[mukto-mona] 11-Year-Old Yemeni Girl Speaks, Internet Listens

11-Year-Old Yemeni Girl Speaks, Internet Listens

Posted: 07/21/2013 7:29 pm

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Women's Rights, Yemen, Al Arabiya, Developing World, Nada Al-Ahdal, Nujood Ali, Sophie Ghaziri, Child Marriage, Feminism, Girls, Reddit, World News

YouTube Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J7_TKgw1To

On Sunday morning, Reddit user Syd_G submitted a three-minute YouTube clip of 11-year-old Nada Al-Ahdal describing why she was running away from home to live with her uncle. According to a translation provided by subtitles (and more or less confirmed by several Reddit users), she starts off by saying:

It's true that I ran away from my family. I can't live with them anymore. Enough. I want to go live with my uncle. What about the innocence of childhood? What have the children done wrong? Why do you marry them off like that?

Four hours later, the video had been upvoted nearly 4,700 times (unusually high for Reddit) and began circulating in news stories across the world.

Details on the child's story are still unclear but her three-minute monologue on child marriage in Yemen is receiving rave reviews, and it's not hard to understand why: she speaks with excellent articulation and passion, and her eyes force the viewer not to break away from the screen.

Even if this was scripted as some have suggested, she is remarkably poised in describing her harrowing situation:

"I have managed to solve my problem, but some innocent children can't solve theirs, and they might die, commit suicide, or do whatever comes to mind."

Yemeni law holds that girls of any age are allowed to wed, and because of that, 52 percent of girls in Yemen are wed before the age of 18. However, the law also states that intercourse is prohibited until the child has reached puberty, a law that is ignored by many.

How generous of them.

In 2009, 10 year-old Nujood Ali successfully divorced after she was raped before the onset of puberty. Her case spurred action by the Supreme Council of Motherhood and Childhood, who proposed an age limit of 18 be set for marriage, which was knocked down to 17 when passed into law, and unfortunately, struck down the following day by parliamentary measures.

About Yemen, Sophie Ghaziri of Al Arabiya wrote in April, "Driven by poverty and a "traditional" way of thinking, girls under the age of eight can be seen in wedlock with children of their own by the time they hit puberty."

As Nada Al-Ahdal points out in her video, "There are many cases like that. Some children decided to throw themselves into the sea. They're dead, now."

This has long been a problem. Ghaziri highlights in her column that one in nine girls in the developing world will become child brides.

We can only hope that Nada's words will spur greater action by world leaders to halt the horrifying practice of child marriage and the human trafficking epidemic that feeds it.

 

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[mukto-mona] Mr. Rony MP, you have uttered very objectionable words and comments against your party leader, Minister and your party led government - I politely, but logically condemn it

We were protesting Rony's bad activities long time ago.

Please go through on of my old e-mail to Mr. Md Golam Maula Rony MP,

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Engr. Shafiq Bhuiyan <srbanunz@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:54 AM
Subject: You have uttered very objectionable words and comments against your party leader, Minister and your party led government - I politely, but logically condemn it
To: mdgolam.maularony@facebook.com

Mr. Md Golam Maula Rony MP,

 

Salam.

I have gone through your article in the daily BD Protidin and also watch your TV talk shows (randomly).

Have you watched yesterday's (19.06.2012) TRITIO MATRA in TV Channel-I on this current ROHINGA issue?

 

You have uttered very objectionable words and comments against your party Leaders-Minister and against policy of your party led government on current ROHINGA issue.

 

Which you cannot do it publicly, as far as I know. Before doing publicly (in media),

 

·         You should place them 1^st in your party's appropriate forum. If not satisfied,

 

·         Then as an MP you should place this in your party parliamentary board and if then also not satisfied,

 

·         You have to discuss these differences of opinion about policy of your party & yourself - with you party General Secretary, then Party Chief.

 

You should place them in black and white also.

 

You have uttered publicly (in media) very objectionable words and comments against your party Minister and leaders.

 

You have compared our migration to India in 1971 during our great liberation war and these repeated ROHINGA migrations (since 1962) to Bangladesh.

You also gave emphasis on religious point of view in this matter - in spite of very clear statement of our competent Foreign Minister Dr. Dipu Moni in the Parliament!

 

I politely, but logically protest your comments, as it was illogical and one sided only!

 

Onset I want remind you that Bangladesh is neither an Islamic country nor a Muslim country, rather we are secular nation and country!

 

Religious identity should not be pointed and placed in global political incidents/matters!

 

Did any Islamic or Muslim country come forward to help us (though we were 90% Muslim) in 1971?

 

Rather they supported and helped (in all respect) the notorious oppressor, NaPakistan who killed 30 lakh Bangalee and raped 2 to 3 lakh women and destroyed-looted our country!!

 

Our issue in 1971 and this ROHINGA issue are much different! Have ever thought these points,

 

We Bangalee also went to India after NaPaki crackdown on us, but:

 

·         We did not stayed in India for years after years (but these ROHINGAs are living in our country years after years)

 

·         We did not made any social-political problem for both India and Indians (but ROHINGAs are doing harm to Bangalee and Bangladesh)

 

·         We did not took part any political activities in India (but ROHINGAs are involved with local Bangalee Politics)

 

·         We had a noble cause and we had people mandate and we had a leader (ROHINGAs do not have any valid cause, rather this problem started by a nasty matter, raping a women)

 

·         We had a strong, effective and legitimate exile government (ROHINGAs do not have any such and they are not trying for that also)

 

·         We had still some 'free' area and land under our exile Government's control (but ROHINGAs do not have any such)

 

·         We fought against NaPaki army and their agents Razakar-Al Badar inside the NaPaki land and not involved in drug, Yabba smuggling and other crimes (But ROHINGAs are not fighting planned way against oppressor rather involved in different social crimes)

 

·         We defeated oppressors (NaPaki) in 9 months, in spite of non cooperation and also working against us - by most of the so called Muslim countries, super powers like USA, China, UK and others etc, except Russia and India and few other countries. (But ROHINGAs is not able to do it in last 30-40 years and we do not know when they will!)

 

So, our case is different than these ROHINGAs

 

So, do not be super 'manabotbadi', super neutral and do not say and write  against the principle and stand of your government and your party.

 

If you do not like or differ your party-government policy – which we are observing since long time

 

·         Then resign from the party and your party led government –

·         Then form a new party and try to establish your idea!

 

Do not try to make a tiny 'hut' inside a huge house!

 

 

I am waiting for your logical reply and I always welcome any rational discussion!

 

Joy Bangla,

 

"Sustha thakon, nirapade thakon ebong valo thakon"

Shuvechhante,

Engr. Shafiqur  Rahman Anu

Ex President of BUET BCL (1979-1981)

Ex Assistant Secretary BCL (Quader-Chunnu, 1980-1981)

Founder Convener & President of "Abahoni Samarthak Gosthi" in 1980 and 1981.

Founder President & Convener, "Bangabandhu Parishad", New Zealand, (1999 -2008)

 

Ex Assitant Enginner (Civil), PWD, Bangladesh

Ex Assets Engineer, City Council, New Zealand

 

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Re: [mukto-mona] FW: :: :: One Page from My-Diary :: :: :)*BLOW UP DADDY !*:) A HILARIOUS Article~Smiles for U all-:) ('DAWN')

"However there are some dedicated anti-religious hate mongers who spread false information about religion---"

Oho --oho! "Your mask"  fell off! 

Mr. QR, put it back and continue try to deceive by giving us the impression that "you are NOT a Fundamentalist or a PROBLEM of Islam". 

If you have difficulty understanding what I meant by this comment, please see my mail on June 22 ('We are always find reason--') and June 30 ( 'We must understand the very fact--). 

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 7:04 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 

There are hundreds of free thinkers in this forum. No one try to promote any "religious" agenda in this forum. Because, as I said , free thinking and religiosity  are diagonally opposite

>>>>>>>>>>> Most free thinkers are not the problem. However there are some dedicated anti-religious hate mongers who spread false information about religion. I simply share my views here and share correct information if that is necessary.

You are free to believe whatever you like, but "KEEP IT PERSONAL" and do not try to propagate it in this forum (muko-mona).

>>>>>>>>>> I do not lecture you in what to think and what to write here or anywhere. It is hypocritical of you to lecture others about what they should or should not do. That is what dictators do and communists do. I do not respect those type of people.

You are more than welcome to share your ideas and share your knowledge.

you would have no difficulty knowing how much you are brain washed by not knowing their "hypocrisy and biasses".

>>>>>>>> It appears you have some "Issues" with religion. Kindly be specific so we can be in your wave length. Otherwise general comments only share your bitterness about religion and nothing more.

There are idiots and hypocrites in every large group of humanity. Also there are lot of good people in them as well.

Shalom!

-----Original Message-----
From: Abul Azad <azad973@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Jul 20, 2013 11:08 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: :: :: One Page from My-Diary :: :: :)*BLOW UP DADDY !*:) A HILARIOUS Article~Smiles for U all-:) ('DAWN')

 

"You claimed to be an expert on Islam--"

Mr. Rahman, 

Let me refresh your memory about what I claimed:

1.  "your understanding of Islam is very primitive for the fact that the comment you make is very often argued by a stereotype sets of "words (that you mentioned)" in every mosques around the globe by al kinds of Clergies. If you really believe that "religion" is an essential part of your life, please try to learn it from the EARLIEST POSSIBLE SOURCES before it become contaminated by thousands of dedicated hands who tried to shape "Islam" according to their own way" - on June 23, 2013 mail.

2.  I "admit that you surely spent enough time with many scholars of Islam (on June 25 mail)"  -  BUT apparently never tried to verify their claims from earliest Islamic sources (evident by all of your comments). If you would, you would have no difficulty knowing how much you are brain washed by not knowing their "hypocrisy and biasses". 

You are free to believe whatever you like, but "KEEP IT PERSONAL" and do not try to propagate it in this forum (muko-mona).  Not only it will be a futile effort, but also people will be amazed knowing your  ignorance. As I said in the beginning of this discussion, " It is not the fundamentalist BUT the moderate (so called) is the problem of Islam". There are hundreds of free thinkers in this forum. No one try to promote any "religious" agenda in this forum. Because, as I said , free thinking and religiosity  are diagonally opposite

This is my last mail in this discussion.

Thanks a lot.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:46 PM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 

Open mind and religiosity? Are you kidding! 

>>>>>>  Nope.

religiosity (belief with no question /discourages asking question)  are diagonally opposite

>>>>>>>> You claimed to be an expert on Islam. Kindly read the Qurán and see how it asked the readers to verify it's claims. See how it gives examples from past nations, nature around us to make it easy for us to understand.

  It is an absolutely absurd notion.

>>>>>>>> Thanks for your OPINION. I do not see religion this way.

 "মনে-প্রাণে অপরের অনিষ্ট কামনা (প্রার্থনা ) করা"| আল্লাহর শক্তিমত্তার ধারা বিবরণীতে অন্যত্র মুহাম্মদ দাবী করেছেন, 'তিনি (আল্লাহ) যখন কোনো কিছু করতে ইচ্ছা করেন, তখন তাকে কেবল বলে দেন, 'হও' তখনই তা হয়ে যায় (৩৬:৮২)|' কুরানের এই বাণীটি বহুল প্রচলিত ও প্রচারিত, "কুন ফা ইয়া কুন"। ৩৬:৮২ সত্য হলে সৃষ্টিকর্তা কোনোভাবেই 'অভিশাপকারী' হতে পারেন না। কারণ, ইচ্ছা (Wish) করার সঙ্গে সঙ্গেই যদি ঘটনাটি ঘটে যায়, তখন তা হয় 'কর্ম' (Physical Act)| "ইচ্ছাশক্তি" সেখানে হাত-পা-মুখ-জিহ্বা ইত্যাদি শারীরিক অঙ্গ-প্রত্যঙ্গের মত প্রাত্যহিক কর্ম সম্পাদনের বাহন হিসাবে কাজ করে। সুতরাং সেক্ষেত্রে সংজ্ঞা অনুযায়ী 'ইচ্ছা" করার সঙ্গে সঙ্গেই সে ইচ্ছাটি 'কর্মে' পরিণত হবার কারণে "অনিষ্ট (অভিশাপ) কামনা নিয়ে অপেক্ষা" অসম্ভব, অবান্তর ও অপ্রয়োজনীয়! কারণ 'ইচ্ছা = কর্ম'।" --

>>>>>>>> OK. And the point you wanted to make IS???

Shalom!

-----Original Message-----
From: Abul Azad <azad973@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 19, 2013 11:15 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: :: :: One Page from My-Diary :: :: :)*BLOW UP DADDY !*:) A HILARIOUS Article~Smiles for U all-:) ('DAWN')

 

"It requires an open mind."

Open mind and religiosity? Are you kidding! 

Open mind (free thinking/thinker-always ask /encourage asking question ) and religiosity (belief with no question /discourages asking question)  are diagonally opposite. If any one claims that he/she is an open minded person as well as religious, what he/she basically saying is, "north pole and south pole of this earth are at the same point"!  It is an absolutely absurd notion.  You as a believer find spirituality even in "CURSING", whereas others (non-believer) find 'Creator's curse' is as an absurd proposition! For example, the author of the article I shared on July 4 described this issue in  chapter 11 and 12.

১. "অভিশাপ" বিষয়টি আসলে কী? সহজ উত্তর: "মনে-প্রাণে অপরের অনিষ্ট কামনা (প্রার্থনা ) করা"| আল্লাহর শক্তিমত্তার ধারা বিবরণীতে অন্যত্র মুহাম্মদ দাবী করেছেন, 'তিনি (আল্লাহ) যখন কোনো কিছু করতে ইচ্ছা করেন, তখন তাকে কেবল বলে দেন, 'হও' তখনই তা হয়ে যায় (৩৬:৮২)|' কুরানের এই বাণীটি বহুল প্রচলিত ও প্রচারিত, "কুন ফা ইয়া কুন"। ৩৬:৮২ সত্য হলে সৃষ্টিকর্তা কোনোভাবেই 'অভিশাপকারী' হতে পারেন না। কারণ, ইচ্ছা (Wish) করার সঙ্গে সঙ্গেই যদি ঘটনাটি ঘটে যায়, তখন তা হয় 'কর্ম' (Physical Act)| "ইচ্ছাশক্তি" সেখানে হাত-পা-মুখ-জিহ্বা ইত্যাদি শারীরিক অঙ্গ-প্রত্যঙ্গের মত প্রাত্যহিক কর্ম সম্পাদনের বাহন হিসাবে কাজ করে। সুতরাং সেক্ষেত্রে সংজ্ঞা অনুযায়ী 'ইচ্ছা" করার সঙ্গে সঙ্গেই সে ইচ্ছাটি 'কর্মে' পরিণত হবার কারণে "অনিষ্ট (অভিশাপ) কামনা নিয়ে অপেক্ষা" অসম্ভব, অবান্তর ও অপ্রয়োজনীয়! কারণ 'ইচ্ছা = কর্ম'।" --           - quote from ch 11 of his article - read for detail if you are intetersted.

 

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:26 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 

Mr, Rahman,

"ALL"  religious scripture  are spiritual  >  "ONLY" for the believers of that specific scripture.

>>>>>>>>>> Not exactly. Seekers of spirituality can find wisdom and spirituality in the Qurán. It requires an open mind.


You are right, "Quran is not an an exception!"


>>>>>> Yeah, the Qurán has many similarities with other revelations and many exceptions as well. That is why I call it unique.


Have a nice day.

Shalom!


-----Original Message-----
From: Abul Azad <azad973@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:24 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: :: :: One Page from My-Diary :: :: :)*BLOW UP DADDY !*:) A HILARIOUS Article~Smiles for U all-:) ('DAWN')

 

Mr, Rahman,

"ALL"  religious scripture  are spiritual  >  "ONLY" for the believers of that specific scripture. 

You are right, "Quran is not an an exception!"

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 6:08 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 

[Attachment(s) from QR included below]

Most believed that it was revealed about 3 yrs after Muhammad (SWS) started getting his revelation (613 CE). Problem with this notion is, "Is it possible that the 'ALMIGHTY' Creator curse someone  with such a strong word ('Perish' ) and he will live normal life for TEN additional years?"  

>>>>>>>>>>> Like the Bible, there are prophecies made by the holy Qurán. Sura Lahab was such a chapter where future of Abu Lahab was foretold.

It was a golden opportunity to Abu Lahab to prove the Qurán wrong. All he needed to do is to embrace Islam within next ten years but out of arrogance he did not do so. Abu Lahab was a leader but there were other leaders in his clan as well.

The Qurán is a spiritual book which is unique. 

So Abu Lahab's future was foretold in it. We have seen similar prophecies in the Bible as well. ( Please read the attached file)

If you have more questions, feel free to ask.


Shalom!



-----Original Message-----
From: Abul Azad <azad973@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Jul 13, 2013 6:30 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: :: :: One Page from My-Diary :: :: :)*BLOW UP DADDY !*:) A HILARIOUS Article~Smiles for U all-:) ('DAWN')

 

There is a disagreement among the earliest historians of Islam about "the timing" when Sura Lahab was revealed . Most believed that it was revealed about 3 yrs after Muhammad (SWS) started getting his revelation (613 CE). Problem with this notion is, "Is it possible that the 'ALMIGHTY' Creator curse someone  with such a strong word ('Perish' ) and he will live normal life for TEN additional years?"  

Many found it as an absurd notion. They believed that this sura was revealed sometime after the death of Abu Talib and Khadiza (3yrs before Hizrat) when Abu Lahab became the chief of Hashemi clan and  "WITHDREW" his clan PROTECTION for Muhammad.  

Muhammad enjoyed the protection of his Clan by the former chief (uncle) Abu Talib. 

 

On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

 

This idiot gives another stupid interpretation.  That 'revelation' came about when Abu Lahab, Prophet's uncle and former brother in law ( beyai), was killed during the raid of the caravan at Badr.  That idiot has not studied his religion as much as I did.  Such idiots may live in fool's heaven but are well despised by the learned members of this forum.

On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 6:46 PM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 

Keep Trying. ......

"Kamal Das is a certifide hate monger, who goes around and give out information without any references." - who certified me?

>>>>>>>> Anyone who read carefully know what I said.

Your idiocy knows no bounds.
There is no bad verses, eh!

>>>>>>>> YUP. But I am not forcing my opinion on you or badmouthing your faith. You do that like a desperate drowning man every week!!

A blind idiot like QR would see nothing.  Read for example, Sura CXI.  It says, " Perish the hands of Abu Lahab, and perish he!/  His wealth avails him not, neither what he has earned;/ he shall roast in a flaming fire/ and his wife, the carrier of the firewood,/ upon her neck a rope of palm fiber.??" - If Abu Lahab was such a cursed man, how did his sons marry the daughters of the "Holy Prophet"

>>>>>>>>>> Abu Lahab was prophet's (PBUH) uncle. The marriage took place before revelation came from Allah (SWT). There is nothing wrong with it.

The small Surah you mentioned was revealed ten years prior to Abu Lahab's death (Approx). It shows the spiritual power of the Qur'an. For being a consistent enemy of Islam, it was foretold, he will end up in hell and will not embrace Islam (Like most Arabs).

To prove the Qur'an false, all Abu Lahab required to do is to say, he became a Muslim by reciting the Shahada but his arrogance kept him away from Islam and proved the Qur'an's unique spiritual quality.


Maybe you ought to study the Qur'an for a change.

Shalom!

-----Original Message-----
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
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"Kamal Das is a certifide hate monger, who goes around and give out information without any references." - who certified me?  Your idiocy knows no bounds.
There is no bad verses, eh!  A blind idiot like QR would see nothing.  Read for example, Sura CXI.  It says, " Perish the hands of Abu Lahab, and perish he!/  His wealth avails him not, neither what he has earned;/ he shall roast in a flaming fire/ and his wife, the carrier of the firewood,/ upon her neck a rope of palm fiber.??" - If Abu Lahab was such a cursed man, how did his sons marry the daughters of the "Holy Prophet".


"There were plenty of times when I proved his lies." - convince your fellow members about it.  An ignoramus like you could never prove anything ever.

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:35 PM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 

It is apparent from your conversation that you, obviously, pick and choose good verses to follow; that's what probably 98% Muslims do as well. Thanks God, for that.

>>>>>>>>>>> There is no bad verses unless you do not have any idea about the context.

for example when late Ziaur Rahman announced independence from Pakistan, people knew it was a declaration of resistance. We had to fight. We did not have the luxury to exchange flowers or ramdan dates with fellow Pakistani (At that time it was one country) solders. So only very fanatic anti-Bangladeshi people can see that day in a negative light. Once we understand how Pak army was attempting to destroy our land and people, we can justify our resistance.

Similarly, the frequently discussed verse has context and can satisfy the most critical person when given the context.

I know my stance require a little knowledge of the Qur'an and a sense of fairness. Otherwise anyone can easily take Ramayana, Bible, Mahabharata etc and make it look ugly.

Prophet of Islam was a warrior; he introduced all those violent verses to direct his followers into the war.

>>>>>>>>>>> You may call him a reluctant warrior (If you must touch war). He took all sorts of abuse (Starvation, mocking, stone trowing, all kind of physical abuse you can imagine) for 13 long years and left his city searching for peace. However his love for his followers was always greater, so when Meccans attempted to destroy Medina (And his followers), he resisted.

In my view, those verses should not be considered as part of Islam, as they were introduced only to direct army at war.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing and I do understand where you coming from (not promoting war). However Islam claims to be a complete code of life. If you actually take time to study the verse and verses around it, you will see how wonderfully human right concerns were addressed. How Muslims always tried to avoid conflict. However if a war is imposed on us, we know how to conduct ourselves.

Unfortunately, those verses were also included in the Quran by its writers without much pretext.

>>>>>>>>> They are there.

Those verses are being used now by vested interest religious groups to direct their followers to fight opponents, which could be other Muslims as well.

>>>>>>>>> This has been a problem with people of all religion and people without religion. It has nothing to do with heavenly scriptures but has to do with people like us.

Every conflict against these groups is now a fight against Islam. Don't you think - those who think Islam should not be blamed for such fights should also demand expunging those violent verses from the religious scriptures?


>>>>>>>>>> It may look at this way to people who know little about Islam. However when I watch any conference of our freedom fighters (Mostly Muslims) they do not have such issues. Most of them are practicing Muslims and proud of their contribution in our war of liberation. Because as per scripture, if someone attack our existance, God approves us to resist to protect our lives, families, businesses and faith.

When someone denies or ignores the existence of offensive verses in the scripture, he/she commits deceitful acts.

>>>>>>>>> I do not call them offensive verses but verses with instruction about warfare (Mostly chapter 8 and 9).

Thanks God, we have people like Kamal Das and Abul Azad in this forum to illuminate us with knowledge to dispel endless propaganda and misinformation in the forum.


>>>>>>>>>> Kamal Das is a certifide hate monger, who goes around and give out information without any references. Abul Azad is new, so I'll wait a bit longer to see how he operates. If you chose to get your information from the likes of Kamal Das, you will not understand Islam.

There were plenty of times when I proved his lies but you can take a horse to water, you cannot force it to drink!  

Shalom!

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When a religious scripture instructs soldiers to kill infidel civilian, especially young men, and take all women as the war booty after conquering a region –

>>>>>>>> first, kindly be specific which verse you are talking about. ALSO kindly read one or two verses around it. I can clearly say, ISLAM does NOT support punishing innocent civilians of any faith."

We have discussed those offensive verses ( such as lay wait for infidels to smite their head off, etc., etc.) before, and, I remember, you argued that those verses were written at the time of war, so they should be judged with proper perspectives. I agree. I am just saying those verses do exist, and there are millions of Muslims who do not care to interpret them with proper context as well; they want to use them solely for politics. And, we can't do anything about it. 

 

It is apparent from your conversation that you, obviously, pick and choose good verses to follow; that's what probably 98% Muslims do as well. Thanks God, for that.

 

Prophet of Islam was a warrior; he introduced all those violent verses to direct his followers into the war. In my view, those verses should not be considered as part of Islam, as they were introduced only to direct army at war. Unfortunately, those verses were also included in the Quran by its writers without much pretext. Those verses are being used now by vested interest religious groups to direct their followers to fight opponents, which could be other Muslims as well. Every conflict against these groups is now a fight against Islam. Don't you think - those who think Islam should not be blamed for such fights should also demand expunging those violent verses from the religious scriptures? 

 

When someone denies or ignores the existence of offensive verses in the scripture, he/she commits deceitful acts. Your reasoning and understanding fall into the level of a simple minded uneducated person, which you are not, obviously. I expect more openness and truthfulness in people, like you. Thanks God, we have people like Kamal Das and Abul Azad in this forum to illuminate us with knowledge to dispel endless propaganda and misinformation in the forum.

 

Jiten Roy

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From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
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Q. Rahman believes there is nothing wrong in the religious scriptures. To which I say - there are many wrong instructions in all scriptures.

>>>>>>>>>> Right or wrong depends on perspective. Some parts of religion has to be taken as belief. Other parts can be verified and criticized (If needed). It is only natural you and I have some differences of opinions.

Many of those wrong instructions have been expunged from all other religions, but Islam.


>>>>>>>>>> It will be helpful if you can be specific. My faith make sense to me and I feel no compulsion to attack other religions.

When a religious scripture instructs soldiers to kill infidel civilian, especially young men, and take all women as the war booty after conquering a region –

>>>>>>>> first, kindly be specific which verse you are talking about. ALSO kindly read one or two verses around it. I can clearly say, ISLAM does NOT support punishing innocent civilians of any faith.

that's a wrong instruction,I would say, no matter who gave it. No context or explanation is needed to find this out.

>>>>>>>>> It is always important to understand context. In a battle field when you are being attacked, you can defend yourself. If someone attack your family, you can defend yourself. However it is WRONG to attack innocent people for no good reason (Like the recent Iraq war).

We have seen such implementation in Bangladesh, and also in Afghanistan, when Taliban forces raided the area under the control of the Northern Alliance; Taliban initiated a mass rape there. 

>>>>>>>>>> There are many good qualities among Afghan people and there are some WRONG traditions among Afghans as well. A good example will be even 100 years ago they used to lend people money with usury/high interest attached to it. This is prohibited in Islam.

However I am not aware of mass rape. Kindly share the source of it. Since this is the first time I am hearing of this allegation.

This practice is mostly seen in the Muslim army.

>>>>>>>>>>> Actually it is seen in all army. Since you have a "Beef" against Muslims, you misquote this here. Starting from the first Gulf war (Going on recent wars) the crusade was mentioned by US army. The six day war by Israel was mentioned by the army chief.

Even a needless war in Iraq seen many example of it.

Shalom!
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Q. Rahman believes there is nothing wrong in the religious scriptures. To which I say - there are many wrong instructions in all scriptures. Many of those wrong instructions have been expunged from all other religions, but Islam.

When a religious scripture instructs soldiers to kill infidel civilian, especially young men, and take all women as the war booty after conquering a region – that's a wrong instruction,I would say, no matter who gave it. No context or explanation is needed to find this out.

Many Muslim soldiers still believe in this instruction, and they try to implement it in the warfare, even in a war between two Muslim regions. We have seen such implementation in Bangladesh, and also in Afghanistan, when Taliban forces raided the area under the control of the Northern Alliance; Taliban initiated a mass rape there.  The conquerors usually legitimize the scriptural instruction by declaring captured civilians as against Islam or infidels. This practice is mostly seen in the Muslim army.

 

Jiten Roy

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From: Abul Azad <azad973@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
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"Muhammd won in the short run, but in the long run the Umayyads slaughtered his descendants---"

 >>> You are absolutely right!

Fatima died about 6months after the death of her father. He had lot of mental sufferings after  Muhammd's death,  inflicted by fellow Muslims. Within 10 days of the death of Muhammad, 'Fadak' was confiscated by 1st Caliph Abu Bakar from Fatima /Ali.  Though Mohammad himself gifted it to his daughter. Muhammad owned it as "BOOTY" from the Jews of Khayber.  Abu Bakr even did not give her chance to dry her "tears" after her father's death!

Ali did not get power till 656 CE, a long 24 yrs after the death of Muhammad!   As soon as he got in power, the 1^st civil war (Fitna) between Muslims started. He had the 1^st war with Ayesha (mother in law).   During his reign (656-661) he had the following wars:

1. Battle of the Camel (between Ali and Ayesha)  - December, 656 CE
2. Battle of Siffin  (between Ali and Muwabiya Ibne Abu Sufyan) – July, 657 C ( Kharijites break away from Ali)
3.  Battle of Nahrawan (Kharijites defeated by Ali)  - 658 C
4. Conquest of Egypt – 659 CE 

Ali was brutally murdered (by a poisonous dragger) by one of the Kharijii on Januarry 661 CE.  His elder son Hasan was brutally murdered by poison (conspiracy of Muawiya Ibne Abu Sufian) in 670 CE. His 2^nd son Hussian Ibne Ali was brutally murdred by soldiers of Yazid bin Muawiya bin Abu Sufian in the battle of Karbala on October 680 CE.  

 Within 48 years of death of Prophet Muhammad, all of his able adult male immediate family members were brutally killed by fellow Muslims.

       

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

 

No in depth analysis is required to understand the events of the prophet hood of Muhammad.  Prior to the claim of meeting the archangel Gabriel, Muhammad was trained by a Nestorian Monk named Sergius/Bahira on religious stories.  After such claim, in course of over ten years, he got the loyalty of not more than seventy followers from a community of over five thousand.  Even that loyalty was bought out with wealth from different sources, e.g., those of Khadija and Uthman among others.  The verses revealed in Mecca were futile effort to earn recognition.  Then he migrated to Medina where he successfully used the Christians against the Jews, looted the caravans and Jewish enclaves, and collected enough wealth to hire mercenaries for his Mecca expedition.  After 'conquering' his dreamland Mecca, he was not sure of security to live in that place and preferred to live in Medina.  Ultimately he probably got killed by his wives, Ayesha and Hafsa, as the Shiite believe. 

Islam was the result of a tribal feud between the Umayyad and the Hashemite community.  Muhammd won in the short run, but in the long run the Umayyads slaughtered his descendants.  Not even his beloved daughter, Fatima, was spared.  A few months after the death of Muhammad, Fatima was burnt down with the house she lived in by the thugs who were close associates of the Prophet.

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Abul Azad <azad973@gmail.com> wrote:

 

"---which in the eyes of non-believers like the Quraish community was nothing more than a bunch of "rantings of a deranged mind"

>>> One may look at chapter 17, 18 and 19 of this article.

http://www.dhormockery.com/2013/01/blog-post_2450.html

http://www.dhormockery.net/2013/01/blog-post_7880.html

 

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

 

This incorrigible fool, QR, does not know that the concept of nation/state grew after the French Revolution.  Earlier, a nation was properly described as kingdom. Supernatural power had to be invoked to ensure the legitimacy of the rulers.  The Prophet of Islam did not care much about his disciples forming a nation after his death.  It is well known that he did nothing to compile and preserve the holy revelations which in the eyes of non-believers like the Quraish community was nothing more than a bunch of "rantings of a deranged mind".  The quote was taken from the preface of "Muhammad and the Qur'an" - Rafiq Zakaria (p. x, l.12).

On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 8:09 PM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 

Member Abul,

Any credible scholar of Islam knows batter of badr was defensive. The expulsion of Banu Qaynuqa was not a conflict but a result of treason they committed. As per treaty they should have received death penalty but the prophet gave them a lighter punishment. Later on when Banu qurayza did the same thing again, he allowed them to pick up a judge of their choice and they were punishment as per written agreement. Which is well known as the Medina Charter.

Looks like you are making up stuff as you go. Anyone who have some basic understanding of history will tell you that, you are manufacturing fiction here.

Campaign/Treaty of Hudaybiya

>>>>>>> Bunch of Muslims were going for pilgrimage when Meccans stopped them. Muslims did not get into fight but settled for a compromise and returned to Medina. How is this an attack?

. It is the so-called moderates who (knowingly or unknowingly) deceive the faithful ignorant Muslims by their lies and hypocrisy.  We must understand the very fact the prophet Muhammad was a man of 7^th century and we are in the 21^st.  Anyone who believes that all the teaching of Islam is mandatory [example, sharia/fighting infidels (jihad) etc] is a "fundamentalist", NO EXCEPTION!

>>>>>>>>>>>> NO where in Islam it is prescribed to attack non-violent non-Muslims. Maybe you are stuck with few texts without any knowledge of the contexts.

Secondly the term "Fundamentalist" is a negative word in context of Christianity. As per scripture of Islam, the fundamentals of Islam are sound. I do not know how long you have been a member of this forum but we have discussed a lot about fundamentals of Islam. Please feel free to read up on them.

"prophet Muhammad (PBUH) chose to forgive EVERYONE who persecuted the prophet PERSONALLY".

 >>> Not true!

Prophet Muhammad ordered to kill ten individuals on the day of conquest of Mecca even if they were found inside the Kaba. Among these ten three were female.

>>>>>>>>>> This is the problem of knowing half truths.

Kindly RE-READ what I said. I said he forgave everyone who offended him personally.( I made it in large fonts to get your attention but you missed it). 

Among these ten individuals, there were people who were inciting people to kill prophet Muhammad (PBUH). At that time, he was the head of Islamic state and any conspiracy to kill him is considered an attack on the state. Prophet forgave everyone when they tried to kill him for 13 long years. He did not fight anyone. Rather left his beloved town peacefully in search of peaceful solution. He was given permission to defend Medina when the Meccan pagans started to attack Medina to wipe out the new Islamic state.

Do realize you could have a fist fight with lawyer Obama when he was a civil rights lawyer in south side Chicago. If you even verbally threat him (The same person), it will be considered as an attack on the United States of America and you will surely end up in jail for a long time. If you found conspiring to harm the state, you will find your rear end in some prison cell without any trial (Like Guantanamo bay).

Therefore, it is important to understand what is personal and what is a crime against a state. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was duty bound to punish anyone who were inspiring people to kill him or harm city of Medina. Otherwise he forgave thousands of people who attempted to kill him, who tortured him, mocked him, insulted him, persecuted him for many years.

I am sorry to say that, you do not even understand the situation but make comments that is inaccurate.


Another example of similar situation will be when Bangabandhu allpowed Pakistani officers to leave around 71. This was a settlement where Pakistanis were given exemptions. If any officer still wanted to kill Bengalis, what should we have done to that idiot? Obviously you have no choice but to kill them.

Similarly those ten people were still trying destabilize the peaceful amnesty given by prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Some people were killed for their own actions. Rest of them (Who submitted without any provocation or bloodshed)  were forgiven.

Shalom!

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"list more than sixty failed or successful battle (expedition /Raid),"- the number of Gazwas committed by the Prophet was more like 89 than like sixty.  Without religious bias, one would brand him as a successful bandit who used the name of almighty Allah to serve his own interest.

On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Abul Azad <azad973@gmail.com> wrote:

 

"Make your point and we can share our views" 

 As I said, the subject is very vast and beyond the scope of discussion in this forum. However, because of your insistence I am answering your claim on June 23rd according to the written testimony/texts of those earliest Muslim historians.

"Only punished those who wanted to destroy all Muslims from the face of the earth.—"

 >>> Not true! The truth is: In the Biography of  (SWS) by pious Muslims list more than sixty failed or successful battle (expedition /Raid), undertaken by him, in last 10 years of his life in Medina (622-632 CE).  Among those conflicts only two were defensive  (The battle of Wuhud and Trench).  The lists of those conflicts are:

 Ghazwa or Maghazi (where prophet Muhammad himself participated):

 623 CE:  1.  Al –Abwa, 2.  Buwat, 3.  Al-Ushayrah

624 CE : 4. Badr (first), 5. Badr, 6.  Expulsion of Banu Qaynuqa, 7.  Al- Sawiq,.  Ghatafan, 9.  Bahran

625 CE: 10.  Ohud, 11.   Humra Al- Asad , 12.  Expulsion of Banu Nadir 13.  Dhat –Al- Riqa of Nakhl, 14.  Another Badr

626 CE:  15.  Dumat –Al- Jandal, 16.  Banu Mustaliq of  Khuzah

627 CE: 17.  Battle of Ditch (Trench /Khandaq) , 18.  Banu Qurayza massacre, 19.  Banu Lihyan of Hudhayl, 20. Dhu Qarad

628 CE: 21. Campaign/Treaty of Hudaybiya , 22.  Khaybar   23. Wadi Al-Qura

630 CE: 24.  Conquest of Mecca, 25.  Hunayun, 26.  Al Taif

631 CE: 27.  Tabuk

Sariyyyah  (where prophet  Muhammad did not take part physically):

Thanniyyat Al-Murah,   Al Is, Al Kharran, Nakhala,   Al – Qardah,  Al-Raji,  Bir- Munah, Dhu Al Qassah,  Turabah,  Yemen,  Al-Kadid,  Fadak,  Banu Salaym,  Al Ghamrah, Qatan,  Al-Qurata of Hawazin,  Banu Murrah in Fadak,  Yumn and Jinab,  Al Jamun, Judham,  Wadi Al Qura,  Assasination of Yusayr bin Rizam in Khaybar,  Another attack in Khaybar,  Assassination of Abu Rafi  in Khaybar ,  Assassination of Kaab bin Al-Ashraf,  Assassination of Asma binte Marwan,  Attack and killing of Khalid bin Sufiyan, Mutah,  Dhat Atlah, Banu Al Anbar, Banu Murrah, Dhat Al-Salasil, Valley of Idam,  Al- Ghabah, Al Khabat."

 [Ref: Al Tabari (839-923 CE), 'Tarikh Al Rasul Waal Muluk', Vol-9, Page 1756-1760]

 "Even when the whole arabia was under the feet of Muslim (After Mecca was under Muslims) they did not take revenge, -----,"

 >>> The whole credit goes to Al-Abbas bin Abdul Muttalib (prophet's uncle) and Abu Sufiyan bin Harb.  These two men saved obvious blood shade; to know more, one needs to know what happened in the tent of Muhammad on the night before the "attack and conquest of Mecca". It is the story of "negotiation" between Muhammad and Abu Sufiyan with the help of Al-Abbas. Abu Sufian risked his life to prevent serious blood shed in this conflict; he was about to be killed by Omar ibne khattab on that night.

"prophet Muhammad (PBUH) chose to forgive EVERYONE who persecuted the prophet PERSONALLY".

 >>> Not true!

Prophet Muhammad ordered to kill ten individuals on the day of conquest of Mecca even if they were found inside the Kaba. Among these ten three were female.

 "The important thing to understand that, fundamental values of Islam remained the same".

 >>> True!

The  "fundamentalist" talks and tries to establish the "fundamental values" of Islam. It is the so-called moderates who (knowingly or unknowingly) deceive the faithful ignorant Muslims by their lies and hypocrisy.  We must understand the very fact the prophet Muhammad was a man of 7th century and we are in the 21st.  Anyone who believes that all the teaching of Islam is mandatory [example, sharia/fighting infidels (jihad) etc] is a "fundamentalist", NO EXCEPTION!

Thanks a lot Mr. QR. Please don't be offended, nothing personal!

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 2:23 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

    >> I am sure you did. That's why my inference about you was, " your understanding of Islam is very primitive---", >>>>>>>>>> It will be more useful, if you leave the petty personal attacks and get to YOUR POINT (If you have one). Make your point and we can share our views (That is the idea of this forum/blog). Shalom! -----Original Message----- From: Abul Azad <azad973@gmail.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:43 pm Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: :: :: One Page from My-Diary :: :: :)*BLOW UP DADDY !*:) A HILARIOUS Article~Smiles for U all-:) ('DAWN')   "I have been fortunate to spend time with many scholars of Islam (Both Muslims and non-Muslims)--"  >> I am sure you did. That's why my inference about you was, " your understanding of Islam is very primitive---", and I advised you to learn Islam from the earliest Islamic sources to know  their "hypocrisy and biasses".   Volume VI-IX of 'History Al-Tabari' covers the time of Prophet Muhammad. If you are too lazy for that then try to spend some time to 'blogs' where untold story of Islam  are often discussed and verify their references from the earliest Islamic sources.  Learn by yourself, don't rely any one!  On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:11 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:   Mr. Rahman, Let me correct you, "I have no blog and I am not the writer of the article of the link I provided". If you have any questions about those article, please make your "comment"  directly in the comment section of those articles.  >>>>>>>> will do. At the same time, the arguments made in those blogs and links provided are without logic but shows a visible discomfort and ignorance of Islam. I only tried to point those out in my last post. I have been fortunate to spend time with many scholars of Islam (Both Muslims and non-Muslims). I am aware of differences but I also knows fundamentally Islam is sound. I agree that, subject is vast but if you study the life of the last prophet (PBUH), you will see Islam was very liberating and compassionate. prophet (PBUH) only punished people who fought against Muslim umma and forgave everyone who wanted to harm him personally. Which says a lot about this man and how Islam was established. Shalom! -----Original Message----- From: Abul Azad <azad973@gmail.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 23, 2013 1:10 pm Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: :: :: One Page from My-Diary :: :: :)*BLOW UP DADDY !*:) A HILARIOUS Article~Smiles for U all-:) ('DAWN')   Mr. Rahman, Let me correct you, "I have no blog and I am not the writer of the article of the link I provided". If you have any questions about those article, please make your "comment"  directly in the comment section of those articles.   Mr. Rahman, I have the chance to read many of your comments about Islam. It appears to me that your understanding of Islam is very primitive for the fact that the comment you make is very often argued by a stereotype sets of "words (that you mentioned)" in every mosques around the globe by al kinds of Clergies. If you really believe that "religion" is an essential part of your life, please try to learn it from the EARLIEST POSSIBLE SOURCES before it become contaminated by thousands of dedicated hands who tried to shape "Islam" according to their own way. Few of those earliest sources are: A) The Life of Muhammad — A Translation of Ibn Ishaq's (704-768 CE) Sirat Rasul Allah – A. GUILLAUME, Oxford University Press, Karachi, 1955 B) The History of Al-Tabari (838-923 CE) – "Tarikh al-rasul wa'l –muluk", Translated and annoted by W. Montogomery Watt and M.V. McDonald (University of Edinburg), State University of New Yok press 1987. C) Ketab al-Maghazi- by  Al-Waqidi (748-822 CE), Ed Marseden Jones, London 1966. Obviously the subject is very vast and beyond the scope of discussion in this forum. You will be surprised knowing the "differences" what is said in those text and what we hear from our Clergies.    On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:23 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:   member Abul, I read your blogs and links and I am not sure which parts of Islam you have problem with? When a group of people establish a state, they have to bring down laws, punishments and processes. This is true for any country anywhere in the world. In our beloved Bangladesh, we saw a lot of violence in post liberation Bangladesh. One member of Mukto-mona even said (In last few days) that, post liberation Bangladesh saw more minority property confiscated than Pakistan era. Regardless of your ideology, it is utter idiotic to expect once you have a functioning state, you will not have codified laws to protect innocent civilians and the state itself against attacking enemies. If a state could functioned without laws and punishment, the US could have run the whole country with candy bars instead of trillions of dollars in defense, police, jails (The largest in the world) etc. The important thing to understand that, fundamental values of Islam remained the same. That did not change with time. Even when the whole arabia was under the feet of Muslim (After Mecca was under Muslims) they did not take revenge, prophet Muhammad (PBUH) chose to forgive EVERYONE who persecuted the prophet PERSONALLY. During the whole life of prophet Muhammad (PBUH), he forgave every personal offender. Only punished those who wanted to destroy all Muslims from the face of the earth. I think it is a very compassionate and noble approach. Shalom! -----Original Message----- From: Abul Azad <azad973@gmail.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 22, 2013 9:07 pm Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: :: :: One Page from My-Diary :: :: :)*BLOW UP DADDY !*:) A HILARIOUS Article~Smiles for U all-:) ('DAWN')   Mr. Roy, You are welcome! I believe that the problem with these people is a "LESSER ONE"!  Not only because they are fewer in number but also we identify them easily by their speech and action. They have no hesitancy declaring clearly and truthfully from where do they get the inspiration (Quran/Sira and Hadit).  Is there any ambiguity of Dr. Firoz kamal's article about the message he tries to 'feed us'? Is there any doubt about his intention and root of his inspiration? The greater problem is with "us", the so-called moderates.  Religious hypocrites always deceive us by their "PICK AND CHOOSE"  verses/hadits/sira (biography of the prophet) according to "THEIR" convenience.  These hypocrites continue keep the moderate Muslims in darkness mainly by two tactics (knowingly or unknowingly):  1.  By  "NOT MENTIONING" that many of the tolerant/peaceful  "Meccan" verses are abrogated by more violent "Medina Verses".  In Islam, it is called 'nasikh' and 'mansukh. (http://www.sunnipath.com/library/books/B0040P0021.aspx). http://www.amarblog.com/valomanus/posts/166422 http://www.amarblog.com/valomanus/posts/166530 2.  Whenever any of this  "jihadi" does any atrocities or killing innocent people, these hypocrites always "STAND UP" and declare:  "IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM".   This is going on, and on, and on, and on --.  They sang this song again and again and again whenever any Terrorist incidence happens anywhere in this planet; and "we" the moderate dance with their songs. We forget the very fact that "We" can utter this song millions and billions of time and stay in a stage of "DENIAL" and continue blaming "THESE PEOPLE" forever!  It never solves the problem.  If we do not even acknowledge, identify and understand a "PROBLEM" how can we think of solving it?  We are always find reason to "blame others" and in no time label others as "Islam hater" if he/she criticize my "HOLY FAITH".    When we continue believing that "FAITH IS A VIRTUE", where is the moral ground of prohibiting others to practice "ANY FAITH' one may hold?  If my "faith" is a virtue (according to "my" understanding of my holy scripture/text/ learning etc), why not yours?  Is it because you are not in agreement with that of mine?   Is it not Hypocrisy?  Professor Richard Dawkins nicely argued in this video how these terrorists get their support from the moderates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT1DL7cIdjk On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:   Thank you, Mr. Azad. Amazing documentary portrait of Jihad, a must see documentary. Jiten Roy  From: Abul Azad <azad973@gmail.com> To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: :: :: One Page from My-Diary :: :: :)*BLOW UP DADDY !*:) A HILARIOUS Article~Smiles for U all-:) ('DAWN')   That was Tareque Masud's "Run way"- (link below).  But, that was "ONLY" a movie!  The real life events are in Shahriar Kabir's documentary: "Portrait of Jihad."  PORTRAIT OF JIHAD - A documentary by Shahriar Kabir - 57mins http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B9LiuIZAI5c Tareque Masud's Run way- full movie -90 mins http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WDVMHTBjDM On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:20 PM, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:   Have you watched the movie by Tarek Masud which some one posted on this forum a couple of weeks ago?  Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:   It is a good one; quite funny too. From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 2:57 PM Subject: [mukto-mona] FW: :: :: One Page from My-Diary :: :: :)*BLOW UP DADDY !*:) A HILARIOUS Article~Smiles for U all-:) ('DAWN')     This for that demented sinner, that fierce 'dhalim' from the age of Jahiliya == F. M. Kamal Subject: ::

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