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[ALOCHONA] World Without Islam - Review



 World Without Islam - Review

A World Without Islam, by Graham E. Fuller proposes to tell the reader how different, or not, the world would be if Islam never existed.  I was anxious to start reading.  I was curious to see what a world without Islam would be like.  The author fails to truly answer his own question thoroughly, but generally he thinks the world would be no different at all.  How can that be?

The answer seems to be clear to Mr. Fuller:  The cause of violence in the world is the fault AWorldWithoutIslam of religious incarnations of Christians and Jews, the West, and more recently the United States of America and George W. Bush.  That may be boiling down Mr. Fuller's book a little too much.  I actually agree with one or two of his suggestions as to what must take place in the future.  Let me explain.

In the Introduction to the book, Mr. Fuller mentions the Muslim struggle against colonial power and explains in brief to the reader what the body of the book contains and tells the reader that policies and perspectives must change sharply if we are ever going to get out of the present morass that has been so costly to everyone.

Mr. Fuller fills the book with history from beginning to present covering Islam and the Abrahamic Faiths;  Power, Heresy, and the Evolution of ChristianityByzantium versus Rome:  Warring Christian polarities;  Islam Meets Eastern Christianity;  The Great Crusades (1095-1272);  Shared Echoes:  The Protestant Reformation;  and that's just part one of the book.

I won't get into the history which is the largest portion of the book, but I will share with you bits of the last chapter "What to Do? Toward a New Policy with the Muslim World".  Mr. Fuller writes:

Terrorism in the Middle East and elsewhere can eventually be greatly reduced, but only as the conditions that promote it recedeEver greater efforts by US armies to hunt down and kill the existing radicals only produce new, more motivated generations of radicals.  Military action may organizationally weaken them, but their numbers are quickly bolstered by the present shock troops of a Muslim foreign legion traveling from conflict zone to conflict zone, or to return to violence against their own authoritarian regimes -- often American-supported. (pg 296)  [snip]

In the end, the burdan [sic] of ending terrorism falls upon Muslim populations themselves.  But for this to happen, there must first be an end to the conditions that foster this radicalism and that generate widespread anti-Americanism.  In the bluntest terms, that means no more foreign boots on the ground in Muslim countries, and no more foreign military attacks by foreign soldiers -- images that remain daily fare on all the television screens of the world, except in America itself. (pg297)   [snip]

"Zero tolerance for terrorism" is another slogan that needs to disappear. (pg297) [snip]

President Obama's change of style and direction in Washington and his openness to new approaches have commanded much attention in the Muslim world.  It is apparent to all that he understands the feelings and motivations of the Muslim world and other developing nations. (pg 298) [snip]

Grand Strategy

In keeping with the title of this book, Washington should act as if Islam did not exist in formulating its policies in the Middle East.  [snip]

In order to reduce the present confrontation between the Muslim world and the United States, the following specific steps need to be taken:

  • Western interventionism and military and political actions in the Muslim world -- all highly provocative to Muslims -- must cease so that the area can begin to calm.  This means withdrawal of all US and Western forces from Muslim soil.

  • Efforts to identify and stymie terrorist acts must be carried out through intelligence and police work. ....

  • The United States must withdraw its special support from pro-American dictators ...

  • Democratization must be allowed to proceed in the Muslim world, but Washington must not be the vehicle for its implantation.  [snip]

  • An early solution to the Palestinian problem must be found. ...the general outlines of which are well known to all parties.  The Israeli colonization efforts in Palestinian territories must end and be reversed.

  • If only a tenth of the potentially one trillion dollars squandered by Washington on Middle East wars, which have sown death and destruction with little to show for it, could be devoted to building schools, universities, hospitals, clinics, and training institutes, the region would be transformed, the US image would soar, and huge regional progress could be made in living conditions.

You see why I have mixed feelings about Mr. Fuller's opinions.  I would love to see all our military come home, with no American boots on the ground in Muslim countries.  But we have every right to defend our nation and track down those who threaten us. The fact is we are building schools, hospitals, universities etc. while we are fighting two wars.  

I'm no fan of going into a country to democratize it, let them come to democracy in their own time.  We don't need to try to change the culture of any other people and I believe that those immigrating to our country should accept our own culture.  

As to the Palestinian problem, there will be no solution any time soon because the only solution that the Palestinians, led by Hamas, want is Israel gone, completely and forever gone.

Mr. Fuller praises Obama in the book, yet wrote in the Huffington Post in May 2009, "For all the talk of "smart power," President Obama is pressing down the same path of failure in Pakistan marked out by George Bush."   Well, which is it?  Obama understands the Muslim world or he's following in Bush's footsteps?

Mr. Fuller has a full resume:

Graham E. Fuller is an American author and political analyst, specializing in Islamic extremism.[1] Formerly vice-chair of the National Intelligence Council[2], he also served as Station Chief in Kabul for the CIA. A "think piece" that Fuller wrote for the CIA was identified as instrumental in leading to the Iran-contra affair.[3][4] After a career in the United States State Department and CIA lasting 27 years,[5] he joined Rand Corporation as senior political scientist specializing in the Middle East.[3][6][7] As of 2006, he was affiliated with the Simon Fraser University in Vancouver, Canada as an adjunct professor of history.[8] He is the author of a number of books, including The Future of Political Islam.[9]

On the one hand I think it is good that we have a wide range of thinkers when it comes to national security and intelligence, but I find it disturbing that someone who seems so obviously friendly toward Islam and seems so obviously pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel has served on the National Intelligence Council and is a university professor.  But perhaps I have misjudged Mr. Fuller.  Perhaps he played devil's advocate a bit too well, but I don't think so.

http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2010/07/a-world-without-islam-review.html

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A WORLD WITHOUT ISLAM

FOREIGN POLICY  Jan-Feb 2008

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/users/login.php?story_id=4094&URL=http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4094



What if Islam had never existed? To some, it's a comforting thought: No clash of civilizations, no holy wars, no terrorists. Would Christianity have taken over the world? Would the Middle East be a peaceful beacon of democracy? Would 9/11 have happened? In fact, remove Islam from the path of history, and the world ends up pretty much where it is today.

By Graham E. Fuller
Graham E. Fuller is a former vice chairman of the National Intelligence Council at the CIA in charge of long-range strategic forecasting. He is currently adjunct professor of history at Simon Fraser University in Vancouver. He is the author of numerous books about the Middle East, including The Future of Political Islam (New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2003).

Imagine, if you will, a world without Islam. admittedly an almost inconceivable state of affairs given its charged centrality in our daily news headlines. Islam seems to lie behind a broad range of international disorders: suicide attacks, car bombings, military occupations, resistance struggles, riots, fatwas, jihads, guerrilla warfare, threatening videos, and 9/11 itself. "Islam" seems to offer an instant and uncomplicated analytical touchstone, enabling us to make sense of today's convulsive world. Indeed, for some neoconservatives, "Islamofascism" is now our sworn foe in a looming "World War III".


But indulge me for a moment. What if there were no such thing as Islam? What if there had never been a Prophet Mohammed, no saga of the spread of Islam across vast parts of the Middle East, Asia, and Africa?
Given our intense current focus on terrorism, war, and rampant anti-Americanism—some of the most emotional international issues of the day—it's vital to understand the true sources of these crises. Is Islam, in fact, the source of the problem, or does it tend to lie with other less obvious and deeper factors?

For the sake of argument, in an act of historical imagination, picture a Middle East in which Islam had never appeared. Would we then be spared many of the current challenges before us? Would the Middle East be more peaceful? How different might the character of East-West relations be? Without Islam, surely the international order would present a very different picture than it does today. Or would it?

IF NOT ISLAM, THEN WHAT?
>From the earliest days of a broader Middle East, Islam has seemingly shaped the cultural norms and even political preferences of its followers. How can we then separate Islam from the Middle East? As it turns out, it's not so hard to imagine.

Let's start with ethnicity. Without Islam, the face of the region still remains complex and conflicted. The dominant ethnic groups of the Middle East-- Arabs, Persians, Turks, Kurds, Jews, even Berbers and Pashtuns--would still dominate politics. Take the Persians: Long before Islam, successive great Persian empires pushed to the doors of Athens and were the perpetual rivals of whoever inhabited Anatolia. Contesting Semitic peoples, too, fought the Persians across the Fertile Crescent and into Iraq. And then there are the powerful forces of diverse Arab tribes and traders expanding and migrating into other Semitic areas of the Middle East before Islam. Mongols would still have overrun and destroyed the civilizations of Central Asia and much of the Middle East in the 13th century. Turks still would have conquered Anatolia, the Balkans up to Vienna, and most of the Middle East. These struggles--over power, territory, influence, and trade--existed long before Islam arrived.

Still, it's too arbitrary to exclude religion entirely from the equation. If in fact Islam had never emerged, most of the Middle East would have remained predominantly Christian in its various sects, just as it had been at the dawn of Islam. Apart from some Zoroastrians and small numbers of Jews, no other major religions were present.

But would harmony with the West really have reigned if the whole Middle East had remained Christian? That is a far reach. We would have to assume that a restless and expansive medieval European world would not have projected its power and hegemony into the neighboring East in search of economic and geopolitical footholds. After all, what were the Crusades if not a Western adventure driven primarily by political, social, and economic needs? The banner of Christianity was little more than a potent symbol, a rallying cry to bless the more secular urges of powerful Europeans. In fact, the particular religion of the natives never figured highly in the West's imperial push across the globe. Europe may have spoken upliftingly about bringing "Christian values to the natives," but the patent goal was to establish colonial outposts as sources of wealth for the metropole and bases for Western power projection.

And so it's unlikely that Christian inhabitants of the Middle East would have welcomed the stream of European fleets and their merchants backed by Western guns. Imperialism would have prospered in the region's complex ethnic mosaic--the raw materials for the old game of divide and rule. And Europeans still would have installed the same pliable local rulers to accommodate their needs.

Move the clock forward to the age of oil in the Middle East. Would Middle Eastern states, even if Christian, have welcomed the establishment of Euro-pean protectorates over their region? Hardly. The West still would have built and controlled the same choke points, such as the Suez Canal. It wasn't Islam that made Middle Eastern states powerfully resist the colonial project, with its drastic redrawing of borders in accordance with European geopolitical preferences. Nor would Middle Eastern Christians have welcomed imperial Western oil companies, backed by their European viceregents, diplomats, intelligence agents, and armies, any more than Muslims did. Look at the long history of Latin American reactions to American domination of their oil, economics, and politics. The Middle East would have been equally keen to create nationalist anticolonial movements to wrest control of their own soil, markets, sovereignty, and destiny from foreign grip--just like anticolonial struggles in Hindu India, Confucian China, Buddhist Vietnam, and a Christian and animist Africa.

And surely the French would have just as readily expanded into a Christian Algeria to seize its rich farmlands and establish a colony. The Italians, too, never let Ethiopia's Christianity stop them from turning that country into a harshly administered colony. In short, there is no reason to believe that a Middle Eastern reaction to the European colonial ordeal would have differed significantly from the way it actually reacted under Islam.

But maybe the Middle East would have been more democratic without Islam? The history of dictatorship in Europe itself is not reassuring here. Spain and Portugal ended harsh dictatorships only in the mid-1970s. Greece only emerged from church-linked dictatorship a few decades ago. Christian Russia is still not out of the woods. Until quite recently, Latin America was riddled with dictators, who often reigned with U.S. blessing and in partnership with the Catholic Church. Most Christian African nations have not fared much better. Why would a Christian Middle East have looked any different?

And then there is Palestine. It was, of course, Christians who shamelessly persecuted Jews for more than a millennium, culminating in the Holocaust. These horrific examples of anti-Semitism were firmly rooted in Western Christian lands and culture. Jews would therefore have still sought a homeland outside Europe; the Zionist movement would still have emerged and sought a base in Palestine. And the new Jewish state would still have dislodged the same 750,000 Arab natives of Palestine from their lands even if they had been Christian--and indeed some of them were. Would not these Arab Palestinians have fought to protect or regain their own land? The Israeli-Palestinian problem remains at heart a national, ethnic, and territorial conflict, only recently bolstered by religious slogans. And let's not forget that Arab Christians played a major role in the early emergence of the whole Arab nationalist movement in the Middle East; indeed, the ideological founder of the first pan-Arab Ba.th party, Michel Aflaq, was a Sorbonne-educated Syrian Christian.

But surely Christians in the Middle East would have at least been religiously predisposed toward the West? Couldn't we have avoided all that religious strife? In fact, the Christian world itself was torn by heresies from the early centuries of Christian power, heresies that became the very vehicle of political opposition to Roman or Byzantine power. Far from uniting under religion, the West's religious wars invariably veiled deeper ethnic, strategic, political, economic, and cultural struggles for dominance.

Even the very references to a "Christian Middle East" conceal an ugly animosity. Without Islam, the peoples of the Middle East would have remained as they were at the birth of Islam--mostly adherents of Eastern Orthodox Christianity. But it's easy to forget that one of history's most enduring, virulent, and bitter religious controversies was that between the Catholic Church in Rome and Eastern Orthodox Christianity in Constantinople--a rancor that still persists today. Eastern Orthodox Christians never forgot or forgave the sacking of Christian Constantinople by Western Crusaders in 1204. Nearly 800 years later, in 1999, Pope John Paul II sought to take a few small steps to heal the breach in the first visit of a Catholic pope to the Orthodox world in a thousand years. It was a start, but friction between East and West in a Christian Middle East would have remained much as it is today. Take Greece, for example: The Orthodox cause has been a powerful driver behind nationalism and anti-Western feeling there, and anti-Western passions in Greek politics, as little as a decade ago, echoed the same suspicions and virulent views of the West that we hear from many Islamist leaders today.

The culture of the Orthodox Church differs sharply from the Western post-Enlightenment ethos, which emphasizes secularism, capitalism, and the primacy of the individual. It still maintains residual fears about the West that parallel in many ways current Muslim insecurities: fears of Western missionary proselytism, the perception of religion as a key vehicle for the protection and preservation of their own communities and culture, and a suspicion of the "corrupted" and imperial character of the West. Indeed, in an Orthodox Christian Middle East, Moscow would enjoy special influence, even today, as the last major center of Eastern Orthodoxy. The Orthodox world would have remained a key geopolitical arena of East-West rivalry in the Cold War. Samuel Huntington, after all, included the Orthodox Christian world among several civilizations embroiled in a cultural clash with the West.

Today, the U.S. occupation of Iraq would be no more welcome to Iraqis if they were Christian. The United States did not overthrow Saddam Hussein, an intensely nationalist and secular leader, because he was Muslim. Other Arab peoples would still have supported the Iraqi Arabs in their trauma of occupation. Nowhere do people welcome foreign occupation and the killing of their citizens at the hands of foreign troops. Indeed, groups threatened by such outside forces invariably cast about for appropriate ideologies to justify and glorify their resistance struggle. Religion is one such ideology.

This, then, is the portrait of a putative "world without Islam". It is a Middle East dominated by Eastern Orthodox Christianity--a church historically and psychologically suspicious of, even hostile to, the West. Still riven by major ethnic and even sectarian differences, this Middle East possesses a fierce sense of historical consciousness and grievance against the West. It has been invaded repeatedly by Western imperialist armies; its resources commandeered; its borders redrawn by Western fiat in conformity with the West's various interests; and regimes established that are compliant with Western dictates. Palestine would still burn. Iran would still be intensely nationalistic. We would still see Palestinians resist Jews, Chechens resist Russians, Iranians resist the British and Americans, Kashmiris resist Indians, Tamils resist the Sinhalese in Sri Lanka, and Uighurs and Tibetans resist the Chinese. The Middle East would still have a glorious historical model--the great Byzantine Empire of more than 2,000 years standing—with which to identify as a cultural and religious symbol. It would, in many respects, perpetuate an East-West divide.

It does not present an entirely peaceful and comforting picture.

UNDER THE PROPHET'S BANNER
It is, of course, absurd to argue that the existence of Islam has had no independent impact on the Middle East or East-West relations. Islam has provided a unifying force of a high order across a wide region. As a global universal faith, it has created a broad civilization that shares many common principles of philosophy, the arts, and society; a vision of the moral life; a sense of justice, jurisprudence, and good governance--all in a deeply rooted high culture. As a cultural and moral force, Islam has helped bridge ethnic differences among diverse Muslim peoples, encouraging them to feel part of a broader Muslim civilizational project. That alone furnishes it with great weight. Islam affected political geography as well: If there had been no Islam, the Muslim countries of South Asia and Southeast Asia today--particularly Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, and Indonesia--would be rooted instead in the Hindu world.

Islamic civilization provided a common ideal to which all Muslims could appeal in the name of resistance against Western encroachment. Even if that appeal failed to stem the Western imperial tide, it created a cultural memory of a commonly shared fate that did not go away. Europeans were able to divide and conquer numerous African, Asian, and Latin American peoples who then fell singly before Western power. A united, transnational resistance among those peoples was hard to achieve in the absence of any common ethnic or cultural symbol of resistance.

In a world without Islam, Western imperialism would have found the task of dividing, conquering, and dominating the Middle East and Asia much eas-ier. There would not have remained a shared cultural memory of humiliation and defeat across a vast area. That is a key reason why the United States now finds itself breaking its teeth upon the Muslim world. Today, global intercommunications and shared satellite images have created a strong self-consciousness among Muslims and a sense of a broader Western imperial siege against a common Islamic culture. This siege is not about modernity; it is about the unceasing Western quest for domination of the strategic space, resources, and even culture of the Muslim world--the drive to create a "pro-American" Middle East. Unfortunately, the United States naïvely assumes that Islam is all that stands between it and the prize.

But what of terrorism--the most urgent issue the West most immediately associates with Islam today? In the bluntest of terms, would there have been a 9/11 without Islam? If the grievances of the Middle East, rooted in years of political and emotional anger at U.S. policies and actions, had been wrapped up in a different banner, would things have been vastly different? Again, it's important to remember how easily religion can be invoked even when other long-standing grievances are to blame. Sept. 11, 2001, was not the beginning of history. To the al Qaeda hijackers, Islam functioned as a magnifying glass in the sun, collecting these widespread shared common grievances and focusing them into an intense ray, a moment of clarity of action against the foreign invader.

In the West's focus on terrorism in the name of Islam, memories are short. Jewish guerrillas used terrorism against the British in Palestine. Sri Lankan Hindu Tamil "Tigers" invented the art of the suicide vest and for more than a decade led the world in the use of suicide bombings--including the assassination of Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi. Greek terrorists carried out assassination operations against U.S. officials in Athens. Organized Sikh terrorism killed Indira Gandhi, spread havoc in India, established an overseas base in Canada, and brought down an Air India flight over the Atlantic. Macedonian terrorists were widely feared all across the Balkans on the eve of World War I. Dozens of major assassinations in the late 19th and early 20th centuries were carried out by European and American "anarchists," sowing collective fear. The Irish Republican Army employed brutally effective terrorism against the British for decades, as did communist guerrillas and terrorists in Vietnam against Americans, communist Malayans against British soldiers in the 1950s, Mau-Mau terrorists against British officers in Kenya--the list goes on. It doesn't take a Muslim to commit terrorism.

Even the recent history of terrorist activity doesn't look much different. According to Europol, 498 terrorist attacks took place in the European Union in 2006. Of these, 424 were perpetrated by separatist groups, 55 by left-wing extremists, and 18 by various other terrorists. Only 1 was carried out by Islamists. To be sure, there were a number of foiled attempts in a highly surveilled Muslim community. But these figures reveal the broad ide-ological range of potential terrorists in the world.

Is it so hard to imagine then, Arabs--Christian or Muslim--angered at Israel or imperialism's constant invasions, overthrows, and interventions employing similar acts of terrorism and guerrilla warfare? The question might be instead, why didn't it happen sooner? As radical groups articulate grievances in our globalized age, why should we not expect them to carry their struggle into the heart of the West?

If Islam hates modernity, why did it wait until 9/11 to launch its assault? And why did key Islamic thinkers in the early 20th century speak of the need to embrace modernity even while protecting Islamic culture? Osama bin Laden's cause in his early days was not modernity at all--he talked of Palestine, American boots on the ground in Saudi Arabia, Saudi rulers under U.S. control, and modern "Crusaders." It is striking that it was not until as late as 2001 that we saw the first major boiling over of Muslim anger onto U.S. soil itself, in reaction to historical as well as accumulated recent events and U.S. policies. If not 9/11, some similar event like it was destined to come.

And even if Islam as a vehicle of resistance had never existed, Marxism did. It is an ideology that has spawned countless terrorist, guerrilla, and national liberation movements. It has informed the Basque ETA, the FARC in Colombia, the Shining Path in Peru, and the Red Army Faction in Europe, to name only a few in the West. George Habash, the founder of the deadly Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, was a Greek Orthodox Christian and Marxist who studied at the American University of Beirut. In an era when angry Arab nationalism flirted with violent Marxism, many Christian Palestinians lent Habash their support.

Peoples who resist foreign oppressors seek banners to propagate and glorify the cause of their struggle. The international class struggle for justice provides a good rallying point. Nationalism is even better. But religion provides the best one of all, appealing to the highest powers in prosecuting its cause. And religion everywhere can still serve to bolster ethnicity and nationalism even as it transcends it—especially when the enemy is of a different religion. In such cases, religion ceases to be primarily the source of clash and confrontation, but rather its vehicle. The banner of the moment may go away, but the grievances remain.

We live in an era when terrorism is often the chosen instrument of the weak. It already stymies the unprecedented might of U.S. armies in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. And thus bin Laden in many non-Muslim societies has been called the "next Che Guevara." It's nothing less than the appeal of successful resistance against dominant American power, the weak striking back.an appeal that transcends Islam or Middle Eastern culture.

MORE OF THE SAME
But the question remains, if Islam didn't exist, would the world be more peaceful? In the face of these tensions between East and West, Islam unquestionably adds yet one more emotive element, one more layer of complications to finding solutions. Islam is not the cause of such problems. It may seem sophisticated to seek out passages in the Koran that seem to explain "why they hate us." But that blindly misses the nature of the phenomenon. How comfortable to identify Islam as the source of "the problem"; it'scertainly much easier than exploring the impact of the massive global footprint of the world's sole superpower.

A world without Islam would still see most of the enduring bloody rivalries whose wars and tribulations dominate the geopolitical landscape. If it were not religion, all of these groups would have found some other banner under which to express nationalism and a quest for independence. Sure, history would not have followed the exact same path as it has. But, at rock bottom, conflict between East and West remains all about the grand historical and geopolitical issues of human history: ethnicity, nationalism, ambition, greed, resources, local leaders, turf, financial gain, power, interventions, and hatred of outsiders, invaders, and imperialists. Faced with timeless issues like these, how could the power of religion not be invoked?

Remember too, that virtually every one of the principle horrors of the 20th century came almost exclusively from strictly secular regimes: Leopold II of Belgium in the Congo, Hitler, Mussolini, Lenin and Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. It was Europeans who visited their "world wars" twice upon the rest of the world—two devastating global conflicts with no remote parallels in Islamic history.

Some today might wish for a "world without Islam" in which these problems presumably had never come to be. But, in truth, the conflicts, rivalries, and crises of such a world might not look so vastly different than the ones we know today.



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[ALOCHONA] Our leaders’ penchant for big house



Our leaders' penchant for big house
 
Arshad Mahmud
          

The dust appears to have settled, at least for now, over Khaleda Zia's Cantonment house. And I thought this is time to take a dispassionate look at the whole saga that seemed to have deflected public attention from more pressing issues afflicting the nation.

I must say that I couldn't help but feel sad for Begum Zia when she wept publicly at a news conference after she was allegedly driven out of her cozy home. It was quite a spectacle to watch the second most powerful (wo)man in the country breakdown under the glare of TV cameras, especially for someone who has earned the nickname "aposh-hin netri" for her resolve, steadfastness and determination fighting against all odds.

But then, of course, it shows that we're all human beings and that we all react to certain personal loss more or less the same way irrespective of our social and financial standing. So it was pretty natural for Begum Zia to behave the way she did instead of appearing calm and resolute when she was forced to leave behind all the memories associated with the house of nearly 40 years.

That said, I must confess that my sympathy for her began to wear off as I kept thinking about the whole episode. She is certainly not the hapless widow burdened with two minor sons and no visible income to sustain her family that prompted then army chief Gen Ershad to give that house along with another big house in upscale Gulshan. (Ershad did it more for political expediency than his sympathy for her. But that's another story.)

Her financial insecurity and supposed helplessness ended nearly 30 years ago when she decided to take the helm of the Bangladesh nationalist Party in 1983. Over the years, she is not known to have suffered any financial setback. In fact, there has been a phenomenal rise in the fortunes of her immediate family members since she first became prime minister in 1991. Not to speak of her two sons who don't seem to have any difficulties marinating their families overseas without any visible sources of income, her brothers and sisters all have very comfortable lifestyles. By the way, the magic wand that transformed their lives never seemed to have touched the immediate family members of Gen. Ziaur Rahman. We actually never heard of his brothers and sisters when Zia was alive. Nor did we hear about Begum Zia's siblings during his time as president.

That is why I think it was unconscionable, repugnant and downright wrong for Begum Zia to stubbornly cling to that house situated on three acres of land, despite the fact that she has another house in Gulshan, in addition to the official residence at Minto Road earmarked for the opposition leader.

In fact, it would have been morally and politically appropriate if she had left voluntarily as soon as the controversy began. She had indeed lost her moral right to live in cantonment after she entered politics. The move perhaps would have won her public sympathy and more importantly, she would have been more accessible to her supporters and workers.

I would also blame her senior party leaders for not advising her to live outside cantonment. But then what would you expect from characters like Barrister Moudud and Khandker Delwar, both known for not having any scruple at all. Just to refresh your memory, Gen Zia sacked Moudud from his cabinet on charges of corruption. Khandker Delwar, on the other hand, reported to have regularly taken food supplies for his house from the Parliament cafeteria during his time as chief whip.

In this context, I would like to thank Salahuddin Quader Chowdhury. He is the only senior BNP leader to have the guts to publicly say that Begum Zia, as a major political figure, should have left the cantonment house and instead live in a public place.

I also found it amusing when Begum Zia called herself 'homeless'. I thought she made a mockery of the hundreds of thousands of genuine homeless people and it was an insult to their sufferings. Frankly, it would have been a great thing for Bangladesh had all its homeless people had the luxury of owning a house in Gulshan like Begum Zia.

I do not know how and when this saga would finally end and I don't think the Supreme Court hearing on Nov 29 would do much to dampen the controversy. What I do know, though, that the vast multitude have no interest in the unfolding drama.

Many think, and rightly so, that the whole affair is nothing but an ugly manifestation of the personal rivalry between Sheikh Hasina and Begum Zia. And I cannot blame them. What the vast majority have come to experience over the years is that these two leaders are more interested in bettering their personal and family members' fortunes than the wellbeing of the common people.

Sheikh Hasina, despite her claim of championing the cause of the have-nots,  also  demonstrated her penchant for big house when as prime minister she awarded herself the ownership of 'Gonobhaban' and another house in Dhanmondi for her sister, Sheikh Hasina. (The subsequent caretaker government cancelled the order for 'Gonobhaban' while the BNP government in 2001 cancelled Rehana's).

So folks, get ready for more drama and more chaos in the coming days. And, rest assured that the turmoil that would ensue with the threat of BNP's "all-out movement" against the government would hardly disrupt the lives of the two 'netris'. They will be safely ensconced in their big houses, served by a retinue of flunkies.

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Arshad Mahmud is a senior editor and Washington Correspondent for bdnews24.com

http://opinion.bdnews24.com/2010/11/22/our-leaders%E2%80%99-penchant-for-big-house/



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[ALOCHONA] Re: The war of 1971: Civil War or Liberation War?

Nobody makes more personal attacks than you on this forum. This is understandable because you are the most hate filled commentator here. You wildly hurl the word Mullah, Pakistani and Jihadi to insult others at each and every turn.

Pakistan is irrelevant to Bangladesh. Terrorism in the name of Islam is abhorrent. And we desperately need the reorganistaion of our mosques and Mullahs.

You can't see any rebuttal through your hate filled eyes.

You may love BD more than India. But you still love India enough to never stand to complain about her on any subject :)


--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ANDREWL" <turkman@...> wrote:
>
> Instead of giving a rebuttal, you just started attacking me personally and then repeated yourself just like most of the Pro Pakistan Mollaas do.
> I do not love India more than BD but I guess, you hate India just like your Paki Brothers that you are in love of secretly.
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" <Ezajur@> wrote:
> >
> > No one said they loved Pakistan. Though if you love India you should just declare it. Don't be shy.
> >
> > No one said Indians were massacring Bangladeshis. Though if you don't mind ur border killings just say so. Don't be shy.
> >
> > No one said the Pakistanis were loving masters. Though if you think the Indians are loving masters just say so. Don't be shy.
> >
> > The Pakistan yoke has switched for an Indian yoke. Its a simple statement. Your hatred for the Pakistanis is such that you wouldn't mind being savaged by an Indian -
> >
> > just as long as you are not being savaged by a Pakistani.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ANDREWL" <turkman@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for letting us know, ...
> > > .
> > > * ... Indian Army is everywhere in B.D. looting, raping and killing us since you claim, we just replaced Paki Yoke with Indian Yoke.
> > > * ... we are now India Occupied.
> > > * ... our Politicians working for India are now abusing us, when our loving Paki Masters never had such Politicians.
> > >
> > > Please let us know, if now you want to replace India with Pakistan so we can send you to a Mental Hospital of choice ...! One in B.D. or the big one, Pakistan.
> > > -------
> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Emanur Rahman" <emanur@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > While we are at it the war of 1971 was neither a civil war nor a war of liberation. It was a change in yoke only - India for Pakistan. Unless having a flag is the definition of freedom!
> > > >
> > > > Mind you, the way our politicians abuse us and the way we accept nee encourage and defend that abuse either there is an epidemic of Stockholm Syndrome or we are literally little more than cattle.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Emanur Rahman | m. +447734567561 | e. emanur@
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: "ezajur" <Ezajur@>
> > > > Sender: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:27:54
> > > > To: <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Reply-To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: The war of 1971: Civil War or Liberation War?
> > > >
> > > > What's with the "you people" business? Contempt for AL hoodlums and idiots does not always automatically translate into support for the hoodlums and idiots of other parties. Unless of course one is a hoodlum or idiot of AL and BNP in the first place.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ANDREWL" <turkman@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh sure and you people never chant any slogans, never come on streets and never vandalize. You just sit in your Mosques and pray for man-kind everyday, right?
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Emanur Rahman" <emanur@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This calls for an Awami League "missil" surely? They can burn cars, buses, books and fight running battles with a few policemen (unlikely) and chant great slogans about Mujib and his dynasty. In fact, anything but....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ....lodge any kind of meaningful protest with these respected academics and publishers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After all, who apart from themselves would take any of their drivel seriously??
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Emanur Rahman | m. +447734567561 | e. emanur@
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: "Mahbubur Razzaque" <mmrazzaque@>
> > > > > > Sender: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:48:00
> > > > > > To: <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>; <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Reply-To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Cc: <banglarnari@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] The war of 1971: Civil War or Liberation War?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The war of 1971: Civil War or Liberation War?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > M. Mahbubur Razzaque
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The recent incidents related to the international war-crime tribunal in
> > > > > > Bangladesh led me to look into the academic records on the war of 1971.
> > > > > > Though the Bangladeshi people considers the war as "liberation war" of
> > > > > > Bangladesh, the academic records of all international institutions generally
> > > > > > mentions it as either civil war or India-Pakistan war.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I browsed a number of popular encyclopedia such as:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Encyclopedia Britannica of Encyclopedia Britannica Inc.,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. World Encyclopedia, A Dictionary of World History, The Oxford
> > > > > > Encyclopedia of the Modern Islamic World and Concise Oxford Companion to the
> > > > > > English Language of Oxford University Press,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3. The Columbia Encyclopedia of Columbia University Press,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 4. Banglapedia: National Encyclopedia of Bangladesh of the Asiatic
> > > > > > Society of Bangladesh and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 5. MSN Encarta of Microsoft Inc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The records under the entry Bangladesh are listed below:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Bangladesh emerged as an independent and sovereign country on 16
> > > > > > December 1971 following a nine month WAR OF LIBERATION.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: Banglapedia: National Encyclopedia of Bangladesh, Vol. 1, Published
> > > > > > by the Asiatic Society of Bangladesh, March 2003.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. In 1971, the territory seceded from Pakistan during a short war
> > > > > > and became independent.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: Concise Oxford Companion to the English Language, 1998, Author: TOM
> > > > > > McARTHUR
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3. The Awami League a political party campaigned openly for
> > > > > > Bengali autonomy. In 1970 the Awami League won a majority of seats in the
> > > > > > National Assembly, but the Pakistan government postponed convening the
> > > > > > Assembly. Violence erupted and guerrilla warfare resulted. Millions of
> > > > > > refugees fled to India, which finally entered the war on the side of the
> > > > > > Bengalis and ensured West Pakistan's defeat. On December, 16, 1971, East
> > > > > > Bengal became the independent nation of Bangladesh, with the capital at
> > > > > > Dhaka.
> > > > > > S
> > > > > > ource: The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 1, Published by: Encyclopedia
> > > > > > Britannica Inc., 1994.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 4. In 1970 elections, the Awami League, led by Mujibur Rahman, won a
> > > > > > landslide victory. In March 1971, the League unilaterally declared
> > > > > > independence and civil war ensued. During nine months of fighting, more than
> > > > > > one million East Bengalis were killed and millions more forced into exile,
> > > > > > mainly to India. With Indian military assistance, East Bengal defeated
> > > > > > Pakistan and gained independence as Bangladesh.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: World Encyclopedia, Published by Oxford University Press, 2005.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 5. In 1966 the Awami League put forward a demand for greater
> > > > > > autonomy which it proposed to implement after its victory in the 1970
> > > > > > elections. In March 1971, when this demand was rejected by the military
> > > > > > government of Pakistan, civil war began, leading to a massive exodus of
> > > > > > refugees to India. India sent help to the East Pakistan guerrillas (the
> > > > > > Mukti Bahini). In the war of December 1971, Indian troops defeated the
> > > > > > Pakistan forces in East Pakistan. The independence of Bangladesh was
> > > > > > proclaimed in 1971 and recognized by Pakistan in 1974.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: A Dictionary of World History, Published by Oxford University Press,
> > > > > > 2000.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 6. The government's attempts to forestall the autonomy bid led to
> > > > > > general strikes and nonpayment of taxes in East Pakistan and finally to
> > > > > > civil war on Mar. 25, 1971. On the following day the Awami League's leaders
> > > > > > proclaimed the independence of Bangladesh. During the months of conflict an
> > > > > > estimated one million Bengalis were killed in East Pakistan and another 10
> > > > > > million fled into exile in India.
> > > > > > Source: The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed., 2007, Columbia University Press.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 7. By the mid 1950s Bengali enthusiasm for the Muslim League, which
> > > > > > had spearheaded Pakistani independence, became deeply eroded. The growing
> > > > > > rift between Pakistan's eastern and western wings broke into rebellion in
> > > > > > 1971, and, led by the secular nationalist Awami League, an independent
> > > > > > Bangladesh was born.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Modern Islamic World, Vol. 1: Editor
> > > > > > in chief: J. L.
> > > > > > Esposito, Published by: Oxford University Press, 1995.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Whether we like it or not, it is only the Banglapedia where the war of at
> > > > > > the birth of Bangladesh is reported as the WAR OF LIBERATION. This
> > > > > > encyclopedia is published by the Asiatic Society of Bangladesh.
> > > > > > Unfortunately other encyclopedias published by famous academic publishers
> > > > > > associated with renowned academic institutions reported the war as either a
> > > > > > civil war or a rebellion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The records of other entries under Mujibur Rahman, Dhaka, India, Pakistan
> > > > > > and India Pakistan Wars are listed below:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Entry: Mujibur RahmanThe conflict between East and West Pakistan climaxed
> > > > > > after the Dec., 1970, elections, in which the Awami League won a majority.
> > > > > > Zulfikar Ali Bhutto , leader of West Pakistan, refused to agree to demands
> > > > > > for autonomy, and Mujib was imprisoned in West Pakistan. Civil war broke out
> > > > > > in Mar., 1971, when Pakistani troops were sent to put down protests in East
> > > > > > Pakistan. With the aid of India, East Pakistani guerrillas proclaimed an
> > > > > > independent Bangladesh , and defeated the Pakistani army in late 1971.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition, 2007
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Entry: Dhaka
> > > > > > Severely damaged during the war of independence from Pakistan, it became
> > > > > > capital of independent Bangladesh (1971).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: World Encyclopedia, Published by Oxford University Press, 2005.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Entry: India
> > > > > > But these years also witnessed three brief wars between India and Pakistan,
> > > > > > the last of which resulted in an independent Bangladesh in 1971.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 6, Published by: Encyclopedia
> > > > > > Britannica Inc., 1994.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Entry: Pakistan:
> > > > > > In East Pakistan demands grew for Bengali autonomy, and civil war between
> > > > > > East and West erupted in 1971. Aided by an invasion of the Indian army, East
> > > > > > Pakistan became the independent county of Bangladesh in 1972.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 9, Published by: Encyclopedia
> > > > > > Britannica Inc., 1994.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > East Pakistan declared its independence as Bangladesh on Mar. 26, 1971, but
> > > > > > was then placed under martial law and occupied by the Pakistani army, which
> > > > > > was composed entirely of troops from West Pakistan. In the ensuing civil
> > > > > > war, some 10 million refugees fled to India and hundreds of thousands of
> > > > > > civilians were killed. India supported Bangladesh and on Dec. 3, 1971, sent
> > > > > > troops into East Pakistan. Following a two-week war between Pakistan and
> > > > > > India, in which fighting also broke out along the India-West Pakistan
> > > > > > border, Pakistani troops in East Pakistan surrendered (Dec. 16) and a cease-
> > > > > > fire was declared on all fronts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition, 2007
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Entry: India-Pakistan Wars The third war arose out of the civil war between
> > > > > > East and West Pakistan in 1971. India intervened in support of East Pakistan
> > > > > > (Bangladesh), and (West) Pakistan suffered a decisive defeat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: World Encyclopedia, Published by Oxford University Press, 2005.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The 1971 War
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Indo-Pakistani relations deteriorated when civil war erupted in Pakistan,
> > > > > > pitting the West Pakistan army against East Pakistanis demanding greater
> > > > > > autonomy. The fighting forced 10 million East Pakistani Bengalis to flee to
> > > > > > India.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed., 2007, Columbia University Press.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Article: Pakistan : wars : secession of Bangladesh: 1971: Pakistan
> > > > > > This year the differences between East Pakistan and West Pakistan erupted
> > > > > > into a civil war that claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands in the
> > > > > > eastern part of the country, which is divided from West Pakistan by 1,000
> > > > > > miles and by profound differences in culture and language.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: MSN Encarta
> > > > > > http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/search.aspx?q=Bangladesh+war
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Other than in the entry Dhaka in the World Encyclopedia of Oxford University
> > > > > > Press, the liberation war of Bangladesh is described as a civil war. It may
> > > > > > be concluded that Bangladesh has failed to make majority of the academicians
> > > > > > of the west recognize Bangladesh liberation war in the academic records.
> > > > > >
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[ALOCHONA] Re: Khaleda 'lying': ISPR

And your comments demonstrate the hatred and partisanship that pervades every sentence of every argument you have ever made. Which is understandable - if you would only confess to it.

We have many educated people who are blindly partisan but who do their best not to declare that support in public because they might have to face difficult questions. They are, each and every one of them, self serving cowards.

You think the Army is good or bad depending on which political party it helps :)

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ANDREWL" <turkman@...> wrote:
>
> No.
> It shows, Army tried to be as nice as it could be but Khalida the Bitch had to bark because this is what all of that Specie of that Animal do.
> She has to learn. Even in Pakistan, Widow of a dead dictator does not get to keep the Official Army-given residence of her Husband. Her stupid threats of dismissal against the evacuating Army Staff prove, what kind of revengeful low-life Bitch she is.
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" <Ezajur@> wrote:
> >
> > The confusing and inconsistent behaviour of the ISPR is a good sign.
> >
> > It shows that all is not well in the Army.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Isha Khan <bdmailer@> wrote:
> > >
> > > *Khaleda 'lying': ISPR *
> > >
> > > Dhaka, Nov 14 (bdnews24.com)—Military public relations department ISPR has
> > > accused BNP chief Khaleda Zia for misbehaving and also refuted her
> > > allegation of dragging her out of cantonment residence.
> > >
> > > The ISPR in a press release issued on Saturday night, termed Khaleda's
> > > statements made in a press briefing, held on Saturday, 'fabricated and
> > > ill-intentioned.'
> > >
> > > After the High Court deadline ended on Nov 12, the cantonment board
> > > initiated to vacate the cantonment house at 6 Shaheed Moinul Road. The
> > > opposition leader left her house at about 3:15 on Saturday by her personal
> > > transport and reached her Gulshan office.
> > >
> > > While the ISPR claimed that Khaleda had willingly left her house, the BNP
> > > chief, in the Saturday press briefing, accused the military of dragging her
> > > out of the house.
> > >
> > > The ISPR release said Khaleda had acted 'lethargic' while she was requested
> > > to leave the house. Khaleda, also started acting up with two female military
> > > officials who knocked at her door. "She didn't even hesitate to term the
> > > army members as ungrateful dogs and national enemy. She yelled in front of
> > > everyone saying, "I'm marking everyone, after assuming power, will kick out
> > > all from your jobs one by one."
> > >
> > > Placing proofs in support of ISPR's claim that Khaleda vacated her house
> > > willingly, the release said the cantonment board officials had gone to that
> > > house at 8am. "If she was forced, she would have been dragged out by then."
> > > "But the fact is that she left the cantonment residence in her own car at
> > > 3:15pm. This is the proof of her leaving the house willingly."
> > >
> > > Presence of eight vehicles of ultramodern models and about 50 helping hands
> > > in that house of only one family reveal signs of her luxurious life, the
> > > ISPR release added. The cantonment house is at present under police keeping,
> > > it said.
> > >
> > > The 2.72-acre plot was originally the official residence of the army's
> > > deputy chief of staff, a position held by Ziaur Rahman, who later became
> > > army chief and then military ruler. Former military dictator H M Ershad, who
> > > later became president, allotted the house to Khaleda and her two sons
> > > following the assassination of Ziaur Rahman, in a military coup on May 30 in
> > > 1981.
> > >
> > > His widow Khaleda was given another house in Gulshan in addition to the
> > > cantonment house, where the family had been living since the 1970s.
> > >
> > > The Directorate of Military Lands and Cantonments handed a notice on Apr 20
> > > last year asking the BNP chief to vacate her cantonment residence. Khaleda
> > > filed a petition with the High Court challenging legality of the government
> > > notice asking her to leave the house within 15 days.
> > >
> > > The government maintained its stand with two separate notices on May 7 and
> > > May 24. On May 27 last year, the court stayed the notices for three months
> > > after the initial hearing. The final hearing started on June 6 the same
> > > year. On Aug 23, the court asked the government to submit all files in
> > > relation to the lease of the cantonment house.
> > >
> > > The government gave a legal notice to Khaleda for a number of anomalies
> > > regarding the allotment within the military zone.
> > >
> > > The allegations and irregularities for which the notice was issued include
> > > 1) Khaleda has been carrying out political activities from the house – which
> > > goes against a condition of the allotment 2) One cannot get allotment of two
> > > government houses in the capital 3) A civilian cannot get a resident lease
> > > within a cantonment. The government also alleged that unauthorised changes
> > > and extensions were made to the building violating the code of conduct in
> > > the military area.
> > >
> > > http://bdnews24.com/details.php?id=178938&cid=2
> > > ---------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > *Privileges under Presidents Pension Ordinance,1979*
> > >
> > > http://www.bd-pratidin.com/?view=details&type=pratidin&pub_no=201&cat_id=1&menu_id=1&news_type_id=1&index=5
> > >
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[ALOCHONA] Re: Bangladesh Fooled By Indian Tansit Deal--Says who?

Huh! No one is talking about hatred, or with hatred. Except you. You speak with more hatred than anyone in this forum.

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ANDREWL" <turkman@...> wrote:
>
> Why should I, when you already know and are opposing it only because you hate Awami League?
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Emanur Rahman" <emanur@> wrote:
> >
> > So, can you explain how this deal can be beneficial for Bangladesh? I'm assuming it extends beyond a pair of glasses....
> > Emanur Rahman | m. +447734567561 | e. emanur@
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "ANDREWL" <turkman@>
>
> >
> > Since you can not see how this Deal can be beneficial for B.D., you should get your eyes checked unless you are already wearing Eye Glasses of Anti India and Anti Awami League Bias.
> > In that case, you should take those Glasses off and then look because you can not see any benefit through those Glasses. Okay ...!
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Wazed Khondkar <wkkhondkar@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Alochoks,
> > > Mr. Robin Khondkar wrote the following regarding mine and Mr. Emanur Rahmans comment on this matter (please see below). I am sorry I did not know that Mr. Robin only write to alochona to win a Noble prize or some kind of recognition from the ruling elite of BD or am I being cynical like Mr. Robin? Some of us mere mortals only express their opinions and there are a lot of Bangladeshies at home and abroad would agree with our views.
> > > He is porbably a traitor (I hope not) and an opportunist politicians of BD but us mere mortals do not have a sinister plot like Mr. Robin. Mr. Robin is free to express his views any way he wishes but should not make personal attack just because other people do not agree with his views.Mr. Robin should highlight the good points about the transit deal. Please share this with the rest of us. You have to excuse my intelligenece but I can not see how the transit deal would be a good deal for BD.
> > > Salam
> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > And ofcourse you two wonderful Gents are the very embodiment of patriotism, love of country, the milk of human kindness. Frankly I am astounded that both of you have not been bronzed yet as national heroes. I must tell my traitorous sycophantic oppurtunistic friends what a wonderful oppurtunistic they are missing. The contract for your statues is worth millions. Just imagine.......
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > From: Emanur Rahman <emanur@> [Add to Address Book]
> > >
> > > > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh Fooled By Indian Tansit Deal--Says who?
> > >
> > > > Date: Nov 10, 2010 11:19 PM
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > We do not have a Bangladeshi administration. Therein lies the problem. We have traitors in power. All the evidence suggests the same. Its not even about party interests. I dare say many AL supporters and party members also recognise this but choose not to speak up because they are either traitors, opportunists, sycophants or just plain stupid.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Emanur Rahman | m. +447734567561 | e. emanur@
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > From: Wazed Khondkar <wkkhondkar@>
> > >
> > > > Sender: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > > Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:31:45 +0000 (GMT)
> > >
> > > > To: <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > > ReplyTo: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > > Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh Fooled By Indian Tansit Deal--Says who?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Dear Alochoks,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > This is another interesting news about the transit route for India. So, India will save 70% of transport cost at the expense of Bangladesh. This means India will be able to export their goods at a much cheaper cost and be more competitive. So what will happened to industries in Bangladesh?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > What has India done so far for Bangladesh? What has happened to trade imbalance between Bangladesh and India? Why cannot Bangladesh sale its goods and services to India without any entry barriers?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Certain groups of people with vested interest trying to hood wink the population of Bangladesh into thinking that a transit route for India is good for Bangladesh. This is indeed very bad news for Bangladesh. India can look after its interest but who is looking after Bangladesh's interest. Certainly not our politicians.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > This issue has such a national importance that it should be put forward to the public in a referendum â€" let the people of Bangladesh decide whether it is good for them or not. This issue should not be decided by Mujib's daughter or Dictator's wife and sons but by the people of Bangladesh.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > I see some analogy between this issue and the European single currency - UK did not join the single currency the Euro. Had UK joined the single currency (which is dominated by Germany) it would have been a complete disaster for UK economy.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Politicians in the UK put their national interest first whereas politicians in Bangladesh put their parties interest first.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Salam
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
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[ALOCHONA] Re: Khaleda 'lying': ISPR



Er. Yes. Well. That really helps the argument on one side of an issue. Which argument on which side of which issue is not clear to me.

You are generally toothless and speechless so I wouldn't say you are so just in front of me. How delightful to have a general opinion on my comments and conclusions on a subject, without making any comments and conclusions of your own on the subject!

You shouldn't resent comments from abroad. After all Bangladeshis in large numbers are fleeing to the US, UK and ME bringing all their sophisticated politics with them. 

Depthless comments eh? Perhaps. But it will take more than your invisibility to prove that.

   

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "junaid.sultan" <junaid.sultan@...> wrote:
>
> I liked your advice son. You are right. I am toothless and speechless in
> front of extremely learned, highly knowledgeable, sub jaanta people like
> you. Very obviously, I live in Bangladesh and not in UK, USA and for
> that matter not even in Kuwait.
> Carry on son. I am sick and tired and am going back to sleep. Keep on
> making your nice, very thought provoking and depth-less comments and
> conclusions.
> Junaid --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" Ezajur@ wrote:
> >
> > Aw Grampa!
> >
> > You are sweet. Obviously all is well in the Army. And obviously you
> have nothing else to comment about except the comments of your grandson.
> I am blessed.
> >
> > Now please. Take your teeth out, drink your warm milk and go back to
> sleep.
> >
> > Goodnight
> >
> > Your grandson
> >
> > Ezajur Rahman
> > Kuwait
> >
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "junaid.sultan" junaid.sultan@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I liked this very sweeping remark. But more than that I loved the
> one
> > > sentence conclusion, "It shows that all is not well in the Army."
> > > Carry on son, we need people exactly like you.
> > >
> > > Junaid
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" <Ezajur@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The confusing and inconsistent behaviour of the ISPR is a good
> sign.
> > > >
> > > > It shows that all is not well in the Army.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Isha Khan bdmailer@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > *Khaleda 'lying': ISPR *
> > > > >
> > > > > Dhaka, Nov 14 (bdnews24.com)—Military public relations
> > > department ISPR has
> > > > > accused BNP chief Khaleda Zia for misbehaving and also refuted
> her
> > > > > allegation of dragging her out of cantonment residence.
> > > > >
> > > > > The ISPR in a press release issued on Saturday night, termed
> > > Khaleda's
> > > > > statements made in a press briefing, held on Saturday,
> 'fabricated
> > > and
> > > > > ill-intentioned.'
> > > > >
> > > > > After the High Court deadline ended on Nov 12, the cantonment
> board
> > > > > initiated to vacate the cantonment house at 6 Shaheed Moinul
> Road.
> > > The
> > > > > opposition leader left her house at about 3:15 on Saturday by
> her
> > > personal
> > > > > transport and reached her Gulshan office.
> > > > >
> > > > > While the ISPR claimed that Khaleda had willingly left her
> house,
> > > the BNP
> > > > > chief, in the Saturday press briefing, accused the military of
> > > dragging her
> > > > > out of the house.
> > > > >
> > > > > The ISPR release said Khaleda had acted 'lethargic' while she
> was
> > > requested
> > > > > to leave the house. Khaleda, also started acting up with two
> female
> > > military
> > > > > officials who knocked at her door. "She didn't even hesitate to
> term
> > > the
> > > > > army members as ungrateful dogs and national enemy. She yelled
> in
> > > front of
> > > > > everyone saying, "I'm marking everyone, after assuming power,
> will
> > > kick out
> > > > > all from your jobs one by one."
> > > > >
> > > > > Placing proofs in support of ISPR's claim that Khaleda vacated
> her
> > > house
> > > > > willingly, the release said the cantonment board officials had
> gone
> > > to that
> > > > > house at 8am. "If she was forced, she would have been dragged
> out by
> > > then."
> > > > > "But the fact is that she left the cantonment residence in her
> own
> > > car at
> > > > > 3:15pm. This is the proof of her leaving the house willingly."
> > > > >
> > > > > Presence of eight vehicles of ultramodern models and about 50
> > > helping hands
> > > > > in that house of only one family reveal signs of her luxurious
> life,
> > > the
> > > > > ISPR release added. The cantonment house is at present under
> police
> > > keeping,
> > > > > it said.
> > > > >
> > > > > The 2.72-acre plot was originally the official residence of the
> > > army's
> > > > > deputy chief of staff, a position held by Ziaur Rahman, who
> later
> > > became
> > > > > army chief and then military ruler. Former military dictator H M
> > > Ershad, who
> > > > > later became president, allotted the house to Khaleda and her
> two
> > > sons
> > > > > following the assassination of Ziaur Rahman, in a military coup
> on
> > > May 30 in
> > > > > 1981.
> > > > >
> > > > > His widow Khaleda was given another house in Gulshan in addition
> to
> > > the
> > > > > cantonment house, where the family had been living since the
> 1970s.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Directorate of Military Lands and Cantonments handed a
> notice on
> > > Apr 20
> > > > > last year asking the BNP chief to vacate her cantonment
> residence.
> > > Khaleda
> > > > > filed a petition with the High Court challenging legality of the
> > > government
> > > > > notice asking her to leave the house within 15 days.
> > > > >
> > > > > The government maintained its stand with two separate notices on
> May
> > > 7 and
> > > > > May 24. On May 27 last year, the court stayed the notices for
> three
> > > months
> > > > > after the initial hearing. The final hearing started on June 6
> the
> > > same
> > > > > year. On Aug 23, the court asked the government to submit all
> files
> > > in
> > > > > relation to the lease of the cantonment house.
> > > > >
> > > > > The government gave a legal notice to Khaleda for a number of
> > > anomalies
> > > > > regarding the allotment within the military zone.
> > > > >
> > > > > The allegations and irregularities for which the notice was
> issued
> > > include
> > > > > 1) Khaleda has been carrying out political activities from the
> house
> > > – which
> > > > > goes against a condition of the allotment 2) One cannot get
> > > allotment of two
> > > > > government houses in the capital 3) A civilian cannot get a
> resident
> > > lease
> > > > > within a cantonment. The government also alleged that
> unauthorised
> > > changes
> > > > > and extensions were made to the building violating the code of
> > > conduct in
> > > > > the military area.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://bdnews24.com/details.php?id=178938&cid=2
> > > > > ---------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *Privileges under Presidents Pension Ordinance,1979*
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://www.bd-pratidin.com/?view=details&type=pratidin&pub_no=201&cat_id\
> \
> > > =1&menu_id=1&news_type_id=1&index=5
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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