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Monday, April 17, 2017

[mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam now put Sk Hasina under his hefajot



Thanks Jalal Bhai for further elucidating secularism and TNT. 


I agree with AR on one point that the TNT is dead now. In fact, it started loosing its meaning from 1947 itself as the pigheaded Punjabi and military leaders of Pakistan renegaded from from its spirit and alienated and subjugated the Bengalis of East Pakistan for long 23 years. It is also true that TNT became Three Nations Theory (Th NT)with the creation of Bangladesh as an independent Muslim country. In other words, if there were no TNT, there would not be Th NT either.

I or any other Bengali of East Pakistan didn't have to know the word or meaning of "secularism" before January 1972 because nobody talked about it as a political, social or religious issue then (show me the evidence, if you disagree); it existed in the dictionary only. It is sad that a neo-apartheid, a neo-TNT is being imposed under the shelter of Secularism in Bangladesh today. However, this dichotomy will have to come to an end the soonest. One cannot ride a tiger for too long; the fall has to come.

From: Jalal Uddin Khan <jukhan@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 12:50 PM
To: ranu51@hotmail.com
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Subject: Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam now put Sk Hasina under his hefajot
 

  • Thanks Capt Razzak Syed for your right and legit comments.
  • Thank you, KO, for your comment, "After reading 2,3 posting from FM, I find hard to bring myself to her posting." She loves reproducing X-rated stuff out of her perversion and sensual/sexual pleasure. She also teaches violence to children and teaches them how to vilify and "kick the ass" of the greatest and most heroic men of Bangladesh such as President Gen Ziaur R. She does not teach them self-defense, healthy morality, nobility, and civilized virtues. 
  • Ranu Chy is right in his view about secularism. Dr Taj Hashmi of Austin Peay University Tennessee claims, secularism, like socialism,"was a very remote issue during the Liberation War of 1971, at least among the hoi polloi [the masses, the common people] who supported, helped and fought for Bangladesh. It was like a still-born child, dead before it was even born. Later, many supporters of Mujib turned into 'Islam-loving' mainly out of frustration and apprehensions about secularism and socialism, which incidentally did not restore their cherished Sonar Bangla or Bengal of Gold"---"Ziaur Rahman, Islam and Bangladeshi Nationalism," https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ saldwr/conversations/messages/710
  • Ranu Chy's question, "Is it? Where, which sector she fought in 1971? In Agartala or chokirtola?" is very valid. There are thousands of fake n false muktijoddhas on the Awami list. Maybe she managed to be one them. One cannot trust her. The buri khooki has serious memory loss and serious trust deficit.
  • Thanks Engr Shahadat Bhai for your comment, "The statement above fully characterizes Ms. Bua. Her statement, "In 1971 we bravely fought against, and WON the fight against the IDEA of Pakistan -- against the 2-nation theory of 1947" is totally a false statement. We fought for power share and justice. As a matter of Lahore resolution got fully implemented two nation theory after emancipation of Bangladesh. 
  • Agree with Shahadat Bhai's comment, "Razzak bhai, don't be worried about what people like 'Bua' says." 



On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 1:23 PM, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:
I am surprised Ranu Choudhury did not hear about "Secularism" before 1972. Was he not born before 1972 or was he on another planet before that year?

FM was referring to the Two Nation Theory (TNT) that culminated in two nations in 1947. This TNT was not invented in 1947. The TNT is now totally discredited and despised. Yes, the TNT had spawned into Three Nations and Bangladesh is the beneficiary.

But even the ardent Pakistani agents and supporters would not argue that West Pakistani criminals and Punjabi thugs wanted to impose Urdu in the then East Pakistan in order to create Bangladesh. Bangladesh came into being, not as a result of a grand design or a historical strategy, but as a result of geopolitical machination. In this respect I fully agree with Ranu Chowdhury that even Sheikh Mujibur Rahman did not anticipate or even venture to utter the word "Bangladesh" before 7 March 1971. If he or anybody else would have done that, that person would have been imprisoned immediately for treason or even hanged. That was the regime we lived in. Those people who now cry for Pakistan should remember that.

- AR   


On Monday, 17 April 2017, 6:40, RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:


"In 1971 we bravely fought against, and WON the fight against the IDEA of Pakistan -- against the 2-nation theory of 1947."--FM
Is it? Where, which sector she fought in 1971? In Agartala or chokirtola? Some idiots keep crowing that people fought to establish in Bangladesh "Secularism", a word no Bengalis came across before January 10, 1972. Now another (you know what) comes to say that the fight was against the 
IDEA of Pakistan -- against the 2-nation theory of 1947. 

Is it there in Mujib's 6-Points? Has anyone heard it during the 1969 movement? During the 1970 election campaign? During any of the talks between Mujib and the Pakistani junta in January-March 1971? Mujib and Awami League participated in the 1970 elections on the basis of President Yahya's LFO which had guarantee clauses for the unity of Pakistan. Mujib's March 7, 1971 speech ended with Pakistan Zindabad. Mujib negotiated with the junta until March 25 for unity of Pakistan. So where does the contrary idea about Two Nation Theory (TNT)show up?

Shahadat Bhai put it rightly when he said: "We fought for power share and justice. As a matter of Lahore resolution got fully implemented two nation theory after emancipation of Bangladesh." That is, it is because of  TNT, we won Bangladesh. Otherwise, where would Bangladesh be? With India? In the Bay of Bengal?
I am no fan of TNT, but it was necessary for the Muslims in India in 1947. Even Nehru pushed for it. Mujib as a student leader fought for it. 

FM should go back to basis history classes before making such idiotic comments.
From: Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 12:33 AM
To: Shahadat Hussaini
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Subject: Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam now put Sk Hasina under his hefajot
 
Thank you SHahadat Bhai. Keep us in your Doa's.

Razzak A. Syed


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On 17 Apr 2017, at 9:16 am, Shahadat Hussaini <ShahadatHussaini@hotmail.com> wrote:

"The problem is that there too many morons like Razzak are roaming around in Bangladesh and beyond. These dimwits suffer from a congenital disease called...' I do not study, I do not read, I do not think and I do not care' syndrome. When people suffer from this chronic brain disease, they become suddenly God's creatures, called Mullahs! "

The statement above fully characterizes Ms. Bua. Her statement, "In 1971 we bravely fought against, and WON the fight against the IDEA of Pakistan -- against the 2-nation theory of 1947.", is totally a false statement. We fought for power share and justice. As a matter of Lahore resolution got fully implemented two nation theory after emancipation of Bangladesh. 

The true shall prevail, the falsehood will be destroyed by their own activity and actions.

Razzak bhai, don,t you be worried on what people like 'Bua' says. 

Where is Mr. Deeelder? 

From: Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 3:27 PM
To: Farida Majid
Cc: Jalal Uddin Khan; ANISUR RAHMAN; Rezaul Karim; Mohammad Aleem; Javed Helali; Rashed Anam; Nuran Nabi; RANU CHOWDHURY; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; Khoniker Othithee; Quazi Haque; Hussain Suhrawardy; Post Card; zainul abedin; Outlook Team; Pfc; Quazi Nuru
Subject: Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam now put Sk Hasina under his hefajot
 
Ms. FM,
   Your statement "In 1971 we bravely fought against, and WON the fight against the IDEA of Pakistan -- against the 2-nation theory of 1947."

Can you check the history and find out who was behind the 2-nation theory and why? Current status of Bangladesh is the answer to it. 


Razzak A. Syed


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On 17 Apr 2017, at 6:22 am, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:

In 1971 we bravely fought against, and WON the fight against the IDEA of Pakistan -- against the 2-nation theory of 1947. 





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