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Saturday, December 10, 2016

Re: [mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} Hillary Clinton Does Have a Viable Legal Challenge to the Electoral College System



This talk of wining the popular vote can be the consolation prize for the loser, but not for winning argument for Presidency. Liberals' are dragging it for too long. It's about time to realize the loss.
When you agree to play a game, you must follow the established rules and regulations of the game to win. The election game is played to gain the most electoral colleges ( 270), not most popular votes. So, candidates spend all effort to gain 270 electoral colleges. That's it.
Naturally, all candidates strategize game-plan to gain 270 electoral colleges, which require campaigning in as many states as possible, even in sparsely populated states, such as, New Hampshire, Maine, etc.
On the other hand, if the rules of the game was to gain most votes, candidates would have campaigned only in the heavily populated large states, such as New York or California, and small states would have been neglected forever.
Hillary got 78% votes in New York and 64% votes in California, where Trump did not campaign, which brought her popular vote count ahead of Trump.
Now, after losing the electoral college count, liberals are asking for changing the rules of the game. As recently as in 2000, Al Gore got the most popular votes also, but Bush became the President. At that time, liberals never cried so loud and so hard to change the rule.  
Liberals need to grow up, if that's even possible!
 
Jiten Roy



From: "Sitangshu Guha guhasb@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} Hillary Clinton Does Have a Viable Legal Challenge to the Electoral College System

 
Electoral College (United States)
The United States Electoral College is the body that elects the president and vice president of the United States every four years. Citizens of the United States do not directly elect the president or the vice president; instead they choose "electors", who pledge beforehand to vote for the candidate of a particular party.[2][3]
Each state gets to choose as many electors as the combined total of the number of U.S. senators and representatives to which the state is entitled.[4] The District of Columbia gets at most the number of electors it would have if it were a state but not more than the number of electors of the least-populous state (currently three).[5] There are therefore currently 538 electors, corresponding to the 435 representatives and 100 senators in the House of Representatives and the Senate, plus the three electors for the District of Columbia. The Constitution bars any federal official, elected or appointed, from being an elector.
All states except Maine and Nebraska have chosen electors on a "winner-take-all" basis since the 1880s.[6] Under the winner-take-all system, all the electors that a state chooses are those that have pledged to vote for the candidate who ends up getting the most votes in that state. Maine and Nebraska use the "congressional district method", selecting one elector within each congressional district by popular vote and selecting the remaining two electors by a statewide popular vote.[7] Although no elector is required by federal law to honor their pledge, there have been very few occasions when an elector voted contrary to a pledge.[8][9] The Twelfth Amendment, in specifying how a president and vice president are elected, requires each elector to cast one vote for president and another vote for vice president.[10][11]
The candidate who receives an absolute majority of electoral votes (currently 270) for the office of president or of vice president is elected to that office. The Twelfth Amendment provides for what happens if the Electoral College fails to elect a president or vice president. If no candidate receives a majority for president then the House of Representatives will select the president, with each state delegation (instead of each representative) having only one vote. If no candidate receives a majority for vice president, then the Senate will select the vice president, with each senator having one vote.[12][13] On five occasions, most recently in the 2016 presidential election, the Electoral College system has resulted in the selection of electors with a majority pledged to a candidate who did not receive the most popular votes in the election.[14]

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ms Clinton currently has 2.6 million more votes than Donald Trump in the popular count, but lost the election in November because of the idiosyncratic workings of the United States' Electoral College system — a result which academic Lawrence Lessig has said could be ruled unconstitutional. 
The process by which the United States elects a president is complicated — rather than US citizens voting for their head of state directly, representatives in the Electoral College choose the winner on behalf of their state.
Almost all states operate a "winner-takes-all" system, which ignores voter margins. So for instance, Ms Clinton got 44 per cent of the vote in Georgia, but because Mr Trump got a larger percentage, none of the state's six representatives in the Electoral College are set to vote for her.
In an article published by Medium, Mr Lessig said he and a number of other legal experts believed this could be illegal because it defies the constitutionally enshrined principles of "equal protections" and "one man, one vote". It means not all votes are treated in the same way and some people do not get a say at all. 
 http://readersupportednews. org/opinion2/277-75/40725- focus-hillary-clinton-does- have-a-viable-legal-challenge- to-the-electoral-college- system
England writes: Legal expert says Ms Clinton could have grounds to challenge 'unconstitutional' electoral college system and claim win, as she takes 2.6 million lead in popular vote.


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