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Sunday, March 1, 2009

RE: [ALOCHONA] Beware of Indian Propaganda on BDR Mutiny

I think before commenting freestyle, everybody should watch the
complete version of the detailed candid and intelligent interview given
by the surviving eye-witness officer Lt. Col. Shams (it's quite
detailed and addresses quite a number of questions). He was probably one of the
most observant survivors, getting relatively more opportunity to
observe what was going on around him. We should give a lot more
importance to the observations of these survivors, rather than to the
knee-jerk delirious reaction of blind religio-political/xenophobic
fanatics/partisans or outright unscrupulous propagandists.
 
A few points, among many others, from his interview struck me
especially. 1 of them as follows:
 
It was pre-planned. There seemed to be a core group of killers. Not
every BDR soldiers intended to massacre - many of who were probably
threatened, misled or forced to join afterwards (some probably were
also mutineers of opportunity)
 
Lt. Col. shams said, the initial core killers were ALL very very young
troopers. He saw that initial core group of shooters outside, even some
who were unloading ammo from a light grey non-BDR pick-up which he
thinks came from outside. He did not see even a SINGLE senior trooper
at this initial stage in the core group. This is very strange.
 
My question is : Why were all the initial core killers so "very young"
? And what did he mean or what age range did he mean by "very young" ?
He did nor elaborate on this, but he can be asked again though (and
should be - by the investigators. It seems an important point). But as
a working hypothesis we can surmise through common sense that he
probably meant young men between the age of 18-22/23/24 at most. After
25 we really can't call anybody "VERY YOUNG". Men over 24/25 are no
longer Very Young, they are matured men. Besides, we saw some of these
(I suspect) very young men on TV afterwards with masks on their faces.
If these were among those, then I must say the age range was definitely
no more than 20-24.
 
Now, my question is when did these very young men join the BDR ? It's
abundantly obvious from their age, that they did not join BDR before
the last 5-7 years.
 
Now the second question is, who was/were running the country at that
period, i.e. who could have had an organised effective hand in their
recruitment, especially in such a large-scale ? It's obviously not the
present government, neither the army itself as an institution (because
they are the victims).
THEN WHO ELSE ?????
Need I say anything more on this issue ?? (personally, I doubt it
happened during the last CTG). Doesn't it piercingly and inescapably
reeks of the 7-truckload Weapons incident or the 21-August incidence
where, we now know, which nexus was involved and how it was involved
(lest some people miss this point -- it required the patronization of a
certain section of the men in political power at that time) ?
One other question. Where did the initial outside weapons (must be very
advanced ones) came from, which Lt. Col. Shams alluded to ? From that
infamous 7 truckloads of weapons smuggled into our country many of
which were never found afterwards ? Or were they from the same source
from which JMB and their like get theirs from ? By the way, all the
initial leaders of JMB came from another but SINGLE source. We all know
who that is. Finally, we all know who are the experts in creating mass
-graves in this country. We saw that in '71. Also, we know who are the
experts in planning such military-precision massive sabotage,
assasination and massacre in this country, without being military
themselves ? Did we forget the 500 bombs exploding all over the country
simultaneously, the raining of grenades and then escaping on 21 August
from the centre of the town ? The men behind these previous events are
the only people in this country who have the necessary and proven 
expertise, experience, motivation, political desire, anti-bangladesh
ideology, lack of conscience, and cruelty. I think we should also be
able to identify the visible umbrella organization behind them.
By the way, it's also abundantly clear now that this incidence was not
a mutiny -- it's a pre-planned gruesome mass-murder, almost a genocide
of sorts, designed to wipe out a certain section of the pillars of our
defense and security under the smokescreen of a 'mutiny', apart from
trying to destablise the government and the country and perhaps thwart
some new steps taken by the new govt to finally bring into the folds of
justice some very similar unresolved crimes in our history.
By the way, some knee-jerk  reactions are surfacing from a certain
section of pathetic people who it seems are simply unable to have an
independent identity for themselves without contrasting it and turning
it into an eternal victimhood in relation to a percieved bogeyman over
the border. They are already aping the perpetually unidirectional
catchphrases, that were part of the tiny political and propaganda
vocabulary of Ayub, Yahya, Tikka Khans and Rao Forman Alis and their
zombies afterwards. They have nothing new in their repertoire other
than a few such trite paranoid robotic-phrases and don't seem to be
able to contribute meaninfully and thoughtfully.
 
In any case, here is a new possible theory and a few questions for them:
 
Which country in South Asia is almost unversally identified as aiding,
abetting and harbouring extraterritorial terrorists nowadays ? Where is
OBL and his immediate gang is supposed to be hiding at present ? Within
which country's borders the current Taliban fighters have taken refuge
? Which regional country's intelligence agencies trained and funded AQ
and Tal in their initial stage ? Which country's ex-Intelligence chief
has publicly favourably spoken about the Taliban, on TV? From whom our
Bangla Bhais and many of the leaders of the 500-bombers and 21-August
bombers got their initial traing and educaton, as confessed by some of
them ? Does a pattern or nexus emerge here ?
 
AND WHICH COUNTRY RECENTLY OFFICIALLY ADMITTED TO HAVE aided,
abetted and HARBOURED the extraterritorial terrorists involved in the Mumbai
Massacre ? It's no theory -- it's OFFICIAL NOW!
In other words, which is the ONLY country in this region who is aiding
and harbouring, by OFFICIAL admission, terrorists and mass-murderers
specialising in massive foreign/extrateritorrial terrorism, mass-
murder, sabotage, etc ?
Could it be that, it's they who want to find a new and safe outside
route through which they can channel their nefarious activities now (so
that they can't be blamed if they get caught and shift the blame on us
as they have tried in case of the Mumbai Massacre through the DAWN
newspaper , apart from other reasons). And they and their collaborators
found our bright, smart, patriotic, proud officers of the BDR as a
serious stumbling block in their nefarious and necrophiliac activities
? Is that why they felt the need to eliminate them ?
These are inescapably important questions.

--- On Sat, 2/28/09, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Beware of Indian Propaganda on BDR Mutiny
To: "Alochona Alochona" <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 6:29 PM

          Munshi is going berserk --- tearing his hair and knocking over furniture and does not know whether to 'd'art or wind his watch. He ha to prove that it was all RAW/MOSAD/CIA and nothing to do with ISI whose ass-licker he happens to be.
 
          I was at the Nirmul Committee meeting yesterday and the evidences discussed there by various speakers were very convincing. Moreover, most ordinary Bangladeshis are used ro the pattern and the mindset of the Islamists goons and their grisly handiworks.
 
      Farida Majid
 

To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
From: MBIMunshi@gmail. com
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 02:02:34 +0000
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Beware of Indian Propaganda on BDR Mutiny


The following views expressed in the following news report originally came from Indian sources such as SAAG (which is sponsored by RAW) or directly from Indian intelligence as appeared on IBN Live website –

http://www.southasi aanalysis. org/%5Cpapers31% 5Cpaper3072. html

http://ibnlive. in.com/news/ bangladesh- rifles-mutiny- ends-mystery- remains/86374- 2.html

Why are Bangladesh nationals using information manufactured by Indian intelligence? Did no one see the BDR Jawans chanting Joy Bangla as they were engaged in their rampage and killing? Is this the slogan of Islamist fundamentalists? Finally why did India propose to send a Peace Mission to protect the Calcutta-Dhaka Friendship train without even being requested? What would happen if we offered them transit? We can expect they would not need to offer us assistance they would simply send their troops into Bangladesh since we now have an open border after the revolt. We also have information that BSF were sending SMS messages to the BDR jawans during the mutiny. Although this has still to be verified the indications are that Indian intelligence and their human assets in Bangladesh are involved in propagating disinformation and propaganda to misdirect public attention from the real source of the rebellion. I find it utterly disgraceful and appalling that after such a tragedy our own citizens would participate in this Indian game. They should be calling for unity but their acts speak of disunity.


Anti-liberation forces instigate BDR-men to attack army officers


Staff Correspondent

The Bangladesh Today - February 28, 2009

An organised gang influenced by anti-liberation forces in a preplanned way instigated BDR members to launch barbaric attacks on army officials and killed them intentionally in a move to create an anarchic situation in the country.

This allegation was made by participants at a discussion meeting organised by Ekattur er Ghatak Dalal Nirmul Committee at WVA auditorium in the capital on Friday afternoon. Political leaders, lawyers and professors took part in the discussion presided over by National Professor Kabir Chowdhury.

The participants said after the take over of power by Awami League-led 14-party alliance government, the trial of war criminals has been demanded by the people and that has already been approved by the parliament. Under this circumstance, an organised gang influenced by anti-liberation force instigated the BDR members to create an anarchic situation in the country in order to foil the proposed trial of war criminals.

They said good numbers of fundamentalists were appointed at different significant sectors of the country during the tenure of BNP-led four-party alliance government. Now they are trying to destroy the mission and vision of the government including the trial of war criminals so that it does not take any steps against the war criminals.

Barrister Tania Amir said in order to create countrywide anarchic situation to foil the proposed trial of war criminals, an organised armed gang influenced by anti-liberation forces launched attack on army officials and killed them intentionally. They also violated their wives during the attack which lost happened in 1971.

"To keep the situation under control, our Primer Minister Sheikh Hasina announced amnesty but the amnesty will not cover of murderer and violations. Trial of killers and violators must be held under existing procedures," she said.

Workers party president also MP Rashed Khan Menon said soon after taking decision over trial of war criminals, a certain group are becoming very active to create anarchic situation throughout the country. "We will have to take steps against this vested quarter carefully, because conspirators might instigate and create more untoward situations anytime," he said.

Kabir Chowdhury said soon after announcing amnesty, the situation came under control but it does not mean that the mutineers will be freed from criminal offence. Trial is must for killers and violators. "The government will have to reform the function of BDR and different intelligence departments immediately and take measures for ensuring trial of mutineers," he said.


 



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[ALOCHONA] Re: The BDR mutiny - revenge for Padua and Boraibari

Dear Alochok Cyrus

My sincere condolences to you and all the families of the fallen.

Whatever our external demeanour we are most of us no doubt keeping
howling winds at bay within our hearts. I too am sorely tempted to
try and figure out what happened whatever my limitations. It is only
pain, not wisdom, that prevents most of us from unleashing on our
keyboards. And prevents uniformed men from taking the law into their
own hands - so far. We are on dangerous ground still.

Investigations must not only be thorough and substantive - they must
be seen to be so.

We must stay calm.

Even though we have no precedent of the truth being handed to us on a
plate.

My sincere condolences to you again. May Allah bless the families of
the fallen.

Best regards

Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Cyrus <thoughtocrat@...> wrote:
>
> Mr. Munshi...did you drum up that badly written conspiracy theory
yourself, or read it in some BNP/Jamaat leaflet? Have you not learned
anything except AL and India? It's curious that those who are known
to support BNP or Jamaat are the first ones to post their comments
here, all pointing fingers at India, U.S., and of course Israel, who
supposedly cooked up the BDR mutiny. I mean, enough already! There
has to be a point when this collective stupidity has to end, and
rational analysis needs to begin.
>
> I have lost over 14 friends, distant family members, and family
friends in this heinous massacre, and I really don't have the stomach
for conspiracy theories that point West. This is no mutiny. This is
pre-meditated massacre to throw the last bit of law and order out the
window, throw the country into total disarray, and challenge the
current govt's authority. Mutineers don't murder innocent civilians,
rape women and children, loot properties. Soldiers, real soldiers,
fight for their rights. These are cowards and thugs, who apparently
had help from the intelligence and political communities. Unlike you,
I am not going to post conspiracy theories. Let's see how things
unfold and what we discover. Only then we will judge the actions of
those responsible, as well as the actions of the government and the
opposition. Until that happens, I would advise you not to stay up at
night and come up with remarkably meaningless conspiracy theories.
>
> Cyrus
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: M.B.I. Munshi <MBIMunshi@...>
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 2:07:28 PM
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] The BDR mutiny - revenge for Padua and Boraibari
>
>
> The BDR Mutiny - revenge for Padua and Boraibari
>  
>  
> It is now widely believed that the barbarous mutiny at BDR HQ
(Pilkhana) in Dhaka was perpetrated in revenge for the death of 19
BSF jawans killed (after they intruded on to Bangladesh territory) in
the counter-attack by the BDR at Padua of Sylhet and Boraibari of
Roumary on April 18, 2001. The BDR was then headed by Maj. Gen. ALM
Fazlur Rahman who has since maintained that the three BDR soldiers
killed in that encounter should be decorated with National Sword as
Birsreshtho and should be commemorated in exactly the same way as the
martyrs of 1971. This has regrettably not been done by any of the
governments since the incursion by the BSF into Bangladesh in 2001
and it was surprisingly not one of the demands of the rebellious BDR
soldiers in the Pilkhana mutiny of 2009. While the mutineers were
able to recall many injustices committed against them over the
several decades since independence this single most glaring example
just managed to escape their
> over-wrought attention.
>  
> Revenge for Padua and Boraibari was the principal justification for
the planning and execution of the mutiny but another important
objective was to have Bangladesh accept a Peace Mission from India to
protect the Kolkata-Dhaka Friendship train service as explained in
some news reports. The real purpose for this Peace Mission would be
to act as an occupying force and spark further trouble and enmity
between the army and the BDR that was likely to ensue after the
savage murders at Pilkhana. This would have held out the double
benefit and advantage to India of furthering their agenda for
securing a transit facility across the country and at the same time
cripple the defence and security services of Bangladesh . This would
merely be the fulfillment of what had been planned after the 1971 war
with Bangladesh having no standing army and the defence needs of the
country being organized under Indian army tutelage and control as
spelled out in the 7 point
> agreement signed by the Mujib Nagar government which had only been
partly implemented after liberation. The internal law and order
situation would according to this agreement be handled by a
paramilitary force trained and equipped by India 's external
intelligence agency RAW. The first part of this plan was thwarted
when the Indian army was forced to leave (which would probably be the
same fate of this proposed Peace Mission but with more violent and
disturbing consequences for India) after resentment began to grow
amongst freedom fighters and the ordinary people of Bangladesh
against their prolonged presence which was seen to be tantamount to
being an occupying force. The second part of the 1971 plan was
suddenly disrupted after the August 15, 1975 coup when the
paramilitary force called the Rakkhi Bahini was disbanded soon
thereafter. The Rakkhi Bahini earned the reputation of being an
undisciplined, brutal and violently vindictive force under the
> direct control of Sheikh Fazlul Haque Moni and later Tofail Ahmed.
It has now been recommended that after the mutiny at Pilkhana the BDR
force should similarly be disbanded and like the Rakkhi Bahini have
its members assigned to other security forces of the country. In its
place a new paramilitary organization would be established and given
the name - as one senior army officer has proposed - the Bangladesh
Border Force or BBF. This would be the appropriate outcome for the
BDR which has by its despicable and heinous acts condemned itself to
utter oblivion.
>  
> A further comparison may now be made with the situation prevailing
immediately after 1971 relating to the suspicious role played by the
Awami League leadership. The conduct of the AL government during the
recent mutiny is increasingly coming under close and intense scrutiny
especially in its failure to act in a timely fashion to counter the
revolt by sending in the army directly into Pilkhana compound on the
very first day of the uprising. To stall such a move the AL
administration sent Sahara Khatun, Jahangir Kabir Nanak and Mirza
Azam to negotiate terms with the mutineers. None of these individuals
have any experience or expertise in conducting such negotiations and
they carry little weight or influence within the country or party but
were nevertheless chosen. There were, however, several senior leaders
in the party who were far better qualified to undertake this task but
were simply not asked by the Prime Minister. It is a surprise and a
miracle that
> after the number of civilians that were killed or injured outside
the gates of Pilkhana these `negotiators' (Sahara Khatun, Jahangir
Kabir Nanak and Mirza Azam) managed to successfully dodge the bullets
and were not automatically set upon by the rebels on their entry into
the compound. Another aspect of the AL handling of the crisis that
has raised objections relates to their deliberate policy of dividing
the country on purely partisan lines on the issue of the rebellion.
In a time of national emergency it would be expected that the
government would attempt to unite the country by calling for all-
party involvement in the decision making process. Instead the AL (on
the basis of accusations made in the Indian press and media) started
pointing fingers at the opposition parties for complicity in the
mutiny. The view has been expressed in some quarters that this self-
defeating approach to the revolt was deliberate so that the army
would be undermined in
> revenge for their role in the 1/11 takeover and also in their
pursuance of corrupt politicians in the AL and their ultimate trial
and prosecution during the tenure of the two year caretaker
government. This is entirely consistent with the AL 's inherent
distrust of the armed forces â€"originally encouraged and inspired by
India â€" which also existed during the government of Sheikh Mujibur
Rahman and became greatly intensified after the coup's of 1975 which
saw the AL pushed into the political wilderness for the next two
decades. Against this inclination of the AL the people of Bangladesh
will expect this government to declare the victims of the mutiny as
martyrs to be honoured in the same way as the freedom fighters who
lost their lives in the 1971 war but which still has not been done
for the BDR soldiers who died in Padua and Boraibariwhile protecting
the territory and borders of the country against Indian intrusion and
aggression.  
>


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FW: [ALOCHONA] Here is the true story of BDR

We are not sure if its true or false. All we want is a mirror big enough to see the shadows of past and a light powerful enoug to see the path of future. Help us, Almighty!!!
 
Please read the writing below, keep your points on it.


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From: bd_mailer@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:14:32 -0800
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Here is the true story of BDR

 
Here is the true story of BDR:
 
1. Before 2002, only very average army officers were posted to BDR. Those officers used to pass time and wait for retirement. The scenario was changed in late 2002, when army started to pump in outstanding officers to BDR to shape up the national border and curb cross-border crime and smuggling. If you plz recall, Phencidil was introduced by India in Bangladesh across benapole in the mid 1980s at the cost of Tk 2 per bottle. once they captured our young brains, they rose the price gradually and now they have phency factories all along Bangladesh border only to supply to Bangladesh. this is just an example of cross-border crime. so, to guard our beloved land, army started pumping very good officers into BDR. Before 2002, the BDR jawans were very rich through the earning of smuggling. their sepoys and naiks and havilders had buildings and house that even officers can only dream of. After 2002, smuggling and its sharing by BDR jawans started coming down. capture of smuggling figures, if you can manage, will rightly prove that. Therefore, the young BDR jawans that were pictured from pilkhana were the young ppl with 5-10 years of service who could not earn from smuggling. their seniors told them, "You see, we have made house when we were sepoy, but you can't have now because army officers are making money and not sharing with you." this is theme they used to motivate the young jawans.
 
2. whenever there is an encounter with BSF, always we are the winner. Plz remember the incidents of Roumari, Padua etc.. But all that appear in media is about our casualty only, rightly for the purpose of diplomacy principle. as long as army officers lead BDR, BSF will never win any single battle, they will always be in the loser's end and india will not be able to pump in drugs, fake currency and other harmful things into Bangladesh. the DADs of BDR are the worst losers. They are educated officers but cannot do anything because of army officers.
 
3. If you take another glance of Point 1 and 2 above, you will realise that if you were the enemy of Bangladesh, you would surely do the folowing:
• Capitalise on point 1 to motivate DADs and young BDR jawans against the army officers
• if BCS officers are posted, the shrewd DADs would be able to easily bluff the innocent and educated BCS officers, threat them, and earn money.
 
4. this is the point on which our enemy used to motivate and raise the point of "nirjaton and bonchona" by army officers. If there were any such "bonchona and nirjaton" in this new millennium, could it be kept hidden from your eyes and from the eyes of international media and from the people of Bangladesh? IMPOSSIBLE!
 
5. Now come to 25th February:
• RAB arrives at Pilkhana gate at about 10am and ready to move in. Home Ministry said a stubborn "No".
• Troops of Mirpur Cantt and Dhaka Cantt arrives at Pilkhana by 11:30am. they seek permission to go in. Again a big "No"
• Innocent Media people, bluffed by the BDR jawans, focus to the nation the good side or the "right cause" of rebellion BDR. they ask for BCS officers....!!!
• Govt sends nanok and others and they enter courageously into BDR Pilkhana and safely come back and they are not held hostage.
• At 4:30pm, army tanks are ready to go in, briefing done, again a big "No". The army is told to go 3 km away from Pilkhana.
• Night comes. sahara and nanok enter BDR and all lights are off. sahara visits families of army officers without nanok as seen on TV channels through BTV footage. She does not; we repeat DOES NOT meet any army officer of BDR.
• Media people telecast live sound of firing from inside Pilkhana when sahara is inside.
• sahara comes out and faces the media. some channel representative asks her "Apni jokhon vitorey chilen, amra goolir shobdo shunlam, apni shunen ni?" she say "No. I did not hear any firing". sahara did not mention anything about the 168 officers inside, nor the media asked her where were the officers.
• THIS WAS BECAUSE AT THAT TIME BDR WAS COMPLETING THE TOTAL KILLING OF ALIVE OFFICERS AND THIER FAMILIES UNDER THE EYES OF NANOK AND MASS GRAVES WERE BEING PREPARED. Please refer to the Ntv exclusive with major Mokarram on 28th evening. He said that he heard the voice of home minister entering into the kote when BDR gunmen surrounded him.
• IG police freely moved in because his daughter and son in law capt haider was inside. He ensured the rescue of his daughter, married 82 days earlier.
• only police is allowed to enter pilkhana and throughout the night they find only 7 dead bodies and suggest that search could not be done due to darkness.
• NON-MILITARY AMBULANCES ENTER AND LEAVE PILKHANA A NUMBER OF TIMES AND TAKES AWAY SO MANY DEAD BODIES....BUT THE TOTAL STILL REMAINS 7. Only 5-7 other bodies appear from canal behind BDR naturally floating. IT WAS BECAUSE THOSE AMBULANCES TOOK ABOUT 32 KILLERS AWAY.
• Next morning there is no sign of bodies. Bodies and mass graves are discovered after army and fire brigade (fire brigade boss is a brigadier of army) enter into pilkhana late in the morning.
• Size and depth of mass graves indicate that killers used the whole night to dig those and also to FLY AWAY from PILKHANA. Only about 200 fools of BDR were left at Pilkhana.
• Nanok in a media briefing in front of Pilkhana declares that "It was a big conspiracy" and lac lac crore taka were distributed in Pilkhana." DEAR MEDIA, HE WAS RIGHT. BECAUSE EACH DAD WORKING AT PILKHANA GOT TK 25 LAC between 22 and 24th February, distributed by nanok's men.

6. you see how brutally the representative of Bangladeshi people, elected just 50 days back-- sahara, nanok, mirza azam and jalil...all of them ensured that your officers and their families, the officers of Bangladeshi people, are killed and molested. Only about 37 or 57 officers were killed in our War of Liberation 1971 by pakistanis in 9 months. and our own ministers and MPs ensured that more than 140 officers and families are killed in about 24 hours!!! What an achievement of our nation!!
 
7. BCS officers in BDR, and no officer from army, would ensure that another Rakhkhi Bahini could be in the making.
 
8. Added fuel to the fire was the corruption of DG and other very few officials in 'operation daal vaat'. we regret that and we apologize to the nation.
 
9. It is now clear that nanak and DAD tauheed had been communicating each other for last 1 month plus. They are classmates.Your home minister and nanak arranged the safe exit of all 13-14,000 BDR troops from Pilkhana throughout the night.
 
Bangladesh army was not allowed to fire on the plea that "peaceful negotiation' was going on. We are servant of govt. we can't but abide by orders.
 
If we were allowed to enter Pilkhana even at 4pm on 25th February, we could save many innocent lives. Ask the people from the area/village of the dead officers. they all will say that those were our golden sons of the soil.....truly so. They prove it in UN missions. That is why Bangladesh is the largest troops contributing country to UN. it is not India, Pakistan, US, Canada...it is poor Bangladesh! How strange........!!!!!
We are not asking you to believe this email. We are requesting you to use your judgement.
 
Please let the People of Bangladesh know what your judgment says. Do something for the nation...in exchange of 140+ lives of your families....your officers...your sisters...martyred at Pilkhana by .......
 
If your judgment concludes that what were said in this mail in the name of Allah are true, please forward to all possible contacts. Let the world know what you understand to be the truth.. it is your responsibility as a human being. Is not it?
 




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RE: [ALOCHONA] The Peelkhana Massacre:An act of revenge or a foreign-inspired commando operation


What happened in BDR is the result of many years of...inefficiency, corruption, greed,
immorality and violence.

How that can be rectified......by few committees, hanging and shouting.

We have to teach primary school students TODAY, how to keep away from these evil-habbits, in everyday life.

Then in 2028, we can expect a more peaceful, happy society.

Criticizing tom, dick and harry will not rectify any of our degenerating hobbies/ habbits.

Khoda hafez.

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RE: [ALOCHONA] Here is the true story of BDR

Cabinet body endorses Tk 40cr housing project for top civil servants
Khawaza Main Uddin

A cabinet committee on Sunday endorsed about Tk 40 crore housing project for providing top civil servants with 104 flats in the city's Lalmatia area at slightly subsidised rates.
   The Cabinet Committee on Purchase, at a meeting chaired by finance minister Abul Maal Abdul Muhith, approved seven proposals, majority of which were on property development, cabinet secretary Mohammad Abdul Aziz said.
   Besides, the committee endorsed a proposal from the lowest bidder for supply, installation and commission of a 'Computerised Container Terminal Management System' and 'Management Information System' at the Chittagong Port at a cost of Tk 63.5 crore. It is a component of 'Chittagong Port Trade Facilitation' project being implemented by the port authority with assistance from the Asian Development Bank.
   Under the project 'Flats for Sales Among Government Officials in Lalmatia Housing Estate', officers ranked between joint secretary and secretary will be given allotment of these flats of 1,250 square feet each, through lottery.
   Officers of assistant secretary and deputy secretary ranks will also be provided with a good number of flats of 1,060 square feet size each in the next phase of the project being implemented by the housing and public works ministry, said officials at the cabinet division.
   The cabinet committee approved a proposal for construction of seven bridges in Purbachal New Town at a cost of Tk 45.19 crore with the Rajdhani Unnayan Kartripakkhya's own fund.
   Two more proposals endorsed in the meeting involved land development and road construction in Uttara model residential project.
   The committee approved a proposal for appointment of a consulting firm for Tk 38.38 crore for the project on small water body development in greater Mymensingh, Sylhet and Faridpur regions being implemented by the Local Government Division with assistance from the Japan International Cooperation Agency. Another proposal for appointment of a consulting firm for Tk 12.79 crore for Dhaka-Chittagong railway development project with JICA assistance was also endorsed.

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Another proof ...that PM Hasina's corrupt advisor's are not offering very "citizen-friendly advice" to the PM.

Can we get the details of properties/ wealth....the adviso'r own now!!

And then compare that figure AGAIN...in 2114.

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RE: [ALOCHONA] accomodation for top officers

What an untimely announcement??
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Cabinet body endorses Tk 40cr housing project for top civil servants
Khawaza Main Uddin

A cabinet committee on Sunday endorsed about Tk 40 crore housing project for providing top civil servants with 104 flats in the city's Lalmatia area at slightly subsidised rates.
   The Cabinet Committee on Purchase, at a meeting chaired by finance minister Abul Maal Abdul Muhith, approved seven proposals, majority of which were on property development, cabinet secretary Mohammad Abdul Aziz said.
   Besides, the committee endorsed a proposal from the lowest bidder for supply, installation and commission of a 'Computerised Container Terminal Management System' and 'Management Information System' at the Chittagong Port at a cost of Tk 63.5 crore. It is a component of 'Chittagong Port Trade Facilitation' project being implemented by the port authority with assistance from the Asian Development Bank.
   Under the project 'Flats for Sales Among Government Officials in Lalmatia Housing Estate', officers ranked between joint secretary and secretary will be given allotment of these flats of 1,250 square feet each, through lottery.
   Officers of assistant secretary and deputy secretary ranks will also be provided with a good number of flats of 1,060 square feet size each in the next phase of the project being implemented by the housing and public works ministry, said officials at the cabinet division.
   The cabinet committee approved a proposal for construction of seven bridges in Purbachal New Town at a cost of Tk 45.19 crore with the Rajdhani Unnayan Kartripakkhya's own fund.
   Two more proposals endorsed in the meeting involved land development and road construction in Uttara model residential project.
   The committee approved a proposal for appointment of a consulting firm for Tk 38.38 crore for the project on small water body development in greater Mymensingh, Sylhet and Faridpur regions being implemented by the Local Government Division with assistance from the Japan International Cooperation Agency. Another proposal for appointment of a consulting firm for Tk 12.79 crore for Dhaka-Chittagong railway development project with JICA assistance was also endorsed.


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Unfortunately, the document does not clarify:


1. If officers with 2-3 flats in Gulshan/ Baridhara will be eligible?


2. Officers with more than 1 crore Tk..in their hidden pockets. will get the offer too?


3. How this new housing project will help to shorten...the gap...between rich and poor?


What type of social justice we are offering to the society??


Khoda hafez.


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[ALOCHONA] MBI Munshi and his Pakistan/ISI connection

Every reader must be aware of this MBI Munshi and his ISI/Pakistan defense connection. MBI Munshi works as SENIOR MEMBER of Pakistan Defense Forum. Please go to this link to know about his long Pakistan connection.

Link: http://www.defence.pk/forums/members/mbi-munshi.html. Once you take his background in consideration you will understand where his write up are paid from.

 

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  1. AgNoStIc MuSliM
    02-09-2009 02:36 PM - permalink
    AgNoStIc MuSliM
    Munshi sahib,

    Could you post a link for the existing thread that the 'Indian proxy war in Sri Lanka' needs to be merged with?
  2. dimension117
    02-08-2009 01:56 AM - permalink
    dimension117
    Lol u guys still trust the government. Thats good. Because I certainly have no hope in our government. Whatever has to be done has to be done by us: the people. The politicians are there for their own benefit.

    Weall have to unite under one banner and fight this information war face to face look into their eyes and be ready for their games. We are all Pakistanis and if an Indian is trying to spread propaganda it is our duty to protect our homeland. Thats the idea now.

    With 60 years of bullshit governance we have lost hope in our government.
  3. dimension117
    02-02-2009 01:01 AM - permalink
    dimension117
    I think the main problem for both countries is our weakness in information warfare and propaganda. The Indians are damned good in these areas. There is much we can learn from them.

    I agree with you completely. The way they have been able to sell their version and most recently even put the issue of Kashmir off the charts completely proves the power of their information warfare ...

    They continue to win diplomatic victory after victory and we continue to dwell in our own stupidity. And it hurts. I love my country and i know what india says about the terrorists being from pakistan is clearly a lie but the powerlessness and weakness and lack of nationalism shown by our people seems to rule everything. The worst ppl r ones who come in power here.

    We need nationalists. We need believers in the ideal of pakistani nationalism.
  4. dimension117
    01-28-2009 03:16 AM - permalink
    dimension117
    I would say the older generation has too much expectation of the younger one. They seem to be worse than the older one and much less patriotic. They forget their blood and their nation.
  5. dimension117
    01-27-2009 07:10 AM - permalink
    dimension117
    I think it has become more upon the people. The government has never done anything useful. If it had then we would be one and have the largest muslim population in the world and would be a power to be reckoned with. If that was done Pakistan would not be bullied by USA and India and Israel and have its people massacred by Indian sponsered terrorism in FATA Balochistan and Swat and Bangladesh would'nt have civilians and BDR men being killed every week by BSF forces and islands being occupied by them.

    Hopefully when i get time off a little more i will create a small forum for bangladeshi and pakistani unity. We are brothers. Pakistan-Bangladesh trade is at $350 million. F4 business community best way to increase contact will be increase in trade.

    But unity in other fields is most important. We need to stand united against RAW sponsered terror in our nations and raise our voice against it together as we are all major victims. U r an influential person my brother and can make a difference. The nationalist pakistanis r slowly gaining influence and maybe we will be able to affect government policy and direct it.

    The sort of policy change needed to however bring people of Bangladesh and Pakistan together can be done by a large grouping of individuals who r powerful and can affect the opinions and thought of people.
  6. dimension117
    01-25-2009 10:17 AM - permalink
    dimension117
    We need closer ties but the governments dont do anything useful in this regard.
  7. dimension117
    01-25-2009 10:17 AM - permalink
    dimension117
    Well i suspect ahmedsid may not be muslim at all...

    All the pakistanis ain't around cauz its the mumbai drama and the constant propaganda man. It has got us all reallll busy. I was up doing articles on it and stuff and videos and speeches and all. We hated what india did... pure propaganda done by indian hindu terrorists and indian intelligence and blamed on pakistan.

    I called on zaid and said i wanted to be in his team but he is not in contact at all. Hes more busy than me ofcourse cauz he has a bigger role. I am just very young and trying to run my own life and along with it be a good pakistani...

    In any case Indian terror must be stopped at all costs.
  8. dimension117
    01-24-2009 03:17 AM - permalink
    dimension117
    Where are u by the way? Long time no c mate?
  9. dimension117
    01-24-2009 03:16 AM - permalink
    dimension117
    MBI munshi dont lose hope. ahmedsid is actually a hindu terrorist acting like muslim. Ofcourse it is part of their media war to criticize and attack any individual who exposes the murder rape and torture brought to this entire world by indian terror.

    Indian terror has to be stopped at all costs and I am glad to have you as a brother in this war against Indian terror and oppression.
  10. Lockheed F-16
    01-22-2009 02:41 PM - permalink
    Lockheed F-16
    Hello dear friend,

    thanks for the invite!

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