Re: [KHABOR] RE: [ALOCHONA] RE: [mukto-mona] RE: Child Abuse under Islamic cover : Fire of hell is hotter .......

Assalamu Alaikum:

 

So far I  know that Ex Chief justice Syed Mahmud Murshed, Shah Azizur Rahman and

probably at least two Chief Justice of Pakistan Supreme Court, Justice Hamudur Rahaman (Burdwani) and Justcie Fazle Rabbi (Murshidabadi) and many others of Pakistanis/Bangladeshis were also produced by Madrasa, probably by Calcutta Alia Madrasha (in Taltala).

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From: S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com; mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 11:21:06 PM
Subject: [KHABOR] RE: [ALOCHONA] RE: [mukto-mona] RE: Child Abuse under Islamic cover : Fire of hell is hotter .......

 

Shah Deedar you are simplistic. These Madrasah graduates kept the Masjids running, the morals of the nation safe to the extent possible.Madrasas produced many political leaders like Akram Khan, Maulana Abul Kalam Azad., Mufti Mahmud, Moulana Atahar Ali in the past.

 

Many others who graduated from universities had initial education Madrasas.Even now about one third of the students get education in Dakhil Madrasas and then to the universities and they are better in education and conduct on balance in most cases.

The Madrasa stream is not harming national development. It is assisting by producing relatively more disciplined citizens.

Shah Abdul Hannan

 

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From: alochona@yahoogroups.com [mailto: alochona@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Shah Deeldar
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:41 PM
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com ; 'mukto-mona'
Cc: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] RE: [mukto-mona] RE: Child Abuse under Islamic cover : Fire of hell is hotter .......

 

 

I think she is right. Tell me one good thing that was created by Madrassa education except learning something that has no value in modern life. What change did that education brought to Islamic countries? What invention did we make in last five hundred years? It is the modern knowledge cultivated by others serving us with all kinds of products and gizmos. We have become only buyers of manufactured goods and not creators of any damn thing except chanting God is great? And, how long can this go on?

-SD   

 

"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

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From: S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com ; 'mukto-mona' < mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:00 PM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] RE: [mukto-mona] RE: Child Abuse under Islamic cover : Fire of hell is hotter .......

 

 

This is Farida Majid at her best. She wants banning of all Madrasas.What an extreme statement. No comment is needed .

 

Her Islam which she parades sometimes is a queer thing. She understands Islam more than all Ulama and other Islamic scholars.

Shah Abdul Hannan

 

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From: alochona@yahoogroups.com [mailto: alochona@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Farida Majid
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 10:08 PM
To: mukto-mona
Subject: [ALOCHONA] RE: [mukto-mona] RE: Child Abuse under Islamic cover : Fire of hell is hotter .......

 

 

         Mr. Q Rahman gives us great wisdom from his 'religious' knowledge almost every time he posts. At some point one would thin that he is striving to be the greatest proselytizer of Islam.  My question is: Did he acquire all this vast knowledge from Madrassah education that he received in the past? Does Mr. Rahman himself,  or his sisters, brothers, cousins, friends and relatives send their children to Madrassahs for "authentic teachings of Islam"?

      Unless the honest answer to the question is an unqualified YES Mr. Q Rahman is resorting to a false, malicious propaganda. The fact on the ground level is that for the benefit of future generations of Muslims in the subcontinent

            Madrassahs should be BANNED from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh .

             The traditional 'moktob' on Fridays that give 'ampara' lessons to little boys and girls at the local mosques in the village have been sufficient religious education for centuries.  In the cities parents can send their children to a weekend 'diniyat' school or something to pick up skills to read the Qur'an.  Parents can provide the needed religious education for their children (just as Mr. Rahman's parents did) without thousands and thousands and thousands of Madrassahs all over the country. The Muslims of Bangladesh are 'naturally' better quality Muslims than their berathars and sisters in the Kingdom of Jahiliya (otherwise known as Saudi Arabia ).

               There should be proper Religious Seminaries or especial Madrassahs where Imams and Khadems of mosques should receive their education.

               If you cannot see the politics behind the establishment of these educationally backward,  harmful and useless madrassahs then you ARE part of the propaganda. This has nothing to do with religion.

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To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: subimal@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 11:45:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: Child Abuse under Islamic cover : Fire of hell is hotter .......

1. I will use the word "karma" as a religious or philosophical concept. The said word has very deep meanings.

 

2. Atheists (example, the Stalin era in the USSR ) may have agenda that can prompt them to kill and torture. I hope I have properly understood the meaning of the statement "Without communal agenda, atheists have no reason to abandon good karmas". Killings and torture by many "religious" dictators (example, Saddam) were or are not communally motivated. The holocausts that descended on the Jews (WW II) and Hindus (1971) were mostly communal in nature. In these two cases Hitler and Yahiya Khan were the villains.   

 

3. Hatred, discrimination, persecution, and killing are rooted in scriptures. It depends on the ruler how he interprets and implements it. AL (I prefer using AL to BAL--it is my problem, Mr. Rahaman, as the sense of sin is in my mind as I am prejudiced with the word BAL) gave us a great constitution although there was hardly any atheists in that party. Nazibullah and Mollah Omar had diametrically opposite agenda---the former one's being far more progressive and humanitarian than that of the latter's. Even a Taliban member who fought against Soviet ocuupation does not want Taliban to come back to power with the same agenda (closing girls' school for example). 

 

4. In my judgement (following Campbell ), both Islam and Hinduism originally were tribal in nature. Although the rituals have mostly remained triabal in nature (comparatively more dominating in Hinduism), both the religions are getting more and more universal. Given the multi-cultural, multi-racial, and multi-religious interactive and interdependent pluralistic societies, there is no way out. Isolated and closed societies are suicidal.

 

5. I do not believe in divine authorities. Every thing we see in scriptures are man made and were captured in the minds and hearts of the sages. Since they are man made and hence are bound to be time- and place-specific, only man is legitimately entitled to challenge, modify, and update them. I always emphasize on the word "reinterpretation". I find the concept of "reincarnation" or "Avatar" interesting and instructive. If we are afraid to challenge, reinterpret, and update, we are doomed to live a life that is not "modern". The concept of "Avatar" guarantees the progress of the society as you do not get stuck to a particular Avatar and successive Avatrs are supposed to be more and more progressive. 

 

6. It does not matter when eating beef was forbidden, it is still a fact that to a practicing Hindu, the cow is sacred and eating beef is against his religion. I have seen many Hindus not following this religious edict thanks to the freedom and rationality that they use to break the barrier to enjoy the cheap resources of the world a little bit more. Christians in general are more open in this matter.

 

7. I am aware that Mr. Rahman is not advocation for implementing Islamic rule in Bangladeh. But I wnt to emphasize that I am dead against the so called "Islamic" rule in Bangladesh . I like 1972 constitution which has already been raped several times. I believe in the principle of "separation of the church from the state". Even I do not buy the idea that a state ( Bangladesh ) get pro-actively involved with an international organization (OIC) in declaring a city (Dhaka) as the capital (Dhaka) of a particular religious (Islamic) culture of a continent ( Asia ) for a particular year (1212). I am not aware of the terms of reference that Bangladesh will have to follow in case of capital of Islamic culture matter. In my opinion it should kept private and not a state affair. It should however be allright for the PM who happens to be the head of the government of a Muslim majority country to become the chief guest in any occasion related to this. But what can we do? Our dependence on the Islamic countries is still unlimited.

 

8. I fully agree that the improvemnt in quality of Islamic education will minimize the unhappy incidences like the one that has recently happened in a madrasa. Even a several decades ago Greek philosophies used to be taught in the madrasas of the subcontinent. I am not sure what they have now in the curriculum. Our governments have neither commitments nor resources to improve the system. They do not have the courage either to undertake such a program.         

 

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: Child Abuse under Islamic cover : Fire of hell is hotter .......

the, ists, without communal agenda, have no reason to abandon good-karmas. Also, in my view, there is another class of people who serve God through good-deeds only, devoid of any religious ideology have no incentive to deviate from their good-karmas.

 

>>>>>>>>>> I am sure disorder in Bangladesh bothers you enough to write about it. It is the same for me. However some of your assumptions are probably based on observation not based on teachings of religion. Rightly you pointed out that without communal agenda, atheists have no reason to abandon good-karmas.

Guess you "Assumed" that religion dictates us to work against people of other faiths and no faiths. Judging by some so called religious parties I cannot blame you for such assumptions but that is NOT what Islam (As a Muslim I just want to talk about Islam in my post) is all about. Unlike most prominent faiths, Islam does have a Global outlook. The criminal laws are mostly same for people of all faiths. It does not favor Muslims over non-Muslims. In civil cases there are differences (Like laws of inheritance). The main problem is so called religious parties often focus on laws that favors their own ideologies (Frequently it has a magical relationship with going to power and grow influence in politics). Muslims cannot pick and chose laws of Allah (SWT). They should try their level best to practice as much as possible. Which includes respecting "Rights" (Haq) of other people. Islamic "Communal agendas" is mainly talking about one God (Not forcing others to this ideology but TALKING about), establish rights of all people, secure peace for the mass. As I mentioned in a recent post BAL was flexible about it's socialist agenda and it helped our country in a big way. We cannot be slaves of "Processes" only, we have to ensure we are following processes properly. For most Muslims in Bangladesh , we are largely "Tradition bound" not religion bound. Guess you can say the same about Hindus as well. As one Hindu scholar mentioned, there is nothing in scriptures of "Sanatana Dharma" prohibiting it's followers from consuming beef but it was a popular movement to "Respond" to Jainism. So Hindus adopted some of the theologies of Jains and stopped eating beef. I feel if we can improve the "Quality" of Islamic education in Bangladesh , it will make our country a better place to live. fortunately there are some bright people who are working hard in educating people about authentic teachings of Islam and hopefully positively impact our country. Shalom! -----Original Message----- From: Jiten Roy < jnrsr53@yahoo.com > To: mukto-mona < mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 7:45 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: Child Abuse under Islamic cover : Fire of hell is hotter .......

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RE: [ALOCHONA] RE: [mukto-mona] RE: Child Abuse under Islamic cover : Fire of hell is hotter .......

Shah Deedar you are simplistic. These Madrasah graduates kept the Masjids running, the morals of the nation safe to the extent possible.Madrasas produced many political leaders like Akram Khan, Maulana Abul Kalam Azad., Mufti Mahmud, Moulana Atahar Ali in the past.

 

Many others who graduated from universities had initial education Madrasas.Even now about one third of the students get education in Dakhil Madrasas and then to the universities and they are better in education and conduct on balance in most cases.

The Madrasa stream is not harming national development. It is assisting by producing relatively more disciplined citizens.

Shah Abdul Hannan

 

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From: alochona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:alochona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shah Deeldar
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:41 PM
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com; 'mukto-mona'
Cc: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] RE: [mukto-mona] RE: Child Abuse under Islamic cover : Fire of hell is hotter .......

 

 

I think she is right. Tell me one good thing that was created by Madrassa education except learning something that has no value in modern life. What change did that education brought to Islamic countries? What invention did we make in last five hundred years? It is the modern knowledge cultivated by others serving us with all kinds of products and gizmos. We have become only buyers of manufactured goods and not creators of any damn thing except chanting God is great? And, how long can this go on?

-SD   

 

"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

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From: S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com; 'mukto-mona' <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:00 PM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] RE: [mukto-mona] RE: Child Abuse under Islamic cover : Fire of hell is hotter .......

 

 

This is Farida Majid at her best. She wants banning of all Madrasas.What an extreme statement. No comment is needed .

 

Her Islam which she parades sometimes is a queer thing. She understands Islam more than all Ulama and other Islamic scholars.

Shah Abdul Hannan

 

---

From: alochona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:alochona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Farida Majid
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 10:08 PM
To: mukto-mona
Subject: [ALOCHONA] RE: [mukto-mona] RE: Child Abuse under Islamic cover : Fire of hell is hotter .......

 

 

         Mr. Q Rahman gives us great wisdom from his 'religious' knowledge almost every time he posts. At some point one would thin that he is striving to be the greatest proselytizer of Islam.  My question is: Did he acquire all this vast knowledge from Madrassah education that he received in the past? Does Mr. Rahman himself,  or his sisters, brothers, cousins, friends and relatives send their children to Madrassahs for "authentic teachings of Islam"?

      Unless the honest answer to the question is an unqualified YES Mr. Q Rahman is resorting to a false, malicious propaganda. The fact on the ground level is that for the benefit of future generations of Muslims in the subcontinent

            Madrassahs should be BANNED from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh .

             The traditional 'moktob' on Fridays that give 'ampara' lessons to little boys and girls at the local mosques in the village have been sufficient religious education for centuries.  In the cities parents can send their children to a weekend 'diniyat' school or something to pick up skills to read the Qur'an.  Parents can provide the needed religious education for their children (just as Mr. Rahman's parents did) without thousands and thousands and thousands of Madrassahs all over the country. The Muslims of Bangladesh are 'naturally' better quality Muslims than their berathars and sisters in the Kingdom of Jahiliya (otherwise known as Saudi Arabia ).

               There should be proper Religious Seminaries or especial Madrassahs where Imams and Khadems of mosques should receive their education.

               If you cannot see the politics behind the establishment of these educationally backward,  harmful and useless madrassahs then you ARE part of the propaganda. This has nothing to do with religion.

---

To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: subimal@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 11:45:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: Child Abuse under Islamic cover : Fire of hell is hotter .......

1. I will use the word "karma" as a religious or philosophical concept. The said word has very deep meanings.

 

2. Atheists (example, the Stalin era in the USSR ) may have agenda that can prompt them to kill and torture. I hope I have properly understood the meaning of the statement "Without communal agenda, atheists have no reason to abandon good karmas". Killings and torture by many "religious" dictators (example, Saddam) were or are not communally motivated. The holocausts that descended on the Jews (WW II) and Hindus (1971) were mostly communal in nature. In these two cases Hitler and Yahiya Khan were the villains.   

 

3. Hatred, discrimination, persecution, and killing are rooted in scriptures. It depends on the ruler how he interprets and implements it. AL (I prefer using AL to BAL--it is my problem, Mr. Rahaman, as the sense of sin is in my mind as I am prejudiced with the word BAL) gave us a great constitution although there was hardly any atheists in that party. Nazibullah and Mollah Omar had diametrically opposite agenda---the former one's being far more progressive and humanitarian than that of the latter's. Even a Taliban member who fought against Soviet ocuupation does not want Taliban to come back to power with the same agenda (closing girls' school for example). 

 

4. In my judgement (following Campbell ), both Islam and Hinduism originally were tribal in nature. Although the rituals have mostly remained triabal in nature (comparatively more dominating in Hinduism), both the religions are getting more and more universal. Given the multi-cultural, multi-racial, and multi-religious interactive and interdependent pluralistic societies, there is no way out. Isolated and closed societies are suicidal.

 

5. I do not believe in divine authorities. Every thing we see in scriptures are man made and were captured in the minds and hearts of the sages. Since they are man made and hence are bound to be time- and place-specific, only man is legitimately entitled to challenge, modify, and update them. I always emphasize on the word "reinterpretation". I find the concept of "reincarnation" or "Avatar" interesting and instructive. If we are afraid to challenge, reinterpret, and update, we are doomed to live a life that is not "modern". The concept of "Avatar" guarantees the progress of the society as you do not get stuck to a particular Avatar and successive Avatrs are supposed to be more and more progressive. 

 

6. It does not matter when eating beef was forbidden, it is still a fact that to a practicing Hindu, the cow is sacred and eating beef is against his religion. I have seen many Hindus not following this religious edict thanks to the freedom and rationality that they use to break the barrier to enjoy the cheap resources of the world a little bit more. Christians in general are more open in this matter.

 

7. I am aware that Mr. Rahman is not advocation for implementing Islamic rule in Bangladeh. But I wnt to emphasize that I am dead against the so called "Islamic" rule in Bangladesh . I like 1972 constitution which has already been raped several times. I believe in the principle of "separation of the church from the state". Even I do not buy the idea that a state ( Bangladesh ) get pro-actively involved with an international organization (OIC) in declaring a city (Dhaka) as the capital (Dhaka) of a particular religious (Islamic) culture of a continent ( Asia ) for a particular year (1212). I am not aware of the terms of reference that Bangladesh will have to follow in case of capital of Islamic culture matter. In my opinion it should kept private and not a state affair. It should however be allright for the PM who happens to be the head of the government of a Muslim majority country to become the chief guest in any occasion related to this. But what can we do? Our dependence on the Islamic countries is still unlimited.

 

8. I fully agree that the improvemnt in quality of Islamic education will minimize the unhappy incidences like the one that has recently happened in a madrasa. Even a several decades ago Greek philosophies used to be taught in the madrasas of the subcontinent. I am not sure what they have now in the curriculum. Our governments have neither commitments nor resources to improve the system. They do not have the courage either to undertake such a program.         

 

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: Child Abuse under Islamic cover : Fire of hell is hotter .......

the, ists, without communal agenda, have no reason to abandon good-karmas. Also, in my view, there is another class of people who serve God through good-deeds only, devoid of any religious ideology have no incentive to deviate from their good-karmas.

 

>>>>>>>>>> I am sure disorder in Bangladesh bothers you enough to write about it. It is the same for me. However some of your assumptions are probably based on observation not based on teachings of religion. Rightly you pointed out that without communal agenda, atheists have no reason to abandon good-karmas.

Guess you "Assumed" that religion dictates us to work against people of other faiths and no faiths. Judging by some so called religious parties I cannot blame you for such assumptions but that is NOT what Islam (As a Muslim I just want to talk about Islam in my post) is all about. Unlike most prominent faiths, Islam does have a Global outlook. The criminal laws are mostly same for people of all faiths. It does not favor Muslims over non-Muslims. In civil cases there are differences (Like laws of inheritance). The main problem is so called religious parties often focus on laws that favors their own ideologies (Frequently it has a magical relationship with going to power and grow influence in politics). Muslims cannot pick and chose laws of Allah (SWT). They should try their level best to practice as much as possible. Which includes respecting "Rights" (Haq) of other people. Islamic "Communal agendas" is mainly talking about one God (Not forcing others to this ideology but TALKING about), establish rights of all people, secure peace for the mass. As I mentioned in a recent post BAL was flexible about it's socialist agenda and it helped our country in a big way. We cannot be slaves of "Processes" only, we have to ensure we are following processes properly. For most Muslims in Bangladesh , we are largely "Tradition bound" not religion bound. Guess you can say the same about Hindus as well. As one Hindu scholar mentioned, there is nothing in scriptures of "Sanatana Dharma" prohibiting it's followers from consuming beef but it was a popular movement to "Respond" to Jainism. So Hindus adopted some of the theologies of Jains and stopped eating beef. I feel if we can improve the "Quality" of Islamic education in Bangladesh , it will make our country a better place to live. fortunately there are some bright people who are working hard in educating people about authentic teachings of Islam and hopefully positively impact our country. Shalom! -----Original Message----- From: Jiten Roy < jnrsr53@yahoo.com > To: mukto-mona < mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 7:45 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: Child Abuse under Islamic cover : Fire of hell is hotter .......

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[ALOCHONA] Indians attack Bangladesh enclaves

Indians attack Bangladesh enclaves



http://www.bbc.co.uk/bengali/news/2012/05/120517_mhbdenclave.shtml

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[ALOCHONA] Partners unwilling to share AL's failures

In the same boat, with frustration

Ignored AL partners unwilling to share AL's failures

Shakhawat Liton and Rashidul Hasan Upset at the Awami League's
unilateral decisions on crucial issues, the other components of the
AL-led ruling alliance are unwilling to take the blame for the
government's failure on different fronts.

Senior leaders of the other components have already started
criticising the government for its controversial decisions and failure
in tackling some issues. The government may face more flak from them
in the coming days if the ruling party does not change its attitude,
say the leaders.

The picture at the grassroots level is grimmer than that in the
centre. Grassroots leaders of the combine's key components -- Jatiya
Party, Workers Party and Jatiya Samajtantrik Dal -- are irate over
what they say is big-brother attitude of local AL leaders.

Leaders of the components are now having discussions to find ways to
overcome the situation.

Talking to The Daily Star, they observed that the situation would have
been different had the AL worked together with its partners.

Jatiya Party and Workers Party recently held meetings to discuss the
overall situation and find ways to lessen grievances of their
grassroots leaders. Both the parties will sit soon to discuss the
issue, said sources.

Jatiya Samajtantrik Dal leaders said they would soon have discussions
on the issue.

"Awami League is running the government on its own though the
government was formed following the grand alliance's landslide victory
in the last parliamentary polls," said Jatiya Party Chairman HM
Ershad.

"Since we are in the alliance, we cannot avoid the responsibility for
the government's failure. We are criticising the government for its
failure and controversial activities and will continue to do so to
keep our stance clear to people."

Ershad said his party had decided to quit the grand alliance and
contest the next parliamentary polls on its own. "But we are yet to
decide on a date for quitting the alliance."

Jatiya Party Secretary General Ruhul Amin Hawlader said, "We will soon
hold a joint meeting of the party's senior and grassroots leaders to
work out ways to address the issue of local AL leaders' big-brother
attitude."

Before the 2008 parliamentary polls, the AL-led grand alliance pledged
to work in unison for good governance and a strong democracy. But
since the government's formation on January 6, 2009, Awami League has
seldom consulted with its partners before making any decision.

Top alliance leaders sat together occasionally and discussed very
little in the last three-odd years. The combine has so far largely
failed to monitor whether the cabinet is functioning in conformity
with its electoral pledges.

AL Joint General Secretary Mahbubul Alam Hanif, however, claims it is
the grand alliance, not the AL, which is running the government.

He said a Jatiya Party leader is in the cabinet. Besides, the chiefs
of Workers Party and Jatiya Samajtantrik Dal were made chairmen of two
parliamentary standing committees. They can put forward suggestions to
the government through the committees.

"The government is run in consultation with all," said Hanif, also
special assistant to Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina.

It would be improper if any alliance member adopts a political
strategy to shirk the responsibility for the government's actions, he
said.

Hanif said the component leaders might not have been informed about
some matters. "But senior leaders of the alliance can discuss all
issues at the combine's meeting."

He, however, did not specify any date for the next alliance meeting.

Workers Party Chief Rashed Khan Menon said the AL did not discuss with
its partners crucial issues like the opposition's agitations and the
disappearance of BNP leader Ilias Ali.

"Awami League's go-alone policy will not bring any good. We will speak
about it in alliance meetings," Menon said.

He said the government can at least inform the alliance components
about its activities. "Why will we take responsibilities for the
things we are not aware of?" asked Menon.

Shah Jikrul Ahmed, lawmaker of Jatiya Samajtantrik Dal, said they
cannot take the blame for the government's failure to check secret
killings and forced disappearances, since the ruling party never
consults with its partners on how to deal with the issues.

He said a liaison committee headed by Deputy Leader of the House Syeda
Sajeda Chowdhury was formed to strengthen ties between the AL and the
other components. "But not a single meeting was held since its
formation several months ago," Jikrul said.

"We will sit soon and ask senior Awami League leaders to hold a
meeting of the alliance soon."

Workers Party lawmaker Fazle Hossain Badsha said the AL runs the
government on its own. "So, why should we take the responsibility for
the government's failure?" he asked.

Badsha said his party's grassroots leaders cannot work freely for
local AL leaders' undue interference in all matters. "It shows that
the components of the grand alliance cannot work together. It is a
major failure."

Jatiya Party lawmaker Hafizuddin Ahmed echoed Badsha's view.

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From: shadhin Bangla <shadhin071@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2012, 4:43
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: SAJEEB WAZED , THE FUTURE LEADER !!!!!!

 

I am sorry to say...but 

Sajeb Wajed Joy is one of the most corrupt person even though he is not in Bangladesh. 

The information you see in the news are done by Paid Journalists who does nothing but playing song for them.

Most of the VOIP business in Bangladesh are being controlled by him and by doing that he is pocketing in millions of dollars. With his leaning towards the SUMMIT Corporation and its corrupt minister MR. Faruk Khan (10%) is ruining the economy and siphoning hard earned currency of Bangladesh. 

Ask anyone in Bangladesh and they will tell you the real story (if they are courageous, as the government is harassing anyone and any public with it FASCIST attitudes). 

Thank you.

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:17 AM, ezajur <Ezajur@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

You have prejudged him because you want him and assumed he will be leader using that old Bongu village talk... "time will tell".

Like other hypocrites and shubidabadees you hide yourself and pretend to be neutral.

Mr Wazed indeed. More like Sugar Dadddy.

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Shah Deeldar" <shahdeeldar@...> wrote:
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>
> I am not going to prejudge Mr. Wazed. Only time will tell how good leader he would be. On paper, this man has better quality than whole BNP mafia and its two princes.
> -SD
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Muhammad Ali <manik195709@> wrote:
> >
> > Sajeeb A. Wazed Joy on ITC Programme 2012; The Asian Century : Securing the Global Promise.
> > by Sajeeb Wazed Joy on Sunday, March 18, 2012 at 10:40am ·
> > "Bangladesh is a classic text book case study of how dynasties can be a curse or a boon. We have two political dynasties in our country, one was started
> > by my family, and the other was founded by our first military dictator
> > who took power by force. A bad leader confers the same bad traits to
> > his dynasty."
> > Sajeeb Ahmed Wazed, special speaker in the session of "SOUTH ASIA BRAINSTORM: Is Dynasty a Burden or Boon?" [March 17, 2012].
> >  
> > India Today Conclave, a concern of India Today group has been organizing
> > programmes since 2002 focusing on different issues of Asia, especially
> > South Asia. Among other noted speakers Mr. Sajeeb Wazed represented
> > Bangladesh as speaker of Programme 2012. India Today Conclave’ has
> > become one of the most prestigious congregation of the high profile
> > personalities all over the world. People like Al Gore, Sara Palin, Dalai Lama, Dr. Mammohon Sing participated in ‘India Today Conclave’.
> >  
> > Sajeeb Wazed
> > Source : India Today Conclave
> > Making a rare public appearance, Bangladesh's Sajeeb Wazed, Special Adviser to Awami League traced his entry into politics by citing the absolute
> > chaos in his country post the 2001 elections which compelled him to
> > return from the United States to draw attention to the wave of
> > atrocities being perpetuated by the opposition party, the Bangladesh
> > National Party.
> >  
> > Sajeeb Wazed is an information
> > technology expert based in Washington, DC. He has worked in the industry for over a decade. This includes a start-up company in Silicon Valley
> > that he co-founded that raised over $8 million in venture capital.
> > Presently, he has his own consulting practice in the Washington area
> > with clients that have included the World Bank. He is the architect of
> > the ‘Digital Bangladesh’ plan that is one of the key manifestos of the
> > present government of Bangladesh.
> >  
> > Outside of
> > his professional life, he has also played a supporting role in
> > Bangladeshi politics. Son of Sheikh Hasina Wazed, the current prime
> > minister of Bangladesh, and grandson of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, the first president of Bangladesh, Mr Wazed has been responsible for managing the country’s relations with the US and lobbying there. He was actively
> > involved in the campaign to stop the then government of Bangladesh from
> > holding a rigged election in 2007. After the subsequent military
> > takeover, he was a key player in restoring democracy to Bangladesh.
> >  
> > He has a bachelor’s degree in physics, mathematics and computer science
> > from Bangalore University, a bachelor’s degree in computer engineering
> > from the University of Texas and a master’s in public administration
> > degree from the Harvard Kennedy School. He has been named as one of 250
> > Young Global Leaders by the World Economic Forum.
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> > * 10 people like this.
> > * * Sheikh Mahfuzur Rahman we(Bangladesh) need your-self.
> > March 19 at 2:27am · Like
> > * Akramur Nipun Joy vai/rangpur a asla 01754882525 A call diben
> > March 23 at 4:43pm · Like
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> > April 20 at 9:55am via mobile · Like
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> >
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[ALOCHONA] France Sentences Scientist Connected to al Qaeda Plot

You have wasted your 30 years in U.K. without even learning English?
Kid, learn English. The Culprit has been 'sentenced' 5 years in Jail. Sentencing comes after Trial, not after arrest.
You are a Punjabi. What the hell are you doing on this Forum of Bengalis, JehaaDi Mollaa living off Charity of U.K. using a fake ID?

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Shaikh Mohommad" <shaikh.mohommad@...> wrote:
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> The arrest of a person indicates that the person is guilty. We do not
> wait for trial.
>
> Fantastic logic. of Turkman
>
> Shaikh Mohommad
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: S Turkman
> Sent: 05/16/12 02:22 AM
> To: World_Today@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [U-S-A] France Sentences Scientist Connected to al Qaeda Plot
>
> Adlene Hicheur (a fake Christian Name?), a Nuclear Particle Physicist employed at the prestigious CERN Laboratory, was arrested in 2009 after Police intercepted his emails to a contact in al Qaeda, which suggested the Algeria-born Scientist was willing to be part of an active Terrorist Unit attacking targets in France.
> (This is another inconvenient example that contradicts the legend perpetuated by some Western politically correct idiots that only poor and uneducated Muslims participate in Islamic terrorism)
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[mukto-mona] Re: FW: 9/11 ANALYSIS: From Ronald Reagan to George W Bush

"The theory of USA's fighting godlessness seems to be absurd."
I do not think that is what Mr. Roy meant to say. US was no God friendlier than Soviets in those days. It was cold war time and Soviet Russia was not a good friend of US. It just wanted Russia to bleed and die from the defeat. It just employed enemy's enemy to destroy a mortal enemy. Besides, a mujahedin's life was cheaper than a loaf of bread.

Historically, this is an old but great strategy to take on your opponent!
-SD

--- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@...> wrote:
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> 1. The theory of USA's fighting godlessness seems to be absurd. Reasons for the fight were more deep rooted.
> 2. Unless we get rid of our mental and intellectual inertia in the way we read history, our analysis and conclusions are doomed to be misleading. We need to be open minded to the emerging evidences based on research and unclassified documents seeing the light of the day.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 15, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@...> wrote:
>
> > Yes, USA supported fundamentalists, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Mujahedin, etc. to counter godless communist invasion in Afghanistan and elsewhere in the world. There was no better way to fight communism than to promote and recruit religious fundamentalists throughout the world to fight cold war. The fundamentalists were extremely motivated suicidal warriors, and they were already fighting against Soviet invasion. They could not gain foothold against sophisticated Russian Army. Therefore, all USA had to do is - train them and help them with arms and ammunitions. That’s exactly what USA did there. USA just made use of well motivated ready-made fighters against Soviet Army. Therefore, it will be wrong to say that USA created Taliban and Al-Qaeda. USA did not create them - they were there long before Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. USA just used them.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cold war is over, and the usefulness of religious fundamentalists for USA has ended. Now, Russia and China have found them useful, and they are using them against USA whenever they can. In both situations, religious fundamentalists are the sacrificial lambs, and they are not aware of it. They are too blinded by their religious faith to see these phenomena.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jiten Roy
> >
> > --- On Tue, 5/15/12, Farida Majid <farida_majid@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@...>
> > Subject: [mukto-mona] FW: 9/11 ANALYSIS: From Ronald Reagan to George W Bush
> > To:
> > Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 3:49 PM
> >
> >
> > Please read this and try to understand why, with what force secular, progressive Muslim voices have been gagged in the subcontinent. In the War of aggression in 1971 which ended with the birth of Bangladesh USA aided the aggressor Pakistani Military with arms and finance. This should also explain why Jamaat and its honcho war criminals of 1971 have been dominating Bangladeshi politics for the last 36 years.
> > From time to time I have been writing about these USA/CIA and Islamic fundamentalism alliance for last two decades. My article, "Law, Literature and Islam" (in Law and Literature Perspectives, ed. Bruce Rockwood, Peter Lang 1996, 2006) delves into the Salman Rushdie Affair and touches upon some of the points (such as the Iran-Contra scheme during Reagan administration) highlighted by Michel Chossudovky here.
> >
> > Farida Majid
> >
> > To:
> >
> > Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:46:26 +0600
> > Subject: 9/11 ANALYSIS: From Ronald Reagan to George W Bush
> >
> >
> >
> > 9/11 ANALYSIS: From Ronald Reagan to George W Bush
> >
> > by Michel Chossudovsky
> >
> > This article summarizes earlier writings by the author on 9/11 and the role of Al Qaeda in US foreign policy. For further details see Michel Chossudovsky, America's "War on Terrorism", Global Research, 2005
> >
> > "The United States spent millions of dollars to supply Afghan schoolchildren with textbooks filled with violent images and militant Islamic teachings....The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books,..", (Washington Post, 23 March 2002)
> >
> > "Advertisements, paid for from CIA funds, were placed in newspapers and newsletters around the world offering inducements and motivations to join the [Islamic] Jihad." (Pervez Hoodbhoy, Peace Research, 1 May 2005)
> >
> > "Bin Laden recruited 4,000 volunteers from his own country and developed close relations with the most radical mujahideen leaders. He also worked closely with the CIA, ... Since September 11, [2001] CIA officials have been claiming they had no direct link to bin Laden." (Phil Gasper, International Socialist Review, November-December 2001)
> >
> > Highlights
> >
> > -Osama bin Laden, America's bogyman, was recruited by the CIA in 1979 at the very outset of the US sponsored jihad. He was 22 years old and was trained in a CIA sponsored guerilla training camp.
> >
> > -The architects of the covert operation in support of "Islamic fundamentalism" launched during the Reagan presidency played a key role in launching the "Global War on Terrorism" in the wake of 9/11.
> >
> > - President Ronald Reagan met the leaders of the Islamic Jihad at the White House in 1985
> >
> > -Under the Reagan adminstration, US foreign policy evolved towards the unconditional support and endorsement of the Islamic "freedom fighters". In today's World, the "freedom fighters" are labelled "Islamic terrorists".
> >
> > -In the Pashtun language, the word "Taliban" means "Students", or graduates of the madrasahs (places of learning or coranic schools) set up by the Wahhabi missions from Saudi Arabia, with the support of the CIA.
> >
> > -Education in Afghanistan in the years preceding the Soviet-Afghan war was largely secular. The US covert education destroyed secular education. The number of CIA sponsored religious schools (madrasahs) increased from 2,500 in 1980 to over 39,000.
> >
> >
> >
> > The Soviet-Afghan war was part of a CIA covert agenda initiated during the Carter administration, which consisted in actively supporting and financing the Islamic brigades, later known as Al Qaeda.
> >
> > The Pakistani military regime played from the outset in the late 1970s, a key role in the US sponsored military and intelligence operations in Afghanistan. In the post-Cold war era, this central role of Pakistan in US intelligence operations was extended to the broader Central Asia- Middle East region. From the outset of the Soviet Afghan war in 1979, Pakistan under military rule actively supported the Islamic brigades. In close liaison with the CIA, Pakistan's military intelligence, the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), became a powerful organization, a parallel government, wielding tremendous power and influence.
> >
> > America's covert war in Afghanistan, using Pakistan as a launch pad, was initiated during the Carter administration prior to the Soviet "invasion":
> > "According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahideen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention." (Former National Security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, Interview with Le Nouvel Observateur, 15-21 January 1998)
> > In the published memoirs of Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who held the position of deputy CIA Director at the height of the Soviet Afghan war, US intelligence was directly involved from the outset, prior to the Soviet invasion, in channeling aid to the Islamic brigades.
> >
> > With CIA backing and the funneling of massive amounts of U.S. military aid, the Pakistani ISI had developed into a "parallel structure wielding enormous power over all aspects of government". (Dipankar Banerjee, "Possible Connection of ISI With Drug Industry", India Abroad, 2 December 1994). The ISI had a staff composed of military and intelligence officers, bureaucrats, undercover agents and informers, estimated at 150,000. (Ibid)
> > Meanwhile, CIA operations had also reinforced the Pakistani military regime led by General Zia Ul Haq:
> > "Relations between the CIA and the ISI had grown increasingly warm following [General] Zia’s ouster of Bhutto and the advent of the military regime. … During most of the Afghan war, Pakistan was more aggressively anti-Soviet than even the United States. Soon after the Soviet military invaded Afghanistan in 1980, Zia [ul Haq] sent his ISI chief to destabilize the Soviet Central Asian states. The CIA only agreed to this plan in October 1984." (Ibid)
> > The ISI operating virtually as an affiliate of the CIA, played a central role in channeling support to Islamic paramilitary groups in Afghanistan and subsequently in the Muslim republics of the former Soviet Union.
> > Acting on behalf of the CIA, the ISI was also involved in the recruitment and training of the Mujahideen. In the ten year period from 1982 to 1992, some 35,000 Muslims from 43 Islamic countries were recruited to fight in the Afghan jihad. The madrassas in Pakistan, financed by Saudi charities, were also set up with US support with a view to "inculcating Islamic values". "The camps became virtual universities for future Islamic radicalism," (Ahmed Rashid, The Taliban). Guerilla training under CIA-ISI auspices included targeted assassinations and car bomb attacks.
> > "Weapons' shipments "were sent by the Pakistani army and the ISI to rebel camps in the North West Frontier Province near the Afghanistan border. The governor of the province is Lieutenant General Fazle Haq, who [according to Alfred McCoy] . allowed "hundreds of heroin refineries to set up in his province." Beginning around 1982, Pakistani army trucks carrying CIA weapons from Karachi often pick up heroin in Haq’s province and return loaded with heroin. They are protected from police search by ISI papers."(1982-1989: US Turns Blind Eye to BCCI and Pakistani Government Involvement in Heroin Trade See also McCoy, 2003, p. 477) .
> >
> > Front row, from left: Major Gen. Hamid Gul, director general of Pakistan's
> > Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI), Director of Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)
> > Willian Webster; Deputy Director for Operations Clair George; an ISI colonel; and senior CIA official,
> > Milt Bearden at a mujahedeen training camp in North-West Frontier Province of Pakistan in 1987.
> > (source RAWA)
> >
> > Osama Bin Laden
> > Osama bin Laden, America's bogyman, was recruited by the CIA in 1979 at the very outset of the US sponsored jihad. He was 22 years old and was trained in a CIA sponsored guerilla training camp.
> > During the Reagan administration, Osama, who belonged to the wealthy Saudi Bin Laden family was put in charge of raising money for the Islamic brigades. Numerous charities and foundations were created. The operation was coordinated by Saudi intelligence, headed by Prince Turki al-Faisal, in close liaison with the CIA. The money derived from the various charities were used to finance the recruitment of Mujahieen volunteers. Al Qaeda, the base in Arabic was a data bank of volunteers who had enlisted to fight in the Afghan jihad. That data base was initially held by Osama bin Laden.
> > The Reagan Administration supports "Islamic Fundamentalism"
> > Pakistan's ISI was used as a "go-between". CIA covert support to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan operated indirectly through the Pakistani ISI, --i.e. the CIA did not channel its support directly to the Mujahideen. In other words, for these covert operations to be "successful", Washington was careful not to reveal the ultimate objective of the "jihad", which consisted in destroying the Soviet Union.
> > In December 1984, the Sharia Law (Islamic jurisprudence) was established in Pakistan following a rigged referendum launched by President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq. Barely a few months later, in March 1985, President Ronald Reagan issued National Security Decision Directive 166 (NSDD 166), which authorized "stepped-up covert military aid to the Mujahideen" as well a support to religious indoctrination.
> > The imposition of The Sharia in Pakistan and the promotion of "radical Islam" was a deliberate US policy serving American geopolitical interests in South Asia, Central Asia and the Middle East. Many present-day "Islamic fundamentalist organizations" in the Middle East and Central Asia, were directly or indirectly the product of US covert support and financing, often channeled through foundations from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States. Missions from the Wahhabi sect of conservative Islam in Saudi Arabia were put in charge of running the CIA sponsored madrassas in Northern Pakistan.
> > U
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