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[mukto-mona] Women Ending Hunger successfully organized the Discussion Meeting titled ‘Vision 2021: Women’s Vision’

Dear All

Greetings from Women Ending Hunger women wing of Hunger Free World.

Women Ending Hunger successfully organized the Discussion Meeting titled 'Vision 2021: Women's Vision' on 29th March in the Conference Room at the National Press Club with all of your kind support.

Rekha Saha, director of Steps Towards Development, Adv. Maleka Parveen, Former Law maker Tasmin Rana, Ruhin Hossain PrinceCommunist Party of Bangladesh (CPB) leader Ruhin Hossain Prince, Soma Dey, Lecturer of Department of Women's studies, Dhaka University,  Shamsunnahar Aziz, Executive Director of Shakkhor were present as guest speakers. Members of Women Ending Hunger from Dhaka Begum, from Boda Mohsena Begum and from Kaliganj Morjina Begum shared their experienced about their life and organization.  Shamsunnahar Rasheda Khanam, president of Women Ending Hunger, chaired the program.

You can log in http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=81939 for more information.

 

Best regards,

Rahmatul Alam Ranju

Program Officer

Hunger Free World
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[mukto-mona] Re: FW: In The Name Of Investigation Political Harasment


The process of political victimization and repression that I predicted in early 2008 (when I argued that the AL would win the December elections and also with a two-thirds majority) has now begun. It is unlikely that the real culprits of the Pilkhana massacre will be apprehended at least during this government. I am not hopeful about the prospects of the AL government lasting its full 5 year term. We should, however, not be guided by dogma or doctrinare assumptions at this point. I had warned Barrister Abdur Razzak that when the AL comes to power they will finish the work that they left unfinished in 1975. The AL is proceeding according to that agenda. Unfortunately the political opposition is in disarray and in no poistion to counter this predicament which is largely of its own making. Due to their past political mistakes and misdeeds Khaleda Zia and the Jamaat leadership is unlikley to gain much public support at this juncture. For the time being the political situation looks hopeless unless a new political dimension emerges. I presently do not see the BNP or the Jamaat providing that political wisdom that will inspire the nation.     



On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:37 AM, S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com> wrote:

 

 

 

Editorial for Asia Post

 

In The Name Of Investigation Political Harasment

 

Newspapers have reported that ASP Abdul Kahhar Akanda  of CID  has summoned Barrister Abdur Razzaq to the Criminal Investigation Department (CID)  in connection with Peelkhana  mutiny ."We have found some information from various sources on his (Razzaq's) involvement in Pilkhana carnage and therefore, we need to question him to verify the information," Investigation Officer (IO) of the case Abdul Kahar Akond told The Daily Star last night. He however refused to say anything to substantiate the CID claim. Senior Assistant Superintendent of Police (ASP) Kahar asked Razzaq to appear with his passport at CID's Malibagh headquarters at 10:00am today for an exclusive grilling on the carnage.

Meanwhile, Barrister Abdur Razzaq , the Assistant Secretary General of  Jamaate Islami on Sunday  filed two separate petitions seeking bail in this case and challenging legitimacy of the notice soon after the CID summoned him. The HC yesterday granted him anticipatory bail until April 5 in connection with the case and directed the government not to harass or arrest him during this period. Meanwhile, following Razzaq's petition, a vacation HC bench of Justice Shahidul Islam directed the government to consider him as a witness, not an accused, in the case during the interrogation, and to return his passport after examining it. Advocate Tajul Islam, one of Razzaq's lawyers, told The Daily Star that Razzaq would show up at the CID office at 10:00am the today, as the HC did not stay the CID interrogation notice. Razzaq stated in the bail petition that rumours about his involvement in the mutiny had been raised to harass him. During the hearing of the petitions, Razzaq's lawyer Ajmalul Hossain argued before the court that his client had no association with the Pilkhana carnage.The notice issued for interrogation was to serve political intentions to harass Razzaq. He, like all the other countrymen, is also concerned about the present situation of the country, he said. He also said the person who has no involvement in any case should not be interrogated.Earlier on March 19, immigration police of Zia International Airport (ZIA) filed a criminal case with the Airport Police Station against Abdur Razzaq and his wife Saleha Razzaq Siddiq on charges of obstructing the airport authorities to discharge their duties in the early hours that day.Abdur Razzaq the same day filed a contempt petition with the HC against the government for preventing him from going to Malaysia and Singapore despite having an HC order allowing him to visit the countries. The HC upon separate petitions then granted them bail and stayed the proceedings of the obstruction case against them.

We are deeply worried how the  government is politicising the Peelkhana mutiny and also how such a senior lawyer of clean record is being harassed.First he and his wife ( who requires treatment  abroad ) was not allowed to leave the country by the immigration police without any cause .Then Barrister Abdur  Razzaq obtained a court order for allowing him to go abroad with his wife  but the  immigration police again stopped her though he produced the court order  to them. .In that context he filed a case of contempt of court against some government officials and the police.The government instead of seeing good reason has acted apparently malevolently. The government filed a criminal case against him for forcing his way to boarding bridge , a sheer impossibilty to go there without immigration clearance in the passport. Now this CID notice from the bolt .The CID could not also explain the specific reason on being questioned by a newsman.We are sorry for Barrister, for Bangladesh and sorry for our political culture.We do not see any glimmer of hope.Political and official culture has seriously deteriorated in the last two months.If a party with such majoriy rules in such a manner, who can deliver us.We have no doubt that Barrister Abdur Razzaq will be vindicated and falsehood will fail in its objective.

 

 

 







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[ALOCHONA] War crimes_who freed_197 war criminals and 193000 Pak Soldiers

Very interesting, Simla agreement done between India & Pakistan on July 2, 1972.
Bangladesh's Victory day was 16 December 1971. Should not this agreement be happened between newly liberated Bangladesh & defeated Pakistan.

Why Indira Gandhi taking making agreement with Bhutto and Seikh Mujib obliged to that agreement? It clearly shows, Seikh Mujib was an inapt & incompetent Prime Minister of Bangladesh!! General Niazi of Pak Army surrendered to Gen Aurora, and Indian forces   took all the arms left by Pakistan Army, woth millions of Dollars from the land of Bangladesh. Again, it was a diplomatic failure for Mujib to Indira Gandhi. It shows clearly, India is the clear winner, Indira Gandhi was looking at the future of her own country slicing Mujib into pieces. Later, Mujib-Indira agreement, another failure of Seikh Mujib, signed to protect Bangladesh - 25 years of slavery for Bangladesh.

Well, India always favored Awami League, because they can be acting as a puppet of India. Seikh Hasina definitely will continue the legacy of her father, a poodle of Indira Gandhi. Hasina's son was educated in India and she lived in India for many years, and it's time to pay back the debt!






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From: Monirul Mirza <mqmirza@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] War crimes_who freed_197 war criminals and 193000 Pak Soldiers
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 8:12 AM

The following two agreements brought back 93,000 Pakistani soldiers (that include 195 identified war criminals) to Pakistan. Upon their return all of them ordered retired.
Return of the war criminals has nothing to do with the Geneva Convention.
 

Simla Agreement

July 2, 1972

The Simla Agreement signed by Prime Minister Indira Gandhi and President Zulfikar Ali Bhutto of Pakistan on 2nd July 1972 was much more than a peace treaty seeking to reverse the consequences of the 1971 war (i.e. to bring about withdrawals of troops and an exchange of PoWs).  It was a comprehensive blue print for good neighbourly relations between India and Pakistan. Under the Simla Agreement both countries undertook to abjure conflict and confrontation which had marred relations in the past, and to work towards the establishment of durable peace, friendship and cooperation.

The Simla Agreement contains a set of guiding principles, mutually agreed to by India and Pakistan, which both sides would adhere to while managing relations with each other.  These emphasize: respect for each other's territorial integrity and sovereignty; non-interference in each other's internal affairs; respect for each others unity, political independence; sovereign equality; and abjuring hostile propaganda.  The following principles of the Agreement are, however, particularly noteworthy:

• A mutual commitment to the peaceful resolution of all issues through direct bilateral approaches.
• To build the foundations of a cooperative relationship with special focus on people to people contacts.
• To uphold the inviolability of the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir, which is a most important CBM between India and Pakistan, and a key to durable peace.

India has faithfully observed the Simla Agreement in the conduct of its relations with Pakistan.

SIMLA  AGREEMENT

Agreement on Bilateral Relations Between The Government of India and The Government of Pakistan

1. The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan are resolved that the two countries put an end to the conflict and confrontation that have hitherto marred their relations and work for the promotion of a friendly and harmonious relationship and the establishment of durable peace in the sub-continent, so that both countries may henceforth devote their resources and energies to the pressing talk of advancing the welfare of their peoples.

In order to achieve this objective, the Government of India and the Government of Pakistan have agreed as follows:-

(i) That the principles and purposes of the Charter of the United Nations shall govern the relations between the two countries;

(ii) That the two countries are resolved to settle their differences by peaceful means through bilateral negotiations or by any other peaceful means mutually agreed upon between them.  Pending the final settlement of any of the problems between the two countries, neither side shall unilaterally alter the situation and both shall prevent the organization, assistance or encouragement of any acts detrimental to the maintenance of peaceful and harmonious relations;

(iii) That the pre-requisite for reconciliation, good neighbourliness and durable peace between them is a commitment by both the countries to peaceful co-existence, respect for each other's territorial integrity and sovereignty and non-interference in each other's internal affairs, on the basis of equality and mutual benefit;

(iv) That the basic issues and causes of conflict which have bedevilled the relations between the two countries for the last 25 years shall be resolved by peaceful means;

(v) That they shall always respect each other's national unity, territorial integrity, political independence and sovereign equality;

(vi) That in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations they will refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of each other.

2. Both Governments will take all steps within their power to prevent hostile propaganda directed against each other.  Both countries will encourage the dissemination of such information as would promote the development of friendly relations between them.

3. In order progressively to restore and normalize relations between the two countries step by step, it was agreed that;

(i) Steps shall be taken to resume communications, postal, telegraphic, sea, land including border posts, and air links including overflights.

(ii) Appropriate steps shall be taken to promote travel facilities for the nationals of the other country.

(iii) Trade and co-operation in economic and other agreed fields will be resumed as far as possible.

(iv) Exchange in the fields of science and culture will be promoted.

In this connection delegations from the two countires will meet from time to time to work out the necessary details.

4. In order to initiate the process of the establishment of durable peace, both the Governments agree that:

(i) Indian and Pakistani forces shall be withdrawn to their side of the international border.

(ii) In Jammu and Kashmir, the line of control resulting from the cease-fire of December 17, 1971 shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognized position of either side.  Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations.  Both sides further undertake to refrain from the threat or the use of force in violation of this Line.

(iii) The withdrawals shall commence upon entry into force of this Agreement and shall be completed within a period of 30 days thereof.

5. This Agreement will be subject to ratification by both countries in accordance with their respective constitutional procedures, and will come into force with effect from the date on which the Instruments of Ratification are exchanged.
6. Both Governments agree that their respective Heads will meet again at a mutually convenient time in the future and that, in the meanwhile, the representatives of the two sides will meet to discuss further the modalities and arrangements for the establishment of durable peace and normalization of relations, including the questions of repatriation of prisoners of war and civilian internees, a final settlement of Jammu and Kashmir and the resumption of diplomatic relations.
 
Sd/-                                                                         Sd/-
(Indira Gandhi)                                                            (Zulfikar Ali Bhutto)
Prime Minister                                                                      President
Republic of India                                                     Islamic Republic of Pakistan

Simla, the 2nd July, 1972

 
AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT OF INDIA AND THE GOVERNMENT OF THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN 
REGARDING REPATRIATION
OF PERSONS  
New Delhi, 28 August 1973

 Desirous of solving the humanitarian problems resulting from the conflict of 1971 and thus enabling the vast majority of human beings referred to in the Joint Indo-Bangladesh Declaration to go to their respective countries, India and Pakistan have reached the following agreement :

(i) The immediate implementation of the solution of these humanitarian problems is without prejudice to the respective positions of the Parties concerned relating to the case of 195 prisoners of war referred to in clauses (vi) and (vii) of this paragraph;

(ii) Subject to clause (i) repatriation of all Pakistani prisoners of war and civilian internees will commence from the utmost despatch as soon as logistic arrangements are completed and from a date to be settled by mutual agreement;

(iii) Simultaneously, the repatriation of all Bangalees in Pakistan, and all Pakistanis in Bangladesh referred to in clause (v) below, to their respective countries will commence;

(iv) In the matter of reparticiation of all categories of persons the principle of simultaneity will be observed throughout as far as possible;

(v) Without prejudice to the respective positions of Bangladesh and Pakistan on the question of non-Bangalees, who are stated to have "opted for repatriation to Pakistan", the Government of Pakistan guided by considerations of humanity, agrees, initially, to receive a substantial number of such non-Bangalees from Bangladesh.  It is further agreed that the Prime Ministers of Bangladesh and Pakistan or their designated representatives will thereafter meet to decide what additional number of persons, who may wish to migrate to Pakistan, may be permitted to do so.  Bangladesh has made it clear that it will participate in such a meeting only on the basis of sovereign equality;

(vi) Bangladesh agrees that no trials of the 195 prisoners of war shall take place during the entire period of repatriation and that pending the settlement envisaged in clause (vii) below these prisoners of war shall remain in India;

(vii) On completion of repartriation of Pakistan prisoners of war and civilian internees in India; Bangalees in Pakistan and Pakistanis in Bangladesh referred to in clause (v) above, or earlier, if they so agree, Bangladesh, India and Pakistan will discuss and settle the question of 195 prisoners of war.  bangladesh has made it clear that it can participate in such a meeting only on the basis of sovereign equality.

 The Special representatives are confident that the completion of repatriation provided for in this Agreement would make a signal contribution to the promotion of reconciliation in the sub-continent and create an atmosphere favorable to a constructive outcome of the meeting of the three countries;

(viii) The time schedule for the completion of repatriation of the Pakistani prisoners of war and civilian internees from India, the Bangalees from Pakistan and the Pakistanis referred to in clause (v) above from Bangladesh, will be worked out by India in consultation with Bangladesh and Pakistan, as the case may be.  The Government of India will make the logistic arrangements for the Pakistani prisoners of war and civilian internees who are to be repatriated to Pakistan.  The Government of Pakistan will make logistic arrangements within its territory upto agreed points of exit for the repatriation of Bangladesh nationals to Bangladesh.  The Government of Bangladesh will make necessary arrangements for the transport of these persons from such agreed points of exit to Bangladesh.  The Government of Bangladesh will make logistic arrangements within its territory upto agreed points of exit for the movement of the Pakistanis referred to in clause (v) above who will go to Pakistan.  The Government of Pakistan will make necessary arrangements for the transport of these persons from such agreed points of exit to Pakistan.  In making logistic arrangements the Governments concerned may seek the assistance of international humanitarian organisations and others;

(ix) For the purpose of facilitating the repatriation provided for in this Agreement, the representatives of the Swiss Federal Government and any international humanitarian organisation entrusted with this task shall have unrestricted access at all times to Bangalees in Pakistan and to Pakistanis in Bangladesh referred to in clause (v) above.  The Government of Bangladesh and the Government of Pakistan will provide all assistance and facilities to such representatives in this regard including facilities for adequate publicity for the benefit of the persons entitled to repatriation under this Agreement;

(x) All persons to be repatriated in accordance with this Agreement will be treated with humanity and consideration.

 The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan have concurred in this Agreement.  The Special Representative of the Prime Minister of India, having consulted the Government of Bangladesh has also conveyed the concurrence of Bangladesh Government in this Agreement.

 DONE in New Delhi on August 28, 1973 in three originals, all of which are equally authentic.

Sd/-                                                                      Sd/-
P.N.HAKSAR                                                            AZIZ AHMED
Special Representative                                              Minister of State for Defence
of the Prime Minister of India                                      and Foreign Affairs, 
                                                                            Government of Pakistan






 

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From: thoughtocrat@ yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:37:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] War crimes_who freed_197 war criminals and 193000 Pak Soldiers

One thing we have plenty of in Bangladesh, Human Rights Advocates and Activists! It's a good thing I suppose. But I digress...
 
Mr. Sadik:
 
Would you kindly indulge us on how or from whom you "heard" that interesting theory? Not sure what new theory you are trying to imply here, but let's get some facts here. There were 93,000 (not 1,93,000) Paki POWs after Niazi and Aurora signed the treaty on Dec 16, 1971. Some of them were still in Indian captivity until 1973. The surrender document also states that both Bangladesh and India would treat Paki POWs according to the Geneva Convention, and the release of the prisoners was part of the Protocol 3 of the Geneva Convention.
 
Hope this helps?
 
Cyrus


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Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 2:08:24 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] War crimes_who freed_197 war criminals and 193000 Pak Soldiers

Dear friends,

 

It is heard that Sheikh Mujibur Rahaman with the help of Dr. Kamal Hossain and associates have done everything to free 195 proven war criminals including 1,93,000 Pakistani soldiers most of them directly had killed the freedom fighters and Bengalis.

 

Is it true? Please let us know more documents & information if you have any.

 

 

Thank you,  

 

Shahid Sadik

Human Rights Activist






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Re: [spam] Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Gradual exposure of the hidden face in Bangladesh

Mr. Abdeen:
 
Thank you for your kind wishes. I am sure Allah has shown the straightpath to self-righteous and sanctimonious individuals like you, and I am happy for you. No worries! You will find plenty of them here. But here is the main issue...
 
I am not sure you understand the word "Islamist". IT IS NOT the one who follows Islam correctly. The word "Islamist" comes from "Islamism", which is a school of thought that believes that Islam is not just a religion, but also a political system. The idea of Islamism is deeply rooted in organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, as well as other shady militant organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah, who want to establish a political state based on Islam. The foundation of Islamism is an "Islamic State", like in Saudi Arabia. Contrary to what you think, Islam and Islamism are quite different. So, before you declare someone a "Kafeer", at least make sure that you understand your faith and your religion well. 
 
I don't know what a "straight path" is, and I can bet my life savings that none of you do either. But whatever it is, I hope Allah gives you the strength and courage to seek knowledge, and allow you to separate the true meaning of Islam from the "isms".
 
Cheers,
Cyrus


From: abdeen <abdeenar@sltnet.lk>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:56:55 PM
Subject: Re: [spam] Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Gradual exposure of the hidden face in Bangladesh

I am not an "Islamist".
Cyrus you said this.
If so are you a kafir (disbeliever) ?
I suppose an ISLAMIST is one who follows his religion correctly. Thats all.
In case you are a Muslim, sorry for saying so, but may Allah lead you on the straightpath.
abdeen
----- Original Message -----
From: Cyrus
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:04 PM
Subject: [spam] Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Gradual exposure of the hidden face in Bangladesh

I agree that "Islamist" is a wrong term, coined by the Bush Administration and the neocons to lump all followers of Islam into one single group, and it should be completely rejected. I am a Muslim, a progressive Muslim, and I am not an "Islamist". There are millions of Muslims around the world who are devoted to their faith, progressive and forward-thinking, and reject all sorts of violence and acts of terror. They are not "Islamists". They are Muslims. End of Story. Labeling them otherwise is not only wrong and misguiding, but also offensive to the people of Islamic faith.
 
But I must draw your attention to another phrase, Mr. Alam. I disagree with your use of phrases like "synagogue of Satan". I think it is rather hypocritical to use the word "synagogue" and associate it with Satan, and write in the same sentence that "we must respect all Abrahamic traditions and revelations and their people". A synagogue, as I am sure you know, is a place of worship for the oldest Abrahamic religion, Judaism. I think using such phrases are offensive to the Abrahamic faith. I am sure you and I would be very upset if someone said "the Church of Evil" or the "Mosque of Devil". Wouldn't you agree?
 
Cyrus


From: afirozny <afirozny@yahoo. com>
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:48:28 PM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Gradual exposure of the hidden face in Bangladesh

The host of the synagogue of Satan Mr. Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury must not use politically incorrect word such as "Islamist" as we must respect all Abrahamic traditions and revelations and their people. If he has any valid issue with any political party, he must address using their proper names because stereotyping or Islamphobia does not suits his intention to improve relation with Zionist state. If anyone with grace can convey this little note to Mr. Salah Uddin, will be appreciated.





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[mukto-mona] BRD Revolt

Killers should be punished, whoever he is
 
CID called Jamaat leader Barrister Razzak. Newspapers reported that, he talked with BDR for long time during the revolt? Barrister Razzak tried to flee after BDR revolt, while immigration authority did not allow him to escape.
 
Daily Samokal wrote that (30th March 2009), more Jamaat leaders and two influential BNP leaders will be called by CID. Who are they? One of them is SAKA? We will wait & see.
 
In the past, we saw that, killers got an escape route. Hope this time, government will not allow the killers go unpunished, whoever he is and military will help to bring the culprits to justice.


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RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: Gradual exposure of the hidden face in Bangladesh


What is Islamist?
 
what's wrong with Islamist ? They pray 5 times a day, take care of their family and help poor people.  I see nothing wrong with that.
They also should believe that god has created different religions and cultures, so that we can learn from each other.
 
Anger and violence in Islamic world is not originating from religion but from oppression,corruption.
Western powers should work on that if they really want to do something. General people may be poor but still knows the Truth and makes them mad. Frustration and anger is not a good combination.
Everybody wants to have future for them and their children including muslims.
 
Process of Pakistanisazation of Bangladesh is on the way.
Soon drones will be flying .
 
 


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From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: Gradual exposure of the hidden face in Bangladesh
To: "Alochona Alochona" <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:38 AM

    The term 'Islamist' has been coined for a special, modern meaning. It is used to denote a person engaged in politically motivated activities that are harmful to other people, especialy damaging Muslim people's interests. [Please look up a reliable, current dictionary. Older dictionaries may not even list the term].
 
       Anyone trying to say otherwise is ignorant or deliberately trying to hide the truth.
This Superman journalist Shoaib  Chowdhury is a cartoon character and everything he writes is a distortion of truth, a disengenuous attempt to exploit ignorance and communal passion.
 
     An 'Islamist' is an enemy of simple people of faith, the ordinary m'umin. Look at their latest handiwork in Pakistan -- bombing and killing Muslims at Jumma prayer in a mosque!The Islamists knowingly violate the basic moral edict of the Holy Que'an.
 
       Farida Majid

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From: abdeenar@sltnet.lk
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:56:55 +0600
Subject: Re: [spam] Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Gradual exposure of the hidden face in Bangladesh

I am not an "Islamist".
Cyrus you said this.
If so are you a kafir (disbeliever) ?
I suppose an ISLAMIST is one who follows his religion correctly. Thats all.
In case you are a Muslim, sorry for saying so, but may Allah lead you on the straightpath.
abdeen
----- Original Message -----
From: Cyrus
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:04 PM
Subject: [spam] Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Gradual exposure of the hidden face in Bangladesh

I agree that "Islamist" is a wrong term, coined by the Bush Administration and the neocons to lump all followers of Islam into one single group, and it should be completely rejected. I am a Muslim, a progressive Muslim, and I am not an "Islamist". There are millions of Muslims around the world who are devoted to their faith, progressive and forward-thinking, and reject all sorts of violence and acts of terror. They are not "Islamists". They are Muslims. End of Story. Labeling them otherwise is not only wrong and misguiding, but also offensive to the people of Islamic faith.
 
But I must draw your attention to another phrase, Mr. Alam. I disagree with your use of phrases like "synagogue of Satan". I think it is rather hypocritical to use the word "synagogue" and associate it with Satan, and write in the same sentence that "we must respect all Abrahamic traditions and revelations and their people". A synagogue, as I am sure you know, is a place of worship for the oldest Abrahamic religion, Judaism. I think using such phrases are offensive to the Abrahamic faith. I am sure you and I would be very upset if someone said "the Church of Evil" or the "Mosque of Devil". Wouldn't you agree?
 
Cyrus


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The host of the synagogue of Satan Mr. Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury must not use politically incorrect word such as "Islamist" as we must respect all Abrahamic traditions and revelations and their people. If he has any valid issue with any political party, he must address using their proper names because stereotyping or Islamphobia does not suits his intention to improve relation with Zionist state. If anyone with grace can convey this little note to Mr. Salah Uddin, will be appreciated.







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Re: [spam] Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Gradual exposure of the hidden face in Bangladesh

Dear Mr. Abdeen:

Whether or not Cyrus is a true believer or not is not your concern. True believer according to whom. Are you suggesting yourself as an example! I am afraid your understanding of the word Islamist as commonly understood & used is non-existent.  Nor does the unsaid implication behind your comment provide any confidence about your understanding or meaning of true belief .  

You should instead be solely concerned about the state of your own belief and whether it is indeed leading you to a straight path or not. It is quite possible that you have wasted all your time hitherto!

Robin Khundkar

-----Original Message-----
From: abdeen
Sent: Mar 28, 2009 7:56 PM
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [spam] Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Gradual exposure of the hidden face in Bangladesh

I am not an "Islamist".
Cyrus you said this.
If so are you a kafir (disbeliever) ?
I suppose an ISLAMIST is one who follows his religion correctly. Thats all.
In case you are a Muslim, sorry for saying so, but may Allah lead you on the straightpath.
abdeen
----- Original Message -----
From: Cyrus
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:04 PM
Subject: [spam] Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Gradual exposure of the hidden face in Bangladesh

I agree that "Islamist" is a wrong term, coined by the Bush Administration and the neocons to lump all followers of Islam into one single group, and it should be completely rejected. I am a Muslim, a progressive Muslim, and I am not an "Islamist". There are millions of Muslims around the world who are devoted to their faith, progressive and forward-thinking, and reject all sorts of violence and acts of terror. They are not "Islamists". They are Muslims. End of Story. Labeling them otherwise is not only wrong and misguiding, but also offensive to the people of Islamic faith.
 
But I must draw your attention to another phrase, Mr. Alam. I disagree with your use of phrases like "synagogue of Satan". I think it is rather hypocritical to use the word "synagogue" and associate it with Satan, and write in the same sentence that "we must respect all Abrahamic traditions and revelations and their people". A synagogue, as I am sure you know, is a place of worship for the oldest Abrahamic religion, Judaism. I think using such phrases are offensive to the Abrahamic faith. I am sure you and I would be very upset if someone said "the Church of Evil" or the "Mosque of Devil". Wouldn't you agree?
 
Cyrus


From: afirozny <afirozny@yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:48:28 PM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Gradual exposure of the hidden face in Bangladesh

The host of the synagogue of Satan Mr. Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury must not use politically incorrect word such as "Islamist" as we must respect all Abrahamic traditions and revelations and their people. If he has any valid issue with any political party, he must address using their proper names because stereotyping or Islamphobia does not suits his intention to improve relation with Zionist state. If anyone with grace can convey this little note to Mr. Salah Uddin, will be appreciated.




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Friends>

The Heart has only one function---to pump blood to the lungs and the body. It does not feel anything. It does not know anything. It does not store anything. It does not memorize anything. Consciousness, reasoning, decision making, imagination, pain receptors, love making, convictions, commitments, and pretty much everything else resides right in our brain. As a matter of fact, various visual characteristics of an object such as color, shape, size, and motion are registered in the brain. All our learning functions take place in the brain. We didn't know any better 1400 years ago. Take for example these sayings—'Sun rises in the east'—Sun sets in the west'—'he memorized the Quran by heart'—'lover is heart-broken'—etc., etc., Today we know these statements are all false. I wonder, why Muslim Allah did not know this scientific fact that everything is in the brain. And sealing the heart of a person---will go down in the guinnes book of world as the 'most unfortunate, most unjust, most unfair and most cruel statement by this so called creator of our universe. I know I've harped on this before, but this is a prima facie example of the Islamic twisted illogical mind: On the one hand, the message is universal and dawa is an obligation. On the other hand-- Allah declares that most will go to Hell not because they refuse to believe, but because He has made sure they cannot believe. (Meaning He Sealed their Hearts) Only a person who thinks and feels with his heart—can fathom this strange logic.
 
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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:20:24 +0200
Subject: [FriendzforAllah] Has not the time come?


Has not the time come?

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Allah (the Exalted and Almighty) has said
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Has not the time come for the hearts
of those who believe
 (in the Oneness of Allah - Islamic Monotheism)
 to be affected by Allah’s Reminder
 (this Qur’an)
 and that which has been revealed of the truth
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