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Monday, October 22, 2007

Re: [ALOCHONA] I pledge to help Change Bangladesh not by changing my own status

Mr. Chowdhury:

You dont make any sense. You ramble on about Change Bangladesh and expatriates being bad for Bangladesh.

You seem to treat expatriates (ironically you seem to be one) with disdain, as if expatriates turned their backs on Bangladesh. Most expatriates left due to limited economic opportunities in desh. Many want to improve the situation. Some of us do so by sending money to our loved ones. Some of us give money to the local mosque or perhaps build a school in our towns/villages. A few of us dare to change the system by running for office in desh. You should encourage such bravado.

Instead you choose to attack. I respected you for having the guts to openly support Awami League and standing by what you believe in. But it seems what you believe in, is not very respectable.

- M. Raheem
New York


Shamim Chowdhury <veirsmill@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear all, in recent days some people who are neither here nor there but simply extreme deceitful opportunist has started campaign to change Bangladesh!
 
In there ill motive thought process, people of Bangladesh is not worthy enough to govern them self. Some expatriate so-called experts have to put their golden hands to change Bangladesh.
 
There mission is to get nomination from any political party by lobbying. No ethics, no ideological stand but pure power monger mentality is their driving force.
 
Seating or half lining in their entertainment room’s cozy Lazy Boy chair they make their plans about Bangladesh and its poor people. Giving few dollars collected from charity to flood victims wants to buy the right to govern them. Becoming self appointed solicitor for nominating members of parliament for upcoming election in Bangladesh from twelve thousands miles away.
 
This is just a continuation of sad story of our nation where no one wants to give anything without getting anything. It seems, to these people the only way to change Bangladesh is by becoming master of the land.
 
People of Bangladesh want individual and organization from foreign land with no intention to rule but with solid commitment to help for the sake of help. However, we always saw they come with a bagful of goodies to lure us into their trap and then fill their bag with all the goodies that they can put their hands on.
 
To attract the commoners they always use titles and ornaments longer then their names after and before their given name to display put them in display. Because they know, their wisdom is not enough catchy to attract peoples attention. They cannot prove themselves worthy to have people faith on them.
 
These merchant of lies and perfidy know no boundary and ready to do anything to reach their Mokama Maksud.
 
Enough is enough, let Bangladesh survive, and let people of Bangladesh choose their destiny. Those of us in foreign land let us lend our helping hand not with our lust but love. Not that WE change Bangladesh but help our nation to change on their own for the good. Our hunger for power will be treachery to people who goes hungry everyday.
 
I propose, all Bangladeshi in foreign land who love Bangladesh come forward and say aloud we do not want to govern Bangladesh. We do not want license, permit or position by selling our title and half-cooked education. Nevertheless, we will not allow any cheating go unchallenged in this regard and truly remain on guard to uncover this conspiracy against our country and its people.
 
We will change Bangladesh and go forward not by changing our own status but by encouraging and helping people of the land to stand on their own. I truly believe beyond doubt that there are thousands of people in Bangladesh to compete for 300 parliamentary seats in upcoming election. Thinking us expatriates as any better or rightful for this position in parliament is not just mockery but cruelty as well. Anyone who wants to compete for any parliamentary constituency have to stay and work for the people of that locality for five to ten years before they can consider themselves to run for election.
 
I will urge the forum members to come forward and promise to work for Bangladesh and publicly pledge that you will not seek nomination for upcoming election in Bangladesh.
 
I Shamim Chowdhury hereby pledge on this day of October 19, 2007 not to run as a candidate for upcoming election but lend my hand and knowledge to the best of my ability for my beloved country Bangladesh. I will not put banners for recognition of my work nor will I support anyone who does so, so help me God.
 
Sincerely
Shamim Chowdhury
Maryland, U.S.A.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Dear Mr. Sajjad, I can lie, you may lie but government cannot and shall not lie. Remember you and I did not take any oath for any office but Barrister Moinul, his government took oath to work within the framework of constitution, and law of the land and lies has no room within that framework.
 
I a not subscribing any form of lies by anyone (I and you) but lies by government officials to the nation that they are suppose to serve is completely wrong and only dubious people can endorse that idea. Once telling the lies (your white lies) become part of how you run the government becomes commonly evident your action and remarks that is true also gets a BIG question marked.
 
 
Why you think Moinul’s lies are white and harmless and politician’s lies are black and harmful? Go to any street in Bangladesh and ask any one in the street from rickshaw puller to guy who is driving Mercedes Benz car about Bar Moinul and I can assure you he has no good standing among people of any walks of life. Bar Moinul is a corrupt, jealous, man of ill logic, unfaithful bigots.
 
Lies can become the beginning of the end for this government that came to end not one but all lies. If it fails to uphold the trust then its end is nearer like the previous one.
 
Thanks.
Shamim Chowdhury
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[ALOCHONA] Separation of judiciary

Alochoks:

A foundation pillar of democracy - the separation of judiciary from the executive has been fulfilled in Bangladesh recently. It is a significant accomplishment for the nation. It means greater potential for the rule of law and increased protection of our rights. Justice is greatly strengthened today, perhaps more than at any other time in our history.

Obviously with any change, there will be resistance from those who are entrenched in the old system. On a certain level this is understandable - old habits and old ways of doing things are difficult to change - no matter how good the intentions.

I hope the government and the judiciary will continue to persevere in the practicals steps towards implementing this landmark transition.

- M. Raheem
New York
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Re: [ALOCHONA] Why did India help Bangladesh?

Dear Mr. Maruf:

Some of what you say is based on half truths but most else on a selective polemical calculation representing your political views couched carefully to draw "patriotic" sentiment and in a language to appear rational & responsible.

My question to you is has Bangladesh in its dealings with India been completely altruistic let alone realistic. If yes then it must be the world's most unique nation. Worthy of emulation by all other nations of the world. Wouldnt  you say?

On the other hand, if the answer is no then whats good for the goose is also alright for the gander. I would venture to guess it is the latter.

As Bangladeshis, we should therefore move on towards a more realistic foreign & economic policy based on our strategic and tactical interests that reflect the geo political realities of the neighborhood we were placed in by Providence.

Robin Khundkar

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Subject: [ALOCHONA] Why did India help Bangladesh?

Why did India help in 1971?

By Shah Mohammed Saifuddin (Maruf), Bangladesh

Unlike our other neighbours India has a special place in our history
because of its help in our liberation war. When the Pakistani
military was murdering hundreds of thousands of unarmed people and
raping the women of the then East Pakistan, India came forward with
its helping hand and contributed to arming and training the mukti
bahini. Almost 10 million people took shelter in India, especially
in the states adjacent to East Pakistan border. Nobody in Bangladesh
questions the fact that we got help from India but many question the
nature of the help. Was it selfless help or India had a strategic
interest in helping Bangladesh?

With a view to find out the truth we have to analyze what India
gained from our freedom struggle and its attitude toward Bangladesh
after our liberation war. Let us examine the entire thing from
strategic, economic, and political point of views.

Strategic point of view
India's peculiar geographic position constituted a major threat to
its national security. Due to the geographic location of then East
Pakistan, the seven sisters were completely isolated from the
mainland. A small corridor, popularly known as chicken neck, was the
only passage that could be used for traffic movement. Militarily,
India was pretty vulnerable especially due to Chinese presence along
the border. The war that was fought between India and China taught
India the lesson that faster troops mobility is the only way to win
a war. So, India needed transit facility through East Pakistan to
transport troops and logistics faster to defend its vulnerable North
Eastern states. Besides that, Pakistan was playing a vital role in
instigating the insurgents in Assam and elsewhere to break up the
entire region. The Indian military strategists were out of options
and didn't know how the North Eastern region would be saved. The
Hawkish politicians in India came to the conclusion that breaking up
Pakistan is the only way to save the militarily insecure North
Eastern region. By doing so,

•They could weaken Pakistan and reduce the threat level.

•Recapture the Pakistani portion of Kashmir

•Create a new state that would be militarily and economically weak
and provide the much needed transit for troops and logistics
transportation

•Project India as a regional superpower and warn all elements
inimical to India's security that India had the power to defend
itself.

Economic point of view
India also had an economic objective to dismember Pakistan. India
was a country with huge population and needed additional resources
to uplift its economy. The economic cooperation with Pakistan was
all but encouraging. Besides that, the water resources of the
Himalayas were needed for India for irrigation and power generation.
Due to Pakistan's strong military, India was unable to use the
resources unilaterally. Despite being a third world nation, Pakistan
was a huge economic market that was able to absorb millions of
dollars worth of Indian commodities. But the hostility between the
two nations retarded the possibility of a robust economic
cooperation between the two nations.

Indian policymakers thought that if they could break Pakistan and
create a new and weaker Bangladesh then they would be able to gain
unrestricted access to its economic market. India knew that as a new
nation, Bangladesh would need cheap industrial products to revive
its economy. So, there was a tremendous potential for economic
cooperation between the two nations. India also wanted to get
transit through Bangladesh to transport raw materials for its North
Eastern states. The economically backward North Eastern region
needed more investment and various products to energize its economy.
So, the Indians thought Bangladesh would be much more beneficial for
Indian economy than East Pakistan. The economic calculation was very
accurate because India managed to sell hundreds of millions of
dollars worth of cheap products to Bangladesh both legally and
illegally. They destroyed the thriving jute industry of Bangladesh
to build their own right after our independence.

India flooded the local Bangladeshi market with its products and
offered millions of dollars more as loans to buy Indian commodities.
We were reduced to a trading nation and almost destroyed the very
basis of our own industry. India encouraged smuggling along the Indo-
Bangla border so the government of Bangladesh had to close the
border to stop the rampant smuggling to save the local traders.
India never wanted an economically prosperous Bangladesh rather it
wanted to use us as a market for its own products and in the process
make us dependent on them.

If we look at the present situation, the lopsided trade relation
between the two nations speaks volume of the Indian intention to
help us in 1971. Bangladesh is an open market economy and allows
duty free access for Indian products to our market. But India
follows a restricted policy when it comes to importing Bangladeshi
products and imposed numerous tariffs and para-tariffs on the
Bangladeshi goods. The yawning trade imbalance is a testament to the
fact that India never wanted an economically self-sufficient
Bangladesh.

Political point of view
Former Indian foreign secretary Mr. Dixit said, "We helped in the
liberation of Bangladesh in mutual interest, it was not a favour,"
His statement is clear evidence that India did not help Bangladesh
on humanitarian ground. India had a long-term strategic plan to
dismember Pakistan for its own gain. India had cultivated deep
political relation with the disgruntled elements within the
erstwhile East Pakistan. [1] As per a senior RAW intelligence
officer, "Bangladesh was the result of a 10 year long promotion of
dissatisfaction against the rulers of Pakistan".

This goes to prove that helping Bangladesh was not an instantaneous
decision of India rather it was a carefully designed strategic plan
that was executed in pinpoint precision.

One of the top bosses of RAW, K. Sankaran Nair, was responsible for
training the erstwhile East Pakistani officers in guerrilla warfare.
He also established excellent relation with Sheikh Mujibur Rahman.
The relation was maintained via a RAW operative Mr. Banerjee. RAW
even funded the 1970s election, in which Sheikh Mujib emerged as the
winner [2].

But after the liberation, things did not go the way India had
planned. Mujib was assassinated and Awami League was ousted from the
power. General Ziaur Rahman came to power and adopted an anti India
foreign and defense policy to drag Bangladesh out of Indian sphere
of influence. He established good economic and political relation
with America and China. He also repaired relations with the Middle
Eastern countries and created a huge opportunity for the Bangladeshi
workers in the Arab nations. Money started to pour in and the
economy got better. He amended the constitution to give it an
Islamic flavour in a country where 90% people were Muslims. The
Indian policymakers observed the political development in Bangladesh
and clearly understood that things were getting worse as far as
Indian interest was concerned.

In the meantime, General Ziaur Rahman took various measures to
upgrade the military. A close defense relation was established
between Bangladesh and China. This irked the military establishment
of India. They considered it a hostile act and found it hard to
digest. The disgruntled elements in Delhi decided to create a rebel
group in Chittagong hill tracts to keep Bangladesh under pressure
and drain as much resources of this newly born poor country as
possible. Shanti bahini played havock with the lives and properties
of the people in CHT. General Zia quickly decided to populate CHT
with Bengalees to maintain the territorial integrity of Bangladesh.
In the meantime, India forcefully occupied South Talpatty
disregarding Bangladesh's request for a joint survey to determine
the ownership of the Island. [3] General Zia was assassinated in
1981 and many observers believe that RAW had a hand in the incident.

General Ershad came to power in 1982 and more or less followed the
same foreign policy as General Zia. But Ershad knew he should not
annoy India beyond a certain limit so a tendency to keep India in
good humour was obvious in his India policy. During his tenure, he
agreed to abolish the guarantee clause from the water sharing treaty
signed by General Zia. It went against our national interest because
after abolishment of the guarantee clause, India reduced the water
supply even further and that affected our agriculture and ecology.
But the fact of the matter is even General Ershad couldn't take a
fully pro-Indian stance due to public pressure. He had to continue
the military modernization and amended the constitution to declare
Islam as the state religion. This drew ire from the top leaders of
India. Ershad didn't even try to take any initiative to give transit
to India fearing wide spread protest across the country.

Actually, the Indian leaders knew that the only party that was able
to meet the Indian strategic demands was Awami League. They never
stopped keeping relations with Awami League and provided all sorts
of logistis support to Sheikh Hasina. According to some well-
informed observers, India provided Tk. 300 crore to Awami League to
win the 1996 election(Weekly Shugondha, 26th April, 1996). India's
clandestine support for a particular party is a testament to the
fact that India had a strategic reason to help Bangladesh in 1971.

If India's help was altruistic in nature, India would have tried to
win the hearts and minds of the people of Bangladesh but they never
felt the need to do that and continued with their policy to
clandestinely help bring Awami League to power. Even today, India
leaves no stone unturned to malign Bangladesh. The Indian foreign
ministry spends millions of dollars to hire foreign journalists to
make fictitious reports to portray Bangladesh as Taliban
sympathizer. Fortunately, Bangladesh took quick action to hang a few
mis-guided Mullahs who were creating some disturbances. Bangladesh
even signed various treaties to help the international community to
combat terrorism.

More can be written to prove that India's help in 1971 was not an
altruistic one rather it was for gaining strategic advantages. India
has an ambitious vision of becoming a world power but how can they
achieve their goal if they cannot convince their neighbours that
their intentions are benign? Using force to subjugate the weaker
neighbours is not the way to go to establish a relation based on
mutual trust and respect.

References :
1.RAW: Top-Secret Failures, p: 5
2.Ibid. , p: 8
3.Limits of Diplomacy: Bangladesh, Partha. S. Ghosh

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[vinnomot] Inspiration For Taliban Attack on Women’s Rights Group is Islam

http://islam-watch.org/Others/Taliban-Inspiration-Islam.htm
 
Inspiration For Taliban Attack on Women's Rights Group is Islam
 
B Kisan
 
23 Oct, 2007
 
The latest of a long series of vicious attacks on women's schools and institutions came on Sunday October 22nd when Taliban Mujahideen attempted to blow up an NGO promoting women's education and rights, Khawando Kor (Sisters' Home).
     Fortunately they only managed to blow up one of their own and the other two accomplices have been arrested. However the campaign of terrorization is often successful and continues.
 
The politically correct wisdom is always parroted that Taliban's treatment of women is nothing to do with Islam but due to some local cultural factors only and the real Islam is supposed to be a progressive dream for women. Whilst this whitewash might be diplomatic a look at the behavior of the prophet of Islam and Islam's perfect holy book the Qu'ran reveals the absolute antithesis of women's rights.
 
Women are according to the Qu'ran: can be beaten to make them obedient Q.4:34, Women's witness is only worth half of men's Q.2.282, women can receive only half of the inheritance of men Q.4.11, Women have unequal rights to divorce, Men may have 4 wives at a time and unlimited sex slaves. Even married women slaves who they capture are permitted for their enjoyment by the Islamic God Allah: Q.23:05-06, Q.4:24 "Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess….."Q.33:50 "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee….." Their marriages would be immediately dissolved by the Merciful Allah.
 
Allah's Prophet Mohammad had no compunction in getting women murdered as in the case of Asma Bint Marwan so violence against women wouldn't be problematic on that front.
 
The patriarchal and retrogressive Taliban are only following their ideal role model
who had all the morality of an alpha male monkey. Let us consider his ideal life:
 
In spite of the Qu'ranic restriction of only 4 wives (at a time) and unlimited sex with 'right hand possessions' he notched up an impressive harem of wives, even trading 7 of his captured slaves for an attractive female: "Allah, the Majestic and the Glorious, defeated them (the inhabitants of Khaibar), and there fell to the lot of Dihya a beautiful girl, and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) got her in exchange of seven heads…." Sahih Muslim 8:3328, Allah's prophet at the age of 50 married a young girl of six and consummated that marriage when she was 9 years old Bukhari.5.55.236 "Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old." This is the prophet who Muslims are to emulate faithfully Q.33.21. He traded slaves, launched aggressive wars to spread his religion, and ordered his followers to fight non-believers until they accept Islam or an inferior humiliated status and pay a toll tax for the privilege of practicing their own religious belief and not being killed by his followers: Q.9:29 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
 
Here are some of Allah's last and final Prophet's views on Women:
 
Majority of hell's residents are women [Sahih Bukhari 1.6.301]
 
Like dogs and donkey's women annul prayers [Sahih Bukhari 1.9.490]
 
Islamic Women Should be prolific baby factories so that Islam can outnumber non-believers with their help [Sunaan Abu Dawood 11.2045]
 
A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife [Sunaan Abu Dawood 11.2142]
 
Suggested 'moderate' female circumcision [Sunaan Abu Dawood 41.5251]
 
Women are deficient in intelligence [Sahih Bukhari 1.6.301]
 
Islam is a power doctrine to subjugate into submission gullible followers. Women's rights are its anti-thesis and a threat to be mercilessly crushed.
Women can only expect slavery and second-class citizenship under Islam. Human rights are rights fought for by humans and are not to be surrendered to unproven claims of divine revelation.
 

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[ALOCHONA] Fwd: Re: Gen Moeens US trip, and my long exhalation

An hour ago Kate Hoagland a spokesperson for Ash Institute of Harvard officially confirmed there are no public events around General Moeen's visit. Instead there are informal meetings few with officials at Ash Institute which are not open to the public or the press. No video, audio excerpts or transcript will be available for such informal courtesy visit.
 
Gen. Moeen's claim of officially invited by Harvard (interviewed by Bangla television of UK) to deliver a speech fell apart sometime ago when Harvard turn such event as untrue.
Please check video excerpt of his interview
Link: http://deshivoice. blogspot. com/2007/ 10/genereal- moeens-interview .html
 
 
Some national daily news paper in Bangladesh published news that Gen. Moeen will deliver a speech arranged by Ash Institute for Democratic Governance and Innovation came untrue as the first one.
 
Instead of getting the nation proud, these deliberate lies are make the nation frustrated and looses their faith on what the high officials of this government says and does.
 
Now it is to be seen if David C. King, a lecturer of Harvard University can arrange general to meet his students in his class and save from this disgraceful situation.
 
Sincerely
Shamim Chowdhury
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Shamim Chowdhury <veirsmill@yahoo.com> wrote:
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 03:34:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shamim Chowdhury <veirsmill@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Gen Moeens US trip, and my long exhalation
To: Shamim Chowdhury <veirsmill@yahoo.com>

There is a possibility that Dr. David C. King will not be arranging the event for Gen. Moeen to be introduced to his class rather he may be instrumental arranging an alternative. Some sources claimed Harvard arvardHteacher originating from West Bengal India were persuaded to arrange such event who failed to get permission from Harvard authority.
 
Not sure yet, but it looks like finally if not Harvard University which is very unlikely from all the information in hand then The Roy and Lila Ash Institute for Democratic Governance and Innovation institute might arrange a podium for our general to deliver his much talked speech on 21st or 22nd of October. Most likely 22nd as general will be leaving Boston on 23rd arriving on 21st.
 
There are numerous institute and organization with Harvard and Ash Institution is one of them The Ash Institute was established in May 2003 aiming to work on understanding comprehensive perspective and involvement with the ever increasing issues of democratic governance itself—from its philosophy and principles to the more specific operational processes where the 'government meets the people.
 
Most likely Gowher Rizvi, Director of Ash Institute and probably Stephen Goldsmith Director of the Innovations in American Government Program at the John F. Kennedy School will be present at this occasion among others if Ash Institute host the event.
 
Sincerely
Shamim Chowdhury
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Shamim Chowdhury <veirsmill@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gen. Moeen U. Ahmed on his way to America stopped by London and gave a personal glorifying interview with local Bangla TV.
 
Please check video excerpt of his interview
Link: http://deshivoice.blogspot.com/2007/10/genereal-moeens-interview.html
 
Gen. Moeen proudly mentioned the very reason he is taking this long trip because Harvard University has invited him to deliver a speech. He did not fail to mention that Bangladesh should feel proud that such a big institution has invited his military chief. While he was talking about receiving his invitation, his face was beamingly glowing with proud.
 
Surely, we should be proud of such event, which suppose to take place on 21st of October. We will closely monitor the outcome of such event if it really takes place. It is not just for personal ecstasy but which need to be shared as a nation according to general himself.
 
I am trying to learn about this scheduled historical event for Bangladesh from Harvard University web portal as well as their offices but unfortunately, so far I am completely unsuccessful. Neither their web portal nor their offices can trace such event exist.
 
Nevertheless, I cannot give up! It hits my pride as a nation. My General is not lying for sure, so it must be the incompetent officio of Harvard who does not have any knowledge about this historic event for Bangladesh. Alternatively, may be something more interesting then that, Uhoo! Is it possible that America is giving security of my general highest priority and therefore not disclosing his appearance?
 
However, some of the sources I have with Harvard is giving me very hart breaking news, what is it? It is not Harvard but a teaching staff namely Dr. David C. King who invited General Moeen in his personal capacity to speak in front of student of his own class therefore this scheduled event is not published in Harvard notice board.
 
Though, by now I am very disappointed but still looking for an escape window not for my self but for my nation from this disgraceful situation. I started my inquiry about who is this David C. King. In my mind, he must be some one very especial with high connection that brought my general here in US with hope that this will be glorifying for his nation, which is, mine too.
 
But when bad news comes it comes from all side, I take a deep breath, lungful of air and exhale a very long mouthful of air with complete frustration. Dr. David C. King is a Lecturer in Public Policy at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government, where he teaches about the U.S. Congress, Election Reform, and Youth Political Engagement.  Professor King joined the Harvard faculty in 1992.
 
Dr. Kings resume includes following as his specialty
Legislatures and representation
Elections and election administration
The mobilization and political attitudes of young people
 
Bangladesh government sought his advice for election reform and wanted to appoint him as special consultant during his visit to Bangladesh. For that reason and out of courtesy, he invited Gen. Moeen to come to his school and to speak to his class and probably finalize the deal of him working as consultant. That is it, nothing more and nothing less remains about this story and my investigation ended there with a face longer then when I started. Now readers it is up to you to decide how proud you feel out of this ordinary story to make this event extraordinary for my poor nation.
 
I am still field with optimism that the accounts I am giving you is untrue and Harvard will give my general a red carpet reception. Let me confess, its not just for him or my nation but my over frustrated long face to go normal.
 
Sincerely with long exhalation
Shamim Chowdhury
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[vinnomot] Fwd: Re: Gen Moeens US trip, and my long exhalation

An hour ago Kate Hoagland a spokesperson for Ash Institute of Harvard officially confirmed there are no public events around General Moeen's visit. Instead there are informal meetings few with officials at Ash Institute which are not open to the public or the press. No video, audio excerpts or transcript will be available for such informal courtesy visit.
 
Gen. Moeen's claim of officially invited by Harvard (interviewed by Bangla television of UK) to deliver a speech fell apart sometime ago when Harvard turn such event as untrue.
Please check video excerpt of his interview
Link: http://deshivoice. blogspot. com/2007/ 10/genereal- moeens-interview .html
 
 
Some national daily news paper in Bangladesh published news that Gen. Moeen will deliver a speech arranged by Ash Institute for Democratic Governance and Innovation came untrue as the first one.
 
Instead of getting the nation proud, these deliberate lies are make the nation frustrated and looses their faith on what the high officials of this government says and does.
 
Now it is to be seen if David C. King, a lecturer of Harvard University can arrange general to meet his students in his class and save from this disgraceful situation.
 
Sincerely
Shamim Chowdhury
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Shamim Chowdhury <veirsmill@yahoo.com> wrote:
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 03:34:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shamim Chowdhury <veirsmill@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Gen Moeens US trip, and my long exhalation
To: Shamim Chowdhury <veirsmill@yahoo.com>

There is a possibility that Dr. David C. King will not be arranging the event for Gen. Moeen to be introduced to his class rather he may be instrumental arranging an alternative. Some sources claimed Harvard arvardHteacher originating from West Bengal India were persuaded to arrange such event who failed to get permission from Harvard authority.
 
Not sure yet, but it looks like finally if not Harvard University which is very unlikely from all the information in hand then The Roy and Lila Ash Institute for Democratic Governance and Innovation institute might arrange a podium for our general to deliver his much talked speech on 21st or 22nd of October. Most likely 22nd as general will be leaving Boston on 23rd arriving on 21st.
 
There are numerous institute and organization with Harvard and Ash Institution is one of them The Ash Institute was established in May 2003 aiming to work on understanding comprehensive perspective and involvement with the ever increasing issues of democratic governance itself—from its philosophy and principles to the more specific operational processes where the 'government meets the people.
 
Most likely Gowher Rizvi, Director of Ash Institute and probably Stephen Goldsmith Director of the Innovations in American Government Program at the John F. Kennedy School will be present at this occasion among others if Ash Institute host the event.
 
Sincerely
Shamim Chowdhury
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Shamim Chowdhury <veirsmill@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gen. Moeen U. Ahmed on his way to America stopped by London and gave a personal glorifying interview with local Bangla TV.
 
Please check video excerpt of his interview
Link: http://deshivoice.blogspot.com/2007/10/genereal-moeens-interview.html
 
Gen. Moeen proudly mentioned the very reason he is taking this long trip because Harvard University has invited him to deliver a speech. He did not fail to mention that Bangladesh should feel proud that such a big institution has invited his military chief. While he was talking about receiving his invitation, his face was beamingly glowing with proud.
 
Surely, we should be proud of such event, which suppose to take place on 21st of October. We will closely monitor the outcome of such event if it really takes place. It is not just for personal ecstasy but which need to be shared as a nation according to general himself.
 
I am trying to learn about this scheduled historical event for Bangladesh from Harvard University web portal as well as their offices but unfortunately, so far I am completely unsuccessful. Neither their web portal nor their offices can trace such event exist.
 
Nevertheless, I cannot give up! It hits my pride as a nation. My General is not lying for sure, so it must be the incompetent officio of Harvard who does not have any knowledge about this historic event for Bangladesh. Alternatively, may be something more interesting then that, Uhoo! Is it possible that America is giving security of my general highest priority and therefore not disclosing his appearance?
 
However, some of the sources I have with Harvard is giving me very hart breaking news, what is it? It is not Harvard but a teaching staff namely Dr. David C. King who invited General Moeen in his personal capacity to speak in front of student of his own class therefore this scheduled event is not published in Harvard notice board.
 
Though, by now I am very disappointed but still looking for an escape window not for my self but for my nation from this disgraceful situation. I started my inquiry about who is this David C. King. In my mind, he must be some one very especial with high connection that brought my general here in US with hope that this will be glorifying for his nation, which is, mine too.
 
But when bad news comes it comes from all side, I take a deep breath, lungful of air and exhale a very long mouthful of air with complete frustration. Dr. David C. King is a Lecturer in Public Policy at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government, where he teaches about the U.S. Congress, Election Reform, and Youth Political Engagement.  Professor King joined the Harvard faculty in 1992.
 
Dr. Kings resume includes following as his specialty
Legislatures and representation
Elections and election administration
The mobilization and political attitudes of young people
 
Bangladesh government sought his advice for election reform and wanted to appoint him as special consultant during his visit to Bangladesh. For that reason and out of courtesy, he invited Gen. Moeen to come to his school and to speak to his class and probably finalize the deal of him working as consultant. That is it, nothing more and nothing less remains about this story and my investigation ended there with a face longer then when I started. Now readers it is up to you to decide how proud you feel out of this ordinary story to make this event extraordinary for my poor nation.
 
I am still field with optimism that the accounts I am giving you is untrue and Harvard will give my general a red carpet reception. Let me confess, its not just for him or my nation but my over frustrated long face to go normal.
 
Sincerely with long exhalation
Shamim Chowdhury
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[ALOCHONA] General Moeen Violating Constitution and Govt. Service Rules

General Moeen is like any other government servant (only difference he has a gun but the others don't have). He cannot talk about politics. His position in the Warrant of Precedence is number 9, below the Defence Secretary. Can Defence Secretary talk about politics? Absolutely not. General Moeen has only one responsibility to defend our border. Period. Yesterday Indian BSF killed two innocent Bangladeshi citizens in the border. What is he doing about that?
 
Unfortunately he is advising other Bangladeshis living in abroad not to involve in politics, but Gen. Moeen is talking loudly about politics while he is strictly prohibited by the Govt. Service Rule not to do so. This is nothing but so called 'Jago Bangladesh!".
I feel really sorry when I see fellow members of this Group are praising his speech. Please do not do it. He could turn out to be Monster. Look at Pakistan.
 

"junaid.sultan" <junaid.sultan@yahoo.com> wrote:
I like the way General Moeen U Ahmed is speaking to public and to
media during his recent visit to UK and USA. He is still a
Government servant but he is talking openly about Government
policies more than any other member of CTG including the CA. He is
desperately trying his best to defend himself against the corruption
he committed. I wonder why he is so sensitive to defend himself
against charges which were never placed. He is terming Sheikh Mujib
as father of nation and in the same breath equating Zia urRahman
with Mujib. I am bit curious to know if he thinks Sheikh Mujib is
the father of nation, why not declare it. Mind it; he has been
talking about Government policies for long.

He started saying that he does not have the ambition to be the
president of the republic but denies saying it the following day. He
says that democracy cannot work without honest people. I want to
know from him, if autocracy can work without honest people. There is
no compromise on honesty. On that lame accuse, election cannot be
delayed.

I like the general though I want to know if he is that honest why he
promoted himself to the rank of General from Lt. General immediately
after this Government came to power. Was not that misuse of power?
I also want to know on what account he is touring UK and USA at
present. Is not he visiting his son and brother in Florida?

Those who live in glass-houses don't throw stones on others.

Regards

Junaid


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RE: [ALOCHONA] CTG: Summary of anti corruption drive

Dear Br. Ehsan:

 

I fully understand your rationale on why people have earned these unthinkable sums (crores) in illegal money as “white collar criminals”.  While I do not want sit on a moral high horse, we must determine as a society how much is too much.  However, under no circumstances can I condone the extent of the corruption as we have been seeing in the upper echelon of the Bangladesh society.  Unethical and immoral activities by a handful diminish us all as citizens of Bangladesh. 

 

For last couple of years Bangladesh has made it to the top as one of the most corrupt nations on earth. Not a very good feeling!  It’s about time we paid attention to the underlying causes of this rampant social disease, and inculcated ethics, morality and values in our everyday lives.  As you and I all know in order to cover one lie we have to tell more than one lie.  Same goes for illegal payback or bribes.  The bribe taker is no less guilty than the bribe giver; just because the taker is poorer than the giver we cannot justify one over the other.  They both are equally guilty.  After 36 year of independence we cannot and we should not look the other way when we see corruption. 

 

We Bangladeshis are pound to say to the rest of the world that we may be the poorest among the nations but we are a moderate Muslim nation with acting democracy in place.

 

Long live Bangladesh and down with corruption!

 

Pore kotha hobe!

 

Nurul Hossain

USA

From: alochona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:alochona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ehsan Hoque
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:29 PM
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] CTG: Summary of anti corruption drive

 

Hello All,
 
I have been reading this forum for a while. It is interesting to read people's opinions. Some very well taken, some long time after the fact and some so asinine that I shudder to think of its author. I don't know which category my two cents fall into... However, here is my rant:
 
I am delighted to see Bangladesh recovering untold sums from what some have dubbed "white collar criminals". However, something that needs to be addressed by our country is the ocean that divides the pay of a government employee vs the pay in the private sector. There is not even a hint of parity. So why would any sane person go work for the Government? There are many noble answers to this, however, the ignoble is what is glaring. "I can make untold sums by taking bribes because it is easy. I can justify this because compared to the person I am taking the bribe from I am a hundred times worse off". How does a government, caretaker or corrupt, elected or selected address this?
 
I say we reduce the size of the government and increase pay many fold. University professors must be better paid. Universities should raise the price of room and board and unthinkably, even tuition. DU must be restored to its former glory. Police must be paid better and better equipped. I know I am telling you what you already know... the real question is how does one act? I for one don't know and am willing to listen to suggestions.
 
Sincerely from washington dc.
Ehsan

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