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Friday, December 26, 2008

[ALOCHONA] Bombs Found with Awami Leader

Police has discovered three active bombs with Awami leader in Jessore. Does this mean they are planting something to foil a free and fair election with hope of get ting catapulted by ill-forces to power? The following link has more.


http://www.rtnn.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=894:2008-12-26-17-55-19&catid=43:2008-09-29-04-27-04

You can visit this site for regular news updates. Wohid

 



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RE: [ALOCHONA] According to the Islamic Shariah, Vote to AL is Haram!!!

to other members:  can you please enlighten us about the danger of such super-sophisticated approach in
national politics , offered/proposed/nourished by AL







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From: chowdhuryhkhan@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 00:19:11 -0800
Subject: [ALOCHONA] According to the Islamic Shariah, Vote to AL is Haram!!!

Dear friends,


We all know that the basic activities and life style of BNP & AL is almost similar. As for example both the parties take interest, bribe, wine, women etc without any hesitation.


The only deference lies in the fundamental principles of BNP & AL. BNP wants to keep the fundamental principles of Bangladesh like the same as in our constitution which is included by our great leader Shahid President Ziaur Rahman. On the other hand, AL wants to change these principles like the same as 1972 which is included by our great leader Bangobandhu Sheikh Muzibar Rahman. AL believes in secularism which means that religion and state principles must be separated.


AL wants to remove the clause 1(A) by secularism. In this context is it not haram to vote AL as long as they don't accept the principles as like as our constitution? Mentionable that AL already has accepted "Bismillah" and "Allah is Almighty" as their slogan.  

 

FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES OF Bangladesh 

8. Fundamental principles.- (1) The principles of absolute trust and faith in the Almighty Allah, nationalism, democracy and socialism meaning economic and social justice, together with the principles derived from them as set out in this Part, shall constitute the fundamental principles of state policy.

(1A) Absolute trust and faith in the Almighty Allah shall be the basis of all actions.

(2) The principles set out in this Part shall be fundamental to the governance of Bangladesh, shall be applied by the State in the making of laws, shall be a guide to the interpretation of the Constitution and of the other laws of Bangladesh, and shall form the basis of the work of the State and of its citizens, but shall not be judicially enforceable.



Fundamental principles of Bangladesh Awami League


The fundamental principles of the Bangladesh Awami Leagues shall be Bengali Nationalism, Democracy, Secularism or in other words ensuring freedom of all religions as well as non-communal politics and Socialism, that is to say-the establishment of an exploitation-free society and social Justice.

 

Thanks,

Chowdhury Hossain Khan

Thinker, HR & Peace Workers

 

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RE: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

re cyrus
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Dont u think..you are a bit cruel and biased, when you say that I hate everyone and blame
all NRBs??

I don't .

I have seen many many Bdeshis, living overseas, who are just a bunch of chapabaj, doing little for the common men in Bdesh.

I have seen that for more than 25 years!!....and my comments are based on this experience in Bdeshi community, they are not some pathological,truble-some, narcissistic thought!

I know quite a few of them PERSONALLY. So they do exist around you and me, not just a fantasy.

Don't You think...the people I am talking about spend all their income to buy a 4/5/6 bed-room house + some kind of shiny car
+ always look for Rajuk-allocated lands! and do little for others.

I also know many people around me, who don't stand up in political meetings for big-talks, BUT they silently
contribute to the community.

Why you are so sensitive about my criticism of people who only talk in public gatherings/ parties  and do little?
Do you have too many friends / relatives in this category?

The  main reason of the sad situation in Bdesh is that many of us beleive and practise violence + chapabaji.
This habbit/hobby/addiction should be deleted from our attitude/ national life.

Have you been to social gatherings of Indian community?
Please do...you will notice that usually..Indians talk about independence day ONCE a year and do something positive
for the rest of the year.

Please join me..to condemn chapabaji and exxagerated emotion in too many places, too often.

That will take us no-where.

Let's do something TODAY/ everyday , and talk about liberation war just ONCE A YEAR!

You degrade the value of  liberation war by saying it too many times JUST TO GET SOME ATTENTION.

People who remeber liberation day once a year  and act more often for the common people , are not wrong.
Please follow their path + join them ,  and change the face of Bangladesh.

Khoda hafez.

dr. maqsud omar







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From: thoughtocrat@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:06:52 -0800
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

You have such low opinions of the NRBs and their contribution to the development of BD that I am tempted to say, you are very disconnected from the reality. Your interest in the betterment of orphans is commendable, and I hope you get to help those who are in need.
 
I'd spent the better half of my career preventing abuse of children everywhere (including BD), and stopping domestic abuse of women. My work is trivial compared to the work of many non-resident Bangladeshis who do more important work than I do. They have have dedicated their lives for their causes. So, when I read your incoherent and generalized comments about NRBs who are allegedly not doing anything for the country...I cannot help but think that you have nothing but hate-filled contempt for everyone. Many of these NRBs often talk about the country they'd left behind, the current state of affairs in BD, and remember the significance of our Independence. I am sure you will find all of them and their work worthless.
 
Education, whether half- or full-, is not a matter of gaining a certificate from a university. Anyone can earn a certificate given the right circumstances. The real education is what life teaches a person, and what a person decides to do with that education. Some use their fancy diplomas to spread hate, anger, ill ideas, and sheer stupidity. Others, without the fancy acronyms beside their names, do real work to make lives better for others, teach others how to spread prosperity, and show little contempt for mankind. You should know the difference!
 
 
C


From: maqsud omaba <maqsudo@hotmail.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:12:44 AM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

1. people , world-citizens , who talk about history/ liberation war, spend more time + energy to build their nation. They are not just
CHAPA BAZ.

2. In many many meetings/ functions in USA, canada, australia... etc...so many well-dressed, clean shaven ( although half-educated)
Bdeshis shed gallons of tears, speak in choked voice and stammer about patriotism and economic development. How many of them
contributed ANYTHING...for the country, how much they have contributed in the past 37 years?

3. I want to make it clear.....days of BAKTREETA BAJI...should be over.

4.  It is time to work, for the community, while keeping the mouth shut.

My interest is to help orphans + orphanage in any/every way possible/ do you want to join me and also motivate few other people to contribute
to orphans.

best wishes.

khoda hafez.

dr. maqsud omar







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From: thoughtocrat@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:57:04 -0800
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

Sir....I am afraid your justification or explanation seems rather incoherent. No one here supports violence, inefficiency, corruption, greed and all that. You get dizzy about the talk about our history? That's interesting! People like you make it sound like it happened hundreds of years ago, although we still pay for the mistakes in 1971 and afterwards. More curiously, you ask, citizens of which country talk about liberation, independence, so often? Well, I consider myself pretty well-traveled, and I can assure you, every person that I have met in different countries or who are from countries I have never been to, do talk about liberation, independence even though it happened hundreds of years ago. Even in the U.S., after 250+ years of independence, people cannot talk about the constitution without discussing America's liberty and independence. So, what's wrong with us talking about our past? Six hours before I wrote this email, I met with some reputable people from Western Europe on a business meeting, (unfortunately, I cannot disclose the country for various reasons), and at some point in our meeting, two of them gave us a history lesson on the evolution of their financial industry pre- and post- independence. Again, the point is, only the fools, ignorant, and those who are embarrassed, refuse to talk about their history.

 

You over-simplify the complex path of our democracy by stating that people elected Jamaat, hence it is a sign of healthy democracy. But you should state that Jamaat et. al. got elected because they received indemnity from Bangabandhu, they got into the political arena because of Ziaur Rahman, they flourished under the patronage of Ershad, and resurfaced in the first Khaleda govt. Our scumbag politicians have paved Jamaat's way for re-election, and when people went to the voting booth, the alternatives were non-existent.

 

I never told anyone how they should vote. You should stop misinterpreting my comments. Perhaps, it is time for you to wake up and read my comments carefully. I said that if a group of "independent" people choose to vote for those very people who actively worked against their independence, then this group neither deserves a democracy, nor do they deserve independence. I stand by my statement.

 

You are right. I am not a psychologist, nor do I pretend to be one. But I find it laughable when you, out of all people, criticize me for "condemning those who had different opinion about liberation". Goes to show that you neither understand how ironic your own statement is, nor do you comprehend that the state of being liberated is not an "opinion". It is an existential question, and those who oppose others right to exist, others right to be liberated, are worthy of total condemnation. If someone tells you tomorrow that you cannot roam freely, talk freely, or practice your beliefs, in Australia or elsewhere because it is their "opinion" that you are not worthy of being liberated, then I am sure you would condemn them too for the infringement of your rights.

 

What flabbergasts me over and over again about your comments is that WHEN, exactly when, did I or anyone advocate for mob justice for the Jamaat group? Have we not always demanded lawful prosecution of the war criminals? Where do you find these random ideas that we are advocating for their lynching?! Albeit not a bad idea, we do have respect for the law and we abide by them.

 

It's an asinine question to ask how long I want to shed tears for 1971! The answer is, as long as it takes to make our independence worth the fight. It is not a bygone occurrence that has no relevance in our current lives. What we did, and what was done to us during 1971 and afterwards have tremendous socio-political and economic consequences in BD, which obviously does not register with you or people like you. They would be happy to close the chapter on 1971. But little do you understand that it is not about the war of independence that we are talking about, it is the principles and the ideals that we fought for, it is about the sacrifices that we (including you) made, it is about what does a free and independent Bangladesh mean for us and our successors. Honestly, you don't get that point? All these seem rather sentimental nonsense to you?

 

It's interesting that you give the example of the Jewish community, who remember and are reminded of the holocaust every day; although for many of my Jewish friends it is a memory of their grandparents. So, why is it a terrible thing that we remember and reminded of our Bengali holocaust once a week, and remember what our independence means to us? You see the inherent contradiction in your own statement? What makes you think that Jews are the only group that work hard, and that we, Bangladeshis don't? You must be completely out of touch with the common people in Bangladesh to even imply that Bangladeshis are not working hard enough! We all do our part, in our own way towards progress, prosperity, and community building, of which you know nothing, but quick to judge those who talk about our independence.

 

I am sorry to hear about the losses of your family, and whether you choose to talk about it or not are your prerogative. I don't carry my faith and my patriotism in my sleeves either, although I too come from a very well known family of freedom-fighters. I choose not to talk about my family, but I would never shy away from talking about our independence. ...our common bond that ties us, regardless of our differences. If you think that talking about your independence is a false pretense, I am afraid, you've got it all wrong! 

 

You want to know about new projects in BD? How about starting one? Economic possibilities? Let's talk about our monetary and fiscal policies, shall we? Our socio-economic prosperity "going forward"? Let's talk about social policies that have bankrupted us, and how we can root out elements that are contrary to the secular principles of our constitution. Let's talk about law and order, constitution, enforcement of laws, foreign relations, growing unrest, double-digit inflation, unemployment, environmental disasters. For the last seven or eight years, I think I have wrote enough about these subjects here at Alochona. So far, I am yet to hear any of those forward looking ideas from you, except for sniping, vile remarks about people who talk about independence and AL supporters. You should practice what you preach! After all, you should become the change that you seek, right?

 

Cheers,

Cyrus

 



From: maqsud omaba <maqsudo@hotmail. com>
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:37:13 AM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

re: cyrus
-----------
I never support violence, Baktreeta-baji, corruption, in-efficiency, greed and political-morons.
I am not a chamcha of jamaat.
I get dizzy, when people talk about " liberation war, anti-libaration- force, Freedom-fighting" ....234 times a year.
Citizens of which country....talk about liberation, independence. ..so often?
And then...nourish corruption and in-efficiency to the extreme.!
Havn't Bangladeshi citizens elected Jamaat -members( war criminals??) as MP? If you can't respect any MP, ask few wise-men...
what kind of confused person you are.....as far as democracy is concerned!
You want to tell other people whom to vote and whom to elect.....it is time for you to wake up.
By condemning people, who had different opinion about " liberation-war" , you will not achieve much.
I do know quite a bit about all the atrocities, committed by some Bangldeshis ( and Pakistanis) in 1971. They should be punished,
according to law, not according to revengeful-emotion.
We should talk less about democracy/liberatio n and contribute more to the community.
You may have read few pages from psychology books, but unfortunately, your comments about my profile is not accurate.
For how long YOU want to shed tears for atrocities of 1971?!
When you will leave such sad experience behind you and move forward?
Jews don't talk ONLY about atrocities done to them, they ALSO work hard and nourish/ practise  progress, sincerity,
dedication, community-building.

And reasonable Bdeshi will talk about liberation war ONCE a year and utilize his energy/ time  for positive, contructive projects for
himself and for the country.
Our house was burnt by biharis, my brother is a FF.....one of the first to undertake mission in Dhaka.....
but I seldom talk about that...I prefer to know about new projects in Bdesh, new economic possibilities invloving ordinary
people, new development in Bdesh.
Shouldn't YOU do take 1 more step....forward, not backward.

Best wishes.

Khoda hafez.





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From: thoughtocrat@ yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:05:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

Dr. Omar:
 
I get your convulated argument about democracy and Jamaat's validity. If people elect those war criminals to power, then the people of Bangladesh do not deserve democracy. It's like electing the nazi party into modern German parliament. But that's aside...what I find appalling is the following statement:
 
"...without any supporting documents... .that people with a big mouth,in 2008, ...talking about " anti- liberation forces " etc.....are basically just CHAPA BAJ, striving for cheap attention and upgrading their social status? Do they actually contribute anything.... to the poor... hungry...sick. ..helpless people? My experience has been that ...people shouting against Jamaat , usually are very ordinary, half-educated, shallow, chaotic, disorganized, hollow people.

It is obvious to me that you have neither seen nor believe in the mountain of pictures, video footage, eye witnesses who have witnessed the "anti-liberation forces" and their atrocities. People who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it, sir, and denying the Bengali holocaust is ignorant and vile.
 
Your hyper-inflated self-worth makes you think that those people who oppose the anti-liberation forces do not contribute to the poor, hungry, sick and helpless, and it is you who do. In this forum, I can name at least 20 people who do their work silently for the betterment of people, and don't talk about their benevolent work every week in their postings. You must be the only self-appointed benevolent in your tiny Australian community!
 
You found the anti-Jamaat people "ordinary, half educated, shallow, chaotic, disorganized, and hollow"!To borrow a psychological term, I think you are projecting your own personal deficiencies on others. What can I say to a self-delusional megalomaniac who believes in his self-worth to the point of sociopathic narcissism?! @  
 
Good luck with your delusional narcissism.
 
C

 

From: maqsud omaba <maqsudo@hotmail. com>
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 2:32:46 AM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism


re: isha khan
------------ --

1 thing has always confused me....we say/ demand  that....we beleive in democracy... but we do not want to accept elected MP...if he/she belongs to
Jamaat??!! And we criticize them non-stop, often without any valid reason.What kind of hippocracy is that!

Someone may not have supported AL leadership and the method of our liberation process, with the help of Indians.
what is the problem with that?
That was his/her personal philosophy. attitude. Why we cant accept it...if we beleive in democratic process??

Isn't it true..without any supporting documents... .that people with a big mouth,in 2008, ...talking about " anti- liberation forces "
etc.....are basically just CHAPA BAJ, striving for cheap attention and upgrading their social status? Do they actually contribute anything.... to the poor... hungry...
sick...helpless people?
My experience has been that ...people shouting against Jamaat , usually are very ordinary, half-educated, shallow, chaotic,
disorganized, hollow people.

What has been your experience?

Best wishes.
Khoda hafez.

dr. maqsud omar









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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:14:27 -0800
Subject: [ALOCHONA] What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

What is Wrong with Fundamentalism

Abid Bahar

Is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? The answer is both yes and no. First, what is fundamentalism? It is the official practice of the basic principles of a religion and very importantly, as the dominant religion, imposing them to control the politics of a country. When that happens in a multi religious country, the rights of minorities are violated. Fundamenta lists do it with their claim of ownership of the country and by implication, see the other religious groups as foreigners. So primarily,  it is a question of intolerance associated with fundamentalism.

Is fundamentalism a problem only in Islam? Let me start by saying that contrary to Western propaganda, fundamentalist movement is there in every religion. It is even present in its most dangerous manifestations in Buddhist countries such as in Burma, Thailand, Sri Lanka and in Cambodia, the latter even carried out a genocide against minorities. These are Theravada fundamentalist Buddhist countries. Here the innocent looking monks are very much active in politics even in the destruction of religious sites of other religions, namely, Muslim and Christian. In India and Pakistan minority rights were being denied by the fundamentalists claiming as in India as the Rama Raja, or Pakistan as a Muslim country.

Given the right mood, we see that the manifestation of fundamentalist outbeak can take place anywhere. We see this even in India, a country officially calls itself secular. In India, before  1992, the most unpopular party, BJP could only win two seats in the parliament. But in 1992 it took up the issue of Babri Mosque and claimed that it was the birth place of Rama, a Hindu God. But surprisingly  Rama was not a historic figure. However,  the claim by the BJP satisfied the Hindu majority and on the open day light Hindu fundamentalists marched to the Mosque site and destroyed the Mosque. About 10,000 people were killed in the carnage. Instead of putting the criminal leader Advani in jail, in Indian democracy this fundamentalist leader formed the government and became the Home minister; shaming a country claims itself as the world's biggest democracy. This is an issue of using religion in politics. 

The worst part of fundamentalism is to display anger toward its enemy and its attack of civilian sites. In 2001 some alledgly fundamentalist followers of Osama bin Laden attacked the World Trade Centre buildings in New York city killing approximately 3000 innocent people which led to the release of huge anger among American people and leadership led by Protestant fundamentalist leader George W. Bush. Bush identified himself as the Christian zionist found an excuse to attack Iraq and even before attacked Afganistan causing the death of approximately a million people. Are the terrorists of the trade centre true Muslims? Most Muslims believe no. Is George who led an illegal war in Iraq a true Christian, the answer would be no.

Therefore, the problem with fundamentalism is its show of anger and retalliation against its perceived enemy and its use of violence in the name of God. In India the attack on Babri Mosque followed counter attacks in bombay and more counter attacks are going on in almost all the Indian cities. Here Hindus are killing Muslims and Christians and Muslim killing innocent Hindus. Only lately, some Pakistani fundamentalists entered India and attacked Bombay, killing close to two hundred innocent people and injuring many others.

 In addition to the above, the biggest problem with most fundamentalist movements is, it does not allow diversification; it resists change. It demands a society to remain stagnant. It resists the growth in art, music, business, women's rights and in the other areas. It forces human spirit to die down. Fundamentalist movements in certain religions discurages women to not work outside their homes, thus allowing half of the population and the country to remain backward. It has been a lingering problem in Muslim countries thus helping the countries to stagnate allowing more powerful countries to attack them. This is very much a problem in Muslim countries.
The deadly fundamentalist movements in Muslim countries, however, seem contrary to what the Prophet of Islam advised to his followers and said: "For knowledge even go to China." Education is essential for every Muslim man and woman." Contrary to the Talibans, in the days of the Prophet, Muslim man and women could pray together. Khadija, the wife of the Prophet was a business woman. Ibn Rusd, who was opposed by the fundamentalists of Cordova to be the chief advisor to the Caliph, but his ideas were known to have helped in the European Renaissance.  Thus, he was recognized as  one of the masters of European Renaissance. Strangely though, the Taliban's primitive practices in the rapidly changing economies of our time made Islam laughable to the humanity that is responding to the demands of global change.  

Is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? Yes, it is against change. It is against development, against human rights. It is against development because the fundamentalist leaders interpretation finds change to be  wrong. As opposed to this, human history shows that change is the most unchanging thing in the world.

Is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? Yes, because it brings religion into politics. It kills innocent people.

Finally, is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? We can also say no, but only if religion remaines the personal belief of its followers as the sufis in Islam do. Sufis are very religious people but stay away from politics. There is nothing wrong in being religious, to observe the basic tenents of one's religion such as doing salat, fasting, going for hajj etc. Fundamentalism in that sense is not wrong.  Then, is there anything wrong with fundamentalism? The answer is both yes and no.

Bangladesh to develop has to resist both the forces of Fascism and fundamentalism; because both preches violence. These two are as if like the same body of a poisonous two headed snake. They take every opportunity to kill their prey only to get to power.

What is at stake is to help save innocent lives from these angry primitives justifying their killings in the name of God and with the holy book in their hands reciting the lines of their choice and the Fascist leaders violating the rule of law, resort to control the country by controlling the streets.

 





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[ALOCHONA] The Bangladeshis are All Loosers

All the evil politicians are back on the stage of election in
Bangladesh according to the wish of USA, EU bastards and shameless
citizens of Bangladeshi started to lick the feet of those devils again.
Since the most of the populations of Bangladesh are not properly
educated including editors of leading newspapers published in the
country, they are supporting those corrupt and nasty politicians of the
country that they hated just few months back. How bizarre nature of
people of this country! God knows how long it would take for this
nation to be properly educated... :-(

Vote for "NO" if you truly love your country.


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Re: [ALOCHONA] Vote for AMA Muhith in Sylhet 1

You were a supporter of Gen Moin. Now I see the the nexus between Awami League and Gen. Moin.
 
SH
Toronto


From: ezajur <ezajur.rahman@q8.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 6:12:57 PM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Vote for AMA Muhith in Sylhet 1

Dear Alochoks

I came to Bangladesh to help AMA Muhith (AL) fight Saifur Rahman
(BNP) in a titanic struggle for victory in Sylhet 1.

Its good to get involved.

I urge - and beg - all of you to vote for the better man in your own
constituency. This is what we need. Blind support along party lines
even though the party candidate is known locally as a thug is just a
terrible crime.

Saifur Rahman should not have stood this time. He may have been a
good Finance Minister but the rotten reasons for which he is standing
this time are the same reasons why I am here to fight him.

Find the better man - and vote for him. Whether AL or BNP.

God Bless Bangladesh.

Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait


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[ALOCHONA] Inter-religious marriages

Cyrus..and Other Readers:
 
Sorry for delayed response further to my posting on the issue. I should have clarified the matter a bit further and I do apologise for that. I refer to the instructions from Quran in this matter and Hadith in this matter. I request you to read the following carefully and in entirity.
 
Please note the following references first:
        
        A.
 
The Quran prohibits Muslim men from marrying unbelievers and associators, saying that it is better for them to marry believing women:

And do not marry the idolatresses until they believe, and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress woman, even though she should please you; and do not give (believing women) in marriage to idolaters until they believe, and certainly a believing servant is better than an idolater, even though he should please you; these invite to the fire, and Allah invites to the garden and to forgiveness by His will, and makes clear His communications to men, that they may be mindful. S. 2:221 Shakir
 
 
B.
 
The next text commands Muslim men not to remain married to unbelievers (as some of them were already married before the previous verse was given)
O you who believe! when believing women come to you flying, then examine them; Allah knows best their faith; then if you find them to be believing women, do not send them back to the unbelievers, neither are these (women) lawful for them, nor are those (men) lawful for them, and give them what they have spent; and no blame attaches to you in marrying them when you give them their dowries; and hold not to the ties of marriage of unbelieving women, and ask for what you have spent, and let them ask for what they have spent. That is Allah's judgment; He judges between you, and Allah is Knowing, Wise. S. 60:10 Shakir
 
C.
 
The word for unbeliever comes from the term kafir, which refers to one who makes kufr. According to the Quran, the Jews and Christians (specifically the latter) fall under these categories of mushrik and kafir
 
D.
 
And the Jews say, 'Ezra is the son of ALLAH,' and the Christians say, 'the Messiah is the son of ALLAH;' that is what they say with their mouths. They only imitate the saying of those who disbelieved (kafaroo) before them. ALLAH's curse be on them! How they are turned away. They have taken their priest and their monks for lords besides ALLAH. And so have they taken the Messiah, son of Mary. And they were not commanded but to worship the One God. There is no God but HE. Holy is HE far above what they associate (yushrikoona) with Him! They seek to extinguish the light of ALLAH with their mouths; but ALLAH refuses but to perfect HIS light, though the disbelievers (al-kafiroona) may resent it. HE it is Who has sent HIS Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, that HE may make it prevail over every other religion, even though the idolaters (al-mushrikoona) may resent it. S. 9:28-33 Sher Ali
 
E.
 
The following sahih hadith confirms the view that Christians are both mushriks and kafirs:
Narrated Nafi':
Whenever Ibn 'Umar was asked about marrying a Christian lady or a Jewess, he would say: "Allah has made it unlawful for the believers to marry ladies who ascribe partners in worship to Allah, and I do not know of a greater thing, as regards to ascribing partners in worship, etc. to Allah, than that a lady should say that Jesus is her Lord although he is just one of Allah's slaves." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 63, Number 209)
F.
 
Yet the following verse says that Muslim men can marry women who are Jews and Christians! (None other from any other faith)
Today the good things are permitted you, and the food of those who were given the Book is permitted to you, and permitted to them is your food; Likewise believing women in wedlock, and in wedlock women of them who were given the Book before you if you give them their wages, in wedlock and not in licence, or as taking lovers. Whoso disbelieves in the faith, his work has failed, and in the world to come he shall be among the losers. S. 5:5 Arberry
 
 
Conclusion:
 
From the abve points what we can gather that Jesus Christ or Hazary Eisa(pbuh) was sent as a Prophet and there were true Nasara (Christians) during Prophet Muhaammad (pbuh)'s time including that of Khadiza (AS)'s own cousin who used to live with the Prophet and his family and later reverted to Islam. These Christians followed One True Allah and not TRINITY which was preached by St. Paul - like St. Paul preached many other things like Easter, Christmas etc. This Monotheistic faith was also practised my many Jews as well and the vast majority still do. On the contrary even then there were Christians who practised Trinity. Among the present day Christians I would say the closest Sect of Christianity in Islamic Nasara perspective are the Jehova's Witnesses. Islam allows to marry these Christians and Jews if they dod not preach Trinity as it is easier to bring them closer to Islam quickly and it is also easier to live life together as they do not Worship anyone else apart from the One Creator as Preached BY Jesus and David. But this does not apply to Hindus or Sikhs or other faiths - Primarily because we are not confirmed about any of the Hindu gods and definitely none of the Sikh Gurus was a Prophet even though some of their sects do preach monotheistic ideas - as Hindus do 'Sharbang Khalidang Brahma'. Islam does not believe in the Hindu form of One God where u r confusing oneness with multiples. Sikhism's Oneness is diluted by the 10th Guru as they Bow before Gurugranth Shahib. So, our beloved Prophet (pbuh) did marry Christian and Jew but I think ur inference abt his marrying ppl of other faiths and the Islamic instructions not to marry ppl of other faiths required clarification and I think I have delivered that. I personally believe it is extremely difficult to live an Islamic family life in peaceful coexistence if I am a religious Muslim and my partner is either an atheist or a devoted follower of another faith. It becomes even more complicated if children are involved.
 
Yours sincerely,
 
Mufassil Islam
Human Rights Advocate



To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: maqsudo@hotmail.com
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 05:55:18 +0000
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: [khabor.com] www.votebnp.net

re: zakir hossain
-----------------

who are biggest enemies of Bangladesh?

1. secretaries, who enjoy highest social/official status, then steal money to build palace and after retirement, joins a political party?

2. MP who spends money to get vote and does nothing for local people, then gets involved in corruption?

3. PM and ministers, who has little education/skills/direction, to take good decisons for the country?

4. Businessman/industrialist / Bankers / CEO, who manufacture/ plan / introduce  and sell rotten products and do not care for the common men?

5. Bdeshis, who get a job overseas/ settle abroad and do little for the country?

6. Sk. Mujib, who did not realize that he has no quality to run the country/ but still cretaed so much mess for the nation and nourished
     corruption, dictatorship, anarchy, violence, maladministration, chaos, shallowness?

7. Hyperactive/ emotional/ ill-informed  party men and women, who support their corrupt leaders without any constructive criticism?


8. a bunch of self-made intellectuals, who criticize islam, tries to be a mini-bertrand russel / do not offer any positive contribution/ and follow other country's culture/ philosophy..... without realizing the long-term complications... for our children and grand-children?

It is a difficult Q...indeed/ 

Best wishes for the new year.

khoda hafez.

dr. maqsud omar

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From: sybasesql2003@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:44:05 -0800
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: [khabor.com] www.votebnp.net

Are asking VOTE FOR BNP or JAMAAT?
 
If I see any enemy of Bangladesh, I would consider BNP first.
 
Any questions, comments, do not hesitate to contact me. I will be glad to answer any questions that you or anybody has.
 
BNP haire pora kopal of Bangladesh!!!!
 

Zakir Hossain
Alexandria, VA

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[ALOCHONA] Re: Of election and the evil axis

May be Zoglul Husain can shed some light on this allegation and Isha Khan can post it.  By the way, this allegation is not only against his leader Khaleda's son, it has indeed a long list of people from many countries who took bribes from Siemens, i.e., they didn't prepare this case to tarnish the holy image of his leader and her family members.  Only one page in the report covers Siemens' Bangladesh bribery.  But I am pretty sure the brilliant mind of Zoglul Husain will come up with some global and universal conspiracy theories which will prove this totally fabricated case against one of our innocent leaders as a plot of the evil axis of USA-India-Israel .

From Page 19 - U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission's Case Against Siemens' Worldwide Bribery:

Between 2004 and 2006, Siemens COM paid approximately $5.3 million in bribes to government officials in Bangladesh in connection with a contract with the Bangladesh Telegraph & Telephone Board (BTTB) to install mobile telephone services. The. total value of the contract was approximately $40.9 million. The payments were made to three business consultants pursuant to sham agreements calling for services associatedwith the mobile telephone project. The ultimate recipients of the payments included the son of the then-Prime Minister in Bangladesh, the Minister of the Ministry of Posts & Telecommunications in Bangladesh, and the BTTB Director of Procurement. In addition, Siemens Limited Bangladesh, a regional company, hired relatives. of two other BTTB and Ministry of Post and Telecom officials. Most of the money paid to the business consultants waS routed through correspondent accounts in the United States, with at least one payment originating &om a U.S. account. Since approximately September 2004, a Siemens business consultant who served as a principal payment intermediary on the Bangladesh bribe payments has been resident in the United States. At least $1.7 million of the bribe payments made through this intermediary were paid into a Hong Kong bank account while the intermediary was residing in the United States.


--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Isha Khan <bd_mailer@...> wrote:
>
> Of election and the evil axis
>
> By Zoglul Husain, UK
>
> London 21 December 2008. Barrister Rafiqul Huq, one of the most famous barristers in Bangladesh, who defended Khaleda, Hasina and many other high-profile defendants in their cases, brought in during the tenure of the interim government, blasted the Anti-Corruption Commission (ACC) yesterday, as reported by the daily `Amar Desh' today 21 December 2008, by saying that there cannot be a worse example than what the ACC has done about Arafat Rahman Koko in order to influence the results of the forthcoming general election. He suggested that urgent actions should be taken against Col. Hanif Iqbal, Director-General of ACC, in this regard.
>
> 80% ACC cases politically motivated:
>
> He also claimed that 80% of the cases filed by the ACC were politically motivated, of which he has proofs, and that the present case against Koko is baseless.
>
> These alarming claims about the ACC by a barrister, who is independent of political parties and who is professionally regarded with highest respect, must ruffle the small remnants of the supporters of the interim government. It would be absolutely foolish to discount the statement of Barrister Rafiqul Huq. And, so, the questions must be raised as to why should the ACC try an act of influencing the election and why should the interim government and the ACC, lodge a huge number of cases, 80% of which were politically motivated? The one, only and definite answer to the questions is that the interim government was brought in for a political purpose. And what was then this political purpose?
>
> Take over by evil axis
>
> The evil US-Israel-India axis, which is actively engaged in trying to control West-, Central-, South- and East Asia for the plunder of oil-gas and for geo-strategic reasons, brought in the military-controlled interim government in Bangladesh with the aim of (i) robbing us of our independence and sovereignty, (ii) plundering us of our natural resources and (iii) subjugating Bangladesh for their geo-strategic objectives. But the axis has so far failed in their objectives pretty miserably, in the main because of the quiet and passive resistance, massively offered by the people of Bangladesh, though the axis had a significant and considerable influence over a large section of the administration and the intelligentsia. Obviously, the powers in the evil axis have not learnt from history and they have still been untiringly conspiring for their control over Bangladesh, in which they will not succeed.
>
> Third Force
>
> It was in 2005 when, as the harbinger of the scenario in the offing, the former US ambassador Harry K Thomas declared that a third force, i.e. other than BNP and BAL, will come to power in Bangladesh. Endowed with many good qualities, Harry K Thomas however was not known for fortune telling or occultism, but his predictions came true when on one-eleven 2007 the military controlled interim government took over power in Bangladesh, by cancelling the election scheduled on 22 January 2007, in which the BNP were deemed to return to power. The truth is: Harry K Thomas, in 2005 simply informed the worldwide network of the US allies and operatives, about the blue print of what they were up to in Bangladesh.
>
> Minus Two Scenario:
>
> Another Westerner who opened his mouth in this regard is the Canadian Human Rights lawyer Attorney William Sloan, who in a press conference on 8 March 2008 in New York, revealed that there was a blue print to engineer a clash between political parties, which would provide a good excuse to impose emergency law and bring in a military controlled government. He said: "In August 2005,..., I had conversations in Dhaka with an MP and a newspaper editor who told me about what they called a "minus two" scenario that they described as follows:
>
> 1. In the run-up to the 2007 elections, street violence, which is always present during election campaigns in Bangladesh, would be used to justify cancelling the elections. The decision would be taken by the "Caretaker Government" charged with running the country during the three-month election campaign. 2. A State of Emergency would be declared and the Armed Forces would in effect take control. 3. An anti-corruption drive would be initiated to extract "the two Begums", Khaleda Zia and Sheikh Hasina, from the political scene. 4. The political landscape would be redrawn before the holding of elections, with a "new" political leadership more acceptable to the US State Department." And Attorney William Sloan observed:
>
> "It appears that my interlocutors had crystal balls. The scenario has played out as written, with explicit public support from the US-UK-Canada diplomatic corps which seems to have assumed a 21st Century "White Man's Burden" of remodelling political life in Bangladesh. There is of course a disturbing parallel with US support for General Musharraf in Pakistan and the exclusion of Bhutto and Sharif."
>
> Objectives:
>
> There cannot be any doubt that the blue print for a take over of power and the plan of `remodelling political life' for establishing a subservient government with the intention of subjugating Bangladesh was finalised at least by 2005. And so, what were the objectives?
>
> They want to take control of any gas, coal, offshore oil-gas etc. that Bangladesh has and also they want absolute control of the market. India wants transit, three-country gas pipeline, control of Chittagong port, control of land-, river- and sea routes, multiple-connectivity at several border points and trans-shipment through all routes. The US and India want a deep sea port at their terms i.e. Bangladesh will repay the huge loan with interest, while they will use the port at their discretion, the US wants a naval base in Chittagong area. India wants control over our armed forces and they proposed a joint military operation inside Bangladesh, with India, to flush out ULFA, just as they did in Bhutan in 2003 and since then Indian army has been permanently stationed in Bhutan, and Bhutan has become a dependent territory of India. In the past, India proposed to supply and train our armed forces. The evil axis also has other geo-strategic objectives in the
> area, including Indian Ocean and China,
>
> People's resistance
>
> The politics, as it stands at present, is that the three powers of the evil axis with the support of Europe and their other allies want to reduce Bangladesh to a vassal state of India with the aim of annexing it as a dependent state at a later stage. But their wishful aspirations will not be fulfilled. The valiant people of Bangladesh will resolutely resist the aggression of the imperialists and the hegemonists. The people resisted the conspirators over the last two years and thwarted all their machinations.
>
> The interim government was compelled to give up their `minus two' policy. They illegally sent a huge number of people to prison, but now they have been compelled to release majority of them. They, from behind the scenes, dictated the judiciary, the ACC, the Election Commission (EC) and the administration. But all their plans and programs failed. They launched the non-stop propaganda that they would uproot corruption, but corruption increased a lot during the tenure of this government. What is worse, they evicted hundreds of thousands of shanty dwellers, hawkers, small shop owners and tenants causing inhuman misery to these hapless people. In the name of recovering government lands, they destroyed many buildings, thousands of shops, rural bazaars and economic activity centres. They ended up in ruining the national economy to such an alarming state that serious economists are asserting that the economy has fallen back ten to twenty years. In a
> nutshell, this is a government of destruction, prompted by their foreign masters.
>
> Election
>
> Their political activities are even more sordid. They tried to banish both Khaleda and Hasina, tried to break up the BNP and the BAL in the name of reform, tried unsuccessfully many times to form a kings party or kings front. But in spite their best efforts they failed miserably. Having been compelled to give up the `minus two' formula, the reform of existing parties and the formation of kings parties, they are now hurriedly organising an election. They are on the reverse gear so fast that the whole car is unsteady.
>
> The evil axis and the government will try to control the election as much as they can and it is possible that the elected government will be controlled from behind the scenes by the military. The election will not be free, fair, credible or acceptable. For, the EC under this government has never been impartial, the present government's set up of administration has never been impartial, the Representation of People Ordinance 2008 is repressive and not supported by the main political parties, and above all the parties have been bulldozed to break up to a large extent, especially the BNP. Amid all these oddities, the parties are participating in the election, as an elected government is better than an un-elected government and a civilian elected government is better than a military dictatorship.
>
> Resistance to conspiracies
>
> It would be right at this point to issue a stark warning to the imperialist and hegemonist powers and their lackeys that the people of Bangladesh will defend their independence and sovereignty with all their might and will also defend their national interest with all their strength. The conspirators may make inroads to the government, administration, professions, businesses, etc., but they will never be able to conquer the people. It is through their resolute struggle and defiant resistance that the people will in the end smash the imperialist and hegemonist conspiracies in Bangladesh to smithereens!
>
> Writer: Zoglul Husain
> E-mail: zoglul@...
>
> http://newsfrombangladesh.net/view.php?hidRecord=237362
>
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[ALOCHONA] Re: Question to 'P A lo' 'D star'.Jugantor, Somokal,ETVn Chnnel I

How about Daily Naya Diganta, Amar Desh, Sangram etc.? Which side are
they doing propaganda against? There are 28 known war criminals running
in this election and all of them received nominations from BNP-Jamaat
alliance.

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Md. Aminul Islam"
<aminul_islam_raj@...> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
> All conscious readers know the political stand some print and
electronic media.
> They blatantly doing propaganda against BNP n 4party .They publish n
broadcast news n views against bnp n 4 party .
> According to them 4 party candidates are currupt, criminal rajakar....
>
> BAL n mohajoe Candidates are honest n freedom fighters.....
> My question to them: did you n your candidates fought the war under
the leadership of K Musarrof Hossiain (beai of Hasina) ?
>


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[ALOCHONA] Re: [khabor.com] www.votebnp.net

Dear Alochok Zakir

Your list is accurate and complete - but your number 1 choice is
wrong.

Elected politicians are far worse criminals than bureaucrats.

Elected politicans are the number 1 enemy of Bangladesh.

Ezajur Rahman
Sylhet


--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, maqsud omaba <maqsudo@...> wrote:
>
>
> re: zakir hossain
> -----------------
>
> who are biggest enemies of Bangladesh?
>
> 1. secretaries, who enjoy highest social/official status, then
steal money to build palace and after retirement, joins a political
party?
>
> 2. MP who spends money to get vote and does nothing for local
people, then gets involved in corruption?
>
> 3. PM and ministers, who has little education/skills/direction, to
take good decisons for the country?
>
> 4. Businessman/industrialist / Bankers / CEO, who manufacture/
plan / introduce and sell rotten products and do not care for the
common men?
>
> 5. Bdeshis, who get a job overseas/ settle abroad and do little for
the country?
>
> 6. Sk. Mujib, who did not realize that he has no quality to run the
country/ but still cretaed so much mess for the nation and nourished
> corruption, dictatorship, anarchy, violence,
maladministration, chaos, shallowness?
>
> 7. Hyperactive/ emotional/ ill-informed party men and women, who
support their corrupt leaders without any constructive criticism?
>
>
> 8. a bunch of self-made intellectuals, who criticize islam, tries
to be a mini-bertrand russel / do not offer any positive
contribution/ and follow other country's culture/ philosophy.....
without realizing the long-term complications... for our children and
grand-children?
>
> It is a difficult Q...indeed/
>
> Best wishes for the new year.
>
> khoda hafez.
>
> dr. maqsud omar
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com; chottala@yahoogroups.com;
dahuk@yahoogroups.com; khabor@yahoogroups.com;
notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com; sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com;
vinnomot@yahoogroups.com; tritiomatra@yahoogroups.com; amra-
bangladesi@yahoogroups.com; reform-bd@yahoogroups.com
> From: sybasesql2003@...
> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:44:05 -0800
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: [khabor.com] www.votebnp.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Are asking VOTE FOR BNP or JAMAAT?
>
> If I see any enemy of Bangladesh, I would consider BNP first.
>
> Any questions, comments, do not hesitate to contact me. I will be
glad to answer any questions that you or anybody has.
>
> BNP haire pora kopal of Bangladesh!!!!
>
>
> Zakir Hossain
>
> Alexandria, VA
>
> --- On Fri, 12/19/08, mahathir of bd <wouldbemahathirofbd@...>
wrote:
>
>
> From: mahathir of bd <wouldbemahathirofbd@...>
> Subject: [khabor.com] www.votebnp.net
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com, chottala@yahoogroups.com,
dahuk@yahoogroups.com, khabor@yahoogroups.com,
notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com, sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com,
vinnomot@yahoogroups.com, tritiomatra@yahoogroups.com, "Amra
Bangladesi" <amra-bangladesi@yahoogroups.com>, reform-
bd@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 7:46 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> BNP has launched an web site for election campaign.Have a look of
it if you want
> www.votebnp. net
>

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[ALOCHONA] Vote for AMA Muhith in Sylhet 1

Dear Alochoks

I came to Bangladesh to help AMA Muhith (AL) fight Saifur Rahman
(BNP) in a titanic struggle for victory in Sylhet 1.

Its good to get involved.

I urge - and beg - all of you to vote for the better man in your own
constituency. This is what we need. Blind support along party lines
even though the party candidate is known locally as a thug is just a
terrible crime.

Saifur Rahman should not have stood this time. He may have been a
good Finance Minister but the rotten reasons for which he is standing
this time are the same reasons why I am here to fight him.

Find the better man - and vote for him. Whether AL or BNP.

God Bless Bangladesh.

Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait



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