Judaism is not a religion of peace either. For that matter, religion and peace don't go together. Ablution from past sins of nonviolence can be achieved only through tolerance. Nothing is above criticism, not even God let alone religion.
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On Jan 18, 2015, at 7:45 PM, "'skmirza.mirza' Skmirza.mirza@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Many thanks to both Mr. Asghar and Mr. Anisur Rahman for their pertinent questions asked which need to be answered by Mr. Zamir. Also, Mr. Zamir got plenty of questions from me to answer. Let us wait with our utmost eagerness for his answers to our all questions. Thanks to all for reading our discourse about peaceful Islam!SKMOn Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 1:12 PM, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:Reading Mahfuzur Rahman's (MR) and Syed K Mirza's (SKM) rebuttal to Zahid Zamir's (ZZ) 'opinion' in the Daily Star that Islam is a religion of peace is quite an eye-opener. I have nothing more to add to what MR and SKM had already said in this thread of emails, except putting forward some pertinent questions for ZZ to answer .The first question that I would ask ZZ and the ilk is this: why is it that all the vicious, barbaric acts of terrorism are being committed by Muslims only (in the name of religion)? Other religions do not resort to anything like such barbarity. Admittedly, all Muslims (1500 million) are not terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims. The terrorist Muslims are goaded into barbaric actions by the religion (Islam) to be good Muslims and the religion promises rich rewards in their after-lives. So, if dim-witted illiterate (or even brain-washed literate) people take such exhortations to heart and carry them out, is it not the fault of the religion? Where is peace if the religion dictates 'kill and be killed' in the name of religion?Mr. ZZ, have some decency and common sense to bring out in your write-up the root cause that drives Islamists to such extremes as to kill other human beings to please the all-powerful, all-loving Allah! But for such religious exhortations, these people may not be vicious animals as they are now.- AR
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Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} RE: An article in the Daily Star/ Terrorism and Islam
Dear Mr. Zamir,While I was kind of locked-up with my TV set watching every details of our Islamic jihadis' Monkey dances in Europe, your esteem article (which is rebutted by Mahfuzur Rahman) posted in the Daily Star having most usual Islamic Taqqiyya has caught my attention to this thread one more time. Your article in Daily star perhaps was well received by those super ignorant Bangladeshi Muslims and also all those Taqqiyaa (islamic deception infested) loving Muslims in general. Dr. Mahfuzur Rahman has made quite good rebuttal by some valid points and I thank him for his good job. But, I can see Mr. Zamir needs more truth about the so called peaceful Islam. In short, Mr. Zamir has told some utter lies and distortions and his write-up can be taken as a Hog-wash only, at best. Let me bring some key points for Mr. Zamir to answer to the readers here:Mr. Zamir said: "Some deviated individuals and groups have adopted the method of destruction just to achieve political motives by using the name of the great religion of Islam, thereby blackening Islam in the eyes of many people. They might have Muslim identity, but this dreadful act cannot be labeled as Islamic terrorism just as it cannot be called Jewish terrorism if the perpetrators are Jewish or Christian terrorism if the perpetrators are Christian. That is because murdering innocent people in the name of religion is absolutely unacceptable. Religion preaches love, peace and mercy while terrorism is cruel and merciless, and brings bloodshed as well as misery. "My rseponse: Those Islamic terrorists are never any deviate muslims at all; they are highly devout and Koranic muslims. You are totally wrong and doing only Islamic taqqiyya to delude all westerners as well as ignorant Muslims. Truth is: Koran and Sunnah are the complete and Primary Mannual of Islamic terrorism, period. Please peruse my article attached.Mr. Zamir said: "In Islam, life is considered to be very sacred. The first and the foremost basic right of a human being is the right to live. It has been stated in the Holy Qur'an (Ch5, V.32) that if someone kills an innocent person, it would be as if he had killed the whole of mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole of mankind. "My response: Again you are doing Taqqiyya by mis-quoting verses here. The verse (5:32) is purely a deceptive verse used by most hypocrites of Islam like you to fool the Westerners. This verse was meant to describe historical aspects of Israelites and is nothing to do with the Muslims. Nor does this verse do any abrogation of the hundreds of killing verses came afterwards (while in Medina) to incite random killings (Jihad) of any un-believers by Allah's soldiers called Muslims. Here the verse in full: Quran-5:32- On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.The above verse is purely a deceptive verse used by most hypocrites of Islam to fool the Westerners. This verse was meant to describe historical aspects of Israelites and is nothing to do with the Muslims. Nor does this verse do any abrogation of the hundreds of killing verses came afterwards (while in Medina) to incite random killings (Jihad) of any un-believers by Allah's soldiers called Muslims.Mr. Zamir said: "Terrorism in the name of Islam is not only unislamic and unholy, it is also foolish and unwise. It is foolish because those people who are committing terrorism in the name of religion to draw strength for their political purposes have turned out to be counterproductive. Every time some so-called Muslim individuals or groups commit terrorism, they not only fail to achieve any political gain but also put the lives of millions of innocent Muslims in danger and tarnish the very good image of the great religion of Islam.'My response: Much before 9/11 and right after 9/11 about 30,000 (thirty thousands) cases of terrorism happened killing and maiming tens of thousands of innocent humans around the globe. And almost 100% were done by the Muslims who were devout muslims. 100% terrorsists are either Madrassha stuedents, Mullah , Mufti, Maolana, Imams or someway connected with Mosques, Madrasshas and islamic ceneters. Never ever they were from any other religion nor they were any atheist, homosexuals or mad man either. They were all deboutely Quranic muslims. What is your answer Mr. Zamir?Mr. Zamir said: the Qur'an never condones killing of innocent people. Terrorising defenseless civilians, and the bombing and maiming of innocent men, women, and children are all detestable acts according to Islam."My response: Oh, really? Quran: 9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran. Does this verse sounds lovable to you?Quran-4:74- Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the
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