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Thursday, July 16, 2009

[mukto-mona] Re: On Akbar Hossein

Many thanks to Akbar Hossain and Sentu Tikadar for their scholarly articles. Keeping full respect to their views I like to state my views on a few issues. Do we really need to defend any religious scripture? When we go through these scriptures we learn about different messages that these scriptures intend to convey. It is not the case that we always blindly accept all these messages to be useful or true. In fact we have our own conscience.So if an individual from a particular religion tries to point out harmful aspects of any message of his or any other's religion what necessitates a person from the religion under criticism to come forward in defence of it? Is he/she sure that all the contents of his/her religious scripture are pure and harmless? Why cannot we take such criticism in a constructive manner to rectify ourselves? Why do we try to conceal the fact that these religious scriptures were written long time ago and threby, contain many messages that have no relevance to the present day reality? As to Hindu religious scriptures I am very much sure that these are simply precious wealth of humanity. The spiritual appeals that they bring to us will continue to comfort the souls of humankind foever. As to social and economic aspects Hindu religious scriptures are understandably no different from the scriptures of other religions. Human society is always in a state of change and therefore, we need continuous modifications in these areas to adapt ourselves with the changes. It is of no use to critise any custom if it is not being practiced now.Hindus need not to be ashamed of caste system and its malpractice in the past. Such system was practiced in every society of the world in one form or another. Slavery was widely practiced in the past under the auspices of Abrahamic religions. What Hindus need to do now is to look into the heart of their religious scriptures and view every individual irrespective of his/her race, religion and culture as divine deity. The only way to get rid of their past sins is to show proper respect to the humanity as a whole and recognize the rights of every individual to live with dignity.


Pintu Kanungoe
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> Thanks for asking these questions but I am not a pundit on any subject. I profess what I personally believe. Many among us really do not understand what really Dharma is. For the sake of generalization we randomly use the word Dharma as religion. There is no doubt that the literal meaning of Dharma is religion but not in the way we stamp religion as Hinduism, Christianity or Islam etc. In the real Sanskrit terminology dharma means nature and in this discussion we are taking it as spiritual nature. So the basic meaning of Dharma here is ones commitment to virtues. The crude way of believing in a certain faith creates a vicious barrier between faith and freedom of thinking. The problem with Islamic faith starts with its very rigid conditions. If I don’t surrender my freedom to certain blind conditions I am not a Muslim. This question of renouncing Islam by a Muslim is a glaring example of Islam’s aims to regiment a follower’s life. Martin Luther
> revolted against the Roman church and for that disobedience he was excommunicated but the Pope did not ask for his head.
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> Thousands Hindus were converted to Islam and Christianity any Hindu gave a fatwa for their beheading? No. As a matter of fact the original Islam of 7th century had a clear agenda for the pagan Arabs of Mecca. But some overzealous mullahs starting from the Middle Ages have taken over this faith and made it a draconian cult. The aim of a faith is to discipline not to dictate its followers. It’s wrong to think that if a person renounces Islam he is renouncing his commitment to virtues. This commitment is a purely personal domain which is not dependent on any specific faith.
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> In the philosophical sense the synthesis of all traditional religions comes to rest in secularism. Islam does not recognize secular views. A Muslim must follow the strict edicts of Islam; therefore secular views are not entertained by Islam. The idea of peace is a great but peace must be based on freedom and forbearance. The predominant notion of an ‘infidel” is a repulsive state of the mind which creates hatred.
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> You have told that you are not a Pundit (Pondit). But after reading your write- up it seems that you are no less than a Pondit. You explained things in a very simple understandable way to the common people . Your humbleness is appreciated very much. Your viewpoint regarding Dharma (Dharmo) is the view point of hundreds of thousands people. Dharma means what we 'Hold' to lead our lives in a good way . The quality, the virtue, the good principles are Dharma .
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>  When some person cheats some other person, then the cheated one tells in a sad mood or in a aggressive mood " Tor ei dharmo ?"-means Do you possess this quality with you? So by this simple line we can understand Dharma does not basically means a particular Religion. But actually now-a-days it means religion because each religion tells some ethics and good principles to lead our lives in a better way. The term 'better' way is very relative word. A thief's better way of life is to steal. A pickpocket's better way of life is to pickpocket. A real sage's better way of life is to teach the morality of lives.
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> Hindu Religion or Sanatan Dharma is very difficult to understand. Only the learned people can made us understand. Zend-Avesta ,Tripitak, Bible,Koran is read by at least 60 % people from each of those holders but Vedas, Gita, etc. as such is being read by how much percentage of the holders of these? I can tell Vedas are not gone through by one person in 1000 persons in Hindus. It is very difficult to understand. Gita's inherent meaning is very tough to understand too.
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> It is believed that Vedas came from the mouth of Brahma, the Creator.Some one told he intercoursed Saraswati. A person who is the creator of the universe as per Hindu faith  can be consider a father. In this sense Brahma might be the father of Saraswati. Bal Gangadhar Tilak (one of freedom fighter of the trio Lal-Bal-Pal) had written Sita was Ram's sister. It was his opinion. So in this way Brahma may be the father of Saraswati.
> The Hindu religion is basically  based on democracy. Freedom is so much there that I read many poem regarding the relationship of Sita and Laxmana in pornographic books. Even some one drew the naked picture of Saraswati in a democratic country.
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> Indra, the king of the Heaven (I do not consider there is any heaven in the sky or some where. I possess the same notion regarding heaven and hell like M.M. Dutta of Sagardari of Jessor) was like Bill Clinton. He was so 'sensual'  that he approached to the wife of a hermit in disguise as the hermit and had intercoursed with her. I do not know it is mythology or what.
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> The Vedas were only in the possession of the Brahmins (the learned elite of Veidic age). The four classes of castes were based on professions but later it had become the status of the society. The lowest class, the farmer or  laborer  class was become the untouchable class in our ancient subcontinent. They were not able to enter the temples even being Hindu. They were being prevented to enter the temple premises by the Brahmins. They were not allowed to learn Sanskrit because they were untouchable or impure. The road they used to walk had become impure. Not much long time ago, even the composer and chief editor of Indian Constitution Bhim Rao Ambedkar was not allowed to mingle with upper strata students in his pathsala (elementary school).The school teacher was very kind to him because of his intelligence and Ambedkar was allowed to sit far away from other students at the rear side in the school.
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> The ancient Brahmins did as much good as to the ancient society and simultaneously did as much as bad to the society.They made many rules and regulations to satisfy their needs and requirements.
> If an untouchable would enter the kitchen, the kitchen would become impure but the same untouchable when would collect and bring the fire woods to be used for cooking in a Brahmin family, the cooked food would not become impure.
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> There were no mention of burning the widows in the funeral fire alongwith the husbands in Vedas or in any scriptures. Raja Ram Mohan Ray proved it and abolished the burning of widows with the support of the English. Brahmins introduced the social system that widows could not be able to marry as per scriptures. It was no where mentioned in any scriptures that widow could not be re-married again proved by Iswar Chnadra Vidyasagar . He had arranged getting married his son with a widow of Khantura (Khatura) village in north 24 Parganas of West Bengal.
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> In the Mughal period the much conversion of Hindus to Muslim took place. Specially it was at threshold in the period of Aurangjeb.
> The reasons of the conversion were many. Equality in Muslim-ism might  be one of the solid reasons to accept Islam in a caste based Hindu society.
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> The rigidity of Muslim-ism was a requirement in 7th. century. The founder well understood it and also he understood impregnation of secular view might not help his newly funded Path to civilize the unruly and undisciplined Beduin and thus his new religion might not go further. He was absolutely right. Now there is no 7th. century.     
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> Do we need religion now? I do not know. But we know these religions have divided us. The hard line doctrines of several religions are lethal.
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> In every Dharma more or less there are some 'Adhrma' (antonym of Dharma).The Adhrma is just like Virus. We should not keep faith in those harmful virus- the virus of faith. We have much more responsibility to be united to iradicate terrorism from any sect of Faiths , to iradicate poverty, to iradicate illiteracy , to educate our women on science,  to feed our malnutrition- suffering children and women. Can the Adhrma be abandoned by us and can we try to build up a new horizon of  solidarity where there will be no touch of caste discrepancy, religious fundamentalism. Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Buddhists, Sikhs all will love and respect  to each other  from the fathom of the hearts. If we are bold and strong enough in our minds to love each other  then our many problem will be solved easily.
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[ALOCHONA] Tipaimukh Dam, Asian Highway will bring disaster



Tipaimukh Dam, Asian Highway will bring disaster

 
Country's independent, sovereignty, overall trade volume, ecology and agriculture will seriously be affected if Tipaimukh Dam on Barak River and Asian Highway are constructed. The observation was made by speakers at a roundtable discussion on 'Tipaimukh Dam and Asian Highway' organised by National peoples' Forum at the National Press Club on Thursday.

The speakers said now country's independent and sovereignty are under the threat of aggression. The government is seriously reconsidering its position in respect of signing the Asian Highway network for long-term interest but it will bring disaster as in fact an Indian Highway is going to be constructed in the name of Asian Highway. India will never ever help Bangladesh to achieve its high rate of economic growth because of their economic size and strength. With a view to sucking Bangladesh, India is going to construct Tipaimukh Dam and Asian Highway.

Economist Mahbub Ullah said if the Tipaimukh Dam is constructed, country's ecology, agriculture and environment will severely be affected. It must be resisted through united efforts. Nevertheless, without developing the range and pattern of economic growth with India, the government is going to link up with the so called highway for boosting economy. If it is constructed, country's overall trade volume will be decreased and all sorts of trade will also be regulated by the hints of India unilaterally.

Tareque Shamsur Rahman former University Grants Commission member said proposed Tipaimukh Dam and Asian Highway issues are related with country's national security. The dam is going to be constructed in order to deprive the country of water and for destroying country's overall trade and economic growth, the highway will also be constructed ignoring world opinion. So awareness and national consensus should be raised against Indian aggression throughout the country.

Mahmudur Rahman former power and energy adviser said without conducting environment impact analysis and holding talk with Bangladesh, India started the construction work of the dam violating international river commission law.

About Asian Highway, he said for boosting economic prosperity, the country should be linked up with Asian Highway if it is extended from Bosporus to pacific instead of Indian boundary. "We will be a nation of refugee due to the impact of Tipaimukh Dam and Asian highway if it is constructed intentionally," he said.

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[ALOCHONA] Read it: China’s forgotten people | Aijaz Zaka Syed | Arab News



Dear Sir,
Read it - at least marked parts.
Thank you very much.

 
China's forgotten people
Aijaz Zaka Syed | Arab News
 
Xinjiang does not exist. For nearly a century, China has done everything to help the world forget about the existence of its large and once vibrant Muslim region. Like Arthur Conan Doyle's "Lost World", it had been conveniently forgotten by the world, including China's numerous Muslim neighbors as well as the rest of the Muslim world.
 
While China has tried to suppress the Islamic identity of Xinjiang and its proud Muslims before and during the communist rule, what amazes one most is the willful and shameful role most Muslim countries have played in this systematic marginalization and obliteration of the distinct Islamic character and identity of the Uighurs. They may not have nodded in collusion but by looking the other way, with the rest of the world, they helped in the most ruthless purge of a great people and culture. So much so for years few in the next-door Pakistan, Afghanistan and beyond knew what had been going on in the red paradise. As for the Middle East, the less said the better. The Arabs have been so busy tending to the ever bleeding Palestinians and fighting their own little turf wars that they have had little time or patience to think about the poor Uighurs.
 
Even the Organization of the Islamic Conference, which over the years dutifully passed those perfunctory resolutions, on Palestine to Chechnya and on Kosovo to Kashmir, did not ever cast a cursory glance beyond the Karakoram toward Xinjiang.
 
Which is perhaps why the magnitude and intensity of the uprising in Xinjiang this month have come as a huge surprise to the world, reminding it of the existence of China's forgotten Muslims.
 
Clearly, you cannot suppress a people — however vulnerable and powerless — forever even if you have one of the world's most powerful armies and states at your disposal. Ask Israel. Ask Uncle Sam, woefully stuck and spread thin from Iraq to Afghanistan to Pakistan. Why, the wise old Chinese could have even asked their equally big neighbors across the endless border. The Russians are still licking their wounds sustained in Afghanistan. If Beijing thought it could "integrate" Xinjiang by force into the so-called One China, just as it did in the case of Tibet, or just as the Russians have been trying with disastrous results in Chechnya, it has been proven wrong. And how!
 
The spectacular protests in Xinjiang's capital Urumqi this month go to prove that the brute force and tanks and endless indoctrination cannot crush a free-spirited people's will to live life their own way. Freedom will find its way even in the remotest and most terrorized corners of the world. The massive government crackdown killing more than 140 people in Urumqi has been the biggest case of using state power against a civilian population since the Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989. However, it got lukewarm response in the Western media that went delirious over the opposition protests in Iran last month, playing them over and over again. Interestingly, in both Iran and Xinjiang the protesters happened to be young Muslims demanding their rights and protesting injustice. Yet they received decidedly different treatment from the world media and global champions of democracy and human rights.
 
But this is not about the classic Western hypocrisy and dual standard. What interests me more is how with changing times authoritarian regimes everywhere as well as liberal democracies are finding it difficult to keep the long subjugated people under their thumb.
 
In the global village where time and space have lost their meaning and borders are increasingly shrinking assailed by the 24/7 satellite television and Internet, you cannot keep a people locked away against their will forever. Like life and nature, freedom finds a way — to express itself. And when it does so, nothing can stop it. Not even the most fearsome armies, or their awesome weapons.
 
IT's all the more difficult to do so when those at the receiving end happen to be Muslims. Historically, Muslims have seldom given in to subjugation, wherever they are. Call them terrorists or what you will, but they just can't come to terms with injustice and oppression and suffer in silence, whether it is in the sleepy Xinjiang or the cold climes of Chechnya.
Thanks to years of duplicitous colonial policies and America's never-ending wars, localized sources of anger and conflict around the world are coalescing into a global movement of resistance. Like it or not, a new global Muslim consciousness is taking shape and this is not just confined to the Muslim heartlands but envelopes regions as diverse and dissimilar as Kosovo and Kashmir. Increasingly, Muslim resistance groups and movements are inspiring, influencing and responding to each other even as they defy all modern notions of borders and nation states.
 
China has accused both Al-Qaeda as well as the "CIA-backed separatist leaders" based in the US for the current crisis. But what could be really at work here are the influences of what is happening across the Muslim world, especially next door in Pakistan and Afghanistan. No matter what China might have persuaded the Uighurs all these years but they are not willing to part with their Islamic identity and still see themselves as a living part of the Muslim world.
More important, China's Muslims have suffered long enough and obviously cannot take it any longer. With Han Chinese systemically taking over their lands, homes and jobs, the Uighurs are facing an existential crisis that is not very different from what has happened in Palestine. Turkey's Recep Erdogan was not far off the mark when he accused Beijing of "genocide" in Xinjiang.
 
As the center and destination of the global trade along the fabled Silk Route, Xinjiang had once been one of the richest and most culturally vibrant civilizations in the world. This is the land that attracted hordes of traders from the Middle East, Africa and Europe for thousands of years including the legendary travelers such as Marco Polo and Ibn Batuta. The region with its ancient cities like Kashgar had once been part of the Caliphate.
 
No wonder Kashgar was a constant point of reference for the South Asian bard Iqbal as he talked of the Muslim glory from the River Nile to the edges of Kashgar (Neel ke sahil se lekar ta ba khake Kashgar...). It's a real shame therefore what a mess successive rulers of China have made of this ancient center of civilization and culture and its proud people. It's all the more unfortunate considering China historically has had excellent relations with Islam, right from the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him). Some of ancient China's top generals and statesmen have been Muslims (one such hero is celebrated by Dubai's Ibn Batuta Mall reliving a little known piece of history). Even today, a whopping majority in the Arab and Muslim world sees the Asian giant as a friend and a healthy counterweight to the West's tyranny.
 
After 9/11, the Arabs have increasingly reached out to China investing heavily in its exploding industries and markets. China's direct trade with Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar and other Arab states has multiplied incredibly fast over the past couple of years. All this could change if China does not change its ways of treating its Muslims. And if festering wounds in Xinjiang are not treated soon, Beijing could have a problem on its hands that would make the Tiananmen Square carnage look like picnic.

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Re: [ALOCHONA] Fulgazi UNO manhandled by BCL activists



Very soon these Awami thugs will tie up their own Prime Minister with a tree for extortion.
Do not forget they are the followers of the High Court declared "Jatir Pita" and "Shadhinotar Ghoshok".
Din Bodol hoichey!
SH
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Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:54:34 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Fulgazi UNO manhandled by BCL activists

 

Fulgazi UNO manhandled by BCL activists
Courtesy New Age 16/7/09

Staff Correspondent

Activists of the Bangladesh Chhatra League and Juba League, respectively student and youth fronts of the ruling Awami League, reportedly manhandled the upazila nirbahi officer and two other staffers of his office at Fulgazi in Feni on Wednesday.
   According to information received in Dhaka , the authority concerned floated a tender for repair of the upazila complex, and the upazila chairman and also a central Juba League leader, Ekramul Haque, distributed the work orders to the BCL and JL leaders.
   The president of the Fulgazi upazila unit of Juba League, Mahabul Alam Kala, got the work order for repair of the boundary wall and gate of the UNO's residence but he created pressure for full payment of the bill without completing the work. He was also locked in an altercation with the UNO over the quality of the work.
   On Wednesday more than 10 activists of the BCL and JL, led by Shafiqur Rahman, entered the office of the UNO at about 1:00pm with a rope. They tied up UNO Sarwar Hossain, MLSS Abdur Rab and head assistant Obaidul Haque, and tried to force the UNO to sign the bill.
   Later the local BCL president, Nazimuddin, freed the three government employees and tried to calm them down.
   The deputy commissioner of Feni, Abdul Quddus Khan, denied that the government employees had been manhandled, and said that he had got in touch with the UNO, and claimed that there had just been an altercation between the UNO and the contractor. The contractor had later apologised to the UNO for the incident, he claimed.

 




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Re: [ALOCHONA] Fw: Prime Minister or Chief Minister?



it is amazing to me that these right-wing dingbats still continue to spread fact less rubbish. AL govt. is by no means perfect, but it was the BNP govt. that allowed construction of several other dams in India, allowed water allocation and reservation, almost gave up big chunks of the Sundarban, and I can name a few other stupid things that they had done. Where was the community outrage then? Madam Zia should have been called Didi Zia or Chief Minister Khaleda.
 
I just have had enough with the lies. The philosophy, it seems, that if you don't have facts to support your argument, just pull them out of your rear end!!
 
Enough already.
 
C

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Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Fw: Prime Minister or Chief Minister?

Amar Desh is rarely a source for any credible news...

On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Isha Khan <bd_mailer@yahoo. com> wrote:




--- On Sun, 7/12/09, Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail. co.uk> wrote:
Amar Desh report, 13 July 2009, last page.
 
Leftist teachers, intellectuals and writers in meetings held at the Dhaka University asked Hasina whether she wanted to remain a Prime Minister or wanted to become a Chief Minister. They called upon the Prime Minister to refrain from being collaborators  of India and the US and, in the interest of the country, to oppose the Tipaimukh Dam and the selling of oil-gas to foreigners. They called for the expulsion of Pinak Ranjan Chakravarty.
 
They alleged against the Prothom Alo of info-terrorism and fascism and demanded release of Ashish Koraia and Prince Mahmood of the Lamp Post cultural organisation from police custody. They criticised Ramesh Chandra Sen of not understanding the magnitude of the adverse effects of the Tipaimukh Dam project.
 
Please click to read the details:
 
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[mukto-mona] Sarah Palin is back



  Now that Sarah Palin is back in the news, and she is going to start her speaking tour to try ruin all efforts to find clean and renewable energy, The DS has re-issued my article on Palin this Friday, 17th July, 2009 on their internet edition.
 
http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=55411
 
    I may piece together another one on Palin. It would be on the nasty remark she made at the Republican National Convention VP nomination acceptance speech. According to her, while Al Qaida is plotting to destroy America, mere "worrying" about others' rights is something to be held up as an object of ridicule.
 
                Farida Majid

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Re: [mukto-mona] On Akbar Hossein




There is no exact English word for Dharma. The closest one is perhaps "Characteristic." One's dharma will identify him/her existence. I my high school science examination, I was asked to name the dharma of Hydrogen gas. I had to name a unique characteristic of this invisible gas. I believe that is the best representation of dharma. Since then, I consider one's dharma as his/her unique characteristic that will identify him/her from others.

 

When we say Hindu Dharma, we mean a broad band of characteristics that indentify someone as a Hindu. This reminds me an incident when I was in High School. We were coming back home by train from a School trip. There were other people in our compartment. One guy was entertaining us with various stories. In course of conversation, he said that he can identify who are Hindus among us. One of my classmates challenged him to do so. To may surprise, he surely identified me correctly from about 7-8 kids. This story is still in my memory. Occasionally, I try to discover that special characteristic which identified me that day.

 

While dharma consists of real properties, religions are not so. All those religious scriptures are written by human beings. No one should think that all that written in those books are 100% correct or came from a heavenly source. In most cases, religious scriptures come from a third party source other than the principal one. How can someone transcribe word for word in such a detail of what someone else have said or heard. Therefore, it's only prudent to be skeptic while interpreting religious scriptures. This goes for every religion on earth, including Hinduism. No way could everything you read in the religous scriptures be correct. It's simply impossible.
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From: sentu tikadar <sentu92003@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] On Akbar Hossein
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 7:06 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for asking these questions but I am not a pundit on any subject. I profess what I personally believe. Many among us really do not understand what really Dharma is. For the sake of generalization we randomly use the word Dharma as religion. There is no doubt that the literal meaning of Dharma is religion but not in the way we stamp religion as Hinduism, Christianity or Islam etc. In the real Sanskrit terminology dharma means nature and in this discussion we are taking it as spiritual nature. So the basic meaning of Dharma here is ones commitment to virtues. The crude way of believing in a certain faith creates a vicious barrier between faith and freedom of thinking. The problem with Islamic faith starts with its very rigid conditions. If I don't surrender my freedom to certain blind conditions I am not a Muslim. This question of renouncing Islam by a Muslim is a glaring example of Islam's aims to regiment a follower's life. Martin Luther revolted against the Roman church and for that disobedience he was excommunicated but the Pope did not ask for his head.

 

Thousands Hindus were converted to Islam and Christianity any Hindu gave a fatwa for their beheading? No. As a matter of fact the original Islam of 7th century had a clear agenda for the pagan Arabs of Mecca. But some overzealous mullahs starting from the Middle Ages have taken over this faith and made it a draconian cult. The aim of a faith is to discipline not to dictate its followers. It's wrong to think that if a person renounces Islam he is renouncing his commitment to virtues. This commitment is a purely personal domain which is not dependent on any specific faith.

 

In the philosophical sense the synthesis of all traditional religions comes to rest in secularism. Islam does not recognize secular views. A Muslim must follow the strict edicts of Islam; therefore secular views are not entertained by Islam. The idea of peace is a great but peace must be based on freedom and forbearance. The predominant notion of an 'infidel" is a repulsive state of the mind which creates hatred.

 Akbar Hussain

 

 

You have told that you are not a Pundit (Pondit). But after reading your write- up it seems that you are no less than a Pondit. You explained things in a very simple understandable way to the common people . Your humbleness is appreciated very much. Your viewpoint regarding Dharma (Dharmo) is the view point of hundreds of thousands people. Dharma means what we 'Hold' to lead our lives in a good way . The quality, the virtue, the good principles are Dharma .

 

 When some person cheats some other person, then the cheated one tells in a sad mood or in a aggressive mood " Tor ei dharmo ?"-means Do you possess this quality with you? So by this simple line we can understand Dharma does not basically means a particular Religion. But actually now-a-days it means religion because each religion tells some ethics and good principles to lead our lives in a better way. The term 'better' way is very relative word. A thief's better way of life is to steal. A pickpocket's better way of life is to pickpocket. A real sage's better way of life is to teach the morality of lives.

 

Hindu Religion or Sanatan Dharma is very difficult to understand. Only the learned people can made us understand. Zend-Avesta ,Tripitak, Bible,Koran is read by at least 60 % people from each of those holders but Vedas, Gita, etc. as such is being read by how much percentage of the holders of these? I can tell Vedas are not gone through by one person in 1000 persons in Hindus. It is very difficult to understand. Gita's inherent meaning is very tough to understand too.

 

It is believed that Vedas came from the mouth of Brahma, the Creator.Some one told he intercoursed Saraswati. A person who is the creator of the universe as per Hindu faith  can be consider a father. In this sense Brahma might be the father of Saraswati. Bal Gangadhar Tilak (one of freedom fighter of the trio Lal-Bal-Pal) had written Sita was Ram's sister. It was his opinion. So in this way Brahma may be the father of Saraswati.

The Hindu religion is basically  based on democracy. Freedom is so much there that I read many poem regarding the relationship of Sita and Laxmana in pornographic books. Even some one drew the naked picture of Saraswati in a democratic country.

 

Indra, the king of the Heaven (I do not consider there is any heaven in the sky or some where. I possess the same notion regarding heaven and hell like M.M. Dutta of Sagardari of Jessor) was like Bill Clinton. He was so 'sensual'  that he approached to the wife of a hermit in disguise as the hermit and had intercoursed with her. I do not know it is mythology or what.

 

The Vedas were only in the possession of the Brahmins (the learned elite of Veidic age). The four classes of castes were based on professions but later it had become the status of the society. The lowest class, the farmer or  laborer  class was become the untouchable class in our ancient subcontinent. They were not able to enter the temples even being Hindu. They were being prevented to enter the temple premises by the Brahmins. They were not allowed to learn Sanskrit because they were untouchable or impure. The road they used to walk had become impure. Not much long time ago, even the composer and chief editor of Indian Constitution Bhim Rao Ambedkar was not allowed to mingle with upper strata students in his pathsala (elementary school).The school teacher was very kind to him because of his intelligence and Ambedkar was allowed to sit far away from other students at the rear side in the school.

 

Hundreds of the untouchables in south India embraced by Christian Missionaries.

If the Elite class in ancient time would not hate them and would allow them to be educated then perhaps the untouchables would not accept Christianity.

The caste system ruined Hindu society immensely.

 

The ancient Brahmins did as much good as to the ancient society and simultaneously did as much as bad to the society.They made many rules and regulations to satisfy their needs and requirements.

If an untouchable would enter the kitchen, the kitchen would become impure but the same untouchable when would collect and bring the fire woods to be used for cooking in a Brahmin family, the cooked food would not become impure.

 

There were no mention of burning the widows in the funeral fire alongwith the husbands in Vedas or in any scriptures. Raja Ram Mohan Ray proved it and abolished the burning of widows with the support of the English. Brahmins introduced the social system that widows could not be able to marry as per scriptures. It was no where mentioned in any scriptures that widow could not be re-married again proved by Iswar Chnadra Vidyasagar . He had arranged getting married his son with a widow of Khantura (Khatura) village in north 24 Parganas of West Bengal.

 

In the Mughal period the much conversion of Hindus to Muslim took place. Specially it was at threshold in the period of Aurangjeb.

The reasons of the conversion were many. Equality in Muslim-ism might  be one of the solid reasons to accept Islam in a caste based Hindu society.

 

The rigidity of Muslim-ism was a requirement in 7th. century. The founder well understood it and also he understood impregnation of secular view might not help his newly funded Path to civilize the unruly and undisciplined Beduin and thus his new religion might not go further. He was absolutely right. Now there is no 7th. century.     

 

Do we need religion now? I do not know. But we know these religions have divided us. The hard line doctrines of several religions are lethal.

 

But I think we need 'Dharma'. The Dharma  for the service of mankind. The service of the needy mankind is the biggest service to satisfy God, the only one God of all mankind . The God of humanity and love.

  

In every Dharma more or less there are some 'Adhrma' (antonym of Dharma).The Adhrma is just like Virus. We should not keep faith in those harmful virus- the virus of faith. We have much more responsibility to be united to iradicate terrorism from any sect of Faiths , to iradicate poverty, to iradicate illiteracy , to educate our women on science,  to feed our malnutrition- suffering children and women. Can the Adhrma be abandoned by us and can we try to build up a new horizon of  solidarity where there will be no touch of caste discrepancy, religious fundamentalism. Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Buddhists, Sikhs all will love and respect  to each other  from the fathom of the hearts. If we are bold and strong enough in our minds to love each other  then our many problem will be solved easily.

 

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Border killings need to be talked and addressed at political level
 

THE rationale put forth by the directorate general of the Indian Border Security Force on Tuesday for the unabated killings of Bangladeshis in BSF shooting – i.e. they often take place at the dead of night and in self-defence – is preposterous, to say the least. The people of Bangladesh have thus far heard the Rapid Action Battalion and other law enforcement agencies come up with such pretexts for extrajudicial killings within the country.

 

It is unfortunate that now they are subjected to similar lame excuses from the BSF for the killings of so many Bangladeshis on the border. The fact of the matter is that most of the Bangladeshis killed by the Indian border guards over the years were poor and unarmed people, and not criminals as the BSF chief in particular and the Indian government in general would seemingly like to have us believe. There may have been, and may still be, trespassing by Bangladeshis into the Indian territory and vice versa; however, it is often driven by existential exigency rather than criminal intent.

 

The people on the Bangladesh-India border share a long history and have come to be inter-dependent over not days or years but centuries. Many people in the border areas, while officially Indians or Bangladeshis, share the same family roots and often cross the border just to meet their relatives on the other side. Regarding such human impulse as criminal intent is inhumane and borders on the criminal.


   Be that as it may, as the killing of Bangladeshis by the BSF continues unabated – 64 between January 1 and July 12, according to the human rights coalition Odhikar – despite repeated assurance for an end to such killings by the BSF top brass, at flag meetings and biannual conferences, it is now evident that the problem is beyond the BDR-BSF leaderships to resolve and requires political intervention by the governments of the two countries. Regrettably, New Delhi has traditionally appeared more non-responsive than not to Dhaka's request for amicable resolution of bilateral disputes, be they related to trade and commerce or border and security.

 

Almost always, the Indian government has sought to bring its weight as a bigger country to bear on the bilateral talks with its smaller neighbours. New Delhi, it seems, is in the habit of viewing everything in terms of power relations. For example, while it shares a border with China, there has hardly been any killing of unarmed civilians on the Sino-Indian border; the deterrence, in this case, is evidently the balance of power between the two countries. However, when it comes to the smaller neighbours, India seems to feel no restraint to bring highhandedness into play.


   Ultimately, therefore, the problem boils down to the mindset of the Indian establishment in its dealings with Bangladesh. Hence, Dhaka needs to seek political resolution of the border problems at the summit-level talks with New Delhi. If and when, the Indian government at the centre undergoes a positive attitudinal change vis-à-vis its relations with Bangladesh, it will automatically improve the border situation. Dhaka needs to make New Delhi understand that unabated killings of Bangladeshis in BSF shooting only deepens resentment against India among the people of Bangladesh and that such resentment is detrimental not only to the relations between the two next-door neighbours but also to the greater peace and harmony of the region.

 

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[mukto-mona] 74-yr-old Faizuddin beaten to death in his home by raiding police



74-yr-old Faizuddin beaten to death in his home by raiding police

Submitted by mumtaz on 13 July 2009 - 10:32pm.

http://www.twocircles.net/2009jul13/74_yr_old_faizuddin_beaten_death_his_home_raiding_police.html

By Waliullah Ahmed Laskar
Guwahati: In a brutal show of police power, the Assam Police mercilessly beat up Faizuddin Ahmed, an elderly respectable person of village Latakhat under Dhula police station in Darrang district of Assam, during a raid at his home on 11 July 2009. Ahmed succumbed to the assault and died on the spot.
As done by other co-accused, the 74-year-old man did not go into hiding when a police team barged into his house at about 10 pm on purportedly in search of three persons including him accused in a case. The family members of the deceased state that when they insisted that he should avoid the police and answer the charge against him in the court he maintained that there was no need to go into hiding as he was innocent.
The case against him and two other persons was false and filed maliciously because he tried to intervene in a dispute involving his co-villagers to settle it amicably, say some local people. One of the parties to the dispute was not happy with him and they filed a false case against him. It is this case in connection with which the police raided his house.
According to the sources, the raiding police team demanded ten thousand rupees from him because he made them to visit his house in the night as there is a case against him. If there was no case they would not have to toil so much. It is he who is responsible for accusations against him and he had to pay for it, the policemen allegedly said. The elderly person pleaded his innocence repeatedly and told them that if they insist he could only pay them rupees two thousand. At this offer the men in uniform got infuriated and started to beat him, sources claim. The aged fragile body could not withstand the brutal assaults and succumbed at the spot.
According to the reports, the local people assembled at Faizuddin's house and gheraoed the police team, immediately after the incident. They demanded exemplary punishment against the guilty police officers.
A case has been registered against the raiding police personnel in Dhula police station bearing No. 157/2009 and the Superintendent of Police for Darrang district Imdadul Hussain ordered to arrest the Sub-Inspector who led the erring team.
The people are shocked at the incident and demanding prompt trial and exemplary punishment for the 'killer officers.'

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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Moslims renouncing Islam



Modesty makes Akbar Bhai superior to me.  I have shunned it long ago, though sometimes use it as a cloak.  The Pope wanted Luther's head indeed.  Luther was protected by the German princes.  Religious wars followed.  Catholics were defeated and their church properties were confiscated by the princes without any compensation.
"Sangha manei sanghatic" wrote Sib Ram Chakravorty.  Religion glues people having faith in it's dictum, but Dharma does not.  All religions are based on the Geocentric concept of the Universe, and the world of blind faith should have collapsed like a house of cards after the telescope was invented.  However, blind faith has survived for a craze in heaven and the associated economics.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Akbar Hussain <akbar_50@hotmail.com> wrote:


Thanks for asking these questions but I am not a pundit on any subject. I profess what I personally believe. Many among us really do not understand what really Dharma is. For the sake of generalization we randomly use the word Dharma as religion. There is no doubt that the literal meaning of Dharma is religion but not in the way we stamp religion as Hinduism, Christianity or Islam etc. In the real Sanskrit terminology dharma means nature and in this discussion we are taking it as spiritual nature. So the basic meaning of Dharma here is ones commitment to virtues. The crude way of believing in a certain faith creates a vicious barrier between faith and freedom of thinking. The problem with Islamic faith starts with its very rigid conditions. If I don't surrender my freedom to certain blind conditions I am not a Muslim. This question of renouncing Islam by a Muslim is a glaring example of Islam's aims to regiment a follower's life. Martin Luther revolted against the Roman church and for that disobedience he was excommunicated but the Pope did not ask for his head.

 

Thousands Hindus were converted to Islam and Christianity any Hindu gave a fatwa for their beheading? No. As a matter of fact the original Islam of 7th century had a clear agenda for the pagan Arabs of Mecca. But some overzealous mullahs starting from the Middle Ages have taken over this faith and made it a draconian cult. The aim of a faith is to discipline not to dictate its followers. It's wrong to think that if a person renounces Islam he is renouncing his commitment to virtues. This commitment is a purely personal domain which is not dependent on any specific faith.

 

In the philosophical sense the synthesis of all traditional religions comes to rest in secularism. Islam does not recognize secular views. A Muslim must follow the strict edicts of Islam; therefore secular views are not entertained by Islam. The idea of peace is a great but peace must be based on freedom and forbearance. The predominant notion of an 'infidel" is a repulsive state of the mind which creates hatred.

 

Akbar Hussain




To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: avijit_dev@yahoo.co.in
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:57:26 +0000
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Moslims renouncing Islam



Can you explain what is faith and the meaning the faith and what is being renounced here?

What is Islamic faith? is there any difference between Islam and non-Islamic faith? By the way what is a secular faith if any?

I have asked these questions just to see what exactly are being said by using the word "faith" and the meaning of the word "faith" that are being renounce. How the two states mind be realized?<brg



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Thanks for asking these questions but I am not a pundit on any subject. I profess what I personally believe. Many among us really do not understand what really Dharma is. For the sake of generalization we randomly use the word Dharma as religion. There is no doubt that the literal meaning of Dharma is religion but not in the way we stamp religion as Hinduism, Christianity or Islam etc. In the real Sanskrit terminology dharma means nature and in this discussion we are taking it as spiritual nature. So the basic meaning of Dharma here is ones commitment to virtues. The crude way of believing in a certain faith creates a vicious barrier between faith and freedom of thinking. The problem with Islamic faith starts with its very rigid conditions. If I don't surrender my freedom to certain blind conditions I am not a Muslim. This question of renouncing Islam by a Muslim is a glaring example of Islam's aims to regiment a follower's life. Martin Luther revolted against the Roman church and for that disobedience he was excommunicated but the Pope did not ask for his head.

 

Thousands Hindus were converted to Islam and Christianity any Hindu gave a fatwa for their beheading? No. As a matter of fact the original Islam of 7th century had a clear agenda for the pagan Arabs of Mecca. But some overzealous mullahs starting from the Middle Ages have taken over this faith and made it a draconian cult. The aim of a faith is to discipline not to dictate its followers. It's wrong to think that if a person renounces Islam he is renouncing his commitment to virtues. This commitment is a purely personal domain which is not dependent on any specific faith.

 

In the philosophical sense the synthesis of all traditional religions comes to rest in secularism. Islam does not recognize secular views. A Muslim must follow the strict edicts of Islam; therefore secular views are not entertained by Islam. The idea of peace is a great but peace must be based on freedom and forbearance. The predominant notion of an 'infidel" is a repulsive state of the mind which creates hatred.

 Akbar Hussain

 

 

You have told that you are not a Pundit (Pondit). But after reading your write- up it seems that you are no less than a Pondit. You explained things in a very simple understandable way to the common people . Your humbleness is appreciated very much. Your viewpoint regarding Dharma (Dharmo) is the view point of hundreds of thousands people. Dharma means what we 'Hold' to lead our lives in a good way . The quality, the virtue, the good principles are Dharma .

 

 When some person cheats some other person, then the cheated one tells in a sad mood or in a aggressive mood " Tor ei dharmo ?"-means Do you possess this quality with you? So by this simple line we can understand Dharma does not basically means a particular Religion. But actually now-a-days it means religion because each religion tells some ethics and good principles to lead our lives in a better way. The term 'better' way is very relative word. A thief's better way of life is to steal. A pickpocket's better way of life is to pickpocket. A real sage's better way of life is to teach the morality of lives.

 

Hindu Religion or Sanatan Dharma is very difficult to understand. Only the learned people can made us understand. Zend-Avesta ,Tripitak, Bible,Koran is read by at least 60 % people from each of those holders but Vedas, Gita, etc. as such is being read by how much percentage of the holders of these? I can tell Vedas are not gone through by one person in 1000 persons in Hindus. It is very difficult to understand. Gita's inherent meaning is very tough to understand too.

 

It is believed that Vedas came from the mouth of Brahma, the Creator.Some one told he intercoursed Saraswati. A person who is the creator of the universe as per Hindu faith  can be consider a father. In this sense Brahma might be the father of Saraswati. Bal Gangadhar Tilak (one of freedom fighter of the trio Lal-Bal-Pal) had written Sita was Ram's sister. It was his opinion. So in this way Brahma may be the father of Saraswati.

The Hindu religion is basically  based on democracy. Freedom is so much there that I read many poem regarding the relationship of Sita and Laxmana in pornographic books. Even some one drew the naked picture of Saraswati in a democratic country.

 

Indra, the king of the Heaven (I do not consider there is any heaven in the sky or some where. I possess the same notion regarding heaven and hell like M.M. Dutta of Sagardari of Jessor) was like Bill Clinton. He was so 'sensual'  that he approached to the wife of a hermit in disguise as the hermit and had intercoursed with her. I do not know it is mythology or what.

 

The Vedas were only in the possession of the Brahmins (the learned elite of Veidic age). The four classes of castes were based on professions but later it had become the status of the society. The lowest class, the farmer or  laborer  class was become the untouchable class in our ancient subcontinent. They were not able to enter the temples even being Hindu. They were being prevented to enter the temple premises by the Brahmins. They were not allowed to learn Sanskrit because they were untouchable or impure. The road they used to walk had become impure. Not much long time ago, even the composer and chief editor of Indian Constitution Bhim Rao Ambedkar was not allowed to mingle with upper strata students in his pathsala (elementary school).The school teacher was very kind to him because of his intelligence and Ambedkar was allowed to sit far away from other students at the rear side in the school.

 

Hundreds of the untouchables in south India embraced by Christian Missionaries.

If the Elite class in ancient time would not hate them and would allow them to be educated then perhaps the untouchables would not accept Christianity.

The caste system ruined Hindu society immensely.

 

The ancient Brahmins did as much good as to the ancient society and simultaneously did as much as bad to the society.They made many rules and regulations to satisfy their needs and requirements.

If an untouchable would enter the kitchen, the kitchen would become impure but the same untouchable when would collect and bring the fire woods to be used for cooking in a Brahmin family, the cooked food would not become impure.

 

There were no mention of burning the widows in the funeral fire alongwith the husbands in Vedas or in any scriptures. Raja Ram Mohan Ray proved it and abolished the burning of widows with the support of the English. Brahmins introduced the social system that widows could not be able to marry as per scriptures. It was no where mentioned in any scriptures that widow could not be re-married again proved by Iswar Chnadra Vidyasagar . He had arranged getting married his son with a widow of Khantura (Khatura) village in north 24 Parganas of West Bengal.

 

In the Mughal period the much conversion of Hindus to Muslim took place. Specially it was at threshold in the period of Aurangjeb.

The reasons of the conversion were many. Equality in Muslim-ism might  be one of the solid reasons to accept Islam in a caste based Hindu society.

 

The rigidity of Muslim-ism was a requirement in 7th. century. The founder well understood it and also he understood impregnation of secular view might not help his newly funded Path to civilize the unruly and undisciplined Beduin and thus his new religion might not go further. He was absolutely right. Now there is no 7th. century.     

 

Do we need religion now? I do not know. But we know these religions have divided us. The hard line doctrines of several religions are lethal.

 

But I think we need 'Dharma'. The Dharma  for the service of mankind. The service of the needy mankind is the biggest service to satisfy God, the only one God of all mankind . The God of humanity and love.

  

In every Dharma more or less there are some 'Adhrma' (antonym of Dharma).The Adhrma is just like Virus. We should not keep faith in those harmful virus- the virus of faith. We have much more responsibility to be united to iradicate terrorism from any sect of Faiths , to iradicate poverty, to iradicate illiteracy , to educate our women on science,  to feed our malnutrition- suffering children and women. Can the Adhrma be abandoned by us and can we try to build up a new horizon of  solidarity where there will be no touch of caste discrepancy, religious fundamentalism. Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Buddhists, Sikhs all will love and respect  to each other  from the fathom of the hearts. If we are bold and strong enough in our minds to love each other  then our many problem will be solved easily.

 

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