off a foreign official was not a criminal offense. In such an environment, Siemens officials subscribed to a straightforward rule in pursuing business abroad, according to one former executive. They played by local rules.

Inside Siemens, bribes were referred to as "NA" — a German abbreviation for the phrase "nützliche Aufwendungen" which means "useful money." Siemens bribed wherever executives felt the money was needed, paying off officials not only in countries known for government corruption, like Nigeria, but also in countries with reputations for transparency, like Norway, according to court records.

In February 1999, Germany joined the international convention banning foreign bribery, a pact signed by most of the world's industrial nations. By 2000, authorities in Austria and Switzerland were suspicious of millions of dollars of Siemens payments flowing to offshore bank accounts, according to court records.

Rather than comply with the law, Siemens managers created a "paper program," a toothless internal system that did little to punish wrongdoers, according to court documents.

Mr. Siekaczek's business unit was one of the most egregious offenders. Court documents show that the telecommunications unit paid more than $800 million of the $1.4 billion in illegal payments that Siemens made from 2001 to 2007. Managers in the telecommunications group decided to deal with the possibility of a crackdown by making its bribery procedures more difficult to detect.

So, on one winter evening in late 2002, five executives from the telecommunications group met for dinner at a traditional Bavarian restaurant in a Munich suburb. Surrounded by dark wood panels and posters celebrating German engineering, the group discussed how to better disguise its payments, while making sure that employees didn't pocket the money, Mr. Siekaczek said.

To handle the business side of bribery, the executives turned to Mr. Siekaczek, a man renowned within the company for his personal honesty, his deep company loyalty — and his experiences in the shadowy world of illegal bribery.

"It had nothing to do with being law-abiding, because we all knew what we did was unlawful." Mr. Siekaczek said. "What mattered here was that the person put in charge was stable and wouldn't go astray."

Although Mr. Siekaczek was reluctant to take the job offered that night, he justified it as economic necessity. If Siemens didn't pay bribes, it would lose contracts and its employees might lose their jobs.

"We thought we had to do it," Mr. Siekaczek said. "Otherwise, we'd ruin the company."

Indeed, he considers his personal probity a point of honor. He describes himself as "the man in the middle," "the banker" or, with tongue in cheek, "the master of disaster." But, he said, he never set up a bribe. Nor did he directly hand over money to a corrupt official.

German prosecutors say they have no evidence that he personally enriched himself, though German documents show that Mr. Siekaczek oversaw the transfer of some $65 million through hard-to-trace offshore bank accounts.

"I was not the man responsible for bribery," he said. "I organized the cash."

Mr. Siekaczek set things in motion by moving money out of accounts in Austria to Liechtenstein and Switzerland, where bank secrecy laws provided greater cover and anonymity. He said he also reached out to a trustee in Switzerland who set up front companies to conceal money trails from Siemens to offshore bank accounts in Dubai and the British Virgin Islands.

Each year, Mr. Siekaczek said, managers in his unit set aside a budget of about $40 million to $50 million for the payment of bribes. For Greece alone, Siemens budgeted $10 million to $15 million a year. Bribes were as high as 40 percent of the contract cost in especially corrupt countries. Typically, amounts ranged from 5 percent to 6 percent of a contract's value.

The most common method of bribery involved hiring an outside consultant to help "win" a contract. This was typically a local resident with ties to ruling leaders. Siemens paid a fee to the consultant, who in turn delivered the cash to the ultimate recipient.

Siemens has acknowledged having more than 2,700 business consultant agreements, so-called B.C.A.'s, worldwide. Those consultants were at the heart of the bribery scheme, sending millions to government officials.

MR. SIEKACZEK was painfully aware that he was acting illegally. To protect evidence that he didn't act alone, he and a colleague began copying documents stored in a basement at Siemens's headquarters in Munich that detailed the payments. He eventually stashed about three dozen folders in a secret hiding spot.

In 2004, Siemens executives told him that he had to sign a document stating he had followed the company's compliance rules. Reluctantly, he signed, but he quit soon after. He continued to work for Siemens as a consultant before finally resigning in 2006. As legal pressure mounted, he heard rumors that Siemens was setting him up for a fall.

"On the inside, I was deeply disappointed. But I told myself that people were going to be surprised when their plan failed," Mr. Siekaczek recalled. "It wasn't going to be possible to make me the only one guilty because dozens of people in the business unit were involved. Nobody was going to believe that one person did this on his own."

The Siemens scheme began to collapse when investigators in several countries began examining suspicious transactions. Prosecutors in Italy, Liechtenstein and Switzerland sent requests for help to counterparts in Germany, providing lists of suspect Siemens employees. German officials then decided to act in one simultaneous raid.

The police knocked on Mr. Siekaczek's door on the morning of Nov. 15, 2006. Some 200 other officers were also sweeping across Germany, into Siemens's headquarters in Munich and the homes of several executives.

In addition to Mr. Siekaczek's detailed payment records, investigators secured five terabytes of data from Siemens's offices — a mother lode of information equivalent to five million books. Mr. Siekaczek turned out to be one of the biggest prizes. After calling his lawyer, he immediately announced that he would cooperate.

Officials in the United States began investigating the case shortly after the raids became public. Knowing that it faced steep fines unless it cooperated, Siemens hired an American law firm, Debevoise & Plimpton, to conduct an internal investigation and to work with federal investigators.

As German and American investigators worked together to develop leads, Debevoise and its partners dedicated more than 300 lawyers, forensic analysts and staff members to untangle thousands of payments across the globe, according to the court records. American investigators and the Debevoise lawyers conducted more than 1,700 interviews in 34 countries. They collected more than 100 million documents, creating special facilities in China and Germany to house records from that single investigation. Debevoise and an outside auditor racked up 1.5 million billable hours, according to court documents. Siemens has said that the internal inquiry and related restructurings have cost it more than $1 billion.

Siemens officials "made it crystal clear that they wanted us to get to the bottom of this and follow it wherever the evidence led," said Bruce E. Yannett, a Debevoise partner.

AT the same time, Siemens worked hard to purge the company of some senior managers and to reform company policies. Several senior managers have been arrested. Klaus Kleinfeld, the company's C.E.O., resigned in April 2007. He has denied wrongdoing and is now head of Alcoa, the aluminum giant. Alcoa said that the company fully supports Mr. Kleinfeld and declined to comment further.

Last year, Siemens said in S.E.C. filings that it had discovered evidence that former officials had misappropriated funds and abused their authority. In August, Siemens said it seeks to recover monetary damages from 11 former board members for activities related to the bribery scheme. Negotiations on that matter are continuing.

Earlier this year, Siemens's current chief executive, Peter Löscher, vowed to make Siemens "state of the art" in anticorruption measures.

"Operational excellence and ethical behavior are not a contradiction of terms," the company said in a statement. "We must get the best business — and the clean business."

Siemens still faces legal uncertainties. The Justice Department and German officials said that investigations were continuing and that current and former company officials might face prosecution.

Legal experts say Siemens is the latest in a string of high-profile cases that are changing attitudes about corruption. Still, they said, much work remains.

"I am not saying the fight against bribing foreign public officials is a fight full of roses and victories," said Nicola Bonucci, the director of legal affairs for the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which is based in Paris and monitors the global economy. "But I am convinced that it is something more and more people are taking seriously."

For his part, Mr. Siekaczek is uncertain about the impact of the Siemens case. After all, he said, bribery and corruption are still widespread.

"People will only say about Siemens that they were unlucky and that they broke the 11th Commandment," he said. "The 11th Commandment is: 'Don't get caught.' "

This article is a joint report by ProPublica, a nonprofit investigative journalism organization, PBS's "Frontline" and The New York Times. A related documentary will be broadcast on "Frontline" on April 7.


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[ALOCHONA] really ?????????????????????????

I care more about my country than life: Hasina
Sun, Dec 21st, 2008 3:05 pm BdST
Tangail, Dec 21 (bdnews24.com) — A day after reports that militants were out to assassinate her, Awami League president Sheikh Hasina said on Sunday she did not care more about her life than she did for a thriving Bangladesh.

"Today's newspapers have published stories on threats to my life."

"I want to tell you straight that I don't bow down to anyone but God and I don't care much about my own life. I only care about a thriving and developing Bangladesh." Hasina said at a rally at Tangail Shaheed Smriti Udyan.

bdnews24.com broke the news quoting Indian television network CNN-IBN on Saturday that Indian intelligence agencies had warned the former prime minister a team of six militants of Harkatyl-Jihad'Al-islami Bangladesh were out to kill her.

Newspapers printed the story on Sunday.

She urged the people of Tangail to 'vote boat', promising to revive the area's dying handloom industry.

She also called on voters to wrench the country from "looters' hands".

"If voted to power, we'll take necessary steps to provide special loans for weavers to help revive the dying handloom industry. Tangail will be upgraded to a cultural hotbed."

The former prime minister introduced the 'grand alliance' candidate Jatiya Party's Abul Kashem to the people gathered.

"We from AL had first nominated Mamunur Rashid Mamun from this Tangail-5 seat."

"Mamun's candidature was later withdrawn in the interests of the grand alliance," said the AL chief who heads the alliance.

She called on all to "vote for boat and plough" and bring victory to the 'grand alliance'.

Hasina had earlier addressed a meeting at Gulla Primary School in Bashail, which forms part of her daylong election campaign in the Gazipur-Tangail-Mymensigh region.

As the Gulla meeting site was adjacent to the Dhaka-Tangail highway, a large number of bus passengers stopped their vehicles and listened to Hasina's election speech.

She urged voters to rescue the country from "looters"

"The news of BNP and Jamaat corruption has been publicised internationally. I don't have to tell people how they extorted huge bribes from foreign companies, laundered that money and deposited it with foreign banks," said the former prime minister.

"Bashail will be upgraded to a municipality if we are voted to power, this area will have electricity and proper irrigation provisions.

"Any locality with a population of 5 to 6 thousand will have a health care centre," she also promised.

bdnews24.com/sum/wz/1349 hours
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[ALOCHONA] Gloden age of AL(1996-2001)

 
how was that golden age? Want to recall it ,visit
 
বিশ্ব বেহায়া প্রেসিডেন্ট আর "রং হেডেড " (আদালত কর্তৃক ঘোষিত) মূখ্য মন্ত্রী ( কলকাতায় সম্ভোধিত) হলে দেশ কেমন চলবে ?

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[ALOCHONA] Tarek Zia Received Bribe from Siemens - US Securities and Exchange Report

Between 2004 and 2006, Siemens COM paid approximately $5.3 million in bribes to government officials in Bangladesh in connection with a contract with the Bangladesh Telegraph & Telephone Board ("BT'TB) to install mobile telephone services. The. total value of the contract was approximately $40.9 million. The payments 'were made to three business consultants pursuant to sham agreements calling for services associated with the mobile telephone project. The ultimate recipients of the payments included the son of the then-Prime Minister in Bangladesh, the Minister of the Ministry of Posts & Telecommunications in Bangladesh, and the BTTB Director of Procurement.

Source:  Page 19: http://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2008/comp20829.pdf


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[ALOCHONA] Re: Sufism

Attn: Maqsud Omaba,

I am really disappointed in you.  You replied without even reading my previous postings in this thread. It all started when Mr. Mufassil Islam had said that any Islamic school of thought that goes against the Holy Quran and sahih hadiths, he will not accept that individual to be Islamic.  By the way, I fully concur with him.  Now this time please read the following message and answer the following questions before putting more question/opinion:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alochona/message/11489

Do you accept Moududi's rejection and ridicule of the Prophet (SA) sahih hadith regarding Dajjal?  Do you accept the narration of Prophet of Islam (SA) or the rejection of Moududi, the Moulana of Jamaate Islami?  Please answer this very simple question before putting more questions.

Abu Hurayrah said, "The Prophet said, 'Shall I tell you something about the Dajjal which no Prophet has ever told his people before me? The Dajjal is one-eyed and will bring with him something which will resemble Paradise and Hell; but that which he calls Paradise will in fact be Hell. I warn you against him as Noah warned his people against him.'" (al-Bukhari, Muslim)

Narrated Anas bin Malik:  The Prophet said, "Ad-Dajjal will come and encamp at a place close to Medina and then Medina will shake thrice whereupon every Kafir (disbeliever) and hypocrite will go out (of Medina) towards him." (Volume 9, Book 88, Number 239:  Sahih Bukhari)

Narrated 'Aisha: "I heard Allah's Apostle in his prayer, seeking refuge with Allah from the afflictions of Ad-Dajjal." (Volume 9, Book 88, Number 243:  Sahih Bukhari)

There are 12 hadiths in Book 41 of Bukhari Sharif regarding Dajjal:  http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/088.sbt.html

There are even more Hadiths on this subject in "The Book Pertaining to the Turmoil and Portents of the Last Hour (Kitab Al-Fitan wa Ashrat As-Sa`ah)" of Muslim Sharif:

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/041.smt.html

Please enlighten us and do not sidetrack.

Thanks,

Mohammad Musa Sarkar
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> > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > From: m_musa92870@...
> > Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:39:24 +0000
> > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Sufism
> >
> >
> > Mr. Omar,
> >
> > The question is not whether Moududi was one of the most educated Islamic
> > scholars of modern time or not. The question is whether you accept
> > Moududi's rejection and ridicule of the Prophet (SA) sahih hadith or
> > not.
> >
> > "Any school of Islamic thought which goes directly against Holy Quran
> > and Sahih 6 Hadiths - I do not and will not accept that individual to be
> > Islamic." - Mr. Mufassil Islam. Do you concur with Mr. Islam?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Musa
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, maqsud omaba maqsudo@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > attn: cyrus
> > > -----------------
> > >
> > > Is it not sad, you have heard about Moududi, didnt read about him.
> > > Please do read, and let us know your comments.
> > >
> > > Whatever we say, he is one of the most educated islamic scholar of
> > modern time.
> > >
> > > best wishes.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: thoughtocrat@
> > > Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:54:53 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Sufism
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for clarifying that Mr. Sarkar. My knowldge of Moududi is
> > limited, as I prefer not to read his writings. I have read enough about
> > him, but not enough of his writings. Personally, I don't find his
> > writings any different from Hitler's "Mein Kampf". Moududi's teachings
> > are as vile as the nazi propaganda.
> > >
> > > C
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: musasarkar m_musa92870@
> > > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:00:26 PM
> > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Sufism
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Since I received no reply to the question that I posed in this thread
> > > from Mr. Mufassil Islam or any other alochoks, I have decided to
> > answer
> > > it myself. Some of the alochoks probably know the answer. The person
> > > of interest in the following posting was Maulana Syed Abu Ala Moududi.
> > > Mr. Mufassil Islam, do you accept his school of Islamic thought?
> > > Eagerly waiting for your response.
> > >
> > > Mohammad Musa Sarkar
> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "musasarkar" <m_musa92870@ ...>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Mufassil Islam,
> > > >
> > > > You have said, "Any school of Islamic thought which goes directly
> > > > against Holy Quran and Sahih 6 Hadiths - I do not and will not
> > accept
> > > > that individual to be Islamic." I heard it from many scholars
> > (Sunni)
> > > > in their lectures that to be a perfect
> > > Muslim, you have to accept the
> > > > Holy Qura'n and the sahih Hadiths (since in these hadiths the
> > Prophet
> > > > (SA) didn't say anything on his own) in your heart. We may not
> > > > understand some, but we should not reject any.
> > > >
> > > > Now can you tell us who made the following remarks?
> > > >
> > > > "The Messenger of Allah (SA) used to think that the Dajjaal
> > > > (Anti-Christ) would come out in his time, or close to his time.
> > > However,
> > > > 1350 years passed away and many long generations came and went, yet
> > > the
> > > > Dajjaal did not come out. So it is confirmed that what the Prophet
> > > (SA)
> > > > thought did not prove true!!"
> > > >
> > > > Later he added: "Indeed, 1350 years have passed…yet the Dajjaal
> > > > has not come out, so this is the reality."
> > > >
> > > > (The above is a clear rejection of the emergence of the Dajjaal,
> > whose
> > > > emergence has been narrated concurrently in authentic
> > > hadiths.)
> > > >
> > > > And He further said: "It is confirmed that everything which is
> > > > related in the hadith of the Prophet (SA) concerning the Dajjaal is
> > > the
> > > > opinion and analogical deduction of the Prophet (SA), and it is a
> > > > doubtful misgiving from his affair."
> > > >
> > > > So is this not a rejection of the Dajjaal? Is this not a denial of
> > the
> > > > narration of the Messenger (SA), about which Allah said:
> > > >
> > > > "And he does not speak from his own desire. It is revelation
> > > > inspired to him." (Sura Najm 53:3-4)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Furthermore, that person had the arrogance to make audacious remark
> > > > about the Prophet (SA):
> > > >
> > > > "Allah the Glorified commanded him (the Prophet) in Sura Nasr to
> > > > repent to his Lord due to what emanated from him in deficiencies and
> > > > shortcomings in distributing the deen."
> > > >
> > > > What do you think about that person? Do you now know who
> > > that person
> > > > was?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Mohammad Musa Sarkar
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, mufassil islam mufassili@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cyrus..
> > > > >
> > > > > I am used to this type of forgone conclusions. My understanding of
> > > > Islam does not require drumming up. I come from a family of hundreds
> > > of
> > > > years of Sufism and my direct forefathers have a lineage of Sufy
> > > > thinkers which are well known in Bangladesh. I am the direct
> > > generation
> > > > of Soleman Shah Fakir of Baltoli, Murad Nagar, Comilla (ask any
> > > > Bangladeshi from the region) where millions of sufi fakirs - lalon
> > > > vaktas gather every year. This trend is followed by Urs of my
> > > > grandfather' s majar at Araihazar as well. I have had my
> > > fair share of
> > > > learning in Sufism, Marefater gopon kotha, Gajjali and so on. Let me
> > > ask
> > > > you a straight question and do please answer honestly - no pretext
> > > > please. And do let the readers know as well. Do you know the meaning
> > > of
> > > > the word 'Sufism' and the etymology of this word? Please don't check
> > > and
> > > > tell me that you know it even though I wish you to know about it. It
> > > > seems the word Sufism is being abused without a bridle in Islam now
> > a
> > > > days. Some people have even gone too far to give up salah in the
> > name
> > > of
> > > > Sufi Islam. I request you to study the history of Khelafat Andolon
> > and
> > > > also the history of Dudu Miah in our part of the world. Bukhari
> > Sharif
> > > > talks about Fanah Fillah as the highest Sakin stage of Shariah where
> > > > salah becomes only a part of all time ebadah in Islam - a momeen's
> > > final
> > > > stage. Muslim - Momeen and Ehsan. Yes brother in Islam, I
> > > have no
> > > > intentions to create any conflicts amongst Islamic idelologies and
> > > > schools but I do accept Tablig efforts and Dawah efforts but I will
> > > not
> > > > agree with the fact of compromising basic Islamic beliefs in the
> > name
> > > of
> > > > Islamic dicersity. Any school of Islamic thought which goes directly
> > > > against Holy Quran and Sahih 6 Hadiths - I do not and will not
> > accept
> > > > that individual to be Islamic. As of my nature - I will never
> > > compromise
> > > > with irrationality and will not coil away. I you can counter logic -
> > > > please do so. As to self-proclaimed 'Human Rights Advocate' issue.
> > > Sir,
> > > > this is not a title which can be sold and this is being used by some
> > > of
> > > > the so called experts in Bangladesh. I was the first individual who
> > > had
> > > > appeared with this title in major Bangladeshi and international
> > > medias.
> > > > I have had helped Christians, Muslism alike around the world
> > > which
> > > have
> > > > had been widely publicised in major medias around the globe
> > including
> > > > BBC, Daily Star etc. I don't think you have had the chance to read
> > > about
> > > > me. I welcome you to spend a bit of your valuable time to read the
> > > > Encyclopaedia about me online. You can kindly just type my name on
> > > > google. I am not like Mr.Turkman who will throw abuses behind nick
> > > names
> > > > or from hideouts and secret locations. I have had studied in various
> > > > Universities around the world and am a lawyer of international
> > > standing
> > > > and I had to work hard to lift this title. Nevertheless, I am always
> > > > ready to accept any logic - not abuse by which you can prove me
> > wrong.
> > > > Please forward references as I always do in my letters.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mufassil M M Islam
> > > > > Human Rights Advocate
> > > > > President and CEO
> > > > > Law Offices of
> > > Islam and Associates International
> > > > > Bangladesh, India, Nepal, Australia, UK, Ireland
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To: alochona@: IndianJustice@ yahoogroups. com;
> > > > reform-bd@yahoogrou ps.com; tritiomatra@ yahoogroups. com;
> > dhakamails@:
> > > > turkman@: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:49:59 -0800Subject: [ALOCHONA]
> > > > Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in Prothom
> > > Alo
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Bangladesh has a lot higher Literacy Rate than Pakistan if
> > > a Mosque
> > > > Imam can be 8th Grade pass. I watched on TV in USA, a Western
> > > Journalist
> > > > with a Translator in a Religious School (MuDrissaa) in Pakistan,
> > > asking
> > > > the Teacher, "What's 8 x 8 ?"The Teacher could not tell.Allaho Akbar
> > > > ...! Pakistan ZinDaabaaD ...!--- On Thu, 11/20/08, Cyrus
> > > > thoughtocrat@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr. Iqbal...I really enjoyed reading your response!!
> > > > >
> > > > > The self-proclaimed Human Rights Advocate, whose opinions show
> > utter
> > > > lack of knowledge of history, both Islamic as well as of other
> > > > civilizations, and no realization that Lalon was a great Sufi
> > mystic,
> > > a
> > > > criminalized and persecuted Muslim group. Sufiism is part of our
> > > > history....it is a part of Islamic history, and must be protected at
> > > all
> > > > costs.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Blind uncultured mass"? Oh the audacity!
> > > The only one blinded by
> > > > ignorance disguised as "faith" is Mr. Mufassil Islam, who obviously
> > > > doesn't understand much about Islam or its rich and diverse culture.
> > I
> > > > find it amusing and ironic that Mr. Islam's lacks any understanding
> > of
> > > > Islamic history and the Islamic philosphy. That's a thought!
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyways....keep writing Mr. Iqbal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Cyrus
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: ANWAR IQBAL Anwariqbal@yahoo. com>To: alochona@yahoogroup
> > > > s.comSent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:32:26 PMSubject: RE:
> > > [ALOCHONA]
> > > > Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in
> > > Prothom
> > > > Alo
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr. Mufassil Islam;
> > > > > At the end of this letter, I have pasted a copy of an article that
> > > was
> > > > sent to me by a friend
> > > who lives in Germany . This is related to the
> > > > subject of your conversation. Please review this and give us your
> > > words
> > > > of wisdom on that article.
> > > > >
> > > > > Beyond that, I would like to add some of my own thoughts on this.
> > > > >
> > > > > So called Islamic intellectuals with their bigotry, myopic visions
> > > and
> > > > immense disrespect to other civilizations and cultures have given
> > > Islam
> > > > and the Muslims a bad name today. Many of those intellectuals grew
> > up
> > > > receiving Islamic teachings from Class 8 pass mullahs. Some of them
> > > > obviously obtained higher education beyond village Moktobs. That
> > > > however, did not clear the brain washing they received during their
> > > > childhood. These are the people who we find relentlessly trying to
> > > force
> > > > their version of Islam through our throats.
> > > > >
> > > > > View points expressed by intellectuals such as yourself strikes
> > > me
> > > to
> > > > the fact that you all believe your perception is always superior to
> > > that
> > > > of the rest who hold a different opinion on the same subject matter.
> > I
> > > > do not know you and you surely do not know me. Therefore, in reading
> > > my
> > > > writing you can always blow me away as another idiot trying to sound
> > > > smart. But in the case of Humayun Ahmed who is a PhD, an established
> > > > author and a respected retired university teacher, how could you
> > even
> > > > think that you can surpass his intellectual abilities with yours?
> > Why
> > > > makes you think you know better than him? Yet better why do think
> > you
> > > > know better than anyone else. Your mindset suggests that all those
> > > > people who are in favor of the statues are nothing but ignorant
> > > morons.
> > > > What makes you develop such disrespect for others around you? You
> > are
> > > > asking people to not to do something that other people want to do.
> > And
> > > >
> > > in doing so they are not even harming anyone. This shows the general
> > > > intolerance from people of your types to the rest who holds harmless
> > > > opposing views. This is the root of all problems for the entire
> > > > civilization today. This is the cause of all the wars (justified or
> > > not)
> > > > and this is the cause why there is the continuous tension between
> > your
> > > > type of Muslims and the rest of World.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's go back to your mail; Egypt may not be a good (!) Islamic
> > > > Country in your definition, but have you thought about the Holy land
> > > of
> > > > Saudi Arabia and how blindly we perform some acts in our religion
> > that
> > > > supports idolatry. Think about the ritual of stoning the "Iblis"
> > > > during Hajj? Are those stone models of "Iblis" not idols in your
> > > > definition? Do not forget that this ritual of stoning is a mere
> > carry
> > > > over of the traditional Hajj ritual celebrated in Mecca
> > > prior to Islam
> > > > when they worshiped the Statue of Allah inside the Harem Sharif.
> > > > >
> > > > > People like you keep people like us scared and makes us worried
> > > about
> > > > the future of our dear motherland. Not too long ago, Mullah Omar
> > came
> > > to
> > > > power with Taliban in Afghanistan with your type of values and
> > ideas.
> > > > Besides other valuable relics and artifacts of immense historic
> > > > importance, they destroyed 2000 years old statue of Buddha which is
> > > not
> > > > only a loss of History and tradition for the Afghans but also an
> > > > irreparable loss for the whole mankind. In your letter, you said,
> > > > "Human nature does not evolve with time. It is static", if you
> > > > really feel that to be true, you and your types should move into the
> > > > caves and "Be modern and seal all means of deviation and use your
> > > > intellect to worship the Almighty - not using dead idols."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > While reading your mail, I took a curious interest in your title
> > > > "A human Rights Advocate". Based on the contents of your typical
> > > > writings, I think you believe "your type of fundamentalist
> > > > Muslims" is the only humans as you continuously advocate for them.
> > > > Please do not forget there are other humans who follow the same
> > > religion
> > > > with a much open mind or of different cultures and some of different
> > > > religions. I think you should separate yourself from those
> > > > "inferior" humans and revise your title slightly to call
> > > > yourself "A Mullah and a fundamentalist Muslim Human Rights
> > > > Advocate."
> > > > >
> > > > > Anwar
> > > > >
> > > > > Lalon sculpture at Dhaka Airport : Demolition fanfare by the
> > bigots
> > > > ......
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Lalon src="http:// media1.somewhere inblog.net/ /images/thumbs/
> > > > banglarjoy_ 1224248015_
> > > 1-lalon_statue. jpg" width=400>The statues
> > > being
> > > > pulled down: Image credit BanglarChokh
> > > > >
> > > > > Mannequins in Macca
> > > > >
> > > > > This picture is from a store in a mall located within 100 yrds of
> > > > Kabba Sharif. Many stores
> > > > > in this mall displys different kinds of Mannequins to attract
> > > customes
> > > > to sell products, just
> > > > > as you would see in any modern mall all over the world. [some even
> > > > shows "naked"
> > > > > female breasts to display bra & brief sets, similar to the
> > picture:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have visited Macca lately, you must have noticed that space
> > > > around Kabba at
> > > > > Masjid-al-Haram is now sorrounded by world class 5-star hotels and
> > a
> > > > very large western
> > > > > style shopping malls. Now when you walk out of the Al-haram, all
> > you
> > > > see is malls and big
> > > > > hotels. Makkah is
> > > supposed to be a place of spirituality, not
> > > > materialism. Any kind of
> > > > > spiritual benefit one gets from the Kaba gets easily lost the
> > second
> > > > he/she step out and
> > > > > walk into these buildings. All you see is people eating, buying,
> > > > selling, you totally don't
> > > > > feel like you are in Mecca. Many people, go to Hajj taking it as
> > if
> > > it
> > > > is some kind of
> > > > > vacation area, people want the best hotel, the best food, drink,
> > > > comfort etc. You must be
> > > > > personally knowing Hajis who took advantages of cheaper gold in
> > > Makka
> > > > and Madina.
> > > > > Masjid al-Haram in May 2007, Mecca [ see the high rise malls and
> > > > hotels in the
> > > > > background skyline] Have you ever seen the Jamaatis and bigots
> > like
> > > > Mufti Fazlul
> > > > > Hoq Amini or Saikhul Hadis Ajijul Haq ever protesting these
> > > > "un-Islamic" practices
> > > > > in Macca [Saudi
> > > arabia] ?
> > > > >
> > > > > The Lalon sculpture is very much consistent with the tradition and
> > > > culture of
> > > > > Bangladesh. If use of Mannequins can be approved in Macca Malls,
> > why
> > > > there is
> > > > > so much fuss about the Lalon Sculpture at the Air Port? It is
> > > another
> > > > FACE of
> > > > > POLITICAL ISLAM i.e the use of religion for political purposes
> > !---
> > > On
> > > > Sun, 11/9/08, mufassil islam mufassili@hotmail. com> wrote:
> > > > > From: mufassil islam mufassili@hotmail. com>Subject: RE:
> > [ALOCHONA]
> > > > Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in
> > > Prothom
> > > > AloTo: alochona@yahoogroup s.comDate: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 8:05
> > > AM
> > > > > Again..the statutes are not representative of any modern art. This
> > > is
> > > > the most ancient form of art in human history which culminated from
> > > idol
> > > > worshipping pagan societies. We do not want people -
> > > especially
> > > naitives
> > > > of a simple-minded society to be dragged into the vortex of
> > justifying
> > > > idolatry in any form or shape. The regime in Egypt is not any way
> > > > Islamic and human rights record in suppressing democratic norms in
> > > that
> > > > country is appalling. The Islamic scholars of Bengal is way far
> > wiser
> > > > than many Arabs and exceptions do not make laws. When world is
> > moving
> > > > ahead in art and culture in various electronic medias - we are
> > bogged
> > > > down in static idolisation of so called great leaders. When Moses
> > was
> > > > away - the Bible and Quran (Exodus and Bakara) say that the
> > followers
> > > > started worshipping the Cow. Please read the context. Human nature
> > > does
> > > > not evolve with time. It is static. Be modern and seal all means of
> > > > deviation and use your intellect to worship the Almighty - not using
> > > > dead idols. You idolise Greats in minds - not by building
> > > statutes.
> > > The
> > > > right salute to them is to fight and strive for the cause they are
> > > > respected for. You democratic modern people - let's suggest a final
> > > > solution - democratically. Let's have a poll. I bet most of us will
> > > > condemn this culture. Now will you condemn our blind uncultured
> > mass?
> > > > Well - that's democracy - mass rules - learn to live with it.
> > Mufassil
> > > > IslamHuman Rights Advocate
> > > > >
> > > > > To: alochona@yahoogroup s.comFrom: anwarshafqat@ hotmail.comDate:
> > > Fri,
> > > > 7 Nov 2008 08:40:34 +0000Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Fw:
> > Misinterpretation
> > > > of Islam by Humayun Ahmad in his column in Prothom Alo
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I live in Cairo, the capital of an important Muslim country and
> > > there
> > > > are statues of many Egyptian personalities of the Islamic era in
> > > various
> > > > street junctions. The same I have seen in Malaysia where statues of
> > > the
> > > >
> > > national personalitiesare erected in various places. I do not think
> > > that
> > > > a close minded conservative approach will take us anywhere ! The
> > world
> > > > is moving ahead whereas we are thinking backwards. The sermons of
> > ill
> > > > informed and almost uneducated religious preachers cannot be the
> > > > yardstick of judging what is right or wrong in a modern 21st century
> > > > society. Regards,Shafqat
> > > > >
> > > > > To: abdurrazzaq1949@ hotmail.com; hgas@northsouth. eduFrom:
> > > > sahannan@sonarbangl adesh.comDate: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:56:04
> > > > -0700Subject: [ALOCHONA] Fw: Misinterpretation of Islam by Humayun
> > > Ahmad
> > > > in his column in Prothom Alo
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear members,
> > > > >
> > > > > Assalamu Alaikum A question has been sent to me to give my opinion
> > > on
> > > > the one -column article
> > > of Humayun Ahmad, a well-known novelist of
> > > > Bangladesh I feel that Humayun ahmad sahib has done injustice to
> > > Islam,
> > > > Muslim and himself.My points are as follows:-( Those who know Bangla
> > > can
> > > > read the attached articlein Bangla.Those who do not know, there is
> > no
> > > > problem as I have taken his point of view in my submissions )
> > > > >
> > > > > !.He says that some madrasah student shouted and government backed
> > > > down on statue issue and removed the under-constuction statue of a
> > > > famous poet and Baul Lalon Shah.This is not true that a few Madrasah
> > > > students protested..Al leasr 50 million Muslims in two hundred
> > > thousand
> > > > masjids heard Khutba ( speech of Imam) of prayer leader in Juma
> > > > congregation on last friday condeming statue making.
> > > > >
> > > > > As against that I have seen human chains, one of 25 people and
> > > another
> > > > of 15 teachers, may be there were a few
> > > others.It clearly reflects
> > > > public opinion.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2.He has tried to justify staue making and honoring them in the
> > name
> > > > of Islam.He says that Prophet (sm) did not erase the picture of
> > Maryam
> > > > from the wall of Kaba when he destroyed other idols of kabah..Is it
> > > any
> > > > justification for statue makinf or placing them in public places for
> > > > reminding heritage?.At the most it can be said that the Prophet
> > > honored
> > > > the existing picture of the mother of Isa (AS)and it will not be
> > > proper
> > > > for Muslims to break statues existing before the advent of Islam of
> > > > religious personages.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr Ahmad has said from Bukhari that Ayesha used to play with dolls
> > > and
> > > > Prophet (sm ) did not stop her.It at the most proves that small
> > dolls
> > > > are permissible for children as Imam Shawkani and Dr Qaradawi have
> > > said(
> > > > Al Halal wal Haram Fil Islam by Dr
> > > Qaradawi) It does not prove that
> > > > statue making and honoring them are permissible.
> > > > > He failed to mention numerous Hadith in Bukhari and other Hadith
> > > books
> > > > which say that those who make statue are cursed and will not enter
> > > > Jannah.
> > > > > 3.We do not know whether there are half statues of three poets and
> > > > saints in Iran.However we know that all statues of Shah of Iran were
> > > > destroyed by the people after his fall and nostatue was made of Imam
> > > > Khomeni.
> > > > > Even if some statues are there, these are violations.We should
> > take
> > > > notice that there is no statue our Prophet, or Sahabi or khalifas of
> > > > Rashidun or Abbasid or Umayyad period, not even of Moghul rulers or
> > > > Sultans of Bengal.
> > > > > 4.About Greek statue in Libiya it is also of Pre-Islamic period ,
> > > may
> > > > be it was not broken for some reasons but the Libiyans did not erect
> > > new
> > > >
> > > statues.
> > > > > 5 About destruction of Buddha statue in Afganistan , Al-Azhar, OIC
> > > > ,Qaradawi condemned the destruction of this old pre-islamic statue
> > of
> > > > Buddha. This does not mean that Islam likes statues and we should
> > > start
> > > > making statues of our leaders, Imams and Sahabis and Khalifas and
> > > place
> > > > them in public places.
> > > > >
> > > > > 6.Mr Humayun Ahmad's piece is an emotional and one-sided and
> > surely
> > > > mis-interpretation of Islam.
> > > > >
> > > > > Shah Abdul Hannan
> > > > >
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