Wednesday, May 25, 2011

[ALOCHONA] Successful poverty management....

Where are Atiur Rahman, Abul Barkat, Motia Chowdury, Rashed Khan Menon, Hasanul Huq Inu et al?

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[ALOCHONA] BD government undermines national poet

BD government undermines national poet

This is a matter of great shame for the entire nation to witness the way Bangladesh government has recently undermined, if not dampened the great image of national poet Kazi Nazrul Islam. It may be mentioned here that the government organized huge programs and events to celebrate the 150^th Birth Anniversary of Rabindra Nath Tagore, while the state-owned Bangladesh Television not only continued programs on Tagore for days, but also erected three large gates with portrait of Rabindra Nath Tagore with Bangla and Hindi greetings texts.

A private television channel also organized a grand event, which was sponsored by a local mobile phone operator, which has recently been purchased by an Indian company. It was learnt from numerous sources that millions of dollars were spent only in Bangladesh for celebrating the 150^th Birth Anniversary of Tagore. On the other hand, series of albums both by Tagore singers and singers, who have never sung Tagore songs were released by a number of mostly unknown, if not non-existent audio production companies in Bangladesh. The whole plan was just to give a kind of prophetic and divine touch to the birth anniversary of Tagore, who has been able to successfully establish his self-given title of 'Biswa Kobi' [Global Poet].

I tried to learn as to which international body gave this title to Rabidra Nath Tagore. I even sent hundreds of test messages to people I know in Bangladesh, requesting information on this issue. None of them could come up with any substantial information, except the argument that as Tagore got Nobel Prize in literature, so he is global poet. I reminded them that till date hundreds of poets in the world have already received Nobel Prize in literature, and none of them ever claimed themselves to be Global Poet or Biswa Kobi.

Finally I received the following information on Rabindra Nath Tagore:

The youngest of 13 surviving children, Tagore was born in the Jorasanko mansion in Kolkata of parents Debendranath Tagore [1817–1905] and Sarada Devi (1830–1875). Tagore family patriarchs were the Brahmo founding fathers of the Adi Dharm faith. He was mostly raised by servants, as his mother had died in his early childhood; his father travelled extensively. Tagore largely declined classroom schooling. As Tagore hailed from an elegant family, his father was unwilling to send him to classroom schooling, fearing by mixing with the "low-caste" people in the class, Tagore might get polluted with low-class culture.

Tagore was sent to at a public school in Brighton, East Sussex, England in 1878 to become a Barrister. He first stayed for some months at a house that the Tagore family owned near Brighton and Hove, in Medina Villas; in 1877, his nephew and niece—Suren and Indira, the children of Tagore's brother Satyendranath—were sent together with their mother [Tagore's sister-in-law] to live with him. After staying two years in England, Tagore returned home degreeless in 1880.

It appears from the information, now available, that Rabindranath Tagore was awarded Nobel Prize in consideration of his successful attempt to intermingle the Western-Christian-Hindu philosophy. Rabindranth Tagore was not the recommendation of the Nobel Committee. The Nobel Committee named somebody else. The name of Rabindranath Tagore was not even in the short list of the Nobel Committee. Tagore was awarded the Nobel Prize neither as a Bengali nor as an Indian. He was awarded the prize as an "Anglo-Indian", while prize was accepted by the British Ambassador and it was delivered to the poet in Calcutta [now Kolkata]. Rabindranath Tagore was not very vast in literary productions in the first decade of the last century. In fact, except the limited 250-copy English edition of Gitanjali, hardly there was any English version of Rabindranath Tagore's other books. Not to speak of any Asian, until 1913 even any American was not awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature.

Rabindranath Tagore was a pro-British wealthy successor to the vast property left by his grand father Dwarakanath Tagore. In the first decade of the 20th Century he was the leading-most Bengali intellectual friend of the British Rulers in India. During the last decades of the 19th century and in the early 20th century there were popular uprisings, known as the 'Terrorist Movement' in Bengal. Khudiram Bose was young recruit by such leaders of 'Terrorist Movement' in Bengal. The British Rulers were very much disturbed by the widespread activities of the volunteers of 'Terroist Movement'. They needed to pacify the Bengalis. Nobel Prize for Rabindranath Tagore was an attempt in that direction. Rabindranath Tagore was not known to the West in the first decade of the 20thth century; hardly any body could have had access to his English edition of Gitanjali; this is obvious from the fact that Rabindranath Tagore was named in the short list of the Nobel Committee for the award of the Nobel Prize for literature in 1913. It was said that Rabindranath Tagore was known to the Swidish Academy as an 'Anglo-Indian poet' and not either as an Indian or as a Bengali.

Well, I am not either going to buy these information nor I am willing to reject it. This is not my job at all. What I want to say is, there is no room for anyone to glorify Tagore with any intention of undermining Kazi Narul. The government of Bangladesh should immediately investigate this issue and identify those culprits, who are behind humiliating the national poet.

Kazi Nazrul Islam is the national poet of Bangladesh. And, of course, undermining him is equivalent to showing disrespect to the entire nation.

http://www.weeklyblitz.net/1456/bd-government-undermines-national-poet

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[ALOCHONA] RE: Mujib's confusion on Bangladeshi deaths

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From: Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>
Date: Thu, May 26, 2011 at 1:34 AM
Subject: Serajur Rahman: Death toll 3 lakh in 1971 war

Serajur Rahman, retired deputy head, BBC Bengali Service, London, expressed his surprise and horror at Mujib's figure of 3 million Bangladeshi war dead (because of Mujib's wild exaggeration).

However, there are people who think that the figure of 3 million was prompted to Mujib by India. Even after 40 years of the war, there has been no national or international field investigation to determine the death toll figure. Even if it is done now, it has to be done objectively, without political bias and with no scopes for distortions. The published figures, so far, vary greatly. The Hamoodur Rahman commission of Pakistan put the figure as low as 26,000 civilian casualties, whereas published books vary with figures between 200,000 and 3 million.

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Isha Khan wrote:

Mujib's confusion on Bangladeshi deaths

The Guardian, Tuesday 24 May 2011

Ian Jack (21 May) mentions the controversy about death figures in Bangladesh's liberation war. On 8 January 1972 I was the first Bangladeshi to meet independence leader Sheikh Mujibur Rahman after his release from Pakistan. He was brought from Heathrow to Claridge's by the Indian high commissioner Apa Bhai Panth, and I arrived there almost immediately.

Mujib was puzzled to be addressed as "your excellency" by Mr Panth. He was surprised, almost shocked, when I explained to him that Bangladesh had been liberated and he was elected president in his absence. Apparently he arrived in London under the impression that East Pakistanis had been granted the full regional autonomy for which he had been campaigning. During the day I and others gave him the full picture of the war. I explained that no accurate figure of the casualties was available but our estimate, based on information from various sources, was that up to "three lakh" (300,000) died in the conflict.

To my surprise and horror he told David Frost later that "three millions of my people" were killed by the Pakistanis. Whether he mistranslated "lakh" as "million" or his confused state of mind was responsible I don't know, but many Bangladeshis still believe a figure of three million is unrealistic and incredible.

Serajur Rahman

Retired deputy head, BBC Bengali Service

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/24/mujib-confusion-on-bangladeshi-deaths

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[ALOCHONA] Chinese Ultimatum Warns Washington Against Attack

Yeah, just like in 1971, India's attack on East Pakistan was considered by China, an attack against Beijing. Remember, China has no Policy of Armed Intervention in any war forget about starting WW III with USA.
Pakistan is still in its covert war against USA, not an open war. Pakistan is now a sitting Duck after giving all the reasons to USA to at least take out her Nukes.

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Isha Khan <bdmailer@...> wrote:
>
> US, Pakistan Near Open War
>
> Chinese Ultimatum Warns Washington Against Attack
> Webster G. Tarpley, Ph.D.
>
> China has officially put the United States on notice that Washington's
> planned attack on Pakistan will be interpreted as an act of aggression
> against Beijing. This blunt warning represents the first known strategic
> ultimatum received by the United States in half a century, going back to
> Soviet warnings during the Berlin crisis of 1958-1961, and indicates the
> grave danger of general war growing out of the US-Pakistan confrontation.
> "Any Attack on Pakistan Would be Construed as an Attack on China"
>
> Responding to reports that China has asked the US to respect Pakistan's
> sovereignty in the aftermath of the Bin Laden operation, Chinese Foreign
> Ministry spokesperson Jiang Yu used a May 19 press briefing to state
> Beijing's categorical demand that the "sovereignty and territorial integrity
> of Pakistan must be respected." According to Pakistani diplomatic sources
> cited by the *Times of India*, China has "warned in unequivocal terms that
> any attack on Pakistan would be construed as an attack on China." This
> ultimatum was reportedly delivered at the May 9 China-US strategic dialogue
> and economic talks in Washington, where the Chinese delegation was led by
> Vice Prime Minister Wang Qishan and State Councilor Dai
> Bingguo.1<http://tarpley.net/#f1-ref>Chinese warnings are implicitly
> backed up by that nation's nuclear missiles,
> including an estimated 66 ICBMs, some capable of striking the United States,
> plus 118 intermediate-range missiles, 36 submarine-launched missiles, and
> numerous shorter-range systems.
>
> Support from China is seen by regional observers as critically important for
> Pakistan, which is otherwise caught in a pincers between the US and India:
> "If US and Indian pressure continues, Pakistan can say `China is behind us.
> Don't think we are isolated, we have a potential superpower with us,'" Talat
> Masood, a political analyst and retired Pakistani general, told
> AFP.2<http://tarpley.net/#f2-ref>
>
> The Chinese ultimatum came during the visit of Pakistani Prime Minister
> Gilani in Beijing, during which the host government announced the transfer
> of 50 state-of-the-art JF-17 fighter jets to Pakistan, immediately and
> without cost.3 <http://tarpley.net/#f3-ref> Before his departure, Gilani had
> stressed the importance of the Pakistan-China alliance, proclaiming: "We are
> proud to have China as our best and most trusted friend. And China will
> always find Pakistan standing beside it at all times….When we speak of this
> friendship as being taller than the Himalayas and deeper than the oceans it
> truly captures the essence of our
> relationship."4<http://tarpley.net/#f4-ref>These remarks were greeted
> by whining from US spokesmen, including Idaho
> Republican Senator Risch.
>
> The simmering strategic crisis between the United States and Pakistan
> exploded with full force on May 1, with the unilateral and unauthorized US
> commando raid alleged to have killed the phantomatic Osama bin Laden in a
> compound at Abottabad, a flagrant violation of Pakistan's national
> sovereignty. The timing of this military stunt designed to inflame tensions
> between the two countries had nothing to do with any alleged Global War on
> Terror, and everything to do with the late March visit to Pakistan of Prince
> Bandar, the Saudi Arabian National Security Council chief. This visit had
> resulted in a *de facto* alliance between Islamabad and Riyadh, with
> Pakistan promising troops to put down any US-backed color revolution in the
> kingdom, while extending nuclear protection to the Saudis, thus making them
> less vulnerable to US extortion threats to abandon the oil-rich monarchy to
> the tender mercies of Tehran. A joint move by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to
> break out of the US empire, whatever one may think of these regimes, would
> represent a fatal blow for the fading US empire in South Asia.
>
> As for the US claims concerning the supposed Bin Laden raid of May 1, they
> are a mass of hopeless contradictions which changes from day to day. An
> analysis of this story is best left to literary critics and writers of
> theatrical reviews. The only solid and uncontestable fact which emerges is
> that Pakistan is the leading US target — thus intensifying the anti-Pakistan
> US policy which has been in place since Obama's infamous December 2009 West
> Point speech.
>
> http://tarpley.net/2011/05/21/us-pakistan-near-open-war-chinese-ultimatum-warns-washington-against-attack/
>

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[ALOCHONA] This is Funny - Obama British Codename “Chalaque,”

The Insult Behind Obama's U.K. Codename

by Asra Q. Nomani

Daily Beast

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-05-24/obamas-uk-codename-the-insult-behind-chalaque/full/

"Chalaque," Scotland Yard's codename for the president on his U.K. visit, means "smart aleck," according to the British press, but it's a much bigger putdown than that. Bernie Madoff—now that's a real chalak, says Asra Nomani.

Before President Obama's arrival in London, The Daily Mail ran a story under the headline "Codename 'smart alec': British police label Obama with 'mildly offensive' Punjabi word for visit to U.K." Scotland Yard says its computers randomly picked a codename for Obama, "chalaque," for his visit to the country. But the newspaper quoted a Sikh community leader saying the name is often used to "denigrate" someone. Yahoo News then picked up the story, featuring it on its homepage under the headline: "Obama Code Named 'smart alec' in Britain."

As someone who grew up hearing chalak used to describe someone who is a notch below diabolical, I had to laugh. The West may try to assert cultural prowess economically, militarily, and diplomatically, but Obama's codename is yet another example of cross-cultural communication lost in translation.

I double-checked with the best person I could find on the nuances of the propriety of South Asian culture: my mother, Sajida Nomani, a native speaker of Urdu schooled in the highly mannered culture, called adab in Arabic, of Lucknow, India, a sort of Charleston, S.C., of South Asia. She is a grandmother with a discerning ear. Chalak, as it's usually spelled phonetically, isn't just a Punjabi word, but also found in Urdu, Hindi, and Bengali. Verbally, Hindi and Urdu are very similar, and Punjabi and Bengali are related to Hindi and Urdu.

No doubt about it, she said. "It's an insult." My mother dusted off our edition of the Oxford Practical English-Urdu Dictionary, published in Lahore, Pakistan, by the Oriental Book Society on Ganpat Road, and turned to page 156 [PDF], where she read the definition of chalak. It read: "adj. skilful; knowing; crafty; sly." My father, Zafar Nomani, then faxed me over a copy of pages of the dictionary, including 156.

Trust me, when they mean "skilful" and "knowing," that's not meant as a compliment. The word is a derogatory term for anyone older than about 7. For a youngster, it can mean clever, like, "What a cunning boy." Think somewhere between Eddie Haskell from Leave It to Beaver and the Uriah Heep character from Dickens' David Copperfield. Or Tom Sawyer from Twain's Huckleberry Finn.

But for a grown man, especially, it's a putdown. Think Arnold Schwarzenegger, for keeping from his wife, Maria Shriver, the secret of a baby born to his housekeeper: a real chalak. Or Bernie Madoff, for swindling foundations and the elderly out of millions: a definite chalak. Osama bin Laden for hiding out in the Pakistan military garrison town of Abbottabad, miles from the nation's capital? Definitely, 100 percent chalak, though most of his sympathizers wouldn't insult even bin Laden by calling him a chalak. Rather, they'd say the Navy SEALs were real chalak for keeping Operation Geronimo a secret from the Pakistanis. Meanwhile, if he knew the word, comedian Jon Stewart would say Pakistan has been a real chalak for pretending it didn't know bin Laden was in Abbottabad.

As you can see, chalak is in the eye of the accuser, er, beholder. But Chalak in Chief is not a compliment.

Scotland Yard could claim it meant no insult but thought of Obama as "wise or intelligent." That would be classic chalak.

If someone tries to con someone, we'll say, "Oh, he really tried to be a chalak." Or if someone is trying to get out of trouble, others will say, "Oh, he is being a real chalak." Or if one ethnic group wants to put down another ethnic group, they'll say, "Oh, they're real chalak." On Yahoo, a Bengali speaker explains that chalak is used to talk about a swindler: "We would say 'Buddhiman' for knowledgeable person, and 'Chalak' for anyone trying to outsmart other(s)."

For some real pop culture references on chalak, you need go no further than Bugs Bunny. Blogger Muhammad Ahmed posted a Bugs Bunny cartoon, dubbed in Punjabi, and called it, Chalak Khargosh, or chalak rabbit, for poor, misunderstood little Bugs.

http://selectedfunnyclips.blogspot.com/2011/02/punjabi-cartoons-chalak-khargosh.html

A company based in Houston, the Chalak Group, with executives rooted ethnically in South Asia, appropriately asked the question on its website, "Why Chalak?" I'm sure more than one self-respecting "aunty," as older women are called in South Asia, clucked their tongues at the use of the word in a business name.

"The word CHALAK is Hindi…" the website says. It talks about one meaning, which means "overflow," if the word is pronounced "chu-luk." "The other meaning is 'wise or intelligent' if pronounced chaa-laak," it claims. But, on its website explanation, the company can't hide the real meaning of chalak: "The Chalak Group is a dynamic business organization led by several young and energetic entrepreneurs. These WISE GUYS started their company back in 1998 with an OVERFLOW of energy and excitement." A caption on a photo of the five principals from the company reads, "The Chalak Group Wise Guys," and a photo of the founder has his tongue sticking out, just a little indelicately. Nice wise guy move, letting his chalak flag fly.

Now Scotland Yard could borrow a page from the Chalak Group and claim it meant no insult but thought of Obama as "wise or intelligent." That would be classic chalak

But for a grown man, especially, it's a putdown. Think Arnold Schwarzenegger, for keeping from his wife, Maria Shriver, the secret of a baby born to his housekeeper: a real chalak. Or Bernie Madoff, for swindling foundations and the elderly out of millions: a definite chalak. Osama bin Laden for hiding out in the Pakistan military garrison town of Abbottabad, miles from the nation's capital? Definitely, 100 percent chalak, though most of his sympathizers wouldn't insult even bin Laden by calling him a chalak. Rather, they'd say the Navy SEALs were real chalak for keeping Operation Geronimo a secret from the Pakistanis. Meanwhile, if he knew the word, comedian Jon Stewart would say Pakistan has been a real chalak for pretending it didn't know bin Laden was in Abbottabad.

As you can see, chalak is in the eye of the accuser, er, beholder. But Chalak in Chief is not a compliment.

Scotland Yard could claim it meant no insult but thought of Obama as "wise or intelligent." That would be classic chalak.

Asra Q. Nomani is the author of Standing Alone: An American Woman's Struggle for the Soul of Islam. She is co-director of the Pearl Project, an investigation into the murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. Her activism for women's rights at her mosque in W.V. is the subject of a PBS documentary, The Mosque in Morgantown. She recently published a monograph, Milestones for a Spiritual Jihad: Toward an Islam of Grace. asra@asranomani.com

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[ALOCHONA] FW: Tipu Sultan- An essay in imperial villain-making

          Have you read in today's paper about Khaled Zia's speech at the New Jersey's Senate House where she described Sheikh Mujib's rule in Bangladesh as Stalinist style totalitarian regime, and how the great Ziaur Rahman rescued the nation by introducing multi-party democracy? She made no mention of her attendance record at the Parliament in the last two and half years as the Leader of the Opposition.
                            This is the 'dominant narrative' if ever there was one, and one that villifies the victim of a ruthless mass murder.
I wonder what is the engine that empowers her to take possession of this dominant narrative that is making the rounds of the corridors of the State Department and the Whitehall!

                             Farida Majid

Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 07:56:56 -0700
Subject: Fw: Tipu Sultan- An essay in imperial villain-making

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/may/24/foreignpolicy.india

An essay in imperial villain-making

A fanatical Muslim despot was resisting the west, there were calls for regime change. We have, of course, been here before

William Dalrymple
The Guardian, Tuesday 24 May 2005 01.23 BST
Article history

By the end of the 90s, the hardliners calling for regime change in the east found that they had a powerful ally in government. This new president was not prepared to wait to be attacked: he was a new sort of conservative, aggressive in foreign policy, bitterly anti-French, and intent on turning his country into the unrivalled global power. It was best, he believed, simply to remove any hostile Muslim regime that presumed to resist the west.
There was no doubt who would be the first to be targeted: a Muslim dictator whose family had usurped power in a military coup. According to British sources, this chief of state was an "intolerant bigot", a "furious fanatic" with a "rooted and inveterate hatred of Europeans", who had "perpetually on his tongue the projects of jihad". He was also deemed to be "oppressive and unjust ... [a] sanguinary tyrant, [and a] perfidious negotiator".

It was, in short, time to take out Tipu Sultan of Mysore. The president of the board of control, Henry Dundas, the minister who oversaw the East India Company, had just the man for the job. Richard Wellesley was sent out to India in 1798 as governor general with specific instructions to effect regime change in Mysore and replace Tipu with a western-backed puppet. First, however, Wellesley and Dundas had to justify to the British public a policy whose outcome had long been decided in private.

Wellesley therefore began a campaign of vilification against Tipu, portraying him as an aggressive Muslim monster who divided his time between oppressing his subjects and planning to drive the British into the sea. This essay in imperial villain-making opened the way for a lucrative conquest and the installation of a more pliable regime that would, in the words of Wellesley, allow the British to give the impression they were handing the country back to its rightful owners while in reality maintaining firm control.

It is a truth universally acknowledged that a politician in search of a war is not over-scrupulous with matters of fact. Until recently, the British propaganda offensive against Tipu has determined the way that we - and many Indians - remember him. But, as with more recent dossiers produced to justify pre-emptive military action against mineral-rich Muslim states, the evidence reveals far more about the desires of the attacker than it does about the reality of the attacked.

Recent work by scholars has succeeded in reconstructing a very different Tipu to the one-dimensional fanatic invented by Wellesley. Tipu, it is now clear, was one of the most innovative and far-sighted rulers of the pre-colonial period. He tried to warn other Indian rulers of the dangers of an increasingly arrogant and aggressive west. "Know you not the custom of the English?" he wrote in vain to the nizam of Hyderabad in 1796. "Wherever they fix their talons they contrive little by little to work themselves into the whole management of affairs."

What really worried the British was less that Tipu was a Muslim fanatic, something strange and alien, but that he was frighteningly familiar: a modernising technocrat who used the weapons of the west against their inventors. Indeed, in many ways, he beat them at their own game: the Mysore sepoy's flintlocks - as the examples for sale in an auction of Tipu memorabilia at Sotheby's tomorrow demonstrate - were based on the latest French designs, and were much superior to the company's old matchlocks.

Tipu also tried to import industrial technology through French engineers, and experimented with harnessing water-power to drive his machinery. He sent envoys to southern China to bring back silkworm eggs and established sericulture in Mysore - an innovation that still enriches the region today. More remarkably, he created what amounted to a state trading company with its own ships and factories dotted across the Gulf. British propaganda might portray Tipu as a savage barbarian, but he was something of a connoisseur, with a library of about 2,000 volumes in several languages.

Moreover, contrary to the propaganda of the British, Tipu - far from being some sort of fundamentalist - continued the Indo-Islamic tradition of syncretism. He certainly destroyed temples in Hindu states that he conquered in war, but temples lying within his domains were viewed as protected state property and generously supported with lands and gifts of money and even padshah lingams - a unique case of a Muslim sultan facilitating the Shaivite phallus veneration. When the great Sringeri temple was destroyed by a Maratha raiding party, Tipu sent funds for its rebuilding. "People who have sinned against such a holy place," wrote a solicitous Tipu, "are sure soon to suffer the consequences of their misdeeds."

Tipu knew what he was risking when he took on the British, but he said, "I would rather live a day as a tiger than a lifetime as a sheep." As the objects in tomorrow's sale show, the culture of innovation Tipu fostered in Mysore stands record to a man very different from that imagined by the Islamophobic propaganda of the British - and the startling inaccuracy of Wellesley's "dodgy dossier" of 1799. The fanatical bigot and savage was in fact an intellectual.

The whole episode is a sobering reminder of the degree to which old-style imperialism has made a comeback under Bush and Blair. There is nothing new about the neocons. Not only are westerners again playing their old game of installing puppet regimes, propped up by western garrisons, for their own political and economic ends but, more alarmingly, the intellectual attitudes that buttressed and sustained such imperial adventures remain intact.

Despite over 25 years of assault by Edward Said and his followers, old-style Orientalism is alive and kicking, its prejudices intact, with columnists such as Mark Steyn and Andrew Sullivan in the role of the new Mills and Macaulays. Through their pens - blissfully unencumbered by any knowledge of the Muslim world - the old colonial idea of the Islamic ruler as the decadent, destructive, degenerate Oriental despot lives on and, as before, it is effortlessly projected on a credulous public by western warmongers in order to justify their own imperial projects. Dundas and Wellesley were certainly more intelligent and articulate than Bush or Rumsfeld, but they were no less cynical in their aims, nor less ruthless in the means they employed to effect them.

· William Dalrymple is the author of White Mughals

FROM: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/may/24/foreignpolicy.india

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[ALOCHONA] Interesting Read: wikileaks/pak generals

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in The Hindu

Opinion - News Analysis

Pakistan's military officers, seen through American eyes

B. Muralidhar Reddy

NEW DELHI: The 9/11 attack was a Jewish conspiracy, the CIA runs the American media, MI-5 runs the BBC: commonplace conspiracy theories on the Internet and, as a U.S. military officer found out while he attended a course at one of Pakistan's premier military education institutes, common too among senior officers of the Pakistan military.

As the United States tries to "reset" its relationship with Pakistan and especially the country's powerful military, a May 12, 2008 U.S. Embassy cable from Islamabad about Colonel Michael Schleicher's experiences at the National Defence University ( 153436: confidential) shows that it is going to be a mostly uphill task.

The cable, a report of Colonel Schleicher's "perceptions of the course, his classmates and his instructors" as told to the Embassy's Political Officer, is a primer on the different universes that the U.S. and Pakistan inhabit; it shows that anti-American biases run deep in the military, despite the lavish bankrolling by the U.S.

Sent under the signature of U.S. Ambassador Anne W. Patterson, the cable concludes that the best way to correct this is to increase opportunities for Pakistani military officers to train in the U.S, and to "consider an exchange program of instructors to broaden understanding of the U.S."

Located in Islamabad, the National Defence University's stated mission is "to impart higher education policy and strategy formulation at various tiers with emphasis on national security and defence, and act as a national think tank." Among its students are high-calibre military officers.

Col. Schleicher attended the NDU senior course, for students at the colonel and brigadier ranks; the junior course draws officers of the lieutenant colonel and colonel ranks.

The American officer inferred — on the basis of his professional and personal interactions — that at least two-thirds of his Pakistani batch-mates were either "religiously devout" or "moderately religious."

According to him, less than a third of his class was "overtly secular," and only two openly drank alcohol. Consumption of liquor by Muslims is prohibited in Pakistan.

In her comment on the contents of the cable, the Ambassador noted that with Washington's support, Post was working to dramatically increase International Military Education and Training (IMET) opportunities for officers and NCOs.

Exchange programme

The cable quoted her as saying:

"We need, in particular, to target the 'lost generation' of Pakistan military who missed IMET opportunities during the sanctions years. The elite of this crop of colonels and brigadiers are receiving biased NDU training with no chance to hear alternative views of the US.

"Given the bias of the instructors, we also believe it would be beneficial to initiate an exchange program for instructors."

The cable did not elaborate on what basis the U.S. officer had assessed the religious bent of mind of his Pakistani counterparts. It merely said: "Col. Schleicher believed the secular students felt peer pressure to appear more religious than they actually were."

The mission statement of the NDU says its aim is to impact higher education in policy and strategic affairs at various tiers on national security and defence and act as a national think tank. Headed by a three-star General, the University offers two courses.

In the year the U.S. officer attended it, the senior course included 135 classmates. Of these, approximately 25 were military officers from Pakistan's allies (including the U.S., Britain, and China).

The curriculum included lessons on classic nation-state development, which includes the use of Islamic texts, Pakistan's foundational documents — such as the works of Mohammad Ali Jinnah that discuss why Pakistan was created and how its legacy should impact its future policies.

There were two women in the course, including one from the faculty. During all trips and visits, the separation of men and women was strictly observed.

Misperceptions

The American officer was of the view that his Pakistani batchmates had several "misconceptions" about the U.S. In contrast, they approved everything Chinese.

The cable said that even the course instructors often had misperceptions about U.S. policies and culture, and infused their lectures with these suspicions.

"For example, one guest lecturer — who is a Pakistani one-star general — claimed the U.S. National Security Agency actively trains correspondents for media organisations. Some students share these misconceptions despite having children who attended universities in the US or London."

The cable said that some of those who were doing the course did not believe that the U.S. deployed women pilots overseas. A few of them believed that the Central Intelligence Agency was in charge of the U.S. media (and that the British intelligence agency MI-5 was in charge of the British Broadcasting Corporation).

"Students in the Junior Course shared many of the biases prevalent in the Muslim world, including a belief the US invaded Iraq for its oil and that 9/11 was a staged 'Jewish conspiracy'."

The Pakistani students appeared to come from wealthy families or from military families and were proud of the fact that they received amenities, including private-quality schools and good health care, as an incentive to stay in the military.

"Officers at the brigadier rank touted their privileges, including a house, car, and a driver. The NDU students also obtained financial perks, such as a free trip for a pilgrimage that could be taken at the end of the class."

The Pakistan Cables are being shared by The Hindu with NDTV in India and Dawn in Pakistan.

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[ALOCHONA] Taking advantage of exposure abroad to make a villain of the victim of mass murder

http://www.amadershomoy.com/ See "In '75 there was a Stalinist style autocratic rule in Bangladesh"

Khaleda Zia's speech at the New Jersey State Senate

-- cleverly suppressing the shameful record of her attendance to the Parliament as the Opposition Leader.

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[ALOCHONA] Re: A response to Myth-busting of Bangladesh war of 1971 by Sarmila Bose in english.aljazeera.net

Dear Ejazur

Again sorry for the delayed response

I was not talking about Bangladeshis living in Moosa Colony for example, in Karachi now. I was talking about Bangladeshis who were in Government Service (both Military and Civilians), mostly living with their families in the then West Pakistan at the time of liberation of Bangladesh. The then Government of Pakistan asked all those Bengalis if the opt to go to "so called" Bangladesh (Pakistan had not recognized by that time). Other than Biharis who were in Government service on East Pakistan quota, very few Bangladeshis opted for Pakistan. The Military personals were already in concentration camps and later the head of civilian families were also taken to the concentration camps leaving their families to pull along on their own. I must say here that in general the attitude and behavior of local population was good with these Bangladeshi families though there were some unwanted isolated incidences. The UN sponsored repatriation of these Bangladeshis, I think, started in early 1973 and continued for about 1 year Bangladesh was demanding trials of 195 Pakistanis at that time, Mr. Bhutto, of course in private, threatened to try these stranded Bangladeshis on treason charges if Bangladesh insists on their stand.

As you said though it is out of context, in 2002 Musharaf reportedly said that if Bangladesh pressed Pakistan to accept the repatriation of 200,000 biharis, Pakistan would require Bangladesh to accept the repatriation of a million Bengalis living illegally in Pakistan. As a matter of fact Gen. Musharaf or any Pakistani cannot justify it as Jinnah had said; Pakistan is the homeland of the Muslims of sub-continent. You know what it means, not the stranded Biharis in Bangladesh even those one million Bengalis has the right to live in Pakistan, of course if they are Muslims.

About Simla accord since you touched this subject, besides, some written clauses, there was an unwritten clause in Simla accord for Pakistan to recognize Bangladesh. Mr. Bhutto in the same context addressed a public meeting in Multan just after the Simla accord in an attempt to prepare Pakistanis for recognition of Bangladesh. However, the whole audience started shouting No! No! when Mr. Bhutto suggested for it in that public meeting. Mr. Bhutto was furious and started cursing in very un-parliamentary words. I cannot repeat those words but funny the proceeding of the meeting was being transmitted live. However, I agree with you that trial of 195 Pakistanis could not take place mainly due to the hegemony of India.

Back again to crime against humanity, those who have committed the crimes must be punished. (Today, even Jamaat leaders don't deny that there were no crimes). The number killed is important but it no way should hinder the trials and it can start with any number even with one.

Regards

Shafiq

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" <Ezajur@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Shafiq
>
> I have been very critical of BNP when it was in power. BNP's
> reaction to Pakistan was an appalling whimper – just like AL's
> would have been. `Gaa baachaya' behaviour is our national ethos.
> If Aung San Suu Kyi was whipped in public we would get the headline:
> `Dhaka urges caution'.
>
> All governments have a responsibility to the victims of 1971. And it is
> important to substantiate the 3 million number precisely because
> traitors question it. I question it also to upset our hypocrites –
> the ones that keep silent, no matter what, when their party is in power,
> AL or BNP. I was not asking for a few collaborators to be hanged –
> rather why so few are pursued.
>
> We cannot compare anything we can set up with the Nuremberg trials. What
> vanity! Those trials started quickly, lasted about a year and charged
> two dozen Nazi leaders. There is no question of Bangladesh standing up
> for its dead and demanding the trial of Pakistani war criminals. It does
> not even occur to us. We prefer songs.
>
> At least I thought about looking for mass graves. It is rather you who
> looks for excuses not to do so. J . The ICT visited two mass graves in
> Sylhet recently. No numbers of course.
>
> I have no idea what you are talking about next.
>
> I challenged Mohsin Ali to a debate and debate requires argument. J. Are
> you saying my challenge amounts to nothing because I tried to be polite
> and agreed to his counteroffer? The bodies of 3 million people are not
> molehills – they are mountains.
>
> I did not deny Junaid Sultan a debate. I gave reasons for a different
> approach and he agreed – he could have refused. I am still meeting
> him and we will still discuss the issues.
>
> Please don't confuse our efforts at being polite with being tame.
> Won't take much for us to talk like a Nethri J
>
> Any more information on the Bengalis in concentration camps in Pakistan
> in 1971? It would be good to know. In 2002 Musharaf reportedly said that
> if Bangladesh pressed Pakistan to accept the repatriation of 200,000
> biharis, Pakistan would require Bangladesh to accept the repatriation of
> a million Bengalis living illegally in Pakistan. Load of crap? Probably.
> Shocking if true? Not really. TIB as our young Bangladeshis say. This Is
> Bangladesh.
>
> The Simla Pact (July 1972) seemingly had nothing to with the recently
> independent sovereign state of Bangladesh and victors of the war of
> 1971. It had everything to do with the India sorting out its own accords
> with Pakistan - including handing over those who butchered 3 million
> Bengalis!
>
> No wonder criminals have had political patronage ever since!
>
> Ezajur Rahman
>
> Kuwait
>
>
>
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, shafiq013@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Ejazur
> >
> > Thanks for your quote of Gen. Mushraf during his visit to Dhaka. I did
> > remember it vaguely but not fully. I totally agree that this is not
> > apology. But may I ask you what was the reaction of the then
> Government
> > of Bangladesh? Hope you have not forgotten it but you did not mention
> > it.
> >
> > Mr.Ejazur, I do believe no proper investigation was conducted by the
> > immediate Government after liberation of the country but if that
> > Government failed to do so was not it the responsibility of the
> > subsequent Governments? Why whenever there is demand of war criminal,
> a
> > certain quarter always try to dilute the issue by questioning the no.
> of
> > people killed? It is good that you mentioned that it is 2011. Man
> those
> > crimes were committed in 1971, 40 years ago. If you would have
> > appreciated the facts you would have not said," In 2011 we seek only
> > that half a dozen collaborators are hanged". I am aware that you
> > know history very well. Do you remember when trial of Nuremberg
> started
> > and how long it continued?
> >
> > I agree with you that we are a nation of world class excuse makers.
> You
> > further said that you are from Sylhet and perhaps you should start
> > looking for mass graves there. I know for sure when someone shall ask
> > you to do it you make an excuse.
> >
> > Mr. Ejazur it is human nature that when we run out of arguments we
> start
> > throwing challenges. You did the same thing. And what is the result?
> You
> > and your compatriots tried to make mountain out of a mole hole. You
> made
> > a big fuss out of it just by playing with the words. But when one
> > alochok made a counter challenge, you acted like a tamed cat.
> >
> > If you knew the history well you would have not commented," How do
> > you have 3 million killed and then release ALL the killers in return
> for
> > recognition by Pakistan?! Because India or the Saudis required it?"
> > Do you have any idea how many Bengalis were stranded in Pakistan at
> that
> > time? Not only military but civilians also. What was the treatment to
> > them, when asked for, they opted for Bangladesh? Even the civilian
> head
> > of families were taken to concentration camps leaving back their
> > families to pull along on their own. To educate you more on this
> > subject, Pakistan agreed to release the stranded Bengalis only after
> the
> > Simla pact. To the best of my knowledge (I may be wrong), Pakistan
> > recognized Bangladesh much later and Saudi Arabia recognized
> Bangladesh
> > after 1975.
> >
> > With best regards
> >
> > Shafiq
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" Ezajur@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Shafiq
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No regets needed – we are all busy. Damned modern life!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here is Musharraf on a visit to Dhaka in July 2002:
> > >
> > > "Your brothers and sisters in Pakistan share the pains of the events
> > of
> > > 1971. The excesses committed during the unfortunate period are
> > > regrettable," Musharraf said at the banquet on Monday night.
> > >
> > > "Let us bury the past in the spirit of magnanimity. Let not the
> light
> > of
> > > the future be dimmed. Let us move forward together," Musharraf said,
> > > adding that 'courage to compromise is greater than to confront'.
> > >
> > > This is no apology by any definition at any level. It is fuzzy wuzzy
> > > language used everyday by our political classes to justify the
> > failures
> > > of their preferred political party. Genocide and mass rape cannot be
> > > regrettable excesses to be simply buried. He dared to say so because
> > he
> > > was speaking personally and not at a State level, because his host
> was
> > > the poor foreign minister Morshed Khan, and because he does not take
> > > Bangladesh's numbers seriously.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Certainly Sheikh Mujib had his hands full after 1971. But he is
> > > nevertheless accountable for what happened on his watch. Even now,
> > when
> > > our Prime Minister, as Defence Minister, fails to surround the BDR
> > Camp,
> > > we forgive her because apparently she `did her best'. Well we
> > > are a very understanding lot it seems J
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We claim that in 1971 3 million of our country men were killed and
> > > 400,000 raped. Since 1971:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. No state level investigation into the murders and rapes
> > > 2. No international inquiry into the murders and rapes
> > > 3. In 2011 we seek only that half a dozen collaborators are hanged
> > > 4. No effort to name the dead as much as is possible
> > > 5. No effort to identify the bodies as much as is possible
> > > 6. No effort to locate the mass graves as much as possible
> > > 7. All Pakistani POWs released without trial after killing 3
> > millions
> > > 8. No state level agenda for apologies or reparations from
> > Pakistan
> > > 9. No inquiry by India on the number of Bengali refugees who died
> > > 10. No investigation into whether the number 3 lac was translated
> > into
> > > 3 million
> > > 11. No improvement in social attitudes towards rape victims in the
> > 4
> > > decades since
> > > 12. Blah blah blah
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And now in 2011 we have only the silent tears of those who lost
> loved
> > > ones and a lot of sentimental songs. And the use of the numbers as
> > > landmarks in our rotten political narrative.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > How do you have 3 million killed and then release ALL the killers in
> > > return for recognition by Pakistan?! Because India or the Saudis
> > > required it?! What country does not look for the mass graves of 3
> > > million murdered people? Is it pointless? Or is it because the vast
> > > majority of our dead are poor people whom no one in power ever
> really
> > > missed? We tend to make a great fuss about our educated martyrs and
> > the
> > > odd symbolic member of the lower classes.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We are a nation of world class excuse makers.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nobody gives a crap what Bangladesh's official position is on the
> > > number. The Indians don't comment and the Pakistani's are
> > > incredulous. Sigh.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Imran Khan has done a better job than us of demanding Pakistan
> > > apologises properly to Bangladesh!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We are better than this. And our martyrs deserve better than a
> > monument
> > > and a bunch of songs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am from Sylhet. Perhaps I should start looking for mass graves
> > there.
> > > I could ask my local MP to help but I suspect he's busy trying to
> > > get a banking licence J
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please do write when you can.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My best wishes to you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ezajur Rahman
> > >
> > > Kuwait
> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, shafiq013@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Ejazur
> > > >
> > > > I regret for a late response
> > > >
> > > > I believe in your admission and I also agree with you that not
> > enough
> > > > was done to seek apologies from Pakistan by any Government of
> > > > Bangladesh, present or past.
> > > >
> > > > General Parvaiz Musharraf said something on the subject and it may
> > be
> > > > close to apology but that was not enough. We ask for and we expect
> a
> > > > full fledge apology for all the atrocities, irrespective of
> > different
> > > > estimations.
> > > >
> > > > I again agree with you that a formal estimation could have and
> > should
> > > > have been done by the then immediate Government. Hey! I am not
> > > defending
> > > > anybody but may be the then Government had lot of other problems
> for
> > a
> > > > war ravaged country. Government priorities did change after the
> 1975
> > > > changeover. Today, it will be very unfortunate if AL (or for that
> > > matter
> > > > BNP) uses these figures for petty personal or political gains. As
> > > > regretfully, no census was done immediately after 1971, the
> official
> > > > Bangladesh stand remains for 3 million dead.
> > > >
> > > > I wish I could touch other points you raised in your posting like
> > > > corruption etc., but I should leave it for some other time and
> > > > opportunity.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > >
> > > > Shafiq
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" Ezajur@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Shafiq
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No, I am not trying to undermine a crime against humanity. I
> have
> > > > > already called the murders of 1971 a crime against humanity and
> > > > > genocide. I would have to be a cannibal to side with willful
> mass
> > > > murder
> > > > > and rape. I hope you do not think of me so poorly - I could
> never
> > > > assume
> > > > > such a thing about you.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not care for what the Pakistanis think as they were the
> > > > aggressors.
> > > > > I hardly ever mention that country. Of course they cover up even
> > > their
> > > > > own estimate of the true numbers. The number of 28,000 killed in
> > The
> > > > > Hamoodur Report must be most grossly understated.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > But our victims deserve reparations, admission and apologies
> from
> > > > > Pakistan. Why should Pakistan get away with it just because we
> > > cannot
> > > > > demand or present our case properly?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I ask because I don't know what the correct figure is and
> because
> > > > > the number has been made sacred by the very same people (BNP and
> > AL)
> > > > who
> > > > > have brought our country to its current condition. And I don't
> > > > > believe them. And I don't buy it when those who are the most
> > senior
> > > > > defenders of this number defend it only with a calculator and
> > > > simplistic
> > > > > assumptions.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I apologise for using the word exaggeration as it offends you.
> It
> > > was
> > > > > not my intention. But the political classes of my country are
> > prone
> > > to
> > > > > exaggeration, sometimes out of sentimentality (I am one of them
> > > too!)
> > > > > and sometimes for political gain (unforgiveable).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Come on Shafiq. Let us not pick on the limitations of mere
> words.
> > > What
> > > > > do you think we get our facts right on? The environment? The
> > > > population?
> > > > > The stock market manipulators? The BDR tragedy? Smuggling? Black
> > > > money?
> > > > > The deals that our politicians have made? The deals our
> > businessmen
> > > > > make? The deals our Army makes? Corruption?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The electorate does not get the facts.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is not enough, for me at least, that a Pakistani soldier,
> > however
> > > > > honest, said this and that a UN report, informed by any of our
> > > > > governments, said that. What about my country? Why can't my
> > country
> > > > > get even this most important subject right?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I am facing a lot of abuse (not from you) but that's okay. I'm
> > > > > nobody and I can easily be ignored. But I think the next
> > generation
> > > > > must, and will, question everything. If they do then we stand a
> > > > fighting
> > > > > chance of building the nation that so many gave their lives for
> in
> > > > 1971.
> > > > > God knows those who followed them have made an almighty mess of
> > it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This is more about us and the way we conduct ourselves than
> about
> > > the
> > > > > Pakistanis. Just because we hate the Pakistanis does not mean
> that
> > > we
> > > > > cannot establish, with the best of our efforts, a formal
> estimate
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > number of our countrymen murdered in 1971. But we are simply
> happy
> > > > that
> > > > > Time and Newsweek gave some estimates. The best estimate may
> turn
> > > out
> > > > to
> > > > > be 5 millions. And it may turn out to be 1 million (personally,
> I
> > > > > don't think it can be less). We should be serious about the
> number
> > > > > of our dead.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Life has always been cheap in our country. The truth has always
> > been
> > > > > manipulated. We should try to change that. Let's count our dead.
> > > > > Everybody else tries.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You see Shafiq, sometimes no matter what we say, people see what
> > > they
> > > > > want to see. I'm sure I am guilty of the same sometimes. I am
> not
> > a
> > > > > freak of nature (you did not say it, I am saying it). My
> opinions
> > > and
> > > > my
> > > > > politics are fuelled by the people I meet everyday, of every age
> > and
> > > > > class. I find disagreement only with those who are locked into a
> > > > > political party – be it BNP, AL, JP or JI. And, in my life
> > > > > experience, such locked people are in the vocal minority –
> not
> > > the
> > > > > silent majority.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have no reason to think I am better informed or even of
> sounder
> > > mind
> > > > > than you. But if I differ with anyone it is only, in essence,
> > > because
> > > > > they are not protesting against our politics. Perhaps they do
> and
> > I
> > > > > could be wrong in a particular case. But I have found people
> > choose
> > > to
> > > > > be silent regarding their party no matter how bad things might
> be.
> > > > > That's why there is no meaningful reform in the country.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I often choose to be obnoxious because I find the silence of
> those
> > > who
> > > > > are better informed and better placed than me to be obnoxious.
> Its
> > > > good
> > > > > to hear their voice, no matter how hostile.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have written to you sincerely. Even though we may continue to
> > > differ
> > > > I
> > > > > hope you will consider my failings to be those of a sincere man.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Best wishes
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ezajur Rahman
> > > > >
> > > > > Kuwait
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, shafiq013@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are still trying to undermine the crime committed against
> > > > > humanity.
> > > > > > The 3 million figures is an estimate and are not only
> mentioned
> > in
> > > > > some
> > > > > > UN reports but even in some Pakistani reports. You call it an
> > > > > > exaggeration absolutely like the official Pakistani stand.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Knowing Pakistani mentality, there is no reason to believe
> this
> > > > > > "exaggerated figure" being the reason for no reparations or
> > > > > > apologies from Pakistan. Let them apologies even for 28
> > thousands,
> > > > > they
> > > > > > estimate were killed per Hamoodur Rahman commission report.
> > Again,
> > > > > this
> > > > > > also is an estimate only. Do you believe this being the
> correct
> > > > > figure?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And why you believe that 3 million figure is exaggerated like
> > the
> > > > > > official Pakistani stand? Then what is the correct figure?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It was nice to know that we never get our facts right on
> > anything.
> > > > > What
> > > > > > it is? News or your desire
> > > > > > Shafiq
> > > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" Ezajur@ wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The reason why the number 3 million is important is that
> this
> > > > number
> > > > > > is symbolic of our societal and politcal failures. If we can
> lie
> > > > about
> > > > > > this number we can lie about anything. A nation that
> exaggerates
> > > its
> > > > > > dead for political gain and dramatic effect, and does not
> count
> > > its
> > > > > > dead, is doomed to rotteness.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And are we in a rotten condition or not?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Many good people are sleeping or have given up hope or have
> > been
> > > > > > beaten into submission. If yelling about this 3 million annoys
> > > them
> > > > > > enough to make them yell back - then thats just fine!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The fact is that there were crimes against humanity. Of
> course
> > > > this
> > > > > is
> > > > > > true. The fact also is that the exaggeration of those crimes
> > > > actually
> > > > > > diminshes the crimes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Which is why we have no reparations or apologies from
> > Pakistan.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We never get our facts right on anything.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, shafiq013@ wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What a logic. You said "There was killing by Pakistani
> army
> > as
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > > were tried to protect Pakistan and that's fact."
> Gentleman,
> > > Can
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > explain why women were raped? Which Pakistan they were
> > trying
> > > to
> > > > > > protect
> > > > > > > > by raping women? Why there was loot and arson? Was this
> > > another
> > > > > > attempt
> > > > > > > > to protect Pakistan? Yes, we killed Urdu speaker after the
> > war
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > that's a fact. But if you were old enough to see the war
> in
> > > > 1971,
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > should be able to answer why. The story of the Balouch
> > > Pakistani
> > > > > > soldier
> > > > > > > > is just a story. Even at present there are not many
> Balouchs
> > > in
> > > > > > Pakistan
> > > > > > > > Army not to talk about in 1971. Yes, there was a Balouch
> > > > regiment
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > was occupied by Punjabis mostly. And Ziaur Rahman was not
> > > > setting
> > > > > up
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > radio at Kalurghat in the middle of war. And above
> > everything,
> > > a
> > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > soldier cannot help you in this situation like this even
> if
> > he
> > > > > wants
> > > > > > to.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The famous Hamoodur Rahamn commission said around 28-30
> > > thousand
> > > > > > > > Bengalis were killed. The official Bangladeshi stand is
> that
> > 3
> > > > > > million
> > > > > > > > Bengalis were killed. The fact is that there were crimes
> > > against
> > > > > > > > humanity. Don't try to exploit the number of people killed
> > to
> > > > > dilute
> > > > > > > > the issue. The biggest truth of 1971 is 16th December.
> > Nothing
> > > > > less
> > > > > > > > nothing more. Sorry you did not like it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Shafiq
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" <Ezajur@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Of course the Pakistanis committed massacres - enough
> for
> > > the
> > > > > word
> > > > > > > > genocide to be used. And they killed many more Bengalis
> than
> > > > vice
> > > > > > versa.
> > > > > > > > The issues are:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1. Were 3 million Bengalis killed?
> > > > > > > > > 2. How has this number been exploited by polictians?
> > > > > > > > > 3. What have the lies about 1971 - by BNP and AL - cost
> > our
> > > > > > country
> > > > > > > > since 1971?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Jamil Ahmed
> jamil_dhaka@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I was old enough to see the war in 1971. There was
> > killing
> > > > by
> > > > > > > > Pakistani army as they were tried to protect Pakistan and
> > > that's
> > > > > > fact.
> > > > > > > > We killed Urdu speaker after the war and that's a fact. In
> a
> > > > war,
> > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > the general people whoÂ gives a lot of sacrifice.There
> > > story
> > > > > will
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > never told. Just to add one fact that I had seen is that
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > > of war as Ziaur Rahman was setting up the radio at Kalur
> > ghat
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > Pakistani army took over our area. Obviously we all are
> > > shaken,
> > > > > one
> > > > > > > > Pakistani solder told us not to be afraid, and added that
> he
> > > is
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > baluch. I am sure there is lotof stories like that and
> those
> > > > will
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > covered by weight of atrocities of other Pak solders.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Â
> > > > > > > > > > Â
> > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 5/14/11, Dr. M. Mohsin Ali drmohsinali@
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > From: Dr. M. Mohsin Ali drmohsinali@
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] A response to Myth-busting of
> > > Bangladesh
> > > > > war
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > 1971 by Sarmila Bose in english.aljazeera.net
> > > > > > > > > > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, May 14, 2011, 12:58 PM
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > SO, MR. EZAJUR, YOU BELIEVE THE STORY OF MS. SHARMILA
> > BOSE
> > > > > WHICH
> > > > > > IS
> > > > > > > > THE STORY OF THE PAKISTANI MILITARY ABOUT OUR GREAT
> > LIBERATION
> > > > > WAR.
> > > > > > YOU
> > > > > > > > ARE SIGNING WITH THE PAKISTANIS AND THE RAZAKARS. THAT'S
> WHY
> > > YOU
> > > > > > NEVER
> > > > > > > > LIKED SHEIKH MUJIB AS HE BROKE YOUR BELAOVED PAKISTAN.
> THAT
> > IS
> > > > > YOUR
> > > > > > REAL
> > > > > > > > FACE.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 5/14/11, ezajur Ezajur@ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > From: ezajur Ezajur@
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: A response to Myth-busting of
> > > > > Bangladesh
> > > > > > war
> > > > > > > > of 1971 by Sarmila Bose in english.aljazeera.net
> > > > > > > > > > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, May 14, 2011, 10:25 AM
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Â
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sarmila Bose has made a stand against the myth of 1971
> > and
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > dominant post war narrative and those who have profited
> from
> > > it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The myth of 1971 is that 3 million people Bengalis
> were
> > > > > > > > exterminated. As proven by the lack of any meaningful
> effort
> > > to
> > > > > > measure
> > > > > > > > the number of deaths by successive governments of
> > Bangladesh.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The dominant narrative of 1971 has been that the myth
> of
> > > > 1971
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > real and that those who shout about it are those who are
> fit
> > > to
> > > > > > govern
> > > > > > > > best. As proven by the behaviour of every successive
> > > government.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Those who have profited are those who have publicly
> > > promoted
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > myth and privately benefitted with power and money. As
> > proven
> > > by
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > behaviour of every successive government.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What Farida cannot abide is that anyone can question
> > > > anything
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > 1971 because it is the myth of 1971 that, in her mind,
> > > empowers
> > > > > her
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > her politics, to focus on what they want, ignore what they
> > > want
> > > > > and
> > > > > > rule
> > > > > > > > as they see fit. Screw them.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The creation of the myth of 1971 was the first step in
> > the
> > > > > > ruination
> > > > > > > > of our country. We have been on our knees ever since.
> > Bridges
> > > > and
> > > > > > export
> > > > > > > > earnings cannot measure our people. Our people deserve
> > better.
> > > > And
> > > > > > as AL
> > > > > > > > and BNP and Jammat relish the orgy of their gross self
> > > > indulgence
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > ignore the future at the nation's peril.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If BNP of JI thugs commit rape, murder and extortion,
> as
> > > > they
> > > > > > do,
> > > > > > > > the Farida Majids of our country will protest. If AL thugs
> > > > commit
> > > > > > rape,
> > > > > > > > murder and extortion, as they do, the Farida Majids of our
> > > > country
> > > > > > keep
> > > > > > > > quiet. There are Farida Majids in BNP and JI.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Screw all these bloody hypocrites. They believe they
> are
> > > > true
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > their dead leader, their dead father and their dead
> values.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > They, and the rest of us, will soon enough return to
> the
> > > > soil
> > > > > of
> > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > country, in which lies buried the truth and best spirit of
> > our
> > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > and our beautiful country.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Just look at the condition of our country! You know
> why
> > > > there
> > > > > is
> > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > class war in Bangladesh? You know know why our guitarists
> > > can't
> > > > > bend
> > > > > > > > their knees?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > May our soil accept our flesh and bones as payment for
> > the
> > > > > truth
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > may that truth embrace the next generation.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > To all hypocrites - Â£Â£Â£Â£ you!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ezajur Rahman
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Its so loud, inside in my head
> > > > > > > > > > With words that I should have said.
> > > > > > > > > > As I drown in my regrets
> > > > > > > > > > I can't take back
> > > > > > > > > > the words I never said.
> > > > > > > > > > Lupe Fiasco
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Farida Majid
> > > > <farida_majid@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/05/20115983958114219.h\
> \
> > \
> > > \
> > > > \
> > > > > \
> > > > > > \
> > > > > > > > tml
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Bangladesh war of 1971 Myth-busting Piece by Sarmila
> > > Bose
> > > > in
> > > > > > Al
> > > > > > > > Jazeera.net :
> > > > > > > > > > > Farida Majid
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Here we have Sarmila Bose whining on and on against
> > the
> > > > > > `dominant
> > > > > > > > narrative' and pushing her insubstantial book, Dead
> > Reckoning:
> > > > > > Memories
> > > > > > > > of the 1971 Bangladesh War, as a scholarly work that is
> > meant
> > > to
> > > > > > bust
> > > > > > > > the myth of Bangladesh war of independence in 1971. Her
> > book's
> > > > > spin
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > strung around a few instances of atrocities committed by
> > Mukti
> > > > > > fighters
> > > > > > > > upon non-Bengali collaborators of Pakistan at the time. No
> > one
> > > > > > denies
> > > > > > > > those cruel acts of retaliation. All wars are cruel and
> > ugly.
> > > > But
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > > themselves those acts, or her other fieldwork denying
> > > widespread
> > > > > > rape
> > > > > > > > and murder (questioning the occurrence of any rape by
> > > Pakistani
> > > > > > soldiers
> > > > > > > > since she could not get figures of exact date, time and
> > place
> > > of
> > > > > > each
> > > > > > > > sexual assault), have not been able to disprove any of the
> > > > > > well-known
> > > > > > > > incidences of crimes against humanity committed by an
> > > uniformed,
> > > > > > fully
> > > > > > > > equipped with modern arms and ammunition, professionally
> > > trained
> > > > > > > > Pakistani army and its Bengali collaborators in 1971. I
> > > > > > > > > > doubt whether any of the `uncomfortable truth' she has
> > > > > unearthed
> > > > > > > > could be presented at a War Crimes Tribunal as legal
> defense
> > > > > against
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > charges brought by the Prosecution at such a Tribunal.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The harder Sarmila Bose whines about the `dominant
> > > > > narrative'
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > fuzzier gets her rationale for wanting to debunk it. Her
> > > citing
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > example of Lara Logan, the CBS correspondent haplessly
> > caught
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > melee of Tahrir Square in Cairo in the spring uprising of
> > > 2011,
> > > > > > shows to
> > > > > > > > what pathetic extent Bose lacks sympathy and imagination
> in
> > > > > > assessing
> > > > > > > > the overall reality of people's struggle for freedom from
> > > > > > oppression.
> > > > > > > > Such struggles in the annals of history are messy, never
> > > > > > picture-book
> > > > > > > > perfect. Sarmila though is unforgiving, and is too
> > > mean-spirited
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > tolerate "freedom and democracy-loving people rising up
> > > against
> > > > > > > > oppressive dictators." She has to take up the arms of a
> > > > `scholarly
> > > > > > > > study' to bust the myth!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > What is the 'myth' that she is so anxious to bust?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Is genocide in Bangladesh, 1971, a myth?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If it is a myth then are we to understand, after Ms
> > > Bose's
> > > > > > > > so-called `research' and report, that genocide did not
> take
> > > > place
> > > > > at
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > in 1971 in the then East Pakistan? The "dominant
> narrative"
> > is
> > > > all
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > partisan exaggeration and no one in the international
> > > community
> > > > > but
> > > > > > her
> > > > > > > > could detect the "uncomfortable truth" in all these 40
> > years.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Who does she mean by those "who have profited for so
> > > long
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > > mythologising the history of 1971"?
> > > > > > > > > > > Does she mean the people of Bangladesh, the world's
> > > eighth
> > > > > > most
> > > > > > > > populous nation? Does `profit' mean gaining the
> sovereignty
> > > and
> > > > > > > > independence as a nation?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If so, then all nations who have had to fight for
> > > > > independence
> > > > > > > > from a colonized condition ought to be labeled as having
> > > > "profited
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > mythologizing history." And that would include United
> States
> > > of
> > > > > > America.
> > > > > > > > > > > Go tell an American that the chronicles of wars and
> > > > battles
> > > > > > fought
> > > > > > > > in the American War of Independence during 1775-1783 are
> all
> > > > > > > > mythologised history, and hence a `dominant narrative', a
> > myth
> > > > > that
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > in dire need of busting!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Let us remind ourselves of the announcement of Gen.
> > > Yahya
> > > > > Khan
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > a radio interview at the launching of the Operation
> > > Searchlight
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > March, 1971 in East Pakistan: "We will kill three million
> of
> > > > them,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > they will eat out of our hands!" The number â€"3
> million
> > > > > â€"
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > immaterial, though admittedly there is an irresolvable
> > > argument
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > swirls around it. What is legally relevant here, however,
> is
> > > the
> > > > > > clear
> > > > > > > > expression of goal and intent to commit genocide by Pak
> > > military
> > > > > > > > apparatus in East Pakistan.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > New evidences are emerging, not just from the
> victims
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > war
> > > > > > > > crimes of 1971, but from the perpetrators themselves. Eye
> > > > > witnesses
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > personal encounters from among the Pakistani military
> > > personnel
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > > coming up with accounts of General Niazi, General Rao
> Farman
> > > > Ali,
> > > > > et
> > > > > > al,
> > > > > > > > exhibiting fierce anti-Bengali racism that underscored
> > > > activities
> > > > > > > > against unarmed, unthreatening civilians. Such activities
> > were
> > > > > > regarded
> > > > > > > > as reprehensive by even the soldiers who carried out the
> > > orders
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > they violated the rules and norms of engagement in
> warfare.
> > > > > Several
> > > > > > > > books have come out over the years by various Pakistani
> army
> > > > > > personnel
> > > > > > > > including one by the infamous General Niazi. They are all
> > > > replete
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > quotations and records of utter racial contempt for the
> > > Bengalis
> > > > > of
> > > > > > East
> > > > > > > > Pakistan on the part of top brass military officers in the
> > > > > Pakistani
> > > > > > > > army who wanted at least a partial destruction of the
> whole
> > > race
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > Bengalis as a punitive measure for their rebellion.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > We can then proceed to take a peek at the following
> U.
> > > N.
> > > > > > > > Convetion:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Excerpt from the Convention on the Prevention and
> > > > Punishment
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > Genocide (For full text click here)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Article II: In the present Convention, genocide
> means
> > > any
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole
> or
> > > in
> > > > > > part, a
> > > > > > > > national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > (a) Killing members of the group;
> > > > > > > > > > > (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > group;
> > > > > > > > > > > (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions
> of
> > > > life
> > > > > > > > calculated to bring about its physical destruction in
> whole
> > or
> > > > in
> > > > > > part;
> > > > > > > > > > > (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births
> > within
> > > > the
> > > > > > group;
> > > > > > > > > > > (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to
> > > another
> > > > > > group.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > (a) Genocide;
> > > > > > > > > > > (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
> > > > > > > > > > > (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
> > > > > > > > > > > (d) Attempt to commit genocide;
> > > > > > > > > > > (e) Complicity in genocide. "
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Let us all work for peace as best as each of us can.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Salutes!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Farida Majid
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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