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Wednesday, February 8, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh



The difference between 'Arb' and 'Harb' is insignificant.  But when Wikipedia quotes Vulgate that Moses grew horns after he was chosen to represent Yahweh, because ancient Egyptian God Aten had horns too.  Some say, Aten became YHWH before transforming into Yahweh.  I prefer to spell that vengeful God as Yahoo.  I fear some 'Baiyakaran' would catch me for spelling another word wrongly.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Mahbub Kamal <mahbubk2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

No, I did not know why Michaelangelo's Moses has horn :-) I looked up in Wikipedia as it was quick, there is some explanation there. There might be some evidence supporting this in some other source (which might be authentic). Did not find the need to do so.
 
But what is the point here?
 
I already confessed that I am semi-literate and always trying to learn. Like I did not know that there is a term 'Dar-ul-Arb' - first I thought someone mis-spelled Dar-ul-Harb.
 
Rabindranath Tagore made mockery of  madhykarshan tatta of 'tiki' by 'maha-pandit' neo-hindus (this term is mine), who knows those guys might have been right and Tagore wrong :-) Now we have so-called scientific explanation of Koran - not sure why most of those 'scholars' are non-muslims and do not embrace Islam even though Koran is proved  scientifically corrct? :-)
 
From my experience I have a point though - most of the people with narrow vision thinks themselves as know-all.
 
Anyway, thanks to Subimal Chakraborty, Q. A. Rahman, Farida Majid and Jiten Roy as they always substantiate or try to substantiate their position. BTW, I do not agree with them on all issues, sometimes due to contradictory evidence (in my opinion) and sometimes as my belief is opposite.
 
Thanks to everyone.


--- On Mon, 2/6/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, February 6, 2012, 7:10 PM


 
History, being reconstructed from 'evidences' may sometimes be indeed different from facts.  Different authors would place the same things differently.  Different people would also have different opinions, worst are those who would not stand any criticism.  My question to Mahbub Kamal, "Do you have any clue to why Michelangelo's Moses has horns?  Was he a goat?"

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:33 AM, Mahbub Kamal <mahbubk2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
You haven't seen it because Maulana Azad never declared as Dar-ul-Harb (I have never heard the term 'Dar-ul-Arb' unless it is not a typo). As far as I know Abdul Aziz, son of Shaw Waliullah Deolawi, declared India as Dar-ul-Harb. His disciple, Syed Ahmed Barelvi of Rai Bareilly was the founder of Wahabi movement in India. He was known as Shahid-e-Balakot as he was killed in place called Balakot while fighting against Ranjit Singh's army. 
 
Some people present many 'facts' very forcefully (sometimes too forcefully) which a semi-literate like me find hard to digest, some examples are the English word whore having the same origin as Arabic hur, Ram and Ra-Amun (Amun-Ra?) being the same personality :-)
 
Anyway they may have authentic sources out of at least my reach :-)
 
BTW, one of my ex-colleauges had a strong belief that Nooh (Noah) and Manu were same personality. Another senior colleague told me poet Imrul Kayes embraced Islam after losing in poetry contest with the prophet (P.B.U.H) and that Surah Al-Kawser was a result of the contest. When I said that Imrul Kayes died before the prophet's birth he became extremely angry as he heard that 'history' from his father who was an 'Alim'.
 
Regards.
--- On Sun, 2/5/12, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Received: Sunday, February 5, 2012, 9:39 AM


 

Looked up some stories on Maulana Azad but did not see anything about calling India "Dar-ul_harb"


-----Original Message-----
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:02 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh

 
The exodus occurred in the twenties of last century.  The man you cited existed a century earlier.  Read the history of Indian Independence and Azad's contribution to it.

On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
The message remains the same whether it is Azad or Berelvi.  Ain't it?


On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 6:44 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
I am afraid you are confusing Moulana Abul Kalam Azad with Syed Ahmed Berelvi!

Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2012 10:56 AM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh

 
One should be a little more aware of history.  When Maulana Azad called India 'Darul-i-arb' or the land of war, hundreds of thousands of Moslems packed their bags and crossed the Khyber pass to walk their holy land and perished in Afghanistan.

"In my opinion "spiritual home" assumption is totally wrong. It will also be wrong to say that the spiritual home of a Bangladeshi Hindu is Goya, Kashi, Vrindaban, Mathura, etc. Similarly the spiritual home of Bangladeshi Christians is not Jerusalem."

Indeed, anyone is entitled to his opinion.  However that would cot change the facts.


On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
  • "Spiritual home" of 4 million Hindus is not "thousands of miles away." You are forgetting them!
  • Modern civilized world will never consider letting "him drown" as a good option.
  • In my opinion "spiritual home" assumption is totally wrong. It will also be wrong to say that the spiritual home of a Bangladeshi Hindu is Goya, Kashi, Vrindaban, Mathura, etc. Similarly the spiritual home of Bangladeshi Christians is not Jerusalem.

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 11:25 AM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh

 
I wish to sympathize with my brother.  The basic problem, though, is that his spiritual home is thousands of miles away.  If he does not relocate to the place where his mind is, I have little choice but to let him drown.  Abraham left his motherland after it was too saline to support cultivation.  Rest is history.  If my brother and I are invaded by the ocean, I would have less difficulty than these children of Abraham with a desire to conquer other civilizations by hook or crook.

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:13 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
  • First we should express our concern about the potentially endangered 35 million. We should think about what should be done about them. We do not have even 40 years at our disposal.
  • Of these 35 million about 4 million will be non-Muslims.
  • If the crisis really arises and mass migration to India occurs, can India and the rest of the world really remain indifferent in the face of this humanitarian crisis?
  • Why do we assume that most of them "will probably be brain-washed anti-Indian or down-right communal cadres of BNP/Jamat?" Why can't we see them as the distressed humanity?
  • My brother is sinking and I am worried that he will share and pollute my cousin's home! This cannot be the line of thinking.

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh

 

"Then there is Bangladesh. A one-meter sea level rise - which could happen as soon as 2050 according to some Antarctic specialists - could result in between 22 and 35 million people in Bangladesh relocating from the areas in which they now live and work. Two-thirds of this nation is less than five meters above sea level."
If the above prediction of Al Gore really comes true, can you guess where those 35 million people will go? All of them will move in to India. The eastern belt of West Bengal and Assam is already saturated with Bangladeshi settlers and migrant workers. Colonies after colonies of Bangladeshi settlers are already present all around Delhi, Bombay, and Gujrat; can they take another 35 million Bangladeshi settlers? Most of them will probably be brain-washed anti-Indian or down-right communal cadres of BNP/Jamat. What can India do with such unwanted guests? I do not envision a happy ending. Do you?
Jiten Roy

From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 3:38 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh

 



Portrait, climate activist and former Vice President Al Gore, 11/03/09. (photo: Graeme Robertson)
Portrait, climate activist and former Vice President Al Gore, 11/03/09. (photo: Graeme Robertson)
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Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh

Al Gore, Reader Supported News
01 February 12
 
fter crossing the legendary Drake Passage, we came in sight of the Antarctic continent. It is a majestic, otherworldly place. The Antarctic Peninsula, which juts northward toward South America, is lined with ice-covered mountains and surrounded by abundant wildlife in the sea. But even on this continent that looks and feels pristine, a troubling process is underway because of global warming.
The ice on land is melting at a faster rate and large ice sheets are moving toward the ocean more rapidly. As a result, sea levels are rising worldwide. Most of the world's ice is contained in Antarctica - more than 90 percent. The West Antarctic Ice Sheet, which lies south of the Peninsula, contains enough water to raise sea levels worldwide by more than 20 feet. Part of the ice sheet, the Pine Island Glacier ice shelf, is among the many in Antarctica that are shrinking at an accelerating rate. This has direct consequences for low-lying coastal and island communities all over the world - and for their inland neighbors.
In analyzing the relationship between melting ice and sea level rise, it is important to distinguish between two kinds of ice: the ice on land and the ice floating on top of the sea. When floating ice melts, sea level is not affected, because its weight has already pushed the sea level upward. But the melting of glaciers and ice sheets resting on land does increase sea level rise. So far, the melting of small mountain glaciers and portions of ice sheets in Antarctica and Greenland has been the main contributor to sea level rise from the loss of ice. (As the oceans warm up, their volume naturally expands, and this too has been a contributor to a small portion of the sea level rise that has occurred in the age of global warming).
Scientists aren't yet sure precisely how much sea levels will rise over the next century. What we do know is that sea level rise is occurring already, with real consequences for human beings who live near the coasts. In the world's largest port cities, 40 million people are now already at risk of severe coastal flooding. That number could well triple within the next half-century or so.
Even wealthier countries are not immune to the impacts. In the United States, for example, particularly vulnerable areas are: Miami Beach, the Chesapeake region, coastal Louisiana, and coastal Texas. In some of these areas, the land is sinking even as the oceans rise. This will have implications that extend right up to the steps of our nation's Capitol. A recent study found that sea level rise of only a tenth of a meter would lead to $2 billion in property damage and affect almost 68,000 people in Washington, D.C. In addition, the enhanced threat of storm surges was illustrated last year when tropical storm Irene led to warnings that the New York City subway system and tunnels into the city could be flooded.
But the most vulnerable regions lie in developing countries, where populations are still rising fast and there is little money to shore up infrastructure. The cities most threatened by sea level rise are places like Calcutta and Mumbai in India; Guangzhou, China; and Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. And of course, there are more than a few low-lying island nations - like the Maldives - that are already in imminent danger.
Then there is Bangladesh. A one-meter sea level rise - which could happen as soon as 2050 according to some Antarctic specialists - could result in between 22 and 35 million people in Bangladesh relocating from the areas in which they now live and work. Two-thirds of this nation is less than five meters above sea level. For the nation's 142 million people packed into a small space, climate change poses a nearly unimaginable challenge. The threat of sea level rise is not simply flooding, but saltwater intrusion that hurts the production of rice, the country's staple crop. Increased damage to rice farmers could soon put 20 million farmers out of work and force them into crowded cities.
Here in Antarctica, it's easy to feel isolated from the rest of the world. But as I look at this exquisite continent buried deep under the ice, it's troubling to think about what will happen as this ice melts ever more rapidly.
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[mukto-mona] Re: [notun_bangladesh] Minister Romesh Sen on Teesta waters



  • I have never said that Tipai is good for Bangladesh. I believe there should be more open discussions.
  • Ziaur Rahman requested India to have Tipai. Dipu Moni has found some thing good in it. Ramesh Sen also believes so. Obviously it is AL party's feeling. Why are you singling out Sen and color him as serving Indian interest. Why is this communal attitude?
  • I have never compared Sen with M. Chowdhury. I have said that despite not being an expert, she is doing great. 
  • I do not any thing about Sen. I do not know about his leadership quality. He is one of Hasina's much criticized many choices for her cabinet. Abdul Gaffar Chowdhury is one of the critics. That's a different story.
  • Give up the idea of seeing every Hindu leader as an Indian agent. 


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Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [notun_bangladesh] Minister Romesh Sen on Teesta waters

Mr. Subimol,
 
You unsuccessfully trying  to establish Indian side of the Tipaimukh story, Are you an Indian or Bangladeshi? If you are an Indian I have nothing to say rather I appreciate your stand
for India. But If you are a Bangladeshi , unfortunaytely I can't support your.  You comparing  the most honest Minister of Hasina Administration Motia Chowdhury withcurtrent Water Resource
Minister Romsh Chandra Sen. Do you have any report card or achievemnt record of Sri Sen to proof his quality as Water Resource MInister.  Do you know what qualifies  Mr. Sen to become
Water Resouce Minister ?Supporting a Hindu Minister by a Hindu like you is natural without even knowing his achievment.
Khaleda Zia did big mistake by appointing Nijami's, similarly Hasina did deadly  mistake by appointing Sri Romesh Chondro as  Bangladesh's Water Resouce MInister who has zero knowledge on flood control matters.
Can you tell me what qulifies Sri Sen to lead this very important Ministry ?
Can you provide any singly quality ?
Don't blame prsvious governments action regarding Tipaimukh Dam, We should think about our current situation.
Did Bangladesh's Water Resouce Minister Sri Romesh Chondro ever visited the site of Tipaimkh  to personally know the devastation of this project ?
In the past Hasina adminstration sent a delegayion led by Awami MP  Late Abdur Razzaq, unfortunately they were not allowed to visit the site for unknown reason rather that visit became a pleasure trip for the  delegation.
Delegation  returned without seeing the project nor briefed by their Indian counterpart.
We still have experts to lead this very important Ministry , but Prime MInister Hasina still not considering to appoint one of them to oversee Water Resource of Flood Control.
The reason is unknown to all of us.
 


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: [notun_bangladesh] Minister Romesh Sen on Teesta waters
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:25:58 -0600

Recently we have been reminded that Ziaur Rahman requested India to build Tipaimukh dam. What about that? Our FM has also found some thing positive in it. Why do you pick on a Hindu minister? Please come out of that narrow world. Looks like you are still visited by Pakistani ghosts. India and their agents are at the roots of all evils! One more thing: there is a limit on the number of technocrats you can have in the cabinet. What matters is leadership capability. Many successful ministers are not experts in their respective fields. Look at Motia Chowdhury. Please do not judge everybody with his religion. Many of them were/are much more patriotic than the Jamatis and BNP. I appeal to your good sense. One more thing: never have I said that Tipaimukh is good for Bangladesh. We need objective study of the project. Emotion or partisanism has be shunned. This is called patriotism. 

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On Feb 8, 2012, at 12:37 PM, "Mohiuddin Anwar" <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:

 
Mr. Subimol,
 
As expected you supported  India's position as well as Sri Sen's position on Tipaimukh. Most Bangladeshis knew that,
Sri Sen will support or defend India's position and interest  on Tipaimukh Dam. My understanding is that it was a grave mistake by
Sheikh Hasina to appoint a non-erxpert water resource Minister like Sri Sen who has zero knowledge about flood control.If he can't protect Bangladesh's national
interest he should have resigned from his Ministry as a faithful/patriotic Bangladeshi, He didn't do so nor will will do so.
Why he was  selected for this very important Ministry still a mystery to most observers. That's why this governments
critics like myself believe that Hasina's backer powerful Pronob Mukherjee might have recommended his name to India-friendly Hasina
and Hasina accepted that recommendation. If you donot believe this fact that's your choice.
Giving Gas to India was not comparable to accepting deadly Tipamukh. 
I still believe that  Sri Sen will protect India's interert not Bangladesh's.
It's unthinkable that , India-friendly Hasina administration will file a complain to UN or any International body.
We should not expect that from Bharotbondhu Hasina at least.
 

---------- Original Message ----------
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: [notun_bangladesh] Minister Romesh Sen on Teesta waters
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 14:17:08 -0800 (PST)

 
Mr. Anwar is asking if Ramesh Sen was the choice of Pranab Mukherjee! Did he ask similar question when one BNP minister (Saifur Rahman?) was eager to give gas to India? Has Sen said any thing unrealistic? The world politics is such that win-win situation is possible through good relations with the big neighor, not by showing animosity. Sen did not look happy when he said that being a country in downstream, we have to accept terms even if we may not be hundred percent happy about it. Even going to international court may not be a good idea.
As rergards Tipai, it is still in a controversial stage. It should be explored with open mind. Narrow politics must not influence the decision. 
 

Sri Romesh Sen Minister for Bangladesh or India ?
Who rec himommended  to become water resource Minister of Bangladesh ?
Was He Hasina's choice or Pronobda's ?
Don't we have any flood control/water resouce expert in Awami League, who can direct this important Ministry to 
protect our national interest ?
Why Hasina depending on this inefficient Minister tro protect Bangladesh's national interest ?
 


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Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly



  • Both Jiten Roy and Sukhamaya Bain need to read my message on the "practiced" version of a religion. Peaceful coexistence is not a myth (exampe, Hindus vs Muslims in Bengal). Peace has sometimes been broken by nasty politics. During communal riots the members of the two different religious communities give shelter to one another. We just need to reflect on the past and the present as well. 
  • Religion is not a unique thing. It has infinite versions. There are infinite levels of religious belief. If you want to program your GPS, make sure where you want to go, in other words, which version of religion is your destination.
  • Here you go Mr. Roy: "Whatever tolerance we see is due to societal laws, and out of human compassion." That is what I am talking about: this is the practiced religion. You have mentioned only two determinants. There are many more forces that tend to keep religions universally appealing. That helps build communal harmony. But there is always a risk.



From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly

 

Religion is like a GPS device, if you follow the turn-by-turn direction of it, you will end up in a predefined culture. This part is well tested and verified. Anything else is just guesswork or pipedream.
 
Religion, being a GPS system that can only take you to a predefined culture, cannot be used as a political system for a multicultural society. If you do, you will enforce a particular culture onto a multicultural society, and the outcome will be chaos and calamity in an otherwise peaceful society.
 
When we talk about religious tolerance, we should also remember that religion is a business also. Do you think any business like competitors? Whatever tolerance we see is due to societal laws, and out of human compassion. In my view, religion is a cultural hegemony, nothing more. As a result, the history of religious coexistence is written in blood.
 
Jiten Roy
--- On Wed, 2/8/12, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 8:26 PM

 
I would like to comment on the following two comments:
 
S. Chakrabarty: "Every religion teaches tolerance about other religions."
 
J. Roy: "Most people believe in Allah in their own way."
 
S. Bain: Mr. Chakrabarty is very wrong here. I like Dr. Roy's statement. Please see below for some elaborations of these two comments.
 
None of the Abrahamic religions tolerate idolatry, which is a Hindu religious practice. People who identify themselves in terms of an Abrahamic religion, yet tolerate idolatry, do it in spite of their religion, not because of it. For example, many Christian communities in the USA allow Durga Puja in the churches because they have advanced enough to ignore some of the aspects of their religion, not because Christianity is not against idolatry. Enough reading and honest interpretations of the fundamentals of religions would show that many religions consider the following of other religions to be inappropriate, wrong, sinful and even punishable. I am personally reluctant to dig deeper into that. But I am sure Mr. Chakrabarty would find the example of idolatry that I noted here to be a valid one.
 
While almost all Muslims use the Arabic word Allah for the English word God, the word Allah was in use long before Islam came into being. Thus, Muslims really do not have a proprietary right on the word Allah. When a Christian or a Hindu prays to God, he is praying to Allah. In fact the Arab Christians do call God Allah. A Hindu should be able to use the Arabic word Allah as much as he uses the English word God to do his way of praying, including what would be clearly un-Islamic. A Bangalee Muslim should have no problem using the word "Ishwar" instead of the word "Allah." That should not cause anyone to lose his Islam.
 
Well, that's all for now.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
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Re: [mukto-mona] Chattra league killed two Shibir leaders in Chittagong University! Did he use the same shirt while got killed?




What a needless loss of lives! What did they achieve, both the killer and the deceased? Is there a good cause behind these sacrifices? I do not think so. It's just a total waste of human lives. People give lives for senseless causes in that part of the world. Will they be ever civilized? It will never be a peaceful place again; people are too stupid. They even give lives to defend a criminal. They never look back to see if it is worth a fight? It's totally a sad story.

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From: Nayan Khan <udarakash08@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Chattra league killed two Shibir leaders in Chittagong University! Did he use the same shirt while got killed?
To: "alaponalapon" <alapon@yahoogroups.com>, "bdtigers@yahoogroups.com" <bdtigers@yahoogroups.com>, "chottala@yahoogroups.com" <chottala@yahoogroups.com>, "dahuk@yahoogroups.com" <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>, "dhakamails@yahoogroups.com" <dhakamails@yahoogroups.com>, "Diagnose@yahoogroups.com" <Diagnose@yahoogroups.com>, "khabor@yahoogroups.com" <khabor@yahoogroups.com>, "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com" <notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com>, "odhora@yahoogroups.com" <odhora@yahoogroups.com>, "shetubondhon@yahoogroups.com" <shetubondhon@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 10:00 PM

 
What a pathetic!
 
It seems it is a 'celebration' of killings in educational institution!
Govt is not paying attention to punish killers, rapers, looters  in 2012, but 1971 from fade memory.
 
 
Did he use the same shirt?
 

ছাত্রলীগের নৃশংসতায় দুই শিবির নেতার শাহাদাত, কে নিবে এ মৃত্যুর দায়িত্ব?!

লিখেছেন পুস্পিতা ০৮ ফেব্রুয়ারী ২০১২, বিকেল ০৪:৩৫
শিবির নেতা শহীদ মাসুদ, তার ফেইসবুক থেকে পাওয়া।
 

Wed 8 Feb 2012 5:41 PM BdST

rtnn চবি, ৮ ফেব্রুয়ারি (আরটিএনএন ডটনেট)-- ক্ষমতাসীন আওয়ামী লীগের ছাত্রসংগঠন ছাত্রলীগ এবং ছাত্রশিবিরের মধ্যে রক্তক্ষয়ী সংঘর্ষের ঘটনায় আগামী ১৬ ফেব্রুয়ারি পর্যন্ত চট্টগ্রাম বিশ্ববিদ্যালয় (চবি) বন্ধ ঘোষণা করা হয়েছে। সংঘর্ষে ছাত্রশিবিরের দুই নেতা-কর্মী নিহত হয়।

বুধবার ছাত্রলীগ ও ছাত্রশিবিরের সংঘর্ষের পরিপ্রেক্ষিতে বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ের সিন্ডিকেট এ সিদ্ধান্ত নেয়।

সিন্ডিকেটের সিদ্ধান্ত অনুযায়ী আগামী ১৬ ফেব্রুয়ারি পর্যন্ত বিশ্ববিদ্যালয় বন্ধ ঘোষণা করা হয়। একই সঙ্গে আজ সন্ধ্যা ৭টার মধ্যে ছাত্রদের এবং আগামীকাল বৃহস্পতিবার সকালের মধ্যে ছাত্রীদের হল ত্যাগের নির্দেশ দেয়া হয়েছে।

এর আগে দুই ছাত্রের কথা কাটাকাটির জের ধরে চট্টগ্রাম বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ে ক্ষমতাসীন আওয়ামী লীগের ছাত্রসংগঠন ছাত্রলীগ ও ছাত্রশিবিরের মধ্যে দফায় দফায় সংঘর্ষে ছাত্রশিবিরের দুই নেতা-কর্মী নিহত হয়। রক্তক্ষয়ী এই সংঘর্ষে প্রক্টরসহ কমপক্ষে ৩০ জন আহত হয়েছে।

নিহতদের একজন মাসুদ বিন হাবিব শিবিরের শহীদ সোহরাওয়ার্দী হল শাখার সাধারণ সম্পাদক ও ইংরেজী বিভাগের ছাত্র বলে জানা গেছে। নিহত অপর ছাত্রের নাম মুজাহিদ। শিবির তাকেও নিজেদের কর্মী বলে দাবি করেছে। মুজাহিদ প্রাণিবিদ্যা বিভাগের ছাত্র ছিলেন।

প্রত্যক্ষদর্শীরা জানায়, বুধবার দুপুর ১২টার দিকে ইসলামী ইতিহাস ও সংস্কৃতি বিভাগের ৪১৯ নম্বর কক্ষে দুই শিক্ষার্থীর মধ্যে কথাকাটাকাটি হয়। এর জের ধরে দুপুর সাড়ে ১২টার পর থেকে উভয় দলের কর্মীদের মধ্যে পাল্টাপাল্টি ধাওয়া চলতে থাকে।

এ সময় তারা চার-পাঁচটি গুলি ছোড়ে। এই সংঘর্ষে গুরুতর আহত হাবিব ও মুজাহিদকে হাসপাতালে নেওয়ার পথে তাদেরর মৃত্যু হয়। নিহত মুজাহিদকে ছাত্রলীগ নেতা-কর্মী এলোপাথাড়ি কুপিয়ে আহত করেছিল।

পুলিশ জানায়, আহত সাত ছাত্রকে চিকিত্সার জন্য চট্টগ্রাম মেডিকেল কলেজ হাসপাতালে নেয়া হয়েছে। আরও ১০ জনকে গুরুতর অবস্থায় হাসপাতালে নেয়া হচ্ছে। তাদের কয়েক জনের অবস্থা আশঙ্কাজনক।

দুপুরে প্রক্টর ড. নাসিম হাসান উত্তেজিত ছাত্র ও দুই দলের নেতা-কর্মীদের শান্ত করতে গেলে একপক্ষ তাকে লক্ষ্য করে পাথর ছোড়ে। এতে তিনি মুখে আঘাত পান। পরে তাকে পুলিশের গাড়িতে করে চট্টগ্রাম মেডিকেল কলেজ হাসপাতালে নিয়ে যাওয়া হয়।

এদিকে সংঘর্ষের ঘটনায় বিশ্ববিদ্যালয় ছাত্রশিবিরের সাধারণ সম্পাদকসহ সংগঠনটির ১০ নেতা-কর্মীকে পুলিশ গ্রেপ্তার করেছে। এছাড়া পরিস্থিতি নিয়ন্ত্রণে আনতে গ্রেপ্তার অভিযান অব্যাহত রয়েছে।

এই প্রতিবেদন লেখা পর্যন্ত উভয়পক্ষের কর্মীরা শাহজালাল হলের সামনে দুই পাশে অবস্থান নিয়েছে। ক্যাম্পাসে থমথমে অবস্থা বিরাজ করছে। অতিরিক্ত পুলিশ মোতায়েন করা হয়েছে।

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[ALOCHONA] Dhaka Conspiracy: Coup bid against Sheikh Hasina foiled



Dhaka Conspiracy: Coup bid against Sheikh Hasina foiled



In late December last year, a secret letter went from New Delhi to Dhaka. It was delivered directly to Sheikh Hasina, 65, the prime minister of Bangladesh. It warned her that Islamist radicals embedded within the Bangladesh Army were planning a coup. Hasina had reason to fear coups. On the night of August 15, 1975, her father, Bangladesh's first president Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, her mother and three brothers were massacred by officers of the Bangladesh Army. Hasina and her sister would have been dead as well, but were abroad on a tour of Europe.

Along with the letter, India had worked out a contingency plan to evacuate the prime minister, her cabinet and key figures of her Awami League party in the event of a coup. There was a military plan as well. Indian helicopter gunships would be launched from two airbases in West Bengal and Tripura into Dhaka to provide air cover for the operation. Landing zones and evacuation sites were identified in and around the capital for the air corridor.

All through December, Bangladesh's spy agency, the Directorate General of Forces Intelligence (DGFI), which reports directly to Hasina, quietly went to work. It was headed by Major General Sheikh Mamun Khaled, whom Hasina had personally chosen. They tapped phone communications, smss and emails of suspects in the conspiracy. Social networking sites were monitored. A series of arrests was made from December-end to January.

Opposition leader Begum Khaleda Zia of the Bangladesh National Party (BNP), who is anti-India by conviction and hates Hasina with a rare passion, alleged at a public rally in Chittagong that army officers were becoming victims of "sudden disappearance". The army's media wing, the Inter-Services Public Relations Directorate (ISPR), warned Khaleda to refrain from making any statements. The army was worried that public discourse might soon include details of the impending coup.

The coup attempt began innocuously. Posts on a Facebook group, 'Soldiers Forum', instigated soldiers to work against the government. Major Syed Mohammad Ziaul Haq, a graduate of the military academy who was training at the Military Institute of Science and Technology, Dhaka, was identified as the mastermind. He used a mobile phone with a UK number to share details of the conspiracy with 11 other army officers. On his Facebook account, he bragged that "mid-level officers of Bangladesh Army are bringing changes soon". On January 8, the banned fanatical organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir (Party of Liberation) distributed provocative leaflets based on his post.

Major Zia regularly updated his Facebook account with "information" on arrests of army officers by "anti-terrorism agents", including those of India's external intelligence agency, the Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW). His messages spread to blogs and were even picked up by a pro-BNP newspaper, Amar Desh. The DGFI and other security agencies kept the suspected plotters under surveillance. They discovered that the likely date of the coup was January 10 or 11. One by one, the plotters were picked up and are now detained in military headquarters, Dhaka.

On January 19, the army unveiled the plot. In its first ever press conference, held at the Army Officers' Club in Dhaka, ISPR spokesperson Brigadier General Muhammad Masud Razzaq took questions, didn't reveal specifics, but talked about the threat to Hasina's "pro-secular and democratically elected government". Brigadier Razzaq claimed between 14 and 16 former and active mid-level radical Muslim officers were behind the conspiracy to topple the government and install an Islamist regime. Two retired officers, Lt Col Ehsan Yousuf and Major Zakir, were arrested on charges of conspiracy to overthrow the government and they "admitted their role in the plot". Major General Mohammad Kamruzzaman, commander of the Comilla-based 33rd Infantry Division, was removed from his command and detained in Dhaka. Another brigadier, Tariqul Alam, commander of 71st Brigade of 9th Division, and Major General Shabbir Ahmad, commander of the Rangpur-based 66 Division, are under surveillance. Eleven other officers from Dhaka and other cantonments across the country have been confined in the capital.

Bangladesh Army chief General Mohammad Mainul Islam says the major general and some religious bigots had planned to indoctrinate pious officers. "They had targeted the deeply religious officers, who they felt would be amenable because they were pious, to execute their conspiracy to overthrow the democratically elected government," he says.

On January 21, Hasina said, "I would like to thank the Bangladesh Army. Had they not unearthed the conspiracy in time, a great disaster could have taken place. The army saved the patriotic forces and the country as well by throttling the conspiracy to topple the democratic government." She accused arch-rival Khaleda of plotting to overthrow her government. The BNP dismissed this as well as allegations that self-exiled BNP leader Tarique Rahman, Khaleda's son, was involved in the aborted coup attempt.

The Bangladesh Army says Major Zia, the alleged coup mastermind, evaded arrest. His whereabouts are unknown. Yet, it was the resurfacing of an underground Islamist organisation that caused concern. The Bangladesh Army linked the conspirators to the Hizb ut-Tahrir. The Tahrir, an international Sunni pan-Islamist political organisation, advocates an Islamic Caliphate governed by Shariah law. Founded in 1953 in Jerusalem, it has spread to more than 40 countries, and is also active in Pakistan.

The Hasina government had banned the Tahrir in October 2009. Agencies such as the Rapid Action Battalion, National Security Intelligence and Detective Branch repeatedly claimed they had succeeded in containing them. They based these claims on the detention of key figures such as Towfiq Elahi, a teacher of a prominent private university, and Dr Golam Haider Rasul, 45, who practises at Dhaka's United Hospital, besides hundreds of others. Tahrir leader Maulana Mamunur Rashid, principal of a Dhaka madrassa, remains a fugitive.

Nearly 500 Tahrir members were detained mostly for organising rallies and distributing leaflets. Police officers now admit their inability to curb the well-funded organisation merely through arrests. "It's tough because families of the detained activists get money from their global network," says Lt Col Ziaul Ahsan, director of the Intelligence Wing of the elite anti-crime Rapid Action Battalion. Most of the detained militants released on bail rejoin the outfit. The outfit has resurfaced more aggressively after its ban.

Besides the men in uniform, the Hizb ut-Tahrir has spread its invisible tentacles among the social elite, government professionals, academics and politicians. "They have a new approach to radicalism, the cuckoo's eggs in the crow's nest (trying to covertly embed themselves in society)," says Nazmul Ahsan Kalimullah, a political scientist in Dhaka University.

Since their 1975 putsch that killed Mujib, the Father of the Nation, the military in Bangladesh has overthrown the civilian government four times. The army has killed two elected presidents and coerced three other presidents into declaring military-backed emergency. The last coup was in January 2007 and since then, attempts have been made to keep the military in the barracks.

The Supreme Court has been a key force. A landmark judgment by a full bench headed by former chief justice Mohammad Tafazzul Islam on July 28, 2010, declared three military regimes between August 15, 1975, and February 1979 as illegal. The new constitution, adopted by Parliament in November 2011, has restored equality of religions. But as UK-based terror analyst Chris Blackburn says, "The recent coup plot shows that extremism in South Asia has many forms. There has always been a trend within the ranks of the military to push the importance of religion in binding a country together. There are certainly officers who see themselves as guardians of both state and religion. But I still think it is too early right now to speculate on Hizb ut-Tahrir's role in the attempted coup. They are an extremist group."

Hasina has been under threat since she swept to power in early 2009. More than 1,000 paramilitary border guards of Bangladesh Rifles, now renamed Border Guards Bangladesh, revolted against the military's hegemony over their institution. It was symptomatic of the unrest in the armed forces. India helped even then. Sources in the prime minister's office said that as soon as the mutiny broke out, India kept its special forces 50 Parachute Independent Brigade on standby to fly into Dhaka in case of an emergency. New Delhi's support for Hasina is clear. In her third stint as prime minister, Bangladesh has ceased to become a safe haven for militant groups operating in India.

The military has moved in swiftly to initiate a court of inquiry against the rogue officers. The military brass, meanwhile, reassured the president of its secular credentials and their support. "There is no room for religious zealots in the Bangladesh Army," army chief General Islam told a seminar in Dhaka a week after the botched coup. The civilian government can only hope that it is true.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/bangladesh-coup-bid-against-sheikh-hasina-foiled/1/170876.html

http://www.amardeshonline.com/pages/details/2012/02/09/130783



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Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: Hindu Deities demolished at Serajdi Khan Upazila of Munshigonj district of Bangladesh on 21.01.2012



  • I will not be surprised if people belonging to AL are doing it. As a matter of fact, according to Dr. Barkat's research, AL and BNP almost equally share abandoned property of the Hindus.
  • As a political party AL is much more progressive than BNP. (Please let me know if you have any points against what I am saying.) That makes me guess that it is being done by BNP-Jamaat alliance or a small but rising Islamic fanatic organization.
  • Advocate Ghosh may want to tell us more about it.

From: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
To: manikcaptmukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; subimal@yahoo.com; jnrsr53@yahoo.com; farahmina@gmail.com; captchowdhury@yahoo.ca; manik195709@yahoo.com
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Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: Hindu Deities demolished at Serajdi Khan Upazila of Munshigonj district of Bangladesh on 21.01.2012

Mr. Subimol,
 
You guys don't believe the fact that ,Awami terrorists and golden boys of Hasina could of  be involved in the  destruction of Deities.
Still blaming BNP/Jamat for destruction of Hindu  Deities.
You always find so called 'sabotage' formula  to protect Awami terrorists well backed by the Hasina regime.

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From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: Hindu Deities demolished at Serajdi Khan Upazila of Munshigonj district of Bangladesh on 21.01.2012
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 20:13:11 -0800 (PST)

 
  • Here you go. You have given three broad reasons: persecution of Hindus, political reasons, and religious hatred. In very rare cases will the perpetrator do it to go to paradise.
  • I remember in 1972 in the very Dhaka city, a couple of Durga pratimas were ransacked. It was probably a sabotage aimed at making AL unpopular. So the reason seemed to be political. Actually I do not clearly remember other explanations.
  • Advocate Rabindra Ghosh should be able to tell us actually what is happening in Chormordon. It is not unlikely that a fanatic Islamic group is doing it. Or it may be a political pressure on the local Hindus by BNP-Jamaat alliance for not supporting AL. 
 

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: Hindu Deities demolished at Serajdi Khan Upazila of Munshigonj district of Bangladesh on 21.01.2012

 
The destruction of deity is one the tools of persecution of Hindus. But, it has been used mostly out of religious hatred and political purposes. First time I saw such incident right after the independence in 1972, in which perpetrators entered into a temple during an ongoing religious festivity, and ransacked it, desecrated deities, and scattered beef throughout the temple right in front of devotees. I did not witness such incident during the Pakistani regime. At that time, I came to the conclusion that - it was due to religious hatred, arising from fanatical people out of their existential threats, which they never felt during the Pakistani regime. The religious fanatics are again facing such existential threats right now. Many more similar actions may ensue in the future….
 
Unfortunately, destruction of deity is sanctioned by religion, as Dr. Das has pointed out. Fortunately, 99% people in Bangladesh reject it, and they don't support religious fanaticism. As a result, military coup is the only avenue that is open to them to get the helm of Bangladesh. In order to create that ground, they need to destabilize country's law and order. They will try anything to do so. In the recent attempt, they failed. They need to wait for the next BNP rule. That will facilitate the golden opportunity, which will be the end of Bangladesh, as we know; Sharia Law will become the law of the land, and Bangla will become the Afghanistan, as they dream. The history will tell the rest …. 
 
 
Jiten Roy  

--- On Sun, 2/5/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: Hindu Deities demolished at Serajdi Khan Upazila of Munshigonj district of Bangladesh on 21.01.2012
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 5, 2012, 8:46 PM

 
Children of Abraham are assured of their place in heaven for such deeds.  Hence they ruin the icons of other religions.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
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--- On Sun, 2/5/12, Rabindra Ghose <ravin_3bd@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Rabindra Ghose <ravin_3bd@yahoo.com>
Subject: Hindu Deities demolished at Serajdi Khan Upazila of Munshigonj district of Bangladesh on 21.01.2012
To: "Media Monitor" <media_monitor5@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, February 5, 2012, 1:56 PM



Hi all,

Some unknown perpetrators on pof January,2012 unlawfully entered into Hindu temple and demolished "Kali Deity" at village-Chormordon within Serajdi Khan Upazila of Munshigonj District of Bangladesh.

When the devotees on last Saturday went to worship their Goddess "Kali Deity" they found that Hindu idols have been broken into pieces. They also informed police and police visited the spot.

As a result of repeated incidents of such desecration of Hindu dities Minority Hindus of those locality feeling unsafe as insecurity was prevailing.

Mr. Sheikh Mahabubur Rahman,the officer in Charge of Serajdi Khan police station said that a group of unidentified perpetrators are very much active in doing this sort of nefarious activities in the area. He hoped that he will identify those perpetrators and bring them to book.

In this connection a complain has been filed at Serajdi Khan police station. 

The matter has been published in the national daily "Jugantor" dated 22nd of January,2012.

BDMW and GHRD hurriedly communicated with the local administration over phone who informed us the situation is now under control. But till date no perpetrators has been identified by police.

Through

Adv.Rabindra Ghosh
Founder President-Bangladesh Minority Watch (BDMW)
12, K.M. Das Lane, Tikatully, Bholagiri Trust, Sutrapur P.s.,Dhaka, Bangladesh.
www.bdmw.org


 
 


 


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