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Friday, April 21, 2017

Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam - contradicting tradition

No glory in winning the debate, when loosing on facts. I could have found it plausible , that the jihad is a conspiracy of mosad and CIA, if thses existed during early days of caliphate.


When jihad was first coined? I haven't found yet that Prophet (PUBH ) direct Jihad, he was preacher who didn't carry any sword/weapons. In the first decade, there was no record or claim of battle or jihad to spread Islam that period. That started only after kafir supposedly embracing Islam, but in reality many muslims were embracing violence, kafir mode of getting their way. If Almighty wanted jihad, then he would made arrangements in the first year of Islam. Follow prophet what he preached first decade, you cannot go wrong.
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On Fri, 4/21/17, <amsmel@aol.com> wrote:


Subject: Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam - contradicting tradition
To: khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com
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Date: Friday, April 21, 2017, 1:41 AM

That's the
best you can do. We know your limits. Don't worry,
everyone will realise their fate, when
'malekul-mout' appears on their door step.




Razzak A. Syed





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Sent: Fri, Apr 21, 2017 11:58 am

Subject: Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam -
contradicting tradition




Whom you are fooling, not Muslims who are embracing
Secularism . I hate to say, your observation are same as
katmullah in neighborhood, when they are in minority. I
don't know in Australia, who are minorities, I am
assuming you are there.

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On Thu, 4/20/17, Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam -
contradicting tradition

To: "Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>

Cc: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com,
"Farida Majid" <farida_majid@hotmail.com>,
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Date: Thursday, April 20, 2017, 9:41 PM



Mr. KO,

  You

are a confused person. Muslims don't promote
violence.

In today's world, violence in Muslim nations are

promoted or provoked by western worlds, either for their

financial gains or establish their supremacy. I believe
you

are an educated person, use your brain n think
rationally,

when a person's back leans against the wall by
abusers,

there is no choice other than unexpected behaviour by
the

victims. It's unfair to generalise  the Muslims
with

any individuals or groups or races.



Hope your heart opens up.



Razzak A. Syed





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>

On 21 Apr 2017, at 11:18 am, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>

wrote:

>

> S

Razzak,

> Is charity the only practice of

non  Muslim that u  will agree, to comply with surahs

mandating freedom of any religion. I thought qualifying

surah is .a big, no no, when it doesn't call for

violence or. Coercion.

>

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> On Tue, 4/18/17, Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com>

wrote:

>

> Subject:

Re: : [mukto-mona] Re: Shafi of Hefojat Islam -

contradicting tradition

> To:

"Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>

> Cc: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com,

"Farida Majid" <farida_majid@hotmail.com>,

"mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com"

<mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>,

"Bangladesh-progressives Googlegroups"
<bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>,

"ANISUR RAHMAN" <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com>,

"nabdc@googlegroups.com"

<nabdc@googlegroups.com>,

"Jalal Uddin Khan" <jukhan@gmail.com>,

"Rezaul Karim" <rezaulkarim617@gmail.com>,


"Mohammad Aleem" <aleem53@yahoo.com>,

"Javed Helali" <jhelali2000@yahoo.com>,

"Rashed Anam" <rashedanam1971@gmail.com>,

"Nuran Nabi" <nurannabi@gmail.com>,

"Quazi Haque" <quazi98@hotmail.com>,

"Post Card" <abahar.canada@gmail.com>,

"zainul abedin" <zainul321@yahoo.com>,

"Outlook Team" <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>,

"Quazi Nuru" <quazinuru@yahoo.com>,

"ShamimChowdhury" <veirsmill@yahoo.com>,

"Dr. M. Mohsin Ali" <drmohsinali@yahoo.com>,

"S Akhter" <sakhter1015@gmail.com>

> Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 10:13 PM

>

> "Kafir had no

provision for

> Secularism.

>

> a)

> Verse 149 of al-An'am : Everybody has

right

> to choose their own faith

> b)

> Verse 256 of Surah

al-Baqarah, La Ikraha Fiddin

> : There

can't any compulsion in religion.

>



> C)Verse 40 of Surah al-Raad,


> Verse 12 of Surah Hud, Verse 188 of Surah

al-A'raf and


> Verse 45 of Surah Qaf,

all validate freedom believes

>

>

> In Surah

> al-Ghashiyah, Verses 21 and 22 state: no

man can manage

> others belief. It is the

prerogative of Almighty only to

> judge 

and He will do it only on the day of final

> judgement.

>

> Unlike kafir,

> Islam

validates pluralist vision with many faiths coexisting

> with respect each other, there no ifs or

buts here"

>

>

Above are true, now my

> questions to so

called secularists, which  Muslims nations

> stops or compels non Muslims to follow

Islam? 10% Non

> Muslims and so called

Muslims Secularists are compelling 90%

>

Muslims to follow their ideology!! Offering loans or

funds

> to poorer to compel their faiths

like NGO's, Caritas,

> world vision

are the good examples.


>

> That's why Allah (SWT) mentioned

about

> these muslim secularists:

>

> "তারা

বধির, মূক ও

>


অন্ধ। সুতরাং তারা

ফিরে

> আসবে

না।"

>

>



>  Razzak A. Syed

>



>

> Sent from my

> iPhone

>

>

>> On 19 Apr 2017,

at 11:08 am, Khoniker

> Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>

> wrote:

>>

>> Kafir had no

>

provision for Secularism.

>>

>> a)

>> Verse 149

of

> al-An'am : Everybody has right to

choose their own

> faith

>> b)

>> Verse

256

> of Surah al-Baqarah, La Ikraha

Fiddin : There can't any

> compulsion

in religion.

>>

>> C)Verse 40 of Surah al-Raad, Verse 12

of

> Surah Hud, Verse 188 of Surah

al-A'raf and Verse 45 of

> Surah Qaf,

all validate freedom believes

>>

>>

>> In Surah

al-Ghashiyah, Verses 21 and 22

> state:

no man can manage others belief. It is the

> prerogative of Almighty only to judge 

and He will do it

> only on the day of

final judgement.

>>

>> Unlike kafir, Islam validates

pluralist

> vision with many faiths

coexisting with respect each other,

>

there no ifs or buts here

>







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