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Sunday, February 19, 2017

[mukto-mona] ভাষাসংগ্রামীর আত্মনিবেদনের কথা



একুশের চেতনা ভাবীকালেও অব্যাহত থাকবে বলে মনে করেন ভাষা আন্দোলনে বিশেষ অবদান রাখার জন্য একুশে পদক-২০১৭ পেতে যাওয়া ভাষাসৈনিক অধ্যাপক ড. শরিফা খাতুন। তিনি ঢাকা বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ের শিক্ষা ও গবেষণা ইনস্টিটিউটে কর্মরত। বাঙালির গৌরবোজ্জ্বল এ অর্জনের নেপথ্যে থাকা অদম্য সাহসী এ ভাষাসংগ্রামীর আত্মনিবেদনের কথা তুলে ধরছেন নাসরিন শওকত

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Subject: {PFC-Friends} Fw: yama
 
 
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Thank you Arif, for the links!
From: Arif Sayeed <asayeed@cortexconsulting.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 5:22 PM
To: Huda, Safiul
Cc: Ahmad, Ahrar; Barkat; Helali; Iqbal; Khurshid Alam; Nawaz; Nosher; Zulfiqar Sadeque; sajidisp@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: yama
 
By the way, I don't think I  sent you this story but the story is very much in line with what you are saying re people coming out in support and protesting their government's actions.  But then even in rabidly right-wing Texas there is the rule of law, especially for white people, which emboldens them to come out and protest. I doubt if people anywhere in BD would do that to protest mistreatment of Biharis or Hindus, but then they would risk far, far more. Check it out…

More detail on the Austin story here…
www.texastribune.org
Participants in Tuesday's Texas Muslim Capitol Day were protected by a massive human circle made up of at least 1,000 supporters.

 
 
From: Arif Sayeed
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:58 PM
To: 'Huda, Safiul' <shuda@ccri.edu>
Cc: Ahmad, Ahrar <Ahrar.Ahmad@bhsu.edu>; Barkat <barkatek@yahoo.com>; Helali <jhelali2000@yahoo.com>; Iqbal <ahmediqbal.bd@gmail.com>; Khurshid Alam <bhuiyan08@hotmail.com>; Nawaz <hnawaz@del.net>; Nosher <noshasan@gmail.com>; Zulfiqar Sadeque <zsadeque@yahoo.com>; sajidisp@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: yama
 
I hear you – and I have a lot of sympathy for your view – but I cannot fully agree. If you go by what you say, then no one from BD could be angry or outraged about anything that happens in the US so long as it does not descend to the standards and practices within BD. Ultimately you have to hold the people and institutions of a country which enjoys the bounties that wealth and prosperity bring to a higher standard – although someone from a country like BD where the standards of ethics and morality are far lower should always keep that in mind when judging others. Doesn't mean they cannot or should not judge.
 
From: Huda, Safiul [mailto:shuda@ccri.edu]
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:27 PM
To: Arif Sayeed <asayeed@cortexconsulting.com>
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Subject: RE: yama
 
Arif:
Actually, I wasn't quite saying BD should be measured by the same yardstick.  Although – why not?   BD can't compare/compete in many respects – but in the matter of morality and ethics?  Why should she relegate herself to a position of inferiority in that regard?  That is what is mildly irritating to me: the act of individuals who give a free pass to BD and/or Bangalees (indeed almost any country and people) on breaches of morality and ethics but turn apoplectic with moral outrage when America or Americans perpetrate the same or breaches of less moral/ethical moment.  Consider what you said – the absence of the rule of law in BD – shouldn't BD-Americans first and foremost be apoplectic about that?  Of course, you can dissect my statement and show instances where some people have done precisely that and consider that equal to the action taken by Americans against Trump.  To me it will nevertheless smack of the pot calling the kettle black.
BUT – even for that, I am conflicted.  Because in America (as in other advanced societies) people have the right to express their opinions even if their opinions have a double standard to them.  Trump by doing what he is doing and being what he is, is violating these and other values most Americans treasure.  He did not get the popular vote and now there is popular resistance to him.  What is disgusting is the Republicans still eagerly lapping up the liquid defecation he continues to spew.

Safiul
 
 
From: Arif Sayeed [mailto:asayeed@cortexconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:53 AM
To: Huda, Safiul
Cc: Ahmad, Ahrar; Barkat; Helali; Iqbal; Khurshid Alam; Nawaz; Nosher; Zulfiqar Sadeque
Subject: RE: yama
 
Comparing BD – a third world nation – with the US – a first world nation, and a self-proclaimed leader of the "free" world – is problematic. The difference is the absence of the rule of law in the first case, and the expectation that it should be present in the other. When that so-called leader of the free world discriminates blatantly on the basis of religion and denies due process to valid visa holders, particularly permanent resident (green card) visa holders, was valid justification for outrage even by third worlders. As for the matter of citizens protesting (without consequences to life and liberty), the expectation of the rule of law applies in spades.
 
From: Huda, Safiul [mailto:shuda@ccri.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:46 PM
To: Arif Sayeed <asayeed@cortexconsulting.com>
Subject: yama
 
Dear Yama:
 
You neglected to read the heading of the piece, "Alternate Truth."  Everything I say about BD is opposite of the truth that pertains thereat. 
I wrote the piece in order to get off my chest the mild irritation I feel towards BD-Americans who are incensed, incensed mind you, at the slightest break from the ideal by this country.  The selfsame people are loath to make a peep when the exact same ideals are violently trampled in BD, are often non-existent and, indeed alien.   Take what you said about immigrants.  Bangladesh does not allow them.  Period.  But the righteous outrage many BD-Americans feel when America, which has a most generous immigration policy, does not open its doors no questions asked to all comers who express a desire to come, is something quite marvelous to behold. 
Look at the spontaneous huge protest rallies that broke out here when Trump came out with his Muslim ban.  Tens of thousands braved the cold to express their anger.  A vast majority of them don't know any Muslims.  How many countrywide protests have taken place on a point of ideology in BD when the shoe was on the other foot?
My mild irritation stems from the fact that I happen to believe those who live in glass houses should not change with the lights on.  I daresay I laid the sarcasm on so thick that my intent got buried in it.
Having said all that – I am conflicted because as Americans, BD-Americans have every right to freely express themselves no matter how contradictory the expression to their behavior.   
 
S
Above in response to Yama who wrote:
it is not possible to migrate to bd. we do not issue immigration visas. the bd population did not grow by way of immigration but by way of reproduction and perhaps to some minute degree by returning emigrants. we are actually net exporters of human beings by a very wide margin.
 


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[mukto-mona] Re: Kaba sharif



"Those community that never practiced religion in last three thousand years still doesn't have modern civilization; I could say practice of religion is almost like rite of passage from 'dawn of civilization' to civilization."- KO

This is a pure nonsense without any real evidence or reference. Religions did not promote modern civilization but people' curiosity and their constant challenging of the frontiers that were/are the driving forces of modern civilization. People like Galileo(s) challenged the prevailing human ignorance to set the things right. Did religion influence him to go against the religious doctrines? No! He was simply studying nature and celestial movements like a modern day scientist. 

Prehistoric buildings and structures do exist before Indus and Mayan civilizations. You can easily check with internet search. The buildings were build by intelligent people out of their necessity and demands and... not because they had any concept of God or religion that drove them towards building better structures. The formal religion came far later and very gradually in many different forms. With or without Religion, the world would have been perfectly civilized... because it is the intelligent humans that were/are on the driving seats and... not an abstract illusive divinity that has been directing us to our never ending journey.  

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 2:50 AM, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com> wrote:
Some anthropologist think , human brain grew bigger because of war. Religion were responsible for many wars. No denying, history of achieving civilization is a sad cruel story.

Like music, religion is important for some souls, when it is not so for others. I know 2 person who were religious from their preteen years, even though they grew in secular families and were discouraged. That's why I think religion is a part of human psyche, more so for some than others.

It is religion that gave initial impetus to building sturdy structure that were befitting for their God. Later that knowledge gave ways to building towns. They literally took leap of faith to move from hut dwelling to towns .

Those community that never practiced religion in last three thousand years still doesn't have modern civilization; I could say practice of religion is almost like rite of passage from 'dawn of civilization' to civilization. Today some individual can survive without religion when other feel the need. A secular religious society is a good comprise.

Before the surrender in second WW2, Buddhist Japan pride itself in the art of torture. Preaching of non violence by Buddhism doesn't stop Buddhist from prosecuting Rohingas.

Islam didn't invent violence, It was born in it.. The common knowledge that Prophet was illiterate, probably started after his death by people who wanted to script the book on Islam; some were hired but weren't close enough to quote Him or knew much about him; they were in it for money. They would have meet resistance if he was not believed to be illiterate. Many verse are from him, and other not necessarily of his. Some disciple were also practicing some paganism, even today Suni / shia show respect to religious artifacts (kaba) and personalities (calipah) as was in paganism.

When he was on death bed, Omar wanted to hide his impending death and declare him immortal as in paganism, even though immortality is against core of Islamic Tenant s; all for political convenience. I am pretty sure that wasn't the last time in the following two decades some ways of paganism were slipped in Islam. One of the reason for scrambling chronological order was probably to make it hard to spot the pattern of changes in the content with time. He could have made that arrangement in his lifetime, if that's what he wanted. The authors name of all verse were left out, so nobody could verify if any of them were not close enough to know what they entered in the Book. More verse they compiled, more they earned. I suspect some were creative with verse to keep the money coming. That went on for two decades.

Just like Buddha lost on non violent preaching, prophet couldn't do away war in the name of religion; It was a tall call. I do believe the verse where he states , there can't be any compulsion in religion. The following verse call for butchering of non believers was plagiarized from old Jewish bible. Those who look down on non believers chooses to ignore his teaching in favour of old Jewish script, that is a shame. Though he did say to use bible for reference when hiz preaching don't provide answers, but never not to override his preaching. Translating Bible probably got them more money. I hope more muslims learn to decipher the the work of greedy translator and not take their words for Prophets words better Muslim. Unlike pagan, Muslims are not required answer to anybody on earth for their religious conviction, anybody demanding so are trying to play. Secular muslims are on the safe side.



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Re: [mukto-mona] Debates in the Middle-Eastern style



This is hilarious! The real comedy show with real clowns!


On Saturday, February 18, 2017 10:56 PM, "Dristy Pat dristypat5@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Enjoy debates in the Middle-East:





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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Kaba sharif



"Healthy approach towards Islam" would be to look at it as "a religion", as opposed to "my religion", and to apply your human common sense and intelligence on it. After all, you were not born with a religious stamp on you; you got your religious identity because your parents and the community in which you were born wanted it, nothing better than that. Humans have been giving up the stupidity, injustice, hatred and barbarity of their parents and foreparents; that is how humans have been progressing. The fact that your ancestors believed in absurdity or were barbaric is no reason for you to believe in absurdity or to be barbaric.

SuBain

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On Saturday, February 18, 2017 10:16 PM, "DeEldar shahdeeldar@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Look, Islam is no different from another religion except it was started by an illiterate man with relentless violence that is still palpably a daily reality. The followers were not anymore wiser or literate than the founder that they could arrange the suras in any chronological order. Most of the contents are gibberish and were basically plagiarized from Tora and Bible and sold as another new religion. Islam preached for one invisible God but  it ended up worshiping Kaba's Pagan stones. So much for the God's new revolution in the town!

Iranian Shias were basically Fire worshipers with different customs and traditions. So, expecting that they would exactly follow the lesser intelligent Arabs is pretty much an absurd expectation. It is in their genes to be different from the Arabs... whether they pray the same God or a Persian God.

Bluntly put, God has not set up any rules for anybody. We did it for politics and to project power on others. Wahabi Sunnis can destroy the whole Kaba but that would not make Islam any closer to the God than an Amazonian tribe who do not rely on Almighty for their daily food or survival in that vast jungle. 

On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 12:56 AM, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com> wrote:

    An eleven years old had a question, when Almighty is omnipresent ,then why pray to Him in one direction only. In islam there shouldn't be significance on symbol.(idol) or symbolism (like dressing in certain style for religious purpose or growing beard). Is using Kabasharif as symbol for  direction to face during prayer lot like facing symbol  (idol) for prayer  or not. Are theses practices  deviation from Imun or Prophet wanted to show some reverence to the practices of other beliefs that existed  in that area; he did say there is compulsion (see link below) . If imum is good, then any practice or lack of it, will not matter that's what I was told in my childhood.

   Why the verse in Holy book are not in chronological order but ordered by length of verse ( from largest to  smallest). What was there anything wrong in the chronology that prophet passed to his disciples. If it was innocent scrambling then how some conflicting verse are paired as in the link below. Holy book was first published after death of prophet, and went through changes for about next two decades. If prophet wanted it , he could have made arrangements to publish during last two decades of his life.

 Why saudi royal religious whabis boss wants to destroy Kabashrif. They also want to remove Prophets grave from present the place, because they think shia are worship Him. Are they right? 

Anybody has good answer to these question for younger generation to grow up with healthy approach towards  Islam.

[Subtitled] Arab Secularist DESTROYS Islamists on live TV!

[Subtitled] Arab Secularist DESTROYS Islamists on live TV!

Arab Secularist DESTROYS an Islamist.






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Re: [mukto-mona] Camel's back is about to break with US asking EU to contribute to its own defense?



Well, Mr. Rahman, let me tell you a true story.

In 1991, in the independence day celebration of Bangladesh at the MIT auditorium in Cambridge, MA, USA, a speaker read some pieces of advice from a magazine published by a Bangladeshi Islamic group. Most of the audience had evidently not read the magazine, and they shouted same, shame to the those pieces of advice and to the Islamic group. However, after that the editor of that magazine came forward and explained that those words of advice were from the Koran and the Hadits.

There is no need to tell the next chapters of the story, but let me give you a piece of advice. Tell someone to give you a translation of the Koran in a language that you understand without telling you that it is that book, so that you could apply your common sense on what you read. After applying your common sense on what you read, find out what book it was. That should change your mind on the one-liner that you posted here; although depending on the extent of your ignorant Islamic brainwash, you might look for contexts that might allow you to find what you read acceptable or even respectable.

SuBain

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On Saturday, February 18, 2017 10:12 PM, "MUSTAFIZUR RAHMAN mustafiz84@hotmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
There are NO Unjust, Hateful or Barbaric  edits in Islam

Mustafizur Rahman


From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 8:09 PM
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Camel's back is about to break with US asking EU to contribute to its own defense?
 
 
I actually agree with much of what Mr. Juncker said. American politicians seem to narrow down the concept of security to the military too much. Whether it is gun ownership in the USA or bombing foreign territories, the net gainers are the weapon makers and traders. How much the weapons business helps the regular citizens of the country is questionable. I think the USA should reduce spending on NATO, and let the Europeans do the same. Diplomacy with Russia should be the way to go to reduce the perceived or real threat from that country. As for fighting Islamic spoiling of the West, anyone calling himself/herself a Muslim should get a tough test to prove that he/she is fully respectful of the liberty in the country that he/she wishes to immigrate to, and that he/she has no intention of practicing or promoting any unjust, hateful and barbaric edicts of Islam.

SuBain

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On Friday, February 17, 2017 5:51 PM, "DeEldar shahdeeldar@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Time for free ride is over? Why EU would not pay for its own defense? Why US taxpayers should be burdened with the expenses while Europeans would take six weeks vacation every calendar year?






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[mukto-mona] Launch of the App Unite India



LAUNCH of 'UNITE INDIA' APP TO PROMOTE INDIAN NATIONALISM

February 18, 2017 Hyderabad 0 Comment

Hyderabad: Author Ram Puniani on Saturday launched a unique Diploma Course in Communal Harmony through a Mobile App 'Unite India' designed by All India Secular Forum member Syed Khalid

Speaking after launching the App, Ram Puniyani said that 'Unite India' App would clear many misconceptions which are creating hatred within various communities in India. Stating that most of the misconceptions on the religion and history were created by vested interests for political gains, he said those completing Diploma in Communal Harmony could easily defeat such hate mongers. He said it were the British who first linked kings with their religion to pursue the politics of 'Divide & Rule'. Later, the medieval history was distorted which unleashed a series of misconceptions which consequently resulted in created hatred among Hindus, Muslims and Christians. It often led to violent riots and none of them were spontaneous, but organised.

He said that the 'Unite India' App aims to promote Indian nationalism practiced by Mahatma Gandhi, Moulana Azad, Bhagat Singh, Dr. B.R. Ambedkar and Subhash Chandra Bose. It will also counter the religion-based nationalism which was practiced people like Mohammed Ali Jinnah and Sarvarkar.

Syed Khalid, the AISF member and App Developer said that "The course is primarily divided into 11 chapters including Communal Violence, Misconceptions About Minorities, Alliances Amongst Kings, Islam In India, India's Mixed Culture, Colonial Period, Indian Nationalism, Kashmir Issue, Global Terrorism Today and Communalism Today. The chapters are sub-divided into 68 topics with each giving clear and precise answer to one popular myth. The candidates will have to write exam after the end of each topic. Each topic is of about 200 words and the candidates need to give correct answers for at least three out of five questions to pass the test. After the completion of entire course, the candidates will be awarded a Certificate. 

On an average, a person will be able to complete the entire course in a span of 10 hours.

The topics covered in this course touch upon widely discussed issues like origin of Islam in India, Babri Masjid, Mumbai rights, Godhra carnage, etc., to current topics like RSS concept of nationalism, terrorism in Kashmir, Love Jihad."

"A majority of people in India are ignorant of historical facts and therefore, they fall prey to the false propaganda carried out by some communal elements who spread hatred by distorting truth. It is quite possible to pollute minds using wrong information, but it is impossible to spoil the hearts who always respond positively to the call of truth. Through 'Unite India' App, All India Secular Forum (AISF) will be trying to touch the hearts of all peace-loving Indians by making them study and understand the rational history, which would clear most of their misconceptions and answer myths" said Amina Mirza the AISF member.

The "Unite India" App is available for free download for Android platforms on Google Play Store @ https://play.google.com/store/ apps/details?id=com.raylabs.ha rmony&hl=en

For more info about app, Please call Amanulla Khan 8712900055 or email raylabs.us@gmail.com



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