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Saturday, April 22, 2017

Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam - contradicting tradition




I only quoted the Qur'an by way of praising the Qur'an for its insight in human nature.  It speaks to me.  I believe in its deep wisdom and follow its precept.  Do you have a problem with that,  Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com>? ? ?


You can stay content with your deep knowledge of Sunny Leone videos.  I don't tell you not to do so.

Tell us, who are you to lecture us about what we should be doing?

I don't lecture you to follow the Qur'an because I see, again and again, over the years, how prone you are to lying. You are among the incurable Zalims!

Wa Allah la yahdeel quom al-Dhalimuna -- Allah  guideth not people who do zulm -- Surah Tauba:108




From: Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 3:26 PM
To: Farida Majid
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Subject: Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam - contradicting tradition
 
Dear Ms. FM,
               Quoting the ayah doesn't mean, you very knowledgeable. However, Mr. KO and yourself walking on the thin rope, trying to balance your self but failing frequently due lack of yaakin. You will be able to earn it by the blessing of Allah (SWT). 

Mr. KO quoted " When jihad was first 
> coined? I haven't found yet that Prophet (PUBH ) direct 
> Jihad, he was preacher who didn't carry any 
> sword/weapons. In the first decade, there was no record"

Battle of Badar taken place on second year of Arabic Calendar. 'Madinah Sanad' or Muslim state declared by Prophet (SAW) on the first year of Arabic Calendar. 

Prophet (SAW) started preaching Islam after getting his Nobuah at the age of 40-41. First 11 years from his Nobuah, wasn't considered the era of Islam, simply because he was mostly by himself except Maa Khadija (RA) and less than a dozen, who believed him only. He was preaching by himself, when he was humiliated and physically tortured and finally when his life was in danger, he was ordered to migrate to Medina. 

Hopefully, now you n your fellow mate would understand, why I objected to Mr. KO.

 Also FYI, prophet (SAW) had no experience of war or diplomacy, every war and treaty he had done, was fully under the order and guidance from Allah(SWT). 

Every war he fought with a reason and guidance for Muslims. Specially battle of "Uhud" is a big significance for Muslims. Most of the Muslims don't understand the reason, it that war Muslims were humiliated, Prophet (SAW) was injured and lost his childhood friend and most beloved uncle, with their sacrifice, Muslims were warned by Allah (SWT) on the following:

1. Consequences of disobeying Prophet's order.

2. Consequences of greed.

3. Consequences of disagreement between Muslims in the crucial time.

4. Consequences of impatience.

5. Consequences of forgetting Allah (SWT) even in a joyful moment.

Razzak A. Syed


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On 22 Apr 2017, at 6:28 pm, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:

My question to M Aleem <aleem53@yahoo.com>


Why have you embarked on hurling 'personal attacks' on me?  This is a public discourse on PUBLIC issues.  Are you using this tactics of throwing dirty ad hominems as cover-up of FACTS and truth?


The Qur'an is very intelligent in admonishing lying by pointing out how an act of lying is constructed by covering up Truth deliberately and manipulatively  << wa la talbisu Al Haqqa bil batili wa taktumoo al Haqqa wa antum ta'alamoona. -- Sura Bakara, verse 42.  "And cover not Truth with falsehood (for ill motives) , nor conceal Truth when ye know (what it is)".


You are lying, knowing full well that you are faking truth and reality,  when you say

<< It is not difficult to understand their motive... They do not want to see Muslims with the Status of winners that the Prophet had in his Madina life till his death, being a powerful ruler with head up... They like to see Muslims as servants of Hindu Jaminders. A trend has started back in a Muslim majority country and some of these Gayan paapee are singing in support in the name of Secularism.... >>



These "Ogadh Islami Gayan dhari" persons (namhin KO and bua beti) like to tie 130M Muslims of BD to the plight of Muslims of first 13 years of the Prophet... Like to see them in helpless, and powerless situation...
It is not difficult to understand their motive... They do not want to see Muslims with the Status of winners that the Prophet had in his Madina life till his death, being a powerful ruler with head up... They like to see Muslims as servants of Hindu Jaminders. A trend has started back in a Muslim majority country and some of these Gayan paapee are singing in support in the name of Secularism....

These same people do not talk about secular India... Secular India is being ruled by Hindutva Modi and Yogesh and that is not a problem to them at all... minority rights are being violated daily there and that is not any issue, not any fundamentalism. They only find problems in Bangladesh.









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On Apr 21, 2017 5:48 PM, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> You don't know that first 13 years he less Tha 30 followers, that including women. He never carried sword, atleaSt the first 12 years, if a katmullah is your source of enlightened, then it doesn't matter how well educated you are, your outlook is as narrow as your guru. the bangla adge , mullar dour mosjid porjontow' ., Sums up the short comings inflicting many.
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 4/21/17, Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam - contradicting tradition
> To: "Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
> Cc: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com, farida_majid@hotmail.com, mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com, anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com, nabdc@googlegroups.com, jukhan@gmail.com, rezaulkarim617@gmail.com, aleem53@yahoo.com, jhelali2000@yahoo.com, rashedanam1971@gmail.com, nurannabi@gmail.com, quazi98@hotmail.com, abahar.canada@gmail.com, zainul321@yahoo.com, zoglul@hotmail.co.uk, quazinuru@yahoo.com, veirsmill@yahoo.com, drmohsinali@yahoo.com, sakhter1015@gmail.com
> Date: Friday, April 21, 2017, 5:35 PM
>
> KO,Stop bloody your lies,
> people in the forum are well educated and well aware of
> Islamic history. Your following statement shows your lack of
> knowledge, even Pope will condemn your false
> propaganda.
> "When jihad was first coined? I haven't found
> yet that Prophet (PUBH ) direct Jihad, he was preacher who
> didn't carry any sword/weapons. In the first
> decade, there was no record or claim of  battle or
> jihad to spread Islam that
> period."
> Razzak A. Syed
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 22 Apr 2017, at 5:04 am, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> When jihad was first
> coined? I haven't found yet that Prophet (PUBH ) direct
> Jihad, he was preacher who didn't carry any
> sword/weapons. In the first decade, there was no record or
> claim of  battle or jihad to spread Islam that period.
>


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