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Saturday, November 29, 2014

Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.



His thought is circumcised and convoluted.

 

I have presented why I think - your thoughts are illogical. Think again - what is Kazi Nazrul Islam, as per your judgment? Was he a practicing Muslim, as you have presented him to be? 


From: "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.

 
I thought Jiten Roy knows how to play by rules. I can see bad influence of Kamal Das on him. Dr. Roy, you need to counter argue if you have the capability. You have to say exactly what I have said illogical and what is inconsistent in my message. If you can't do it, you need to pity yourself for ignorance or lack of clear understanding. 

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On Nov 26, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
He is our resident Moulana Chakraborty, isn't it - Dr. Das? He knows all about Islam, otherwise he could not be our Moulana for nothing. He possesses the most inconsistent mind in the forum; no one can follow his mind - it wonders around all over. He brought Poet Kazi Nazrul Islam in the discussion to prove that ISIS is not following Islam, and they are not real Muslims, as Kazi Nazrul Islam was. Go figure!
Jiten Roy 
 

From: "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.

 
We have a devout Muslim in this forum by the name of Mr. Chakrabarty. Like an ordinary Muslim he hasn't read any version of Sirat al Nabi, Hadith by Bukhari, Gazzali and others, or the Holy Quran. Though he finds Hindu traditions deplorable, he is full of praise for Islam. "Swadarme nidhanam sreya, parodharma bhoyabaha", though a verse written under the influence of Islam, does not impress him. He pretends to be a Hafiz, but in reality, he is a Mafiz.

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On Nov 26, 2014, at 8:12 PM, "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Nazrul was a free-thinker. I would not drag him here. If a cognitively alert Nazrul were alive today in Bangladesh, he would be asking bigger trouble than Rushdie and Nasrin. He was a human first...man!
-SD
 
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss



On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:57 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Moreover John Kerry's statement is a political statement. Kerry does not want to see Islam through the eyes of the ISIS leaders. Also he does not want to read scriptures between lines as this is nothing but a fundamentalist attitude. This is a time when, as America thinks, a broader coalition is needed to fight ISIS. World leaders must take this fact into cognizance. I don't see any wisdom in ridiculing Kerry or his statement. This is meanness. 

Nazrul found greatness in Islam. Again beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. How do you look at the line from Nazrul "Araber nabi karunar Chhobi"?

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On Nov 6, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Abul Kasem abul88@hotmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
No wonder PC master Secretary John Kerry says: Islam is the beautiful 
 
Wonderful, John Kerry--
After you lose your job as Obama's side-kick, you will get the job of an Imam in a Saudi Arabis.
Saudis will love you--
 
AK

 

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Subject: Re: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.
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বাংলাদেশের সঙ্গে ছিটমহল বিনিময় চুক্তি লোকসভায় পাশ করার উদ্যোগ নিয়েছে ভারত সরকার। ভারতের এই সময় পত্রিকার অনলাইন সংস্করণে ইয়াওমুল খামীসি অর্থাৎ বৃহস্পতিবার এ খবর প্রকাশিত হয়েছে। কিন্তু তারা হেডিং করেছে- আগামী ১৬ ডিসেম্বর বিজয় দিবসে বাংলাদেশের প্রধানমন্ত্রী শেখ হাসিনাকে উপহার দিতে চায় ভারতের প্রধানমন্ত্রী নরেন্দ্র মোদি। আমরা এ খবরের গভীর প্রতিবাদ জানাচ্ছি। কারণ শুধু ৫২ টি ছিটমহলই নয়, সব ছিটমহলই দিলেও বাংলাদেশের পাওনা শেষ হবেনা। সুতরাং পাওনাই যেখানে পূরণ হয়না সেখানে উপহারের প্রসঙ্গ আসে কোথা থেকে?
ছিটমহল বিনিময়ে ১৯৭৪ সালে মুজিব-ইন্দিরার মধ্যে স্বাক্ষরিত স্থল সীমান্ত চুক্তি এবং ২০১১ সালে হাসিনা-মনমোহনের স্বাক্ষরিত এ সংক্রান্ত প্রটোকল ভারতের পার্লামেন্টে অনুমোদনের অপেক্ষায় রয়েছে। তবে এজন্য ভারতের সংবিধান সংশোধন সংক্রান্ত 'দি কনস্টিটিউশন (ওয়ান হান্ড্রেড এন্ড নাইনটিনথ অ্যামেন্ডমেন্ট) বিল, ২০১৪ রাজ্যসভায় সংশোধন হয়ে চলমান শীতকালীন অধিবেশনে ডিসেম্বর মাসের প্রথম সপ্তাহে ভারতের রাজ্যসভায় বিলটি উত্থাপিত হওয়ার কথা রয়েছে। 
এই চুক্তির পোশাকি নাম ল্যান্ড বাউন্ডারি এগ্রিমেন্ট বা স্থল সীমান্ত চুক্তি। প্রধানমন্ত্রী থাকার সময় ২০১১ সালে মনমোহন সিং বাংলাদেশে গিয়ে স্থল সীমান্ত চুক্তি করে। কিন্তু নিয়মানুযায়ী, পার্লামেন্টে এই চুক্তির অনুমোদন করতে হবে ও সংবিধান সংশোধন বিল পাশ করাতে হবে। বাংলাদেশের পার্লামেন্টে বিল অনুমোদিত হয়েছে। কিন্তু ভারতে মনমোহনের আমলে বিল পাশ করা যায়নি।
বলা হচ্ছে, এখন অবস্থা পাল্টেছে। মমতা এবার দিল্লি এসে জানিয়েছে, কেন্দ্র উপযুক্ত ক্ষতিপূরণ দিলে সে ছিটমহল বিনিময়ে রাজি। এই ক্ষতিপূরণ রাজ্য সরকারের সঙ্গে কথা বলে ঠিক করতে হবে। এ ব্যাপারে কেন্দ্রের কোনো আপত্তি নেই।
মমতা এভাবে আপত্তি তুলে নিতে রাজি হলেও বেঁকে বসেছে আসামের বিজেপি নেতারা। আসামের প্রচুর জমি বাংলাদেশে চলে যাবে বলে ওই রাজ্যের বিজেপি নেতাদের দাবি।
দেখা যাচ্ছে ঘোষণা দিলেও এখনো তা শঙ্কা মুক্ত নয়। অথচ শুধু ছিটমহল নয় পুরো আসামসহ আরো অনেক ভূমি বাংলাদেশের জন্য পাওয়ার কথা আরো অনেক আগেই।
বাংলাদেশ-ভারতের ভূ-খ-ের অভ্যন্তরে ১৬২ টি ছিটমহল রয়েছে। এর মধ্যে বাংলাদেশের ৫১ টি ছিটমহল ভারতের পশ্চিমবঙ্গ রাজ্যের কুচবিহার জেলার অভ্যন্তরে এবং ভারতের ১১১ টি ছিটমহল বাংলাদেশের কুড়িগ্রাম, লালমনিরহাট, নীলফামারী ও পঞ্চগড় জেলার অভ্যন্তরে অবস্থিত।
তবে প্রত্যেক স্ব-স্ব দেশের মূল ভূ-খ-ের সঙ্গে এসব ছিটমহলের সরাসরি কোনো যোগাযোগ নেই। নেই কোনো রাষ্ট্রীয় কর্তৃত্ব। ফলে সব ধরনের রাষ্ট্রীয় সুযোগ সুবিধা এবং মৌলিক মানবাধিকার থেকে বঞ্চিত হয়ে ছিটমহলবাসীরা অবরুদ্ধ জীবনযাপন করে আসছেন।
উল্লেখ্য, ১৯৪৭ সালে র‌্যাডক্লিফ কর্তৃক স্কেল দিয়ে ভারতের ম্যাপ বিভক্ত করার সময় কোচবিহার রাজা ভারতীয় ইউনিয়ন ও পাকিস্তানে যোগ না দেয়ায় ব্রিটিশের অধীনে করদমিত্র রাজ্যে পরিণত হয়। পরবর্তীতে পশ্চিমবঙ্গের প্রথম মুখ্যমন্ত্রী বিধান চন্দ্র রায়ের কূটনৈতিক কারণে কোচবিহার ভারতীয় ইউনিয়নে যুক্ত হলে ভারত ও পাকিস্তান অংশে বিভিন্ন মৌজায় রাজার খাস খতিয়ানভুক্ত জমি ভারতের অধীনে চলে গেলে তৎকালীন পূর্ব-পাকিস্তানের অভ্যন্তরে ১১১টি ছিটমহল ভারতের অংশ হয়ে যায়।
দীর্ঘ ৬৭ বছর ধরে ভাগ্যবিড়ম্বিত মানুষগুলো নিজভূমে পরবাসী। দাবি আদায়ে দীর্ঘদিন শান্তিপূর্ণ আন্দোলন করেও পরাধীনতার শৃঙ্খল ভাঙতে পারেনি। একটি দেশের অভ্যন্তরে সে দেশের সংস্কৃতির সঙ্গে অভ্যস্ত হওয়ার পরও অন্য একটি রাষ্ট্রের অংশ হওয়ায় ছিটমহলবাসীরা নিজেদের পরিচয় গোপন করে শিক্ষা, চিকিৎসা সেবা নেন। জমি রেজিস্ট্রারের সুযোগ না থাকায় কেনাবেচাও বন্ধ। নেই কোন আইনের শাসন। ফলে সন্ত্রাসীরা অপকর্ম করে গা ঢাকা দেয়ায় তাদের আইনের আওতায় আনা সম্ভব হয়না। এ কারণে সন্ত্রাসীদের অভয়ারণ্যে পরিণত হয়েছে ছিটমহলগুলো। সর্বক্ষেত্রেই তারা সুবিধাবঞ্চিত।
ছিটমহলের লাখো মানুষকে ৬৭ বছরের বেশি সময় ধরে নাগরিক অধিকার ও মানবাধিকার বঞ্চিত রাখা একেবারেই অগ্রহণযোগ্য, অমানবিক ব্যাপার। কয়েক দশক ধরে এ সংক্রান্ত চুক্তি উপেক্ষিত হওয়া, এমনকি দুদেশের মধ্যে সম্প্রতি সই হওয়া প্রটোকলও অগ্রাহ্য করা- কোনোটিই যুক্তিযুক্ত নয়। এ সমস্যার দ্রুত সমাধান হওয়া উচিত বলে আমরা মনে করি। ছিটমহলবাসীর নাগরিক অধিকার সংরক্ষণ এবং দুদেশের মধ্যে বন্ধুত্বপূর্ণ সম্পর্ক বজায় রাখার জন্য সীমান্ত চিহ্নিতকরণ ও ছিটমহল হস্তান্তর বিষয়ে উভয় দেশের সরকারকে আন্তরিক হতে হবে। এ ক্ষেত্রে ভারতের ইতিবাচক ভূমিকা রাখাই বেশি জরুরি।
মূলত বর্তমান বাংলাদেশ ভূখ-ের মানুষ গত ৬৭ বছরে দুই-দুইবার স্বাধীনতা পেলেও আমাদের দেশেরই ছিটমহলগুলোর প্রায় দু'লাখ মানুষ স্বাধীনতা পূর্ণভাবে উপভোগ করতে পারছে না- এর চেয়ে দুঃখজনক আর কী হতে পারে। 
এক্ষেত্রে মমতা-মোদি তথা বিজেপি ও আসাম কোনো বিষয় নয়। বিষয় হলো ভারতের প্রতি নতজানু পররাষ্ট্রনীতি। আমরা মনে করি ভারতের প্রতি নতজানু পররাষ্ট্রনীতি প্রদর্শনের কোন কারণ ৯৭ ভাগ মুসলমানের দেশ বাংলাদেশের নেই। '৭১-এ বাংলাদেশ পাকিস্তান থেকে স্বাধীন হয়েছে। প্রয়োজনে ভারতের আগ্রাসন থেকে মুক্তি পেতে আরেকটি মুক্তিযুদ্ধ এদেশের ধর্মপ্রাণ মুসলমানগণ করতে সদা প্রস্তুত। এদেশের মুসলমানদের এ আবেগ সরকারকে সম্যক উপলব্ধি করতে হবে।
মূলত এসব অনুভূতি ও দায়িত্ববোধ আসে সম্মানিত ইসলামী অনুভূতি ও প্রজ্ঞা থেকে। 


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Re: [mukto-mona] A Copy of the Koran for Subimal Chakrabarty



A thousand Buddhas speak through Google these days though a few imbeciles like our resident Mawlana do not hear. There is are web pages describing the opinion of Indian thinkers on Islam. Vivekananda is usually described as Islamophobic and Tagore considered Christianity and Islam distinctively inimical against all other religions and against each other. MC, with his Islamic brain, is not terribly good at making stories. According to him, both of these legendary Indians had high opinions on Islam. My search on electronic and printed materials produced different result.

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On Nov 30, 2014, at 5:02 AM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 



No, usually, I don't get your points. In fact, your statement:"I defend the rights to practice religion in their own way as long as that practice does not any harm to anybody" is beyond my understanding, because you are not even following your own view. Religious practice is already harming millions around the world, yet you are defending religious practices. You just keep giving one nonsense after another. Keep going! 
   
 

From: "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] A Copy of the Koran for Subimal Chakrabarty

 
Dr. Roy. You still did not get it. I never defended religion in general although I am not ashamed of praising good teachings in a religion. My comparative analysis, I know, angers the communalists. I defend the rights to practice religion in their own way as long as that practice does not any harm to anybody. 

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On Nov 29, 2014, at 9:36 AM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
"To me, Najrul. Rabindranath, Gandhi, and many other intellectuals/philosophers/politicians were wrong when they talked about selected good parts of Islam, especially when they failed to ask people to discard the parts that can be used to make the world hell."
That's exactly my view also, thanks.
We all have brains to judge good and bad. Unfortunately, some people look at others' opinions for their own opinions. This is what I see in Mr. Chakraborty. It seems like - he is unable to express his own mind without quoting others. These individuals could be pointing to some good things about Islam for political correctness or some other reasons, we don't know.   
We cannot just use some good things about something to defend it; you need to take into account good and bad together to judge anything. A religiously motivated person would only talk about good things to defend his/her religion. When an atheist do that, to praise a religion, I don't see truthfulness in it; rather, I see cowardice and appeasement in this behavior.
This is not the first time I saw this tendency of him; this has been his traits for years. He says he is an atheist, but never defends his view, instead he defends a religion. I have gone through this many times with him in the past.
The truth is - religion is not peaceful; they are all violent. So, when someone tries to prove - his/her religion is peaceful, either he does not know his religion or this is  the propaganda to camouflage the violent nature of his religion.      
Jiten Roy

 

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Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 7:59 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] A Copy of the Koran for Subimal Chakrabarty

 
I am posting this in honor of Professor Subimal Chakrabarty for the following post in which he stated, "my knowledge about the Koran is extremely limited.":
 
In this information age, learning about almost anything is possible and free. The following translation of the Koran was certified to be authentic by a religious Muslim friend of mine:
 
 
I hope Professor Chakrabarty would read it, and randomly talk about what are in the Koran. Selecting verses that sound great to praise the religion would be dishonest and a disservice to humanity, especially when too many followers of Islam, including the Islamic State barbarians, try to follow everything. To too many followers, everything in the Koran and Hadit are to be followed, irrespective of where that would take the world/humanity. (Of course, they follow without thinking; they do not have the capacity to think logically.)
 
To me, Najrul. Rabindranath, Gandhi, and many other intellectuals/philosophers/politicians were wrong when they talked about selected good parts of Islam, especially when they failed to ask people to discard the parts that can be used to make the world hell.
 
I am not interested in opening up anyone's holy book to criticize it; I want the followers themselves to try to open up their minds, to do the criticizing themselves, and to be able discard what should be discarded.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
 






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Re: [mukto-mona] Nepali Hindus start mass animal slaughter to please the statue of the Goddess



Goats also were sacrificed. They do this once every five years. Compare this with our annual qurbani in terms of animals slaughtered and after effects.

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On Nov 29, 2014, at 7:54 PM, "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Every religion needs some airtight alibi? I get it. The buffalo meat for day in and day out for the whole winter? Sounds very appetizing?
 



On Friday, November 28, 2014 10:22 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
This 'sacrifice' is their version of qurbani. During the cold winter, they would need meat and wine to keep them warm. Goddess is only an alibi.

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On Nov 29, 2014, at 6:01 AM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Can you believe this - Hindus in Nepal are gearing up to kill thousands of animals to please a statue of their Goddess?

I thought, Hindus have given up mass animal slaughter rituals, but I was so wrong. This is another religious insanity beyond belief. I can't understand how people can believe that there exists a peaceful religion on earth. Religions have never been peaceful in the past, and will never be in the future; they are all violent.  

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Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.



I have never claimed to understand the mind of over a billion Muslims, but I sure know the mind of someone who got outraged when I pointed to promiscuous character of Lady Di. Roy and Das are less imbecile and demented than AR and MC. Only a stupid pokes his nose repeatedly after he shuns contrary opinion.

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On Nov 29, 2014, at 11:16 PM, "ANISUR RAHMAN anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

The advantage of having this debate in public is that everybody - Hindus, Muslims, Christians, atheists, agnostics, pagans and so forth - can see what is going on in the minds of the key players and where they are coming from. 

Dr. Jiten Roy may spurt out his bigoted feelings on the pretext of having clear thinking and straight talking; whereas Dr. Kamal Das may feel that he knows everything there is to know about what is going on in the minds of one and half billion Muslims and gives a sanctimonious direction on the future course of action the majority of Muslims or at least moderate Muslims should take. 
But the central theme of this discourse is this - Confucius more than two and half millenia ago said: "He who knows not, knows not that he knows not, is imbecile, shun him". I will say no more about these two self-serving critiques analysing and reanalysing Muslim bahaviour perpetually.

- AR  


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Sent: Saturday, 29 November 2014, 6:22
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.

 
Thanks. I can see your points. I hope Kamal Das also could spend some time to organize 
his thoughts first and then present it respectfully. All he does is make sweeping comments and boast his incoherent knowledge. 
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On Nov 28, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
"Why should they not be given the freedom to rise above the literary meanings of a holy book and still be religious    by practicing a religion that has been hijacked by the fanatic militants? "-  S. Chakrabarty

People have given that relative freedom since the inception of Islam but it is like one step forward followed by two steps backward. It is the religious Mullahs who call the shorts. These people are so 'afraid' that they think Islam needs to be protected by any means. Anybody converts to an atheist or something else is a dead meat. So, freedom is not an issue.

ISIL has rather become very popular amongst many enlightened European Muslims. And that is not a fluke. The gullible Muslim moderates would pretend to fight the evils but they will surrender the bigger causes of Islam. That is why nothing has happened since PM death. That is why evil forces like ISIL, Boko-harams an d Talibans would be coming in many different flavors with more notoriety. And, moderates will chant the same mantra as these people being not true Muslims. Meanwhile, minorities will be converted or thrown out from many parts of the Muslim dominated countries. And, nobody can be blamed for those notoriety. A moderate would be sorry but he would not mind to live amongst those imbeciles as evidenced by so many cruel incidents and events. There goes his/her freedom and stance against his/her evil brethren. People like Malala can't go back to her own country but she is a great Muslim? I find this very ironic and maybe little self-serving (call it my sarcastic conspiracy theory) agenda from a different angle.

Yes, nobody can do anything about this deadly menace. I bet Nazrul knew that cruel fact when he was young and cognitively alert. Thank you. I stop here.

I bet, we are heading towards the elephant in the room.
-SD
 
 



On Friday, November 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Nazrul was a Muslim by birth and name. He never converted to any other religion although it has been said that for a certain time period he became a Kali sadhak. Through one of his poems he expressed his desire to be buried by the side of a mosque. He was above religion. He was more a Bengali than a Muslim. He did not suffer from religious meanness. That's why he could so easily write beautiful kirtans in addition to naad, hamd, and gajal. He wrote much more Hindu songs than Islamic songs because of the higher demand for the former. 

My point was not to prove that Nazrul was a devout Muslim. He was a rebel against the use of religion as a tool of exploitation. He was aware that common people were religious and he must not do any thing that would make him isolated from people as o ne of his goals was to liberate the oppressed. That's what I wanted to say. Some one made a rude comment about Kerry. My question was if he would make the similar comment about Nazrul as he tried to glorify the prophet of Islam in his song. 

I will never ask Kamal Das this question as he is not worth debating with. He got mad when he heard that Rabindranath called Muhammad a great sage. He stopped so low that he attacked Rabindranath by saying that his writings were not free from spelling mistakes. He loves to attack some one out of context. As far as I remember he  was also mad when he came to know that Vivekananda praised the concept of equality in Islam. He accuses but cannot say on what point. 

That ISIS is following the true Koranic Islam i s now a favorite theory in certain quarters which include Islamophobiac communalists. The theory may be well founded or not---I don't know as my knowledge about the Koran is extremely limited. Also I don't care. My concern is with the Muslims in general who also treat them as true Muslims but do not endorse the activities of ISIS. Will it not be rude to tell them that they are half Muslims and in order to become true Koranic Muslims they have to follow ISIS word for word? Will this not be divisive and make fight against ISIS weak? Why should they not be given the freedom to rise above the literary meanings of a holy book and still be religious    by practicing a religion that has been hijacked by the fanatic militants? 

I have asked you few questions in a separate mail. I would be looking forward to hearing from you soon. 

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On Nov 27, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Does this song makes him a Muslim? How about his so many ShreeKrishna Kirtan and Sama Sangit? Do they make him a Hindu? It does not.

This is your problem. Let me help you - Nazrul is not Muslim or Hindu, he represented humanity.

It is a totally hopeless deliberation, so this is my last comment on you.

Jiten Roy
 

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Jihadi sacrifice in Congo: Women and children were butchered by Islamists in Congo. This is the latest massacre in Congo.




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Re: [mukto-mona] A Copy of the Koran for Subimal Chakrabarty



Atheism requires a much higher level of comprehension than that possessed by MC. He is blind to Indian contribution to philosophy and science, though brainwashed by Arab un culture. Not even the holy family in Islam had his level of loyalty to the Prophet. One google search on any subject could enlighten him. It would consume much less time than he usually spends bleating here.

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On Nov 29, 2014, at 9:36 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

"To me, Najrul. Rabindranath, Gandhi, and many other intellectuals/philosophers/politicians were wrong when they talked about selected good parts of Islam, especially when they failed to ask people to discard the parts that can be used to make the world hell."
That's exactly my view also, thanks.
We all have brains to judge good and bad. Unfortunately, some people look at others' opinions for their own opinions. This is what I see in Mr. Chakraborty. It seems like - he is unable to express his own mind without quoting others. These individuals could be pointing to some good things about Islam for political correctness or some other reasons, we don't know.   
We cannot just use some good things about something to defend it; you need to take into account good and bad together to judge anything. A religiously motivated person would only talk about good things to defend his/her religion. When an atheist do that, to praise a religion, I don't see truthfulness in it; rather, I see cowardice and appeasement in this behavior.
This is not the first time I saw this tendency of him; this has been his traits for years. He says he is an atheist, but never defends his view, instead he defends a religion. I have gone through this many times with him in the past.
The truth is - religion is not peaceful; they are all violent. So, when someone tries to prove - his/her religion is peaceful, either he does not know his religion or this is  the propaganda to camouflage the violent nature of his religion.      
Jiten Roy

 

From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 7:59 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] A Copy of the Koran for Subimal Chakrabarty

 
I am posting this in honor of Professor Subimal Chakrabarty for the following post in which he stated, "my knowledge about the Koran is extremely limited.":
 
In this information age, learning about almost anything is possible and free. The following translation of the Koran was certified to be authentic by a religious Muslim friend of mine:
 
 
I hope Professor Chakrabarty would read it, and randomly talk about what are in the Koran. Selecting verses that sound great to praise the religion would be dishonest and a disservice to humanity, especially when too many followers of Islam, including the Islamic State barbarians, try to follow everything. To too many followers, everything in the Koran and Hadit are to be followed, irrespective of where that would take the world/humanity. (Of course, they follow without thinking; they do not have the capacity to think logically.)
 
To me, Najrul. Rabindranath, Gandhi, and many other intellectuals/philosophers/politicians were wrong when they talked about selected good parts of Islam, especially when they failed to ask people to discard the parts that can be used to make the world hell.
 
I am not interested in opening up anyone's holy book to criticize it; I want the followers themselves to try to open up their minds, to do the criticizing themselves, and to be able discard what should be discarded.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
 



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