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[mukto-mona] [মুক্তমনা বাংলা ব্লগ] ' আলোদ্বীপ'
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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Meeting with Ambassador
"AL was and still is deeply mired in corruption. Yes, the other party, the BNP is even more corrupt and anti-democratic. But that does not preclude us in pointing out that the party we want to be in power (as there was no better choice) is blatantly corrupt."
Dr. Rahman, if you think about your above statement you will find - it's leading to a destructive criticism.
When you feel the need to elect a party, you don't criticize it before the election. If you do, it goes in favor of the other party, you don't want in power. This is a strategic decision, not a blatant corruption, as you called. There is no gain in the destructive criticism.
Anyway, thank you for pointing out the erroneous characterization of BNP; I realized it also, but it was too late for correction.
Thanks again.
Jiten Roy
--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 3/20/14, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Meeting with Ambassador
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 5:11 AM
Dr Jiten
Roy,
Thank
you for your response. I see your point, particularly with
regard to your whole-hearted support for the AL before the
election. But that should not have deterred you in accepting
the facts - AL was and still is deeply mired in corruption.
Yes, the other party, the BNP is even more corrupt and
anti-democratic. But that does not preclude us in pointing
out that the party we want to be in power (as there was no
better choice) is blatantly corrupt.
On
one point I would disagree with you. The BNP is not a
centre-left party; it is a centre-right party. AL is
centre-left to centrist party. You may know that the AL
started its political life as the Awami Muslim League and
then it dropped its 'Muslim' name in the mid 1950s.
So, if it is moving towards the Muslim credential, it is
just moving towards its root, which is worrying and must be
opposed.
I
came back from Bangladesh only last Friday, 14 March after
spending nearly four weeks there. I am really heartened by
the fact that the trend in Islamisation of the country has
reduced sharply and the people are much more tolerant of
other religions. There is an element of goodwill towards
India. But all of these things can change drastically if
Narendra Modi comes to power in India. I hope the Indian
people will have the political maturity and secular views to
reject religious extremism.
You
are absolutely right to point out the
predicament of Pakistan, when it had accepted religious
extremism. I always say that the best thing that Bangladesh
has achieved is that it had broken away from Pakistan and we
will never ever like to go back to that
situation.
-
Anis Rahman
From: Jiten
Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Wednesday, 19 March 2014, 23:55
Subject: Re:
[mukto-mona] Re: Meeting with Ambassador
Dr. Rahman,
Criticism is an important tool of advancement, but it is
only useful if you use it wisely. If you don't, it could
be detrimental to your goal.
I see BNP as a center-left political party, much like Muslim
League, and Awami League as a centrist progressive party.
In my view, religious minorities have no other option, but
to support Awami League in the election season. That's the
reality, and the reason behind my objection to your
criticism of Awami League before the general election.
You criticize Awami League for corruptions, which I do not
disagree. But, I have much more at stake than corruption. I
have to think about existence and survival as a religious
minority in Bangladesh; corruption is the least of my
problem, especially when it is a common phenomenon in both
parties; probably much more prevalent in BNP. As a result, I
thought - it was not the time for criticism of Awami League,
as it would only help BNP. That was my reason for criticism
of you at the time.
Time to criticize Awami League is now. They need to change
their political equation. Based on the recent attacks on
religious minorities in Hazarihat, Ramu, Pabna, etc., where
Awami cadres took part, it is clear that Awami League is
also moving slowly to the left of center, and it is becoming
Awami Muslim League. In that case, there will be no
difference left between BNP and Awami League, as we came to
know. This is what we have said to Ambassador Mozena also.
I believe - this is an ominous signal for the country. It
shows that the country of Bangladesh is drifting towards
Pakistani line of politics of getting rid of religious
minorities from the land, and Awami League is slowly
subscribing to that line of politics as well.
As you know – Pakistan has gotten rid of religious
minorities from that country. What did they gain? They have
become the world's factory of religious extremists. I hate
to see Bangladesh following that route.
Jiten Roy
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 3/19/14, ANISUR RAHMAN
<anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Meeting with Ambassador
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 4:38 AM
First of
all, I am not the Mr. Rahman that Jiten Roy addresses
below.
I am Dr. A. Rahman from England. I needed to identify
myself
at the outset, lest Jiten Roy gets confused and start
directing fire at random.
It
is in Bengali culture to contradict and disagree even when
there is nothing contentious. Undeniably minorities in
Bangladesh, or even in East Pakistan, had been treated
disgracefully and often violently, which no civilised
society can condone. The governments of the day had either
ignored and overlooked or aided and abetted with the
perpetrators. The BNP/Jamaat had been carrying out
religious
atrocities for a long time and the AL were no angels.
There
had been undeniable evidence of AL involvement in burning,
looting Hindu properties before the recent elections. When
I
raised this despicable behaviour of the ruling party,
Jiten
Roy immediately branded me as a BNP supporter. I wrote
many
articles against BNP/Jamaat's religious excesses and
criminality, but Jiten Roy ignored them all or was totally
oblivious. However, he seems to have got now a rational,
realistic view of the situation existing in Bangladesh.
All
political parties, to a greater or lesser extent, are
guilty
of religious misdemeanour and criminality.
I
agree with Jiten Roy that truth (or rather facts) must be
brought out. But one must be careful about what one calls
truth. For example, to Jamaatis the existence of God and
His
divine messages are the truths. To Narendra Modi Hindu
chauvinism is the truth. So the establishment of truth is
not as clear cut as it seems. But we must bring out facts
and try to show to the world what is fair and what is not.
-
Anis Rahman
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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Meeting with Ambassador
I am glad member Roy's open response. I agree with most of it and wish to add couple more ideas ....
In our country you can support whatever political group you wish to support. I respect that. At the same time if someone else do support their choice of parties, you should show some level of maturity, tolerance and respect for that choice. I have been with this forum for a while. I am not actively involved with any parties but have some opinions that does not always follow any party line. I was shocked to see how nasty people can get with even symbolic differences in opinions.
I mean my likes or dislikes does not amount to much in our country but what the hell happen to democratic culture?
With your response, it is clear that the right group is NOT apolitical (As claimed earlier) but they "Time" their complaints to benefit their political party. So even if violence take place before election, they will remain quiet. I imagine will do the opposite if the other party is involved.
The whole idea of any human right group is to be the spokesperson for that group. WHENEVER any violence or persecution takes place they should speak up right there!!
I am glad to see how common people stood up against violence in Ramu and post election violence in couple places in our country. They did not want to "Time"" their response to offer political benefit.
I believe - this is an ominous signal for the country. It shows that the country of Bangladesh is drifting towards Pakistani line of politics of getting rid of religious minorities from the land, and Awami League is slowly subscribing to that line of politics as well.
certainly as neighbors we can learn from mistakes in India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan etc but still bring up Pakistan in political arena does not work anymore.
As you know – Pakistan has gotten rid of religious minorities from that country. What did they gain? They have become the world's factory of religious extremists. I hate to see Bangladesh following that route.
Shalom!
-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 6:55 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Meeting with Ambassador
Criticism is an important tool of advancement, but it is only useful if you use it wisely. If you don't, it could be detrimental to your goal.
I see BNP as a center-left political party, much like Muslim League, and Awami League as a centrist progressive party. In my view, religious minorities have no other option, but to support Awami League in the election season. That's the reality, and the reason behind my objection to your criticism of Awami League before the general election.
You criticize Awami League for corruptions, which I do not disagree. But, I have much more at stake than corruption. I have to think about existence and survival as a religious minority in Bangladesh; corruption is the least of my problem, especially when it is a common phenomenon in both parties; probably much more prevalent in BNP. As a result, I thought - it was not the time for criticism of Awami League, as it would only help BNP. That was my reason for criticism of you at the time.
Time to criticize Awami League is now. They need to change their political equation. Based on the recent attacks on religious minorities in Hazarihat, Ramu, Pabna, etc., where Awami cadres took part, it is clear that Awami League is also moving slowly to the left of center, and it is becoming Awami Muslim League. In that case, there will be no difference left between BNP and Awami League, as we came to know. This is what we have said to Ambassador Mozena also.
I believe - this is an ominous signal for the country. It shows that the country of Bangladesh is drifting towards Pakistani line of politics of getting rid of religious minorities from the land, and Awami League is slowly subscribing to that line of politics as well.
As you know – Pakistan has gotten rid of religious minorities from that country. What did they gain? They have become the world's factory of religious extremists. I hate to see Bangladesh following that route.
Jiten Roy
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 3/19/14, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Meeting with Ambassador
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 4:38 AM
First of
all, I am not the Mr. Rahman that Jiten Roy addresses below.
I am Dr. A. Rahman from England. I needed to identify myself
at the outset, lest Jiten Roy gets confused and start
directing fire at random.
It
is in Bengali culture to contradict and disagree even when
there is nothing contentious. Undeniably minorities in
Bangladesh, or even in East Pakistan, had been treated
disgracefully and often violently, which no civilised
society can condone. The governments of the day had either
ignored and overlooked or aided and abetted with the
perpetrators. The BNP/Jamaat had been carrying out religious
atrocities for a long time and the AL were no angels. There
had been undeniable evidence of AL involvement in burning,
looting Hindu properties before the recent elections. When I
raised this despicable behaviour of the ruling party, Jiten
Roy immediately branded me as a BNP supporter. I wrote many
articles against BNP/Jamaat's religious excesses and
criminality, but Jiten Roy ignored them all or was totally
oblivious. However, he seems to have got now a rational,
realistic view of the situation existing in Bangladesh. All
political parties, to a greater or lesser extent, are guilty
of religious misdemeanour and criminality.
I
agree with Jiten Roy that truth (or rather facts) must be
brought out. But one must be careful about what one calls
truth. For example, to Jamaatis the existence of God and His
divine messages are the truths. To Narendra Modi Hindu
chauvinism is the truth. So the establishment of truth is
not as clear cut as it seems. But we must bring out facts
and try to show to the world what is fair and what is not.
-
Anis Rahman
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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Meeting with Ambassador
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 19 March 2014, 23:55
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Meeting with Ambassador
Criticism is an important tool of advancement, but it is only useful if you use it wisely. If you don't, it could be detrimental to your goal.
I see BNP as a center-left political party, much like Muslim League, and Awami League as a centrist progressive party. In my view, religious minorities have no other option, but to support Awami League in the election season. That's the reality, and the reason behind my objection to your criticism of Awami League before the general election.
You criticize Awami League for corruptions, which I do not disagree. But, I have much more at stake than corruption. I have to think about existence and survival as a religious minority in Bangladesh; corruption is the least of my problem, especially when it is a common phenomenon in both parties; probably much more prevalent in BNP. As a result, I thought - it was not the time for criticism of Awami League, as it would only help BNP. That was my reason for criticism of you at the time.
Time to criticize Awami League is now. They need to change their political equation. Based on the recent attacks on religious minorities in Hazarihat, Ramu, Pabna, etc., where Awami cadres took part, it is clear that Awami League is also moving slowly to the left of center, and it is becoming Awami Muslim League. In that case, there will be no difference left between BNP and Awami League, as we came to know. This is what we have said to Ambassador Mozena also.
I believe - this is an ominous signal for the country. It shows that the country of Bangladesh is drifting towards Pakistani line of politics of getting rid of religious minorities from the land, and Awami League is slowly subscribing to that line of politics as well.
As you know – Pakistan has gotten rid of religious minorities from that country. What did they gain? They have become the world's factory of religious extremists. I hate to see Bangladesh following that route.
Jiten Roy
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 3/19/14, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Meeting with Ambassador
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 4:38 AM
First of
all, I am not the Mr. Rahman that Jiten Roy addresses below.
I am Dr. A. Rahman from England. I needed to identify myself
at the outset, lest Jiten Roy gets confused and start
directing fire at random.
It
is in Bengali culture to contradict and disagree even when
there is nothing contentious. Undeniably minorities in
Bangladesh, or even in East Pakistan, had been treated
disgracefully and often violently, which no civilised
society can condone. The governments of the day had either
ignored and overlooked or aided and abetted with the
perpetrators. The BNP/Jamaat had been carrying out religious
atrocities for a long time and the AL were no angels. There
had been undeniable evidence of AL involvement in burning,
looting Hindu properties before the recent elections. When I
raised this despicable behaviour of the ruling party, Jiten
Roy immediately branded me as a BNP supporter. I wrote many
articles against BNP/Jamaat's religious excesses and
criminality, but Jiten Roy ignored them all or was totally
oblivious. However, he seems to have got now a rational,
realistic view of the situation existing in Bangladesh. All
political parties, to a greater or lesser extent, are guilty
of religious misdemeanour and criminality.
I
agree with Jiten Roy that truth (or rather facts) must be
brought out. But one must be careful about what one calls
truth. For example, to Jamaatis the existence of God and His
divine messages are the truths. To Narendra Modi Hindu
chauvinism is the truth. So the establishment of truth is
not as clear cut as it seems. But we must bring out facts
and try to show to the world what is fair and what is not.
-
Anis Rahman
__._,_.___
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