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Monday, March 26, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] Burqa banning after RAJUK, now Syedpur's Lions school and college: Minority Islam in Muslim majority Bangladesh



And you are another judge on the bench?!

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 8:52 PM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
 

Member Das,

Try to talk in a civilized manner in this forum. Most members here have been very tolerant of your abusive behavior. This is a public forum and some people have different point of views. Albeit MOST of what you put out are based on falsehood and fiction, (Most of the time) people "Tolerate" your "Contribution" (Which is most of the time can be termed "hate-mongering").

With freedom comes responsibilities. Please act like a responsible person ....

Shalom!!


-----Original Message-----
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 26, 2012 8:03 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Burqa banning after RAJUK, now Syedpur's Lions school and college: Minority Islam in Muslim majority Bangladesh

 
Russell's autobiography is available in the bookstores.  I have no reason to quote pages of his 'fuzzy' account.  I have no reason to continue debate with a person who believes that his list of reading is 'too long'.  The world famous man was 68 and not 72 years old, as the 'wise' Chakrabarty is trying to point out.  His fame was contributed largely by the book we are talking about, something Chakrabarty finds not so good (like Dr. Barnes, the book had been the best selling philosophy text in the last century!).  He even submitted his manuscripts to the court to prove his point.

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
@Subimal:
 
You are trying to establish a point which, probably, most of the readers in this forum do not give a damn. Russell is Russell. Who cares if he has submitted a Ph.D. thesis or not? I see that you have no better argument to prove or disprove it, yet - you are sticking with it. We have many other important issues to discuss; Russell's Ph.D. dissertation is not one of them. You should understand the importance of a point before you try to spend so much of your valuable time to establish it. This is not such an important matter.
Jiten Roy
--- On Sun, 3/25/12, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Burqa banning after RAJUK, now Syedpur's Lions school and college: Minority Islam in Muslim majority Bangladesh
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, March 25, 2012, 7:40 AM


 
My reading list is already too long. Why don't you quote the "fuzzy" sentence for  our ready reference? A world famous 72 year old man is hungry to get a doctoral degree! An interesting case indeed. 

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On Mar 24, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

 
Read his autobiography please.

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 2:33 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
In the preface of A History of Western Philosophy, Russell has written a paragraph as follows:"This book owes its existence to Dr. Albert C. Barnes, having been originally designed and partly delivered as lectures at the Barnes Foundation in Pennsylvania."
Is their any "dishonesty" in this statement on the part of Russell? I don't think so. It is not fuzzy at all. Again, he was 72 at that time. Five years later, he got Nobel prize in  literature.

Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 8:49 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Burqa banning after RAJUK, now Syedpur's Lions school and college: Minority Islam in Muslim majority Bangladesh
 
"Among generals, I am Skanda" said Krishna in Gita.  Skanda is indisputably Sikander, i.e., Alexander the Great.   Krishna is apparently a post-Alexander personality.  So is Agastya Muni, author of Rg-Veda  History is well documented after the invasion by the Greeks and has no such record of a war at Kurukshetra.  A fool may be brainwashed with anything.  Couldn't the socalled 'Gita Bhashya' be written by someone else and passed in the name of Sankaracharya?

By some accounts the 'History of Western Philosophy' was submitted as a Ph. D. thesis which his supervisor Dr. Barnes.  By Russell's own fuzzy account, it was a compilation of  William Jones lectures, delivered at Harvard in the autumn of 1940.


On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 6:12 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
I am still intrigued about Russell's attempt to obtain a Ph.D degree. I will need more help from anybody in the forum.
Russell was born in 1872. History of Western Philosophy was published in 1945 when he was already 73 years old. He had already become world famous by co-authoring Principia Mathematica (1910-13) with Whitehead when he was 41.
When did he go to America any way? Probably not until he was in his fifties. It is hard to believe that a world famous man would go for a Ph.D degree at this age under the supervision of an American professor? Again, who knows! I really need help.
World famous philosopher Wittgenstein about whom Stephen Hawking has spoken so high was his Ph.D student in England.
Did a "bad boy" from England really care about a Ph.D degree at his old age?

Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Burqa banning after RAJUK, now Syedpur's Lions school and college: Minority Islam in Muslim majority Bangladesh
 
1.As usual, you are misreading what I write.  Russell wrote 'History of Western Philosophy' as a Ph. D. thesis and was not given athe degree as he failede to impress his supervisor.  Read his autobiography.  That did not prevent him from becoming a much more reputed scholar than his guide. 2. Remember the verse, "Prothome narjita Vidya...".  Trying to 'learn new things' with your age and mindset is next to impossible.  I may be in a worse situation in terms of health, but how do you know my age?  I skipped primary school, age wise you might not be younger than me. I started teaching in Rajshahi college at an age less than 20 yrs 10 months.  Many of my students even in the eleventh grade were older than me  That is besides the question. 3. When Islam ruined the old civilizations, northern Europe was mostly unlivable.  The desert 'civilization' is bound to be different from that of a fertile land.4.  This may be last point, but most important.  I have no intention to carry on blogging with you.   Read good books if you can, and please for your Lord's [Ramkrishna] sake get off my back.  I have no need to share 'knowledge' with you or the men your 'gharana'.
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:26 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
1. Dada, you are probably three years older than me. Are you not in a worse situation than me with respect to learning new things?
2. Dada, you recommended me to read Bertrand Russell to "learn" that Islamic scholars had no contribution to European civilization. That's why I read (as a matter of fact re-read a few pages) from Russell and produced some quotes to show that he actually pretty well recognizes contribution of Islamic scholars. After all, he is Russell and has no problem in admitting what he thinks to be true.
3.Russell wrote the book in 1945. I am tired tonight. Hopefully tomorrow I will quote from a book that was published in 1990. You will be shocked more. 
4. As a matter of fact any reasonably good book on history of western philosophy reconizes the contribution of Islamic (muslim) scholars to the wealth of European wisdom.
5. One word of caution here. In the discussion we have to keep Islam, Mohammed, and muslim (Islamic) scholars separate from one another. That is exactly what a good book on history of philosophy does. 
6. I am surprised to learn that Russell had a Ph.D degree. 
7. About "A History of Western Philosophy" I have heard a different story. He wrote it to earn quick money when he was in deep financial crisis while his stay in the USA. An author has complained that the book was written in a hurry and hence is a job not well done.     

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Burqa banning after RAJUK, now Syedpur's Lions school and college: Minority Islam in Muslim majority Bangladesh
 
1. Mr. Chakravbarty, I have reasons to be impressed by your lack of depth on any subject.  I suppose you are a little over aged to enter into a freshman course.  With your level of comprehension, wisdom seems unattainable to you.   Ibn Sina called 'Maharshi Muhammad' a billy goat.  Read Khayyam's comments on him.  That may enlighten you.  To understand Islam, you have to study more contemporary authors than Russell.  Read Arberry, Watt, Ibn Warraqa, P.K. Hitti, Bernard Lewis etc.  Islam is a 'civilization' with many faces.  Only acceptable face is Sufism.  It had grown as a cult of Sophia, Goddess of Wisdom, and later got cloaked under the cult of Mohammedans.  The worst event in history was the fall of the Persians due to the war of succession after the death of Khosroe (poisoned by one of his sons).  Arabians filled the power vacuum thus created.  Islam is not a civilization.  It is a scourge to all great civilizations;viz., Byzantine, Egyptian, Indian, Persians, Spanish etc.  Kemal Pasha understood it and tried to be more Byzantine than Islamic. 2. Russell is informative, no doubt, but he is not the last answer.  He wrote 'History of Western Philosophy' as a Ph. D. dissertation and failed to impress his American supervisor.  In fact no book, except the 'Holy Quran' in your opinion, is the last answer.  So read as many books as you can find and draw your own conclusion.  Read every book more than once till the contents become comprehensible.  I do it myself. 3. Religion is something that binds a society together.  All 'great religions' are fragmented today.  God is also dead since long time ago. Being invented by primitive men, it can unite a few fools at best.  Even Karl Marx seem more powerful than God.
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 8:15 PM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
1. I am neither a physician nor a holder of a doctorate degree.
2. I am quoting from Russell:
(i) "Its (Mohammedan civilization's) importance, which must not be underrated, is as a transmitter. Between ancient and modern European civilization, the dark ages intervened. The Mohammedans and the Byzantines, while lacking the intellectual energy required for innovation, preserved the apparatus of civilization---education, books, and learned leisure. Both stimulated the West when it emerged from barbarism---the Mohammedans chiefly in the thirteenth century, the Byzantines chiefly in the fifteenth. In each case the stimulus produced new thought better than any produced by the transmitters---in the one case scholasticism, in the other case the Renaissance (which however had other causes also)."
(ii) "He Averroes (Ibn Rushd) (1126-1198) holds that the existence of God can be proved by reason independently of revelation, a view also held by Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274)."
(iii) "His (Averroes's) influence in Europe was very gteat, not only on the scholastics, but also on a large body of unprofessional free-thinkers, who denied immortality and were called Averroists.Among professional philosophers, his admirers were at first especially among the Fransiscans and at the University of Paris."
(iv) "From the twelfth to the seventeenth century, he (Ibn Sina or Avicenna (980-1037) was used in Europe as a guide to medicine.----------He was the author of an encyclopaedia, almost unknown to the East because of the hostility of theologians, but influencial in the West through Latin translations. His psychology has an empirical tendency."
 
I could have quoted more. My point is that we must not be shallow in our comments. We must read and then make a comment.
 
 

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Re: [mukto-mona] Personal attacks in Mukto-Mona



Franklly speaking, my father was a little bit more progressive.

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Personal attacks in Mukto-Mona
 
On the contrary, my father taught me that when you touch the feet of someone else, you take away his virtue and wisdom.  A Brahmin without humility and knowledge of scripture is not consistent with the meaning of the word.  You would be better advised to use whatever 'books' you have read thus far as fuel to barbecue chicken.  Many critical books are available free on the net, and sold in the summer sales by the Universities.  Try to realize that religion is a geocentric phenomenon and most books written by believers had no scientific approach whatsoever.  Only an immature person would believe that he has read 'too many books'. I trust you can overcome such state of mind.  Read everything you can grab but trust only those your judgement permits.  An e-forum is not a place to learn or teach  anything.

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:42 PM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
I simply stated a fact from my childhood menmory. It is right that I come of a conservative Hindu family with rural origin. If you are not from an enlightened Hindu (better Brahma) family living in Kolkata, I am sure your grand-ma also believed the same way as my grand-ma did. This is the reality of our society. We do not need to be ashamed of it.

Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Personal attacks in Mukto-Mona
 
I sincerely wish to refrain from personal attacks. But to understand his mindset, I am giving you excerpts from one of his postings made years ago.  "In my childhood, my grandma taught me that I should not feel shy to take pronam from elderly non Brahmins, because a Brahmin is like a 'tulsi' plant always worth worshiping irrespective of it's size."  A person with such upbringing is bound to have worthless opinions.  No matter how resolutely one refutes his 'well researched' opinions with supporting documents, he would carry on shamelessly with his debate like Cyclops.  I hope to cease to participate in these endless nonsense from now on.  I 
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 1:40 AM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Sorry, I did overlook the personal attacks that Mr. Chakrabarty had done on Dr. Das. Let us please forget all the attacks that have been done. Let us not revisit who started it or who did more of it. From now on, let us all refrain from attacking anyone personally.
 
Thanks,
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Personal attacks in Mukto-Mona
 
I am amused at the lack of attention by Dr. Bain on the personal attacks that Mr. Chakrabarty has made on me.  In fact he initiated them.  Like a street urchin begging for food, he keeps on begging for informations and want to teach me 'civility'.  A few years earlier, he even apologized to me in a personal email for his lack of manners.  This guy was a few years junior to me at Dhaka University.  Doesn't Dr. Bain think him insolent? I do not enjoy any discussion with everybody.  Those who find me offensive are requested earnestly to ignore me.
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 4:12 AM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
I think too much of personal attacking is going on in Mukto-Mona. A case in point is Dr. Kamal Das's nagging personal attacks on Mr. Subimal Chakrabarty.
 
I am sure many of us in this forum have children that are old enough for us to expect maturity in their expressions, especially when they communicate with other people. Let us please try that on ourselves. When appropriate, let us attack the message without attacking the messenger. Let us not use derogatory adjectives or insults on anyone. Direct attacks on individuals are worst, certainly detrimental to the respectability of the attacker.
 
Sukhamaya Bain 
 
 
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From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Burqa banning after RAJUK, now Syedpur's Lions school and college: Minority Islam in Muslim majority Bangladesh
 
Mr. Chakrabarty thinks everybody but me is with him.  Being incorrigibly 'wise' he fails to see that God is a tribal lord.  Even the descendants of Abraham had different Gods.  Allah has ninety nine names, or 'Shayang Bhagwan' Krishna has hundred and eight for that matter, pointing not to so many manifestations but to so many different original constituents.  Most of the findings about Islam in the west is a post-Tagore phenomenon.  Just because some 'wise men' called the prophet 'Maharshi' he doesn't become infallible.  The research on Islam got momentum after Alfred Gillaum translated Ibn Hisham edited biography of the prophet written by Ibn Ishaque.  Whatever Mr. Chakrabarty might read, he comprehends next to nothing.  He should increase the dose of 'pancha gabya' in his diet to improve his comprehension.  May Allah grant him an Islamic paradise.
 
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On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:23 AM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

I think Mr. Chakrabarty is denigrating the "we" word a bit too much here. I have no intention of comparing my mind with that of any 'maharhishi' of any variety, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, or Jew. I put Buddha at a higher plane compared to the other 'maharhishis'. 'Maharhishi' or not, we came from our forefathers, and they had their virtues and vices, as we do; there is no need to overly denigrate any party. However, "we" certainly have a higher level of knowledge and intellect. We can appreciate our forefathers' real revolutions in terms of the standard at their time. We can go a bit soft on their crimes, because we came from them, and because we can certainly avoid emulating them. However, it would be wrong to import their primitive wisdom to our time. It would be wrong to apply too much of the superlative adjectives on them, because our present world has too many people who want to follow them by the book, even up to the point of hating innocent people.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Burqa banning after RAJUK, now Syedpur's Lions school and college: Minority Islam in Muslim majority Bangladesh
 
Thanks for speaking the truth. I will follow your advice. I will ignore personal attacks and say whatever I believe to be right. I personally know and you me. We both are too old to be able to be awakened from our sleep. Over the years we have consolidated our mindset and conviction which seem to be almost unchangeable. Now every one in the forum knows our directions of thought. We are on two different planes and we will never meet. But we we will definitely know each other. 
If you do not agree with Rabindranath you can say any thing you want to say against him as Das I'd now doing. I just wanted to explain why RN said so even though supposedly he must have not supported every thing Muhammad did in his personal life. Our mind is too little to comprehend him. We are neo intellectuals trying to use our leisure time as we have nothing else to do. We are all kind of parasites which we hardly realize. 
You have read the Geeta and you have seen Bhagwan himself, not even a sage, is instigating Arjuna to kill his own cousins and other close relatives to reinstate Dharma. 
Sent from my iPhone
 
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On Mar 17, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Here we go again. I have a suggestion for Kamal Das, and that is – he needs to let go the thread after one rebuttal; he keeps following the thread at no end without realizing where he is heading. It seems like he is trying to wake up someone who is pretending to sleep. There is a point when you have to realize that you cannot change the mind of your opponent no matter how much information you pile up in front of him/her. That's when you stop.
By now every one of us should have an idea about the intellectual aptitudes, philosophical, political, and religious views of all regular contributors to this forum. As a result, there is no need to prove anything. Just tell what your views are on the subject. That's it. You should always expect that, based on someone's intellectual aptitude, philosophical, political, and religious views, he/she will either agree or disagree with your views. I learned this truth from my own observations.
Now, about the 'Maharishi' attribute to Muhammad by Rabindra Nath, I do not know the pretext of the attribution, and it really does not matter to me. I like to judge everything on my own. I do not know any Maharishi ever instructed his followers to kill all non-believers of his views wherever they can find them. I do not know any Maharishi who told his followers to kill all male non-believers and distribute all female non-believers to his followers as booty after capturing them. I know it was in the context of a war, but – still does not make sense to me. Therefore, it will not make an iota of difference in my judgment even if God-almighty tells me that it was the right thing to do. I know – millions will disagree with me, and that's fine with me. I do not want to change anyone's mind; I just want to express my own feelings on the subject.
I know some people draw conclusion about a subject based on views of others, and some draw conclusions to please others. I do not do so; I collect information and then pass that through my own filter(s) to draw a conclusion of my own. The bottom line is – just because some famous people mentioned about something does not make it a truth. I remember Professor Amartya Sen, a Nobel laureate, visited Bangladesh sometime in 2001, just after the election and the worst ever communal pogrom in Bangladesh. Khaleda Zia gave him a reception, and during his speech Amartya Sen said that - Bagladesh was a perfect example of communal harmony. I am sure he knew that he was lying through his teeth just to promote his NGO program in Bangladesh. I hope I made my case.
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Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region Independent Republic, ABC And NBC, March 26, 1971



Wow, a precious piece of information indeed!

 

It saddens me to think that so many people will chose to ignore these evidences, and run after mirages to find the declaration of independence. These videos take me back to those rallies; it brings nostalgic memories of those days. Thanks to the individual whoever facilitated these videos. These are quite valuable pieces of information, and they should be mandatory for viewing in all schools, especially in March.

Sheikh Mujib was such a courageous and charismatic leader; he would have been one of the top leaders of the world today, and Bangladesh could have been a shining city on hills of Southeast Asia under his leadership. Will the Bangalee ever be able to realize what they have lost?

Jiten Roy   

--- On Sun, 3/25/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Fw: Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region Independent Republic, ABC And NBC, March 26, 1971
To: "mukto-mona" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, March 25, 2012, 11:23 PM

 

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Subject: Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region Independent Republic, ABC And NBC, March 26, 1971
Dada

Adab,

Please see the VDO .

Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region Independent Republic, ABC, March 26, 1971 - MMRJalal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tQk4r0FtmY&feature=share

ABC Evening News for
Friday, Mar 26, 1971

Headline: Pakistan / Civil War

Abstract:
(Studio) E. Pakistan Leader Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region Independent Republic; civil war breaks out; West Pakistan rptdly. using full force including tanks to crush revolt.
REPORTER: Harry Reasoner
(Dacca, E. Pakistan) E. Pakistan won major in National Assembly Elections last December; intended to draft new constitution to improve E. Pakistan treatment; assembly postponed by West Pakistan Leader Ali Bhutto for 3 weeks; W. Pakistan President Yahya Khan meeting with Rahman, joined by Bhutto; after assembly postponed indefinitely, E. Pakistan declares independence.
REPORTER: Ted Koppel

Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region independent, CBS, Mar 26, 1971 - MMRJalal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUCMCXfscgc&context=C44f95a1ADvjVQa1PpcFMe37UYxDqUzLh0WwpcfzC5AKvILM62oAU=

CBS Evening News for
Friday, Mar 26, 1971

Headline: Pakistan / Civil War

Abstract:
(Studio) Civil war breaks out in Pakistan; West Pakistan Army battles civilians in E. Pakistan; E. Pakistan Leader Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region independent. Film shows Mujibur addressing rally in Dacca yesterday. [MUJIBUR - says no one can stop E. Pakistan people.] 1,100 United States citizens in E. Pakistan,
Thanks.

-- 
MMR Jalal. "Pheeray Dekhun Ekattor. Ghuray Darak Bangladesh."


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২৬ মার্চ ২০১২-এর প্রথম আলোর প্রধান খবরটা বলছে, 'বাংলাদেশ এখন অনেক দেশের জন্যই উদাহরণ'। আমাদের গড় আয়ু বেড়েছে, ৯০ ভাগের বেশি ছেলেমেয়ে স্কুলে যায়, মাতৃমৃত্যুর হার কমেছে, দারিদ্র্য কমেছে, মাথাপিছু আয় বেড়েছে এবং মানব উন্নয়ন সূচকের অনেকগুলোতেই আমরা ভালো করছি। ১৯৭১ সালে মার্কিনিরা বলেছিল, বাংলাদেশ নামের দেশটা টিকবে না ('ভায়াবল') হবে না। ৪০ বছরে আমরা কেবল টিকে আছি তা-ই নয়, আমরা ক্রমাগত সামনের দিকে এগিয়ে প্রমাণ করেছি, স্বাধীনতাই হলো সেই বীজমন্ত্র, যা আমাদের টিকিয়ে রেখেছে, যা আমাদের ক্রমাগত এগিয়ে নিচ্ছে।


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[mukto-mona] দুঃস্বপ্ন ! দুঃস্বপ্ন !! দুঃস্বপ্ন !!!



                   দু:স্বপ্ন
 ঘুম থেকে চিত্কার করে ঘেমে নেয়ে উঠলেন গোলাম আজম ! ফোন করলেন
নিজামীকে , বললেন মইত্তা জীবনে এই প্রথম তথাকথিত বাংলাদেশের
স্বাধীনতা দিবসে আমি কারাবন্দী ! এই লজ্জা আজ রাখি  কোথায় ! গত
চল্লিশটি বছর প্রতিটি ২৬ মার্চ আমি ছিলাম মুক্ত পাখি , বুকের ভেতর
চাদ-তারা খচিত পতাকা চেপে রেখে এই দিনটি পালন করে এসেছি৷ আজ আমার এই
দুর্দশার জন্য দায়ী জিয়াউর রহমান , তার প্রলোভন আর উস্কানিতেই আমি
এই দেশে ফিরে এসেছিলাম  ৷ না হলেতো বহাল তবিয়তে  পাকিস্তানেই
 বাকি জীবনটা কাটিয়ে দিতে পারতাম  ! জিয়া বলেছিল "মুজিব মাইনাস
আওয়ামী লীগ শূন্য", সে ভেবেইতো ফিরে এসেছিলাম এই দেশে পাকিস্তানের
চেতনা ফিরয়ে আনার ! পাকিস্তানি ইস্টাইলে জিয়া-এরশাদের সামরিক শাসন
আর খালেদার শাসনামলে ভালই ছিলাম , কিন্তু এখন দেখছি মৃত মুজিব , জীবিত
মুজিবের চেয়েও বেশি শক্তিশালী ! মুজিব বেচে থাকলে হয়তো এতদিনে ক্ষমা পেয়েও
যেতাম , কিন্তু তার কন্ন্যা ভিশন কঠিন ! মচকাবে তবু ভাংবেনা ৷ এতদিন আমরা
গর্ব করে বলতাম যে আমাদের শাস্তি যারাই কামনা করেছে আল্লাহতায়ালা তাদেরকেই
এই দুনিয়া থেকে সরিয়ে নিয়েছেন , যেমন জাহানারা ইমাম , কবি শামসুর রহমান,
হুমায়ুন আজাদ , কবির চৌধুরী প্রমুখ ৷ কিন্তু এখন দেখছি আমাদের পাপের বিচার
যেন দেশবাসী দেখে যেতে পারে হয়তো সেই জন্যই রাব্বুল আলামিন এতদিন বাঁচিয়ে
রেখেছেন ! শোন , ষড়যন্ত্র আর আন্দোলন করে কোনো লাভ হবেনা , আমাদের দিন
ঘনিয়ে এসেছে ! তাই বেশি বেশি করে তাওবা করো , আর সুযোগ পেলে চলো সবাই
টুঙ্গিপাড়ায় মুজিবের কাছে ক্ষমা চেয়ে আসি

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[Nagorik_Shokti] Pakistan is Americas pet dod



Pakistan will ease to exist without America's dollar.  America would fail to achieve its evil aim without its pet dog Pakistan.  Please do not make us laugh by inventing such stories.


From: Dr. Bashir Mahmud Ellias <bashirmahmudellias@yahoo.com>
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Subject: [Nagorik_Shokti] Pakistan and America heading for a serious confrontation over Pak-Nukes

 
 
The original goal of the invasion of Afghanistan was not to drop bombs on mud-huts, or fight ghost-terrorists like Al-Qaeda, or to fight some imaginary heavily-armed Guerrilla Groups whom America needs 130,000 troops to contain. The truth is far from it, in fact that truth has been tainted to the extent that the lie has disguised itself as the truth to fool the rest of the world.

Many players are actively participating in the all-western power's attempt to destabilize Pakistan. There is every reason for this to be the objective, since all major western powers are heavily lobbied by Pro-Zionist Power Block that control a hefty chunk of the wealth that circulates in the western world. The power of the Pro-Zionist Block in the western world has been aptly demonstrated by the U.S Housing Market crash in 2008, the Sovereign Debt of Major European countries in 2011, the staggering Gold Appreciation which is currently at $1662/Troy Oz (£1016/Troy Oz), U.S Debt Ceiling fiasco (July 2011) and Credit Rating Firms sudden rise to prominence (2011).

The Pro-Zionist Block views Pakistan as the only credible threat to the existence to the State of Israel. This threat assessment seems a bit disconnected however, since Pakistan doesn't have any direct border with Israel, nor is Pakistan in the same region as Israel. So why is it, that Pakistan is viewed by the Pro-Zionist Block as the most deadly threat to Israel's existence and what is it that Israel has or would done/do to warrant any aggression from Pakistan. The answer is, nothing .... so far! Pakistan has no direct or indirect aggression toward Israel, however, there is something that Israel will do in the future which will provoke Pakistan.

It is not only Pakistan that Israel will provoke, but also the Islamic World at large.

The oldest of the Protocol's of the Elders of Zion, clearly stipulate that the Temple Mount be constructed. It also openly demarcates the area where the alleged Temple Mount used to be, before the time of Jesus the Messiah. The area in question, is one of the three most holiest sites of the Islamic World, i.e Masjid Al-Aqsa and the Dome of Rock. Israel has previously made botched attempts at somehow degrading the structural integrity of the two buildings in order to make them irreparable and that they may be either demolished or they collapse due to weak structural foundations, weakened by the Israelis themselves.

These attempts have met with strong opposition from the Islamic World and was also the flash-point of the Second Intifada.

If we assess the current geopolitical climate, trying to understand how the play runs through the regions and countries around the Holy Land. Then the first countries to be struck off the list as useless and of no threat to Israel are saudi Arabia, Jordan, as they are bought/bribed countries that are aligned to the west and hence non-confrontational toward Israel. Today you have Iraq which is under total occupation of America and its allies, and as such, it poses a Zero Threat Level to Israel.


Iran is another Minor to Zero Threat Level country to Israel, simply because the current regime there is a fake one and has personal agendas rather Israel, as its target. The Iranian Regime considers itself as the representative of the Greater Iranian Regional Power. Their objectives are to establish influence over the Arab World and the Middle Eastern Region at large. Carving out a Major Shia Block in the Middle East which would directly challenge the Sunni Majority Islamic World. This is why it funds Hezbollah in Lebanon, Syria to buffet Israel's reach, Iraq where it is increasing its presence and influence in Guerrilla Groups running and Bahrain, where an up-rising was given imputes by a Shia majority population.


Syria is too weakened by sanctions to offer any challenge to Israel in a military confrontation. For the best part of the last two decades, Syria has nothing except rusted Soviet Era MiGs that make up the bulk of its Air Force and anyone who has even the basic knowledge on military statistics in the Middle East, knows that Israel has a formidable and powerful Air Force. Boasting the largest fleet of F-16 Fighting Falcons, outside the United States, which is 362 --> F-16 A/C/B/D/I Blocks-15/30/40/50s. Other than that, Israel has a substantial fleet of true American Air Power Pedigree, the (78) F-15 Eagle, which is an Air Superiority fighter, that boasts 105-to-0 kill ratio in Air-to-Air Combat. These lethal fighter jets in Israel's air force, puts to rest, any challenge that Syria could muster.


Egypt has a bulked out, large, but useless military with ineffective fire power against Israel, as well. This is despite Egypt having a large fleet of F-16s in its Air Force, but those fighters and the rest of the fighters in Egyptian Air Force, lack any BVR (Beyond Visual Range) Air-to-Air Missiles and Long-Range Airborne Radars to lock on the enemy. Amazingly enough the corrupt, pro-western Mubarak Government had agreed to buy all these fighters (around 200+ F-16s) from America, without any BVR Missiles and Long-Range Airborne Radars. And the reason why this is so surprising, is because Egypt's Air Force, without BVR Missiles, is as helpless as a gazelle stuck between a pack of hyenas.


Looking to the north of Israel, Turkey offers a powerful military challenge to the enemy (Israel). But one needs to understand Turkey, where majority of the population there is Urban (70% Plus) and very secular. Turkey's military, though a powerful one, is totally secular and very close to Israel when it comes to military ties. This in itself renders Turkey useless at the time when Israel would orchestrate a supposed natural collapse of the Al-Aqsa/Dome Complex. Even if Turkey reacted as a nation against Israel, its military would fizzle out before the declaration of war is made against Israel. This is because the powerful elite of Turkey comprise of Masonic-Order Members, Elite-Zionist Businessmen who're in both the military, the bureaucracy and in certain parts of the civil offices.

Now, when you look at Pakistan, it the political landscape is completely different. The picture is very distorted, very dis-figured and extremely volatile. The best thing about Pakistan is also the worse thing about Pakistan. The West, the Zionists, the Masonic-Order, have tried their level best to get a grip at the helm of Pakistan's Power. They've tried it with Pakistan's Military, with Pakistan's Political Leadership, with the People of Pakistan. However, every time they've failed, be it in the shape of Musharraf, Nawaz, Benazir and Kiyani. The Zionist-Masonic Order has failed to understand the fundamentals which govern the Pakistani Mentality, and those are ....... there are none!! The Pakistani people are as divided for politicians as they are united for them, which makes them a very unstable vote bank.

But the reason for Israel being scared or threatened by Pakistan, are many and very significant. To start off,

- Pakistan is the only Islamic Nuclear Power in the world, meaning that in a times of crisis, the Islamic World, would look to for Pakistan to help. It also has developed highly accurate and precision strike weapons in the shape of Ballistic Missiles.


- Pakistan has developed the capability to build its own battle tanks, which can be a source of un-sanctionable military hardware for the Muslim countries in times of War. The MBT-2000, also known as Al-Khalid, boasts 125mm Smooth-Bore Gun, Battle Management System for Net-Centric Warfare and light weight to fight in the desert sand.


- Pakistan is now gaining the self-sufficiency to build its own fighter-jets and that makes it more dangerous, as it expands its horizons in the region as a power. The JF-17 Thunder is the first Sino-Pak fighter to have been developed, giving Pakistan full autonomy to further develop and arm its fighter, built 100% in Pakistan. Oh, and this fighter does have BVR Missiles, unlike the F-16s of Egypt.


- Pakistan has attained transfer of technology to develop its own War-Ships for its Navy, as well as Submarines, which allows it to project power at sea. The F-22P Alamgir Class Missile Frigate is also another example of the Sino-Pak Alliance cooperation. The Missile Frigate has the ability to shoot-down incoming fighter-jets and low-flying cruise missiles. Missile Frigate can also fire upto (72) Pakistani Made Babar Cruise Missiles.


- Pakistan's primary ally is the second largest economy in the world and is poised to take over from the United States as a superpower. China recognizes the strategic importance of Pakistan both geographically and politically. Where America continues to arm hindustan (india) to the teeth, China intends to do the same and more, by arming Pakistan against hindustan and thereby blunting out America's attempt to weaken China.


- There is no Political Party in Pakistan, which can claim absolute power, like the ones in Syria, Egypt, Saudi and Jordan. From the Late Liaquat Ali Khan, to Zulfiqar Bhutto, to Zia-ul-Haq, to Benazir Bhutto, to Nawaz Sharif, to Musharraf and to Zardari. All are temporary bribed and bought politicians that have come into power in Pakistan, illegally and against the will of the silent majority in Pakistan. And all have been removed from power, before they could establish their rule on a permanent basis, like Hafiz/Bashar Assad (Syria), Talal/Abdullah Hussain (Jordan), Saddam Hussain (Iraq), Saud Family (Arabia), Mubarak (Egypt) and Qaddafi (Libya).


Hence, when the Al-Aqsa/Dome-of-Rock Complex collapses due to contrived efforts by the Zionists. The tantamount up-roar in the Islamic World would reach fever pitch and would be out for Israel's blood. Of course, the supposed Arab Up-Rising resultant political powers would realize to their misfortune, how pathetically weak their country's militaries are against Israel. Iran's supposed arsenal of Ballistic Missiles would be worthless against Israel, as the ABM Systems would knock-out any incoming Iranian Missiles. The Islamic World would also get to know that Iranian Regime is an Impostor, one who only ranted against Israel and America because it wanted the Muslim World's support for a Greater Iranian sphere of influence and power.

At particular time, it would not be an open declaration of war by Pakistan's Military, against the illegal State of Israel. However, it would be Pakistan's deadly proxy war tactics, which it has been applying for decades in Afghanistan and Kashmir, against Israel. But the difference would be that when Israel would want to hit back, Pakistan is strong enough to thwart Israel's attack (Unlike the impotent Iraqi Air Force, which couldn't do nothing in the Osirak Strike) and also hit back Israel if it wanted. So it is this sort of threat that Israel would face from Pakistan and the reason why Pakistan would be unaffected by any indian-Israeli collaboration, would simply be because China would keep india pressed firmly under its thumb.

Hence the reason to destabilize and dismember Pakistan. Hence the reason for 130,000 U.S troops, under whose shadow, the Zionists can run their CIA Drone-Strikes, Black-Ops Units, Funded Terrorists Groups and Psychological Warfare against Pakistan. And they have been trying their level best since 2008!

One might ask, why not since 2001 when the American troops landed. The answer is fairly simple, whereby establishing contacts, understanding terrain, developing tactics, assimilating in social culture of the region and developing relationships with groups that can be molded for their purpose, like Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kyrghizis & Azeris.

Then, finally in 2008, when the Govt changes in Islamabad ...... that is when they begin their attacks, their infiltrations, their terrorist attacks and their psychological warfare against Pakistan, the People of Pakistan and its Military Power.

This is all, an elaborate effort to destabilize Pakistan to the extent that it becomes warranted that United States should move in to secure its nukes. That is how the tactics works and that is how they are gaining the upper hand in Afghanistan and Pakistan. And in order for them to be stopped, it is imperative that Pakistanis unite under the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam, 100%.


It is also important that the People of Pakistan, start forming private groups, which run autonomously from the law-enforcement agencies, intelligence agencies, but work for the same goal as them in destroying all infiltrated terrorist groups, black-ops groups and other foreign elements. People of Pakistan should understand the concept of Anti-Body White Blood Cells, and begin to act like them in order to purge Pakistan of America's dirty war.

If Pakistan can survive another 3 years, then it would witness America disintegrate economically and Israel would have to rely heavily on its ties with hindustan and its own black ops to challenge Pakistan. Which would also send them back to the drawing boards, to rethink their strategy.
 
http://www.imranhosein.org/articles/islam-and-politics/332--pakistan-and-america-heading-for-a-serious-confrontation-over-pak-nukes.html






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[ALOCHONA] RE: A defender of Bacchu razakar [posted on Aug 23, 2008]



         Let me help you read Mr. Hannan.  Exposure over the years has made me become an expert analyzer of his lies.

         Bacchu Razakar is  an 'Alim.  =  That means he puts on the lebas and misinterprets the verses of the Holy Qur'an. No one knows enough Arabic or has enough scholarly training to challenge his quotations of the Qur'an or unauthentic Hadith literature.

         Bacchu Razakar is a great social worker and active in micro financing
=  Read Prof. Abul Barakat's account of Jamaat and the fundamentalists amassing HUGE amounts of money in various sectors of Bangladeshi businesses. Even the agricultural sector has been raided by them. Then there is the flourishing madrassah business.  I've just been touring the countryside. All over the country there are hundreds and thousands of madrassahs -- in some towns, on the main thoroughfare, at every 100 yards there is a madrassah.

         [Bacchu Razakar] is active in gender movement to secure all rights for women. = This means a political brainwashing of women. An aggressive hijabization of women is systematically carried out in all educational institutions in towns and villages. The hijabized women then are released as agents who preach to the women about their bodies being made for sexual consumption of men only (said the great Abul ala Moududi).  Therefore, thinking that they are equal humans created by the Almighty Allah is sinful. Allah will punish them for any expression of humanity.

         NOTE: Hannan does not know that the term "Islamist" is not at all the way he wants to mean it. It is a fairly recently coined term. It does not mean an Islamic scholar or one who seriously pursues Islamic studies. The term actually describes him, S A Hannan, and all the razakars and fake religionists, or the followers of the infamous religious fascist, Abul ala Moududi, an indicted and convicted criminal.

          Beware of the Islamist S A Hannan!

           Check the bank balance, or other sources of hidden wealth of Bacchu Razakar!

                    Farida Majid



Subject: A defender of Bacchu razakar [posted on Aug 23, 2008]
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:05:03 +0000

 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/49549
 
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Re: [mukto-mona] A despicable war criminal's field day in USA
 
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ear members,

Assalamu Alaikum.This is all propaganda about Azad sahib.There is no case
against him anywhere in Bangladesh for any type of crime, war crime or
otherwise.

.He is not only an Alim or scholar.He is a TV personality of repute.Moulan Azad
is the founder Secretary general of Council For Inter-faith Harmony in
Bangladesh (CIH ) a much respected organisation of all communities.He is a great
social worker and active in micro-finance, upbringing missing parents children
( found on roadside ).He is active in gender movement to secure all rights for
women.
The propaganda against him is malacious as is done against most other Islamists.
I am saying all these on the basis my personal knowledge as I know him for
twenty five years.

Shah Abdul Hannan


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[mukto-mona] RE: A defender of Bacchu razakar [posted on Aug 23, 2008]



         Let me help you read Mr. Hannan.  Exposure over the years has made me become an expert analyzer of his lies.

         Bacchu Razakar is  an 'Alim.  =  That means he puts on the lebas and misinterprets the verses of the Holy Qur'an. No one knows enough Arabic or has enough scholarly training to challenge his quotations of the Qur'an or unauthentic Hadith literature.

         Bacchu Razakar is a great social worker and active in micro financing
=  Read Prof. Abul Barakat's account of Jamaat and the fundamentalists amassing HUGE amounts of money in various sectors of Bangladeshi businesses. Even the agricultural sector has been raided by them. Then there is the flourishing madrassah business.  I've just been touring the countryside. All over the country there are hundreds and thousands of madrassahs -- in some towns, on the main thoroughfare, at every 100 yards there is a madrassah.

         [Bacchu Razakar] is active in gender movement to secure all rights for women. = This means a political brainwashing of women. An aggressive hijabization of women is systematically carried out in all educational institutions in towns and villages. The hijabized women then are released as agents who preach to the women about their bodies being made for sexual consumption of men only (said the great Abul ala Moududi).  Therefore, thinking that they are equal humans created by the Almighty Allah is sinful. Allah will punish them for any expression of humanity.

         NOTE: Hannan does not know that the term "Islamist" is not at all the way he wants to mean it. It is a fairly recently coined term. It does not mean an Islamic scholar or one who seriously pursues Islamic studies. The term actually describes him, S A Hannan, and all the razakars and fake religionists, or the followers of the infamous religious fascist, Abul ala Moududi, an indicted and convicted criminal.

          Beware of the Islamist S A Hannan!

           Check the bank balance, or other sources of hidden wealth of Bacchu Razakar!

                    Farida Majid



Subject: A defender of Bacchu razakar [posted on Aug 23, 2008]
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:05:03 +0000

 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/49549
 
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Re: [mukto-mona] A despicable war criminal's field day in USA
 
WRT: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/49539

ear members,

Assalamu Alaikum.This is all propaganda about Azad sahib.There is no case
against him anywhere in Bangladesh for any type of crime, war crime or
otherwise.

.He is not only an Alim or scholar.He is a TV personality of repute.Moulan Azad
is the founder Secretary general of Council For Inter-faith Harmony in
Bangladesh (CIH ) a much respected organisation of all communities.He is a great
social worker and active in micro-finance, upbringing missing parents children
( found on roadside ).He is active in gender movement to secure all rights for
women.
The propaganda against him is malacious as is done against most other Islamists.
I am saying all these on the basis my personal knowledge as I know him for
twenty five years.

Shah Abdul Hannan


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