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Monday, July 3, 2017

[mukto-mona] Re: Fw: {PFC-Friends} Is India Restaging ‘Sikkim Saga’ in Bangladesh?



No need to introduce any fixed idea to an young person, let alone a very young child. Who does that serve to? Not God and nor that poor person! Let him/her choose his/her way independently without parents' involvement. With so much religious indoctrination, how many good people do find in Bangladesh? I find more trustworthy person in the west whether they are on the streets or in offices. I bet butcher, Shamim Osman prays ten times a day to kill his innocent opponents. And wish to be totally forgiven by Allah and SK Hasina. Yes, he is a great Mus!! How many of  our Bangladeshi PFC idiots are really equipped with any intelligent thoughts other than Allah-hu Akbar chants? 

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com> wrote:
People steeped in tradition of cultural or religion tends to have closed mind and seldom practice free thinking , and contribute to new ways of solving problems for humanity.

British rule weakened many Hindu traditions in many Indian states. Those states are leading the way for india. Issue with present day Muslims ,  they are taught to appease half educated religious fanatics from very early age.  These children take their words for God words and them as little God. That mess up judgement of children with not very strong  mind.

I have read there are several hundreds of hadis were considered not authentic so  discarded. That goes to show how authentic or lack thereof these religious documents are. If children are introduced to religion at much later age , that is good for  religion and society. But that is hard to change because a cottage industry came out of it, which is ready to fight hard.

Only God knows best, how to go about make changes to that predicament.



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On Mon, 7/3/17, DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: Fw: {PFC-Friends} Is India Restaging 'Sikkim Saga' in Bangladesh?
 To: "Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
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 Date: Monday, July 3, 2017, 1:52 PM

 It is
 rather a cultural tradition of free thinking than believing
 in what one's religion permits. If you are not asking
 tough questions, you are not pushing the envelope, Most
 religions do have that latitude of freedom except Islam.
 Muslim students (numbers are very small though) are
 boycotting evolution studies in many good western
 universities to become what? Freethinkers? That is why Islam
 has created only garbage Ullemas and no experts in any
 subject, Study Quran and figure out how to travel to Mars?
 That is the difference between a Jew and a Muslim. 

 Please do not mix up
 which Hindus did not let others to drink water from the same
 well, That is another matter, Would a Bedouin allow others
 to drink water from the same well that he/she recently dug
 out? Why would a Saudi call Pakistanis slaves and
 Bangladeshis as poor Miskins? Do not think Islam is color
 blind and got no racism? Why did Pakis kill dark skinned
 Bengalee Muslims during 71 war? How many Arabs are marring
 African Negroes?

 On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at
 11:14 AM, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
 wrote:
 Tribal
 Gods mandate one belief, because it is easy for them to
 rule. That notion is still alive among many muslim because
 they still under the spell of kafir . One of the main
 characteristics of that culture is dominance, if you cannot
 dominate anybody , then you are nobody.



  A similar notions also found in the orthodox group. It is
 more mainstream among unsophisticated Muslims. Unfortunately
 after discovery of oil and the installing uneducated
 famalies in power in saudi, kawit, Iran other oil rich
 countries, fate of muslims took turn for worse. When British
 were criminalizing barbaric Hindu practices of femicide and
 torching their mother, sister, daughter or neighborhood
 little girl for being unfortunate widow, they unwittingly
 strengthen the educated in middle East, which has sway over
 the  vast segment of muslims.



 There hardly any difference between Secular Hindu, Muslims
 and Jews. If you take the Hindu belt states in India, it is
 pretty dismal. People got bruttaly killed for drinking
 from  same water hole as so called higher caste. If you
 stack backward segment from one community against Secular
 from another community , that is not scientific way of
 analyzing.



 Count of tenure at MIT is not a good gauge a cultures. At
 point there were more tenured professors from turkey or
 Italy than there  was from India, even though much more
 Indians enrolled in scientific field. Now probably the
 opposite is true. As said it is a testament individuals more
 than of culture.



 It is true, Muslim world in general took a turn to
 backwardness  after Soviet invasion of Afganistan, when
 west facilitated the dark force in muslim world to get them
 fight Soviet. Rest is history​.









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 On Mon, 7/3/17, DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>
 wrote:



  Subject: Re: Fw: {PFC-Friends} Is India Restaging
 'Sikkim Saga' in Bangladesh?

  To: "Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>

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  Date: Monday, July 3, 2017, 9:13 AM



  No Muslim

  autocratic rule! Thank you. These people need to take
 some

  great lessons in Democracy and Political science to
 apply

  for any such top jobs.



  On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at

  12:18 AM, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>

  wrote:

  "Hazrat Shah Neamatullah has also predicted

  the re-unification of India, but with a caveat.....
 under

  Muslim rule ... or so I have heard."   ;;
 Javed Helali

  :

  Who is this  so called prophet by the name Shah

  Neamatullah, who;s prophecies makes you so confident
 about

  the future. If you have seen future tell us more about
 it.

   



      On Sunday, July 2,

  2017 8:34 PM, DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>

  wrote:





   Persecution of Bangladeshi Hindus is not new.

  Muslim majority countries habitually cleanse its
 minority

  population. The phenomenon is rather global. No wonder
 why

  Israelis are expanding their empire.



  If for some reason, some thousand Hindus are

  suddenly driven out from Bangladesh, a heavy price will
 have

  to be paid by Bangladeshi Muslims and its government.

  Chitagong Hill tracts region will secede and India
 would

  declare a safe zone area for the Hindus in Bangladesh.
 Would

  Bangladesh dare to fight insurgents for next two
 decades

  like Srilankans did with Tamils? Good luck! 



  Rohinga Bangladeshis would be

  pushed towards Bangladesh from Burma. What are you going
 to

  do? Start a new jihad? Don't underestimate Hindus
 in

  Bangladesh! They know exact location of Bangladeshi
 jugular

  vein. They can make your life more miserable if they
 really

  want. I would suggest you not to take that route. There
 are

  more Bangladeshi Muslims live in India than Hindus in

  Bangladesh. Think about it! If you want to be another

  Pakistan in eastern frontier, you will be treated as
 such

  with no mercy.



  On

  Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Mohammed Shoaib <shoaib187@yahoo.com>

  wrote:

  India

  has deployed one soldier for every ten Kashmiris.  And
 yet,

  can not fight stone-throwing children to victory! 
 Good

  luck against China or Pakistan.  It's always the
 man

  behind the gun that really matters.  The soldiers
 fighting

  in Kashmir are the descendants of the soldiers who

  surrendered/retreated in Sino-Indian War (1962).  There
 is

  nothing to suggest that their gene pool has turned any
 more

  "Martial".  China is still in occupation of
 about

  30,000 Sq.Miles of India-Occupied Kashmir.  Instead of

  raping, killing, burning innocent Kashmiri men, women
 and

  children -- they ought to focus their guns elsewhere to

  recoup territory lost to China. For about 40 long years
 --

  India has been trying to make an indigenous Fighter Jet

  (Tej).  While the name may be inspiring -- Tej has yet
 to

  see the "Daylight".  So much for your
 vaunted

  leap skyward.

  Now,

  more to the point, coming closer to home.  If I were a

  Bangladeshi-Hindu, instead of comparing the benefits of

  urine (Cow vs. Camel) -- I would lead a delegation of

  prominent Hindus to speak to the Indian High Commissioner
 in

  Dhaka.  I would persuade and convince him that the
 current

  mob-lynchings of Muslims in India creates a very toxic
 and

  vicious environment for Bangladeshi Hindus.  But if I
 cheer

  Murderous Modi and his fanatic Hindu Thugs -- a day
 will

  come when I will be lynched in Shonar Bangla when
 others

  will cheer.  This is called, "Vaghobaner

  Bicher".  Just think of Biharis in
 1971.  Best

  wishes.

  Shoaib





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   To: Khoniker Othithee

  <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>



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   Sent: Sunday, July 2,

  2017 6:59 AM

   Subject: Re: Fw:

  {PFC-Friends} Is India Restaging 'Sikkim Saga' in

  Bangladesh?



  While

  Tibet issue is still burning, China would not dare to go
 for

  another war with India. If Dalailama opts for violence
 in

  Tibet, China would not be able to contain the violence
 from

  these fearless Tibetians. It knows India would never

  hesitate to push the nuclear button if it feels
 threatened.

  Indian mentality is not the same as it was in 1962 as
 the

  new Chankya gang is in power. If the country can

  successfully send the Mars probe to its right place with
 a

  single try, it can deliver the real goods to Chinese

  premier's residence with far more accurate
 precision.

  So, the simple message for the Chinks is not to fuk
 around

  with the Indians but to deal with its rather smaller
 weaker

  neighbors. I understand that many Islamist want China
 to

  take over the world as if that would help any Muslim
 cause?

  US/UK did not deliver anything to Muslim nations and
 they

  think China will?? What an idiocy!



  Even smaller Vietnam troubled

  China in 1979 (http://nationalinterest.org/

  blog/the-buzz/27-days-hell-
 when-china-vietnam-went-war-

  19596) by handing it a defeat to its
 'superior'

  red army! . China wanted to
 teach a lesson to Vietnam but

  instead learned a lesson from that disastrous adventure.
  





  On

  Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 9:48 PM, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>

  wrote:

  In 1962 war both, India and China

  had comparable in terms technology but China had edge
 in

  number. In 1965, then Pak had few more advance fleet
 than

  what India had; so had some early success. But that
 would

  have changed, if Shastri , then Indian PM Shastri was a

  humble but sophisticated man, who took city bus to his

  inauguration ceremony​ as PM; he didn't see any
 glory

  worth the loss of large Innocent civilians , almost all

  great mind in the history of mankind would have share
 his

  views.







  In 1967 Arab Israel , with smaller Miltrary overwhelmed
 much

  larger army of Arab Army, not because they are warrior,
 but

  because of the high end Air force with Mirage , which
 which

  kept Egypt , Syria and Jordan on the ground.







  The today, centuries of battle history doesn't
 account

  for anything any more. US has very big edge in sky, all

  because of AWACS (Airborne Warning And Command Systems).
 It

  helped US in  gulf wars. In one scenario, they shoot
 down

  80 Soviet high end fighter plane without losing  a
 single

  plane; all because, not so much for their superior pilot
 or

  plane but for Awacs. What Russia has today doesn't
 quite

  match, because it is land based. That takes days to get
 in

  place when AWACS in hours.







  China reportedly has some new technology that may
 offset

  many US technologies, that is not likely to happen in
 next

  decade.







  If India can get many Awacs, even a scale down then
 China

  will shy away from sny major dumb headed adventurism.
 More

  over china govt is not so much for cheap glory, because
 of

  it's size , they feel self assured unlike Putin
 Russia.

  What it is doing, it keeping India busy fighting
 it's

  citizens in North East. North Indian treat them as from

  inferior race, just Pakistani just like did to bengali.
 Also

  using their economy, investing 40 billion in India.
 That

  will make hard for India politicians go too far with

  hostility without paying big price.







  So, it is futile to bring centuries old battle history
 to

  predict future wars. Though fools may it entertaining 
 when

  they don't have going.




























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