[ALOCHONA] The Economist on the failed coup in Bangladesh (A MUST READ!)

Turbulent house

The Economist – January 28, 2012

[Ishraq Ahmed] makes many claims. Among the more plausible and specific is that spies from India's Research Analysis Wing (RAW) operate in the country. He claims, too, that for two years RAW has had an office within the headquarters of Bangladeshi Intelligence in Dhaka and a "direct submarine cable for communications" back to India. He claims that Indians conduct electronic surveillance in the country and kidnap suspects from Bangladeshi cities. Indian prodding, he adds, encourages the government to crack down on "anyone with beards. Any practising Muslim is vilified and portrayed as Taliban."

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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Border Killings !!!

ছবি জালিয়াতি করে সীমান্তের গন্ডগোলের নামে জামাত-শিবিরের মিথ্যাচারের প্রমান

http://www.somewhereinblog.net/blog/Habibfprblog/29530060 

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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Border Killings !!!

 

The function of a border guard is to protect the border from illegal intrusion. Anything can happen when someone tries to cross the border illegally. What do you expect from a BSF guard when you try to cross the border illegally – a bouquet of flowers? Y ou already mentioned that Indian authority has punished those killers. What else do you want from them now?

 

Are you infected by the virus called "India-paranoia?" Pakistani regime used to spread this virus among the people. It is sad to see that - you still possess it.

 

Have you heard the news that Pakistan has already declared favorite-nation-status to India? Now, wide range of Pakistani goods will be able to flow to India. Bangladesh needs to maintain good relationship with India also to access their large consumer market. Progress and prosperity does not come from empty-talks and vacuous-pride only. You need very low-IQ people to buy your arguments.

 

You have initiated your reply with the sentence "Like all minorities of a special group you are unsuccessfully trying to defend kllling/beating by Hayena BSF Force." You meant all Hindus defend border killings by BSF. Do you understand that this is a stereotypical statement of a communal person?

 

Jiten Roy

From: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
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Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Border Killings !!!

 

Jiten Roy,

 

Like all minorities of a special group you are unsuccessfully trying to defend  kllling/beating by Hayena BSF Force. Are you a citizen of India or Bangladesh ?

Indian BSF aithorities already investigated and punished the killers of the unfortunatomes to blaming the BSFe Bangladesh girls. It has been a proven crime againsting  humanity.

You behaving like Mr. Manik of Awami League who is more pro-Indian than the Indians.

Yes you are a doubter when it comes to blaming the Indians.

Just ask yourself whether such behavior of a Force of a civilized democratic nation acceptable, you will get an an answer.

All those we see aren't doctored video/photo created by special interest group rather plain tuth and real picture as blamed by diehard BSF supporteres like Mr. Manik.

Be fearless to condemn animalistic behavior of any armed force.

Thanks again.

 

 

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Border Killings !!!
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:05:48 -0800 (PST)

 

I am a doubter, I admit; I doubt everything. So, I think that recent video of border-beating and the picture of the dead well-dressed little girl at the Bangladesh-India border need some scrutiny. How did she get killed? Did somebody hung her dead body at the fence for pictures? If not, why she wanted to cross the border. Are they part of an organized black-market ring? Or, were they innocent victims of a setup by some vested interest groups for obtaining political talking-points? How did they acquire those images if these incidents occurred on the other side of the border? Anybody knows?

 

If these incidents were not due to a border-intrusion by BSF, I agree with you on the point that - whatever happens at the border involving illegal border crossings should have no bearing on the relationship between the two neighboring countries. 

 

Jiten Roy

 

 

From: Golam Akhter <akhtergolam@gmail.com>
To: SAIF Davdas <islam1234@msn.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 7:59 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Border Killings !!!

 

Dear India Haters and Awami League Lovers,

 

Any Killing is wrong and prohibited by Universal Declaration of Human Rights, either as punishment or with any intention. Mexican border killings as per police claim are related to drug and violence related to drug. Please see the references of Border Killings in Bangladesh and Mexico below:

 

Please cool down or drink a little bit more Koolaid to keep you calm and quiet to use your Allah/God/Creator  given or endowed quality, "reason and conscience" or "Ashraful Makhlukat'  as embodied in the Declaration of Universal Human Rights of United Nations Article 1. http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml#a1    , ratified by 195+ sovereign countries of the world, this is the sole quality which differentiate us from living animals- only animals do not use "reason and conscious" living human should, if he does not then he degrades himself to animals, criminals, mentally disabled or what not. So please use your  "reason and conscious" in your all activities, thinking, arguments, talking, writing, emails etc. etc.

Article 1.

• All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

So many killings happen in Mexican Border but friendship between Mexico and USA has never been to breaking point, The Mexicans, natural resources rich , but  mostly poor because of their bad governments, poor Mexicans cross the border illegally knowing full well that it is illegal and border police may kill most of the time if attempt goes wrong any time. Like our Bangladesh , we are very poor for our bad and corrupted governments. I know the best brain surgeon, it was in Readers' Digest Article,  of Johns Hopkins crossed the border 7 times while he was a teen ager, police put him back 6 times because he surrendered and was  arrested, he used to pick  ripe red tomatoes as a farm worker boy, went to school did very well and became a brain surgeon, now he says pick up red tomato like brain tumour from his patients' brains;  he spends at least 25% of his time and money volunteering and helping other poor kids irrespective of ethnicities to go to school and for their education

Regards.

Yours sincerely,

Golam F. Akhter, Bangladesh-USA Human Rights Coalition Inc.

 

Reference 1. Bangladesh Border Killings:    http://www.irinnews.org/report.aspx?ReportId=94399 

 

"....................Some 347 Bangladeshis and 164 Indians have been killed by Indian forces since 2006, when the Indian government built the wall, according to BSF................................."

Reference 2. Mexico Border Killings:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrant_deaths_along_the_Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_border

Migrant deaths along the Mexico–U.S. border occur hundreds of times a year because of those attempting to cross into the United States from Mexicoillegally.^[1] The number of deaths has steadily increased since the mid-1990s with exposure (including heat stroke, dehydration, and hypothermia) being the leading cause.^[2]

According to the United States Border Patrol, 1,954 people died crossing the U.S–Mexico border between the years 1998-2004.^[3] In the fiscal year ending September 29, 2004, 460 migrants died crossing the U.S.-Mexico border.^[4] In 2005, more than 500 died across the entire U.S.-Mexico border.^[5] The number of yearly border crossing deaths has doubled since 1995.^[6] In 2009, 417 deaths were reported across the border.^[7] Yet the statistics cited by scholars and the media are only the number of known deaths and do not include those who have never been found, underestimating the actual number of migrants that have died attempting unauthorized border crossings.^[8]

 

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On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:54 PM, SAIF Davdas <islam1234@msn.com> wrote:

Mohiuddin Saheb> Don't worry, pretty soon your Ler-Kay-Lengay-Hindustan Netri
will be in Power. She will put the Indian Maalaaoons in their rightful place and establish
your dream of United Pakistan. I propose a new name for the United Pakistan-RAZAAKARISTAN!  
That way you guys can defend your action by saying, see we did not want Pakistan!
 
SaifDevdas
islam1234@msn.com

 

From: mohiuddin@netzero.net
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 18:13:03 +0000
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Subject: Re: Fw: Border Killings !!!

Mr. Manik,

Advisor of Awami League,

 

According to the latest statement from Mr. Ashraf, Secretery Of Awami League, such BSF brutality will continue and we have to live with this tragedy for long time.

Why can't we prevent BSF brutality?

What's the deal ?

Are we weak to defend our border population since our BDR crippled ?

Why BSF can't do similar brutalities against Pakistani border people ?

Can't we fight back ?

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From: Muhammad Ali <manik195709@yahoo.com>
To: undisclosed recipients: ;
Subject: Fw: Border Killings !!!
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:46:25 -0800 (PST)

 

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: sharafat majumdar <uchitkotha72@hotmail.com>
To: mohiuddin@netzero.net
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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 5:34 PM
Subject: Border Killings !!!

Mr. Anwar,

BSF killed 350 bangladeshis when BNP was in power (2001-2006). Did you protest that time ? Where was your big mouth that time ? Your guru Nizami and Mujahidi were ministers during that time !!!! So, stop your HUKKA HUA with border killing . BSF is killing bangladeshis but you are killing English language in your mails. Try to be literate in this forum .

Sharafat Majumder.

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One does not need to be too caustic to Annemarie Schimmel ! The Holy Quran does not hide the fact that it wants the whole mankind to embrace Islam. Those who want to spread Islam do so openly and hope that one day " everybody in the world accepts Islam." One need not be a genius to understand this much. The question is what does Islam preach about slavery. Does it encourage it or discourage it? That is the moot question. One does need to be an expert to decipher that Islam discourages slavery in any form. The Holy Quran and the Prophet of Islam have been unambiguous on this message. No need to try and muddle up this message.

Mustafizur Rahman

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To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: jnrsr53@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:56:16 -0800
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly

 

 

"Only children of slaves or non-Muslim prisoners of war can become slaves, never a freeborn Muslim; therefore slavery is theoretically doomed to disappear with the expansion of Islam."

 

Whoever opined like this - thinks that, we don't need to look for any other remedy for slavery, it will be abolished when everybody in the world accepts Islam. What a genius that guy is!  

 Finally, we all can sleep well thinking that slavery is going to be over soon. What a relief!

Jiten Roy

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly

 

"Only children of slaves or non-Muslim prisoners of war can become slaves, never a freeborn Muslim; therefore slavery is theoretically doomed to disappear with the expansion of Islam."----Q. Rahman.

This is better than enslaving all prisoners of war including Muslims. At least Muslims are spared. Muslim warriors kept on conquering non-Muslim kingdoms for many centuries after the death of the prophet. That means slavery could not be brought to an end and with every conquest the world saw more and more slaves. I see this as follows: slavery has always been a profitable one. Religions like Christianity and Islam had to accept and help sustain this unethical and immoral institution until the age of enlightenment (may be 15th century) denounced it. Probably we all know that African slave dealers opposed the abolition of slavery by America.     

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly

 

I think I can add couple of cents to this dialogue.

To start with it is nor right to expect Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to ban slavery overnight. Let me offer an example.

All of us can agree that child labor is a horrible thing for countries like Bangladesh, India and Pakistan. HOWEVER if you have to cancel it overnight, it would cause more pain to those children and their families unless it is a slow gradual process.

Islam is a religion of middle path and a practical religion (If you understand it properly). So it was clearly against making free people into slaves. The Qur'an says...

It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and each and every act of obedience to Allâh, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allâh, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masâkin (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and gives the Zakât, and who fulfill their covenant when they make it, and who are As-Sâbirin (the patient ones, etc.) in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of fighting (during the battles). Such are the people of the truth and they are Al­Muttaqûn (pious).

                                                                                                                     [ Source: The Noble Qur'ân Al-Baqarah 2:177 ]

and Islam motivated it's followers to get out of the system of slavery.

Allâh will not punish you for what is uninentional in your oaths, but He will punish you for your deliberate oaths; for its expiation (a deliberate oath) feed ten Masâkin (poor persons), on a scale of the average of that with which you feed your own families; or clothe them; or manumit a slave. But whosoever cannot afford (that), then he should fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths when you have sworn. And protect your oaths (i.e. do not swear much). Thus Allâh make clear to you His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) that you may be grateful.

[ Source: The Noble Qur'ân An-Nur 2:221 ]

It also ordered it's followers to treat slaves fairly.

I saw Abu Dhar Al-Ghifari wearing a cloak, and his slave, too, was wearing a cloak. We asked him about that (i.e. how both were wearing similar cloaks). He replied, "Once I abused a man and he complained of me to the Prophet. The Prophet (peace be upon him) asked me, 'Did you abuse him by slighting his mother?' He added, 'Your slaves are your brethren upon whom Allah has given you authority. So, if one has one's brethren under one's control, one should feed them with the like of what one eats and clothe them with the like of what one wears. You should not overburden them with what they cannot bear, and if you do so, help them (in their hard job).' "

[ Source: Hadith - Sahih Al-Bukhari 3.721, Narrated Al Marur bin Suwaid ]

I think most of us know the story of Bilal (RA). By asking him to call people to prayer, prophet Muhammad (PBUH) elevated this dark skinned ex-slave in front of Arabs. These are revolutionary steps when you understand all these were done over 1400 years ago!!

I'll share a little from a German scholar on Islam

Annemarie Schimmel in "Islam: An Introduction", p. 67

Slavery was not abolished by the Koran, but believers are constantly admonished to treat their slaves well. In case of illness a slave has to be looked after and well cared for. To manumit [free] a slave is highly meritorious; the slave can ransom himself by paying some of the money he has earned while conducting his own business. Only children of slaves or non-Muslim prisoners of war can become slaves, never a freeborn Muslim; therefore slavery is theoretically doomed to disappear with the expansion of Islam. The entire history of Islam proves that slaves could occupy any office, and many former military slaves, usually recruited from among the Central Asian Turks, became military leaders and often even rulers as in eastern Iran, India (the Slave Dynasty of Delhi), and medieval Egypt (the Mamluks). Eunuchs too served in important capacities, not only as the guardians of the women's quarters, but also in high administrative and military positions.

Hope this will help members to understand Islamic point of view on this topic.


Shalom!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 3:40 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly

 

I suppose the position of Islam on slavery was not the best example for "following the essence of what is good in a religion"; it was an OK example. My reading of the Koran actually tells me that the religion asks its followers to treat slaves with fairness, and considers freeing a slave to be a good deed. It does not condemn slavery, nor does it provide any clear cut reward for freeing a slave.

 

However, that does not change my concept of how to follow religions properly or correctly. I do not think following anything in any religion that is more than a thousand years old should be done literally. Even the good things in them should be judged for their essence, and adapted to fit the good common senses of the civilized human minds.

 

Sukhamaya Bain

 

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>; Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: Mukto-mona's new policy in effect

Presentation of a relevant fact does not have to be professional or scholarly.

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@...>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly

 

Muhammad himself was not rich enough to possess any slave.  However, after marriage, he owned a few.  The most prominent of them was Bilal who became the first muezzin in Islam. History also records him punishing another bunch of slaves who escaped with death.  I wonder if Subimal Chakravarty found this article 'scholarly'.

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 8:19 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly

To me, following any religion "correctly" would be to follow the essence of what is good in it, dump what is bad in it, and not waste too much time trying to prove something in it to be good when it actually looks pretty bad. I do not have the patience to hear the context in which something hateful was uttered in a religious book. Hateful words in a religious book do necessarily make that religion bad. To me, the context does not matter, because a hateful utterance is very likely to make the average follower hateful; the average follower is likely to have no time or wisdom to see the context. Also because most human beings should not have too much time to spend on religions; they need to keep using, developing and improving science and technology, without which even the religious fanatics would not have the quality of life that they are enjoying.

 

Here is an example of what I call "following the essence of what is good in religions." Mohammad's preaching of Islam had praise and rewards for people who freed slaves; he did not abolish slavery through his religion. To me, that was great in the 6^th century; and I can respect him for that. But now, we are not as primitive as the 6^th century people, we can do better than that. We not only abolish slavery, we treat all innocent humans with respect and dignity; we even afford a good deal of dignified treatment to criminals.

 

Sukhamaya Bain

 

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"Only children of slaves or non-Muslim prisoners of war can become slaves, never a freeborn Muslim; therefore slavery is theoretically doomed to disappear with the expansion of Islam."

 

Whoever opined like this - thinks that, we don't need to look for any other remedy for slavery, it will be abolished when everybody in the world accepts Islam. What a genius that guy is!  

 Finally, we all can sleep well thinking that slavery is going to be over soon. What a relief!

Jiten Roy