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Sunday, October 2, 2011

[ALOCHONA] Re: Bidyut nai, pani nai....





http://amardeshonline.com/pages/details/2011/10/03/109403

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Isha Khan <bdmailer@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=203295


http://amardeshonline.com/pages/details/2011/09/21/106729
http://jugantor.us/enews/issue/2011/09/21/news0658.htm

Inflation to soar on fuel price hike

Analysts term the decision untimely


Local economists and analysts say that the government's untimely decision to increase fuel prices would accelerate the already high inflation and hurt the poor even more.

Their comments came days after the government increased prices of imported fuel and CNG, and reset the transport fares to shed some subsidy burden.

Former caretaker government adviser Akbar Ali Khan said the inflation would go up substantially due to the fuel price hike as transport costs affect all parts of the economy.

"Firstly, the prices of goods will go up due to rise in transport costs. Secondly, it will affect farmers if the government does not increase their subsidies. Thirdly, the lives of the rural people, who do not have access to electricity, will be more difficult due to rise in kerosene price.

"It will harm the poor and push the inflation rate up. This will create a bad situation as the price rise came at a time when inflation is at 11 percent," he said.

Akbar said three things are contributing to high inflation but the government is doing nothing about them. "Prices of goods and commodities are high in the international market. The taka is depreciating against the dollar. Besides, the government has increased its spending."

Under these circumstances, if another reason is added to inflation, it will accelerate. So, there is a question of timing too, he said, adding, "We have increased the fuel prices during the worst time. We are just adding more fuel to the fire."

Mirza AB Azizul Islam, another caretaker government adviser, said the inflation would obviously increase due to the rise in fuel prices.

"I fear a vicious cycle. If prices of goods and products increase, the garment workers may demand that their living cost has gone up, so their wages should go up. As a result, the production cost at factories will go up if wages are increased.

"The government has to try to avoid this vicious cycle," he said.

He said the government had no other alternative but to increase the prices of fuel. However, he thinks the timing has been very poor.

Mahabub Hossain, executive director of Brac, said the fare of diesel-run buses should not have been increased more than 3 percent and fares of CNG-run buses not more than 2 percent.

"The problem is that the fares could go up more, as some businessmen will exploit the opportunity to increase the fares and make more profit. Here, the government needs to monitor the implementation."

The agro-economist said the cost of irrigation in the boro season would also go up due to rise in fuel prices. Irrigation accounts for 20 percent of the total production cost. Of the amount, diesel cost is 10 percent. As a result, the profit of farmers will shrink.

He said increasing the prices of fuel was a political decision this time.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=203361
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On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Isha Khan <bdmailer@gmail.com> wrote:
Weekly Budhbar report:

http://budhbar.com/?p=6027


On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Isha Khan <bdmailer@gmail.com> wrote:
Ittefaq report:

http://www.bangladeshnews24.com/ittefaq/newspaper/2011/08/07/news0183.php








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[ALOCHONA] Politicians confident, not the people



Politicians confident, not the people

Syed Badrul Ahsan

There is a perceptible surfeit of self-confidence in the nation's political classes these days.

When you observe the ruling Awami League, you are quite surprised by the self-assurance with which its leading lights speak of the future, of the party's future. And then watch the opposition. Within its councils, there is that sure sense that the time is here for a storming of the ramparts, for a final, grand push for glory. Which is of course all very good, even a trifle inspirational.

Nations which suffer from an absence of politicians confident in their ability to mould the future to their liking are societies condemned to live out their times in the sun in dreary dejection. Ours happens to be a land where politics constantly and insistently operates in varied thrilling ways. In short, politics in Bangladesh may have slipped to the level of the mediocre, but you cannot quite say that the drama has gone out of it. The thrills are yet there, and they do some wonderful things to our souls.

Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina's confidence in her ability to steer the ship of state and have it drop anchor on happy shores cheers us to no end. She has just informed us, yet once again, that the next spate of general elections in Bangladesh will be held under the present government, her own, and that there will be no room for a caretaker administration to fill the interregnum between the end of the term of the present parliament and a fresh new round of voting at the national level.

Her self-confidence is remarkable, for she has made it clear -- and she believes she is right -- that the opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party must take part in the elections if it means to remain part of the political process. As citizens, we honestly trust that her judgement will turn out to have been fashioned on a correct reading of the national pulse, that her government will push on with its plans to give the country a credible election. One only wishes that her confidence were infectious, that we could truly believe the prime minister will be able to pull off a coup, of sorts. Her confidence is her own. Somehow it does not seem to be percolating down to us. And there's the pity.

Now watch BNP chief Khaleda Zia's spirited demonstration of self-confidence. She predicts that the days of this government are numbered, that it will soon fall on its face, indeed that by September next year the nation will be celebrating its triumph through pushing Sheikh Hasina and her administration out of office. You would think, listening to Khaleda and her acolytes, that we happen to inhabit some despot-driven spot somewhere in the Middle East where the winds of a new spring blow, of the kind that brought down Hosni Mubarak and Zine al Abidine Ben Ali.

The leader of the opposition has absolutely no time to speak for her party's constituents in parliament. Nor is there any sign of a willingness to do so. Obviously, she and her party colleagues are little inclined to explain why they have thus turned their backs on those who sent them, in however diminished a number, to the legislature in the last election. They will not go to parliament and yet they are reluctant to give up their seats. But, of course, they are confident, all of them, that the next electoral exercise will be conducted by a caretaker government, that those holding power today will come by no more than 30 seats, that indeed the Bangladeshi nationalists will lead the country once more into the future. They are not willing to explain their past.

Confidence, then, is in the air -- everywhere you look around, in every sight and in every sound. There was a moment in times past when Hasina was confident that the caretaker system would propel Bangladesh toward liberal, secular democracy. For Khaleda, confidence was in decrying the call for a caretaker form of government as sheer naivete or the ravings of a lunatic. Sit back and reflect on how the tables have turned, on how ideas have risen or fallen, on how irony has made inroads into national politics.

In all this quotidian demonstration of confidence and self-assurance on the part of the nation's leading politicians, it is the self-confidence of the hapless citizens which has plumbed the depths. Their self-esteem is low.

The future, for them, always comes in dark shades of the past. The centre cannot hold. The world caves in. Life loses much of its meaning in the tumult of rising prices, relentless corruption and ubiquitous political uncertainty.

And we succumb to the shrill call of somnambulism in the gathering night.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=204977



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[ALOCHONA] Rights worry over disappearances 17 vanished in 9 months



Rights worry over 'disappearances' : 17 'vanished' in 9 months

Disappearance of people has become a phenomenon so widespread that it worries the rights activists and the chief of the National Human Rights Commission.

The trend of disappearance and mysterious killings has taken an alarming turn a year after the Awami League-led grand alliance came to power in January 2009.

Speaking at a discussion in the capital yesterday, Human Rights Commission Chairman Mizanur Rahman said, "We are concerned over police and Rab personnel taking away people. Some just disappear while some end up being bodies dumped on roads.

"We never wanted this Bangladesh. This cannot be the spirit of our Liberation War; this is certainly violation of human rights."

The programme was organised to mark the fifth founding anniversary of Bangladesh Human Rights Forum at the National Museum.

"Human rights cannot be protected without assistance from the state. Unfortunately, the state itself violates human rights, and yet we have to turn to it for redressing the situation," said a lamenting Mizanur.

In a report published yesterday, human rights group Odhikar said 17 people have been missing since being picked up by law enforcers in the last nine months.

It called on the government to put an end to all extra-judicial killings, torture and forced disappearances.

On November 25 last year, rights organisation Ain o Salish Kendra said 22 people were reported to have disappeared in eight months since January 2010.

Citing newspaper reports, its officials said the actual number would be much higher. Many families are too scared to report that law enforcement agencies are behind the disappearance of their loved ones.

In October last year, three youths disappeared during clashes between villagers and law enforcers in Rupganj over purchase of land for an army housing project.

The Daily Star ran a report a month after that incident. Family members of the victims at that time said they were certain the three would never return. They even held milad mahfil (special prayers) at local mosques to pray for their "departed souls".

Dhaka City Corporation councillor and BNP leader Chowdhury Alam has been without a trace since he was allegedly abducted by some law enforcers late in the evening of June 25, 2010.

The number of secret-murder victims has also increased in the city over the last few years.

The Daily Star on May 6 last year reported that seven people were killed in mysterious circumstances in last nine days. It was a clear indication that such killings were on the rise.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=204970


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RE: [ALOCHONA] Zia was the key shadow man



People who criticize ziaur rahman, are just bottomless humans.

How many clean, uncorruptable, hard working leaders we have produced like ziaur rahman ?

time will tell.







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From: faruquealamgir@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:18:55 +0600
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Zia was the key shadow man



Friends  

This Lifschltz is proving again n again that he has been paid by the people who created serious unrest situation to benefit power beyond border to undo the coveted "SHADHINATA" under great leadership of Col. Taher. The people of Bangladesh is aware of the situation that led to the so called uprising by the force detrimental to sovereignty of the newly born Bangladesh organized by Taher/Inu gong.(inu lately confessed his association with the dubious plot to dismantle the Armed forces n established terror forces to subjugated/supress people l and establish a reign of terror that was established the hated POL POT OF KHEMAR ROUGE OF COMBODIA.

This Lifschltzpaid agent of the Hidu Staaan  had been caught red handed to unleash flood of lies after lies to tarnish the patriotic role of the great Patriot "Ziaur Rahman" the father of the " Restoration Multi -Party Politics" which was shamelessly strangulated by the only chetonadhari of "Gonotontro" party BAL. This twin brother of another greatest congenital lier   AGA CHOU is trying to act as the only truthful person to help re-colour the tainted and anti Bangladesh acts of Taher and gong which really put the Bangladesh's entity,sanctity,spirit and sovereignty at stake. Had then government not been careful and acted timely and in line then Bangladesh's existence would have been in jeopardy ???

This ugly face n real motto of tainted n corrupt of this so-called journalist( Lifschltz) had been exposed by several prudent and renowned political analyst of Bangladesh and the last one has been done by Major(retd) Mizanur Rahman in his well informed treatise published in Daily Amardesh today the 11th September 2011 with facts and truths about his "LIE CAMPAIGN" against the 
"GREAT MUKTI JODHDHA  ZIAUR RAHMAN".
People who are interested to know the real truth and the real situation created by the tainted criminal group against the existence of Bangladesh should read articles that were published in the News media while commemorating the gloriours/tainted(???) acts of Taher n gong n judge by themselves the correct role of these quislings anti people gong and the role of the great Patriot Ziaur Rahman who paved the way for Bangladesh to be known to the world community as an aspirant of Independence from the clutch of the beasts Pakistanis by declaring independence over Radio which was recognized by so-called journalist   Lifschltz( in his book Bangladesh, The Unfinished Revolution page # 32 n Inu( Daily Amardesh 6th Novewmber 2011)the accomplice of Taher.

But this stupid tainted journalist did not have moral courage and honesty to come voluntarily to Bangladesh High Court(as he did purposely to taint the great  Mukti Jodhdha Ziaur Rahman tarnishing as murderer of Taher) to give witness that Ziaur Rahman was the declarer of Independence that he wrote in the above mentioned book nor he had the courage to disown his own writing. 

Friends, how can people deny or forget the great defiant resolute strong voice of the great Patriot Ziaur Rahman that they have heard  over the radio on 27th March n again on 28th March and on n on which gave strength for then 750 million Bangladeshis  who was confused after the deadly massacre inflicted by the Beast Pakistanis on 25th March in Dhaka and around. 

Finally, I would like to say that the evil game initiated by the bestial neighbour and it's local quislings/concubines is on to undo our "MOHAN SHADHINATA"  n turn us to a Seba Dash of the Akhand ???? n give in our aspiration to glow as an free,independent n sovereign nation in the comity of nation.The evil dream of Daadaaas is still on that the "Peasants of then East Bengal" should turn as supplier to their economy not maintain a separate entity.

But be it clear to all detractors to Bangladesh's Shadhinata that we earned our coveted "Shadhinata" not as a gift of any beast or nation/family or party rather it was earned by a "OCEAN OF BLOOD OF MILLIONS OF MUKTI JODHDHAS" led by patriots like General MAG Osmany and Ziaur Rahman n other courageous Sector Commanders of our glorious "MUKTO JUDHDHA". So, our Shadhinata do not in any way owe to anyone as it is now being propagated by the so-called Chetonadharis. 

Let the heroic sacrifice of the Martyrs remain ever glowing in the "Akash Batash Nodi Prantor" of BANGLADESH  n the Lal Sabuj Pataka to fly high with right dignity n honour forever n ever.

 

BANGLADESH  ZINDABAD
ZINDABAD  
BANGLADESH ZINDABAD


Faruque Alamgir






On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Isha Khan <bdmailer@gmail.com> wrote:
 

Zia was the key shadow man

Says Lifschultz



Noted journalist Lawrence Lifschultz has said he believes former president Ziaur Rahman was the "key shadow man" behind the August 15, 1975 putsch. "I believe many more details about Ziaur Rahman's involvement in the August 15th events will emerge in the future. It is my assessment at this point in time that Zia played perhaps the most crucial of all roles," Lifschultz told BSS in an interview ahead of the National Mourning Day.

Zia had his own reasons for not leading the coup himself but "without his support, I do not believe the coup d'état could have moved forward", he added. "Zia was the key shadow man. Had he been against the coup he could have stopped it. Of course, it was his constitutional duty to do so. "Ziaur Rahman is a very complicated character. We need to understand in much greater depth how he operated in the shadows during these crucial times," said the US journalist.

He was the Bangladesh correspondent of Far Eastern Economic Review in the early 1970s. The Review later appointed him as its New Delhi-based South Asia correspondent.Lifschultz documented the tumultuous coups and counter-coups of the 70s in Bangladesh: An Unfinished Revolution.He is also acclaimed for his reports on India-Pak relations and Bosnian issues.

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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?



Bramho is not a separate religion, it is a samaj or a sect within Hinduism.

One can be dwaitwadi, adwaitwadi, ek-ishwarwadi, bahu-ishwarwadi even nir-ishwarwadi and still can be called. Hindu.

You interpret the texts as per your understanding and find your own path to the ultimate is what is Hinduism.

Hinduism is a fount of many philosophies, It is funny when these are assumed to be different from Hinduism.

In fact, go ahead and imagine that the Adhinayak, tagore refers to is almighty Allah!

Prasad

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From: Mahbub Kamal <mahbubk2002@yahoo.com>
Sender: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 11:04:51 -0700 (PDT)
To: <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
ReplyTo: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?

 

Mr. Singh:
 
Where did you find the name of 'Lord Krishna'?
 
Gurudev Rabindranath Thakur was a follower of 'Bramho' religion, this relgion depicts Bramha the Creator as the single God.
 
I don't think Gurudev had meant the British monarchy as 'Janagana Mana Adhinayaka', he meant the divine God. I don't want to cooment on SriKrishna, whether he is a god or a mythological character (to me both are same) is a matter of belief.
 
Brahma Kripahi Kebolom.
 
Thank You

--- On Sat, 10/1/11, nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Received: Saturday, October 1, 2011, 6:12 PM

 
Dear All,

Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna. Please read the short article at 
 

For the complete article read it at 

Please forward this mail to as many people as you can. The British created the myth that our gods and goddesses are mythological characters. This is not true and our Vedic scriptures confirm it.

Regards,

Nihar Singh



--- On Sat, 10/1/11, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 1, 2011, 4:50 PM



Q. Rahman has misinterpreted the events in early Islam



>>>>> I asked you for "SOURCES" of your knowledge but only received some allegations ( Also inaccurate--I may add)  as response.


Had Islam been sent for all humanity, in spite of over a thousand years of effort, Muslims are about twenty percent of the total world population, that certainly speaks about non almightiness of Allah

>>>>>>>> I don't mind clearing up your misunderstanding but this is high school stuff my friend. Islam speaks to humanity. Unlike other religious scriptures ( Bible OT and NT came for JEWS only, Veda, Puranas for Indians only). I don't mean to use this information as insults but taking this information from scriptures only.

Islam teaches us NOT to force religion unto others. { Source: Al Qur'an 2:256, Chapter 109 }

So despite Muslim rule over Spain and India, people carried on with their faith traditions. Allah does NOT want to force people into anything. You have been given "Free will" and Allah will judge when time will come. No need to get so excited about Islam. Slowly I'll try to answer all of your questions. I'll also try to give you sources to my answers, so you can ALSO verify them. Inshallah!!

I do not care what religion you follow ( Or if you do not follow any religion) but simply see a lot of misconception about this topic. So I am just trying replace wrong information with correct information. I hope all members can relax and put your feet up and just do some old fashion "Adda". We can learn from each others. I am always open for "Correction" and open for new knowledge. I happened to spent some time in interfaith discussions, so I happen to know a few things about Islam. However if I make any mistakes, feel free to correct me (Hopefully with source of your point).

Take it easy!! :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 1, 2011 4:53 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?

 
Sorry for 'an religious', it was originally 'an Islamic', then I decided to generalize the termQ. Rahman has misinterpreted the events in early Islam.  Prophet sent emissaries demanding conversion and tithes, the Abissynian Emperor agreed to give a hearing but refused the tithes and hence was denied a conversion.  The Byzantines and the Persians rejected the deal right away. No religion is ever revealed.  It comes as necessary modification to the existing society.  Had Islam been sent for all humanity, in spite of over a thousand years of effort, Muslims are about twenty percent of the total world population, that certainly speaks about non almightiness of Allah.  And if Mr. Rahman has any idea of the demography of Islam, he might observe that most Muslims live in an area formerly ruled by Hindus.  The decadence of Hinduism brought about the prominence of  Islam.  Conversion to Islam has saved it from the descendants of Halagu Khan, but it was not encouraged before the Abbasids.  Actually it was discouraged by the Ummayads.

Priesthood is quite powerful in Islam.  If you pray under the guidance of your Imam at the mosque, you get 27 times more sawab.  The list of people you can't criticize also includes the Imam, your local priest.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
Two of three quotes are my original, with an religious mind set, one should voluntarily leave 'muktomona'.  Following the early Greeks, Islam used to believe in the flat earth and geocentric universe.  Priesthood is not absent in Islam.


On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:31 PM, qar <qrahman@aim.com> wrote:
 
It is written, Islam is exclusively for the people who speak Arabic

>>>>>>>> I am afraid, I am hearing this for the first time. If this was the case why did prophet Muhammad (PBUH) sent people to preach Islam to all corners of the world? In fact religions BEFORE Islam came to specific communities BUT Islam came for ALL of humanities. This is what I understand about Islam. 

Having said that, I am always up for learning new things. Therefore, kindly share the SOURCE of your statement. Where in Islam says it came for Arabs only? Appreciate your earliest attention!!

Religion is nothing more than a conspiracy of the priesthood

>>>>>>>>>> That was the complaint about religions BEFORE Islam ( Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism etc). Islam does not give much power to priesthood. 

The almighty God has not even revealed the correct structure of the universe to the proponents of religion


>>>>>>>> This is a popular argument about the Bible (OT AND NT). Not about Islam. I would encourage you to be a little more original. Anyone can cut and paste, can you back up your statements (With sources from religious scriptures)? 

Take care!! ;-)


-----Original Message-----
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:05 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?

 
I would like to add that those people who want others to believe that religion is the strongest bond of nationhood has not studied religious literature properly.  It is written, Islam is exclusively for the people who speak ArabicReligion is nothing more than a conspiracy of the priesthood.  They survive and thrive on the tithes extracted from their followers.  The almighty God has not even revealed the correct structure of the universe to the proponents of religion.  One twenty inch telescope revealed more to Galileo than all the angels did to the prophets.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
Nationalism is the last refuge of scoundrels, wrote a savant named Samuel Johnson.


On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:48 AM, S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com> wrote:
 
 
Mr Shubimol Chakrabarty, yes, religion is the strongest bond of nationhood  compared to other bonds .Mr Jinnah said that Muslim majority areas should form independent state and Hindu majority areas of subcontinent should form another state and in both states  minorities would remain there with all human rights.
Shah Abdul Hannan

From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of subimal chakrabarty
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:17 AM

To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
 
 
Pretty funny! What kind of statement is this? 
What about the bondage between Muslims and Hindus of Bangladesh? Is it "thin"? Do they belong to "Bangladeshi jati"? 
Do Hindus of West Bengal and Muslims of West Bengal belong to "Indian jati"? Is it "thin" or "thick"? 
I think the purpose of Mr. Hannan's statement is to fish in the troubled waters. He is thinking more in terms of religious divide. This reminds me of Jinnah's Two-Nation Theory. Mr. Hannan seems to be talking in the same line. According to Jinnah all the Indian Hindus constituted one nation and all the Indian Muslims constituted another nation. He forgot about other religious groups.
Pretty funny!  
Mr. Hannan should recognize that religion is only one element (it may even be absent) in the structure of a nation. Hindu majority India and Hindu majority Nepal did not form one nation. All the Christian dominated countries in Europe did not form one nation. 
 
From: S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?

 
There is no Bangalee Jati as there is no Gujrati jati or Bihari jati or punjabi Jati  Bond of unity of bangla speaking Muslims of Bangladesh and Banglaspeaking Hindus of West bengal is very thin.They belong to Bangladeshi jati or Indian jati respectively. For becoming jati you require much stronger bond.
 
Shah Abdul hannan
 
From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jiten Roy
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 8:44 AM
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
 
 
 
I do not know if there is a perfect English translation for the Bengali word "Jati." As a Jati - we are Bangalee, irrespective of our religious affiliations, castes, and creeds. Bangalee-Jati is our secular cultural identity. The Bangalee-Jatiotabad consists of certain secular characteristics, such as, we celebrate Pahela-Boishakh, Bashata-Baran, Ekushe-February (February 21st), etc. etc. with cultural, and ritualistic activities. There are other festivities and practices, which used to be celebrated widely, irrespective of religious affiliations, but now mainly scattered fashion. They are Poush-Sangcranti, celebrated with varieties of Cakes (Pithas), Chaitra-Sangcranti, celebrated with cultural activities and fairs, Maghi-Purnima, etc. etc.  Bangalee-Jatiotabad, being above and beyond our religious characteristics, is the glue that can unite the majority under a true secular platform.
 
Closest English word for 'Jatiotabad' is Nationalism; I know it does not completely express the full meaning of the term Jatiotabad, as we mean. That's where the confusion comes from. Bangalee-Jatiotabad or Bengali-Nationalism is not a state entity. But, state has to allow free exercise of those secular rights and characteristics, and state has to nourish it to flourish. Non-Bangalees have their own secular Jatiotabad, and they should be allowed to exercise them freely also.
 
If I have misconception, please let me know.
 
I appreciate all your comments. Thanks.
 
Jiten Roy
 
--- On Sat, 9/24/11, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: " mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com " < mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com >
Date: Saturday, September 24, 2011, 7:01 PM
 
"-------------and nationalism is a cultural identity, which reflects majority cultural."----Dr. Jiten Roy
 
Let us take an example to examine Dr. Roy's comment. Nationality of Indians is Indian which indicates that their nationality is Indian. No problem with that. But which group of people constitutes the majority and what is this majority group's culture? Are these the people in the Hindi belt? Obviously not. Even being an Indian by nationality, a Bengali or an Assamese is a Bengali or an Assamese. Even within the subset of Bengal ( West Bengal ), we cannot force a Gorkha to identify himself as a Bengali. If the Gorkhas are culturally, linguistically, and historically distinct from Bengalis, why should we force them to call themselves Bengalis?  
 
"There is no issue of fairness in nationalism."---Dr. Jiten Roy
 
It will be quite unfair to force a Chakma to call himself a Bengali as this very word reflects language, culture, and history. Politically he is a "citizen of Bangladesh " but culturally a Chakma. The majority has no right to force a Chakma to accept a Bengali's cultural identity. This is not only unfair, this is coercive also.
 
"There has been an orchestrated attempt to alter our cultural identity (Bangalee) in this region during Pakistani era, and it is still going on in Bangladesh ."----Dr. Jien Roy
 
I agree. Pakistani regimes tried to redefine Bengalis in East Pakistan as Pakistanis. That was a political game with India . But what is going on now? I would expect some elaboration. Regards.
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
 
Everybody is missing my point. I am simply asking - what is our cultural identity, not our religious identity or nationality? 
 
Nationality and nationalism are two different things. Nationality is citizenship, and nationalism is a cultural identity, which reflects majority cultural. There is no issue of fairness in nationalism. There has been an orchestrated attempt to alter our cultural identity (Bangalee) in this region during Pakistani era, and it is still going on in Bangladesh .
 
Jiten Roy --- On Thu, 9/22/11, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: " mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com " < mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com >
Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 10:29 PM
 
Bangladesh is a political entity, as opposed to a cultural one. May be, Najrul Islam's Bangla Desh and Ravindranath's Sonar Bangla were cultural, and those included more than the political entity of Bangladesh ; they also excluded at least the Chittagong Hill Tracts, which is a part of today's political Bangladesh .
 
Citizenship (nationality) is not cultural. I wish the secular politicians and intellectuals of  Bangladesh did not start this non-sense of Bangalee nationalism in 1971-72. It was wrong to ask the CHT people to call themselves Bangalees. Again, Bangalee nationalism was not really the spirit of all movements during 1947-71, and should not have been unless if we wanted to merge with West Bengal and allowed CHT to secede from us. Fairness, respect and dignity for Bangla and the Bangalees should not be considered the same as Bangalee nationalism. Bangalee nationalism would have demanded a separate nation for the Bangalees, even if the western Pakistanis treated the Bangalees with due respect. Our real spirit was no nationalism; it was fairness, respect and dignity for us.
 
Citizenship for anyone who seeks it? It is not done anywhere in the world. All countries have their laws to govern how a non-citizen would be given citizenship.
 
I would not ask Awami League to revive the so-called Bangalee nationalism (citizenship), rather I would ask them to respect all peoples of the land with respect; much like I would not ask them to call all Bangladeshis Muslims, much like I would not ask all Indians to be known as Hindus, much like I would not desire all cultural, linguistic and ethnic groups of the United States to be called Christians or English.
 
Well, so long for now,
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] HAVOC CREATED BY JAMATI'S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Dr. Bain's comments tells me that, in my last sarcastic comments, I did not clarify my points enough; hence confusions.
I was looking for a cultural identity for the people of Bangladesh . I explored 3 conventional identities (Bangalee, Bangladeshi, and Moderate Muslim), which have been used in the past to represent the people of Bangladesh . But, none of them seemed to encompass all people. As a result, the identity crisis still remains, and we do not know who we are.
After Bangladesh was born, our cultural identity (Jatiota) was Bangalee, and our nationality was also Banglalee. Ershad changed our nationality to Bangladeshi. The motive was to include all the people of Bangladesh , so he told us at that time. Was it really the motive? If that was true – all non-Bangalee Biharis should have been citizen by now, and Father Tim, the former Principal of Notre Dame College, would have been citizen already. If you say that our nationality is Bangladeshi - then we should grant citizenship to any permanent resident of Bangladesh , if they seek one.
In my view, it was done purposefully to defuse pre-independence secular mindset, and neutralize the Bangalee-Jatiotabadi spirit, the spirit of independence movement. As you know, Quranic verses and state religion (Islam) were also introduced in the secular constitution right around that time.
Dr. Bain, Bangalee-Jatiotabadi spirit has been the driving force behind all movements in the East Pakistan since the language movement in 1952. Even though Sheikh Mujib was not seeking independence at the beginning, but his movement was fueled by the Bangali-Jatiotabadi spirit. This is the spirit that still can unite the mjority in Bangladesh . That's why - I have been asking Awami League to revive that spirit for their sake.
 
Thanks for your comments. Love to hear from you. Don't be a stranger.
 
Jiten Roy --- 








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