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Wednesday, August 26, 2009

[mukto-mona] Media on Terror...



A review article by Yoginder Sikand on recently-released report titled 'Media on Terror', brought out by a team of activists from Karnataka. The report examines in detail the coverage and projection of 'terrorism' in the state of Karnataka. It is based on an analysis of the reporting of 'terrorism' in the Bangalore editions of leading Kannada and English newspapers over several months in 2008, supplemented with in-depth interviews with journalists, stringers and police officials.
 
Media on Terror by kaaashif.

Muslim 'Terrorists' Manufactured By The Media

By Yoginder Sikand

26 August, 2009
http://www.countercurrents.org/sikand260809.htm

It is not just the 'loony' 'vernacular' media, as many are given to believe, but even the 'respectable', 'mainstream', 'national' English-language press in India that have sedulously cultivated the notion of 'Islamic terrorism,' so much so that the image of Muslims in general being either terrorists or their sympathizers enjoys wide currency today. While it is true that some of the most dastardly terror attacks that India has witnessed in recent years have been the handiwork of some Muslims—and this is something that the vast majority of the Indian Muslims themselves deplore—it is also undeniable that Muslims have been unfairly blamed for many other attacks or alleged 'terror plots' by the police as well as the media in which they have had no role to play at all. Many Muslims—and others, too—believe that these false allegations are not innocent errors, but can be said to represent a deliberate and concerted effort to defame and demonise an entire community and the religion with which it is associated.

That, precisely, is what a recently-released report, brought out by a team of secular, leftist non-Muslim activists from Karnataka argues. Titled 'Media on Terror', and issued by the activist group 'Column 9' [so named, the report says, because in a standard newspaper of eight columns, issues and perspectives that deserve a column of their own generally go missing), it is a detailed examination of the coverage and projection of 'terrorism' in the state of Karnataka. It is based on an analysis of the reporting of 'terrorism' in the Bangalore editions of leading Kannada and English newspapers over several months in 2008, supplemented with in-depth interviews with journalists, stringers and police officials in Honnali, Davangere, Hubli, Kalghatgi and Bangalore—places where, the media had reported, 'terrorists'—all of them incidentally Muslims—had been apprehended. This was a period when the media was awash with stories of Muslim 'terrorists' allegedly plotting to 'take over' the whole of Karnataka.

 

A striking finding of the report is that the media in Karnataka, both Kannada and English, 'dangerously seemed to pronounce judgments on those arrested, much before the due process of law was played out'. In fact, the report says, there was 'no material basis to most of the news reports'. The tone of their reporting was sharply 'jingoistic', and 'none of the standards' expected of professional journalism 'seemed to be in evidence'. Alleged terrorists—in many cases innocent Muslim youths arbitrarily picked up by the police—were subjected to 'media trials' based simply on unsubstantiated police claims. The report speaks of 'the blurring of lines between police officials and investigative journalists, who seemed to pre-empt "official" investigation.' The language and rhetoric used in the reporting reflected, the report says, an obvious and deep-rooted bias against Muslims, and a deliberate effort to create a sense of siege among Hindus.

Scores of sensational stories of Muslims being picked up for being 'suspected' terrorists published in the Karnataka media were based on information allegedly received from what were routinely called 'highly placed police officials' or 'intelligence bureau officials'. Predictably, the report says, the names of these police or investigating officials were not provided, which meant that these stories—many of which were patently fabricated—could not be substantiated by these officials. In numerous instances, the reports were based on 'news' wholly manufactured by reporters and stringers, as evidenced from the denials that emerged from the police officials themselves a day after these reports were published, which many papers chose to ignore. In almost all such cases, the newspapers did not bother to issue an apology despite irrefutable confirmation of their falsity. In most instances where the stories about alleged Muslim terrorists were based on information supplied by the police, journalists simply asked no questions at all as to the process of investigation that took place within the police stations despite it being common knowledge that torture is widely used by the police in such cases to extract information or else to force detainees to admit to crimes that they have had no hand in. Consequently, the arrested Muslims were uncritically presented in the media as 'hardcore Islamist terrorists', even without the courts having made their judgments. By presenting no version other than that of the police, the report remarks, the 'investigative' aspect of journalism in Karnataka on the matter of alleged Muslim involvement in 'terrorism' has in fact been reduced to what it calls 'stenographic reporting'. The report adds that the few journalists who tried to balance the stories with the other views about reported incidents about Muslim 'terrorism' or foiled 'terrorist plots' rarely found space in the newspapers.

 

In this regard, it is significant to note that, as the report says, it was mainly at the lower-rungs of the police that journalists depended for their 'stories' (often, for a price it suggests). The journalists interviewed by the team that commissioned the report confirmed that to sustain their relations with police constables they needed to 'keep them happy' and desist from 'undertaking any steps to antagonize them'. This, the report points out, greatly affected the credibility of their reports since they assumed the police version as valid and often failed to critique or to ask any questions about that version. The report adds:

'Across the board, journalists specifically mentioned lower rung police officials, including constables and head constables within the concerned police stations, as sources of information. The journalists' access to these police officials was determined entirely on the basis of their personal rapport and connections staked out within the police stations. It was fairly obvious that the journalists nurtured these relationships with the officials very carefully since the relationships were the base for a potential "exclusive" story"[…] Despite the team's repeated questions seeking names of police officials who acted as sources of information, not a single reporter was willing to share these details.'
Another alarming finding of the report was the arbitrary branding by both the police and the media of literature and CDs allegedly seized by the police from the Muslims who had been arrested as 'jihadi materials'. These were presented as 'proof' of those arrested as being behind acts of terror or even as would-be terrorists. In many cases, the police officials simply refused to share the material with journalists, at most showing them only photos of the covers of books seized from the arrested Muslims. Amazingly, the report relates, according to the journalists they interviewed, 'evidence of the books indeed being jihadi materials lay in the fact that most were books written in Urdu.' In one location where alleged Muslim terrorists had been arrested and so-called jihadi material recovered from them, journalists interviewed by the team mentioned that the police had produced a panel of Urdu experts at a press briefing to confirm that the seized materials were indeed 'jihadi'. Strikingly, none of the journalists had any clue about the identity of these so-called Urdu 'experts'. A journalist in Honnali spoke about a particular CD that was seized by the police from an arrested Muslim, whom the police and the media had alleged was a 'terrorist'. Far from being incendiary material, as was alleged, the CD, it turned out, was actually about an orphanage. Another journalist provided the team that had prepared the report a photograph taken on a mobile phone, where they could read the titles of two books since they were printed in English—one of these was 'The Spirit of Islam' and the other was the 'Holy Quran', books that, needless to say, are not proscribed and are readily available in the market. In this regard, the report rightly asks, 'How can possession of the Holy Koran be presented as proof that the people owning them are suspected terrorists? Why weren't any questions or objections raised about this new tendency of the Indian police who chose to present the possession of the Holy Koran as proof of possible terrorism?'. Thus, the report argues, 'It was very clear that the journalists had labeled books and other seized materials primarily on the basis of their interactions with the police and, to some extent, on the basis of internalized personal prejudice'.

Yet another striking finding of the report is that not a single journalist whom the team met and who had reported on the arrest of alleged Muslim terrorists had received clear instructions or editorial guidelines pertaining to coverage of sensitive issues such as terrorism from their respective editorial chiefs. Many journalists spoke of the pressure to meet the evening deadlines for daily reports, and so, they admitted, there were several occasions when they did not have the time to verify the claims of police officials in cases of real or alleged terrorist attacks or plots, and merely carried police version without cross-checking. Equally distressingly, the report unveiled, reporters located in regions that usually received no print space or attention in the press found themselves catapulted to attention through the sensationalist, and often false, reports that they filed during the time of the arrests' and got front page coverage. The reporters also mentioned the pressure exerted on them by the state bureau chiefs to file reports that were "exclusive" to the organisation. This conduced, the report says, to sensationalism and even to the fabrication of reports. As the report puts it, 'In the consequent one-upmanship created by the pressure to perform within the confines of a profit-driven industry, the journalists admitted to several compromises on the articles' authenticity and their contents.' Some journalists interviewed unanimously admitted that the reports they had filed were intentionally sensationalist in nature. According to them, what was of paramount importance was for them to 'prove' that the arrested persons were in fact guilty, that they were in fact members of 'Islamist terrorist' organisations, even much before the courts were given the chance to lay down their verdicts. Sadly, as the report says, these reporters saw their 'sensationalist reporting', not as a crime, but, rather, as 'a service that they were rendering to the nation'—they claimed that in this way they were exposing 'hardened criminals' and potential terrorists who were capable of inflicting much harm to society.

One of the persons interviewed by the team, the reporter for the Kannada Prabha in Hubli, openly admitted that '60% of the reports that he had filed were false and inaccurate'. Similarly, the Hubli reporter for the Times of India admitted to using a photograph of an unrelated dargah with his report about an alleged Muslim terrorist camp, and and falsely described the flag near the dargah as a Pakistani one. In fact, it so turned out, the correspondent himself had never been to the location. In an incident in coastal Karnataka, after two Muslim men were paraded naked and brutally assaulted in public by Hindu Yuva Sena activists for transporting cows, a Muslim protest rally was taken out in Udipi. Kannada papers falsely alleged that the demonstrators had unfurled a Pakistani flag and raised pro-Pakistan slogans and, without any evidence, accused them of being linked to Al-Qaeda and the Lashkar-e Tayyeba. Although the police denied these claims, the papers pressed on with their accusations. In another bizarre case, a Muslim man from Bangalore associated with the Muslim IT Association was wrongly accused by the Times of India of being linked to a terrorist organization. Despite these blatant falsehoods, the report notes with distress, in the overwhelming majority of cases the newspapers did not issue any apologies or acknowledge their (possibly deliberate) errors.

The team also met with senior police officials in Bangalore and Davangere. It found that 'they appeared to be less concerned and engaged with the prevention of biased media reporting and introspection into the role of the police.' They argued that it was not the responsibility of the police to challenge inaccurate reports filed by journalists, and that this was also time-consuming. The SP of Davangere, the report says, 'readily acknowledged the leakage of information to the press through the lower rung officials though they were expressly forbidden from doing so.' She admitted its continuance despite the issuing of a whip asking all police officials below the rank of SP to refrain from interactions with journalists, and suggested that journalists should depend on official press communiqués released by SPs.

Among the many cases of false framing of Muslims as 'terrorists' in Karnataka that the report highlights, one deserves special mention to indicate the deep-rootedness of anti-Muslim prejudices in the state machinery, particularly since the BJP emerged as such a powerful force in Karnataka. The team met with judicial officer Jinaralkar at the judicial magistrate's first class court at Honnali, where two Muslim youths, Abdullah and Nasir, had been arrested on grounds of allegedly being terrorists. Jinaralkar defended his awarding of the two to police custody, although they were initially arrested and presented as bike thieves, a decision the media highlighted and lauded, crediting the judge with foresight in identifying the arrested duo as 'suspected terrorists'. The judge explained his decision by stating that the material seized from them when they were arrested indicated that they might in fact have been terrorists, rather than bike-robbers as was initially claimed: duplicate identity cards, a dagger, a map of south India with red marks against Udupi and Goa, an American dollar, two pieces of paper, with the phrase www.com written on one and 'Jungle King Behind Back Me' on another.

The judge told the team, 'When I looked at these materials in their entirety, several things were clear to me. I felt that these were definitely not just bike thieves—why would bike thieves carry around duplicate identity cards and a map of south India? The fact that they had an American dollar seemed to indicate their international links, while the paper with www.com indicated that they were tech-savvy […] Definitely enough grounds in my opinion to grant the police their custody to facilitate their further investigations' .


The report indicates that journalists in Karnataka (and this probably holds true for the rest of the country) typically see terrorism as a specifically Muslim phenomenon, and do not even consider the possibility of Hindu 'terrorists', although, as the report points out, in Karnataka today, particularly with the rise of the BJP, scores of incidents of terror against Muslims (as well as Dalits) by Hindu groups have been recorded. Predictably, the media does not describe these as instances of 'Hindu terrorism'. This points to what the report terms as the dangerously marked 'internalisation of Hindu nationalism' by media professionals in Karnataka, and the projection by the media of the Hindutva lobby as the presumed 'sole representative' of the Hindus.

'Media on Terror' can be procured from Column 9, No. 51, 29th Cross, 9th Main, Banashankari 2nd Stage, Bangalore 560070. Price: Rs. 25.

 
With Regards

Abi
 

"At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst"

- Aristotle


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[mukto-mona] Banning Old Cars



Banning Old Cars

Dear Editor Sir,

 

I have recently learnt that government is thinking of banning old cars. Will it be a prudent decision? The government should remember that this country is a poor country and no elitist decision will bear any fruit. Rather, it will damage life and livelihoods of poor and middleclass people. Permit me to give you some examples:

 

1) Most of the rental car services carrying school-going children use old cars considering cost-effectiveness. In the adequacy of private transports (eg scooters, taxicab, etc) the guardians have to resort to rental car services for sending their children to schools. What would happen to these children if old cars are banned?

2) A huge number of children work in the garages which earn money by repairing mostly old cars. Most of the families of these children depend on the earnings of these children. Banning old cars will reduce their earning and it will push them to poverty situation.

3) A huge amount of trading is dependent on the import and purchase of parts for repairing old cars. Banning old cars will reduce this trading and hence reduce the economic activities based on old cars. At least half of the economic activities of Dolaikhal will be reduced.

4) Majority people of middleclass families can afford only old cars. Old cars ease their lives against a situation where public transport system cannot help them. These families will fall into a helpless condition.

5) The government should remember that at least 70% cars are old and are used directly or indirectly by middleclass and poor people. Also the public transports that carry the middleclass and poor office-goers, are mostly of old cars or vehicles. What would happen to these people if the ban is imposed?

6) A huge number poor drivers will lose there jobs and their families will fall into poverty. Does the government want this?

 

The government should remember that Dhaka city or big cities are not the abodes of only rich people, rather of mostly middleclass or poor people. Therefore, any decision to ban old cars will harm the easygoing lives of this majority of people.

 

What the government can do is to give very strong emphasis on fitness. If the fitness is okay there is no problem with the old cars. There are even cars of the 80s which are giving very efficient service due to better maintenance. If the government becomes very strict on fitness of the cars then people will be serious about the proper maintenance and better efficiency. Make BRTA strict on fitness and traffic system efficient. Impose strict punishment for those who break traffic rules. This will improve traffic system. The government should be strict on improving overall traffic system rather than chop out head to relieve headache. This is the expectation of the middleclass and poor people from the government.

 

Ahmed Selim

Banani, Dhaka




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[mukto-mona] Re: [IndianJustice] Re: ALLAH/ TIRED???



Br Anis Rahmam
 
I think you are day dreaming. You are disoreinted.
You don,nt know what is  going on.
let me refresh you with a little bit of recent history.
 
President Bush had a deep desire to spread christianity in the middle east
by the power of big guns.
He went with big guns and blew up every tower in Bagdad.
Some born again christians said we believe in Jesus that
is why God has given us big Guns ok.
 
In reality they don,nt they believe in Jesus(peace and blessing
of Allah be upon him)  they believe in St.Paul.
 
Most of the New Testament is written by St. Paul.
 
 
Saddam Hussein(who killed over a million muslims) was hanged.
 and the people with the name Hussein were considered
has Public enemy number one in America.
About 2 years ago
A soldier walks into my office wanted to buy house.
After preliminary discussions, he said we did very bad things
in Iraq . We  killed some people just because their
name was Hussein. Today I feel sorry, I am not happy.
I said what will you do if Barrack Hussein Obama becomes
the President. He said I don,nt know.
 

President Bush popularity went so low that even his own party, did,nt

invited him to a single election rally.  His own party members did not

like him to attend any of their fundraising dinners. His party nominee lost

 

Allah(swt) God Tired with the muslims
He took charge and he put  Barrack Hussein Obama in the
white house.

President Barrack Hussein  Obama after the election started telling that

his father was Muslim his relatives are muslims.

The news media started  asking questions Mr President

Hello hello Mr President , Mr president you never mentioned about

 Your Muslim relatives before election.

Prsident Barrack  Hussain Obama said shut up.

 

"O mohammed the disbelievers want to put out

the light of Allah

They will not be able to do it" Holy Quran

 

Today in washington area The Jewish and Muslim communities

are getting together and want to link every Islamic Center

with a Mosque and we call it twining. 

Some of them are offering their synagogues for Friday prayers for free.

There are four white firebrand converted christian/Jewish Imams in our area.

Islam is spreading like wild fire.

The Attorney General of America wants to prosecute some

of the CIA agents for torturing the muslim detainees.

 

Br Anis

 

Allah (swt) warn the muslims that if you don,nt do the job

I will replace you with another group of people.

 

Get this in your Head

The big guns of America are in the hands of

President Barrack Hussein Obama

and I am trying to get an invitation  to the Iftar dinner at the white house

with President Barack Hussein Obama.

We are nobody Br Anis

Stop  worshipping Devdas

Worship your creator

by the way Devdas is a good friend of mine.

 

Jimmy Jimmy

 

Your Quote ""Hard to concentrate during month of Ramadan" 

 

You are suffering from attension Deficency Disorder (ADT).

 

You can,nt write more than few sentences.

 

You are also suffering from OCD (Obsessive compulsive disorder) .

whenever you see an email about Islam you have to attack.

Br Jimmy I love you too much  please go and see a Psychatrist.

I am worried about your health.

 

 

I end with a quote from Hindu scripture "Whenever and wherever there

is injustice God sends someone to stop the mess"

"Yadda yada dharmasia galnair Bharati Bhararta Abhi yutanam adharmasiys

tadaatman sujamaim" (sanskrit)

 

Just like you love all your kids 

God loves all of us whether we

listen to his commandements or not

There is no such thing has a Hindu God, Muslim God or a christian God.

 

Sorry Br Anis and Jimmy

Islam is a done deal.

Learn from the experience of President Bush.

 

Always remeber "People who are at

a higher God Consious level

wants to build bridges between

communities, bring peace

and harmony to the world they love all"

The sun shines on the good and bad.

 

Kamal Mustafa
--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Jimmy Jumshade <jimmybug@rocketmail.com> wrote:


From: Jimmy Jumshade <jimmybug@rocketmail.com>
Subject: [IndianJustice] Re: ALLAH/ TIRED???
To: khabor@yahoogroups.com, mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, "Alochana" <alochona@yahoogroups.com>, "banglanari" <banglarnari@yahoogroups.com>, "baainews@yahoo.com" <baainews@yahoo.com>, "asghar" <msa7011@yahoo.com>, turkman@sbcglobal.net, "khurshid" <mirza.syed@gmail.com>, "abid" <abidbahar@yahoo.com>, "abusayeeddr" <abusayeedr@yahoo.com>, "Aftab Kazmi" <aftab_kazmi@hotmail.com>, "ahumanb" <ahumanb@yahoo.com>, "Alamgir" <malamgir1@aol.com>, anisahmed63@yahoo.com, "arrad" <arrad@ymail.com>, "atif" <atif98@yahoo.com>, "avijit" <avijit_dev@yahoo.co.in>, axabi11@yahoo.com, "Bashir" <bsyed@worldnet.att.net>, "ben" <ben_inda@yahoo.com>, "delwar" <delwar98@hotmail.com>, "dina" <dina30_khan@yahoo.com>, "drmanik" <eastside_peds@bellsouth.net>, "DrNayeem" <naymulkarim@yahoo.com>, "drshabbir" <drshabbir@bellsouth.net>, "enayet" <enayet_2000@yahoo.com>, "Farid" <akhtergolam@gmail.com>, "firoz" <afirozny@yahoo.com>, "hannan" <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>, himu.rozario@comcast.net, "inayat" <minayet@yahoo.com>, "Isah Khan" <bd_mailer@yahoo.com>, "javed" <javediqbalkaleem@yahoo.com>, "javedz" <javedz@hotmail.com>, "Jiban" <jiban_roy@yahoo.com>, "lal" <lalhgehi@yahoo.com>, "mkhan" <mukhan11@yahoo.com>, "mramjam" <mramjan@hotmail.com>, "mubashir" <mubashir@rogers.com>, "Nizam" <nizam_moer@sky.com>, "Nizam" <nzh.biman@gmail.com>, "OSMAN BELAL" <awobelal@yahoo.co.uk>, "SAIF Davdas" <islam1234@msn.com>
Cc: wideminds@yahoogroups.com, indianjustice@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 7:05 AM

 


"Hard to concentrate during month of Ramadan" is ample proof that Ramzan makes people useless & unproductive for one whole month, while damaging the economy. This barbaric ritual is quite useless like the entire Arab religion but Muslims will never stop living like 1400 years ago useless ARABS....... .& trying to get their ample SINS forgiven because to keep this fraud going "SIN-forgiving" has been attached to it to make the fools keep indulging in this "Food saving/food rationing" 1400 years ago excercise... ......... .







--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Anis Rahman <anis90242@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Anis Rahman <anis90242@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [khabor.com] Re: ALLAH/ TIRED???
To: khabor@yahoogroups. com, mukto-mona@yahoogro ups.com, "Alochana" <alochona@yahoogroup s.com>, "banglanari" <banglarnari@ yahoogroups. com>, "baainews@yahoo. com" <baainews@yahoo. com>, "asghar" <msa7011@yahoo. com>, turkman@sbcglobal. net, "khurshid" <mirza.syed@gmail. com>, "abid" <abidbahar@yahoo. com>, "abusayeeddr" <abusayeedr@yahoo. com>, "Aftab Kazmi" <aftab_kazmi@ hotmail.com>, "ahumanb" <ahumanb@yahoo. com>, "Alamgir" <malamgir1@aol. com>, anisahmed63@ yahoo.com, "arrad" <arrad@ymail. com>, "atif" <atif98@yahoo. com>, "avijit" <avijit_dev@yahoo. co.in>, axabi11@yahoo. com, "Bashir" <bsyed@worldnet. att.net>, "ben" <ben_inda@yahoo. com>, "delwar" <delwar98@hotmail. com>, "dina" <dina30_khan@ yahoo.com>, "drmanik" <eastside_peds@ bellsouth. net>, "DrNayeem" <naymulkarim@ yahoo.com>, "drshabbir" <drshabbir@bellsouth .net>, "enayet" <enayet_2000@ yahoo.com>, "Farid" <akhtergolam@ gmail.com>, "firoz" <afirozny@yahoo. com>, "hannan" <sahannan@sonarbangl adesh.com>, himu.rozario@ comcast.net, "inayat" <minayet@yahoo. com>, "Isah Khan" <bd_mailer@yahoo. com>, "javed" <javediqbalkaleem@ yahoo.com>, "javedz" <javedz@hotmail. com>, "Jiban" <jiban_roy@yahoo. com>, "lal" <lalhgehi@yahoo. com>, "mkhan" <mukhan11@yahoo. com>, "mramjam" <mramjan@hotmail. com>, "mubashir" <mubashir@rogers. com>, "Nizam" <nizam_moer@sky. com>, "Nizam" <nzh.biman@gmail. com>, "OSMAN BELAL" <awobelal@yahoo. co.uk>, "SAIF Davdas" <islam1234@msn. com>
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 8:31 PM



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Thank you Arif
I appreciate for your time to express yourself, truly it appear you are a good Muslim
You see the world around you as a Muslim, you are surrounded in the world of Islam in your mind. It is always good to have open dialog.
If the topic of this forum's conversation disturb you in case, I will highly recommend you not to read or participate, you are most welcome do your fasting and prayer in the month of Ramadan. I think we should all respect that,
 but you do not have the right to call propaganda with out having proof or saying us Jews or back bench-er, because we are not,
we are coming forward to proof Islam is a false religion and Allah died in the 7Th Century with Mohammad his creator.
 and you do not have right to call some one moron.
Devdas deserve respect for his unique mind, as he brings hypocrisy inside of us with humorous way, if you failed to respect some one for this knowledge, please be quite
 but you do not have the right to call him moron. If you read Mohammad's life carefully and think rationally, you will find him as a greatest moron in the world :) I still can not believe how he married uncounted woman in the same time, I can not believe how he went to bed with his adopted son's wife before even marring her, I can not believe how he can consummated marriage with a 8 years old girl, he is the biggest moron, not Devdas.
I like to request you in the month of Ramadan to seek forgiveness and apology to Saif Devdas.
You are also in the confused world Islam where you have mixed up every thing to gather like freethinker, Westerners, American Imperialism and Zionism, of cours American media, hope you understand our fight is not with only Islam and its 7the century barbaric Arab culture but also American Imperialist war power and desire to dominate the world. I feel the same way when it comes to Afghanistan and Iraq and all the other parts of oppress world.
and I like to mention that Devdas's vision is a "Global Human Village"
 
Thank you Arif
again I appreciate your time
 
Anis Rahman
Love and Commitment
 
 
 
 


--- On Tue, 8/25/09, arif uk <arif1964uk@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:

From: arif uk <arif1964uk@yahoo. co.uk>
Subject: [khabor.com] Re: ALLAH/ TIRED???
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Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 8:33 AM

 
Hard to concentrate during the month of Ramadhjan but I will try to say something. It is not new, and this is just a Zionist propaganda to disturb Muslim and to test Muslim's patience during the fasting month. Do not know who is this SaifDevdas but we all know who are these Google, and the rest. First consider this that who added these stories in the Google, at least Google did not do this by itself, it is done by human, and we know Google is part of CIA, and influenced by Israeli lobbies, and atheists morons. They cannot say the dark side about themselves but only about others to divert our views only.
May be some data are close to the truth but do we really know in what position these back-benchers live?
Firstly, Sweden, V, D, & N are mainly semi communist (atheist) countries, and Japan was once known to everyone as Devil from the other side of the ocean. Have you ever checked their PAST? Certainly not. Just check it, well not from your Google but go to a library, you will know how hostile they were, boy!
Muslim live on this planet Earth just to pass a period preparing for the next and endless life. Muslims do not need earthly things, as we know we cannot take those to hereafter and others have no ways but to enjoy this earth life only.
Muslims were ahead in science, education, medicine, in everything but the modern world, controlled by Zionist Media, known nothing or just ignorant. Baghdad was the centre point of all knowledge and there was big and rich library, which was destroyed by some pre-historic nihilistic thugs. People from Baghdad made the first plane 700s BC, their advances were stopped mercilessly by then Zion.
I did not like this attack to Muslims. Why we pick religion, especially Islam. Can you say anything truth against your own religion, if you follow any? If Muslims are beggars (as you have said, and considering you are not a Muslim) then can we call all non Muslim as robbers. Check what the Christian and & Jewish armies & countries did in Afghanistan, Iraq, and are doing in Palestine for ages!
What freedoms you are talking about, are you from any of these countries? You only can speak what you are allowed and for what you are paid (in case you are an agent) otherwise try to say the truth and get a bullet in your head.
The rulers of Saudi Arabia and most Muslim countries are puppets and agents of Zion, they are known as Muslim Zion.
You may attack Muslims for wrong doing, well, if you have right to do so, but do not touch Islam. This is code of life and choosen by only God Allah. Islam was the religion of all prophets but their followers manipulate it in their own ways.
I guess, I must stop here as you morons have no heart to get any good points but can argue like a druggy.
Go to the hell, where you fit best, and you all Muslim bashers deserve it.
arif

 


From: Anis Rahman anis90242@yahoo. com
To:
Sent: Tuesday, 25 August, 2009 15:39:40
Subject: Re: ALLAH/ TIRED???

Lol
I wonder who will come forward to answer your question, cant wait!!

--- On Mon, 8/24/09, SAIF Davdas <islam1234@msn. com> wrote:

From: SAIF Davdas <islam1234@msn. com>
Subject: ALLAH/ TIRED???
To:
Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 9:18 PM


Honorable Forum Members>I asked the Omniscient Hazrat Google—about the state of the union  of the non-religious, atheistic countries, and here is the answer I got---Sweden, Vietnam, Denmark, Norway and Japan are the least religious mostly atheistic yet, peaceful , loving, and technologically most advanced Countries in the world. Hazrat Google also sadly informed me that the Muslim Countries are the most religious with the lowest IQ---and they are the most un-Democratic, un-Civil, un-Cultured, un-Couth, un-Hygienic, Sluggish in business, Improvident in Habits, intolerant in Behavior, backward in Outlook, and technologically the least developed in the world. Hazrat Google further verifies sadly the reason Muslims lagging behind the Kafirs in every field is that they are earning PhDs in Applied Sciences and not in Sciences. They are told not to do Bidah by their Religion and they depend too much on Allah to solve all their earthly problems. Actually Allah is getting pretty sick and tired of these beggars—begging non-stop 24/7/365. Most of the Australians, the Orientals, the Russians, and the Europeans are Atheists. The Australia, The Canada, The Scandinavia, The Europe, The Japan, The New Zeeland, are beautiful, secular, democratic, tolerant,  civil, progressive, rich and  wonderful places to live in and raise families. Where, Freedom, Humanism and Human spirit has triumphed. These countries provide proof positive that People can be moral and decent without someone either putting the fear of God into them or inspiring them with the love of Mohammed, Krishna , Jesus or Buda. Admittedly, laundry list of evil, such as homosexuality, father's not being allowed to see their sons, women marrying dog, women marrying women--has engulfed the so called civilized societies. Logically it would follow that the Muslims, specially a practicing one, will run from these immoral countries as fast as possible! But is this the case? Why not? Why there are more than a million Muslim would be Immigrant applicants in the Scandinavian pipeline alone? Why the 'real Muslims' of Indian Sub-Continent- -given a choice to live in Sweden or Mecca---always choose Sweden and yet are convinced without a shadow of a doubt that Islam is the perfect system? I ask you—what kind of logic is that?
SaifDevdas
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Re: [ALOCHONA] AL move to end caretaker system gains momentum



In Bangladesh, it is simply impossible to transfer power under the political government - whether it is BAL or BNP. We need to continue with the caretaker system for long. BAL failed the test in the Upazilla election under the current EC.
 


--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Sajjad Hossain <shossain456@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sajjad Hossain <shossain456@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] AL move to end caretaker system gains momentum
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 9:17 PM

 
The timing of writing a piece in favour of abolishing the Caretaker System by Afsan Chowdhury is particularly interesting.
He is nothing but the "hired Bhudhijibi" of the Awami Camp. He just re-iterated his Masters voice.
 
Now, 'democracy is for the fully grown adults." Insteresting! Since 1996 to 2007, according to Ms Majid our politicians were children.
As soon as with the help of pro-Awami Election Commission, when Awami League ascended to the Throne, now they have become adult including 59 years Sheikh Hasina and 64 years Begum Zia. I did not know that in Bangladesh someone needs to wait that long to be an adult.
 
Free and fair election. Yes, can be organized but not by the Election Commission under Dr Huda which scored a world record of 87% vote casting in a national election; in many cases with 110% vote casting.
SH
Toronto


From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@ hotmail.com>
To: Alochona Alochona <alochona@yahoogroup s.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:50:47 PM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] AL move to end caretaker system gains momentum

 
   The childish reasoning of this person is to be noted with inyerest.  Children need caretaking, since they know not how to act responsibly. Democracy is for fully grown adults.
 
      . . . . Simply put, Bangladeshi parties don't have the political maturity, intent or will to have free and fair elections when in power. The Election Commission can do a much better job and by strengthening the commission much can be improved and even moved towards a system where the caretaker government will not be required. .....

                            Afsan Chowdhury got it right.
 
            farida majid

To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
From: shossain456@ yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:04:28 -0700
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] AL move to end caretaker system gains momentum

 
If next time BNP comes to power due to touch of some miracle, you would see Awami League on the street again to re-introduce the Caretaker Government System. Same "Budhijibis" will turn their arguments 180 degrees around.

SH
Toronto


From: Ezajur Rahman <ezajur.rahman@ q8.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 5:43:42 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] AL move to end caretaker system gains momentum

 

AL move to end caretaker system gains momentum
The system of non-party supervision of elections is a product of our political parties and their immaturity and absolute inability to come to power through fair and public participatory methods. The situation could be worth changing if the situation had improved but, remarkable as it may seem, our political parties have remained as unable to be part of a democratic process as they were two decades back
in 1990, writes Afsan Chowdhury

Courtesy New Age 24/8/09


AWAMI League leaders of the middle variety as well as a few of the top ones – or should we say ex-top ones – have recently started to deride the caretaker government system which has been in place for almost two decades. It is stated to have been an experiment that has lived out its purpose and time, and is ready to be discarded.
   The Awami League has, of course, said that it is not a decision and that the issue should be debated and even the Election Commission should be part of the debate but the intentions are clear – it does not want the caretaker government system anymore.
   The caretaker government system was introduced as an interim measure in 1990 after the fall of Ershad following the mass movement. The movement had been on for nearly a decade against the somewhat feeble regime of Ershad because the two contenting parties – the Bangladesh Nationalist Party and the Awami League – were so antagonistic to each other that they never even managed to get together to fight their common enemy jointly, allowing Ershad to go on for so long.
   Once Ershad had fallen, there was no succession and so the concept of 'neutral caretaker government' under Justice Shahabuddin Ahmed, then the chief justice of the Supreme Court, took over, a concept born out of necessity. It was supposed to be an interim, short-term arrangement in view of the complete lack of trust of the political parties in each other at that time. The arrangement worked the first time but trust in each other never increased. The arrangement was incorporated into the constitution in 1996.
   The arrangement was never popular but everyone accepted it because it was convenient for the two warring parties during an election. The neutral tag of the caretaker government soon disappeared as the interim members of the government were largely split between representatives of both the parties but it swayed and rolled on till in 2006-7 when it faced its worst crisis when the BNP abused the mechanism to an absurd level. Its very transparent manipulation attempt exposed the fact that even this system could itself cause a crisis. That such action by politicians can hurt the system so badly that political options can disappear from the table leaving only violence behind. The inevitable result was the military-backed civilian takeover and the rest is well known. The Awami League had even then expressed unhappiness and now is doing so again. Why the sudden acceleration of dislike of the system which has brought them to power through the 2008 elections is not well understood. Meanwhile, the BNP has already expressed opposition to the idea as expected.
   The system of non-party supervision of elections is a unique system in the world and product of our political parties and their immaturity and absolute inability to come to power through fair and public participatory methods. The situation could be worth changing if the situation had improved but, remarkable as it may seem, our political parties have remained as unable to be part of a democratic process as they were two decades back in 1990. The reason which had led to the birth of the neutral caretaker government system remains as valid as it was then. So what has changed since then that the Awami League is keen to replace it with a party-in-power- based election is not understood?
   Speculation one – the Awami League wants to do a BNP in future, that is just as the BNP distorted the system to try to stay on in power in 2006 by manipulating the mechanism. It couldn't face the idea of handing over power after only a term and it was very unsure that it could win on a popular ticket. It was a desperate move that backfired on them.
   The Awami League till now has been having a very bad time since elections and its performance is not winning vote points. Many of the problems it faces have grown over the years under both party regimes and by ignoring such issue they have now become huge and perhaps unmanageable. If the Awami League can't handle them, unpopularity is inevitable and that may translate into an electoral disaster the next time. The party may not want to risk a free and fair election under the present system. Hence, it wants to do away with it and reduce risk unlike the BNP which wanted to keep the system but manipulate it.
   Speculation two – the Awami League believes that the time is right for making a move that will further push the BNP into a corner. The BNP doesn't resemble a winner's party anymore and the tag of corruption and support to terrorist elements is a major burden for the BNP. It does have a degree of dependence on these elements for its political clout but, as the regional concern for extremist violence grows, the Awami League may find itself as a facilitator of clamping down on such forces. The Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami, the BNP's main ally, is basically a Pakistan-based party of its ancestors, and its brothers in Pakistan aren't doing too well as all extremists get lumped together there as 'enemies' as the fight against the Taliban expands. These parties while varying in their extremism are all ideologically anti-Indian and if that is an ideology, then it will soon become involved in regional politics, if not terrorism. Should the security scenario become more dangerous, there may be a nod to the Awami League to at act tough against such elements and both the BNP and Jamaat may be at the receiving end of the AL stick with regional and global support behind it. So if the Awami League emerges as the only goods on the political shelf the neutral caretaker government system will lose relevance.
   Speculation three – the Awami League knows that the BNP is weakened and after the war crimes trials which will be held most probably even if in a diminished manner, both the BNP and Jamaat will be on the back foot and the Awami League will be able to push through a series of changes suiting its politics. If the BNP can be shown to have consorted too closely with Jamaat, which is certain to be linked with war crimes, if not tried as such, the Awami League will hope to cut down the level of street opposition and push its new plan. The time may be right according to them.
   These may well be what the Awami League is thinking and it doesn't matter if they are speculation or not but the fact of the matter is, the Awami League is on the move to cut down a system which, given our political performance, should stay much longer. The people of Bangladesh have shown that they have political maturity but the BNP's action during its last regime and the Awami League's action since coming to power in its last incarnation can hardly make anyone think that Bangladesh has reached a state of political stability under which fair elections will be or can be held.
   Of course there are two factors that can make or unmake the argument. One is the function of the Election Commission and the other is the role of the army.
   It can be argued that the caretaker government is not necessary as the Election Commission is strengthened enough. This is a key question but there have been doubts about the level of power the commission enjoys and if those powers actually allow it to supervise the entire electoral process and the conducting of related business. The tirade of the BNP politician Salahuddin Quader Chowdhury against the commission after it declared him guilty of misinforming it about his educational qualifications the people and his refusal to resign followed by threats are indicators that the commission is still far short of the powers that would give it the kind of clout needed to ensure a free and fair election even when a party is in power.
   Apart from that, given the history of our politics, there is little evidence that the government will make the Election Commission so strong and independent that it can call the shots in an election no matter who rules the roost. Since our political parties have, in fact, systematically weakened the judiciary and the political institutions, it would take an unrealistic optimist to think that our parties will make any institution stronger than the party in power. In that case, we would not need the caretaker government but right now the Election Commission is nowhere near empowered to make a difference that will see an unpopular government thrown out by the voters even if in power.
   Right now the most organised and strengthened institution in the country is the army and it is their tilt to a proper election managed by the Election Commission saw the results that we have now. It's no secret that the ex-army chief General Moeen's actions in this regard hurt the BNP which is why the plethora of cases and condemnations of this man by BNP leaders. However, still now, it's the military guarantee that ensures civilian rule. That will be so in the future unless some major incident occurs or any new factor is introduced. Is the Awami League hoping that the military will also support this move to end caretaker government thinking that the army has gone pro-Awami League?
   The army wears olive uniforms and not the black coat of the Awami League and its support to the Awami League was strategic given in the best interest of self-preservation. If the AL decision to end the caretaker government system makes it unpopular, a generator of instability and again returns the kind of situation which forced the army to act as protector of the state and the army itself, the Awami League may find a friend missing, the friend that matters.
   The decision to try to shift away from an established system that has provided and can provide stability, if both parties decide to respect it, is a matter of great concern. It seems that the Awami League has decided to do so and is now making dry runs but there is no evidence to suggest that it can be carried off because the BNP will certainly oppose it on the streets and the situation is not so strong for the Awami League that it can override them.
   Simply put, Bangladeshi parties don't have the political maturity, intent or will to have free and fair elections when in power. The Election Commission can do a much better job and by strengthening the commission much can be improved and even moved towards a system where the caretaker government will not be required. But, to decide that, a system which is designed to protect the people from the political parties and their antagonism shouldn't be done away with simply because it looks a good time to act in a way that will ensure the favourite fantasy of Bangladeshi parties – endless rule.

 


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RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: FW: Jaswant Sing's Expulsion : A wrong Reading of History--Asia Post editorial dated 21.8.09





Mr. Hannan is probably aware of the fact that Jinnah did not know how to pray, ate bacon and could hardly say a few incoherent sentences in Urdu.
He can check these facts out if he finds them doubtful.

 
Reza




 


To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: m_musa92870@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:09:00 +0000
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: FW: Jaswant Sing's Expulsion : A wrong Reading of History--Asia Post editorial dated 21.8.09

 
Does this picture tell whether Jinaah was a modern-secular man or something else as people like SA Hannan claim? Do I see pet dogs (one white and one black) around Jinnah and his beloved daughter Dinah who left her father and his religion to marry a Catholic Persian? Jinnah's only grandson Nusli Wadia converted to Zoroastrianism and is an active member of anti-Muslim BJP in Bombay, India. Friday Times Pakistan published an article on this great irony with Jinnah titled "Jinnah must be rolling in his grave" in Nov 17, 2000.


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dina_Wadia

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "S A Hannan" <sahannan@...> wrote:
>
> Jaswant Sing's Expulsion : A wrong Reading of History
>
> Inernational news agencies have reported from NEW DELHI that the BJP
> expelled the former foreign minister Jaswant Singh from the party
> following his recent book praising Pakistani leader Mohammed Ali Jinnah,
> DawnNews reported.The BJP president Rajnath Singh told reporters in
> Shimla that his party's parliamentary board decided to expel Singh from
> the primary membership of the party.'Yesterday, I issued a statement
> about the BJP dissociating itself from Jaswant Singh's views. The party
> discussed the matter at the chintan baithak and it was decided to expel
> him,' AFP quoted Rajnath as saying.Singh's recent book 'Jinnah - India,
> Partition, Independence,' reflects the politician's personal admiration
> for the founder of Pakistan, and has stoked a storm of controversy.
> Conservative members of the right-wing BJP have slammed the publication,
> and had mounted a campaign to ostracize Singh, trashing the BJP with
> epithets such as the 'Bhartiya Jinnah Party.'He has been blamed for
> telling that Quaide Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah was not only responsible
> for partition of India, Pandit Neheru and Mr Patel were also responsible
> for this.He also said that Mr Jinnah a modern and secular man.
>
> We are surprised at this development and shows the arrogance of BJP.It
> has expelled a senior leader of the party for a small reason.WhatJaswant
> Singh has said is nothing new. Mr Neheru and Mr Patel have been blamed
> by so many other writers including Maulana Abul Kalam Azad .Muhammad Ali
> Jinnah , of course , is the founder of Pakistan and he did give the two
> nation theory .He did say that Muslims are a nation in every possible
> sense and he drew this concept from the concept that all Muslims
> constitute an Ummah as said by the Prophet in the agreement of Madina.As
> such Mr Jinnah felt that where ever Muslims are a majority they have a
> right to form a state. However he agreed with the Cabinet Mission Plan
> of the British government in 1946 of one India with all political, civil
> , cultural and religious guarantees for the Muslims .This was also in
> line with Madina document where the Prophet established a joint state
> with Jews with all rights to each community of the State of Madinah. We
> think Mr Singh is a victim of injustice.People differ on historical
> interpretation and there is nothing wrong in it.
>
> Mr Jinnah was not, however , a secular man, as has said by Mr Singh. How
> can a man who created a state on the basis of Islam and who highlighted
> the two nation theory on the basis of religion can be said to be a
> secular person? Only one speech by him in Auguast 47 in the Parliament
> can not be interpreted out of context of the then violence going on at
> that time in India and Pakistan. No other statement of Mr. Jinnah
> justifies this assessment.


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Re: [ALOCHONA] Quarters at home, abroad trying to block war crimes trial: AL



what's unusal in it?

Bangladesh is the seventh largest country in the world . Do we Bangladeshi realize that ?


--- On Mon, 8/24/09, Ezajur Rahman <ezajur.rahman@q8.com> wrote:

From: Ezajur Rahman <ezajur.rahman@q8.com>
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Quarters at home, abroad trying to block war crimes trial: AL
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 5:17 AM

 

Quarters at home, abroad trying
to block war crimes trial: Ashraf

Courtesy New Age 24/8/09

Staff Correspondent

 

The ruling Awami League general secretary, Syed Ashraful Islam, on Wednesday conceded that the government was facing obstacles – both from forces at home and abroad – to its initiatives to put the war criminals on trial but stopped short of naming the quarters.
   'We are aware that some quarters at home and abroad are trying to block trial of the war criminals but I do not want to disclose their names at the moment…We are trying to overcome the barrier,' he said at a discussion at the National Press Club.
   Sampradaikata, Jangibad Birodhi Mancha organised the discussion on 'Militancy and present Bangladesh : our responsibility', presided over by professor Ajay Roy.
   Ashraf, also the LGRD and cooperatives minister, said the government would be able to overcome the obstacle when there was a consensus among the countrymen over the issue. Ashraf urged the pro-liberation political parties, young generation, different organisations and professional bodies, media, civil society and people from all walks of life to mobilise public opinion for trial of the war criminals.
   Reiterating the government's stand on the issue, the AL leader said trial of war criminals was the party's election pledge and the government had allocated Tk 10 crore for the process in the budget.
   Ashraf said the government had no alternative to holding war crimes trial and that the first session of the ninth parliament had passed a resolution paving the way for trial of those who had been involved in various war crimes during the war of independence in 1971. 'The people also gave their mandate for trial of the war criminals in the December 29 parliamentary polls,' he said.
   'The government is trying to mobilise opinion both at home and abroad in favour of holding war crimes trial but only the government's initiatives are not enough in this regard and all will have to come forward in support of the initiatives,' he said.
   'Trial of the war criminals is not the government's own demand, it is the demand of every man of conscience…'
   Ashraf said the Sector Commanders' Forum, an organisation of the sector commanders of the 1971 war of independence, had mounted a campaign over the issue before the elections but now they were silent. He urged the forum to resume their activities.
   He also called on Sampradaikata o Jangibad Birodhi Mancha to organise discussions in every district to mobilize public opinion in this regard.
   The discussion was also addressed by Dhaka city AL general secretary Mofazzal Hossain Chowdhury Maya, AL's health and population affairs secretary Badiuzzaman Bhuiyan, Gana Forum leader Pankaj Bhattachariya, Workers Party leader Bimal Biswas, Bangladesh Economics Association general secretary Abul Barakat, Dhaka University professor Syed Anwar Hossain, Swechchhasebak League leader Pankaj Devnath, rights activist Rokeya Kabir, retired major general Amin Ahmed Chowdhury and Dhaka Reporters Unity general secretary Pathik Shah.

 



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