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Sunday, April 8, 2012

[ALOCHONA] Fw: Shuno Ekti Mujiborer Theke .....


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Shuno Ekti Mujiborer Theke


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1971 March 7th shek mujibur rahman:

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In personality and in courage, this man is the Himalayas. I have thus had the experience of witnessing the Himalayas.
  • Cuban leader Fidel Castro speaking about Mujib during the Non-Aligned Summit held in Algiers in 1973.
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[mukto-mona] Fw: Shuno Ekti Mujiborer Theke .....


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Subject: Shuno Ekti Mujiborer Theke .....

Shuno Ekti Mujiborer Theke


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbXhaGekrWc






1971 March 7th shek mujibur rahman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep74MqbXEWU&feature=related

সাবাব ও ৭ মার্চের ভাষণ:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NcG5OivWOw&feature=related





Note:
I have not seen the Himalayas. But I have seen Sheikh Mujib. 
In personality and in courage, this man is the Himalayas. I have thus had the experience of witnessing the Himalayas.
  • Cuban leader Fidel Castro speaking about Mujib during the Non-Aligned Summit held in Algiers in 1973.
http://www.thedailystar.net/magazine/2008/08/04/chintito.htm

Click on the links:


[mukto-mona] Bangladesh opposition leader Khaleda Zia says Oust-govt movement if no caretaker



http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=229566

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Oust-govt movement if no caretaker

Says Khaleda; warns against plot to split BNP ahead of polls; listens to leaders' views on DCC polls, Tarique's return, graft allegations

BNP Chairperson Khaleda Zia last night said her party would go for a “one-point oust-government movement” if the caretaker government system was not reinstated by June 10.

Reiterating that the opposition would not participate in the next general election without the caretaker system in place, she said tougher programmes would be announced from a grand rally in the capital on June 11 to force the government to quit power.

Warning the leaders not to be party to any conspiracy to split the BNP ahead of the election, Khaleda said, “Be careful….don't walk into any trap.”

She was delivering her concluding speech at the closed-door session of the BNP national executive committee meeting at the Diploma Engineers Institute auditorium.

Criticising Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina and Jatiya Party Chairman HM Ershad, the BNP chief said Ershad should quit politics while Hasina may leave the country as “she has looted huge sums and all her relatives are staying abroad”, the meeting sources said.

About party nominations for the general election, she said only the parliamentary board would take decisions in this regard. “The board can even drop my name from the list of nominees. But everyone must obey the decisions,” she added.

The leader of the opposition, however, did not make any comments about the upcoming Dhaka city corporation polls. She only said the BNP would not participate in the national election if the electronic voting machines were used.

About the pending committees of the party's different units and associated bodies, she said they would be declared within two months.

The meeting sources said some 46 leaders spoke at the closed-door session that began around noon and ended at 11:00pm.

BNP's acting secretary general Mirza Fakhrul Islam Alamgir delivered the welcome address at the meeting, presided over by Khaleda Zia.

It was the third meeting since the 386-member executive committee was formed in December 2009. It first met on July 31, 2010, and then on April 23 last year.

Addressing the morning session yesterday, Khaleda said that “some harmful changes” had been made to the country's constitution through the 15th amendment. “If voted back to power, BNP will scrap the amendment,” she added.

She claimed the government brought the changes to the constitution before getting the full text of the court verdict on the caretaker government system. “And they [government] did so even though the court suggested the next two parliamentary elections might be held under caretaker governments.”

 



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Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: Demand for the Blasphemy Law



"Why followers of Islamic faith are so paranoid about criticism of their religious figurehead?  Can someone explain this phenomenon in the believers of Islam?"


Because their fragile house would fall apart.  That's why.  U.SA. declared it unconstitutional.  Even GB has done away with it.  Now the 'highly educated' people like Hannan wants it. 

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 


There are so many religions on earth, and most people believe in some sort of religion. As far as I know – Hinduism does not have any blasphemy law, but Islam, Christianity, and Judaism do have provision for blasphemy law. The tolerance levels of blasphemous acts in all those three religions (Islam, Christianity, and Judaism) vary widely. The most tolerant among those three are believers of Christianity, and least tolerant ones are the believers of Islam. They cannot even tolerate a mild criticism of their religion or their religious figureheads. They are ready to bring hell on earth for criticism of prophet.  Believers in other two religions (Christianity and Judaism) do not have such touchy feelings about their religious figures. Why followers of Islamic faith are so paranoid about criticism of their religious figurehead?  Can someone explain this phenomenon in the believers of Islam?

Jiten Roy
 
 

--- On Sun, 4/8/12, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: Demand for the Blasphemy Law
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 9:14 AM


 
Just want to add my two cents on this topic.

The main reason of our people becoming violent over petty issues is WE do not feel we have a country that respects law of the land. I see students closing national highways or calling for strike to get basic services from our governments. Here I am not criticizing our current government only rather talking about how our leading political parties (And government institution/bureaucracy) works. Until laborers in garment industries breaks few buses or obstructs major highways, they do not even get salaries regularly in many cases.

Therefore, it is easy for some of us to point finger at some people who are violent but without knowing WHY they are acting this way will not cease violence in our country. Last forty years many leaders had chances to establish rule of law in various institutions but they chose to tear down dignity of those institutions or fill them up with political workers instead (Most of the time dumb asses who only know to say yes sir or yes madam). So from judicial department, utilities departments, public universities, government owned factories etc are filled with people (Most but not all) who are incapable to do their duties. Gradually people do not even expect these institutions to protect them or be at their services. Rather they are afraid of police, WASA, Dhaka university etc and people who work in them.

Violence against alleged "Blasphemy" should not be blamed on those misguided people only. Rather all establishments who failed to do their BASIC duties. Sadly this is not the first time we witness this. (I am afraid) until we make fundamental changes this will not be the last incident either. Blaming so called "Fundamentalists" is easy and convenient (Guess Jamat-e-Islami is under radar for various ego-political reasons) but they are NOT the ONLY cause behind it. I have seen many political leaders of so called "Secular" parties abusing Hindus and Islam when it is convenient.

Now comes to "Idea" of freedom of speech. I strongly support the concept of free speech BUT I am afraid most of my countrymen do NOT understand it. For example, if I pick on a specific member of this forum and say this person stole money from me, he/she will have some options about responding to it. One possible option is to provide information and proof showing it is just a slander but not true. Another option is to expose me as a compulsive lair. Another possible option is to suit me in court of law for slander and libel.

Freedom of speech means sharing "AUTHENTIC" information or criticizing any person/institution based on FACTS. Lies, slander, libel is NOT part of the concept of "Free speech". 

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) left this world more than 1400 years ago. He is not there to defend his good name against lies, slander or libel. Therefore many Muslims feels strongly (Myself included) we have to do something to get those facts straight. However different people reacts differently to some of these "Hate campaigns". I prefer to provide authentic information to replace lies and hate campaigns, others protest it peacefully. Some of them do not have confidence that symbolic protests will stop these abuses, so they resort to violence. Islam is similar to other religions but also unique in some ways. Our love for our prophet is deeper than most ties we have in this material world, so this "Unique" bond leads SOME of us to protect the good name like we would protect the good names of our mothers or motherland.

I know non-Muslims or non-practicing Muslims do not understand this as it is an unique "Living relationship" and "Living LOVE" we have for the man who was described as "Mercy to the worlds". Those who studied his life dispassionately knows true nature of prophet of mercy (May peace and blessings be unto him). I think it is obscene to attack person (With falsehood) who died 1400 years ago.

Therefore, it is not "Practical" to expect we are not going to react to slanders and libels against our noble prophet (PBUH). Thankfully most people do tolerate abuses against a great man like prophet Muhammad (PBUH) but in this large community there are people who are less effective to control their emotions. So we see violence.

A true tolerant community needs a strong court system and law enforcement institutions (That is easily accessible) to protect "Tolerant nature" of that community.
Just like countries need to have srong army to protect peace. So NOT only Hindus pay the price, many more powerless Muslims, Chrsitians, tribal people ALSO face oppression in this "Golden Bengal" of ours.

I am encouraged by criticism of Islam or prophet Muhammad (PBUH) by non-Muslim Zionist scholars like Bernard Lewis who probably knows more about Islam than 99% of Muslim population. I have followed some of his works and he is well known for criticizing Muslims. But I have not seen him spreading blunt lies against Islam or Muhammad (PBUH). I do not agree with some of his "Interpretations" but that is "Free speech". So I do not have to agree with him (Albeit I respect his scholarship) in everything.

At the same time, I do not respect well known hate mongers against Islam and Muslims. That is not intolerance but supporting truth and justice. 

That is why I wrote in my last post that, until we become united to invest in our institutions (last two decades political parties were reluctant to make any fundamental changes to our colonial style institutions) people of all religion will suffer. I bet you anything, you will find MANY incidents of Muslims facing similar oppressions in this country for being in the wrong place in the wrong time every year.


It is WRONG to teach people that freedom of speech means you can spread lies about great people. Just a reminder, many countries all over the world (Including ours) made it illegal to criticize founding fathers of those countries. Why do you think it is OK to spread hateful lies against one of the greatest men who ever lived?

I am not making the last claim out of my faith only. I have studied his life (Yes critically as well) enough to know he was truly a messenger of mercy. I have been studying works of well known atheist Aroz Ali Matubbar for a while and amazingly his complaints were not against Islam in most parts but he detested how we practice Islam. I think I said similar things in this forum plenty of times. Aroz Ali even distributed his property according to Islamic philosophy!!

Sadly people without proper education in theology makes absurd comments about religious figures and even lesser educated people lead the wave of protest (Sometimes violent protest) against it. If we successfully build strong institutions, we'll see a more tolerant and liberal country in Bangladesh.

Lastly my humble request if you wish to "Respond" to this post, please read it one more time first......

Shalom!!  




-----Original Message-----
From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:13 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: Demand for the Blasphemy Law

 
My sincere question to Mr. Hannan: who creates the turmoil? Who instigates them? 
I was a student of DU when Daud Haider wrote a so called blasphemous poem that was published in the daily Sanbad. The Sanbad office was burnt down. Daud Haider was allowed a safe passage out of the country. His village home was burnt down though. There was a big demonstration. We were on the sidelines. I got an opportunity to read the poem thanks to one of senior Muslim students. He was a religious person. But he enjoyed the poem and reading it again and again. The poet has not spared any prophet. Krishna, Buddha, and Jesus were included. My friend was saying to us,"Why did the mollas do that? Simply by writing a poem a poet cannot do any harm to a religion. But the way the way mollas reacted put shame on us. " 
10-15 years I met Daud Haider in one of my Muslim friends' house. I asked him,"Do you repent for having written that poem?" with a firm voice he answered,"No." Age has not changed his conviction. I don't know if my senior friend Siraj bhai has changed. But I still believe what he said: the mollas overreacted for nothing. 
Now I understand that it was all politics against secularism and general students and common people were only tools and tool men were the instigators. 



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On Apr 7, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

 
What Mr. Hannan feels is simply that these 'religious people' are to vulnerable to criticism though they are free to criticize those who don't subscribe to their religions.  These 'religious personalities' have long enjoyed special privileges.  It is against human right to protect a certain group of people who nurture and propagate wrong concepts about the Universe and live like parasites in the name of religion.

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 5:14 PM, S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com> wrote:
 
Dear Mr.  Jiten and others,
My best regards. Human logic differs. I sincerely feel that attack on religious personalities ( particularly on Prophets or founders of all religion) create turmoil and this should be handled by a law stipulating deterrent punishment's far as I know there is blasphemy law in some form in some western countries. Even our penal code does not allow insulting religion or their Prophets or founders. Only thing is punishment is low and it is not applied. I only propose that punishment should be stern and in such cases government should file case as they do in case of murder.
Shah Abdul Hannan
 

From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jiten Roy
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 8:24 AM
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mukto-mona] Fw: Demand for the Blasphemy Law
 
 
When I hear demand for a law to protect the integrity of the God (or His messenger) from highly educated people, like Mr. S. A. Hannan, I keep wondering where their logical thinking abilities are. Don't they understand that, by asking for such a law, they are, in fact, questioning the almightiness of the God? This is not such a complicated logic. Is it?
 
If it comes from an uneducated religious person, I could understand but, mere fact that, such thought can emanate from highly educated people also - really puzzles me.   
 
In my view – there is only one reason for the Blasphemy Law, and that is to block all criticisms of the subject. You do so when you are not confident about the integrity of the subject, and you are afraid that it will not withstand criticisms. If your faith is genuine, it should withstand all criticisms. Where am I going wrong?

Jiten Roy

--- On Fri, 4/6/12, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 


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Re: [mukto-mona] RE: Dallas Pakistanis :: Demand for the Blasphemy Law



Who defines blasphemy, Maulana Hannan?

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 1:35 PM, S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com> wrote:
 

Irfan sahib,

It is illogical that in a Muslim state Prophet will be insulted and the offender will not be punished.Dr Hashim Kamali has concluded in chapter on Blasphemy in his book  the Freedom Of Expression in Islam that blasphemy is punishable under Taziir and the punishment will depend on the level of offence. I feel he is right.

 

Shah Abdul Hannan

 


From: DallasPakistanis@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DallasPakistanis@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Faiz
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 5:34 AM
To: DallasPakistanis@yahoogroups.com; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Dallas Pakistanis :: Demand for the Blasphemy Law

 

 

Dear Mr. Hannan,

 

Please do not insult the Qur'anic teachings.  The Qur'an does not require us to punish blasphemy in THIS world.  It's solely Allah's territory and He will deal with the blasphemers as He sees fit.  Why do you want to kill the blasphemer when Allah has declared ALL murders unlawful (except when they are legally justified—and blasphemy is NOT one of them)?  Do you blood on your hands?

 

Even the prophets were badly insulted during their lifetimes and Allah threatened the blasphemers to punish them Himself---Here and in the Hereafter.  Only He has this prerogative, no one else.  This is because the blasphemer must be allowed to have their natural life to repent  at any time, and this opportunity must not be taken away from them.  I hope you understand the difference between insulting and spreading widespread corruption on the Earth. 

 

Irfan

 

From: DallasPakistanis@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DallasPakistanis@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of S A Hannan
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 7:15 AM
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Dallas Pakistanis :: RE: [mukto-mona] Fw: Demand for the Blasphemy Law

 

 

Dear Mr.  Jiten and others,

My best regards. Human logic differs. I sincerely feel that attack on religious personalities ( particularly on Prophets or founders of all religion) create turmoil and this should be handled by a law stipulating deterrent punishment's far as I know there is blasphemy law in some form in some western countries. Even our penal code does not allow insulting religion or their Prophets or founders. Only thing is punishment is low and it is not applied. I only propose that punishment should be stern and in such cases government should file case as they do in case of murder.

Shah Abdul Hannan

 


From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jiten Roy
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 8:24 AM
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mukto-mona] Fw: Demand for the Blasphemy Law

 

 

When I hear demand for a law to protect the integrity of the God (or His messenger) from highly educated people, like Mr. S. A. Hannan, I keep wondering where their logical thinking abilities are. Don't they understand that, by asking for such a law, they are, in fact, questioning the almightiness of the God? This is not such a complicated logic. Is it?

 

If it comes from an uneducated religious person, I could understand but, mere fact that, such thought can emanate from highly educated people also - really puzzles me.   

 

In my view – there is only one reason for the Blasphemy Law, and that is to block all criticisms of the subject. You do so when you are not confident about the integrity of the subject, and you are afraid that it will not withstand criticisms. If your faith is genuine, it should withstand all criticisms. Where am I going wrong?


Jiten Roy


--- On Fri, 4/6/12, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

 



--- On Fri, 4/6/12, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

 




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Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: Demand for the Blasphemy Law




There are so many religions on earth, and most people believe in some sort of religion. As far as I know – Hinduism does not have any blasphemy law, but Islam, Christianity, and Judaism do have provision for blasphemy law. The tolerance levels of blasphemous acts in all those three religions (Islam, Christianity, and Judaism) vary widely. The most tolerant among those three are believers of Christianity, and least tolerant ones are the believers of Islam. They cannot even tolerate a mild criticism of their religion or their religious figureheads. They are ready to bring hell on earth for criticism of prophet.  Believers in other two religions (Christianity and Judaism) do not have such touchy feelings about their religious figures. Why followers of Islamic faith are so paranoid about criticism of their religious figurehead?  Can someone explain this phenomenon in the believers of Islam?

Jiten Roy
 
 

--- On Sun, 4/8/12, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: Demand for the Blasphemy Law
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 9:14 AM

 
Just want to add my two cents on this topic.

The main reason of our people becoming violent over petty issues is WE do not feel we have a country that respects law of the land. I see students closing national highways or calling for strike to get basic services from our governments. Here I am not criticizing our current government only rather talking about how our leading political parties (And government institution/bureaucracy) works. Until laborers in garment industries breaks few buses or obstructs major highways, they do not even get salaries regularly in many cases.

Therefore, it is easy for some of us to point finger at some people who are violent but without knowing WHY they are acting this way will not cease violence in our country. Last forty years many leaders had chances to establish rule of law in various institutions but they chose to tear down dignity of those institutions or fill them up with political workers instead (Most of the time dumb asses who only know to say yes sir or yes madam). So from judicial department, utilities departments, public universities, government owned factories etc are filled with people (Most but not all) who are incapable to do their duties. Gradually people do not even expect these institutions to protect them or be at their services. Rather they are afraid of police, WASA, Dhaka university etc and people who work in them.

Violence against alleged "Blasphemy" should not be blamed on those misguided people only. Rather all establishments who failed to do their BASIC duties. Sadly this is not the first time we witness this. (I am afraid) until we make fundamental changes this will not be the last incident either. Blaming so called "Fundamentalists" is easy and convenient (Guess Jamat-e-Islami is under radar for various ego-political reasons) but they are NOT the ONLY cause behind it. I have seen many political leaders of so called "Secular" parties abusing Hindus and Islam when it is convenient.

Now comes to "Idea" of freedom of speech. I strongly support the concept of free speech BUT I am afraid most of my countrymen do NOT understand it. For example, if I pick on a specific member of this forum and say this person stole money from me, he/she will have some options about responding to it. One possible option is to provide information and proof showing it is just a slander but not true. Another option is to expose me as a compulsive lair. Another possible option is to suit me in court of law for slander and libel.

Freedom of speech means sharing "AUTHENTIC" information or criticizing any person/institution based on FACTS. Lies, slander, libel is NOT part of the concept of "Free speech". 

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) left this world more than 1400 years ago. He is not there to defend his good name against lies, slander or libel. Therefore many Muslims feels strongly (Myself included) we have to do something to get those facts straight. However different people reacts differently to some of these "Hate campaigns". I prefer to provide authentic information to replace lies and hate campaigns, others protest it peacefully. Some of them do not have confidence that symbolic protests will stop these abuses, so they resort to violence. Islam is similar to other religions but also unique in some ways. Our love for our prophet is deeper than most ties we have in this material world, so this "Unique" bond leads SOME of us to protect the good name like we would protect the good names of our mothers or motherland.

I know non-Muslims or non-practicing Muslims do not understand this as it is an unique "Living relationship" and "Living LOVE" we have for the man who was described as "Mercy to the worlds". Those who studied his life dispassionately knows true nature of prophet of mercy (May peace and blessings be unto him). I think it is obscene to attack person (With falsehood) who died 1400 years ago.

Therefore, it is not "Practical" to expect we are not going to react to slanders and libels against our noble prophet (PBUH). Thankfully most people do tolerate abuses against a great man like prophet Muhammad (PBUH) but in this large community there are people who are less effective to control their emotions. So we see violence.

A true tolerant community needs a strong court system and law enforcement institutions (That is easily accessible) to protect "Tolerant nature" of that community.
Just like countries need to have srong army to protect peace. So NOT only Hindus pay the price, many more powerless Muslims, Chrsitians, tribal people ALSO face oppression in this "Golden Bengal" of ours.

I am encouraged by criticism of Islam or prophet Muhammad (PBUH) by non-Muslim Zionist scholars like Bernard Lewis who probably knows more about Islam than 99% of Muslim population. I have followed some of his works and he is well known for criticizing Muslims. But I have not seen him spreading blunt lies against Islam or Muhammad (PBUH). I do not agree with some of his "Interpretations" but that is "Free speech". So I do not have to agree with him (Albeit I respect his scholarship) in everything.

At the same time, I do not respect well known hate mongers against Islam and Muslims. That is not intolerance but supporting truth and justice. 

That is why I wrote in my last post that, until we become united to invest in our institutions (last two decades political parties were reluctant to make any fundamental changes to our colonial style institutions) people of all religion will suffer. I bet you anything, you will find MANY incidents of Muslims facing similar oppressions in this country for being in the wrong place in the wrong time every year.


It is WRONG to teach people that freedom of speech means you can spread lies about great people. Just a reminder, many countries all over the world (Including ours) made it illegal to criticize founding fathers of those countries. Why do you think it is OK to spread hateful lies against one of the greatest men who ever lived?

I am not making the last claim out of my faith only. I have studied his life (Yes critically as well) enough to know he was truly a messenger of mercy. I have been studying works of well known atheist Aroz Ali Matubbar for a while and amazingly his complaints were not against Islam in most parts but he detested how we practice Islam. I think I said similar things in this forum plenty of times. Aroz Ali even distributed his property according to Islamic philosophy!!

Sadly people without proper education in theology makes absurd comments about religious figures and even lesser educated people lead the wave of protest (Sometimes violent protest) against it. If we successfully build strong institutions, we'll see a more tolerant and liberal country in Bangladesh.

Lastly my humble request if you wish to "Respond" to this post, please read it one more time first......

Shalom!!  




-----Original Message-----
From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:13 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: Demand for the Blasphemy Law

 
My sincere question to Mr. Hannan: who creates the turmoil? Who instigates them? 
I was a student of DU when Daud Haider wrote a so called blasphemous poem that was published in the daily Sanbad. The Sanbad office was burnt down. Daud Haider was allowed a safe passage out of the country. His village home was burnt down though. There was a big demonstration. We were on the sidelines. I got an opportunity to read the poem thanks to one of senior Muslim students. He was a religious person. But he enjoyed the poem and reading it again and again. The poet has not spared any prophet. Krishna, Buddha, and Jesus were included. My friend was saying to us,"Why did the mollas do that? Simply by writing a poem a poet cannot do any harm to a religion. But the way the way mollas reacted put shame on us. " 
10-15 years I met Daud Haider in one of my Muslim friends' house. I asked him,"Do you repent for having written that poem?" with a firm voice he answered,"No." Age has not changed his conviction. I don't know if my senior friend Siraj bhai has changed. But I still believe what he said: the mollas overreacted for nothing. 
Now I understand that it was all politics against secularism and general students and common people were only tools and tool men were the instigators. 



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On Apr 7, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

 
What Mr. Hannan feels is simply that these 'religious people' are to vulnerable to criticism though they are free to criticize those who don't subscribe to their religions.  These 'religious personalities' have long enjoyed special privileges.  It is against human right to protect a certain group of people who nurture and propagate wrong concepts about the Universe and live like parasites in the name of religion.

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 5:14 PM, S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com> wrote:
 
Dear Mr.  Jiten and others,
My best regards. Human logic differs. I sincerely feel that attack on religious personalities ( particularly on Prophets or founders of all religion) create turmoil and this should be handled by a law stipulating deterrent punishment's far as I know there is blasphemy law in some form in some western countries. Even our penal code does not allow insulting religion or their Prophets or founders. Only thing is punishment is low and it is not applied. I only propose that punishment should be stern and in such cases government should file case as they do in case of murder.
Shah Abdul Hannan
 

From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jiten Roy
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 8:24 AM
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mukto-mona] Fw: Demand for the Blasphemy Law
 
 
When I hear demand for a law to protect the integrity of the God (or His messenger) from highly educated people, like Mr. S. A. Hannan, I keep wondering where their logical thinking abilities are. Don't they understand that, by asking for such a law, they are, in fact, questioning the almightiness of the God? This is not such a complicated logic. Is it?
 
If it comes from an uneducated religious person, I could understand but, mere fact that, such thought can emanate from highly educated people also - really puzzles me.   
 
In my view – there is only one reason for the Blasphemy Law, and that is to block all criticisms of the subject. You do so when you are not confident about the integrity of the subject, and you are afraid that it will not withstand criticisms. If your faith is genuine, it should withstand all criticisms. Where am I going wrong?

Jiten Roy

--- On Fri, 4/6/12, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 


--- On Fri, 4/6/12, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
 



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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [KHABOR] Daily Amardesh - Hindu students of Dhaka university Jagannath Hall violent road blockage-- action should be taken against those who insulted Prophet and those who burnt houses of Hindu community



What Hannan does not understand is the secular and left have higher moral values than religious preachers.  I don't understand what change in scripture Prof. Mannan is talking about.  When did the scripture remained the same?  In every religion, it has been distorted on the sweet will of the leaders.

2012/4/8 Captain Chowdhury <captchowdhury@yahoo.ca>
Hannan shahibs are ANDHA RELIGIOUS PEOPLE, may spoil our country which was happened in the past between 1975-1996..Gradually developing again with War Criminal issue, made them furious and trying to bounce back..It will not be succesful any way ..
Mannan Sir (RIC)..kindly teach him.
Ex-Secy under Hasina administration n scholar, now looks sympathetic to Jamaat, making lot of cut/paste during his elderly age not like you taking class at Liberal arts ...This is the difference ..i am not sure when this country will prosper.

 
From: Abdul Mannan <abman1971@gmail.com>
To: khabor@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 6:13:52 PM
Subject: Re: [KHABOR] Daily Amardesh - Hindu students of Dhaka university Jagannath Hall violent road blockage-- action should be taken against those who insulted Prophet and those who burnt houses of Hindu community

 
From where did one get the idea that the script was changed? Hearsay? That is where you start to create problems. This will be the end. Just the beginning. As we go along we will have similar incidents if the government is not careful. I am waiting to hear when a group of so called 'Islamists' will begin an agitation to ban Syed Waliullah's 'Lal Shalu.' Some people have the idea they are the sole agent of Islam. People should be careful about these hypocrites.

Warm wishes.

M

2012/4/8 S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
 
This is not true; Abul Mansur Ahmad did not write a word against Prophet. The script writer made some change or the actor said something beyond what Abul Mansur Ahmad wrote.
 Most Islamists almost everywhere and in Bangladesh are now more knowledgeable about the society and modern world affairs. They want to establish society and state based on moral values and laws. The secular and the left now have nothing positive to do except  deconstruct religion and morality.
 
Shah Abdul Hannan
 
From: khabor@yahoogroups.com [mailto:khabor@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mezbah jowher
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 5:10 PM
To: khabor@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [KHABOR] Daily Amardesh - Hindu students of Dhaka university Jagannath Hall violent road blockage-- action should be taken against those who insulted Prophet and those who burnt houses of Hindu community
 
I've read the famous satire "Huzur Kebla" composed by Abul Mansur Ahmed. The satire was included in his book "Ayna".  
Ayna is a wonderful book written most probably in fifties. The writer tried to portray the down-trodden Muslim community of Bengal & skillfully pictured how the Muslim community was being subjugated & exploited by the so called Pirs/ Majhabs in the name of religion. Huzur Kebla is the tale of such a fake "Pir" (Bhanda Pir) whose unholy religious ploy destroyed 2 young lives. Emdad, an educated new disciple or Murid of the Pir, witnessed the whole episode of the Pir closely & revolted against him. There is nothing in the story that assassinates the character of the Prophet.
Ayna or Huzur Kebla although written almost 70 years back is still applicable in our society. Abul Mansur Ahmed dared to write it in those dark days & nobody came forward to kill him or even criticize the truth hidden in the story. It's a pity that so many houses were burnt for just playing this immortal story during the reign so called secular Govt!
It proves that BD has gone more fanatic now than was in fifties/ sixties. I fear, if Abul Mansur Ahmed would be alive today & dare to write such stories, he would have to face the same fate as of Humayun Azad.
Keep no doubt about it......
Regds.
MJ    
 
From: S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
To: dahuk@yahoogroups.com; khabor@yahoogroups.com; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; 'sahannan' <sahannan@yahoogroups.com>; inquisitive_sisters@yahoogroups.com; nibulbul2006@yahoo.com; mrkarim_80@yahoo.com; su_maiya1@yahoo.com; azizbiit@gmail.com; lutfulb2000@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 4:38 AM
Subject: [KHABOR] Daily Amardesh - Hindu students of Dhaka university Jagannath Hall violent road blockage-- action should be taken against those who insulted Prophet and those who burnt houses of Hindu community
 
 
 Hindu students of Dhaka university Jagannath Hall resort to violent road blockage .Action should be taken against those who insulted Prophet in the first place in Satkhira and then against those  who burnt 8/9 houses of Hindu community there. Insulting Prophet is a major crime in Islam. There should be a blasphemy law penalizing proved cases of insulting Prophets/founders of religions.
Shah Abdul Hannan
 
"ঘটনার নেপথ্য : ২৬ মার্চ স্বাধীনতা দিবস উপলক্ষে ২৭ মার্চ ফতেহপুর মাধ্যমিক বিদ্যালয়ে 'হুজুর কেবলা' নামক নাটক মঞ্চায়িত হয়। নাটকে হযরত মুহাম্মদকে (সা.) লোভী আখ্যায়িত করা হয়। এতে ক্ষুব্ধ এলাকাবাসী মিলে নাটকের সঙ্গে সংশ্লিষ্ট ব্যক্তি স্কুল কর্তৃপক্ষের প্রতি ক্ষুব্ধ হন। ঘটনায় স্থানীয় এক আওয়ামী লীগ নেতা থানায় মামলাও করেন। এতে এক নাট্যকার, স্কুলের প্রধান শিক্ষক এক সহকারী শিক্ষককে গ্রেফতারও করে পুলিশ। বিষয়টি নিয়ে চলতে থাকে চরম উত্তপ্ত অবস্থা। নিয়ে আইনশৃঙ্খলা বাহিনীও কয়েক দফা মিটিং করে। সর্বশেষ বিক্ষুব্ধ জনতা ৩১ মার্চ 'নাটকের সঙ্গে সংশ্লিষ্ট হিন্দু-মুসলিম সম্প্রদায়ের -১০টি ঘর জ্বালিয়ে দেয়। ঘটনার পরপরই রাজনৈতিক উদ্দেশ্য চরিতার্থ করার চেষ্টা চলে। এতে জড়িয়ে পড়ে স্থানীয় আওয়ামী লীগ জাতীয় পার্টি।"

সাতক্ষীরায় নির্যাতনের প্রতিবাদ : শাহবাগে সড়ক অবরোধ করে সংখ্যালঘু সম্প্রদায়ের ছাত্রদের তাণ্ডব

বিশ্ববিদ্যালয় রিপোর্টার
ঢাকা বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ের হিন্দু ধর্মালম্বী ছাত্রদের অবরোধ বিক্ষোভে গতকাল রাজধানীর সড়কগুলো তিন ঘণ্টারও বেশি সময় অচল ছিল। ছাত্ররা শাহাবাগে রাস্তায় গাড়ির টায়ারে আগুন ধরিয়ে দেয় এবং যানবাহনে ভাংচুর চালায়। এতে নগরজুড়ে তীব্র যানজট সৃষ্টি হয়। চরম দুর্ভোগে জনজীবন বিপর্যস্ত হয়।
সম্প্রতি সাতক্ষীরায় সংখ্যালঘু নির্যাতনের অভিযোগে তাদের ওই প্রতিবাদ। এদিকে সাতক্ষীরার কালিগঞ্জের ঘটনা সম্পর্কে আমাদের প্রতিনিধি জানান, শুধু সংখ্যালঘুদের ওপর লুটপাট নির্যাতনের যে অভিযোগ আনা হয়েছে তা সত্য নয়। 'হুজুর কেবলা' নামক মঞ্চায়িত নাটকে হযরত মুহাম্মদকে (সা.) অবমাননা করায় ক্ষুব্ধ জনতা নাটকের সঙ্গে সংশ্লিষ্ট হিন্দু মুসলিম সম্প্রদায়ের কয়েকটি বাড়ি-ঘর পুড়িয়ে দেয়। বিষয়টি নিয়ে এখন রাজনৈতিক উদ্দেশ্য চরিতার্থ করা হচ্ছে।
সাতক্ষীরার কালিগঞ্জে 'ধর্মীয় সংখ্যালঘুদের' বাড়িতে লুটপাট নির্যাতনের অভিযোগে চারদফা দাবিতে ঢাকা বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ের জগন্নাথ হলের কয়েকশ' ছাত্র সড়ক অবরোধ, আগুন, ভাংচুর বিক্ষোভ করে। ছাত্ররা সকালে হল থেকে প্রতিবাদ মিছিল নিয়ে ক্যাম্পাস ঘুরে পৌনে ১১টায় শাহবাগ মোড়ে অবস্থান নিয়ে গাড়ির টায়ারে আগুন জ্বালিয়ে বিক্ষোভ শুরু করে। কয়েকটি যানবাহনে আগুন দেয়ার কথা জানায় প্রত্যক্ষদর্শীরা। পৌনে ২টা পর্যন্ত প্রায় তিন ঘণ্টা অবরোধ, আগুন বিক্ষোভ চলে। এতে শাহবাগ থেকে মত্স্যভবন, বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়, ফার্মগেট সায়েন্স ল্যাবরেটরিমুখী সড়কে যান চলাচল পুরোপরি বন্ধ হয়ে যায়। রাজধানীর অন্যান্য সড়কেও এর তীব্র প্রভাব পড়ে। হাজারো যানবাহনের তীব্র যানজটে চরম দুর্ভোগে পড়ে যাত্রীরা। চলতি এইচএসসি পরীক্ষায় গতকালের পরীক্ষা শেষে পরীক্ষার্থী অভিবাবকরা বাসায় ফিরতে গিয়ে গরমের মধ্যে দুর্ভোগে পড়েন। তিন ঘণ্টাব্যাগী বিক্ষোভ আগুন জ্বালিয়ে রাস্তা অবরোধ করে রাখলেও ঘটনাস্থলে পুলিশ ছিল নীরব। সংখ্যালঘু অজুহাতে পুলিশকে অবরোধ তুলে দিতে কার্যত কোনো পদক্ষেপ নিতে দেখা যায়নি। শেষ পর্যন্ত বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ের ভিসি অধ্যাপক . আরেফিন সিদ্দিক ঘটনাস্থলে এসে অনুরোধ জানালে পৌনে ২টায় অবরোধ তুলে নেয় বিক্ষোভকারীরা। এরপর আবার যান চলাচল শুরু হয়। তবে যান চলাচল স্বাভাবিক হতে কয়েক ঘণ্টা সময় লাগে। এর আগে বুধবার রাতেও একই অভিযোগে প্রায় এক ঘণ্টা শাহবাগ এলাকা অবরুদ্ধ করে রাখেছিল জগন্নাথ হলের ছাত্ররা
বিক্ষোভকারীদের অভিযোগ : বিক্ষোভে অংশ নেয়া ছাত্ররা তাদের অভিযোগে জানায়, গত ২৬ মার্চ স্বাধীনতা দিবসে সাতক্ষীরার কালিগঞ্জ উপজেলার ফতেহপুর মাধ্যমিক বিদ্যালয়ে একটি নাটক মঞ্চস্থ হয়। ওই নাটকে ইসলাম ধর্মকে কটাক্ষ করা হয়েছেএমন অভিযোগে কয়েকটি ধর্মভিত্তিক রাজনৈতিক সংগঠনের কর্মী-সমর্থকরা স্থানীয় হিন্দু ধর্মাবলম্বীদের কয়েকটি বাড়িতে লুটপাট চালায় এবং তাদের ওপর নির্যাতন করে। শিক্ষার্থীদের আন্দোলনের নেতৃত্বে থাকা জগন্নাথ হলের ছাত্র মানিক রক্ষিত জানায়, এভাবে বার বার কেন সংখ্যালঘুদের ওপর নির্যাতন চালানো হচ্ছে? সরকার কেন ব্যবস্থা নিচ্ছে না? মানিক রক্ষিত তাদের ৪টি দাবি জানিয়ে বলেন, কালিগঞ্জে ক্ষতিগ্রস্তদের ক্ষতিপূরণ পুনর্বাসনের ব্যবস্থা করতে হবে। হামলার ঘটনায় জড়িতদের গ্রেফতার করে দৃষ্টান্তমূলক শাস্তি দিতে হবে। সারাদেশে সংখ্যালঘুদের নিরাপত্তা নিশ্চিত করতে হবে এবং এসব বিষয়ে প্রশাসনকে সক্রিয় অবস্থান নিতে হবে।
বিশ্ববিদ্যালয় কর্তৃপক্ষ পুলিশের বক্তব্য : ভিসি আরেফিন সিদ্দিক ঘটনাস্থলে এসে শিক্ষার্থীদের দাবির প্রতি সংহতি জানিয়ে তাদের অবরোধ তুলে নিতে অনুরোধ করেন। সময় তিনি বলেন, সাতক্ষীরায় যে ঘটনা ঘটেছে তা লজ্জাকর, বেদনাদায়ক। তারা যে দলের সদস্য হোক না কেন ঘটনা কোনোভাবেই কাম্য নয়। দোষীদের শাস্তির আওতায় নেয়া হোকএটা আমাদের দাবি। আমরা আশা করি, সরকার ব্যাপারে দ্রুত ব্যবস্থা নেবে।
পুলিশের রমনা জোনের সহকারী কমিশনার এসএম শিবলী নোমান সাংবাদিকদের জানান, জগন্নাথ হলের শিক্ষার্থীরা সংখ্যালঘু নির্যতনের প্রতিবাদে রাস্তা অবরোধ করে রাখে। তবে তারা যানবাহন ভাংচুর করেনি। পুলিশের রমনা জোনের সহকারী উপ-কমিশনার নুরুল ইসলাম জানান, আমরা তাদের সড়ক থেকে সরে যেতে অনুরোধ করে বলেছি, তারা যেন প্রধানমন্ত্রীর কার্যালয় গিয়ে স্মারকলিপি দেয়। তিনি জানান, এরই মধ্যে সাতক্ষীরার ঘটনায় পুলিশ সুপার সদর থানার ওসিকে প্রত্যাহার করা হয়েছে।
ঘটনার নেপথ্য : ২৬ মার্চ স্বাধীনতা দিবস উপলক্ষে ২৭ মার্চ ফতেহপুর মাধ্যমিক বিদ্যালয়ে 'হুজুর কেবলা' নামক নাটক মঞ্চায়িত হয়। নাটকে হযরত মুহাম্মদকে (সা.) লোভী আখ্যায়িত করা হয়। এতে ক্ষুব্ধ এলাকাবাসী মিলে নাটকের সঙ্গে সংশ্লিষ্ট ব্যক্তি স্কুল কর্তৃপক্ষের প্রতি ক্ষুব্ধ হন। ঘটনায় স্থানীয় এক আওয়ামী লীগ নেতা থানায় মামলাও করেন। এতে এক নাট্যকার, স্কুলের প্রধান শিক্ষক এক সহকারী শিক্ষককে গ্রেফতারও করে পুলিশ। বিষয়টি নিয়ে চলতে থাকে চরম উত্তপ্ত অবস্থা। নিয়ে আইনশৃঙ্খলা বাহিনীও কয়েক দফা মিটিং করে। সর্বশেষ বিক্ষুব্ধ জনতা ৩১ মার্চ 'নাটকের সঙ্গে সংশ্লিষ্ট হিন্দু-মুসলিম সম্প্রদায়ের -১০টি ঘর জ্বালিয়ে দেয়। ঘটনার পরপরই রাজনৈতিক উদ্দেশ্য চরিতার্থ করার চেষ্টা চলে। এতে জড়িয়ে পড়ে স্থানীয় আওয়ামী লীগ জাতীয় পার্টি
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