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[ALOCHONA] Unity against nat’l crisis stressed

Unity against nat'l crisis stressed

 
Strategic experts at a roundtable on "The importance
of national unity to secure independence organised by the
Defence magazine at the National Press Club yesterday. NN
photo

Speakers at a roundtable here today underscored the need for forging a strong unity for addressing any national crisis in a coordinated manner in future.

The country's significant achievements, made since the 1952 language movement, have repeatedly been threatening due to lack of such national unity, they added.

The roundtable on "No alternative to Forge National Unity to Protect Interest of the Independence," organised by 'Bangladesh Defence Journal, a monthly magazine, at the Jatiya Press Club here.  Editor of the magazine Abu Rushd moderated the roundtable, joined by senior journalists, defence experts, retired army officers.

Among them, former Adviser of Caretaker government Maj Gen (Retd) Moinul Hossain former Director General of BDR Maj Gen (Retd) Anwar Hossain, former Adviser of Caretaker government Maj Gen (Retd) Ruhul Alam Chowdhury, Chairman of Bangladesh Kallyan Party Maj Gen (Retd) Syed Mohammad Ibrahim, former Director General of DGFI Maj Gen (Retd) MA Halim, President of Bangladesh Institute of Peace and Security Studies Maj Gen (Retd) Muhammad Abdul Matin, Columinst Brig Gen (Retd) Nurul Haque and Expert on Maritime affairs Commodore M Khurshed Alam, took part in the discussion.

Senior journalist Gias Kamal Chowdhury said the people must unite to face the challenges the country is now passing through.

Maj Gen (retd) Moinul Hossain, Bir Bikram, said the country have lost over 60 brightest army officers during the 33 hour BDR mutiny on February 25 and 26. But during the nine month period of the War of Liberation the country had not lost so many officers, he added.

Former BDR Director General Maj Gen (retd) M Anwar Hossain, Bir Pratik, suggested reorganizing the border force by renaming it Bangladesh National Guard (BNG) to bring discipline back in the paramilitary troops.

The government, political parties and people must remain alert so that such brutal BDR massacre cannot takes place in the country in future, said Maj Gen (retd) Syed Mohammad Ibrahim, Bir Pratik.

Commodore (retd) Khurshed Alam said the country lacks efficient management to deal with any unstable situation in future. The country's national crisis management system should have technical, human and conceptual skills to face any untoward situation, he added.

Maj Gen (retd) Abdul Matin urged the media to play a vital role in guiding the nation during any critical moment in the country.

Former adviser of the caretaker government Maj Gen (retd) Ruhul Alam Chowdhury said the nation expects transparent enquiry into the BDR massacre and expressed the hope that motive behind the BDR rebellion would be made public after completion of the investigation.

Editor of the New Nation, Mostafa Kamal Majumder called of ensuring security of stability to ensure national unity. He said the political parties are great unifiers of the people and their notes should be properly evaluated.

Executive Editor of the daily Jugantar Saiful Alam said it is very unfortunate that people could not be united on any national issue after the country's independence. He urged all to work untidily considering interest of the country.

Criticizing the political parties for blaming each other after the last month's BDR massacre, retired army officers said the political parties may have some discrepancies but they should be united for the sake of national interest.

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[ALOCHONA] 25 Commandoes came from India for BDR carnage

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[ALOCHONA] FIDEL V. RAMOS - On recent Killings in the Philippines & Bangladesh

Killings in the Philippines and Bangladesh
by FIDEL V. RAMOS
03/12/2009 1:46 AM
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/print/45484

Fidel Valdez Ramos (born March 18, 1928) was the 12th President of the Philippines

What happened on 25 February in Bangladesh and here? Killings within military units. So, are there lessons to be learned by both countries? What's the connection anyway?

To the complacent or uncaring, there probably are no significant connections, no lasting lessons. After all, Bangladesh is two time zones away, well beyond ASEAN and APEC clusters where the Philippines is active.

Bangladesh is a densely populated South Asian country of 153 million in a 144,000 sq. km. area or less than half the Philippines, with a population of 90 million.
The U.N. 2008 Human Development Index reveals:

HDI Rank Life Expectancy at Birth (years) GDP per Capita Population Growth Rater (2005-2010) Fertility Rate
Philippines 90 71.0 PPP US$ 5,137 1.9 3.2
Bangladesh 140 63.1 PPP US$ 2,053 1.7 2.8
Sierra Leone 177 41.8 PPP US$ 806 2.0 6.4

Note: Sierra Leone is the least developed among nations rated.

In HDI, countries like Samoa (77) and Peru (87) surpassed the Philippines, while Bangladesh is below Laos (130) and Myanmar (132). Although Filipinos have higher Parity Purchasing Power per capita, Bangladesh has lower population growth and fertility rates.

25 February
The highlight of this year's People Power Revolution Anniversary was scheduled on 25 February. Not much happened on that day in the Philippines, except for the conspicuous absence of PGMA at the EDSA People Power Monument main event, plus a shooting incident at Army Headquarters, where a soldier-amok killed two officers and a fellow-enlisted men.

But, on the same day, murderous violence amounting to a national emergency took place in Bangladesh with the killing of 63 (bodycount) and 72 more missing -- most fatalities being Army officers including Army MGen. Shakil Ahmed, Director-General of the Bangladesh Rifles (BDR) -- the border security paramilitary organization -- and dependents, notably Ahmed's wife.

The bloodshed continued for several hours until order was restored with Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina's timely intervention and the deployment of larger Army units.

Bangladesh
According to Bangladesh's biggest English daily, The Daily Star (28 February): "The mutiny of the BDR was spearheaded by a small group of militiamen who forced others to participate in the savagery, according to survivors. They said the leader group, all of them based in BDR Headquarters, started the killings. The rebels locked officers inside Darbar Hall (the main building) at gunpoint, while others rushed the officers' quarters and the arms depot."

The same Bangladesh daily described the massacre scene: "It looks like a war zone with hundreds of thousands of cartridges, several hundred pairs of boots and as many caps littering BDR Headquarters. The bloodstained floors remind anyone of houses of death."

Metro Manila
In Fort Bonifacio, a shooting incident of much lesser, but still tragic, consequence took place.

Reported the Manila Bulletin (27 February): "A distraught sergeant who failed to go home to Iloilo following his father's death, shot dead his three superiors and seriously wounded another inside barracks last 25 February. The suspect, Sgt. Elias Tial, fled after the shooting. The fatalities were identified as Capt. Dionilo Aragon, Jr., 1Lt Geraldo Fuentes, and M/Sgt. Eliseo dela Cruz. Wounded was Capt. Benito Ramos, Jr., the company commander."

The killer and victims belonged to the Army's Special Operations Command (SOCO), based in Fort Magsaysay. Subsequent investigation uncovered that before firing, Tial was heard to shout: "Hindi kayo marunong magpauwi ng sundalong may problema" (You don't know how to give passes to soldiers with problems). He had earlier asked for leave to attend his father's funeral.

Bangladesh aftermath
"Army Reins In Anger, Problem Solved Politically by Prime Minister" headlined The Daily Star (01 March).

Said BGen. Mahmud Hossain at a briefing: "We are in profound grief, but being members of a disciplined force, we have to control our emotions. If exemplary punishment is meted out to those who instigated the massacre, that will help pacify our angry officers and soldiers. The crisis was solved politically following the Prime Minister's directives.... We demand a speedy trial."

The police filed murder charges against 1,000 BDR militiamen believed to have been in the premises during the shooting. Meantime, Bangladesh authorities consolidated their control over the messy situation, even as the search continues for those still missing.

Morale: the basic issue
In both happenings, the root cause involved the most basic of a soldier's concerns -- MORALE, which encompasses many factors. In the Bangladesh BDR, initial issues were about low pay, inequity compared to Regular Army privileges, and clamor for inclusion in UN peace-keeping forces that Bangladesh deploys worldwide. The militiamen's anxieties about their poverty gave rise to deeper resentments about alleged corruption and injustice.

As for the Philippines, I wrote in my Bulletin column of 5 March 2006, titled "More Coup Plots, Conspiracies, Threats, etc. To Follow?": "Our people want change -- and quickly -- but it must be quality change done peacefully, without disruption of their daily lives and with foreseeable hope for solution of long-standing problems of poverty, corruption, injustice and inequity."

The Sunday night (26 February) confrontation among Marines in Fort Bonifacio was a powerful wake-up call. Just one burst of gunfire from a nervous Marine would have caused bloody shootouts -- considering that five different AFP/PNP units were in the immediate vicinity. Thankfully, cooler heads prevailed, and a bloodbath was averted. That's how close to violence we were following the main 2006 EDSA Commemoration from which President Arroyo had again absented herself.

Vital lesson
Whether in the Philippines, Bangladesh or elsewhere, let us treat our military, police and paramilitary personnel well and equitably. They do not have to be coddled. Neither should they be involved in tugs-of-war among power-brokers maneuvering for political ascendancy. What uniformed public servants expect is a level playing field of opportunity to enable them and their families to rise above the poverty into which they were born.

Morale is the key. Today, Filipino morale is way down. So are PGMA's trust-ratings. Need we say more?

Please send any comments to fvr@rpdev.org. Copies of articles are available at www.rpdev


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[mukto-mona] FIDEL V. RAMOS - On recent Killings in the Philippines & Bangladesh

Killings in the Philippines and Bangladesh
by FIDEL V. RAMOS
03/12/2009 1:46 AM
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/print/45484

Fidel Valdez Ramos (born March 18, 1928) was the 12th President of the Philippines

What happened on 25 February in Bangladesh and here? Killings within military units. So, are there lessons to be learned by both countries? What's the connection anyway?

To the complacent or uncaring, there probably are no significant connections, no lasting lessons. After all, Bangladesh is two time zones away, well beyond ASEAN and APEC clusters where the Philippines is active.

Bangladesh is a densely populated South Asian country of 153 million in a 144,000 sq. km. area or less than half the Philippines, with a population of 90 million.
The U.N. 2008 Human Development Index reveals:

HDI Rank Life Expectancy at Birth (years) GDP per Capita Population Growth Rater (2005-2010) Fertility Rate
Philippines 90 71.0 PPP US$ 5,137 1.9 3.2
Bangladesh 140 63.1 PPP US$ 2,053 1.7 2.8
Sierra Leone 177 41.8 PPP US$ 806 2.0 6.4

Note: Sierra Leone is the least developed among nations rated.

In HDI, countries like Samoa (77) and Peru (87) surpassed the Philippines, while Bangladesh is below Laos (130) and Myanmar (132). Although Filipinos have higher Parity Purchasing Power per capita, Bangladesh has lower population growth and fertility rates.

25 February
The highlight of this year's People Power Revolution Anniversary was scheduled on 25 February. Not much happened on that day in the Philippines, except for the conspicuous absence of PGMA at the EDSA People Power Monument main event, plus a shooting incident at Army Headquarters, where a soldier-amok killed two officers and a fellow-enlisted men.

But, on the same day, murderous violence amounting to a national emergency took place in Bangladesh with the killing of 63 (bodycount) and 72 more missing -- most fatalities being Army officers including Army MGen. Shakil Ahmed, Director-General of the Bangladesh Rifles (BDR) -- the border security paramilitary organization -- and dependents, notably Ahmed's wife.

The bloodshed continued for several hours until order was restored with Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina's timely intervention and the deployment of larger Army units.

Bangladesh
According to Bangladesh's biggest English daily, The Daily Star (28 February): "The mutiny of the BDR was spearheaded by a small group of militiamen who forced others to participate in the savagery, according to survivors. They said the leader group, all of them based in BDR Headquarters, started the killings. The rebels locked officers inside Darbar Hall (the main building) at gunpoint, while others rushed the officers' quarters and the arms depot."

The same Bangladesh daily described the massacre scene: "It looks like a war zone with hundreds of thousands of cartridges, several hundred pairs of boots and as many caps littering BDR Headquarters. The bloodstained floors remind anyone of houses of death."

Metro Manila
In Fort Bonifacio, a shooting incident of much lesser, but still tragic, consequence took place.

Reported the Manila Bulletin (27 February): "A distraught sergeant who failed to go home to Iloilo following his father's death, shot dead his three superiors and seriously wounded another inside barracks last 25 February. The suspect, Sgt. Elias Tial, fled after the shooting. The fatalities were identified as Capt. Dionilo Aragon, Jr., 1Lt Geraldo Fuentes, and M/Sgt. Eliseo dela Cruz. Wounded was Capt. Benito Ramos, Jr., the company commander."

The killer and victims belonged to the Army's Special Operations Command (SOCO), based in Fort Magsaysay. Subsequent investigation uncovered that before firing, Tial was heard to shout: "Hindi kayo marunong magpauwi ng sundalong may problema" (You don't know how to give passes to soldiers with problems). He had earlier asked for leave to attend his father's funeral.

Bangladesh aftermath
"Army Reins In Anger, Problem Solved Politically by Prime Minister" headlined The Daily Star (01 March).

Said BGen. Mahmud Hossain at a briefing: "We are in profound grief, but being members of a disciplined force, we have to control our emotions. If exemplary punishment is meted out to those who instigated the massacre, that will help pacify our angry officers and soldiers. The crisis was solved politically following the Prime Minister's directives.... We demand a speedy trial."

The police filed murder charges against 1,000 BDR militiamen believed to have been in the premises during the shooting. Meantime, Bangladesh authorities consolidated their control over the messy situation, even as the search continues for those still missing.

Morale: the basic issue
In both happenings, the root cause involved the most basic of a soldier's concerns -- MORALE, which encompasses many factors. In the Bangladesh BDR, initial issues were about low pay, inequity compared to Regular Army privileges, and clamor for inclusion in UN peace-keeping forces that Bangladesh deploys worldwide. The militiamen's anxieties about their poverty gave rise to deeper resentments about alleged corruption and injustice.

As for the Philippines, I wrote in my Bulletin column of 5 March 2006, titled "More Coup Plots, Conspiracies, Threats, etc. To Follow?": "Our people want change -- and quickly -- but it must be quality change done peacefully, without disruption of their daily lives and with foreseeable hope for solution of long-standing problems of poverty, corruption, injustice and inequity."

The Sunday night (26 February) confrontation among Marines in Fort Bonifacio was a powerful wake-up call. Just one burst of gunfire from a nervous Marine would have caused bloody shootouts -- considering that five different AFP/PNP units were in the immediate vicinity. Thankfully, cooler heads prevailed, and a bloodbath was averted. That's how close to violence we were following the main 2006 EDSA Commemoration from which President Arroyo had again absented herself.

Vital lesson
Whether in the Philippines, Bangladesh or elsewhere, let us treat our military, police and paramilitary personnel well and equitably. They do not have to be coddled. Neither should they be involved in tugs-of-war among power-brokers maneuvering for political ascendancy. What uniformed public servants expect is a level playing field of opportunity to enable them and their families to rise above the poverty into which they were born.

Morale is the key. Today, Filipino morale is way down. So are PGMA's trust-ratings. Need we say more?

Please send any comments to fvr@rpdev.org. Copies of articles are available at www.rpdev


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[ALOCHONA] A fearful possibility.

Charles Krauthammer is a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist with The Washington Post news paper. In a recent article he has raised some serious question about the stem cell research programme which has recently been approved by President Obama over turning a ban imposed by the former US president George Bush. Charles wrote, 'Given the protean power of embryonic manipulation and the human propensity for evil even in the pursuit of good, lines must be drawn'. The question of morality in this programme is definitely there but can we stop the forward march of science? But from this basic moralistic standpoint can we definitely ask science to abide by any boundary? Chares opines, he does not believe that personhood is conferred upon conception. But he also does not believe that a human embryo is the moral equivalent of a hangnail and deserves no more respect than an appendix.  The tendency and interest of science is always to unmask the less understood and science does not care about any moral drawing. The supreme mystery still is to find out if the creation of a human being is anything divine where no question can be asked and if an animal can be cloned why not a human being? This fearful possibility of a human being created without any biological conception is always attached to the stem cell research. Science has everything to say about what is possible. Science will never say what is permissible.

 

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[ALOCHONA] Re: [Dahuk]: Bangladesh-India border is the paradise for smugglers

That is reward given to the friends n mentors ................      who cares for the countr??????????????????????????????????
It's  me,my children, my sister, my cousins, my devout follower goons and the paa chata kutta jibis

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Delwar Mazumder <delwar98@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear Deshpremiks,
 
Bangladesh-India border is the paradise for smugglers. Please go to the following website and read it. Is it not India wants? was it not one of the main reason for BDR massacre?
 
http://www.dailyinqilab.com/
 
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From: enayet_2000@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:04:15 -0700
Subject: [khabor.com] Is blocking & Banning YouTube sheikh Hasina's Digital Bangladesh?

So much for election promise - Digital Bangladesh?

Part -1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpmr4gKFHww&feature=related
Part - 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWI3Ybe2hfs&feature=related

Is blocking & Banning YouTube sheikh Hasina's Digital Bangladesh? -Part-5-6






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[mukto-mona] Re: I write with Pain.. sorrow and disbelief (but not anger).. (on BDR Killing)

Dear Mr. Zahid Khan:
With all due respect, I don't know how Mr Abul hade made a fool out of himself but I certainly am dumbfounded seeing some of your responses.

As for Mr. Abul's remark about Army's corruption, I tend to agree with his observation based on analyzing the past actions of Army in the last few decades. Since you have been in defence for the last 25 years, I am sure you remember Gen Ershad's regime during the 80s. In comparison with the democratically elected Civilian Govt (e.g Khaleda Admin for 10 yrs and AL 5 yrs), Ershad and his croonies were less corrupt but they were no angels either. They were involved in the fair share of corruption even though they were paid handsomely and were given all the wonderful amenities given by the Govt.

Given you have knowledge in the military operations (academic indeed as I don't recall BD Army or Airforce ever involving herself in any war other than killing their own kinda and the Father of the NATION!!), may I ask you to enlighten us about why military intelligence failed to unearth such a huge plot and why would it be unfair to blame the Army/BDR intelligence for such an intelligence failure. I beleive as BDR Jawans are led by Army officers and as such the leaders should own up the responsibilities for the break in the chain of command! How could they not read the pulse of the "Sipahis"? Even if someone instigates the Jawans, I still feel that it is the leaders job to find out the reason for the instigation and identify the people responsible for that.

I understand that you are reluctant to rule out involvement of ISI, RAW, LET and other outside agencies, but I would ask you to shed some light about how (like many others) are so tempted to putt he blame on them instead of waiting out on on the investigation report? Would appreciate if you can share any "Rational" and "Objective" information about the involvement of foreign agencies you may be privy to being in the defence force. One alst question, how are you jumping into the conclusion regarding the aircraft's accident due to bad weather? Has the black box been recovered?

I would also repat the same as Mr. Abul did --if I inadvertently hurt your feelings (even after making myself a fool), do accept my apologies.

Regards.


--- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, Zahid Khan wrote:
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> Dear Moderator,
> I am sending this post for the second time. Hope you will find enough reasons to post it in the group that is yet to be tainted as one sided. Regards.
>
> Zahid Khan
> Dhaka
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>
>
> I write this post with pain.. sorrow and disbelief (but not anger). It pains me seeing that except for a very few posts (by the admin and the moderators of this group) most of the other posts, analysis and comments by the esteemed forum members were full of lies, misinformation and colored.
>
> The early-birds like Mr Shameem (from USA) or Mr Zia (of IITM), Mr Monsur Ibrahim had their first (word) shot on the killing at BDR even when the full extent of the event was yet to unfold. They were corrected and apparently one of them has change his position. Mr Monsur went as far as questioning whether the event was "teaching a lesson to the Army?" . Then there is Mr Munshi who comes with the theory of Indian connection. No matter how plausible (or obsolete) his theory is, he never mentions the possibility of Paki connection. We also have the post from the `23 concerned citizens' . Noticing that most of these `citizens' are teachers of University also raises the question what have DU done after the incident? Did they bring out any rally demanding justice? What did the VC do when the killers were chanting slogans that they want DU students by their side? Being a student of the same university I felt ashamed as my teachers are yet to protest the killing where we have
> (in the past) regularly brought out processions for events like "Bhobodaho" or for any other remote cause of the country. What will our teachers say to the kids of these officers - many of whom are DU students?
>
> In sum, most of the analyses were colored – either with blue or white, AL or BNP, Paki or Indian sympathizers. That is why it pains me! It pains me more than loosing my brother, my classmate and long time friends in the incident. Probably, I have seen this event from a much more close quarter than anyone who has written those posts (from their comfort in USA, Canada or DU) and yet I find them way out of line on this grave national issue.
>
> Why can't we simply raise above all our narrow outlooks? Why can't we stop taking sides (AL, BNP, Paki or India) and tell that this was against the nation and the country as a whole? Why can't we stop speculating and demand justice irrespective of party affiliations like the PM? Why can't we leave it to the investigators to come up with the facts and pressurize to make the report public?
>
> Is any of these esteemed members compelled by any corner to take a side? Do they owe something to RAW, ISI, AL or BNP that they have to take their side?
>
> Why can't we just simply rise above our narrow (political or otherwise) differences and put the nation first to survive this trauma and heal this wound together?
>
> Regards
> Zahid Khan
>
> N.B. Mr Monsoor, Once gain (like your previous write up " BDR Mutiny - Teaching Army a Lesson") your analysis titled "Recent Politics and Future of Sk. Hasina" also contains some serious mistakes and wrong facts and of course not to mention arguments. Since you are avoiding replying my response, I will let you continue your efforts of misinforming this forum at your own peril.
>
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> News No. 11/2009/ One Jumma girl child raped in Dighinala From: mithun chakma
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> Re: An open letter to Mr. MBI Munshi. Posted by: "M.B.I. Munshi" M.B.I. Munshi mimunshi Mon Mar 9, 2009 4:02 pm (PDT) Dear Mr. Saki,
>
> The reason for my suspicion of Indian intent can be found in my book The India Doctrine (1947-2007) the contents of which have never been successfully disputed in the three years of its publication. The dominating and hegemonic designs of India are clearly spelled out there with thousands of supporting notes and references mainly of Indian sources but also from many other parts of the world.
>
> My objection to Dr. Debapriyo Battacharya was my assessment that he would not adequately serve the interests of Bangladesh. His return from his assignment to support the AL in the elections was proof of his unreliability. He pretends to be neutral but he is in fact two-faced. I was absolutely right about the rice issue with India and their subsequent deceit and ill-motive was obvious to all when they failed to deliver fully even after 7 months and the price they were charging was double the international rates. It is still doubtful whether they have completed delivery. Similarly on the water issue I was again right with India now resuming work on the Tipumaikh Dam that will cause desertification in Sylhet District.
>
> It was the Indians who first started to distract the world on the BDR mutiny when they published misleading information on the 26th of February which was the second day of the revolt blaming Jamaat, ISI and SQC. I was merely setting the record straight with information and evidence that showed RAW's hand in the atrocity.
>
> The nation of India is a farce based on inequality, poverty, discrimination and intolerance. It carries on an undercover war with all its neighbours through its external intelligence agency RAW. It is actually the Indians who are cowardly because they do their evil activities indirectly through propaganda or subversion.
>
> If you want proof about India it is in my book The India Doctrine (1947-2007).
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> Aitomobile-crazy CPM biggies Posted by: "Sankar Ray" Sankar Ray Mon Mar 9, 2009 4:03 pm (PDT) West Bengal chief minister Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee & Commerce & Industry minister Nirupam Sen, both CPI(M) polit bureau member, boasted of a line-up of automobile projects by big business (includng MNCs). On 4 March last ,some newspapers carried a news that no 2 in the CPI(M) PB Sitaram Yechury wrote to the stopgap Union finance minister Pranab Mukherjee as head of a parliamentary panel, to grant Rs 38000 crore loan to Tata Motors, Ashok Leyland (Indian arm of British MNC) and Eichers.
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> They are not concerned of silent genocide that has already affected major metros, the most menacing being in Kolkata.
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> Statesnab.s Sunday Mag -8th Day- carried a piece on this which is pasted below.
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> Environment: `Phasing out the old is a must' 8 Mar 08 (http://thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=30&theme=&usrsess=1&id=246266)
> A recent World Bank survey shows that the contribution to pollution by diesel fuel combustion can be as high as 23 per cent in Delhi, 25 per cent in Mumbai and an astounding 61 per cent in Kolkata. Promila Roychowdhury reports (Sunday Magazine)
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> EVERY morning that you leave home for work you're hit in the face by a cloud of acrid diesel smoke at a major crossing. This is the usual occurence in Kolkata and you think nothing about it, however unpleasant the experience might be. What you don't realise is that this is hazardous to your health.
> Today Kolkata has a vehicular contingent of nearly 65 per cent and nearly 99 per cent of its commercial vehicles are diesel-run. So what is diesel and what does it have to do with us? The answer is simple. Diesel engine exhaust contains a number of potent carcinogens — particulate matter (mainly elemental and organic carbon soot) coated in gaseous organic substances such as formaldehyde and Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons (a group of super-toxic gases) that are the primary and secondary air pollutants. Hundreds of compounds have been identified as constituents of diesel particles. What's more, diesel exhaust contains several gaseous compounds that include carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides (which again form ground level ozone), sulphur dioxide and organic vapours, for example, formaldehyde and 1,3-butadiene which have been classified as toxic and hazardous pollutants. These pollutants are also emitted by petrol-driven vehicles.
> A single diesel car emits as much NOx into the environmentas three to five petrol-powered ones. A recent survey by the World Bank on air pollution in South Asia shows that, depending on the seasons, the contribution of diesel fuel combustion to ambient PM2.5 can be as high as 23 per cent in Delhi, 25 per cent in Mumbai and an astounding 61 per cent in Kolkata.
> Studies show that ultra-fine airborne particles that are less than 0.1 microns in diameter (PM0.1) are 10 to 50 times as potent as PM2.5-PM10 in inducing oxidant damage. These are also able to carry more toxic hydrocarbons, metals and other toxins, per unit mass, than larger particles. The annual average level of repairable suspended particulate matter exceeded the national standard by 1.4 times and carcinogenic benzene levels in Kolkata during the winter were found to be as high as 36ug/cum. These pollutants are largely emitted from two-stroke vehicles with incomplete combustion and without the use of a catalytic converter and also from the fleet of old diesel-run vehicles on the city's roads.
> The health hazards caused by these pollutants may range from subtle biochemical and physiological changes to difficulty in breathing, wheezing, coughing and exacerbation of asthma and bronchitis or to slowing the rate of children's lung development. In addition, an interaction with allergens helps to heighten allergic symptoms, increase allergic antibody production and augment allergic sensitisation.
> Diesel Exhaust Particles are microscopic. More than 90 per cent of these are less than a micron in diameter. Due to their minute size, these particles can penetrate deep into the lungs and can have profound pro-inflammatory and pro-allergenic effects in humans and animals.
> The health of our lungs and respiratory system is dependent on the quality of air we breathe. Exposure to chemicals can affect us badly. The respiratory system is particularly sensitive to air pollutants because much of it is made up of exposed membrane. Our lungs are anatomically structured to inhale large quantities of air, on an average 400 million litres in a lifetime, and are in intimate contact with the blood system to facilitate the delivery of oxygen to the other organs.
> The main route for air pollutants is through the nose, mouth and throat. Airborne particles larger than PM2.5 are removed in the upper and middle airways. These particles are trapped in a mucus layer that lines the nose, trachea and bronchi and are carried up to the back of the throat on a moving carpet of mucus, which is propelled by cilia pulsing a thousand times a minute, to be finally swallowed. The upper and middle air pathway is very efficient in removing harmful pollutants. Concentrations of chemicals build up in the nose as the air is cleaned. But extensive exposure can cause the accumulated pollutants to be absorbed in mucus membranes.
> Particulate matters come in different sizes and the ultra fine one — less than 2.5 microns — can interfere with the respiratory system. The ultra-fine particles reach the alveoli. There, the lungs employ a different kind of cleaning agent: macrophages, large white blood cells that eat foreign invaders such as bacteria and viruses by engulfing them, encasing them in an intracellular stomach, and then injecting bleach-like chemicals into the container. The invader dies, degrades and is reabsorbed by the body along with the macrophage itself.
> But these PMs are not easy to remove. Lung tissue cells can be injured directly by air pollutants such as ozone, metals and free radicals. Ozone can damage the alveoli and the air sacs in the lung where oxygen and carbon dioxide are exchanged.
> The cell damage caused by exposure to chemical pollutants puts the body's defence system on the alert and initiates an inflammatory response, similar to an allergic response. This can cause immune suppression, making the body more susceptible to disease. It can also trigger a secondary immune response by causing the release of various chemicals. In response to toxic insult, lung cells also release a variety of potent chemical mediators that may critically affect the function of other organs such as those of the cardiovascular system. This response may also cause lung inflammation and impair lung functions.
> Air pollutants like benzene, lead, mercury, carbon monoxide, volatile nitrites, pesticides and herbicides have been found to have harmful effects on the blood as well as the system that is involved in the formation of blood, including blood cells, bone marrow, spleen, lymph nodes and the network of cells that clear foreign particles and infectious micro-organisms. Some air pollutants interfere with the function of blood, which results in detrimental effects on all organs. For example, haemoglobin is part of the red blood cell that carries oxygen from the lungs to the tissues. Carbon monoxide, a product of incomplete combustion, binds over 200 times more firmly to haemoglobin than oxygen, resulting in interference with blood's oxygen-transport capability. Acute exposure can result in death due to asphyxiation or permanent damage to the central nervous system.
> And not just this, severe inflammation can cause scarring of lung tissue, called fibrosis, and abnormal thickening, making breathing more difficult. Ground-level ozone has been shown to contribute to hyper-responsiveness to allergens and mucus production that exacerbates asthma in children and adults.
> Inhalation of particulate matter that is 2.5 microns in diameter and smaller than PM2.5 doesn't appear to harm the larger passages of the lungs, but does injure the deeper, smaller thin-walled bronchioles where the body begins to extract oxygen from air. The tiny airborne particles can lodge permanently in the lungs and cause free radical damage that leads to inflammation of the tissue lining the lungs. More specifically, airway tissues which are rich in bio-activation enzymes can transform organic pollutants into reactive metabolites and cause secondary problems. Finally, the very unhealthy combination of oxidants damages cells, making them more vulnerable to cancer from exposure to these carcinogens.
> Recent studies show that 43 per cent of urban children and 14 per cent of rural children suffer from reparatory disorders. The worst part is that 94-98 per cent are found to produce sputum. The alveolar macrophage count of adults is more than eight times higher and air pollution-related allergies seven times higher than people in the Sunderbans.
> Pollution increases because most vehicles are old and run on bad technology. The use of adulterated fuel and diesel is, of course, the main reason. Although the good news is that there is technology to clean emissions from these engines, the bad news is that clean diesel technology and fuel to help reduce these emissions by 90 per cent are presently not available in India.
> So what can be done to improve the environment? Sunita Narain, an environmentalist who recently visited Kolkata, said, "Phasing out two-stroke three-wheelers and transforming auto-rickshaws to run on LPG-driven four-stoke engines is essential. Phasing out old private cars, taxis and commercial vehicles as well as CNG- and LPG-run vehicles should be accorded top priority.
> "This apart, Kolkata is privileged to have a multi-model public transport system — Metro rail, suburban railway, extensive tram tracks and bus service."
> A recent study carried out under the aegis of the Union ministry of urban development says that even today public transport meets as much as 54 per cent of the travel needs in Kolkata — the highest in the country. "Unfortunately, the city continues to neglect its strengths. Which is evident from its failure to increase the scope of its public transportion system. Proper integration and expansion can save the city from pollution and congestion," said Narain.
> Which leaves the state government with the responsibility of taking radical steps. This exercise has to go beyond academic nitpicking and political platitudes if it is to assume any semblance of urgency.
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> Yechury again Posted by: "Sankar Ray" Sankar Ray Mon Mar 9, 2009 4:04 pm (PDT) Interview in Business Standard
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> 'The UPA govt smuggled FDI into country'
> New Delhi 8 Mar 09 (http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/the-upa-govt-smuggled-fdi-into-country/351184/)
> Bank nationalisation happened because of the Left, CPI(M) Politburo member Sitaram Yechury tells Saubhadro Chatterji
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> What are the issues that will dominate the Lok Sabha elections?
> India's economic condition. Even otherwise, it would have been a big issue. But the global recession has intensified beyond expectation and in India this has become a bread-and-butter issue.
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> Kerala and West Bengal governments have come out with their own stimulus packages while presenting the state budgets. What is the Left message through these moves?
> Our basic message is: The only way to fight recession is by forcing the state to invest in infrastructure in a big way. There should be a big leap in investments by the state. Some measures have been taken but these are inadequate. The UPA government's measures amount to around Rs 40,000 crore, which is less than 1 per cent of the nation's GDP. It is peanuts. In Kerala and Bengal, what we have earmarked as stimulus expenditure turns out to be more than 5 per cent of these states' respective GDPs. So, we have increased it five times — this will be our message. Bailout packages for corporate houses may be important to some extent but you need a judicious mix of fiscal and monetary policy. The emphasis should be on public spending, creating jobs, increasing the people's purchasing power, and thereby increasing domestic demand.
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> Government managers say that while many developed countries will record a decline in output, India retains a seven per cent growth rate.
> Well, I think this seven per cent rate will also decline. Even if the country manages 5.5 per cent growth, that will be fine. But how have we been able to do this? For this, the devil must be given its due. The Left prevented at least four initiatives which, we think, were very important in protecting our country from complete devastation. One, we blocked the capital convertibility of the rupee that they wanted. Second, permission to foreign banks to raise their equity in Indian private banks and to have directors in proportion to that equity. If that had happened, with the foreign banks collapsing, many of our Indians banks would have gone down the same road. Third, preventing privatisation of pension funds. And lastly, ensuring that FDI caps in insurance were not raised. These steps provided strength to the economy.
> They (the Congress) claim that the credit for nationalising banks should go to Indira Gandhi. But remember, bank and coal mine nationalisation and the abolition of privy purses happened in 1969. All these measures were the Left parties' condition to support (Indira) Gandhi and her presidential candidate, VV Giri, against Sanjeeva Reddy. When the Indicate-Syndicate battle was going on in the Congress and she was in a minority, she required the support of the Left to remain in government. That's when these things happened. So if bank nationalisation happened, it happened because of the Left.
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> You have been the main interface between the Congress and the Left in the past five years. What has been your experience of handling the Congress? And if, after the elections, there is again a need for a coalition, what precautions you will take?
> As far as the second part of your question is concerned, the election schedule has been announced and we have entered the political battlefield. My objective is to win the battle to achieve a non-Congress, non-communal alternative. So, let's not get into what will happen after the battle.
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> About the other part, yes, we worked with the Congress on the basis of a common minimum programme (CMP). But all through this period, there was an undercurrent of a neo-liberal agenda which the Congress wanted to pursue. When we put our foot down on some issues, they tried to have them done through the back door — FDI in retail, for instance. Once you allow FDI (in retail), millions of people will lose their jobs. And we said that no FDI can come to India that will reduce jobs. But the government tried to bring it via the back door. First, they said, it was for wholesale, then for single-brand products, then for sports products. In this way they smuggled in FDI.
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> Two years ago, you were trying to set up a third alternative on an ideological platform. Then, before the elections, you tried for an electoral arrangement to cobble together some kind of a third force. But even that didn't happen beyond a few states in the South. So, the third alternative effort falls flat on its face again.
> On the face of it, you may be right. But remember, in India, after every decade, you have a third alternative government. And all these alternatives have been forged after elections, including the UPA. This means the urge to look for an alternative government has not vanished in our polity.
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> Last week, you lost an Assembly byelection in West Bengal by over 30,000 votes. Do you think the upcoming Lok Sabha elections will be a referendum on the performance of your state government, especially on the land issue, in West Bengal?
> The general elections will not be a referendum on the state government. People have developed this maturity. Due to Nandigram and Singur, our outlook towards land and development figures is on the radar of the people. I think people of West Bengal are fast realising that the advantages of land reforms are eroding and without industrialisation there is no future.
> As far as the Bishnupur seat is concerned, it has always been with the opposition. Last time was the first time when the Left won it, that too by a slender margin. You should not view Bishnupur as a signal for the future. Remember, one barometer of what Kolkata thinks is the students' union election in Presidency College. For the first time, after many years, the Student's Federation of India (the CPI(M)'s student wing) has won.
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> How will you overcome the problems of infighting in Kerala?
> Yes, there are some differences we are trying to resolve. But please remember one thing, whatever may be the differences within the party, when there is a political challenge, the party gets united. Factionalism will not have an impact on the results of Kerala. Differences in the party in Kerala are not entirely unhealthy. Having differences is a sign of life. It is very clear that this is not a high command party. People can express their views here.
> Somnath Chatterjee has announced his retirement from politics. Do you see any chance of his returning to the party?
> It depends entirely on him. All that I can say is, I wish this situation, where he had to leave the party, had not arisen.
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> He says, till July 20, the only instruction he got from the party was that it was up to him to quit the Speaker's post.
> Well, interlocutors will be able to answer this better. But the party had decided that it would be untenable for him to continue after the party withdrew support to the government. The party expected him to follow this decision.
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[mukto-mona] Re: Army officers are forcefully sending in the retirement

Could it be that some of these officers failed in their duty to protect their fellow Soldiers and Govt/Army mgt is taking appropriate actiob against them? Army must be taken into task for the poor leadership and inability to get any prior warning about the plot of their subordinates. Since Army is taking all the credits (because they led!!) for the BDR triumphs against BSF, they must be accountable for the mutiny as well. Moreover, as leaders lead by example, I beleive BDR jawans learn a thing or two from these leaders' prior acts.

As lot of my fellow "Deshpremiks (or Paki Premiks!)" suffer from Amnesia and conveniently forgets Army and Zia's killing spree in the 70s -- thus forgetting, forgiving and encouraging Mutinies in the name of "Sipahi Biplab"(Nov 7th, 1975). Gen Moeen and current Govt must bring all the violators of this professional forces into discipline and should take appropriate action against the failure of military intelligence. Instead of finger pointing and putting the blame on others, let the investigators focus on the failure of the intelligence and determine the cause of this mutiny.

Also, please stop saying that we Bengalis are not capable of doing such heinous acts and it must be the foreigners who did this! Yes, the killers of Sheikh Mujib, his entire family, 7 yr old Sheikh Russel and numerous others were all Bengalis and they all happened to be from the so called "Bravest son of the soil" unit known as Bangladesh Army. Need I say more about the Armies glorious past? I guess It will be redundant to repeat the rest! We all know and remember the past, some just try to suppress it by force and the rest of us bleed everyday thinking about the past!


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Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Mr. Cyrus and Ms. Farida

Mr. Firoz Alam:
 
Your posting proves that you are as uncivilized, incoherent, and challenged as I had previously thought. Those who have nothing intelligent to say always resort to vulgarity. As you say in your own posting, "Name Calling is a technique to want us [to] form a judgment to reject and condemn, without examining the evidence". You simply don't have the intelligence to examine the evidence, argue coherently, and most importantly have no intention of keeping this conversation civil. I will not stoop to your level and bring your mother or the legitimacy of your birth into our argument. I think...no, I am sure, you are a legitimate child and your mother has done nothing wrong to me. Let's keep this between us, shall we? If you cannot keep an argument civil, then you should find someone to argue with who is at your level.
 
If you want to swear at me and bring my mother into this discussion, at least show that you understand the phrase "bend over backwards". It means, "to flex yourself to accommodate someone else". It's not a bad phrase. I am under the impression that you are writing from North America. You should ask your friends and colleagues what that phrase means. It is used to describe someone who always goes out of one's way to do what is told. Secondly, the word is "bastard", not "Bustard".. A Bustard is a bird, and I am sure you weren't using the word in that sense. Thirdly, I am surprised that Alochona let such vulgar language to be posted. But I can respect your freedom of speech, no matter how objectionable it may be.
 
Just when, exactly, I portray India in glittering light? Is that a fact or do you just accuse people of things that they haven't done? I think you missed the sentence in my last email where I said that it is Bangladesh's interest to normalize relationship with both India and Pakistan. From your meaningless and angry ramblings, I can tell that you cannot keep India and Pakistan in your "conscious" or "political thoughts". Those topics are too broad for your small mind. That's why you ask to "examine evidence". What evidence, if I may ask, do I need to examine, since examining trade policies and international affairs is what I do for a living? Politics and ideologues like yourself have taken over common sense economics.
 
You say that it is in India's interest to see a weakened Bangladesh? Can you explain why? Would you please explain to all of us, on what basis do you think it is not in Pakistan's interest to destabilize Bangladesh (as well as Nagaland, Assam, West Bengal, and Tripura) and engage India in all fronts? Do you have any rationale analysis for your assertion? Since you have a different opinion, and think that I am an India supporter, please educate all of us on the basis of your statements.
 
If you understand my postings at all, I don't care about political nonsense and want only economic prosperity for my country. That's why I asked people like you, as well as ardent supporters of India to keep their respective camps aside, and focus on the development of Bangladesh. But I guess that message went right above your head.
 
Mr. Alam, I don't know about the people you associate with, but I don't apologize if I am not sincere about it. I absolutely don't care if you accept my apology or not, but I am self-actualized enough to know if I stepped over the line. My apology was directed to everyone, and not you alone. So, don't flatter yourself thinking that I am apologizing to an uncivil person like you.
 
What pig metaphor or rat metaphor are you talking about? Are you emotionally stable? You are so incoherent at this point that I am having a tough time figuring out your point. You think that I was responsible for the massacre of our army officials and that I am genocidal? I chuckled when I read that part. Mr. Alam, you are like a proverbial butterfly. You have gone from idiotic to lunatic to simply laughable in the past few days, and I find your metamorphosis really amusing. (you should look up the word "metamorphosis" before you think that I cursed at you)
 
Lastly, I am always up for discussing about Bangladesh and Bangladesh alone in this forum. Would you please do us a favor and ask your pals to stop yapping about India and Pakistan in this forum? Most of us don't care much about them. We have enough problems of our own.
 
You think people like me and Ms.. Majid should be stopped at all costs because you disagree with us? Haven't you and your reactionary friends have muffled our voices for far too long to appease your friends and mentors in India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for the last 39 years? I am not fighting you. I am fighting stupidity and misinformation. Why don't you step up to the plate and act intelligently for once? You think that "The concept of freedom and for those who seek freedom through peaceful means, they will always have my moral support"? You assume that "morality" is a static concept, as well as the "concept of freedom". Neither is true, and your naive assumptions are wrong. Perhaps you should read a little more about freedom and liberty, before wanting to "stop" Ms. Majid and I at all costs, don't you think?
 
Cyrus
 
P.S. Since you don't know "more" about Moududi and his perverted philosophies, I suggest you get going on that. You just might see why I called Munshi a "Moududi wanna-be".
 
P.S. I am not commenting on your statements about science and what scientists do. I don't want to waste my Saturday morning teaching science to the mentally challenged.


From: Firoz Alam <afirozny@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:39:49 PM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Mr. Cyrus and Ms. Farida

Dear Members -
 
Cyrus-the-Hitler wrote "do you just bend over backwards to accept everything?"
 
Of course, Cyrus-the-Hitler is more accustomed to thinking of his political opponents and intellectual opponents or perhaps his "neighbors[I feel and ought to be made known 
whether he/Farida are Bangladeshi or stooges of India]" than himself in depersonalizing and decivilizing terms and his favorite vehicles of sickness include terms such as "rat", "hound", "gang", "bend over backwards" etc etc. and I m so surprised that forum like Alochona allows such behavior from a member. Perhaps, for a good reason, you moderators have allowed such maddening behavior and let me reciprocate in similar fashion and let me ask this bustard, did India's or Pakistan's military bend her mom over backward or had threesome experiences that still traumatize him? or did India's or
Pakistan's military sodomized him during 1971 that can't let go off of his mind? Bustard!
 
As you can see, I don't choose between India or Pakistan as my capital nor do I maintain day in and day out such things in my conscious or in my political thoughts. India's or Pakistan's ghost had left even before I was born. My sole devotion and purity of my soul remains attached to my motherland Bangladesh. If my deshi brethren have money to import goods whether it is from India or china or Pakistan, I m sure, they won't seek or need counsel from a wolf in disguise as who tries to portray India in glittering light to make us accept or approve his version of "India" and reject and condemn "Pakistan" without
examining the evidences.
 
I have not accepted his apology as it was not sincere nor it was directed to where it should be.. As long as he maintains sickening metaphor just as Hitler did, I will maintain my stance and call Hitler a Hitler.
 
Anyone can read Hitler's pig metaphor that led to kill six millions people, and Mr. Cyrus' rat metaphor side-by-side to determine whether Cyrus' analogy may justify in the context of Hitler's situation. And in my mind there is no "doubt" or no reason to "suspect" whatsoever that this madman Cyrus-the-Hitler- bustard-maniac would have killed as many people as Hitler if he could and had the same state power or mercenaries like Hitler did. And my suspicions grows every time I read their messages that Cyrus and his gang might have something to do with the killers of our beloved brave and brightest military leaders.
 
And In my view, it is India's interest to see Bangladesh is weaken in militarily, economically, politically and psychologically not Pakistan's as Pakistan is already in bad shape due to so called "war on terror."
 
The imagination, curiosity, hypothesis, inductions, deductions, facts, reason, research, experimental verification i.e, trails and errors that lead to scientific discoveries and also natural laws play to a great extend as well but doubts and suspicions have nothing to do with it whatsoever.
 
Something he said "we discover" - and at the word "we" you belong where and do you doubt and suspect to blush for mere pleasure? - something "scientists never do."
 
Name Calling is a technique to want us form a judgment to reject and condemn, without examining the evidence of what makes "moududi" a "moududi" and in what relation me or others such as Mr. Munshi fall in that category is a mystery cause I can know so much and wish i knew more about Moududi other than the word Moududi and these propagandists Hitler, Cyrus and Farida won't never explore facts as their basis for conclusions or wont make known their version of facts available so that they can keep throwing stuffs at wall and see if it sticks.
 
The concept of freedom and for those who seek freedom through peaceful means, they will always have my moral support at least whether in India or China or anywhere else for that matter, There are only two ways about it either you perfect your union or lose it. Very simple. Now I made known my stand on that issue that you are implicitly or explicitly tried to convey. Stop bragging about India or Pakistan in Bangladesh forums as we should be devoted our-self pertaining to our deshi issues/causes.
 
These madman Cyrus and madwoman Farida must be stopped in every sense of the word..
 
Firoz Alam




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[mukto-mona] Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Mr. Cyrus and Ms. Farida

Mr. Firoz Alam:
 
Your posting proves that you are as uncivilized, incoherent, and challenged as I had previously thought. Those who have nothing intelligent to say always resort to vulgarity. As you say in your own posting, "Name Calling is a technique to want us [to] form a judgment to reject and condemn, without examining the evidence". You simply don't have the intelligence to examine the evidence, argue coherently, and most importantly have no intention of keeping this conversation civil. I will not stoop to your level and bring your mother or the legitimacy of your birth into our argument. I think...no, I am sure, you are a legitimate child and your mother has done nothing wrong to me. Let's keep this between us, shall we? If you cannot keep an argument civil, then you should find someone to argue with who is at your level.
 
If you want to swear at me and bring my mother into this discussion, at least show that you understand the phrase "bend over backwards". It means, "to flex yourself to accommodate someone else". It's not a bad phrase. I am under the impression that you are writing from North America. You should ask your friends and colleagues what that phrase means. It is used to describe someone who always goes out of one's way to do what is told. Secondly, the word is "bastard", not "Bustard".. A Bustard is a bird, and I am sure you weren't using the word in that sense. Thirdly, I am surprised that Alochona let such vulgar language to be posted. But I can respect your freedom of speech, no matter how objectionable it may be.
 
Just when, exactly, I portray India in glittering light? Is that a fact or do you just accuse people of things that they haven't done? I think you missed the sentence in my last email where I said that it is Bangladesh's interest to normalize relationship with both India and Pakistan. From your meaningless and angry ramblings, I can tell that you cannot keep India and Pakistan in your "conscious" or "political thoughts". Those topics are too broad for your small mind. That's why you ask to "examine evidence". What evidence, if I may ask, do I need to examine, since examining trade policies and international affairs is what I do for a living? Politics and ideologues like yourself have taken over common sense economics.
 
You say that it is in India's interest to see a weakened Bangladesh? Can you explain why? Would you please explain to all of us, on what basis do you think it is not in Pakistan's interest to destabilize Bangladesh (as well as Nagaland, Assam, West Bengal, and Tripura) and engage India in all fronts? Do you have any rationale analysis for your assertion? Since you have a different opinion, and think that I am an India supporter, please educate all of us on the basis of your statements.
 
If you understand my postings at all, I don't care about political nonsense and want only economic prosperity for my country. That's why I asked people like you, as well as ardent supporters of India to keep their respective camps aside, and focus on the development of Bangladesh. But I guess that message went right above your head.
 
Mr. Alam, I don't know about the people you associate with, but I don't apologize if I am not sincere about it. I absolutely don't care if you accept my apology or not, but I am self-actualized enough to know if I stepped over the line. My apology was directed to everyone, and not you alone. So, don't flatter yourself thinking that I am apologizing to an uncivil person like you.
 
What pig metaphor or rat metaphor are you talking about? Are you emotionally stable? You are so incoherent at this point that I am having a tough time figuring out your point. You think that I was responsible for the massacre of our army officials and that I am genocidal? I chuckled when I read that part. Mr. Alam, you are like a proverbial butterfly. You have gone from idiotic to lunatic to simply laughable in the past few days, and I find your metamorphosis really amusing. (you should look up the word "metamorphosis" before you think that I cursed at you)
 
Lastly, I am always up for discussing about Bangladesh and Bangladesh alone in this forum. Would you please do us a favor and ask your pals to stop yapping about India and Pakistan in this forum? Most of us don't care much about them. We have enough problems of our own.
 
You think people like me and Ms.. Majid should be stopped at all costs because you disagree with us? Haven't you and your reactionary friends have muffled our voices for far too long to appease your friends and mentors in India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for the last 39 years? I am not fighting you. I am fighting stupidity and misinformation. Why don't you step up to the plate and act intelligently for once? You think that "The concept of freedom and for those who seek freedom through peaceful means, they will always have my moral support"? You assume that "morality" is a static concept, as well as the "concept of freedom". Neither is true, and your naive assumptions are wrong. Perhaps you should read a little more about freedom and liberty, before wanting to "stop" Ms. Majid and I at all costs, don't you think?
 
Cyrus
 
P.S. Since you don't know "more" about Moududi and his perverted philosophies, I suggest you get going on that. You just might see why I called Munshi a "Moududi wanna-be".
 
P.S. I am not commenting on your statements about science and what scientists do. I don't want to waste my Saturday morning teaching science to the mentally challenged.


From: Firoz Alam <afirozny@yahoo.com>
To: ahumanb <ahumanb@yahoo.com>; alochona <alochona@yahoogroups.com>; Amra-bangladesi <amra-bangladesi@yahoogroups.com>; Mukto Mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>; khabor khabor <khabor@yahoogroups.com>; News from <nfb@citech-bd.com>; notun bangladesh <notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:39:49 PM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Mr. Cyrus and Ms. Farida

Dear Members -
 
Cyrus-the-Hitler wrote "do you just bend over backwards to accept everything?"
 
Of course, Cyrus-the-Hitler is more accustomed to thinking of his political opponents and intellectual opponents or perhaps his "neighbors[I feel and ought to be made known 
whether he/Farida are Bangladeshi or stooges of India]" than himself in depersonalizing and decivilizing terms and his favorite vehicles of sickness include terms such as "rat", "hound", "gang", "bend over backwards" etc etc. and I m so surprised that forum like Alochona allows such behavior from a member. Perhaps, for a good reason, you moderators have allowed such maddening behavior and let me reciprocate in similar fashion and let me ask this bustard, did India's or Pakistan's military bend her mom over backward or had threesome experiences that still traumatize him? or did India's or
Pakistan's military sodomized him during 1971 that can't let go off of his mind? Bustard!
 
As you can see, I don't choose between India or Pakistan as my capital nor do I maintain day in and day out such things in my conscious or in my political thoughts. India's or Pakistan's ghost had left even before I was born. My sole devotion and purity of my soul remains attached to my motherland Bangladesh. If my deshi brethren have money to import goods whether it is from India or china or Pakistan, I m sure, they won't seek or need counsel from a wolf in disguise as who tries to portray India in glittering light to make us accept or approve his version of "India" and reject and condemn "Pakistan" without
examining the evidences.
 
I have not accepted his apology as it was not sincere nor it was directed to where it should be.. As long as he maintains sickening metaphor just as Hitler did, I will maintain my stance and call Hitler a Hitler.
 
Anyone can read Hitler's pig metaphor that led to kill six millions people, and Mr. Cyrus' rat metaphor side-by-side to determine whether Cyrus' analogy may justify in the context of Hitler's situation. And in my mind there is no "doubt" or no reason to "suspect" whatsoever that this madman Cyrus-the-Hitler- bustard-maniac would have killed as many people as Hitler if he could and had the same state power or mercenaries like Hitler did. And my suspicions grows every time I read their messages that Cyrus and his gang might have something to do with the killers of our beloved brave and brightest military leaders.
 
And In my view, it is India's interest to see Bangladesh is weaken in militarily, economically, politically and psychologically not Pakistan's as Pakistan is already in bad shape due to so called "war on terror."
 
The imagination, curiosity, hypothesis, inductions, deductions, facts, reason, research, experimental verification i.e, trails and errors that lead to scientific discoveries and also natural laws play to a great extend as well but doubts and suspicions have nothing to do with it whatsoever.
 
Something he said "we discover" - and at the word "we" you belong where and do you doubt and suspect to blush for mere pleasure? - something "scientists never do."
 
Name Calling is a technique to want us form a judgment to reject and condemn, without examining the evidence of what makes "moududi" a "moududi" and in what relation me or others such as Mr. Munshi fall in that category is a mystery cause I can know so much and wish i knew more about Moududi other than the word Moududi and these propagandists Hitler, Cyrus and Farida won't never explore facts as their basis for conclusions or wont make known their version of facts available so that they can keep throwing stuffs at wall and see if it sticks.
 
The concept of freedom and for those who seek freedom through peaceful means, they will always have my moral support at least whether in India or China or anywhere else for that matter, There are only two ways about it either you perfect your union or lose it. Very simple. Now I made known my stand on that issue that you are implicitly or explicitly tried to convey. Stop bragging about India or Pakistan in Bangladesh forums as we should be devoted our-self pertaining to our deshi issues/causes.
 
These madman Cyrus and madwoman Farida must be stopped in every sense of the word..
 
Firoz Alam




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