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Monday, September 4, 2017

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Sitanggshu Guha


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[mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} Re: Re: গরুমুক্ত পৃথিবীর চিন্তা -



These dada's changes their sides always in their favour. Why don't you apply the same story with Israelis?

These Rohingas are unlike Israelis, they didn't migrated to Myanmar, your British father's drawn the maps wrongly. 

Razzak A. Syed


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On 5 Sep 2017, at 5:01 am, Sitangshu Guha <guhasb@gmail.com> wrote:

এক সাপ বাচ্চাকাচ্চা নিয়ে এক গর্তে বাস করতো। একদিন ঝড়-বৃষ্টিতে সাপটি দেখলো অদূরে এক সজারু আধমরা অবস্থায় পড়ে আছে। সাপটির দয়া হলো, সজারুকে নিজের গর্তে নিয়ে এলো। বললো: আপাতত: তুমি আমাদের সাথে থাকো, সুস্থ হলে চলে যেও? এরপর কিছুদিন চলে গেলো, আবহাওয়া ভালো হয়ে গেছে, সজারু সম্পূর্ণ সুস্থ হয়ে উঠেছে। কিন্তু সজারু যাচ্ছেনা। সাপ তার ছোট্ট গর্তে সজারুকে নিয়ে থাকতে লাগলো। সজারুর গায়ের কাঁটায় সাপের বাচ্চাদের অবস্থা কাহিল। অবস্থা চরমে উঠলে সাপ একদিন সজারুকে বললো: ভাই সজারু, তোমার গায়ের কাঁটার খোঁচায় আমার বাচ্চাদের খুব অসুবিধা হচ্ছে। ভাই, তুমি এবার আমাদের বাসা থেকে যাও। সজারু একটু রেগেই বললো: 'আমার তো কোন অসুবিধা হচ্ছেনা; যাদের অসুবিধা হচ্ছে তারা চলে যাকনা কেন?' মহামতি টলস্টয়ের গল্পটি কি রোহিঙ্গাদের প্রসঙ্গে একেবারেই অপ্রাসংগিক?   

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com> wrote:
ALMIGHTY doesnot manage anybody's bad eating habit, nor do they consider that only option for health; because they will seek help of  medicine.  I have seen people claiming there is no adverse consequences of large abount or korbani meat, untill they have close call with blockage.

It is only smart to take preventing measure, be it health or global warming or poulation issue, than indirectly laying blame on Almighty, when it doesn't go their way.
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On Sun, 9/3/17, 'zainul abedin' via PFC-Friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 Subject: {PFC-Friends} Re: Re: গরুমুক্ত পৃথিবীর চিন্তা -
 To: "RANU CHOWDHURY" <ranu51@hotmail.com>, "Farida Majid" <farida_majid@hotmail.com>, "DeEldar" <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>, "qamruddin chowdhury" <qamruddinc@yahoo.com>
 Cc: "Razzak Syed" <amsmel@aol.com>, "PFC-Friends" <pfc-friends+noreply@googlegroups.com>, "rashedanam1971@gmail.com" <rashedanam1971@gmail.com>, "pfc-friends@googlegroups.com" <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>, "ovimot@yahoogroups.com" <Ovimot@yahoogroups.com>, "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "Zoglul Husain" <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>, "Zahid Hassan" <zahidhassan_2000@yahoo.com>, "alapon@yahoogroups.com" <alapon@yahoogroups.com>, "Wasim Chaudhuri" <chaudhuri.wasim@gmail.com>, "Tareque Ahmed" <tareque7@gmail.com>, "Tanvir Nowaz" <tanvirnowaz@yahoo.com>, "tamannak2013@gmail.com" <tamannak2013@gmail.com>, "mgsmibrahim@gmail.com" <mgsmibrahim@gmail.com>, "smargoob@yahoo.com" <smargoob@yahoo.com>, "guhasb@gmail.com" <guhasb@gmail.com>, "Shah Deeelder" <shahdeelder@gmail.com>, "Seraju Islam Sabuj" <serajul7@gmail.com>, "saokot hossain" <saokot_nccbl@yahoo.com>, "S akhter" <sakhter1015@gmail.com>, "Rezaul Karim" <rezaulkarim617@gmail.com>, "<rajakhan33@hotmail.com>" <rajakhan33@hotmail.com>, "quamrul hassan" <quamrul.hassan01@gmail.com>, "Post Card" <abahar.canada@gmail.com>, "neawamileague@gmail.com" <neawamileague@gmail.com>, "bnp.newengland@yahoo.com" <bnp.newengland@yahoo.com>, "Nazrul Islam" <nazrulislampbl@gmail.com>, "Nafisa Noor" <nafisanoorahmed@yahoo.com>, "nabdc@googlegroups.com" <nabdc@googlegroups.com>, "ne_awamileague@yahoo.com" <ne_awamileague@yahoo.com>, "captchowdhury@yahoo.ca" <captchowdhury@yahoo.ca>, "Muazzam Kazi" <kazi4986@yahoo.com>, "Mohiuddin Anwar" <mohiuddin@netzero.net>, "Mohammed Shoaib" <shoaib187@yahoo.com>, "Brothers Keeper" <mohammedislam1256@gmail.com>, "Mohammed Hussain" <delwar71@hotmail.com>, "Mohammad Gani" <mgani69@gmail.com>, "Mohamed Nazir" <nazir0101@gmail.com>, "farahmina@gmail.com" <farahmina@gmail.com>, "Nakib Uddin" <md.uddin@comcast.net>, "apurba01@gmail.com" <apurba01@gmail.com>, "Muhammad Ahmed" <msahmed21@yahoo.co.uk>, "MBI Munshi" <mbimunshi@gmail.com>, "Mohammad Aleem" <aleem53@yahoo.com>, "Litu ." <lituk@outlook.com>, "editor@thedailystar.net" <editor@thedailystar.net>, "Khondkar Saleque" <khondkar.saleque@gmail.com>, "quazi nuruzzaman" <quazinuru@yahoo.com>, "Khondkar Karim" <khondkar_karim@uml.edu>, "jamilchowdhury13@yahoo.co.uk" <jamilchowdhury13@yahoo.co.uk>, "jalal khan" <jukhan@gmail.com>, "Isha Khan" <bdmailer@gmail.com>, "Shahadat Hussaini" <shahadathussaini@hotmail.com>, "akhtergolam@gmail.com" <akhtergolam@gmail.com>, "GT International" <gti82@hotmail.com>, "Farzana Ahmed" <farzana.ahmed48@yahoo.com>, "Farida Hossain" <druhfarida@gmail.com>, "farhadmazhar@hotmail.com" <farhadmazhar@hotmail.com>, "Dr. Gholam Mostofa" <mostofadrgholam@gmail.com>, "nurannabi@gmail.com" <nurannabi@gmail.com>, "Dr. Mahfuz Chowdhury NY" <drmohsinali@yahoo.com>, "Dr. Jamir Chowdhury" <americamyland@gmail.com>, "Dr. Em Pannah" <em.pannah@americatech.us>, "atlanticmarinecanada@gmail.com" <atlanticmarinecanada@gmail.com>, "bfc1966@googlegroups.com" <bfc1966@googlegroups.com>, "Bazlul Bazlul" <bazlul@yahoo.com>, "Bangla Vision" <bangla-vision@yahoogroups.com>, "Bana Mali" <asifraih@gmail.com>, "Bamandas Basu" <bamandas_basu@yahoo.com>, "BDPANA@yahoogroups.com" <bdpana@yahoogroups.com>, "Atiqur Rahman Salu (" <mfariha123@aol.com>, "akabir60@yahoo.com" <akabir60@yahoo.com>, "anis.ahmed@netzero.net" <anis.ahmed@netzero.net>, "Alochona Groups" <alochona@yahoogroups.com>, "alaldulal@aol.com" <alaldulal@aol.com>, "<noa@agni.com>" <noa@agni.com>, "pfc1966@googlegroups.com" <pfc1966@googlegroups.com>
 Date: Sunday, September 3, 2017, 10:14 PM

 Salam,
 What Ranu
 Bhai said is correct. Animals are part of the ecosystem
 planned by not only our Creator, by FMs' Creator too! Is
 she a vegi only?
  Many
 types of animals, not only cattle are sacrificed for
 "Korbani." FMs are indulged in one-way of
 thinking. 
 Now-a-days,
 I avoid red-meat. But it does not mean that is it
 unnecessary (for some people there may be some reasons).
 BTW, Flora and Fauna come from the Creator. What we need is
 a balanced use and maintenance of ecosystem.
 FM's
 loved-country India did not have (still not) Fast
 Bowlers! 
 ZA


     On Sunday, September 3, 2017 2:05 PM, RANU
 CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:




 Cattle is part of the global environment and ecology.
 An effort to eliminate it may generate hundreds, if not
 thousands, other adverse effects on the mankind.
 Besides, I am not sure how
 much the oat milk can compensate for
  the cow milk consumed around the world, particularly in
 terms of nutrients the cow milk provides. Negative effects,
 if any, of cow milk is perhaps due to the artificial
 management growth for the cattle in the western
 world.






 From: Farida Majid
 <farida_majid@hotmail.com>

 Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 4:08 PM

 To: DeEldar; qamruddin chowdhury

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 Subject: Re: Re: গরুমুক্ত
 পৃথিবীর চিন্তা -
  






 কোরবানীর
 ঈদের প্রাক্কালে
 গরুমুক্ত পৃথিবীর
 চিন্তা --
 << The rearing of livestock
 and meat consumption accounts for 14.5% of global greenhouse
 gas (GHG) emissions. Alongside carbon emissions from
 deforestation (for pasture or crops to
  feed animals), the livestock sector is also the single
 biggest human-related source of methane (from cattle) and
 nitrous oxide emissions (from fertiliser and manure), two
 particularly potent greenhouse gases.

 On current trends, by 2050 we
 will be growing more crops to feed directly to animals than
 ourselves. Even small shifts to feeding crops to humans
 instead of livestock would lead to significant increases in
 food availability. >>
















 'Wow,
  no cow': the Swedish farmer using oats to make
 milk

 Swedish drinks company helps
 farmer shift away from livestock farming and cut climate
 impact with his own oat milk brand



 THEGUARDIAN.COM
 https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/aug/26/wow-no-cow-swedish-farmer-oats-milk-oatly?CMP=share_btn_fb




 'Wow, no cow': the
 Swedish farmer
  using oats to make milk

 www.theguardian.com

 Swedish drinks company helps farmer shift away from
 livestock farming and cut climate impact with his own oat
 milk brand


















  







 From: DeEldar
 <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>

 Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:32 PM

 To: qamruddin chowdhury

 Cc: Razzak Syed; PFC-Friends; zainul abedin;
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 Subject: Re: Re:
  


 If you think all Muslims in the third world
 countries are having a steady amount of meat every week or
 month, you are totally mistaken. Slaughtering millions of
 animals in a single day and consume their meat in a week is
 a very poor strategic
  thinking. Do you really please a God with chemically
 induced fatty animal? That was my point but then again, how
 do we convince people who rather eat one good meal in a day
 and then go on begging rest of the year.




 On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at
 10:18 AM, qamruddin chowdhury
 <qamruddinc@yahoo.com>
 wrote:









 "But again, the old habits
 would be very difficult to change unless and until the true
 reality sets in. "









 Same applies to  you also brother. 



















 On Sunday, September 3, 2017, 10:08:10 AM EDT, DeEldar
 <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>
 wrote:










 Thank you. Eid Mubarak to you, all despite
 our differences in many issues. My gentle Iranian Shia
 friend does not sacrifice any animal but consume a good
 amount of meat during the whole year rather than consuming a
 whole animal in a week or two
  weeks' time. I call it prudence, intelligent and very
 sensible. But again, the old habits would be very difficult
 to change unless and until the true reality sets in.






 On
 Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 10:56 PM, Khoniker Othithee
 <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
 wrote:


 EID MUBBARAK!

 Not their meat, nor their blood, reaches Allah, it is your
 piety and  concern for all human that reaches All Mighty

 - Sura Al-Hajj Verse 37
































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[mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} Re: Re: গরুমুক্ত পৃথিবীর চিন্তা -



Shitanshu Da', 

You are proving you meanness, nothing else!

ZA


On Monday, September 4, 2017 4:03 PM, Sitangshu Guha <guhasb@gmail.com> wrote:


এক সাপ বাচ্চাকাচ্চা নিয়ে এক গর্তে বাস করতো। একদিন ঝড়-বৃষ্টিতে সাপটি দেখলো অদূরে এক সজারু আধমরা অবস্থায় পড়ে আছে। সাপটির দয়া হলো, সজারুকে নিজের গর্তে নিয়ে এলো। বললো: আপাতত: তুমি আমাদের সাথে থাকো, সুস্থ হলে চলে যেও? এরপর কিছুদিন চলে গেলো, আবহাওয়া ভালো হয়ে গেছে, সজারু সম্পূর্ণ সুস্থ হয়ে উঠেছে। কিন্তু সজারু যাচ্ছেনা। সাপ তার ছোট্ট গর্তে সজারুকে নিয়ে থাকতে লাগলো। সজারুর গায়ের কাঁটায় সাপের বাচ্চাদের অবস্থা কাহিল। অবস্থা চরমে উঠলে সাপ একদিন সজারুকে বললো: ভাই সজারু, তোমার গায়ের কাঁটার খোঁচায় আমার বাচ্চাদের খুব অসুবিধা হচ্ছে। ভাই, তুমি এবার আমাদের বাসা থেকে যাও। সজারু একটু রেগেই বললো: 'আমার তো কোন অসুবিধা হচ্ছেনা; যাদের অসুবিধা হচ্ছে তারা চলে যাকনা কেন?' মহামতি টলস্টয়ের গল্পটি কি রোহিঙ্গাদের প্রসঙ্গে একেবারেই অপ্রাসংগিক?   

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Sitangshu Guha <guhasb@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 12:58 PM, DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:
I do not think average people understand how much energy and resource are being put into making a huge animal. If these were wild animals falling from the sky and free to collect and slaughter for consumption, that would have been wonderful. Feast for a and starve for months? Did prophets really introduce this odd ritual? Did Arabs sacrifice any cow to please God? 

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:
কোরবানীর ঈদের প্রাক্কালে গরুমুক্ত পৃথিবীর চিন্তা --
<< The rearing of livestock and meat consumption accounts for 14.5% of global greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions. Alongside carbon emissions from deforestation (for pasture or crops to feed animals), the livestock sector is also the single biggest human-related source of methane (from cattle) and nitrous oxide emissions (from fertiliser and manure), two particularly potent greenhouse gases.
On current trends, by 2050 we will be growing more crops to feed directly to animals than ourselves. Even small shifts to feeding crops to humans instead of livestock would lead to significant increases in food availability. >>
Swedish drinks company helps farmer shift away from livestock farming and cut climate impact with his own oat milk brand
 



From: DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:32 PM
To: qamruddin chowdhury
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Subject: Re: Re:
 
If you think all Muslims in the third world countries are having a steady amount of meat every week or month, you are totally mistaken. Slaughtering millions of animals in a single day and consume their meat in a week is a very poor strategic thinking. Do you really please a God with chemically induced fatty animal? That was my point but then again, how do we convince people who rather eat one good meal in a day and then go on begging rest of the year.

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 10:18 AM, qamruddin chowdhury <qamruddinc@yahoo.com> wrote:

"But again, the old habits would be very difficult to change unless and until the true reality sets in. "

Same applies to  you also brother. 




On Sunday, September 3, 2017, 10:08:10 AM EDT, DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:


Thank you. Eid Mubarak to you, all despite our differences in many issues. My gentle Iranian Shia friend does not sacrifice any animal but consume a good amount of meat during the whole year rather than consuming a whole animal in a week or two weeks' time. I call it prudence, intelligent and very sensible. But again, the old habits would be very difficult to change unless and until the true reality sets in.

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 10:56 PM, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com> wrote:
EID MUBBARAK!
Not their meat, nor their blood, reaches Allah, it is your piety and  concern for all human that reaches All Mighty
- Sura Al-Hajj Verse 37






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[mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} Re: Re: গরুমুক্ত পৃথিবীর চিন্তা -

Simple minded analysis on complicated issues are always wrong.
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 9/4/17, Sitangshu Guha <guhasb@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} Re: Re: গরুমুক্ত পৃথিবীর চিন্তা -
To: "Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
Cc: "RANU CHOWDHURY" <ranu51@hotmail.com>, "Farida Majid" <farida_majid@hotmail.com>, "DeEldar" <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>, "qamruddin chowdhury" <qamruddinc@yahoo.com>, "pfc" <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>, "Razzak Syed" <amsmel@aol.com>, "PFC-Friends" <pfc-friends+noreply@googlegroups.com>, "rashedanam1971@gmail.com" <rashedanam1971@gmail.com>, "ovimot@yahoogroups.com" <Ovimot@yahoogroups.com>, "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "Zoglul Husain" <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>, "Zahid Hassan" <zahidhassan_2000@yahoo.com>, "alapon@yahoogroups.com" <alapon@yahoogroups.com>, "Wasim Chaudhuri" <chaudhuri.wasim@gmail.com>, "Tareque Ahmed" <tareque7@gmail.com>, "Tanvir Nowaz" <tanvirnowaz@yahoo.com>, "tamannak2013@gmail.com" <tamannak2013@gmail.com>, "mgsmibrahim@gmail.com" <mgsmibrahim@gmail.com>, "smargoob@yahoo.com" <smargoob@yahoo.com>, "Shah Deeelder" <shahdeelder@gmail.com>, "Seraju Islam Sabuj" <serajul7@gmail.com>, "saokot hossain" <saokot_nccbl@yahoo.com>, "S akhter" <sakhter1015@gmail.com>, "Rezaul Karim" <rezaulkarim617@gmail.com>, "<rajakhan33@hotmail.com>" <rajakhan33@hotmail.com>, "quamrul hassan" <quamrul.hassan01@gmail.com>, "Post Card" <abahar.canada@gmail.com>, "neawamileague@gmail.com" <neawamileague@gmail.com>, "bnp.newengland@yahoo.com" <bnp.newengland@yahoo.com>, "Nazrul Islam" <nazrulislampbl@gmail.com>, "Nafisa Noor" <nafisanoorahmed@yahoo.com>, "nabdc@googlegroups.com" <nabdc@googlegroups.com>, "ne_awamileague@yahoo.com" <ne_awamileague@yahoo.com>, "captchowdhury@yahoo.ca" <captchowdhury@yahoo.ca>, "Muazzam Kazi" <kazi4986@yahoo.com>, "Mohiuddin Anwar" <mohiuddin@netzero.net>, "Mohammed Shoaib" <shoaib187@yahoo.com>, "Brothers Keeper" <mohammedislam1256@gmail.com>, "Mohammed Hussain" <delwar71@hotmail.com>, "Mohammad Gani" <mgani69@gmail.com>, "Mohamed Nazir" <nazir0101@gmail.com>, "farahmina@gmail.com" <farahmina@gmail.com>, "Nakib Uddin" <md.uddin@comcast.net>, "apurba01@gmail.com" <apurba01@gmail.com>, "Muhammad Ahmed" <msahmed21@yahoo.co.uk>, "MBI Munshi" <mbimunshi@gmail.com>, "Mohammad Aleem" <aleem53@yahoo.com>, "Litu ." <lituk@outlook.com>, "editor@thedailystar.net" <editor@thedailystar.net>, "Khondkar Saleque" <khondkar.saleque@gmail.com>, "quazi nuruzzaman" <quazinuru@yahoo.com>, "Khondkar Karim" <khondkar_karim@uml.edu>, "jamilchowdhury13@yahoo.co.uk" <jamilchowdhury13@yahoo.co.uk>, "jalal khan" <jukhan@gmail.com>, "Isha Khan" <bdmailer@gmail.com>, "Shahadat Hussaini" <shahadathussaini@hotmail.com>, "akhtergolam@gmail.com" <akhtergolam@gmail.com>, "GT International" <gti82@hotmail.com>, "Farzana Ahmed" <farzana.ahmed48@yahoo.com>, "Farida Hossain" <druhfarida@gmail.com>, "farhadmazhar@hotmail.com" <farhadmazhar@hotmail.com>, "Dr. Gholam Mostofa" <mostofadrgholam@gmail.com>, "nurannabi@gmail.com" <nurannabi@gmail.com>, "Dr. Mahfuz Chowdhury NY" <drmohsinali@yahoo.com>, "Dr. Jamir Chowdhury" <americamyland@gmail.com>, "Dr. Em Pannah" <em.pannah@americatech.us>, "atlanticmarinecanada@gmail.com" <atlanticmarinecanada@gmail.com>, "bfc1966@googlegroups.com" <bfc1966@googlegroups.com>, "Bazlul Bazlul" <bazlul@yahoo.com>, "Bangla Vision" <bangla-vision@yahoogroups.com>, "Bana Mali" <asifraih@gmail.com>, "Bamandas Basu" <bamandas_basu@yahoo.com>, "BDPANA@yahoogroups.com" <bdpana@yahoogroups.com>, "Atiqur Rahman Salu (" <mfariha123@aol.com>, "akabir60@yahoo.com" <akabir60@yahoo.com>, "anis.ahmed@netzero.net" <anis.ahmed@netzero.net>, "Alochona Groups" <alochona@yahoogroups.com>, "alaldulal@aol.com" <alaldulal@aol.com>, "<noa@agni.com>" <noa@agni.com>, "pfc1966@googlegroups.com" <pfc1966@googlegroups.com>
Date: Monday, September 4, 2017, 5:01 PM

এক সাপ
বাচ্চাকাচ্চা নিয়ে এক
গর্তে বাস করতো। একদিন
ঝড়-বৃষ্টিতে
সাপটি দেখলো অদূরে এক
সজারু আধমরা অবস্থায়
পড়ে আছে। সাপটির দয়া
হলো, সজারুকে
নিজের গর্তে নিয়ে এলো।
বললো: আপাতত: তুমি
আমাদের সাথে থাকো,
সুস্থ হলে চলে যেও?
এরপর কিছুদিন চলে গেলো,
আবহাওয়া ভালো হয়ে গেছে,
সজারু সম্পূর্ণ সুস্থ
হয়ে উঠেছে।
কিন্তু সজারু
যাচ্ছেনা। সাপ তার
ছোট্ট গর্তে সজারুকে
নিয়ে থাকতে লাগলো।
সজারুর
গায়ের কাঁটায় সাপের
বাচ্চাদের অবস্থা
কাহিল। অবস্থা চরমে
উঠলে সাপ একদিন সজারুকে
বললো: ভাই সজারু, তোমার
গায়ের কাঁটার
খোঁচায় আমার বাচ্চাদের
খুব অসুবিধা
হচ্ছে। ভাই, তুমি এবার
আমাদের বাসা থেকে যাও।
সজারু একটু রেগেই বললো:
'আমার তো কোন
অসুবিধা হচ্ছেনা; যাদের
অসুবিধা হচ্ছে তারা চলে
যাকনা কেন?' মহামতি
টলস্টয়ের
গল্পটি কি রোহিঙ্গাদের
প্রসঙ্গে একেবারেই
অপ্রাসংগিক?   

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 4:52
PM, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
wrote:
ALMIGHTY
doesnot manage anybody's bad eating habit, nor do they
consider that only option for health; because they will seek
help of  medicine.  I have seen people claiming there is
no adverse consequences of large abount or korbani meat,
untill they have close call with blockage.



It is only smart to take preventing measure, be it health or
global warming or poulation issue, than indirectly laying
blame on Almighty, when it doesn't go their way.

------------------------------ --------------

On Sun, 9/3/17, 'zainul abedin' via PFC-Friends
<pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>
wrote:



 Subject: {PFC-Friends} Re: Re: গরুমুক্ত
পৃথিবীর চিন্তা -

 To: "RANU CHOWDHURY" <ranu51@hotmail.com>,
"Farida Majid" <farida_majid@hotmail.com>,
"DeEldar" <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>,
"qamruddin chowdhury" <qamruddinc@yahoo.com>

 Cc: "Razzak Syed" <amsmel@aol.com>,
"PFC-Friends" <pfc-friends+noreply@
googlegroups.com>, "rashedanam1971@gmail.com"
<rashedanam1971@gmail.com>,
"pfc-friends@googlegroups.com"
<pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>
, "ovimot@yahoogroups.com"
<Ovimot@yahoogroups.com>,
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"Zoglul Husain" <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>,
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"Mohammad Gani" <mgani69@gmail.com>,
"Mohamed Nazir" <nazir0101@gmail.com>,
"farahmina@gmail.com"
<farahmina@gmail.com>,
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<apurba01@gmail.com>,
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"MBI Munshi" <mbimunshi@gmail.com>,
"Mohammad Aleem" <aleem53@yahoo.com>,
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"quazi nuruzzaman" <quazinuru@yahoo.com>,
"Khondkar Karim" <khondkar_karim@uml.edu>,
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<jamilchowdhury13@yahoo.co.uk>
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"Dr. Jamir Chowdhury" <americamyland@gmail.com>,
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com" <atlanticmarinecanada@gmail.
com>, "bfc1966@googlegroups.com"
<bfc1966@googlegroups.com>,
"Bazlul Bazlul" <bazlul@yahoo.com>,
"Bangla Vision" <bangla-vision@yahoogroups.com
>, "Bana Mali" <asifraih@gmail.com>,
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 Date: Sunday, September 3, 2017, 10:14 PM



 Salam,

 What Ranu

 Bhai said is correct. Animals are part of the ecosystem

 planned by not only our Creator, by FMs' Creator too!
Is

 she a vegi only?

  Many

 types of animals, not only cattle are sacrificed for

 "Korbani." FMs are indulged in one-way of

 thinking. 

 Now-a-days,

 I avoid red-meat. But it does not mean that is it

 unnecessary (for some people there may be some
reasons).

 BTW, Flora and Fauna come from the Creator. What we need
is

 a balanced use and maintenance of ecosystem.

 FM's

 loved-country India did not have (still not) Fast

 Bowlers! 

 ZA





     On Sunday, September 3, 2017 2:05 PM, RANU

 CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com>
wrote:









 Cattle is part of the global environment and ecology.

 An effort to eliminate it may generate hundreds, if not

 thousands, other adverse effects on the mankind.

 Besides, I am not sure how

 much the oat milk can compensate for

  the cow milk consumed around the world, particularly
in

 terms of nutrients the cow milk provides. Negative
effects,

 if any, of cow milk is perhaps due to the artificial

 management growth for the cattle in the western

 world.













 From: Farida Majid

 <farida_majid@hotmail.com>



 Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 4:08 PM



 To: DeEldar; qamruddin chowdhury



 Cc: Razzak Syed; PFC-Friends; zainul abedin;

 rashedanam1971@gmail.com;
pfc-friends@googlegroups.com;

 ovimot@yahoogroups.com;
mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com;
Zoglul

 Husain; Zahid Hassan; alapon@yahoogroups.com;
Wasim

 Chaudhuri; Tareque Ahmed; Tanvir Nowaz;

  tamannak2013@gmail.com;
mgsmibrahim@gmail.com;

 smargoob@yahoo.com;
guhasb@gmail.com;
Shah Deeelder; Seraju

 Islam Sabuj; saokot hossain; S akhter; Rezaul Karim;

 <rajakhan33@hotmail.com>;
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 hassan; Post Card; neawamileague@gmail.com;

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 ne_awamileague@yahoo.com;
captchowdhury@yahoo.ca;
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 Kazi; Mohiuddin Anwar; Mohammed Shoaib; Brothers
Keeper;

 Mohammed Hussain; Mohammad Gani; Mohamed Nazir;

 farahmina@gmail.com;
Nakib Uddin; apurba01@gmail.com;

  Muhammad Ahmed; MBI Munshi; Mohammad Aleem; Litu .;

 editor@thedailystar.net;
Khondkar Saleque; quazi nuruzzaman;

 Khondkar Karim; jamilchowdhury13@yahoo.co.uk;
jalal khan;

 Isha Khan; Shahadat Hussaini; akhtergolam@gmail.com;
GT

 International; Farzana Ahmed;

  Farida Hossain; farhadmazhar@hotmail.com;
Dr.Gholam

 Mostofa; nurannabi@gmail.com;
Dr. Mahfuz Chowdhury NY; Dr.

 Jamir Chowdhury; Dr. Em Pannah;

 atlanticmarinecanada@gmail.com
; bfc1966@googlegroups.com;

 Bazlul Bazlul; Bangla Vision; Bana Mali; Bamandas Basu;

  BDPANA@yahoogroups.com;
Atiqur Rahman Salu (;

 akabir60@yahoo.com;
anis.ahmed@netzero.net;
Alochona Groups;

 alaldulal@aol.com;
<noa@agni.com>;

 pfc1966@googlegroups.com



 Subject: Re: Re: গরুমুক্ত

 পৃথিবীর চিন্তা -

  













 কোরবানীর

 ঈদের প্রাক্কালে

 গরুমুক্ত পৃথিবীর

 চিন্তা --

 << The rearing of livestock

 and meat consumption accounts for 14.5% of global
greenhouse

 gas (GHG) emissions. Alongside carbon emissions from

 deforestation (for pasture or crops to

  feed animals), the livestock sector is also the single

 biggest human-related source of methane (from cattle)
and

 nitrous oxide emissions (from fertiliser and manure),
two

 particularly potent greenhouse gases.



 On current trends, by 2050 we

 will be growing more crops to feed directly to animals
than

 ourselves. Even small shifts to feeding crops to humans

 instead of livestock would lead to significant increases
in

 food availability. >>

































 'Wow,

  no cow': the Swedish farmer using oats to make

 milk



 Swedish drinks company helps

 farmer shift away from livestock farming and cut
climate

 impact with his own oat milk brand







 THEGUARDIAN.COM

 https://www.theguardian.com/
sustainable-business/2017/aug/ 26/wow-no-cow-swedish-farmer-
oats-milk-oatly?CMP=share_btn_ fb









 'Wow, no cow': the

 Swedish farmer

  using oats to make milk



 www.theguardian.com



 Swedish drinks company helps farmer shift away from

 livestock farming and cut climate impact with his own
oat

 milk brand





































  















 From: DeEldar

 <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>



 Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:32 PM



 To: qamruddin chowdhury



 Cc: Razzak Syed; PFC-Friends; zainul abedin;

 rashedanam1971@gmail.com;
pfc-friends@googlegroups.com;

 ovimot@yahoogroups.com;
mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com;

 bangladesh-progressives googlegroups; Zoglul Husain;
Zahid

 Hassan; alapon@yahoogroups.com;
Wasim

  Chaudhuri; Tareque Ahmed; Tanvir Nowaz;

 tamannak2013@gmail.com;
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 Subject: Re: Re:

  





 If you think all Muslims in the third world

 countries are having a steady amount of meat every week
or

 month, you are totally mistaken. Slaughtering millions
of

 animals in a single day and consume their meat in a week
is

 a very poor strategic

  thinking. Do you really please a God with chemically

 induced fatty animal? That was my point but then again,
how

 do we convince people who rather eat one good meal in a
day

 and then go on begging rest of the year.









 On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at

 10:18 AM, qamruddin chowdhury

 <qamruddinc@yahoo.com>

 wrote:



















 "But again, the old habits

 would be very difficult to change unless and until the
true

 reality sets in. "



















 Same applies to  you also brother. 







































 On Sunday, September 3, 2017, 10:08:10 AM EDT, DeEldar

 <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>

 wrote:





















 Thank you. Eid Mubarak to you, all despite

 our differences in many issues. My gentle Iranian Shia

 friend does not sacrifice any animal but consume a good

 amount of meat during the whole year rather than consuming
a

 whole animal in a week or two

  weeks' time. I call it prudence, intelligent and
very

 sensible. But again, the old habits would be very
difficult

 to change unless and until the true reality sets in.













 On

 Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 10:56 PM, Khoniker Othithee

 <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>

 wrote:





 EID MUBBARAK!



 Not their meat, nor their blood, reaches Allah, it is
your

 piety and  concern for all human that reaches All
Mighty



 - Sura Al-Hajj Verse 37

































































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