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[mukto-mona] A glimpse into the dark design - Transcript of ITV Interview with Lt Cols Farooq Rahman (FR) and Abdur Rashid (AR) by Anthony Mascarenhas



A glimpse into the dark design

ITV Interview with Lt Cols Farooq Rahman (FR) and Abdur Rashid (AR) on August 2, 1976 by Anthony Mascarenhas (AM)

A TV Interview with Lt Cols Farooq and Rashid about the first coup in Bangladesh and killing of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman on 15th August 1975 broadcast by the ITV.

Having not been a witness to the coup which none could describe accurately it is possible to have a glimpse from the interviews given by the ringleaders. Thus an interview report received from London is reproduced below. The report is not edited and given as it has been received:

"The following interview with Lt Cols Farooq and Rashid was broadcast by the ITV on 2nd August 1976. They were interviewed by Anthony Mascarenhas of the Sunday Times for the current affairs programme "World in Action."

Narrator: A year ago this month, this man, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman the President of Bangladesh was killed in a military coup. The act was all the more tragic because four years earlier he (had) led his country to independence. (Slogans).

Narrator: Tonight, two Bengali army Officers Lt. Col. Farooq Rahman and Lt. Col. Abdur Rashid tell why they overthrew and killed Mujib, the man who had been called the Father of Bangladesh. (Slogans).

Narrator: One man close to the tragic events in Bangladesh over the last five years as journalist. Anthony Mascarenhas. He himself was a close friend of Sheikh Mujib and it was he who first broke the story of Bangladesh's bloodly struggle for independence over Pakistan in 1971. Tonight he traces the story of last year's coup and talks to the two army officers who murdered Mujib.

A.M. Did you make any effort to make it know to Mujib that this should be changed?
A.R. Well, no, I cannot make any effort because. I am just a junior officer in the army. I have no hand to tell him that you should correct yourself.

A.M. In these circumstances, could you have forced him to resign or was it necessary to kill him?
A.R. As I said earlier on ..........but he is not an administrator, the only thing that he has got a very good quality to agitate the general mass. So he (had) remained alive it would have been very difficult for us to conclude the situation -- he is being more experienced on the political side. (Slogans)

A.R. So just to stay in power he would have done any sort of mischievous act at the cost of even the country.

A.M. So you would think that had Mujib remained alive he would have turned the tables on you?
A.R. Yes, that would have been his first effort.

A.M. So you had to kill him.
A.R. Yes, I had to.
F.R. I decided that he should go, but then in March 1974. I was until then a purely professional soldier, I didn't have any political understanding and one thing I did know was that if you removed him what would happen, what would be the reaction, I had to talk, read a lot, catch up on various, subjects, including economics, because up until that time people had been saying that Bangladesh is not viable State. So, I had to prove to myself that, is it not a viable State or is it because of Sheikh Mujib it is not a viable State.

A.M. Once set on removing Mujib, the young Colonels had to find someone to put in his place. Their obvious choice was a man of their own kind, an army man, so they approached Major General Zia.
F.R. The first obvious choice was General Zia, because, at least, he was not furnished. So after a lot of arrangements I managed to see him on 20th March 1975 in the evening. General Zia said I am a senior officer, I cannot be involved in such things. If you junior officers want to do it, go ahead.

A.M. Did you specifically tell General Zia that your intention was to overthrow Sheikh Mujibur Rahman?
F.R. Remember that I was meeting the Deputy Chief of Army Staff, a Major General, and if I bluntly put it that I wanted to overthrow the President of the country, straightway like that there was a very good chance that he would arrest me with his own guards there and then and put me into jail. I had to go about it a bit roundabout way. Actually, we came around it by saying that (there is) a lot of corruption, everything is going wrong, the country requires a change … Yes, yes let us go outside and talk in the lawns.

A.M. Zia told you this?
F.R. Yes. Then we go up to the lawn and I told him that we are professional soldiers, we serve the country, we do not serve any individual. The army, the civil (service), the Government, everybody is going down the drain. We have to change it, we the junior officers, have already worked it out. We want you support and your leadership; and he said, I am sorry, would not like to get involved in anything like that. If you want to do something, the junior officers should do it themselves.

A.M. He didn't report you to the President, for even suggesting this?
F.R. No, but he did tell his ADC that I was not to do or if I asked for interview anytime, not to be given.

A.M. You mean, after this meeting he let it be known to you that he didn't want to meet you again?
A.M. So the first man to be approached from the army backed out but General Zia waited and watched while the junior officers plotted Mujib's downfall. Within eight months the strategy would pay off. General Zia would be running the country. Denied leadership from the army, the Colonels turn to a civilian and a politician, the man on the left, Khondakar Moshtaque Ahmed.

A.M. Col. Rashid you and Cornel Farooq made Mr. Moshtaque, President after Mujib's death. Did you bring him into the front before that?
A.R. Yes, I had the first talk with him during the first week in August and subsequently I met him on 12th, 13th and 14th.

A.M. Did you discuss the killing of Mujib with him?
A.R. Not the killing, but it has been shown in a way that they are to be removed by force from the power and it may lead to a killing of Sheikh Mujib.

A.M. Could you give me some idea what you talked about?
A.R. Yes, after the discussion I asked him two particulars questions, that according to him, as he was close to Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. I asked him that could you feel that this country can progress under the leadership of Sheikh. He said there is no possibility, and then I asked him that it there was no possibility, as you feel so as another political leader then why didn't you advise him to current him. He said that, for us it is very difficult.

A.M. You mean difficult to remove or difficult to advise him?
A.R. Difficult to remove him and difficult to advise him also.

A.M. Did you give him any indication of what you were planning?
A.R. He said. Well, if somebody had that courage and guts to do it, well, that's a good think probably for the future leaders whom we are going to choose... So we just wanted to know that he had no programme of immediately going outside the country anywhere.

A.M. Did he specifically asked you whether you would be available the next few days?
A.R. Yes.

A.M. Is that what you asked? Is that your intention of going on 13th?
A.R. Yes.

A.M. You didn't give him any idea of the date of the coup?
A.R No… because how could I trust, he also might tell it to Sheikh and become his right-hand.

A.M. Did you get the impression that he was playing along with you?
A.R. Yes.

A.M. So, here was another man, one of Mujib's ministers, also waiting and watching for the big moment when he knew the leader would die.

Farooq and Rashid were ideally placed in Dhaka to carry out the coup. Rashid commanded the 2nd Field Artillery conveniently based in the capital and Farooq led the Bengal Lancers, Bangladesh's only tank regiment. Between them they had more fire power than anything Mujib could hope to muster.

A.M. Did you have any date in mind?
F.R. Then I started thinking when it would be the best but at that time I had already started a series of training, unit training, by which every month, twice every month, we had night-training.

A.M. You are referring to your Bengal Lancers?
F.R. Yes, the Bengal Lancers and the 2nd Field.

A.M. But this was the normal training exercise and nothing specifically to do with the killing of Mujib when this exercise was started?
F.R No, it was specifically with the operation in mind that I started to build up this thing, because you had to start the operation.

Unnecessary movement or unprogrammed activities, suddenly on odd nights, would be noticed, so from March I had started this night-training business so that twice a months.

A.M. Night-training of the tank regiment the Bengal Lancer.
F.R. And also the 2nd Field.

A.M. Coordinated with the 2nd Field Artillery, which is Colonel Rashid's regiment. 
F.R. He had come back from India by that time, and I told him to do it so that if we ever did anything, we would have a convenient time and place which to everybody it would look and sound normal.

A.M. Why did you pick August 15th 1975 as the day for Mujib's assassination?
F.R. First, it was a night-training. 14/15 night was one of the night-training nights. Second, monsoon. In monsoon, Bangladesh is very difficult place to attack, and India, even if it did, would have tied up 6 to 8 India Army Divisions.

A.M. So you thought that if Mujib was removed on 15th August in the middle of the monsoon the Indians couldn't react fast enough. 
F.R. Yes.

A.M. Why did you have India in mind? Did you anticipate some trouble from India?
F.R. Yes, because one of the treaties Sheikh Mujib had signed with India was (that) in case of any trouble he would call in the Indian army.

A.M. So you thought that Sheikh Mujib, before he died, may have summoned the Indian troops to protect him?
A.M. Lancers had the tanks....
A.R. Yes.

A.M. That is all the tanks that Bangladesh had. 
A.R. Yes.

A.M. How many tanks was that?
A.R. That was 20/30 tanks.

A.M. 30 tanks -- how many people involved?
A.R. It was about a total of 700 men.

A. M. 700 men, 30 tanks, how many guns?
A.R. I had about 18 guns?

A.M. What guns were those?
A.R. 105 mm.

A.M. You were planning to overthrow Mujib with 28 tanks, eighteen 105 mm guns and 700 men. 
A.R. Yes. 
F.R. But Colonel Rashid through that it would be better to have some officers with personal grudge. So we got in some of those officers who had been retired prematurely on the 14th, night.

A.M. You bought them into the... on the night of the 14th, that is only hours before Mujib was killed. 
F.R. Yes. They were told that we were planning something. You come to the new airport.

A.M. On the 15th morning between 5.00 and 5.30 you sent your teams out to their allotted targets. What did you do? What role had you assigned yourself?
F.R. My main role was to neutralise any opposition.

A.M. The plotters expected that the opposition would be coming from the Rakshi Bahini, Sheikh Mujib's personal bodyguard. There were 3,000 men of this paramilitary force in Dhaka. But they were armed with only light weapons. So the plan that Colonel Farooq devised was simple. 
F.R. Killing Sheikh Mujib, Serniabat and Sheikh Moni, I was 99% sure that would be achieved. What I have not sure was the aftermath. For that I was used the tanks as a psychological threat.

A.M. How many tanks did you have?
F.R. We had on the road on that day 28 medium tanks.

A.M. And what armaments and ammunition did you have?
F.R. We were not issued with ammunition.

A.M. Do you mean the tanks were unarmed?
F.R. Yes.

A.M. In fact, no ammunition at all in the tanks?
F.R. No.

A.M. How did you … why did you take them out?
F.R. I did not expect that everybody would had common knowledge that we didn't have ammunition. I thought, it would be just a knowledge to a few important people that the tanks didn't have ammunition... I mean it was of game of sheer bluff.

A.M. Colonel Farooq's tanks may have had no ammunition, but the field guns of Colonel Rashid were amply supplied. His guns began firing over the top of Mujib's house. The objective was to over-awe the Rakshi Bahini and to prevent them form going to Mujib's assistance.

A.M. So you moved on the Rakshi Bahini headquarters with 30 tanks.
F.R. I left the garage with 28 tanks, but when I actually came out of the second capital I had only one tank following me when I crossed the airport.

A.M. You lost the other 27?
F.R. Got stuck up some where in the cantonment or in the airport.

A.M. And what did you do?
F.R. I didn't do anything. I just went on -- broke through the wall, the perimeter wall, of the airport, smashed a couple of trees, crossed and I found a brigade of 3,000 Rakshi Bahini lined up, 6-deep. They were battle-equipped, full helmets... and all that sort of things… the driver said, what am I supposed to do, and I said you drive past right 6 "in front of their nose: told the gunner to keep his gun pointed towards them and told the rest of them, the other chaps to look brave, and we just did it like that and those chaps kept on looking at us, and we kept on looking at them and I told the driver if they did start something, you just steer right and drive on.

A.M. So you were going to run over them if any opposition took place?
F.R. That was the only one thing I could think of, there was nothing else I could do.

A.M. So in point of fact, you reduced Sheikh Mujib's private elite force of 3,000 men with a single, unarmed tank?
F.R. Once a troop does not react normally, it takes them quite sometime to react again. As far as I was concerned, psychologically I was sure that they were not going immediately to react. They would, you know, start studying the situation, and once somebody starts studying situation, they didn't take any action.

A.M. So you went on to your other targets.
F.R. I then on to Sheikh Mujib's house. At Sheikh Mujib's house they… stopped me and said that everything is all right.

A.M. All right meaning what that Mujib had been killed?
F.R. Yes. 
... From there I went to the Radio Station to check if the Radio Station had been seized, I saw that the Radio Station was secure. And at the Radio Station Mr. Khondakar Mushtaque had declared himself President and had made some announcement.

A.M. So, the man you selected before the coup, Mr. Moshtaque Ahmed had made himself President?
F.R. I was introduced to him. It was the first time I was introduced to Mr. Mushtaque. He told me to sit down but I was feeling uncertain I had to do regrouping. After a military operation, you have to do regrouping.

A.M. So the first of the men who had quietly waited on the side-lines. Moshtaque Ahmed, became President.
On 15th August when he handed over to Khondaker Moshtaque Ahmed, as new President in succession to Sheikh Mujib, he was 83 days in office. Did he fulfill your expectations?
F.R. No, he, promised, but he did not.

A.M. Did he continue Mujib's polices or did he make a change in them, in the polices?
F.R. He said he would but, he did not at that time.

A.M. On 3 November last year Moshtaque Ahmed was removed by Brigadiar Khaled Musharraf who immediately promoted himself to General. Within four days Brigadiar was dead, killed in yet another military uprising. Then the second man who had bided his time. General Zia, was brought to power. Only this time, for his own safety, he removed Farooq and Rashid. Such is the law of the jungle. They have been kept in exile and Bangladesh's brief history has learned to live with the coup d'etat. After Moshtaque was removed in November 1975 and General Zia, to all intents and purposes, is running the Government has he changed in any way Moshtaque's polices?
F.R. General Zia has done absolutely nothing and he is not capable of doing anything.


http://archive.thedailystar.net/suppliments/2009/righting_the_grievous_wrong/glimps.html

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http://chottala.blogspot.com/2012/08/chottalacom-killer-col-farook-col.html






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সুভাষ সিংহ রায় যথার্থই বলেছেন ,'জিয়াউর রহমান বাংলা পড়তেও পারতেননা , লিখতেও পারতেননা' , উর্দুতে লিখে তিনি বাংলায় ভাষণ দিতেন ! জিয়াউর রহমানের বাংলা ভাষণ শুনলেই মনে হতো যেন "এক অবাঙালি , ভাঙা ভাঙা বাংলায় বক্তব্য দিচ্ছে। জিয়াউর রহমানের বাবার কবর পাকিস্তানে। (খুব কম বাংলাদেশির কবর আছে পাকিস্তানে) ! বাসায় তারা উর্দুতে কথা বলতেন। ১৯৬৫ তে পাক-ভারত যুদ্ধে পাকিস্তানের দ্বিতীয় সর্বোচ্চ খেতাব 'হিলালে জুড়াত' পেয়েছিলেন জিয়া। তাই যেই লোকটি মনে প্রাণে 'পাকিস্তানী' , তিনি কখনই মনেপ্রাণে মুক্তিযোদ্ধা হতে পারেন না। মুক্তিযুদ্ধে জিয়া পাকিস্তানী এজেন্ট হিসাবে যোগ দিয়েছিলেন। তাই তিনি বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারীদের প্রত্যক্ষ মদদ দিয়েছিলেন। বিদেশী দূতাবাসে তাদের চাকুরী দিয়ে পুরস্কৃত করেছিলেন। মন্ত্রী বানিয়েছিলেন কুখ্যাত রাজাকার শাহ আজিজ এবং আব্দুল আলিমকে।
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<<  সুবিদ আলী ভুঁইয়া বারবার তার বইয়ের রেফারেন্স দেন। 'মুক্তিযুদ্ধে নয় মাস' গ্রন্থে সুবিদ আলী ভুঁইয়া লিখেছেন 'বাঙালি সৈনিকেরা বুঝতে পারল এই প্রবল আক্রমণের মুখে তাদের সামান্য লোকবল ও অস্ত্রবল নিয়ে বেশিক্ষণ টিকে থাকা একেবারেই সম্ভব নয়। সুতরাং পিছিয়ে যাওয়াই তখনকার মতো একমাত্র উপায়। কিন্তু শহর ছাড়ার পূর্বে মেজর জিয়া চাইলেন বিশ্ববাসীর কাছে তাদের বিপ্লব ও বিদ্রোহের কথা ঘোষণা করতে। তাদের মুক্তি সংগ্রামের কথা প্রচার করে দিতে। ২৭ শে মার্চের সন্ধ্যায় তিনি চট্টগ্রাম বেতার কেন্দ্র কালুরঘাটে পৌঁছলেন। মেজর জিয়াকে দেখে উৎসাহ-উদ্দীপনায় ফেটে পড়ল বেতার কেন্দ্রের কর্মীরা। কিন্তু মেজর জিয়া কী বলবেন! তিনি বিবৃতির পর বিবৃতি লিখে ছিড়ে ফেলেন, কিন্তু মনমত বিবৃতি তৈরি করতে পারছেন না। ওদিকে বেতারে পুনঃ পুনঃ ঘোষণা করা হচ্ছিল, আর পনেরো মিনিট পরে মেজর জিয়া বেতারে ভাষণ দেবেন। ঘণ্টা দেড়েক চেষ্টার পর তিনি তাঁর সেই ঐতিহাসিক ভাষণটি তৈরি করে নিজেই সেটি ইংরেজিতে ও বাংলায় পাঠ করেন। তবে মেজর জিয়া ওই বেতার ভাষণে নিজেকে 'হেড অব দ্যা স্টেট' অর্থাৎ 'রাষ্ট্রপ্রধান' রূপেই ঘোষণা করেছিলেন। কিন্তু তার পরের দিনই পূর্বের দেওয়া বেতার ভাষণটির সংশোধন করে তিনি ঘোষণা দেন যে, এই মুক্তিযুদ্ধ তিনি চালিয়ে যাচ্ছেন জাতির পিতা বঙ্গবন্ধু শেখ মুজিবুর রহমানের পক্ষ থেকে।' এরপর সুবিদ আলী ভুইয়া লিখেছেন, 'মেজর জিয়ার সেদিনের সংশোধিত ঐতিহাসিক ভাষণটি তাঁর স্ব-কণ্ঠ বাণীবদ্ধকৃত টেপ থেকে নিম্নে তুলে দেওয়া হলো'। এরপর সুবিদ আলী ভুঁইয়া জিয়াউর রহমানের ঘোষণা হিসেবে আট লাইনের লম্বা টেক্সট তুলে ধরেছেন। এত দীর্ঘ উদ্ধৃতি দিলাম, কারণ সুবিদ আলীর বইয়ে তুলে ধরা জিয়াউর রহমানের ঘোষণা এবং এর প্রেক্ষাপটের সঙ্গে ইতিহাসের মিল নেই।  >>>




From: Abdul Mannan <abman1971@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:41 AM
To: Farida Majid
Subject: Re: Fw: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Re: জিয়াই বাংলাদেশের 'প্রথম রাষ্ট্রপতি' ঃ আ. লীগ এমপি সুবিদ আলী ভূইয়া
 

25th night he was on his way for unloading arms from MV Seat for use in Operation Search Light. He went on air on 27th on the insistence of AL League Leaders.


On 19 Aug 2016 06:29, "Farida Majid" <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:

Can someone reconstruct the events leading up to Zia's reading out the Declaration of Independence of Bangladesh on 27th March, 1971?

            It is obvious that Zia and others present at Kalurghat that day had heard Sheikh Mujib's Declaration on the night of 25th March in his own voice (a recording of which has been discovered by Radio Berlin, and is now archived in Muktijuddho Museum).




From: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com> on behalf of RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:33 PM
To: Jalal Uddin Khan
Cc: nabdc group; bangladesh-progressives; Shahadat Hussaini; pfc-friends@googlegroups.com; Shamsher M Chowdhury; Shamsher M Chowdhury; chottala yahoogroups
Subject: {PFC-Friends} Re: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Re: জিয়াই বাংলাদেশের 'প্রথম রাষ্ট্রপতি' ঃ আ. লীগ এমপি সুবিদ আলী ভূইয়া
 

Yes, I watched the Press Conference covered by NTV. SA Bhuiyan read out a brief statement. Clearly, he was not in his element and spoke under duress. He flared out when journalists raised a few relevant questions. He would  quit politics if it could be proved that he had said Ziaur Rahman was the First President of Bangladesh and referred to the recordings of the proceedings. Well, who was he trying to fool? It was reported in the previous days report that the Chairman of the meeting( Shawkat Ali) would remove his statement from the proceedings. 


It reminds me the Awami reaction following  AVM AK Khandakar's assertion in his  book that Sheikh Mujib did not declare independence and that Awami League had no preparation to face the Pakistani crackdown. Poor AVM had to become a "Pakistani Razakar" and quit his post from the Sector Commanders Forum, believed to be a RAW outfit.




From: Jalal Uddin Khan <jukhan@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 3:38 PM
To: RANU CHOWDHURY
Cc: nabdc group; bangladesh-progressives; Shahadat Hussaini; pfc-friends@googlegroups.com; Shamsher M Chowdhury; Shamsher M Chowdhury; chottala yahoogroups
Subject: Re: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Re: জিয়াই বাংলাদেশের 'প্রথম রাষ্ট্রপতি' ঃ আ. লীগ এমপি সুবিদ আলী ভূইয়া
 

Subid Ali retracts: 

কেউ প্রমাণ করতে পারলে রাজনীতি ছেড়ে দেব : সুবিদ আলী

নিজস্ব প্রতিবেদক | আপডেট: ২১:০২, আগস্ট ১৮, ২০১৬

সুবিদ আলী ভূঁইয়াসংসদীয় কমিটির বৈঠকে জিয়াউর রহমানকে বাংলাদেশের প্রথম রাষ্ট্রপতি দাবি করেছেন—এ কথা কেউ প্রমাণ করতে পারলে রাজনীতি ছেড়ে দেবেন বলে জানিয়েছেন সরকার দলীয় সাংসদ সুবিদ আলী ভুঁইয়া।
আজ বৃহস্পতিবার জাতীয় সংসদের মিডিয়া সেন্টারে আয়োজিত এক সংবাদ সম্মেলনে সুবিদ আলী এ কথা বলেছেন।
বুধবার সরকারি প্রতিষ্ঠান সম্পর্কিত সংসদীয় কমিটির বৈঠক শেষে কমিটির সদস্য মুহিবুর রহমান মানিক ও নুরুল মজিদ মাহমুদ হুমায়ুন প্রথম আলোকে বলেছিলেন, বৈঠকে সুবিদ আলী বিএনপির প্রতিষ্ঠাতা জিয়াকে দেশের প্রথম রাষ্ট্রপতি হিসেবে দাবি করেছিলেন।
এ বিষয়ে গণমাধ্যমে প্রকাশিত সংবাদের ব্যাখ্যা দিতে আজ সুবিদ আলী সংবাদ সম্মেলন ডাকেন। সেখানে তিনি বলেন, 'বৈঠকে আমি বলেছি, জিয়াউর রহমান বেতার ভাষণে ভুল করে নিজেকে হেড অব স্টেট (রাষ্ট্র প্রধান) ঘোষণা করেছিলেন। পরে বঙ্গবন্ধু শেখ মুজিবুর রহমানের পক্ষে ঘোষণা দেন। তখন একজন সদস্য বলেন, আপনি কি বলতে চান জিয়াই প্রথম রাষ্ট্রপতি? আমি তাঁকে পাল্টা প্রশ্ন করি জিয়া কি কখনো তাঁর জীবদ্দশায় এমন দাবি করেছিলেন? বাস্তবে জিয়াকে প্রথম রাষ্ট্রপতি দাবি করে আমি কোনো কথা বলিনি। অন্যদের উদ্ধৃতি দিয়ে আমাকে জড়িয়ে যে সংবাদ ছাপা হয়েছে তা উদেশ্য প্রণোদিত, মিথ্যা ও বানোয়াট।'

সুবিদ আলী আরও বলেন, এই বিতর্কের মাধ্যমে আমাকে ও আমার দলকে হেয় প্রতিপন্ন করা হয়েছে।

জিয়া বাংলাদেশের প্রথম রাষ্ট্রপতি কি না-সাংবাদিকদের এ প্রশ্নের জবাবে সুবিদ আলী বলেন, 'ভুল করে বলে ফেলেছিলেন। এম আর খান সাহেব ঠিক করে দেন...আসলে কী বলতে গিয়ে কী বলে ফেলেছেন। ইনটেনশনাল না। আমার বইতে আছে।'

সংসদীয় কমিটির সদস্যরাই বিষয়টি গণমাধ্যমকে জানিয়েছেন—এ বিষয়ে জানতে চাইলে সুবিদ আলী বলেন, 'কে কী বলেছে, আমি কিছু জানি না। আই অ্যাম ভেরি সারপ্রাইজড। যে এটা করছে সে না বুইঝা করছে। জিয়াকে প্রথম রাষ্ট্রপতি বলবো কেন? তখনতো সরকারই হয়নি।'

কমিটির যেসব সদস্য গণমাধ্যমে এসব তথ্য দিয়েছেন, তাঁদের বিরুদ্ধে ব্যবস্থা নেবেন কি না জানতে চাইলে সুবিদ আলী বলেন, 'আমার আর খাইয়া-দাইয়া কাজ নাই। রাজনীতি করলে লোকে এমন বলবেই। কে আমার সম্পর্কে কী বলল আমি জানি না। না জেনে বলতে পারছি না। গণমাধ্যম যদি দিয়ে থাকে না জেনে দিয়েছে।' এ পর্যায়ে ছেলে (দাউদকান্দি উপজেলার চেয়ারম্যান) মোহাম্মদ আলী অনেকটা জোর করে সুবিদ আলীকে মঞ্চ থেকে নামিয়ে নিয়ে যান।

সুবিদ আলীর সংবাদ সম্মেলনের বিষয়ে জানতে চাইলে নুরুল মজিদ মাহমুদ হুমায়ুন প্রথম আলোকে বলেন, আলোচ্যসূচির বাইরে এই আলোচনা হয়েছে। তিনি জিয়াকে প্রথম রাষ্ট্রপতি বলেই দাবি করেছিলেন। এখন হয়তো বিষয়টি নিয়ে বিব্রত।

মুক্তিযুদ্ধে জিয়াউর রহমানের সঙ্গে যুদ্ধ করা সুবিদ আলী ভূঁইয়া ১৯৯১ সালে বিএনপি সরকারের আমলে সেনাবাহিনীর প্রিন্সিপাল স্টাফ অফিসার (পিএসও) ছিলেন। তিনি তাঁর 'মুক্তিযুদ্ধে নয় মাস' বইয়ে লিখেছেন, কালুরঘাট বেতারকেন্দ্রে জিয়াউর রহমান ঘণ্টা দেড়েক চেষ্টা করে তাঁর ঐতিহাসিক ভাষণটি তৈরি করেন। তবে মেজর জিয়া ওই ভাষণে নিজেকে হেড অব দি স্টেট-অর্থাৎ রাষ্ট্রপ্রধান রূপে ঘোষণা করেছিলেন। পরের দিন সংশোধন করে বলেন, মুক্তিযুদ্ধ তিনি চালিয়ে যাচ্ছেন জাতির পিতা বঙ্গবন্ধু শেখ মুজিবুর রহমানের পক্ষে।


2016-08-18 9:16 GMT+04:00 Jalal Uddin Khan <jukhan@gmail.com>:

I just wish the news was covered by the mainstream media,  which obviously ignored it. But at least Naya Diganta, Jugantor,  Manabzamin, Jai Jai Din, Dinkal should have let it surface.

On Aug 18, 2016 8:36 AM, "RANU CHOWDHURY" <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:

আমার মনে আছে, বছর কয়েক আগে তৎকালীন বি, এন. পি ভাইস প্রেসিডেন্ট শমশের মুবিন চৌধুরী জেনারেল সুবিদ আলী ভূইয়াঁকে চ্যালেঞ্জ করে বলেছিলেন যে তিনি যদি সৎ হয়ে থাকেন তবে তিনি (ভূইয়াঁ ) মুখ খুলে বলুন সেদিন (২৬/২৭ মার্চ, ১৯৭১)  কীভাবে, কোন পরিস্থিতিতে জিয়াউর রহমান কী বলে স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণা দিয়েছিলেন। কারণ, ঘোষণার সময় সুবেদ আলী উপস্থিত ছিলেন। সেখানে কোনো রাজনৈতিন নেতা তখন ছিলোনা। এ প্রেক্ষিতে হাসি পায় কিছু আওয়ামী নেতাদের জ্ঞানের বহর দেখে  তারা  জিয়াকে পাকিস্তানি চর বলে দোষ দেয়। ) 

প্রথম ঘোষণায় জিয়াউর রহমান নিজ নামে, নিজেকে স্বধীন বাংলাদেশের অস্থায়ী প্রেসিডেন্ট হিসাবে বলেন। এবং স্বাধীনতা যুদ্ধে ঝাঁপিয়ে পড়ে  হানাদার পাকিস্তানী বাহিনীকে পরাস্ত করার জন্য উদাত্ত আহ্ববান জানান। ইতিপূর্বে এমন ঘোষণা কেউ শোনেওনি, পড়েওনি দেখেওনি।  

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Subject: {NA Bangladeshi Community} জিয়াই বাংলাদেশের 'প্রথম রাষ্ট্রপতি' ঃ আ. লীগ এমপি সুবিদ আলী ভূইয়া
 

সত্য প্রকাশিত হবেই, লুকিয়ে রাখতে পারবেনা কেহই 
Shahadat Suhrawardy


জিয়াই বাংলাদেশের 'প্রথম রাষ্ট্রপতি' ঃ আ. লীগ এমপি সুবিদ আলী ভূইয়া

জিয়াউর রহমানকে বাংলাদেশের 'প্রথম রাষ্ট্রপতি' বলার মতো বিতর্কিত বক্তব‌্য এবার এল খোদ আওয়ামী লীগের এক সংসদ সদস‌্যের কাছ থেকে।

বুধবার একটি সংসদীয় কমিটির বৈঠকে একথা বলার পর তীব্র সমালোচনার মুখে পড়েন সুবিদ আলী ভূইয়া। তার আওয়ামী লীগে থাকা নিয়েও প্রশ্ন তোলা হয় বৈঠকে অংশ নেওয়া একাধিক সংসদ সদস‌্য জানিয়েছেন।

বর্তমান সংসদে প্রতিরক্ষা মন্ত্রণালয় সম্পর্কিত সংসদীয় কমিটির সভাপতি সুবিদ আলী বিএনপি চেয়ারপাসন খালেদা জিয়া প্রধানমন্ত্রী থাকার সময় তার প্রিন্সিপাল স্টাফ অফিসার (পিএসও) ছিলেন।

চাকরি থেকে অবসর নেওয়ার পর বিএনপির মনোনয়ন চেয়েও না পেয়ে ২০০১ সালে কুমিল্লার দাউদকান্দি ((কুমিল্লা-১) থেকে স্বতন্ত্র প্রার্থী হিসেবে সংসদ নির্বাচনে প্রতিদ্বন্দ্বিতা করে হেরেছিলেন তিনি।

এরপর তিনি আওয়ামী লীগে যোগ দিয়ে ২০০৮ সালে নৌকা প্রতীকের প্রার্থী হয়ে বিএনপির প্রভাবশালী নেতা খন্দকার মোশাররফ হোসেনকে হারিয়ে সংসদ সদস‌্য হন।

নবম সংসদে বিদ‌্যুৎ, জ্বালানি ও খনিজ সম্পদ মন্ত্রণালয় সম্পর্কিত সংসদীয় কমিটির সভাপতির দায়িত্ব পাওয়ার পর এবার দশম সংসদে ফের নির্বাচিত হয়ে প্রতিরক্ষা মন্ত্রণালয় সম্পর্কিত কমিটির সভাপতি হন সুবিদ আলী।

জিয়ার ছেলে তারেক রহমান গত বছর তার বাবাকে বাংলাদেশের 'প্রথম রাষ্ট্রপতি' বলার পর তীব্র সমালোচনার মধ‌্যে পড়েন। তার বক্তব‌্য-বিবৃতি প্রচারে পরে আদালতের নিষেধাজ্ঞাও আসে।

এরপর সম্প্রতি ঢাকা বিশ্ববিদ‌্যালয়ের প্রতিষ্ঠাবার্ষিকীর এক প্রকাশনায় জিয়াকে 'প্রথম রাষ্ট্রপতি' লেখা হলে তা নিয়ে ব‌্যাপক সমালোচনা হয়। 

বুধবার সংসদ ভবনে সরকারি প্রতিষ্ঠান কমিটির বৈঠকে ঢাকা বিশ্ববিদ‌্যালয়ের ঘটনাটি নিয়ে আলোচনার মধ‌্যে সুবিদ আলী ওই বক্তব‌্য দেন বলে কমিটির একাধিক সদস‌্য বিডিনিউজ টোয়েন্টিফোর ডটকমকে জানান।

নাম প্রকাশ না করার শর্তে কমিটির এক সদস্য বিডিনিউজ টোয়েন্টিফোর ডটকমকে বলেন, "সুবিদ আলী ওই কথা বলার পর কমিটির অন্য সদস্যদের সঙ্গে তার উত্তপ্ত বাক্য বিনিময় হয়। তখন কমিটির সভাপতি শওকত আলীর হস্তক্ষেপে পরিস্থিতি ঠাণ্ডা হয়।

"অন্য সদস্যরা ভর্ৎসনা করে বলেন, তিনি (সুবিদ আলী) আওয়ামী লীগের আদর্শ ধারণ করেন না। কেবল এমপি হওয়ার সুযোগ নিতে তিনি এই দলে আছেন।"

"মুহিবুর রহমান, নুরুল মজিদ হুমায়ুন, আবদুর রউফ ও নাভানা আক্তার সুবিদ আলীর তীব্র সমালোচনা করেন। তাদের একজন তো বলেই বসেন, 'আপনি তো জিয়ারই সৈনিক। আপনার আসনে বিএনপির বড় নেতা মোশাররফ হোসেন, তাই আপনি বিএনপির মনোনয়ন পান না। এমপি হওয়ার জন্য আপনি এখন আওয়ামী লীগের সঙ্গে আছেন।"

এ বিষয়ে কথা বলতে বিডিনিউজ টোয়েন্টিফোর ডটকমের পক্ষ থেকে সুবিদ আলী ভূইয়ার মোবাইলে কল করা হলে প্রথমে তা কেটে দেওয়া হয়। পরে একাধিকবার কল করা হলেও তা ধরেননি তিনি।

মুজিব কোট পরা এই সুবিদ আলী ভূইয়া এবার সমালোচনার মুখে মুজিব কোট পরা এই সুবিদ আলী ভূইয়া এবার সমালোচনার মুখে

বৈঠকে উত্তপ্ত বাক্যবিনিময়ের কথা স্বীকার করে কমিটির সদস্য সুনামগঞ্জের আওয়ামী লীগ সংসদ সদস্য মুহিবুর রহমান মানিক বিডিনিউজ টোয়েন্টিফোর ডটকমকে বলেন, "আজ বিশ্ববিদ্যালয় মঞ্জুরি কমিশন নিয়ে আলোচনা ছিল। আমি ইউজিসির চেয়ারম্যানের কাছে জানতে চেয়েছিলাম, ১ জুলাই ঢাকা বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ের প্রতিষ্ঠা বার্ষিকীতে প্রকাশিত স্মরণিকাতে জিয়াউর রহমানকে বাংলাদেশের প্রথম রাষ্ট্রপতি হিসেবে উল্লেখ করা হয়েছে। শিক্ষামন্ত্রীর মতে বিশ্ববিদ্যালয় স্বায়ত্তশাসিত হওয়ায় তাদের হস্তক্ষেপের সুযোগ নেই। কিন্তু ইউজিসি তো এই বিষয়ে ব্যাখ্যা চাইতে পারে।

"আলোচনার এ পর্যায়ে ইউজিসির চেয়ারম্যান কিছু বলার আগেই সুবিদ আলী বলে ওঠেন, জিয়াই বাংলাদেশের প্রথম রাষ্ট্রপতি। এটা তিনি তার বইতেও লিখেছেন।"

মানিক বলেন, "তখন আমি বলেছি বিএনপি যে সেটেলড ইস্যু নিয়ে বিতর্ক করতে চায়, আপনিও (সুবিদ) যদি সেই একই বিষয় নিয়ে কথা তোলেন তাহলে কী দাঁড়াল?"

বৈঠকে উপস্থিত একাধিক সদস্য বিডিনিউজ টোয়েন্টিফোর ডটকমকে জানান, সমালোচনার মুখেও সুবিদ আলী তার অবস্থানে অনড় ছিলেন।

মানিক বলেন, "আমি বৈঠকে বলেছি, কিছুদিন আগে আমাদের নেতা সৈয়দ আশরাফুল ইসলাম বলেছিলেন ছাত্রলীগে শিবির অনুপ্রবেশ করেছে। এখন দেখছি সুবিদ আলীর মতো সুবিধা নিতে বর্তমানে আওয়ামী লীগ ও তার সহযোগী সংগঠনে জামায়াত-শিবিরসহ অন্য মতাদর্শের অনেকেই ঢুকে পড়েছেন। এদের শনাক্ত করা উচিৎ।"

এবিষয়ে কমিটির সভাপতি শওকত আলী বিডিনিউজ টোয়েন্টিফোর ডটকমকে বলেন, "সুবিদ আলী ভূইয়ার সঙ্গে অন্য সদস্যদের যে বিতর্ক হয়েছে, সেটা আলোচ্যসূচির বিষয় ছিল না। তাই বৈঠকের কার্যবিবরণী থেকে এ আলোচনা বাদ দেওয়া হবে।"

ঢাকা বিশ্ববিদ্যালয় থেকে ইসলামের ইতিহাস ও সংস্কৃতি বিষয়ে স্নাতক ডিগ্রি নিয়ে সুবিদ আলী ১৯৬৬ সালে পাকিস্তান সেনাবাহিনীতে যোগ দিয়েছিলেন। ১৯৬৯ সালে ক্যাপ্টেন হিসেবে চট্টগ্রামে ইস্ট বেঙ্গল রেজিমেন্টে বদলি হন, যেখানে জিয়াউর রহমানও ছিলেন।

একাত্তরে মুক্তিযুদ্ধের শুরুতে জিয়ার অধীনেই যুদ্ধ করেছিলেন সুবিদ আলী। জিয়ার স্ত্রী খালেদা জিয়া ১৯৯১-৯৬ সাল পর্যন্ত প্রধানমন্ত্রীর দায়িত্ব পালনের সময় পিএসও ছিলেন তিনি।

১৯৯৫ সালে ভারতের পশ্চিমবঙ্গের পুরুলিয়ায় বিমান থেকে বিপুল পরিমাণ অস্ত্র ও গোলাবারুদ ফেলে আলোড়ন সৃষ্টির ঘটনায়ও সুবিদ আলীর সম্পৃক্ততার অভিযোগ রয়েছে।

তখন ওই অস্ত্র চোরাচালানে বাংলাদেশ সেনাবাহিনীর 'নথিপত্র' ব‌্যবহার করা হয়েছিল বলে ভারতের প্রখ্যাত অনুসন্ধানী প্রতিবেদক চন্দন নন্দী লিখেছিলেন।

তিনি লেখায় বলা হয়, কিম ডেভি নামের এক ডেনিশ নাগরিক বুলগেরিয়া থেকে অস্ত্র পরিবহনের জন্য ওই বিমানটি ব্যবহার করছিলেন। অস্ত্রের চালান আনার জন্য যে 'এন্ড ইউজার সার্টিফিকেট' (4021/1/AA/ARMY/ASL (P) 2) তিনি ব্যবহার করছিলেন, তাতে মেজর জেনারেল সুবিদ আলী ভূঁইয়ার সই ছিল।

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"I have to disagree with KC on what he calls "Islamic Syndrome" or "Islamic Virus". In fact, it is the "Virus of the Mind" regardless of religion….."

 

With all the due respect I would like to disagree with the name of "virus" we are talking about. We all know that there is actually no real virus discovered yet for this disease caused by only Islam. But, this terrible "syndrome" is more acute and dangerous among the Muslims only and that is why we named it "Islamic virus" hypothetically. Most importantly, I do not think it shows the same syndromes to the people of all religions. It only shows very acute and deadly syndromes among the Muslims only. Hence, the name "Islamic virus" rightly justifying it.  By the way, the story of the inter-actions between AR with his mother was very interesting indeed. I enjoyed it very much. This is the typical symptom of Islamic virus among the most non-Arab guardians of muslims.Thanks.

 

KC

 

 

From: ANISUR RAHMAN [mailto:anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 5:15 PM
To: Khurshed Chowdhury; 'Msa40'; shahdeeldar@gmail.com; bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com
Cc: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com; mahfuzur@aol.com; abul88@hotmail.com; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} Re: Anjem Choudary guilty of inviting IS support

 

I have to disagree with KC on what he calls "Islamic Syndrome" or "Islamic Virus". In fact, it is the "Virus of the Mind" regardless of religion (which Richard Dawkins calls it 'meme') which when it gets into the mind (read brain), it remains there. In fact, MA has very rightly pointed out that childhood is the best (or worst) time to infect brain with this virus. Once such religious virus gets there, it is very difficult to eradicate it. Islam reinforces it five times a day and in Ramadan month throughout the whole month. So from Muslim minds (or more accurately, devout Muslim minds) it is well-nigh impossible to eradicate. 

 

Let me give you an amusing story. When I was in Class IX (in the late 50's), one day my mum came to tell me (probably hoping to persuade me to become a Hafez) that none of her children had become a "real person" (she meant 'manush'). I asked her what did she mean by that? 

She told me, "You all learn English. Can you speak with God?" 

I said, "Why not? Does not God speak English?". 

She said, "No, God only speaks Arabic." 

Then I said, "Instead of all of us learning Arabic, why don't you ask God to take the trouble to learn English?" 

My mum was literally thunder struck. She immediately started praying to God, begging his forgiveness for my disrespect to him. She said, I would be burnt alive, I would not have any education whatsoever, I would be a landless farmer etc.

I was totally shocked by her reaction. I stood there for a while as she started reciting Quranic verses furiously to save me from God's wrath. Then I said, "Mum, I am going out to play football and then ran off" leaving my mum to sort out the problem with God.  

 

This is what virus can do to human mind. Every individual is good at heart, but the mind can be badly contaminated by religion. That is the problem.

 

- AR

 

On Friday, 19 August 2016, 19:55, Khurshed Chowdhury <chowdhuryk@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Mr. MA,

 

Entire thing you said below is known as: "Islamic Syndrome"—an age old disease caused by Islamic virus. This virus infects Muslims only. Even some one converted (like Barak Hussein Obama) also can get infected by this Islamic virus. That is why Obama cannot utter 'Islamic terrorism' or radical Islam etc. And, very pecuiliarly, when any terrorism happened in America or anywhere in the western world—Obama usually returned to the White House and called some Muslim Brother Hood Hypocrites and some Members of CAIR to give them good news that they will be Okay! This is all because of heavy strength of Islamic virus. Massaallah!!!

 

KC

 

 

From: Msa40 [mailto:msa40@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 12:00 PM
To: shahdeeldar@gmail.com; bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com
Cc: anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com; chowdhuryk@gmail.com; pfc-friends@googlegroups.com; mahfuzur@aol.com; abul88@hotmail.com; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} Re: Anjem Choudary guilty of inviting IS support

 

 

 

"There may be some truth in what you say." Dr. Anisur Rahman.

 

Some of my in-laws still live in India. My wife and I have visited them quite often. We have seen that when Pakistani and India were playing their cricket matches, Muslims in their neighborhood fasted, and continuously prayed to Allah for the Pakistan team's success against India. When the Pakistani team won, they thanked Allah and distributed sweetmeat among their Muslims neighbors.

 

But when the Indian team won, they beat their chests (called maatam), complained to Allah why He made it successful against the Muslims!

 

We have seen our own relatives fighting for Pakistan and defending it in family discussions. When asked why they don't go to Pakistan to 

live there forever, nobody appeared willing to do so. They liked what India offers them and they enjoy living here, but they hated it for winning 

against Pakistan!

 

To me, it is a psychological matter. They believe Pakistan represents Islam and, therefore, it is their duty to stand for and defend Pakistan even though they won't ever like to live in this Islamic paradise!

 

I lived my childhood in Calcutta, and went to a school which had the word "Islamia" in its name. Here, the management closed the school's main gate which was very tall and we children saluted the Pakistani flag and sang its anthem before going to our classes. This used to happen in the mid 1950s. It is a whole truth and an absolute truth!

 

During my visits to Jakarta, Indonesia, I heard people telling their young kids that the people of Saudi Arabia are a blessed people and that they are closer to Allah than they were. This lesson is imparted to young children in Madrassas and they grow up with this lesson imprinted on their

minds. And as you know, most of what we learned from our parents when we were growing up, we can hardly shake off from our memory in our later days! It lingers on in our minds until our death!!

 

Remember Pres. Obama bowing down before the King of Saudi Arabia whose power base lies in the American hands?

 

President Obama lived his early days in Indonesia!!

 

 

-MA

 

 

 

 

 

 

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To: bangladesh-progressives googlegroups <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
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Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2016 6:40 am
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Many of our people have basically no self respect and dignity. That is why we are always ready to adopt a primitive culture and tradition instead of sticking to our thousand years of civilization and enriching it to further. How can we follow a foreign Bedouin culture and language and make them better? Why should that be our burden to prove ourselves as worthy Muslims? A good Muslim can't be a good evolutionary biologist/scientist because these two positions are mutually exclusive?

With critical thing gone through the window, I see a grim picture of monkeys following monkeys. Not sure to what end and benefits?

 

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 5:19 AM, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:

Very funny, MA. There may be some truth in what you say. 

 

But my question is, why do Bangladeshis (as well as Pakistanis / Afghans) like Middle Eastern people (liars, exploiters, sex maniacs etc) so much? They call Bangladeshis "miskins" (beggars), kick them at will, treat them like dogs and still the Bangladeshis like to obey them, treat them as masters and feel happy to be their slaves. Why, oh why? 

 

As a nuclear scientist of high repute and an author of graduate text books, I have solved many a problem in science and technology. But on this issue, I am totally clueless and bowled out.

 

- AR

 

On Friday, 19 August 2016, 2:26, Msa40 <msa40@aol.com> wrote:

 

 

Some time ago, I asked one Indian Sikh retired Brigadier General: why Indians hate British so much but hardly ever criticize the Moghuls?

 

He asked me how many wives did Emperor Akbar have? I could not answer. He told me:

 

Akbar had over 5,000 wives from almost all over India and how many wives did the English rulers have?

 

None. So Mughals were the sons-in-law of the Indians and the English rulers were not; they did no equip themselves with this honor. So who do

you think the Indians should have their love and affection for?

 

He made me speechless!!

 

-MA

 

 

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From: Khurshed Chowdhury <chowdhuryk@gmail.com>
To: 'Msa40' <msa40@aol.com>; anisur.rahman1 <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com>; pfc-friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>
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Sent: Thu, Aug 18, 2016 5:11 pm
Subject: RE: {PFC-Friends} Re: Anjem Choudary guilty of inviting IS support

Everything said about British India by Mr. Asghar is damn correct. But, Muslims learn from the Islamic text only to hate all other religions. Hence, Muslims in British India fell behind because they refused to study English the language of filthy Kaffirs. Sir Syed Ahmed was half Kaffir and he tried to save Muslims from the sure peril. But Indian Muslims did not forget to blame Hindus and  British for their own mistake. Massaallah!!!

 

KC

 

 

From: Msa40 [mailto:msa40@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 3:45 PM
To: anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com; pfc-friends@googlegroups.com
Cc: chowdhuryk@gmail.com; bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com; mahfuzur@aol.com; abul88@hotmail.com; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} Re: Anjem Choudary guilty of inviting IS support

 

 

"But the government cannot force the immigrants to go to training/ education centres to learn English, to get skills, to embrace culture and

etiquette to succeed in the job market etc. If they do, they would be charged as running a "NANNY STATE". " Dr. Anisur Rahman.

 

Sir,

 

My English is not good and my knowledge of history and current affairs of the world is insufficient. However, if you and others in the list do

not mind, I may add the following to what you have said in your above quoted FB posting:

 

During the British rule over India, most Muslims refused to learn English and preferred Arabic, Urdu and Persian to it. This refusal originated

from their belief that English was the language of the Kafir and that learning it was a great sin. This belief was bolstered by the preaching of

their preachers in whom they had reposed all of their faith - a situation that still persists in most of the Muslims!

 

Additionally, they believed that Arabic was the language of Allah and Urdu and Persian the languages of their Muslim rulers. Memorizing

what is written in the Quran -they believed - brought them immense sawab that would secure them berths in heaven in their next life, while

learning Urdu and Persian would keep them close to their past rulers!

 

Many Hindus, on the other hand, learned English and got jobs in the government and private institutions run by the English speaking people.

Consequently, they prospered and were able to impart higher education through English medium to their children. Muslims denied these

opportunities to themselves and to their children and blamed the English rulers for their economic and social plights - a situation that still exists

among many of the Indian Muslims!

 

Sir Syed Ahmad recognized this problem and he established a school in Aligarh where the medium of education was English. Muslims promptly

labeled him a Kafir. He had to flee from India to save his life. His school is now known as the Muslim Aligarh University!

 

In those days, even wearing a neck-tie was deemed to be a great sin by the Muslims!!

 

 

-Mohammad Asghar

 

 

 

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Sent: Thu, Aug 18, 2016 7:01 am
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It so happens that I am exchanging views in the FB on this very issue at the moment. My FB friend posted a topic from the BBC News webpage that "Ethnic minorities face 'entrenched' racial inequality" in Britain. 

My answer to this was as follows:

It is a chicken and egg situation. The Pakistani/ Ethiopian/ Somali/ Bangladeshi and so forth immigrants come to this country (or any other country in the West) and very soon get sucked into their respective ghettos. They are happy staying there and follow the well trodden path - go to the mosques and keep praying for God's handouts and, of course, blame the British government for racial discrimination. They don't make efforts to break out of the cocoon and improve their lots. Whether it is their economic deprivation that leads them to blind religious alley or the religious blindness stops them from embracing the opportunities in life is debatable. It may be that one feeds into another and they go down to the bottom of the pit. But notice that the Jews previously and the Indians now are not like the Muslim immigrants. They embrace the new culture and flourish. It is the Muslim immigrants or vast majority of them (from whichever country they may be) are problematic.

 

My FB friend replied:

 I remember in the sixties there were arguments about lack of action on the part of the UK government to absorb new immigrants into mainstream society. In some European countries attempts were made to push new immigrants for integration. I agree bulk of the responsibility for integration falls on the immigrants, but the government must provide adequate support system. There should be orientation for new immigration. They should be told right at the beginning that they must adapt to the culture of the country or go back where they came from. 

 

My response to this was:

Yes, the government can create a favourable environment for the immigrants to succeed. But the government cannot force the immigrants to go to training/ education centres to learn English, to get skills, to embrace culture and etiquette to succeed in the job market etc. If they do, they would be charged as running a "NANNY STATE". It is the responsibility of the immigrants to go out and seek out the opportunities - in skills, training, education etc; as much as they seek out all types of social security, child allowance, housing benefits etc. 

 

If you want to contribute to this debate you are welcome. Alternatively you can join as FB friends.

 

- AR 

 

On Thursday, 18 August 2016, 14:31, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Thank you for providing us a clearer picture of UK. It looks like all is not lost yet. It is rather sad to see that these lowlifes love to  migrate to other countries but would love create the very same ghettos as they have had in their home countries. What can a civil society do? Start a massive affirmative action to enlighten these people, who are hellbent to oppose the progress and system?
This is like a total self defeating act with no goal and honor.  

 

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 4:47 AM, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:

I do agree with the general sentiments expressed by MA. But I do positively disagree with him when he says that there are areas in Britain where non-Muslims are banned from going and Pakistani vigilantes patrol the streets to enforce that ban. I have been living in the UK for over 46 years now and I travelled up and down the country quite extensively. I can assure MA that there is NO SUCH PLACE in the UK. If he can cite just one such place, I will bring that up with the relevant authorities and any such presumed "vigilante groups" will be brought to an end. 

 

There are of course Pakistani ghettos, as much as there are Bangladeshi ghettos, Somalian ghettos etc. Some of those areas (no more than one or two streets) are so depressing and deprived that people would not like to go. But anybody has the right to go and nobody can prevent others from going. In other words, there are no "no-go" areas in Britain. There were some "no-go" areas in Brussels, but the authorities are dismantling those areas.

 

Yes, there are Pakistani ghettos. Pakistanis live there as if they are living in Pakistan, going to the mosques are their preoccupation and once a week they go to collect their unemployment benefits. They live in, what I call, "self generated apartheid enclaves". If they want to live in seclusion as the underclass of the society, hated and despised by civilised people, let them live there. But if someone wants to go that area, no Pakistani or any other person has the right to stop that. That is the bottom line.

 

- AR   

 

On Wednesday, 17 August 2016, 17:06, Msa40 <msa40@aol.com> wrote:

 

 

 

"If Brits are pushed to a corner in their own turf, mobs and vigilantes may take the laws in their own hands."

 

It is a possibility, but we must remember that Britain and other Western Nations are in the grip of a "politically correct syndrome" and the law

enforcers would do everything possible to protect the Muslims. We must also remember that there are areas in Britain where non-Muslims

are forbidden from going and Muslim vigilantes patrol the streets to ensure the ban. There is a city in Britain where Pakistanis live as if they

are living in Pakistan!

 

Sadiq Khan was elected not by the Muslims alone. He is in office due to non-Muslims, who are still in majority in London. And this happened

despite the fact that London had suffered a few terrorist attacks before he became its Mayor!

 

I think until the mainstream media in England and elsewhere start reporting the plight of the local non-Muslim citizens, British people are not

likely to wake up from their slumber into which they have been put by their leaders. Tony Blair played a major role in putting his people into

a long sleep!

 

West needs leaders who can speak the truth and not be afraid to lose in election. Until this happens, West would continue to suffer at the

hands of the terrorists and the severity of their sufferings would multiply with the passage of time!!

 

 

-MA

 

 

 

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From: Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>
To: Khurshed Chowdhury <chowdhuryk@gmail.com>
Cc: Msa40 <msa40@aol.com>; mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>; pfc-friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com> ; bangladesh-progressives googlegroups <bangladesh-progressives@ googlegroups.com>
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With the same breath, I can also say that the patience is running very thin when these people are openly propagating hatred and destruction of the west and its civil institutions. If Brits are pushed to a corner in their own turf, mobs and vigilantes may take the laws in their own hands. So, deport or no deport, Brits had it enough with these scoundrels. If they face another attack from these lunatics, all bets would be off. I bet Sadiq Khan is pretty nervous about the next one if I am not mistaken. 

 

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Khurshed Chowdhury <chowdhuryk@gmail.com> wrote:

Very well said by Mr. Asghar. Britain will not deport these Jihadists for fear of violating their ridiculous human rights BS. They will rather keep these Islamists in their prison and will supply them milk and honey so that—these jihadists can perform their duties of serving Islam better! Massaallah!!!

 

 

KC

 

From: msa40@aol.com [mailto:msa40@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 2:31 PM
To: Shah DeEldar; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; pfc-friends@googlegroups.com; bangladesh-progressives googlegroups
Cc: Khurshed Chowdhury
Subject: Re: Anjem Choudary guilty of inviting IS support

 

Britain may not deport them anywhere citing fear of their execution, instead it will put them in jail so that they can influence its inmates at the cost of the tax payers money!!

 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 

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From: Shah DeEldar

Date : Tue, Aug 16, 2016 9:59 AM

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Cc: Msa40;Khurshed Chowdhury;

Subject:Anjem Choudary guilty of inviting IS support

 

It is about time to have gloves off. These characters do not belong to the Western society. Deport him to land of pure and honey! Nobody will miss such POS!

 

 

 

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