WRT: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/48903 Dr. Hoque Please read the article below in this connection, SA The Blacks of Bengaladesh: An Adibashi Perspective By Horen Tudu* [*Horen Tudu is a Bangladeshi- Santhal born and raised in the United States. He recently completed his PhD in Theoretical Condensed Matter Physics from UCLA]
One of the most daunting tasks for a truth finder is to form an unbiased perspective in an era where most historical documents are corrupted by Euro-centric bigotry and Indo-Aryan white supremacy. There are few if any documents written truly from a native's perspective. I will attempt to provide an account that exposes a truth, of which many in the world are simply not ready to bring to light and internalize. Moreover, it forces us as human beings to genuinely view the world for what it is. The truth hurts far more than the facade that allows so many in the world to live comfortable lives.  Saotals women expressing their lives
By HOREN TUDU A Native's Perspective: An Introduction The Black race in its entirety has been the victim of subjugation and extermination by the Caucasoid race from the dawning of modern humanity. However, it is truly remarkable that this unique community has survived and accomplished remarkable feats that have redefined the world in every possible way. As the groundbreaking historian Runoko Rashidi has often used the words "Black" and "African" interchangeably, I will remain loyal to his terminology and define all members of the Black race to be of Austroloid and Negroid descent. This merger of noble humanity is to include all the Aborigines of Australia, New Guinea, The Philippines, and Indonesia. It embraces the proto-Austroloids of Bangladesh and eastern India, the lower castes and tribal Dravidians of India, Sri-Lanka, the Andaman/Nicobar Islands, and ultimately all members of the African continent and its far-reaching diasporas on the western hemisphere of the Earth. One of the most daunting tasks for a truth finder is to form an unbiased perspective in an era where most historical documents are corrupted by Euro-centric bigotry and Indo-Aryan white supremacy. There are few if any documents written truly from a native's perspective. I will attempt to provide an account that exposes a truth, of which many in the world are simply not ready to bring to light and internalize. Moreover, it forces us as human beings to genuinely view the world for what it is. The truth hurts far more than the facade that allows so many in the world to live comfortable lives. It is the primary focus of this document to answer many serious questions: Who were the inhabitants of East-Bengal before the arrival of the Muslims? Where are those people now? How have the Arabs and the Hindus destroyed Bangladesh? Most importantly, how can Pan-African politics help unite and possibly save the country? The Original Inhabitants of Bengal The word Bangladesh is derived from the term "Vangla", a word given by the Bodo Aborigines of Assam to connote "wide plains." The original inhabitants of modern day Bangladesh were the Proto-Austroloid Kols, otherwise known as Kolarians. The term Kol has ubiquitously been corrupted by the Aryan-Sanskritic speakers to the word "kalu", meaning both "black" and "ugly" in almost all of the 16 languages of the Indian Sub-Continent. The Kolarians are a Dravidian sect, whose descendant communities can be found also in West Bengal and elsewhere in the eastern belt of the Indian-Subcontinent . Most geological scholars will contend that most of Bangladesh was fashioned 1 to 6.5 million years ago during the tertiary era. Semi-recent excavations in the Deolpota village of western Bengal seem to suggest that a Paleolithic civilization in the region existed about one hundred thousand years ago. A 10,000 to 15,000 year old stone structure in Rangamati is the primary evidence of Paleolithic civilization along with a hand axe found in the mountainous inclines of the Feni district. This Neo-stone age began 3,000 B.C. lasting almost 1500 years. Similar tools were found in Sitakunda of the eastern region Chittagong, and near Comilla district. The sparsely forested hills in eastern Bengal strewn with fertile valleys imparted a hospitable location for Neolithic settlements. 1 Physically, the indigenous people were longheaded, dark skinned, broad-nosed, and short in stature. Sometimes labeled as "Negritos" and "Negroids", their physical features are unchanged today among the lowest castes of Bengal, mainly the peasants, as well as 95% of population of Bangladesh today who derive from these lower castes and tribes. The Aryan Invasion and Destruction of Ancient Bangladeshi Civilization Most present day anthropologists and scholars will confirm that the people of the ancient Indus Valley Civilization were of the same racial stock as the present day Bangladeshis and lower castes of India. The Indus Valley Civilization marked a period of wealth and prosperity in Indian history. Noted developments include the development of yoga, the erection of ziggurats and the discovery of zero. All these inventions were later appropriated by the Aryan priests in what must have been the greatest case of scientific theft on record. The golden Harappan age came to an abrupt and brutal end when hordes of barbaric Aryans swept into India in 1500 BC through the Khyber Pass. Most of these Caucasians were under the flexible leadership of the moon worshipping Aryan named Indra. The 1000 years that followed imparted irreversible destruction and darkness. During this Vedic Dark Age (1500 BC - 500 BC) no civilization survives, no writing, nor any trace of the existence of even a semi-civilization. There is, even now in the late 21st century, complete ignorance concerning this era of Indian history. It was a seemingly endless orgy of slaughters and massacres of native Bangladeshis by the Caucasoid, barbaric invaders who considered it meritorious to butcher those of a different race, a Black race.2 Bharata launched the second Aryan invasion from Afghanistan, and conquered much of the upper Ganges valley. The mayhem and murder continued throughout this period, by the end of which no trace of the Indus Valley civilization was left and the Aborigines had been displaced from all of Northwest India. The massacres perpetuated by the Aryans in India during the 1000 years of the Vedic Dark Ages are unparalleled in history, exceeding the Holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis (which was inspired by the Vedic Aryans), and the slaughter of the South American native populations by the invading Spaniards and Portuguese. Almost all of the 5 million inhabitants of the Indus Valley civilization perished, the rest being displaced east into Bangladesh and south into present day Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka. Thus, Bangladesh is a melting pot of various Black tribes with a separate Mongoloid presence to the east in modern day Myanmar.3 The armies of `Lord' Ram initiated the Aryan invasion into Bengal during 600 BC. Subsequently, the apartheid varna system was strictly imposed. Those Black Aborigines who accepted Aryan enslavement were relegated to the `Clean Sudra' caste, and those who fought the Aryans were relegated to the "Untouchable" outcastes of Dalits and Adivasis. The worship of the Aryan religion of Vaishnavism was introduced and the aboriginal king of Kol was promptly murdered. In contrast to north India, the number of Dravidian Blacks was much higher and the number of Aryans low. Hence, extermination of the non-Aryan native population was not possible here in Bengal, as it had been done in north India, but a progressive agenda of Aryanization of the Kolerians and their assimilation into the varna system of racial apartheid was undertaken by the Aryans. Today the natives of East-Bengal speak Bengali or Bangla, a Sanskrit based Indo-European tongue hybridized with various indigenous Dravidian elements.4  The Arabs Come to Bengal The conversion of the native Bengalis to Islam began in the 8th century, when the Arabs began invading north India and present day Pakistan. Additionally, other East African Muslims were transplanted into India; most historians agree that 5-12% of the Muslims that entered India were Ethiopian mercenaries. Because Brahmanical tyranny and oppression of native Bengalis had reached a climax, the Muslims were hailed as liberators and saviors. Islam gained much support by the lower caste and "untouchable" Bengalis because it allowed them for the first time in their lives to reach upward mobility in society. Many indigenous and Hindu worshipping sites were destroyed and transformed into mosques. Although many Arabs freely mixed with the native Black population, the majority kept themselves racially distinct, keeping various titles such as ADM (Abu D. Muhammed), Sheikh and Sayed. Many Brahmans remained Hindu as well as a large number of low castes and "untouchables" masquerading under the false identity of Brahmanism. The others that were forcibly converted retained their caste names such as "Chowdhury", "Biswas", and "Das"5. 
(photo credit: K.L.Kamat - Copyright © 1996-2002, Kamat's Potpourri) The Legacy of the Arabs and the Hindus Hitherto, most Sheikhs and Sayeds boast of their light skin complexions and will not marry into a Black Aboriginal family. Even though these descendants of Arabs and Caste Hindus identify themselves as ethnic Bengalis, they have always looked down upon native Bengalis as "Village Kalus"(another term for "nigger") and remain highly bigoted with regard to skin color. In modern times, Arab Sayed landowners have collaborated with the Brahman landowners to slaughter the tribal Santhals and Kols for financial gain via acquisition of tribal land. Most Muslim Aborigines from the village are in destitute poverty and remain illiterate; they typically work as housemaids and servants of the Arab Bangladeshis especially in places like the Chittigong district. They have no concept of their Aboriginal/tribal ancestry and have made no attempt to join hands with their tribal brothers that are raped and tortured every year by Hindu landowners all throughout Bengal, east and west. Most Islamic scholars in Bangladesh have written out the pre-Islamic past brainwashing the Black Bengalis into believing that they are dark skinned Arabs and are racially distinct from the Austroloid tribals. Today, the residual "untouchables" that did not convert to Islam perform the most inhuman and menial forms of labor as sanctioned by the Bangladeshi government. They are forced to work with human carcasses and clean human feces from the street gutters as their ancestors have done for centuries under Hindu oppression. The introduction of a Caucasoid racial element into Bangladeshi society has had one of the most devastating effects on the development of the country. Most upwardly mobile and successful men tend to marry tall, and lighter skin women with long noses. The influx of India's openly racist film industry has done more to shatter whatever moral ethos the Black Bengali women carried before the Aryans and Arabs came to Bengal, Black is not beautiful in Bangladesh although 90-95% of the population is black Austroloid. Following Bangladesh's independence in 1971, there has been a strong lack of political unity within Bangladesh because most politicians and government leaders are bigoted Caucasoids that only seek to better the financial standing of the Sayed and Sheikh elite rather than work for the better welfare of the people. Persons such as Khaleda Zia and Sheikh Hasina are extremely corrupt and have done absolutely nothing in terms of social programs for the poor and illiterate Black majority.  Baby Naznin, "The Black Diamond," a famous singer of Bangladesh. She is one of the few modern Bangladeshi women to embrace Pan-Africanism in South Asia The Need of The Hour: Pan-Africanism in Bangladesh and All of the Black World During the African-American Holocaust of North-America, the Black descendants of slaves were forced to engage the cruel Anglo-Caucasian oppressor without any assistance whatsoever from the world at large, it was largely a local effort and a astonishing one indeed for many victories were won and many intellectuals were produced to assist fellow Blacks worldwide. In the coming decade the Black race as whole faces new and precarious predicaments such as HIV, crime, illiteracy, and infant mortality. These are only but a few to name, but the local populations on average cannot possibly solve them without help from their blood brothers and sisters from across the globe. With the Aborigines of Australia, The Philippines, and Andaman Islands nearing extinction along with massive proliferation of AIDS in Africa, Pan-Africanism is the need of the hour! According to the article "Pan-Negroism and the Tamil-Sinhala Conflict in Sri Lanka" written by Hadwa Dom of the Dalitstan Journal, the collaboration between Blacks has been proven effective in the struggle for humanity and the right to exist. In this effort, Nelson Mandela has provided military manpower in aid of the indigenous Black LTTE rebels in Sri Lanka leading to several important military successes. Only time can tell whether globally, the Black race will survive into the next millennium.6 I am confident that it will.
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*Horen Tudu is a Bangladeshi- Santhal born and raised in the United States. He is a staunch Pan-Africanist and research specialist. His work emphasizes on the Dalit and tribal historical/politica l situation of Bangladesh and India. He may be contacted at References 1) "BANGLADESH TOWARDS 21ST CENTURY", published by the Ministry of Information, Government of the People's Republic of Bangladesh. ASNIC
2) "The Bible of Aryan Invasions 1500 BC - 1000 AD Vol. 2" by Prof. Uthaya Naidu
3) "The Bible of Aryan Invasions 1500 BC - 1000 AD Vol. 3" by Prof. Uthaya Naidu
4) Ibid.
5) "BRAHMIN GOLD The Plunder of Paradise Vol.III Exploitation of Individual Nations" by Shankar Nadar
6) "Pan-Negroism and the Tamil-Sinhala Conflict in Sri Lanka" Dalitstan Journal Volume 1, Issue 3, December 1999 written by Hadwa Dom
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One may differ with Mahasweta Devi's comparison between the West Bengal chief minister and CPI(M) polit bureau member Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee and Gujarat CM Narendra Modi, a saffronazi, but performancewise, her observation is factual
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'Buddhadeb is worse than Modi' by Carol Andrade 29 Jun 08
When the CPM got its ballot battering in trouble-torn Nandigram and much of rural West Bengal last month, Mahasweta Devi was in Kerala. Doing what comes most naturally to her: aiding the distressed.
The 83-year-old writer took a tortuous route—a flight to Chennai, then Kozhikode, followed by a bumpy jeep ride to the site of the controversial Athirapilli hydroelectric project on the Chalakudy River, from where members of the Chalakudy River Protection Forum had sent her a desperate letter, asking for "moral support and intervention".
Mahasweta Devi travels wherever she is called to help, intervene, record and write. Back home, Nandigram and Singur are on her everyday radar, as she protests against what she sees as the communist government's steamroller tactics, its deliberate flouting of the wishes of the people and the brutal methods, including rape and violence, to silence movements against the takeover of land for industrialisation. Her way is to speak up, console, heal wounds, provide moral support and harangue the powers that be both in speech and in writing.
At her modest rented flat in Kolkata's Golf Green, writing at a table pushed against a window looking out on to a small, wild patch of luscious greenery, the litterateur still has the ability to make powerful people uncomfortable. This is the woman who, following the violence of Nandigram, declared in an interview, "Independence has failed". Her take on chief minister Buddhadeb Bhattacharya: he was worse than Narendra Modi in his repressive tactics. When writer Taslima Nasreen was made to leave Kolkata under threat from fundamentalist groups, she publicly demanded that Bhattacharya resign.
This story is apocryphal, but probably true because it is so like her. Years ago, sharing a platform on some occasion with the redoubtable former chief minister Jyoti Basu, she was asked, "What are you writing now?" Which was a bit of a mistake, because she is reported to have retorted, "What difference does it make to you? You don't read!"
Whether she said it or not, people believe that she did. The way the tribals, and all those she has worked for over the years, believe that 'Didi' will do anything for them. They have but to ask.
She will deny fiercely that she feels a sense of triumph over Nandigram. But she feels vindicated and content for two reasons. One that people woke up to fight back at injustice. Two, they were supported by the entire community of writers, poets, artists and intellectuals. "Her" West Bengal had stood up to be counted when it mattered. "In contrast, in Kerala, the writers are silent, yet both states are communist", she says reflectively.
She takes sides unequivocally and she switches around too. "The West Bengal government has no moral right to continue now, having lost the gram panchayat elections," she says. But when it is pointed out that this was only in Nandigram and Singur and parts of rural Bengal, she's flashing and feisty. The gram panchayat, she says, is the heart of governance. "And for 24 of the 30 years that the CPM has been in power, there has been no hisaab of accounts. Based on false numbers given by village bodies, oceans of rice and wheat are sent by the Centre to the state for the tribals, and handed over to the gram panchayats for distribution. This is then given to ration dealers." She spits the words out like an imprecation, no need to explain why this is such a disaster.
She is critical of Narendra Modi but full of praise for the Gujarat he has created. "It's very bad what he did. But when I went there after the riots, I saw that from Ahmedabad to Baroda and Surat, there were good motorable roads to the villages. And even the humblest mud hut had electricity. In contrast, look at our state. No roads, no health centres, nothing." And then, effortlessly, she offers you the impact of years of neglect. "If there had been electricity when Tapasi Malik went to the toilet, she might not have been abducted by CPM goons, raped and burnt alive." This happened in Singur in December 2006, and a CPM zonal leader was picked up in the case that the government said was suicide. Tapasi was 18.
Life for Mahasweta Devi is a social conscience that inspires her writing that has made her body of work into an organic whole, so that she is irritable and uppish when you call her an activist writer or ask her whether she's going to write another novel like the path-blazing, heart-breaking Hajaar Chaurasir Maa.
"No, no, no. Forget all that. I will write a different reality. Creative writing for me was also activism, but now I think of the best stories, like the classics." Then, changing tack, "Anyway, how much creative writing can you do with one landline to keep up connections with all the people who need help?"
And what sort of message does she have for writers? "None," she shrugs, then changes her mind. "Go to the villages," she says, "find out for yourself what is happening. Then write."
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The Theory of Democracy was based on Conscious of Humans, not what Politics has made it become in corrupt Police State poor countries of the world. If spirit of a nation is dead, the masses can not find a solution themselves then, such nations had never deserved Independence from European Super Powers until their populace had intellectually grown-up enough to manage and understand Democracy.
Ezajur Rahman <ezajur.rahman@q8.com> wrote: Courtesy New Age 29/6/08
BNP and AL are bent upon having early election, obviously to return to power and wipe out their past sins. If they cannot come to power they will even lose all the money they looted. All the talks of caretaker government are drowned by the parties' demand for election. Why should the party bosses sign their death warrant!
But why should the smaller leaders and well-wishers of democracy in the parties object to reform? Because they lack courage and like sheep are too afraid to challenge the wolves in the parties. This is the quality of people who ruled us for 15 years. These sheep will jump out of the fence to the winning side finally. The wolves in the parties are waiting in shades of foreign land or in local jail houses for a chance to impart a crushing blow to the present government or perhaps adopt softer ways of compromise, if any.
The present caretaker government seems to realise this. On the one side, there is the commitment for holding elections and on the other side, is the programme of completing the reform process which includes all major institutional changes and the preventive anti-corruption drive. If election comes first, the wolves will have an easy opportunity to prey on the rest of the good people who are the last hope of the nation. This can never be allowed to happen. Surprisingly, the armed cadres of the wolves also appear to be mostly intact.
After all, the applause for the caretakers is heard no more. Some think this is because of the sheepishness of the government. But the most damaging was the handling of Sheikh Hasina's release which sent a wrong signal to the people. Releasing one of the accused leaders is not a matter of national importance but the importance derives from the unprecedented meeting some advisers held breaking all protocol with an accused person on parole.
The caretakers must realise the vested interest had grown for 15 years and it consolidated into a very strong force during the last five years. They are up against these evil forces –– indeed, the whole nation is –– without realising the extent of the strength of these evil forces. These evil forces are everywhere and will try to turn the tide in their favour to be able to save themselves and grow, again in the very name of democracy. This is how they fooled the whole nation for years and deprived the people of progress they deserved.
The caretakers have finally crossed the Rubicon and there is no going back. By announcing the local government election they have taken the battle to the countryside. Here the grassroots workers and local leaders will decide their own fate and not the party bosses from the capital.
Against all odds this government is fighting to establish rule of the people. This opportunity comes once in a lifetime and destiny has thrust this sacred errand upon the caretakers and their supporters. We all will be part of this history written in golden letters and the fallen culprits should be thrown into the dustbin of history as has been done for centuries.
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This is the time to move forward.
People of Bangladesh knows very well that to succeed in life in Bangladesh merit matters but if you have political connection you don't have to be smart. All you have to do is to play the the game of corruption. Most of the leaders in bangladesh didn't do well in school, other wise would be working like other people and hold a real job. It's time to elect honest leaders.
--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Israt Haque <israthaque@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Israt Haque <israthaque@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Gen. Moeen in Kuwait and Mr Raheem
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com, khabor@yahoogroups.com, dahuk@yahoogroups.com, diagnose@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 11:51 PM
| Khaleda, Hasina, Tareq, and Joy will never quit politics unless the toe suckers stop... Unless they quit politics, Bangladesh has no future! During AL rule BD paid the highest price for rice in 74, now Hasina brags about the high cost of rice. What a hypocrite. Even the upper middle class people couldn't effort to buy rice except some of the AL thugs. The government should prosecute everyone from Sheikh and Zia families including their associates, put them in prison for 20+ years, only then Bangladesh will prosper easily. They shouldn't show any mercy to them and put all the supporters in prison if they try to create any mischief. We need more prisons, and that should be number one priority - making more prisons. Manpower for the prison systems need to be quadrupled. As far as honesty of Moeen, I heard from the people who served with him in the Military; now live here in USA, that he is a clean man. Some of them went to Cadet College with him. Good thing is that they wouldn't gain any advantage by certifying him because they are retired, live in USA, work hard like everyone else, and don't hold any position in the government. But the supporters will always spread lies against any honest person if they don't belong to their parties. They will make stories, spread lies and rumors. Beware of them because they are more desperate then a mad dog.
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From: ezajur <ezajur.rahman@q8.com>
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Gen. Moeen in Kuwait and Mr Raheem
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Dear Alochoks
These are crocodile tears for the rule of law and for Tareq Zia. The
rule of law has failed millions and for decades - and still some are
very concerned about this politcian or that politician. Life is very
cheap in Bangladesh - always was. And what goes around comes around.
The only people concerned for Tareq are those who can't imagine BNP
without Khaleda and Chatra Dal, which he controls. Then there are all
those people who fought for the rule of law under the nethri system
but who suddenly seemed to become LLM paaash and barishtar paash on
12/1/07.
They say Fakhruddin is not dhoa tulshi patha - but they will never
say the same thing about Khaleda or Hasina. They question the values
some Alochoks teach their sons but they will never question what
values Mujib and Zia taught their sons. They dare to say that elected
officials are financially corrupt, but unelected officials are
morally corrupt! As if morality has nothing to do with taking a
politcian taking a multi lakh taka bribe!
The sooner Khaleda and Tareq agree to quit the better for BNP, the
better for Bangladesh and the better for the rule of law after the
general election.
Is this true or not? And if it is true what will it take to make them
quit?
Regards
Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait
--- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, Sajjad Hossain <shossain456@ ...>
wrote:
>
> I don't expect any sympathy from a blind person. Either you have
not understood the messgae of my posting or you are pretending. The
issue here is rule of law. You cannot torture somebody when
persons 'X, Y, Z" are in custody. However, everyday is not same.
Unless you stand up to establish rule of law, those days are not far
away when you will find broken spines of many backers of the cruel
CTG. Then probably you will have sympathy for them. I wonder what
kind of values you are teaching your children.
>
> SH
> Toronto
>
> "Raheem M." <raheemm1@.. .> wrote:
> Dear Mr. Hossain,
>
> I am unable to share in your sympathies for the two sons of Khaleda
or for the corrupt politicians and gundaas who were put behind bars.
>
> What is important is that BNP and AL are energized by new
leadership, by implementing accountability, meritocracy and internal
democracy. I assume you are a member of one of these parties - and
request that you urge them to begin this process. Ultimately these
reforms will benefit themselves, the country and would cure my
own "blindness".
>
> - Raheem
>
> --- On Thu, 6/19/08, Sajjad Hossain <shossain456@ ...> wrote:
> From: Sajjad Hossain <shossain456@ ...>
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Gen. Moeen in Kuwait and Mr Raheem
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 11:25 AM
>
> Dear Mr Raheem,
>
> Regarding the Dr Fakruddin and the CTG; you don't need to only
steal money to be a corrupt. Loss of morality is the worst corruption
which Mr Fakruddin and his government lost. If you allow few selected
corrupt people (Sadek Hossain Khoka, Tofael Ahmed and many other so-
called reformists) roam around for your political gain, then you
really cannot claim you are honest or "Dhoa Tulsi Pata". There are
strong cases against these people but they have are freely moving.
Begum Zia and Sheikh Hasina were arrested before lodging any cases
without any waarant. What kind morality is this? The CTG has
destroyed economy and the institutions. Judges are working under
coercion. Yesterday the Transparency International said that
curruption was up compered to the previous political government. The
Fakrudding Government tortured two children of Begum Zia in such a
way that rest of their lives they would be bed-ridden or in the Wheel
Chair. Now Dr Fakruddin is using them as "Turuper Tas"
> to create pressure on Begum Zia to bow out. Sorry, I cannot accept
it as morality but you may because you are blind. A blind cannot
differentiate between an Elephant and a Bird without touching them. I
hope people like you would come to their consciusness before it is
too late. You cannot undo a wrong thing by doing few more wrongs.
Your support to this brutal CTG would only encourage to commit more
crimes. Mr Fakruddin, Desher Daroan Gen. Moeen Uddin Ahmed have
already turned the entire country into a GULAG.
>
> SH
> Toronto
>
>
>
>
>
> "Raheem M." <raheemm1@.. .> wrote:
> Mr. Khundkar,
>
> You cite interesting psychology - I'll have to read up on it. I
hope you will share your thoughts on the psyche and psychology of the
Bangladeshi - its interesting and certainly worth discussing.
>
> Regarding your major point about failing to criticize emperors
without clothes - I would gladly criticize such emperors. But we live
in a universe where emperors of past were the only ones wearing
clothes while the citizens were paraded in hunger and destitution.
>
> The bar in our politics is so low that the mere thought of someone
coming in and attempting to clean up the system is audacity beyond
imagination. That is what I admire and my true feeling is that this
work must come to its completion, which I estimate should take at
least another 5 years and a certain level of brutal discourse.
>
> - Raheem
> New York
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 6/15/08, Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlin k .net>
wrote:
> From: Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlin k .net>
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Moeen U Ahmed in Kuwait
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 12:36 PM
>
>
> Dear Mr. Saeed Rehman:
> I think you have articulated very well for all of us who are
becoming
> increasingly dismayed at the level of discourse among Bengalis of
our class,
> the so-called educated, most successful etc, etc.
>
> In most respects, notwithstanding small changes in nomenclature and
names of
> principals, the discourse has
> remained wherever, it has been for the last two
> hundred years or more. Whenenever a new govt comes a section of
our
> intelligentsia rise to become courtiers to the new order. Praising
to high
> heaven, singing odes, composing poems & making a fetish of small
> differences* .
>
> Very few people have the integrity/courage to tell the Emperor that
he is not
> wearing any clothes. Perhaps I am being unfair in singling out our
fellow
> Alochoks because it really goes beyond into our psyche as a nation.
Freud would
> have had a field day analyzing all of us.
>
> Thanks again
>
> Robin Khundkar
>
> [To the last point on small differences, I recommend highly, a slim
volume by
> Sigmund Freud, "Civilization and Its Discontents" (1929-1930). Freud
> introduces a concept of what he calls "Narcissm of Small
> Differences" . It describes the manner in which our negative
feelings are
> sometimes directed at people who resemble us, while we
> take pride from the
> "small differences" that distinguish us from them] Source
Wikepedia
> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Narcissism_ of_small_ differences
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: saeedurrehman92 <saeedurrehman92@ yahoo.com>
> >Sent: Jun 13, 2008 7:42 AM
> >To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> >Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Moeen U Ahmed in Kuwait
> >
> >
> >Dear Mr. Rahim
> >
> >I will not disagree with you at all. Theoretically and ideally you
are
> >right. But see what is practically happening. Some leaders in both
the
> >major parties started talking about reforms till 2 nethris went to
jail.
> >In my opinion, and I may be wrong, it was not at all required at
that
> >time to send them to jail. Either this action should have taken
> >immediately after 1/11 or should have taken after making strong
cases.
> >What was the result of that? People even stopped talking
> about reforms.
> >All the public attention was diverted to the nethris. What
happened to
> >the reformists? The poor guys they found it difficult to save
> >their skin. All these years what AL and BNP had been doing? If
they were
> >in Power they used all their means, foul or fair, to remain in
power.
> >And if they were in opposition, they did everything possible, foul
or
> >fair, to drag down the other party out of power. But Mr. Rahim,
tell me
> >honestly, is not the present junta doing the same thing. Do you
think
> >Hasina came out of jail on public pressure? Absolutely not. There
is an
> >underhand arrangement.
> >
> >Mr. Rahim you think that the present government should remain in
power
> >till the political parties in the country start practicing real
> >democracy inside and outside etc.etc. I, also will tell you the
same
> >thing. But tell me, is there any sign of it in the last 16/17
months?
> >Not at
> all. With all due respect should I tell you that to learn
> >swimming you have to get into waters. You can not first learn
swimming
> >and then get into waters. Even if I take your words does anybody
have a
> >time frame when our political parties will learn democracy and
then we
> >will have the election? Can our nation wait that long with the
present
> >stagnant economy?
> >
> >We need not to go far past; the recent history has a very bad
record of
> >Army rule at the least in South Asia. Look at every Army ruler,
before
> >relinquishing power, either they destroyed themselves or destroyed
the
> >nation or destroyed the both. Be it be Ayub, Yayha, Zia Huq, Zia
Rahman,
> >Irshad or for that matter Mushraff. There is no exception. Look
deeply
> >how all of them had to leave power. Of course, I want one
exception. I
> >want Moeen to leave power with honor and dignity. I only fear he
will
> >not. He has also
> ambitions like others but unfortunately he does not
> >posses those talents. I will not debate that what he did at
juncture was
> >right or wrong. I will not debate that he should have taken this
step
> >earlier. I believe he rose at the right moment. I also believe that
> >enough is enough. Now is the time to say Good Bye.
> >
> >You know Army is considered the most disciplined organization in
any
> >country. We can afford the mistakes of others (specifically the
> >political parties) but you can not at all at all afford the
mistakes by
> >Army. And one thing more the Army gets corrupted if it remains in
> >civilian touch for a long time.
> >
> >With all due respect
> >
> >
> >
> >Saeed
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "Raheem M." <raheemm1@>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Mr. Saeedurrehman,
> >>
> >> You wrote: "He (Gen.
> Moeen) rose up a right moment. Now is time
> for
> >him to go back to his barracks. He had enough shake hands."
> >>
> >> I agree with you that Gen. Moeen rose up at the right moment.
However
> >I am not sure that the current government's work is finished.
> >>
> >> It is pure and simple - BNP + AL's politics have caused the
> problems
> >in the country and for themselves. No one is to blame except
themselves.
> >>
> >> When they learn to practice real democracy (inside and outside),
when
> >they learn accountability, end dynastic politics, end corrupt
practice,
> >renounce hartal and violence, when they give to the country more
than
> >they take (loot?), kick out gundaas and mastaans from the party
then it
> >will be time for them to come back.Have they done any such thing
in the
> >last 2 years?
> >>
> >> The more I see the actions of BNP and AL - be it in power or out
> of
> >power, in Bangladesh or out of Bangladesh, I am convinced that
these
> >parties are completely destroyed from top to bottom. So then why
should
> >they run our country or even in election?
> >>
> >> So the next question is - if AL and BNP cannot run the country,
then
> >who will do it? I say -lets give the new power a chance - whoever
they
> >are. Give them a full term just like we gave to BNP and AL.
> >>
> >> I think the CTG and the Army has made mistakes - This is true.
But if
> >you tell me that BNP or AL is better than our current government -
then
> >you are 100% wrong. But if they make their parties better then
they will
> >get another chance for sure - because that is democracy. Until
then,
> >forget them - it is for the good of the country.
> >>
> >> - Raheem
> >> New York
> >>
> >>
> >> saeedurrehman92 saeedurrehman92@ ... wrote: Dear Mr.
> Ejazur
> >>
> >> If is a person is sleeping you can wake him up. But you cannot
wake up
> >a person who is only pretending to be sleeping.
> >>
> >> Mr. Ejazur, it seems that you are interested to know my political
> >identity. I remember in the past you have posed the same question
to
> >many others. Let me tell you that I like many others and unlike
very
> >handful, I call spade a spade. I will appreciate a person; let it
be Tom
> >or Harry, if he or she is doing well for the country. In the same
token
> >if someone in my opinion (mind you I said in my opinion, somebody
may
> >differ with me) has been other way around, I simply can not
appreciate
> >it. For example, I can appreciate Hussain Mohammad Irshad for
improving
> >the communication system in the country but cannot appreciate
him for
> >his other deeds. This is point many of us are trying to make. We
don't
> >try to justify the wrongs of
> the politicians rather we are critical of
> >them. But for some handful of people, good or bad Gen. Moeen is the
> >best. They are trying to justify all his deeds and all his
misdeeds. I
> >again pose you the same question, nobody asked you that why the
brave
> >> Gen. choose Crowne Plaza for his meeting. (I think by this time
he
> >would have a retired Gen. had he not extended his tenure himself)
You
> >justify it by claiming that this is the cheapest 5 star hotel in
Kuwait.
> >Thanks God, hundred times that you did not claim that it was a free
> >treat from Hotel Crowne Plaza. Who could have challenged if you
had said
> >so. You are so blind with the deeds or misdeeds of the Gen. that
you
> >think 200 is the smallest gathering. Man, who paid the bills. Of
course
> >it was paid by the Embassy of Bangladesh on Government of
Bangladesh
> >account. When Hasina was in Kuwait, such expenditures were borne
by
> AL
> >affiliated businessmen. (These are your words not mine).
> >>
> >> I don't disagree that in the past hundred thousands of ordinary
> >citizens were harassed because of their political opinions, with
the
> >lame excuse that they are criminals. But what about now? How many
are
> >put behind jails in the past few days fearing there may be an
agitation
> >in favor of any political party? What is the difference between
the past
> >and the present? Why we have to harp beautiful songs for this act
of
> >bravery?
> >>
> >> I know your limitations. I know you cannot apprehend the
suffering of
> >a common man. I understand you don't know the feelings of the man
in
> the
> >street. But I believe you can still understand the present
situation in
> >the country by the electronic media which you have access to. See
and
> >read how many people have gone below the poverty level during
the past
> >15/16
> months. These are not my words neither these are the words of any
> >political party.
> >>
> >> I asked your identity because you were advising one gentleman to
> >conceal his identity. That made your own identity doubtful.
Otherwise,
> >who cares you are neutral or neutered.
> >>
> >> You said it is simply a matter of getting a pass sponsored by
either
> >the VIP party or the host party to get in the VIP lounge of Kuwait
> >Airport. You further said see how many party fruitcakes and party
dalals
> >turn up in the VIP lounge when an AL or BNP MP or Minister turns
up. I
> >pose you the same question, how many dalals of brave Gen. Moeen
turned
> >up at Kuwait Airport when he turned up.
> >>
> >> Even if I buy your words, a meal in Sheraton Kuwait will cost you
> >maximum 20 KD. Even if I buy your word, a meal in Crowne Plaza
will cost
> >you minimum 1 KD. So you are buying a ticket to
> Bangladesh with 19 KD. I
> >can only pray for you.
> >>
> >> In the end I will tell you to look around yourself. Look at
India.
> >India prospered only because there was a political government. By
the
> >way the politicians in India were also corrupt. Look at Pakistan.
> >Pakistan faltered because Pakistan was run mostly by brave
Generals. Not
> >only they were brave, their jehad was against corruption also.
> >>
> >> And remember one thing more, CIVILIZED WORLD LIKE CIVILIAN
GOVERNMENT.
> >We appreciate the bravery of Gen. Moneen. He rose up a right
moment. Now
> >is time for him to go back to his barracks. He had enough shake
hands.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Saeed
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ezajur" ezajur.rahman@
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Dear Alochok Saeed
> >> >
> >> > Our disagreement over hotels
> is not about minimum standards - it
> is
> >> > about the highest standards. I said the Sheraton was the most
> >> > prestigious hotel in Kuwait and you seek to cast doubt on me by
> >> > deeming even this harmless statement to be either an
exaggeration
> or
> >> > lie!
> >> >
> >> > The fact that nobody asked me why the Crowne Plaza was hired
does
> >not
> >> > stop me from stating why it was hired. It was hired because it
is
> >the
> >> > cheapest five star hotel in Kuwait.
> >> >
> >> > Under the nethri system lakhs of ordinary citizens are harassed
> >> > because of their political opinions. People lose land, jobs,
> legal
> >> > protection, state protection, business opportunities etc just
> >> > because they oppose the ruling party and its nethri. Be
honest
> about
> >> > the condition of the country. I was not
> writing about my own
> >> > security I was advising others to be careful. You don't need
> >to
> >> > worry about your own security I think as long as you continue
to
> >diligently avoid talking real politics.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, I am very afraid of the possibility that a nethri might
come
> to
> >> > power because I think it will be terrible for the country. You
on
> >the
> >> > other hand, well I have no idea what you think… But you are
> >probably
> >> > a Nethrist…
> >> >
> >> > Sorry, what do you mean real identity? You don't even state
> your own
> >> > political views or your own identity but you go around
> questioning
> >> > other people's views and identities. It's so typical of
> so many
> >> > people nowadays who promote their own political agenda only
by
> >> > attacking others never explaining their own
> positions and
> >> > pretending to be neutral. Neutered is a better word than
neutral.
> >> >
> >> > 200 is indeed a small gathering. God only knows what your idea
of
> a
> >> > big gathering is! Though I'm sure if a better hotel was
> chosen there
> >> > would have been more room :)
> >> >
> >> > The brave General came to Kuwait on the invitation of the
Kuwait
> >Army
> >> > to discuss issues relating to the Bangladesh Army personnel
> serving
> >> > in Kuwait. He, and the professional community here, took that
> >> > opportunity to have a dialogue. Its simple.
> >> >
> >> > Accessing the VIP lounge is not a matter of sneaking in through
> the
> >> > back door it is simply a matter of getting a pass sponsored
by
> >> > either the VIP party or the host party. I think you know how
easy
> it
> >> > is to get a pass
> if you know the right people. See how many party
> >> > fruitcakes and party dalals turn up in the VIP lounge when an
AL
> or
> >> > BNP MP or Minister turns up :)
> >> >
> >> > I think Nizami should be tried for war crimes and would
disagree
> >with
> >> > Mr Bhuiyan if he thought otherwise. I congratulate General
Moeen
> on
> >> > at least showing the way that Nizami, on whatever grounds, can
at
> >> > least be arrested. The Nethris never had the courage, or the
> >> > character, to do anything. The arrest of Nizami is not a
ploy to
> >> > divert attention. The public's demands for the trial of war
> >> > criminals, and their exclusion from elections, remains intact
> >even
> >> > reinvigorated after the arrest of Nizami.
> >> >
> >> > In the end I thank you for your interest in my money. I spend
it
> at
> >> > the
> Crowne Plaza instead of the Sheraton, because with the money
> >thus
> >> > saved I can buy another plane ticket to Bangladesh :)
> >> >
> >> > There are minimum standards and highest standards in politics
> >and
> >> > in hotels. Though I appreciate standards in hotels are easier
to
> >> > discuss than standards in your preferred political party :)
> >> >
> >> > I remain in good humour and hope you are too.
> >> >
> >> > Best Regards
> >> >
> >> > Ezajur Rahman
> >> > Kuwait
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "saeedurrehman92"
> >> > saeedurrehman92@ wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Dear Mr. Ejazur
> >> > >
> >> > > I thank you for your advisory words to Mr. Bhuiyan. I
> believe he
> >> >
> owes it
> >> > > from you because you and him are living in the same country.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mr. Ejazur should I remind you very humbly that every 5 star
> hotel
> >> > > (everywhere, and not only in Kuwait) has a minimum standard
> and
> >> > that is
> >> > > why it is categorized as a 5 star hotel. And why are so
> defensive?
> >> > > Nobody asked you why it was hired for the brave Gen.'s
> meeting. Of
> >> > > course there are many places in Kuwait which are cheaper
> than and
> >> > better
> >> > > than the 5 star hotel you mentioned.
> >> > >
> >> > > Sorry to say it Mr. Ejazur, but it is clear that you think
> >yourself
> >> > a
> >> > > celebrity. Come `n man be brave like our beloved General.
> Deep in
> >> > > your conscious or subconscious you still think one of
> the
> nethris
> >> > will
> >> > > come to power again. And if you are identified now, you will
> be
> >> > harassed
> >> > > then. Mr. Ejazur, please don't be a paranoid. Don't
> feel
> >> > > yourself that important. Believe you me nobody will bother
> to
> >> > harass men
> >> > > like you and me for their political believes. By the way
> what is
> >> > your
> >> > > real identity?
> >> > >
> >> > > Should I remind you again, Kuwait is also part of this
> world. Many
> >> > > Bangladeshis still live there. (I am not talking about our
> >unskilled
> >> > > brothers). Surely they are more than 200. Who picked those
> 200 and
> >> > on
> >> > > what criteria?And you call 200 a smallest gathering. Give me
> break
> >> > man.
> >> > > And why the brave Gen. and
> if he is really brave, did not
> been to
> >> > Saudi
> >> > > Arabia or to Bahrain. We have more problems with our
> expatriate
> >> > > community than in Kuwait.
> >> > >
> >> > > My intention is not to embarrass you but fact is that
> nobody,
> >unless
> >> > > authorized, is allowed to enter the VIP lounge of Kuwait
> Airport.
> >> > Not to
> >> > > talk about entering, he is not even allowed to drive on the
> road
> >> > leading
> >> > > to VIP lounge. Mr. Ejazur you admitted in the past that you
> do
> >> > > exaggerate but don't lie. In what category it falls,
> exaggeration
> >or
> >> > > a lie. Is not it clear to everybody that Mr. Bhuiyan
> exaggerate
> >(or
> >> > lie)
> >> > > like you so you have come for his rescue as he does not have
> any
> >> >
> answer
> >> > > to any of the questions.
> >> > >
> >> > > I am not a supporter of Jamaat-i-Islami but I believe that
> Mr.
> >> > Nizami
> >> > > should have been behind bars not for GATCO but for war
> crimes. Mr.
> >> > > Bhuiyan, you call Gen. a very brave man. You are a very
> die-hard
> >> > > supporter of Jamaat. So you endorse that Nizami was corrupt
> or you
> >> > think
> >> > > it is a ploy of the brave General to divert public
attention
> and
> >to
> >> > stop
> >> > > people calling for war criminal trials.
> >> > >
> >> > > In the end Mr.Ejazur, please don't spend your money in
> Crowne
> >Plaza
> >> > > Hotel. Go to Fahaheel to Ali Baba hotel. The money thus
> saved can
> >be
> >> > > used for the country.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Saeed
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ezajur"
> <ezajur.rahman@ > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Dear Mohammed Ramjan
> >> > > >
> >> > > > You were indeed unfortunate to attend the reception at
> the
> >Crowne
> >> > > > Plaza - the General gave an excellent speech! There
> were only
> >200
> >> > > > guests as space was limited but everyone certainly had
> a
> >> > thoroughly
> >> > > > refreshing evening - the community spoke about the
> problems of
> >our
> >> > > > labourers and the General spoke about efforts underway
> to fix
> >> > some of
> >> > > > the problems. This would never have been possible under
> a
> >> > political
> >> > >
> > government because the crooks are all politically
> protected : )
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Come on man! The Crowne Plaza is a fine hotel but it is
> probably
> >> > the
> >> > > > cheapest five star hotel in Kuwait! Sheesh. It was
> hired solely
> >> > > > because it was the cheapest :D I've hired the same
> ballroom used
> >> > for
> >> > > > Mooen U Ahmed's reception several times - because
> it was the
> >> > > > cheapeast :D
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Be careful about giving too much personal information
> on these
> >> > > > forums - there are real people who provoke you for an
> answer
> >only
> >> > to
> >> > > > identify you. So that when their Nethri comes to power
> they will
> >> > > > harass you. I don't give a rats backside about
> such
> challenges
> >> > but I
> >> > > > am also a reckless person too. Be careful.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I know one person who managed to access the VIP lounge
> and give
> >> > their
> >> > > > regards to Moeen U Ahmed. Its not so difficult. As if
> the VIP
> >> > Lounge
> >> > > > of ZIA Airport cannot be accessed! Yes Kuwait is part
> of the
> >> > > > world :)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Write to me directly and lets meet up! And we can have
> a nice
> >> > cheap
> >> > > > meal at the Crowne Plaza Hotel and discuss who supports
> which
> >> > nethri
> >> > > > on the internet but is too ashamed to actually say it :
> )
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Have a nice day
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Ezajur
> Rahman
> >> > > > Kuwait
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "saeedurrehman92"
> saeedurrehman92@
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Dear Mr.Bhuiyan
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I think that you were unfortunate that you could
> not see Gen.
> >> > Moin
> >> > > > at
> >> > > > > Hotel Crown Plaza (again one of the most
> prestigious Hotels in
> >> > > > Kuwait).
> >> > > > > And, I think that the General was fortunate that
> he did not
> >see
> >> > > > you. You
> >> > > > > said it was smallest public gathering. In what
> capacity
> you
> >were
> >> > > > invited
> >> > > > > there?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Again, you said that you went to VIP lounge of
> Kuwait Airport
> >> > along
> >> > > > with
> >> > > > > Bangladesh Embassy and Kuwaiti Defense Ministry
> officials in
> >(or
> >> > > > on)
> >> > > > > the day of his departure. Were you from Bangladesh
> Embassy or
> >> > from
> >> > > > > Kuwaiti Defense Ministry? In your few minutes talk
> you
> >> > found "this
> >> > > > > general a man of high personalities (or
> personality) , really a
> >> > > > brave son
> >> > > > > of Bangladesh". I don't know that I
> should agree with you or
> >not
> >> > > > > but I found you a man of high personalities
> (or
> personality)
> >> > though
> >> > > > I am
> >> > > > > not sure if you are a brave son of Bangladesh. One
> shake hand
> >> > and
> >> > > > you
> >> > > > > knew everything about the General.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I would like to remind you that Kuwait is also
> part of the
> >world
> >> > > > and if
> >> > > > > not all some people know how the business is
> conducted there.
> >My
> >> > > > > brotherly advice, try to be honest don't
> exaggerate or lie.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Saeed
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, Mohammed Ramjan
> <mramjan@>
> >>
> > wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Fortunately or unfortunately I was invited to
> attend General
> >> > Moin
> >> > > > U
> >> > > > > Ahmed's smallest public gathering in Crown
> Plaza Hotel Kuwait.
> >> > Due
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > > some other reason I did not attend the gathering.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > In the day of his departure at Kuwait Airport
> VIP lounge, I
> >> > was
> >> > > > > present with Bangladesh Embassy and Kuwaiti
> Defence ministry
> >> > > > officials.
> >> > > > > I found this general a man of high personalities,
> really a
> >brave
> >> > > > son of
> >> > > > > Bangladesh. Our talk was held for few
> minutes,
> shake hands and
> >> > > > finally
> >> > > > > goodbye.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Same day I have handed over a book (binder)
> on "Land use
> >> > > > Technology" a
> >> > > > > subject on development control process and
> planning
> >permission,
> >> > > > which
> >> > > > > technology UK implementing from 1948.
> Unfortunately in India,
> >> > > > Pakistan ,
> >> > > > > Bangladesh, no where this subject was included for
> study in
> >any
> >> > > > > engineering college/university or in any
> polytechnic
> >Institute.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > We want implementation of this valuable
> technology in
> >> > Bangladesh.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > >
> > > > Thanking you all
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Mohammed Ramjan Ali Bhuiyan
> >> > > > > > Kuwait
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > To: alochona@: ezajur.rahman@ : Tue, 27 May
> 2008 13:21:11
> >> > > > > +0000Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Moeen U Ahmed in
> Kuwait
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Dear Alochok ZaheedMany thanks for your call
> for good
> >manners.
> >> > > > Though
> >> > > > > to be honest I am probably the one most guilty of
> bad
> >> > manners : ) I
> >> > > > am
> >> > > > > writing to you because you have
> smashed the
> proverbial nail on
> >> > the
> >> > > > head
> >> > > > > by saying...".. .putting forth information,
> references, logic,
> >> > > > > anti-logic, philosophy and morals..."This is
> precisely the
> >> > point -
> >> > > > there
> >> > > > > is hardly any such debate anywhere. People are so
> tied up in
> >the
> >> > > > > technicalities, strategies, problems, processes,
> etc that
> >> > thorough
> >> > > > > political debate on the issues (any issue) simply
> does not
> >> > exist.
> >> > > > Our
> >> > > > > papers are busy collecting handouts, press
> releases,
> >quotations
> >> > and
> >> > > > > numbers. Our editors and tv pundits are busy
> pondering the
> >> > > > mechanisms
> of
> >> > > > > democracy and not the meaning of democracy. And
> thats about
> >> > > > it.WHERE ARE
> >> > > > > THE GREAT NATIONAL DEBATES ON HEALTHCARE,
> EDUCATION,
> >> > ENVIRONMENT,
> >> > > > LOCAL
> >> > > > > GOVERNMENT AND THE ROLE OF ISLAM IN A MODERN
> BANGLADESH? Sure
> >> > > > there's a
> >> > > > > debate on food prices but that debate happened
> because there
> >> > was no
> >> > > > > choice.Go to any BNP and AL meeting and talk to
> them about any
> >> > of
> >> > > > these
> >> > > > > subjects. Some will look bewildered, some will get
> angry
> >> > because you
> >> > > > > didn't mention the 'nethri' and some
> will think you are a
> >> > showoff
> >> > > > from
> >> >
> > > > abroad.But get back to the fight for power and
> everyone is an
> >> > > > expert!
> >> > > > > It's like we're all stuck in a neverending
> third rate Hindi
> >> > daytime
> >> > > > soap
> >> > > > > opera!The Army is indeed the darwan. The
> electorate is the
> >> > > > landlord. The
> >> > > > > politcial parties are the tenants. The darwan has
> indeed taken
> >> > over
> >> > > > > because the tenants are wrecking the house and the
> landlord is
> >> > fed
> >> > > > up.
> >> > > > > The darwan broke some flashy vases and ruined some
> precious
> >> > > > paintings -
> >> > > > > but the house itself was saved. As with all
> jonogonists, fancy
> >> > talk
> >> > > > > about the lower classes
> ultimately gave way to
> scornful
> >disdain
> >> > of
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > lowly darwan!And personal attacks are all part of
> the fun -
> >and
> >> > a
> >> > > > good
> >> > > > > measure of how effective one is :) Best
> wishesEzajur
> >> > RahmanKuwait- --
> >> > > > In
> >> > > > > alochona@yahoogroup s.com, Zaheed Naser
> zaheed_naser@ wrote:>>
> >> > Dear
> >> > > > > Alochok,> > We all support a party, group or
> ideology one way
> >or
> >> > > > another
> >> > > > > and speak for them in a direct or subtle way and
> dear Ejajur
> >> > > > obviously
> >> > > > > speaks for CTG and definitely is not the best
> friend of the
> >two
> >> > > > begums!
> >> >
> > > > Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes, I donft,
> >whichever, I
> >> > > read
> >> > > > > his writings with care and attention obviously
> because of the
> >> > fact
> >> > > > that
> >> > > > > he knows how to dish it out well (and does he
> write well when
> >> > he is
> >> > > > > pissed off J). My attempt here is to draw
> attention to the
> >fact
> >> > > > that we
> >> > > > > shouldnft get personal (licking and all that
> phrases....)
> >when
> >> > > we
> >> > > > > are indulging in an argument, we have the right to
> speak for
> >any
> >> > > > party
> >> > > > > and we can do that by putting forth information,
> references,
> >> > logic,
> >> > > > > anti-logic, philosophy and morals and
> anything
> except stooping
> >> > down
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > > the low level of attacking any Alochok personally
> with
> >indecent
> >> > > > words! >
> >> > > > > > Regards,> Zaheed> > > Sajjad
> Hossain shossain456@ wrote:> Do
> >> > not
> >> > > > wash
> >> > > > > your hands. Lick it for the rest of your life. Did
> you jump on
> >> > his
> >> > > > feet?
> >> > > > > Moeen U Ahmed is a "Daroan" of the
> Country. When a "Daroan"
> >> > takes
> >> > > > over
> >> > > > > the house, then everything collapses. > >
> SH> Toronto> >
> >ezajur
> >> > > > > ezajur.rahman@ wrote:> Khaleda Zia became BNP
> leader and PM
> >> > because
> >> > > > she
> >>
> > > > > is the wife of Ziaur > Rahman. BNP would have
> broken into
> >> > various
> >> > > > groups
> >> > > > > if the symbolism of > Khaleda was absent.
> Khaleda maintained
> >her
> >> > > > > position by a network of > patronage,
> corruption and the
> >> > ruthless
> >> > > > > removal of all internal > opposition.> >
> Hasina Wajed became
> >AL
> >> > > > leader
> >> > > > > and PM because she is the daughter of > Sheikh
> Mujib. AL would
> >> > have
> >> > > > > broken into various groups if the > symbolism
> of Hasina was
> >> > absent.
> >> > > > > Hasina maintained her postion by a > network of
> patronage,
> >> > > > corruption
> >> > > > > and the ruthless removal of all >
> internal
> opposition.> > Tell
> >> > it
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > way it is man Enot the way it makes your patriotic
> ego >
> >feel
> >> > > > > good.> > Where was I asking you to worship
> me or Moeen?> You
> >> > don't
> >> > > > have
> >> > > > > the guts or the ability to write 20 strong lines
> > against
> >> > Hasina or
> >> > > > > Khaleda for anything.> And that's why, in
> reality, you do
> >> > worship
> >> > > > them.>
> >> > > > > > I am indeed privileged to shake the hand of
> the man who went
> >> > > > after >
> >> > > > > Nizami. I am indeed privileged to shake the hand
> of the man
> >who
> >> > > > went >
> >> > > > > after Salauddin Qader Chowdhury.
> But I don't
> expect you to
> >> > > > understand >
> >> > > > > that. Please continue with the pechali, bhejali
> rubbish that
> >> > has >
> >> > > > > ruined our country.> > The same ladies you
> admire were crazy
> >to
> >> > give
> >> > > > > malas to Dr Yunus when > he got the Nobel
> Prize. But when he
> >> > dared
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > > enter politics they > hurled abuse at him like
> the selfish
> >> > > > hypocrites
> >> > > > > they are. Even though > as a citizen he is
> perfectly entitled
> >to
> >> > > > enter
> >> > > > > politics. Becasue these Royal Begums can't
> stand anyone else
> >in
> >> > > > their
> >> > > > > Kingdom.> > Don't give me that
> jonogonist mumbo
> jumbo. That's
> >> > for
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > Royal > Khaleda and Royal Hasina to say during
> their
> >> > campaigns.> > I
> >> > > > > haven't lost my mind. I just see that
> something is better than
> >>
> >> > > > > nothing.> > Are you looking forward to the
> election man and
> >> > making
> >> > > > some
> >> > > > > money if > Hasina and Khaleda become PM? I am!
> If Hasina and
> >> > Khaleda
> >> > > > > become PM > I'm going to make some real
> money. Deshi style!
> >> > Talk the
> >> > > > > jonogon talk > and fill my pockets with the
> nation's money at
> >> > the
> >> > > > same
> >> > > > > time.> > Maybe I could write a book: HOW TO
> MAKE MONEY WITH AL
> >> >
> AND
> >> > > > BNP
> >> > > > > EFOR > DUMMIES.> > Ezajur Rahman>
> Kuwait> > --- In
> >> > > > > alochona@yahoogroup s.com, Sajjad Hossain
> <shossain456@ > >
> >> > wrote:>
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > > Khaleda Zia became Prime Minister of Bangladesh on
> her own
> >> > credit >
> >> > > > and
> >> > > > > elected by the people. She was not there by virtue
> of the
> >> > mighty >
> >> > > > gun.
> >> > > > > 99% of Bangladeshis belong to lower-middle or
> middle class. To
> >>
> >> > > > what
> >> > > > > class Mr Ezajur belong to? To what class Gen Moen
> Uddin Ahmed
> >>
> >> > > > belong
> >> > > > > to? Royal class? Are you asking us to worship
> you?
> Sorry I am
> >>
> >> > not
> >> > > > > worshiping Hasina or Khaleda. Both of them are
> leading two
> >> > large >
> >> > > > > political parties for more than two decades. They
> posses
> >strong
> >> > >
> >> > > > > leadership qualities. Your Gen Moen has tried to
> form one
> >> > political
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > party with the help of C grade politicians and
> Nobel Prize
> >> > winner
> >> > > > but >
> >> > > > > has failed to even kick off.> > > >
> These army boot lickers
> >have
> >> > > > lost
> >> > > > > their minds.> > > > ezajur
> <ezajur.rahman@ > wrote:> > Dear
> >> > > > Alochoks> > >
> >> > > > > > Or perhaps I should
> prefer the State visit of
> Khaleda to
> >> > Kuwait a
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > couple of years ago. Yes, perhaps her visit was
> more dignified
> >> > than
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > the visit of Moeen U Ahmed. > > > >
> She wanted to buy some
> >> > > > jewellery.
> >> > > > > She was advised that the finest > >
> jewellers in Kuwait would
> >> > > > happily
> >> > > > > take a wide selection of pieces > to > >
> her hotel. She was
> >> > advised
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > > go to a prestigious location. But she > >
> took the advice of
> >> > some
> >> > > > idiots
> >> > > > > and went to one of the worst gold > >
> markets in Kuwait. As
> >she
> >>
> > > > walked
> >> > > > > through the shops onlookers were > > bemused
> by her entourage.
> >> > Who
> >> > > > is
> >> > > > > she? Why is she here? The market > > that
> seldom saw an upper
> >> > middle
> >> > > > > class Indian was now graced by the > > Prime
> Minister of
> >> > > > Bangladesh. Of
> >> > > > > course our jonogonists will say > she went to
> the shops of the
> >> > > > common
> >> > > > > man. But of course she bought > nothing >
> > there and in the
> >end
> >> > > > went to
> >> > > > > an exclusive shop and purchased a few > >
> trinkets and baubles
> >-
> >> > > > costing
> >> > > > > well beyond the dreams of the common > >
> man. Any idea
> how
> >much
> >> > she
> >> > > > > spent?> > > > Good old Bangladeshi
> democracy.> > > > It's a
> >> > > > slapstick
> >> > > > > comedy.> > > > Regards> > >
> > Ezajur Rahman> > Kuwait> > > >
> >---
> >> > In
> >> > > > > alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ezajur"
> <ezajur.rahman@ > wrote:> >
> >> > >> > >
> >> > > > > Dear Alochoks> > > > > > On the
> other hand perhaps I am wrong.
> >> > > > Perhaps I
> >> > > > > should prefer > > Hasina > > > to
> Moeen U Ahmed. Perhaps I
> >> > should
> >> > > > prefer
> >> > > > > her State visit to > Kuwait > > > back
> in 2000. The
> >businessmen
> >> > of
> >>
> > > > AL
> >> > > > > held a reception for her in > the > >
> > Grand Ballroom of the
> >> > > > Sheraton
> >> > > > > Hotel. Perhaps I should be proud > of > >
> > when the Foreign
> >> > > > Minister,
> >> > > > > Abdus Samad Azad, declared that the > > >
> audience should
> >shout
> >> > `Joy
> >> > > > > Bangla' in honour of The Nethri. And > as
> > > > the
> >chandeliers
> >> > > > shook to
> >> > > > > the refrain of a 800 idiots chanting Joy > >
> > Bangla the
> >front
> >> > > > rows of
> >> > > > > VIPs, Ambassadors, MPs and Ministers > >
> quickly > > > and
> >> > quietly
> >> > > > > escaped through the side doors. And the
> receptionists > >
> and
> >>
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > security men ran around the hotel like headless
> chickens. And
> >>
> >> > > > other >
> >> > > > > > > guests thought some terrorists had
> attacked. And like a
> >> > > > brilliant >
> >> > > > > > > Foreign Minister he turned to one side
> of the crowd and
> >> > raising
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > his > > > hand urged them to shout even
> louder because he
> >could
> >> > not
> >> > > > hear
> >> > > > > > > them. > > > And Hasina just
> smiled with happiness.> > > >
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > > > The
> >> > > > > Sheraton Hotel, the oldest and most prestigious
> hotel in > >
> >> > > > Kuwait,
> > >
> >> > > > > > entwined with the very history of Kuwait
> itself, witness to
> >> > the >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > graciousness of a 1,000 stately receptions over
> the decades,
> >> > had > >
> >> > > > > just > > > seen its most ungracious
> day.> > > > > > But then
> >who
> >> > > > cares
> >> > > > > that the rest of Kuwait just thought:> >
> > > > > What else do
> >> > you
> >> > > > expect
> >> > > > > from the Prime Minister and Foreign > >
> Minister > > > of the
> >> > > > > cleanersElt; BR>> > > > >
> Regards> > > > > > Ezajur
> >Rahman> > >
> >> > > > > Kuwait > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > --- In
> >> > > > alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ezajur"
> >> > > > > <ezajur.rahman@ > wrote:> > >
> >> > > > Dear Saeed Bhai> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Well I was just saying that I was privileged to
> shake his hand
> >>
> >> > > > and> >
> >> > > > > > > wish him well. Pretty modest compared to
> what you might be
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > thinking> > > > for Hasina or Khaleda
> : )> > > > > > > > He is
> >> > > > certainly
> >> > > > > not one of the greatest personalities on> >
> > > earth but
> >> > > > definitely one
> >> > > > > of the bravest in Bangladesh.> > > >
> > > > > The
> future does
> >not
> >> > > > belong
> >> > > > > to him or me. But it belongs to all > of >
> > us> > > > who
> >want
> >> > a
> >> > > > > Bangladesh without Hasina and Khaleda and all that
> > > they >
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > > > > represent. And in spite of all the mistakes the
> possibilty of
> >>
> >> > > > that > >
> >> > > > > > future exists only because of the courage of
> the CTG. Not
> >> > because
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > of > > > anyone else or anything
> else.> > > > > > > > What is
> >> > this
> >> > > > apple
> >> > > > > polishing you speak of? What do you know >
> about> > > > real
> >> > apple
> >>
> > > > > polishing? Look at what our people do with Hasina
> and> > > >
> >> > > > Khaleda -
> >> > > > > the puja, the worshipping, the polishing, the >
> malishing,> >
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > thel dhalano, the chamchagiri. . It is record
> breaking! We > >
> >> > > > could> > >
> >> > > > > > turn it into an export industry! But you
> won't mention that
> >>
> >> > > > will > >
> >> > > > > > you.> > > > That's too
> uncomfortable. Far easier to talk
> >> > about me
> >> > > > and
> >> > > > > my> > > > handshake.> > >
> > > > > > And what is this pity you
> >> > feel?
> >> > > > What
> >> >
> > > > do you know about real > pity?> > >
> > Where is your pity for
> >our
> >> > > > people
> >> > > > > who are made fools of by> > > >
> politicians year after year
> >> > with lie
> >> > > > > after lie? Where is your > pity> > >
> > for a democracy where
> >> > > > democracy
> >> > > > > ONLY means that political > > operatives>
> > > > are allowed to
> >> > do
> >> > > > > anything they want? Where is your pity for a>
> > > > democracy
> >> > where
> >> > > > if
> >> > > > > you challenge the leader of your party your >
> > house> > > >
> >> > gets
> >> > > > burned
> >> > > > > down? You won't speak of such uncomfortable
> truths. > >
> Far> >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > easier to talk about me wishing the General
> well.> > > > > > >
> >> > > You
> >> > > > > should wish him well too. For because of him the
> voter > rolls
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > will> > > > be more accurate than ever
> before. The voting
> >booths
> >> > > > will be
> >> > > > > > more> > > > secure than ever
> before. The vote count will be
> >> > more
> >> > > > > legitimate > > than> > > > ever
> before. The voters will be
> >safer
> >> > > > than
> >> > > > > every before. Your > > dream> > >
> > will come true - you will
> >> > have
> >> > > > your
> >> > > > > free and fair
> election > between> > >
> > corrupt parties.> > >
> >>
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > I don't dream of a future where unelected,
> unaccountable >
> >> > > > officials> >
> >> > > > > > > are forced to act because of the
> stupidity of elected > >
> >> > > > > politicians. I> > > > dream of a
> future where AL and BNP
> >behave
> >> > like
> >> > > > > proper democratic> > > > parties in a
> modern Bangladesh. And
> >the
> >> > > > CTG has
> >> > > > > done more to > > achieve> > > >
> that than the Central
> >> > Committees of
> >> > > > AL
> >> > > > > or BNP. People who slam > the> > >
> > CTG and claim to
> be
> >neutral
> >> > > > never
> >> > > > > ever talk about AL and BNP. > If > > >
> they> > > > did then
> >they
> >> > > > would
> >> > > > > be really making a difference.> > > >
> > > > > Look at our
> >> > country.
> >> > > > Be
> >> > > > > honest. We have far more to pity than > >
> Moeen> > > > and
> >> > > > Fakhruddin
> >> > > > > and dreamers like me.> > > > > >
> > > By the way - who do you
> >> > think I
> >> > > > > should vote for? Hasina or > > Khaleda?>
> > > > Why? Convince
> >me
> >> > > > without
> >> > > > > insulting me : )> > > > > > >
> > Best wishes> > > > > > >
> >
> >> > Ezajur
> >> > > > > Rahman> > > > Kuwait> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > > > > ---
> >> > > > > In alochona@yahoogroup s.com,
> "saeedurrehman92" > > > >
> >> > > > <saeedurrehman92@ >
> >> > > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > >
> >> > > > > Dear Mr. Ejazur> > > > >> >
> >>
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Thousand and one congratulations on your one of
> the biggest> >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > achievements. I hope you have not washed your
> hands after > >
> >> > > > shaking >
> >> > > > > > > it> > > > >
> with Gen.
> Moeen's hand. You must preserve the
> >> > scent
> >> > > > of
> >> > > > > him on > > > your> > > > >
> hands. The future definitely
> >belongs
> >> > to
> >> > > > you
> >> > > > > because you > shaked > > > hands>
> > > > > with one the
> >greatest
> >> > > > > personality on earth.> > > > >>
> > > > > I really don't feel
> >bad
> >> > > > feel bad
> >> > > > > when I read a writing like > > this.>
> > > > Nice> > > > >
> >piece
> >> > of
> >> > > > apple
> >> > > > > polishing. I, however, feel pity for a nation >
> in> > > >
> >> > which> >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > >
> > > people like this exists.> > > >
> >> > > > > Saeed> > > > >> > >
> >> > > >>
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com,
> "ezajur" <ezajur.rahman@ >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > >
> > > > Dear Alochoks> > > > > >> > > >
> >
> >>
> >> > > > > Yesterday I had the privilege and the honour of
> shaking the >
> >>
> >> > > > hand> >
> >> > > > > > > of> > > > > > General
> Moeen U Ahmed. He is on an official
> >> > visit
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > > Kuwait.> > > > Whilst> > >
> > > > he was largely surrounded
> by
> >> > > > people who
> >> > > > > supported the CTG > and > > > who>
> > > > > > were showering
> >him
> >> > with
> >> > > > > their views I got the opportunity on> > >
> > behalf> > > > > >
> >> > of all
> >> > > > > supporters of the CTG to wish him good health,
> long > > life>
> >>
> >> > > >
> >> > > > and>
> >> > > > > > > > > > continued success. He
> reiterated that the nation
> >> > needed
> >> > > > an> >
> >> > > > > > > election> > > > > > in
> December 2008.> > > > > >> > > > >
> >>
> >> > > > Moeen U
> >> > > > > Ahmed and Dr Fakhruddin are great men and
> I
> remain> > > >
> >> > > > defiantly> > >
> >> > > > > > > > supportive. Becasue of such men we
> know that change is >
> >>
> >> > > > > possible.> > > > > > Because of
> such men even politicians now
> >> > > > believe
> >> > > > > that > change > > is> > > >
> > > possible. That change, so
> >> > > > desperately
> >> > > > > needed, must finally > be> > > >
> decided> > > > > > by our
> >> > > > politicians.
> >> > > > > But there is no doubt that it is these > >
> men > > > who> > >
> >>
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > threw the ball back in the pitch. Lets all pray
> that the >
> >> > teams> >
> >> >
> > > > >
> >> > > > > play> > > > > > sincerely.>
> > > > > >> > > > > > And for those
> >> > who
> >> > > > think
> >> > > > > that standing next to Hasina or > >
> Khaleda> > > > is a> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > greater privilege than shaking the hand of Dr
> Yunus, Dr> > > >
> >> > > > > Fakhruddin or> > > > > > General
> Moeen U Ahmed - even if your
> >> > dreams
> >> > > > > come true, the > > > future> > >
> > > > still does not belong
> >to
> >> > > > you.> >
> >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >
> Regards> > > > > >> > > > > >
> Ezajur
> >Rahman>
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Kuwait> > > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >
> --- In
> >> > > > > alochona@yahoogroup s.com, Faruque Alamgir >
> > faruquealamgir@ >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > IDIOTS ALWAYS THNKS THEM AS
> >THE
> >> > > > > GREATEST INTELIGENT SO > THE > > >
> CASE> > > > > > WITH OUR
> >> > > > > FRIEND...... ......... ......... ......... ...>
> > > > > > >> > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Faruque Alamgir> > > > >
> >
> >> > > > > > > Salahuddin Ayubi
> >> > > > s_ayubi786@>
> >> > > > > > > > > > wrote: Fakahruddin' s
> speech> > > > > > was an
> >> > excellent
> >> > > > one.
> >> > > > > Why nitwits like yourself criticise > him >
> > is> > > > > >
> >> > beyond
> >> > > > my
> >> > > > > comprehension. Instead of using a very famous >
> man's > > >
> >> > name> >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > as your mask why dont you appear in your
> own name. You
> >are>
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > disgracing a great man. You with your level
> of intelligence
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> will>
> >> > > > > > > > > > never reach anywhere near
> what the great man
> >achieved
> >> > in
> >> > > > his>
> >> > > > > > > > > > lifetime. Stop
> bullshitting and misguiding people. I
> >> > do
> >> > > > not >
> >> > > > > > feel> > > > > > that the
> country is safe in the hands of our
> >> > kind
> >> > > > of >
> >> > > > > > > politicians, > > > > >
> > most of whom do not have the basic
> >> > > > education
> >> > > > > behind them. > Era> > > >
> shobai> > > > > > foot pather neta.
> >> > bhalo
> >> > > > > kichu bojhar ba korar shamortho eder> > >
> > > > akebarei nei.>
> >> > >
> >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > .> > > > > > >
> Salahuddin Ayubi> > > > > > >> > > > > >
> >
> >---
> >> > On
> >> > > > Tue,
> >> > > > > 5/13/08, mahathir of bd wouldbemahathirofbd @ >
> > > wrote:> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > From: mahathir of bd
> wouldbemahathirofbd @> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Subject: [Dahuk]: Thanks Fakhruddin - you have
> made us > >
> >> > laugh >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > by> > > > > > your sermon>
> > > > > > > To:
> >> > > > tritiomatra@ yahoogroups. com,
> >>
> > > > > chottala@yahoogroup s.com,> > > > >
> > khabor@yahoogroups. com,
> >> > > > > dahuk@yahoogroups. com,> > > > >
> > vinnomot@yahoogroup s.com,
> >> > > > > alochona@yahoogroup s.com,> > > > >
> >
> >> > > > notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com >
> >> > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, May 13,
> 2008, 7:11 AM> > > > > > >> >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > >
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