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Thursday, October 6, 2011

[mukto-mona] Hidden Camera in Personna




 

How to Detect Hidden Camera in Trial Room?

In front of the trial room take your mobile and make sure that mobile can make calls........
Then enter into the trail room, take your mobile and make a call.....
If u can't make a call......!!!!
There is a hidden camera......
This is due to the interference of fiber optic cable during the signal transfer......

Please forward this to your friends to educate this issue to the
public......To prevent our innocent ladies from HIDDEN CAMERA...........

Pinhole Cameras in Changing Rooms of Big Bazaar, Shoppers Stop?

A few days ago, I received this text message:
Please don't use Trial room of BIG BAZAAR there are pinhole cameras to make MMS of young girls.
So, please forward to all girls. Also forward to all boys who have sisters and girlfriends.

Don't be shy in forwarding this message. Because its about protecting the integrity of all girls & ladies.

HOW TO DETECT A 2-WAY MIRROR?

When we visit toilets, bathrooms, hotel rooms, changing rooms, etc., How many of you know for sure that the seemingly ordinary mirror hanging on the wall is a real mirror, or actually a 2-way mirror I.e., they can see you, but you can't see them. There have been many cases of people installing 2-way mirrors in female changing rooms or bathroom or bedrooms.

It is very difficult to positively identify the surface by just looking at it. So, how do we determine with any amount of certainty what type of Mirror we are looking at?

CONDUCT THIS SIMPLE TEST:

Place the tip of your fingernail against the reflective surface and if there is a GAP between your fingernail and the image of the nail, then it is a GENUINE mirror.

However, if your fingernail DIRECTLY TOUCHES the image of your nail, then BEWARE, IT IS A 2-WAY MIRROR! (There may be someone seeing you from the other side). So remember, every time you see a mirror, do the "fingernail test." It doesn't cost you anything. It is simple to do.

This is a really good thing to do. The reason there is a gap on a real mirror, is because the silver is on the back of the mirror UNDER the glass.

Whereas with a two-way mirror, the silver is on the surface. Keep it in mind! Make sure and check every time you enter in hotel rooms.

Share this with your sisters, wife, daughters, friends, colleagues, etc




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Re: [mukto-mona] Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna - Logically Proved.



If the stanza "Patana-abhyudaya-bandhura pantha, jugajugadhabita jatree---" was also an integral part of the song that was sung during Kalikata Congress Counncil, the song must not have been addressed to King George V. How can procession of the masses for ages indicative of timeless history refer to a single British King? Moreover, Rabindranath refuted the speculations of the complainants during the very British rule risking the rage of the ruler.
There are proofs that Rabindranath was not supporter of imperialism at all. He wrote the poem "Africa" before the book "Roots" was written by Haley. We all need to re-read it to refresh our memory. Read his accounts of travels to Middle eastern countries. You will see how vehemently he criticized the way the imperialists were bombing innocent people. We know many Kolkata-based intellectuals were annoyed by Sepoy mutiny, but Rabindranath praised the rebels.   
We all know that there were contradictions in his various roles. Obviously we have every right to criticize in those cases. But making sweeping remarks ignoring his own historic statements on Janaganamana does not contribute any thing to a healthy debate. 

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna - Logically Proved.

 
I mostly agree with Ms. Majid here.
 
However, I do not like the fact that much of the discussion (by many in various forums) on this subject focuses on criticizing Ravindranath. I think the criticism should really be against the emotional, personality-worshiping (and personality-hating), whimsical, and irresponsible psyche that much of the cultural Indian (including Bangadeshis) population and leadership possess.
 
Ravindranath was an 'imperialist-piyari British rule panderer' all right. But that is not the point that we need to care about. What we really need to care about is, why should an emperor-worshiping song be taken as the national anthem of India ? I do not really care what Ravindranath was thinking almost a hundred years back when he wrote this song. What I care about is the song itself; and to me, it sounds more like an emperor-worshiping song, as opposed to one that expresses deep love and appreciation for India (or mother India ). I am sure, there were other songs that would have been better for a national anthem. An example would be D. L. Roy's "Dhano Dhanyo Pushpo Bhara."
 
But Ravindranth made the Indians too proud for the leaders at the time to be objective. Their Ravindra-worshiping psyche was likely to have played an overwhelming role in choosing this song for the national anthem of India .
 
Looking a bit close to our home in Bangladesh , I have a serious problem with one part of the national anthem. "Ma tor badan khani molin holay ami nayan jalay bhashi." What kind of a statement is this in a national anthem? A national spirit should do better than just crying when the motherland has a shade of sorry state. A caring, capable, and spirited child has to methodically attack any force that distresses the face of the mother(land), than just crying. (By "any force" I mean a lot of things; such as corruption, crime, lawlessness, discriminatory laws, external threats, and so on.)
 
Here again, Ravindranath was unquestionably the greatest Bangalee literary talent; and our intellectuals and political leaders at the time treated him like a god and took the first sentences of the song, no questions asked. The same song has quite a few sentences later that, I think, would make better wordings for a national anthem. But, again, the problem was not with Ravindrantah; he had his great talent, not necessarily perfect everywhere. The problem was the Ravindra-worshiping psyche of our intellectuals and leaders.
 
So long for now,
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona Yahoogroups <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna - Logically Proved.
 
What an Imperialist-piyari British rule panderer! Rabindranath's 'jana gana mana' song was actually not too far from these sentiments.
 
Rabindranath had to deny the song's association with King George V's visit to India when confronted.  He bald faced lied.  What else could he do?  I have studied Rabindranath at length and know that he is clever about being dishonest.
 
Let us think culturally. Traditionally in Bengal , a patriotic song or hym to the land of one's birth is addressed to "Mother" -- the land being a female figure of feritility even in the Muslim tradition.  Bankim's 'Bande Mataram' is a typical model that was followed by many authors and composers including Muslim poets like Kazi Nazrul. In Iqbal's 'saare Jahan se accha' you don't get the image of Hindustan figuring as a dominant male. [That is the reason I strongly oppose the accusation of Bankim's 'Bande Mataram' being a communal song -- all 'saat koti' santaan of mother Bengal could be of any religion]
 
Suddenly, out of nowhere comes this weird, dangerous component of an idea of a MALE leader, or a commander -- adhinayaka -- a decider on behalf of jana-gana's mind!  Wow! That is against the concept of any religion.  Hindu or Muslim prayers to God are done in supplication --lead us from darkness to light; or cleanse us of impurities; bestow prosperity on us; or lead us on the the straight path and not on the path of those you have cursed, etc. Man's mind has the free-will, it is liable to go astray, hence the prayer to the deity for assistance in leading to Truth and righteousness.  But the idea of a dominant male commander of people's mind is utterly bewildering!
 
Rabindranath had often expressed satisfaction of being under the British rule in many of his prose writings. This is the fist time in history, he says,  that all of India is under one rule and one umbrella. His songs and literature is strewn with his intense Raja-preeti. 'Jana-gana-mana' is actually a Raja-vandana, a foreign Raja to whom all the provinces, rivers and seas of India are subservient.
 
Contrast jana gana mana with  Amar Sonar Bangla, which is composed eariler in a very different mood and with a very different political background of protessting the partitioning of Bengal by the British.  Here Rabindranath is addressing the Mother, which is perfectly natural.  Moreover, instead of a Brahmo samaj hymn tune he adopts a baul tune from a popular song that he heard from Gagon Harkara, the postman in Shelaidoho in East Bengal . Rabindranath used to love to sing the song himself. The American poet, Ezra Pound heard him sing the song in 1912 at the home of the artist Rothenstein in London .
 
More later.
 
Farida Majid




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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Tagore and Janagana Mana .....



Not really, never have I seen the jolooses of this grandeur on the birthday of Muhammad on the streets of mumbai.

A la Hindus the Muslims have pendals with recreated models of Arab landscape etc. Ditto with the Christians they have now pendals depicting birth of baby Jesus. This was never the case during my growing up days.

These 'rituals' are extra-texts.

On the other hand the Hindu festival too have become bigger but not better.

It has to do with increased population and availability of funds more than anything else in the growing economies of south Asia.

Prasad

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From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
Sender: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 15:48:00 -0400 (EDT)
To: <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
ReplyTo: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Tagore and Janagana Mana .....

 

Well said!!

I would like to add my two cents


meaning it did not originate from a single source, and does not have a central controlling structure.



Like Christianity, it could have started from a single sources and then many "Contributed" towards the "Tradition" to make it how we see it today.

When I was a child, Durga puja was big in old Dhaka. It was celebrated in most parts of the old town and confined in that area. Today we have more stages than before, they are much bigger, brighter than small little arrangements I saw as a child. There was a "Small community" personal feel to it. Now some stages looks much nicer, larger, more glamorous but the "Personal" touch is gone.

In Kolkata, they have themes for each stages and surely that is not how I remembered it as a child. So in "Sanatana dharma" ( The real name of what we know as Hinduism) even religious events evolves. Thus "newer traditions" (Achars) are added with the old roots.

Other religions tends to stick to old school methods.

Peace. :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 4:43 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Tagore and Janagana Mana .....

 
What is Hinduism?
 
 As I understand - Hinduism refers to codes of life of Hindus, including religious, social, and cultural practices and behaviors. Hinduism is open-ended codes of life, which can be customized as per one's aptitudes, meaning there are no set guidelines to be a Hindu. Some Hindus believe in many Gods and Goddesses, others believe in one formless God; some do not believe in God at all (Atheist), but follow social and cultural codes of Hinduism. Hinduism evolved over many centuries with contributions from numerous saints and sages, meaning it did not originate from a single source, and does not have a central controlling structure.
 
Jiten Roy
 

--- On Tue, 10/4/11, Mahbub Kamal <mahbubk2002@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mahbub Kamal <mahbubk2002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 10:39 AM

 
Brahmism is a separate religion which tried to adapt 'hindu' scriptures to an objective (among others) to eradicate caste system, unfortunately it is on the verge of extinction as the leaders of this religion never tried to incorporate general mass. My personal opinion is that Devendranath Thakur was ultra-conservative which lead to the demise of this comparatively modern faith.
 
'Hinduism' did 'devour' many beliefs, for example it tried to devour buddishm by declaring Gautama Buddha as an avatar (incarnation of Vishnu). And the question is what really is hinduism, can anyone tell me? Hindu is the word  used by Persians referring to the people living on the other side of the river Indus, and most of them follows a religion called 'Sanatan Dharma'. If we look in a broader sense so-called 'Hinduism' is an umbrella of faiths, if it is tolerant or not depends on the followers.  
 
I did not state 'Almighty Allah', I did state 'divine God' - though it does not make a difference to me. 'Iswar Allah tero naam, Sabko sammati de Bhagwan'
 
'Amae noile Tribhubenshwar, tomar prem hoto je michhe' - that is the only religion I completely believe in. The religion of Rabindranath, Lalan Sai, Hason Raja, Shah Abdul Karim, this religion is known as 'Humanity', this goes over all shastra or Fiqh, all kochkochi that sows the seed of hatred among naive minds.
 
Thank you and Sharadyo Shuvechcha,
 
Mahbub

--- On Sun, 10/2/11, jaan.bhide@gmail.com <jaan.bhide@gmail.com> wrote:

From: jaan.bhide@gmail.com <jaan.bhide@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Received: Sunday, October 2, 2011, 8:29 PM

 
Bramho is not a separate religion, it is a samaj or a sect within Hinduism.

One can be dwaitwadi, adwaitwadi, ek-ishwarwadi, bahu-ishwarwadi even nir-ishwarwadi and still can be called. Hindu.

You interpret the texts as per your understanding and find your own path to the ultimate is what is Hinduism.

Hinduism is a fount of many philosophies, It is funny when these are assumed to be different from Hinduism.

In fact, go ahead and imagine that the Adhinayak, tagore refers to is almighty Allah!

Prasad
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From: Mahbub Kamal <mahbubk2002@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 11:04:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?

 
Mr. Singh:
 
Where did you find the name of 'Lord Krishna'?
 
Gurudev Rabindranath Thakur was a follower of 'Bramho' religion, this relgion depicts Bramha the Creator as the single God.
 
I don't think Gurudev had meant the British monarchy as 'Janagana Mana Adhinayaka', he meant the divine God. I don't want to cooment on SriKrishna, whether he is a god or a mythological character (to me both are same) is a matter of belief.
 
Brahma Kripahi Kebolom.
 
Thank You

--- On Sat, 10/1/11, nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Received: Saturday, October 1, 2011, 6:12 PM

 
Dear All,

Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna. Please read the short article at 
 

For the complete article read it at 

Please forward this mail to as many people as you can. The British created the myth that our gods and goddesses are mythological characters. This is not true and our Vedic scriptures confirm it.

Regards,

Nihar Singh



--- On Sat, 10/1/11, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 1, 2011, 4:50 PM



Q. Rahman has misinterpreted the events in early Islam



>>>>> I asked you for "SOURCES" of your knowledge but only received some allegations ( Also inaccurate--I may add)  as response.


Had Islam been sent for all humanity, in spite of over a thousand years of effort, Muslims are about twenty percent of the total world population, that certainly speaks about non almightiness of Allah

>>>>>>>> I don't mind clearing up your misunderstanding but this is high school stuff my friend. Islam speaks to humanity. Unlike other religious scriptures ( Bible OT and NT came for JEWS only, Veda, Puranas for Indians only). I don't mean to use this information as insults but taking this information from scriptures only.

Islam teaches us NOT to force religion unto others. { Source: Al Qur'an 2:256, Chapter 109 }

So despite Muslim rule over Spain and India, people carried on with their faith traditions. Allah does NOT want to force people into anything. You have been given "Free will" and Allah will judge when time will come. No need to get so excited about Islam. Slowly I'll try to answer all of your questions. I'll also try to give you sources to my answers, so you can ALSO verify them. Inshallah!!

I do not care what religion you follow ( Or if you do not follow any religion) but simply see a lot of misconception about this topic. So I am just trying replace wrong information with correct information. I hope all members can relax and put your feet up and just do some old fashion "Adda". We can learn from each others. I am always open for "Correction" and open for new knowledge. I happened to spent some time in interfaith discussions, so I happen to know a few things about Islam. However if I make any mistakes, feel free to correct me (Hopefully with source of your point).

Take it easy!! :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 1, 2011 4:53 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
 
Sorry for 'an religious', it was originally 'an Islamic', then I decided to generalize the term.  Q. Rahman has misinterpreted the events in early Islam.  Prophet sent emissaries demanding conversion and tithes, the Abissynian Emperor agreed to give a hearing but refused the tithes and hence was denied a conversion.  The Byzantines and the Persians rejected the deal right away. No religion is ever revealed.  It comes as necessary modification to the existing society.  Had Islam been sent for all humanity, in spite of over a thousand years of effort, Muslims are about twenty percent of the total world population, that certainly speaks about non almightiness of Allah.  And if Mr. Rahman has any idea of the demography of Islam, he might observe that most Muslims live in an area formerly ruled by Hindus.  The decadence of Hinduism brought about the prominence of  Islam.  Conversion to Islam has saved it from the descendants of Halagu Khan, but it was not encouraged before the Abbasids.  Actually it was discouraged by the Ummayads.

Priesthood is quite powerful in Islam.  If you pray under the guidance of your Imam at the mosque, you get 27 times more sawab.  The list of people you can't criticize also includes the Imam, your local priest.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
Two of three quotes are my original, with an religious mind set, one should voluntarily leave 'muktomona'.  Following the early Greeks, Islam used to believe in the flat earth and geocentric universe.  Priesthood is not absent in Islam.


On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:31 PM, qar <qrahman@aim.com> wrote:
 
It is written, Islam is exclusively for the people who speak Arabic

>>>>>>>> I am afraid, I am hearing this for the first time. If this was the case why did prophet Muhammad (PBUH) sent people to preach Islam to all corners of the world? In fact religions BEFORE Islam came to specific communities BUT Islam came for ALL of humanities. This is what I understand about Islam. 

Having said that, I am always up for learning new things. Therefore, kindly share the SOURCE of your statement. Where in Islam says it came for Arabs only? Appreciate your earliest attention!!

Religion is nothing more than a conspiracy of the priesthood

>>>>>>>>>> That was the complaint about religions BEFORE Islam ( Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism etc). Islam does not give much power to priesthood. 

The almighty God has not even revealed the correct structure of the universe to the proponents of religion


>>>>>>>> This is a popular argument about the Bible (OT AND NT). Not about Islam. I would encourage you to be a little more original. Anyone can cut and paste, can you back up your statements (With sources from religious scriptures)? 

Take care!! ;-)


-----Original Message-----
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:05 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?

 
I would like to add that those people who want others to believe that religion is the strongest bond of nationhood has not studied religious literature properly.  It is written, Islam is exclusively for the people who speak Arabic.  Religion is nothing more than a conspiracy of the priesthood.  They survive and thrive on the tithes extracted from their followers.  The almighty God has not even revealed the correct structure of the universe to the proponents of religion.  One twenty inch telescope revealed more to Galileo than all the angels did to the prophets.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
Nationalism is the last refuge of scoundrels, wrote a savant named Samuel Johnson.


On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:48 AM, S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com> wrote:
 
 
Mr Shubimol Chakrabarty, yes, religion is the strongest bond of nationhood  compared to other bonds .Mr Jinnah said that Muslim majority areas should form independent state and Hindu majority areas of subcontinent should form another state and in both states  minorities would remain there with all human rights.
Shah Abdul Hannan
From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of subimal chakrabarty
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:17 AM

To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
 
 
Pretty funny! What kind of statement is this? 
What about the bondage between Muslims and Hindus of Bangladesh? Is it "thin"? Do they belong to "Bangladeshi jati"? 
Do Hindus of West Bengal and Muslims of West Bengal belong to "Indian jati"? Is it "thin" or "thick"? 
I think the purpose of Mr. Hannan's statement is to fish in the troubled waters. He is thinking more in terms of religious divide. This reminds me of Jinnah's Two-Nation Theory. Mr. Hannan seems to be talking in the same line. According to Jinnah all the Indian Hindus constituted one nation and all the Indian Muslims constituted another nation. He forgot about other religious groups.
Pretty funny!  
Mr. Hannan should recognize that religion is only one element (it may even be absent) in the structure of a nation. Hindu majority India and Hindu majority Nepal did not form one nation. All the Christian dominated countries in Europe did not form one nation. 
 
From: S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?

 
There is no Bangalee Jati as there is no Gujrati jati or Bihari jati or punjabi Jati  Bond of unity of bangla speaking Muslims of Bangladesh and Banglaspeaking Hindus of West bengal is very thin.They belong to Bangladeshi jati or Indian jati respectively. For becoming jati you require much stronger bond.
 
Shah Abdul hannan
 
From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jiten Roy
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 8:44 AM
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
 
 
 
I do not know if there is a perfect English translation for the Bengali word "Jati." As a Jati - we are Bangalee, irrespective of our religious affiliations, castes, and creeds. Bangalee-Jati is our secular cultural identity. The Bangalee-Jatiotabad consists of certain secular characteristics, such as, we celebrate Pahela-Boishakh, Bashata-Baran, Ekushe-February (February 21st), etc. etc. with cultural, and ritualistic activities. There are other festivities and practices, which used to be celebrated widely, irrespective of religious affiliations, but now mainly scattered fashion. They are Poush-Sangcranti, celebrated with varieties of Cakes (Pithas), Chaitra-Sangcranti, celebrated with cultural activities and fairs, Maghi-Purnima, etc. etc.  Bangalee-Jatiotabad, being above and beyond our religious characteristics, is the glue that can unite the majority under a true secular platform.
 
Closest English word for 'Jatiotabad' is Nationalism; I know it does not completely express the full meaning of the term Jatiotabad, as we mean. That's where the confusion comes from. Bangalee-Jatiotabad or Bengali-Nationalism is not a state entity. But, state has to allow free exercise of those secular rights and characteristics, and state has to nourish it to flourish. Non-Bangalees have their own secular Jatiotabad, and they should be allowed to exercise them freely also.
 
If I have misconception, please let me know.
 
I appreciate all your comments. Thanks.
 
Jiten Roy
 
--- On Sat, 9/24/11, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: " mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com " < mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com >
Date: Saturday, September 24, 2011, 7:01 PM
 
"-------------and nationalism is a cultural identity, which reflects majority cultural."----Dr. Jiten Roy
 
Let us take an example to examine Dr. Roy's comment. Nationality of Indians is Indian which indicates that their nationality is Indian. No problem with that. But which group of people constitutes the majority and what is this majority group's culture? Are these the people in the Hindi belt? Obviously not. Even being an Indian by nationality, a Bengali or an Assamese is a Bengali or an Assamese. Even within the subset of Bengal ( West Bengal ), we cannot force a Gorkha to identify himself as a Bengali. If the Gorkhas are culturally, linguistically, and historically distinct from Bengalis, why should we force them to call themselves Bengalis?  
 
"There is no issue of fairness in nationalism."---Dr. Jiten Roy
 
It will be quite unfair to force a Chakma to call himself a Bengali as this very word reflects language, culture, and history. Politically he is a "citizen of Bangladesh " but culturally a Chakma. The majority has no right to force a Chakma to accept a Bengali's cultural identity. This is not only unfair, this is coercive also.
 
"There has been an orchestrated attempt to alter our cultural identity (Bangalee) in this region during Pakistani era, and it is still going on in Bangladesh ."----Dr. Jien Roy
 
I agree. Pakistani regimes tried to redefine Bengalis in East Pakistan as Pakistanis. That was a political game with India . But what is going on now? I would expect some elaboration. Regards.
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
 
Everybody is missing my point. I am simply asking - what is our cultural identity, not our religious identity or nationality? 
 
Nationality and nationalism are two different things. Nationality is citizenship, and nationalism is a cultural identity, which reflects majority cultural. There is no issue of fairness in nationalism. There has been an orchestrated attempt to alter our cultural identity (Bangalee) in this region during Pakistani era, and it is still going on in Bangladesh .
 
Jiten Roy --- On Thu, 9/22/11, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: " mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com " < mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com >
Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 10:29 PM
 
Bangladesh is a political entity, as opposed to a cultural one. May be, Najrul Islam's Bangla Desh and Ravindranath's Sonar Bangla were cultural, and those included more than the political entity of Bangladesh ; they also excluded at least the Chittagong Hill Tracts, which is a part of today's political Bangladesh .
 
Citizenship (nationality) is not cultural. I wish the secular politicians and intellectuals of  Bangladesh did not start this non-sense of Bangalee nationalism in 1971-72. It was wrong to ask the CHT people to call themselves Bangalees. Again, Bangalee nationalism was not really the spirit of all movements during 1947-71, and should not have been unless if we wanted to merge with West Bengal and allowed CHT to secede from us. Fairness, respect and dignity for Bangla and the Bangalees should not be considered the same as Bangalee nationalism. Bangalee nationalism would have demanded a separate nation for the Bangalees, even if the western Pakistanis treated the Bangalees with due respect. Our real spirit was no nationalism; it was fairness, respect and dignity for us.
 
Citizenship for anyone who seeks it? It is not done anywhere in the world. All countries have their laws to govern how a non-citizen would be given citizenship.
 
I would not ask Awami League to revive the so-called Bangalee nationalism (citizenship), rather I would ask them to respect all peoples of the land with respect; much like I would not ask them to call all Bangladeshis Muslims, much like I would not ask all Indians to be known as Hindus, much like I would not desire all cultural, linguistic and ethnic groups of the United States to be called Christians or English.
 
Well, so long for now,
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] HAVOC CREATED BY JAMATI'S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Dr. Bain's comments tells me that, in my last sarcastic comments, I did not clarify my points enough; hence confusions.
I was looking for a cultural identity for the people of Bangladesh . I explored 3 conventional identities (Bangalee, Bangladeshi, and Moderate Muslim), which have been used in the past to represent the people of Bangladesh . But, none of them seemed to encompass all people. As a result, the identity crisis still remains, and we do not know who we are.
After Bangladesh was born, our cultural identity (Jatiota) was Bangalee, and our nationality was also Banglalee. Ershad changed our nationality to Bangladeshi. The motive was to include all the people of Bangladesh , so he told us at that time. Was it really the motive? If that was true – all non-Bangalee Biharis should have been citizen by now, and Father Tim, the former Principal of Notre Dame College, would have been citizen already. If you say that our nationality is Bangladeshi - then we should grant citizenship to any permanent resident of Bangladesh , if they seek one.
In my view, it was done purposefully to defuse pre-independence secular mindset, and neutralize the Bangalee-Jatiotabadi spirit, the spirit of independence movement. As you know, Quranic verses and state religion (Islam) were also introduced in the secular constitution right around that time.
Dr. Bain, Bangalee-Jatiotabadi spirit has been the driving force behind all movements in the East Pakistan since the language movement in 1952. Even though Sheikh Mujib was not seeking independence at the beginning, but his movement was fueled by the Bangali-Jatiotabadi spirit. This is the spirit that still can unite the mjority in Bangladesh . That's why - I have been asking Awami League to revive that spirit for their sake.
 
Thanks for your comments. Love to hear from you. Don't be a stranger.
 
Jiten Roy --- 






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On Kamal Das sahib’s latest posting

I do not know the cause of decline of Buddhism. However I must say that in Islam God does want government to run state on the basis of laws and values of Islam.Islam has not prescribed rule by Ulama, it is not theocracy in the western sense. Islamic states are to be run by people’s representatives. If there had been violations that is the responsibility of violators.

 

Shah Abdul hannan

 

 

From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kamal Das
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 1:55 PM
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?

 

 

During the reign of the Emperor Ashoka, Budhism was predominant in India.  Hinduism did not 'devour' it.  On the contrary, the Budhist priests earned the wrath of the royal house, due to it's tendency to dictate the affairs of the state.  Such things also occurred elsewhere across the world.  God does not want any government run my the theocrats.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Mahbub Kamal <mahbubk2002@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Brahmism is a separate religion which tried to adapt 'hindu' scriptures to an objective (among others) to eradicate caste system, unfortunately it is on the verge of extinction as the leaders of this religion never tried to incorporate general mass. My personal opinion is that Devendranath Thakur was ultra-conservative which lead to the demise of this comparatively modern faith.

 

'Hinduism' did 'devour' many beliefs, for example it tried to devour buddishm by declaring Gautama Buddha as an avatar (incarnation of Vishnu). And the question is what really is hinduism, can anyone tell me? Hindu is the word  used by Persians referring to the people living on the other side of the river Indus, and most of them follows a religion called 'Sanatan Dharma'. If we look in a broader sense so-called 'Hinduism' is an umbrella of faiths, if it is tolerant or not depends on the followers.  

 

I did not state 'Almighty Allah', I did state 'divine God' - though it does not make a difference to me. 'Iswar Allah tero naam, Sabko sammati de Bhagwan'

 

'Amae noile Tribhubenshwar, tomar prem hoto je michhe' - that is the only religion I completely believe in. The religion of Rabindranath, Lalan Sai, Hason Raja, Shah Abdul Karim, this religion is known as 'Humanity', this goes over all shastra or Fiqh, all kochkochi that sows the seed of hatred among naive minds.

 

Thank you and Sharadyo Shuvechcha,

 

Mahbub

--- On Sun, 10/2/11, jaan.bhide@gmail.com <jaan.bhide@gmail.com> wrote:


From: jaan.bhide@gmail.com <jaan.bhide@gmail.com>


Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com

Received: Sunday, October 2, 2011, 8:29 PM

 

 

Bramho is not a separate religion, it is a samaj or a sect within Hinduism.

One can be dwaitwadi, adwaitwadi, ek-ishwarwadi, bahu-ishwarwadi even nir-ishwarwadi and still can be called. Hindu.

You interpret the texts as per your understanding and find your own path to the ultimate is what is Hinduism.

Hinduism is a fount of many philosophies, It is funny when these are assumed to be different from Hinduism.

In fact, go ahead and imagine that the Adhinayak, tagore refers to is almighty Allah!

Prasad

Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

From: Mahbub Kamal <mahbubk2002@yahoo.com>

Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 11:04:51 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?

 

 

Mr. Singh:

 

Where did you find the name of 'Lord Krishna'?

 

Gurudev Rabindranath Thakur was a follower of 'Bramho' religion, this relgion depicts Bramha the Creator as the single God.

 

I don't think Gurudev had meant the British monarchy as 'Janagana Mana Adhinayaka', he meant the divine God. I don't want to cooment on SriKrishna, whether he is a god or a mythological character (to me both are same) is a matter of belief.

 

Brahma Kripahi Kebolom.

 

Thank You

--- On Sat, 10/1/11, nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Received: Saturday, October 1, 2011, 6:12 PM

 

Dear All,

 

Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna. Please read the short article at 

 

 

For the complete article read it at 

 

Please forward this mail to as many people as you can. The British created the myth that our gods and goddesses are mythological characters. This is not true and our Vedic scriptures confirm it.

 

Regards,

 

Nihar Singh




--- On Sat, 10/1/11, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:


From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 1, 2011, 4:50 PM



Q. Rahman has misinterpreted the events in early Islam

 



>>>>> I asked you for "SOURCES" of your knowledge but only received some allegations ( Also inaccurate--I may add)  as response.


Had Islam been sent for all humanity, in spite of over a thousand years of effort, Muslims are about twenty percent of the total world population, that certainly speaks about non almightiness of Allah

 

>>>>>>>> I don't mind clearing up your misunderstanding but this is high school stuff my friend. Islam speaks to humanity. Unlike other religious scriptures ( Bible OT and NT came for JEWS only, Veda, Puranas for Indians only). I don't mean to use this information as insults but taking this information from scriptures only.

Islam teaches us NOT to force religion unto others. { Source: Al Qur'an 2:256, Chapter 109 }

So despite Muslim rule over Spain and India, people carried on with their faith traditions. Allah does NOT want to force people into anything. You have been given "Free will" and Allah will judge when time will come. No need to get so excited about Islam. Slowly I'll try to answer all of your questions. I'll also try to give you sources to my answers, so you can ALSO verify them. Inshallah!!

I do not care what religion you follow ( Or if you do not follow any religion) but simply see a lot of misconception about this topic. So I am just trying replace wrong information with correct information. I hope all members can relax and put your feet up and just do some old fashion "Adda". We can learn from each others. I am always open for "Correction" and open for new knowledge. I happened to spent some time in interfaith discussions, so I happen to know a few things about Islam. However if I make any mistakes, feel free to correct me (Hopefully with source of your point).

Take it easy!!

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 1, 2011 4:53 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?

 

Sorry for 'an religious', it was originally 'an Islamic', then I decided to generalize the term.  Q. Rahman has misinterpreted the events in early Islam.  Prophet sent emissaries demanding conversion and tithes, the Abissynian Emperor agreed to give a hearing but refused the tithes and hence was denied a conversion.  The Byzantines and the Persians rejected the deal right away. No religion is ever revealed.  It comes as necessary modification to the existing society.  Had Islam been sent for all humanity, in spite of over a thousand years of effort, Muslims are about twenty percent of the total world population, that certainly speaks about non almightiness of Allah.  And if Mr. Rahman has any idea of the demography of Islam, he might observe that most Muslims live in an area formerly ruled by Hindus.  The decadence of Hinduism brought about the prominence of  Islam.  Conversion to Islam has saved it from the descendants of Halagu Khan, but it was not encouraged before the Abbasids.  Actually it was discouraged by the Ummayads.

Priesthood is quite powerful in Islam.  If you pray under the guidance of your Imam at the mosque, you get 27 times more sawab.  The list of people you can't criticize also includes the Imam, your local priest.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

Two of three quotes are my original, with an religious mind set, one should voluntarily leave 'muktomona'.  Following the early Greeks, Islam used to believe in the flat earth and geocentric universe.  Priesthood is not absent in Islam.

 

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:31 PM, qar <qrahman@aim.com> wrote:

 

It is written, Islam is exclusively for the people who speak Arabic

>>>>>>>> I am afraid, I am hearing this for the first time. If this was the case why did prophet Muhammad (PBUH) sent people to preach Islam to all corners of the world? In fact religions BEFORE Islam came to specific communities BUT Islam came for ALL of humanities. This is what I understand about Islam. 

 

Having said that, I am always up for learning new things. Therefore, kindly share the SOURCE of your statement. Where in Islam says it came for Arabs only? Appreciate your earliest attention!!

 

Religion is nothing more than a conspiracy of the priesthood

 

>>>>>>>>>> That was the complaint about religions BEFORE Islam ( Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism etc). Islam does not give much power to priesthood. 

 

The almighty God has not even revealed the correct structure of the universe to the proponents of religion

 

 

>>>>>>>> This is a popular argument about the Bible (OT AND NT). Not about Islam. I would encourage you to be a little more original. Anyone can cut and paste, can you back up your statements (With sources from religious scriptures)? 

 

Take care!! 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:05 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?

 

I would like to add that those people who want others to believe that religion is the strongest bond of nationhood has not studied religious literature properly.  It is written, Islam is exclusively for the people who speak Arabic.  Religion is nothing more than a conspiracy of the priesthood.  They survive and thrive on the tithes extracted from their followers.  The almighty God has not even revealed the correct structure of the universe to the proponents of religion.  One twenty inch telescope revealed more to Galileo than all the angels did to the prophets.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

Nationalism is the last refuge of scoundrels, wrote a savant named Samuel Johnson.

 

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:48 AM, S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com> wrote:

 

 

Mr Shubimol Chakrabarty, yes, religion is the strongest bond of nationhood  compared to other bonds .Mr Jinnah said that Muslim majority areas should form independent state and Hindu majority areas of subcontinent should form another state and in both states  minorities would remain there with all human rights.

Shah Abdul Hannan

From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of subimal chakrabarty
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:17 AM


To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?

 

 

Pretty funny! What kind of statement is this? 

What about the bondage between Muslims and Hindus of Bangladesh? Is it "thin"? Do they belong to "Bangladeshi jati"? 

Do Hindus of West Bengal and Muslims of West Bengal belong to "Indian jati"? Is it "thin" or "thick"? 

I think the purpose of Mr. Hannan's statement is to fish in the troubled waters. He is thinking more in terms of religious divide. This reminds me of Jinnah's Two-Nation Theory. Mr. Hannan seems to be talking in the same line. According to Jinnah all the Indian Hindus constituted one nation and all the Indian Muslims constituted another nation. He forgot about other religious groups.

Pretty funny!  

Mr. Hannan should recognize that religion is only one element (it may even be absent) in the structure of a nation. Hindu majority India and Hindu majority Nepal did not form one nation. All the Christian dominated countries in Europe did not form one nation. 

 

From: S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?

 

There is no Bangalee Jati as there is no Gujrati jati or Bihari jati or punjabi Jati  Bond of unity of bangla speaking Muslims of Bangladesh and Banglaspeaking Hindus of West bengal is very thin.They belong to Bangladeshi jati or Indian jati respectively. For becoming jati you require much stronger bond.

 

Shah Abdul hannan

 

From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jiten Roy
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 8:44 AM
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?

 

 

 

I do not know if there is a perfect English translation for the Bengali word “Jati.” As a Jati - we are Bangalee, irrespective of our religious affiliations, castes, and creeds. Bangalee-Jati is our secular cultural identity. The Bangalee-Jatiotabad consists of certain secular characteristics, such as, we celebrate Pahela-Boishakh, Bashata-Baran, Ekushe-February (February 21st), etc. etc. with cultural, and ritualistic activities. There are other festivities and practices, which used to be celebrated widely, irrespective of religious affiliations, but now mainly scattered fashion. They are Poush-Sangcranti, celebrated with varieties of Cakes (Pithas), Chaitra-Sangcranti, celebrated with cultural activities and fairs, Maghi-Purnima, etc. etc.  Bangalee-Jatiotabad, being above and beyond our religious characteristics, is the glue that can unite the majority under a true secular platform.

 

Closest English word for ‘Jatiotabad’ is Nationalism; I know it does not completely express the full meaning of the term Jatiotabad, as we mean. That’s where the confusion comes from. Bangalee-Jatiotabad or Bengali-Nationalism is not a state entity. But, state has to allow free exercise of those secular rights and characteristics, and state has to nourish it to flourish. Non-Bangalees have their own secular Jatiotabad, and they should be allowed to exercise them freely also.

 

If I have misconception, please let me know.

 

I appreciate all your comments. Thanks.

 

Jiten Roy

 
--- On Sat, 9/24/11, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: " mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com " < mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com >
Date: Saturday, September 24, 2011, 7:01 PM

 

"-------------and nationalism is a cultural identity, which reflects majority cultural."----Dr. Jiten Roy

 

Let us take an example to examine Dr. Roy's comment. Nationality of Indians is Indian which indicates that their nationality is Indian. No problem with that. But which group of people constitutes the majority and what is this majority group's culture? Are these the people in the Hindi belt? Obviously not. Even being an Indian by nationality, a Bengali or an Assamese is a Bengali or an Assamese. Even within the subset of Bengal ( West Bengal ), we cannot force a Gorkha to identify himself as a Bengali. If the Gorkhas are culturally, linguistically, and historically distinct from Bengalis, why should we force them to call themselves Bengalis?  

 

"There is no issue of fairness in nationalism."---Dr. Jiten Roy

 

It will be quite unfair to force a Chakma to call himself a Bengali as this very word reflects language, culture, and history. Politically he is a "citizen of Bangladesh " but culturally a Chakma. The majority has no right to force a Chakma to accept a Bengali's cultural identity. This is not only unfair, this is coercive also.

 

"There has been an orchestrated attempt to alter our cultural identity (Bangalee) in this region during Pakistani era, and it is still going on in Bangladesh ."----Dr. Jien Roy

 

I agree. Pakistani regimes tried to redefine Bengalis in East Pakistan as Pakistanis. That was a political game with India . But what is going on now? I would expect some elaboration. Regards.

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?

 

Everybody is missing my point. I am simply asking - what is our cultural identity, not our religious identity or nationality? 

 

Nationality and nationalism are two different things. Nationality is citizenship, and nationalism is a cultural identity, which reflects majority cultural. There is no issue of fairness in nationalism. There has been an orchestrated attempt to alter our cultural identity (Bangalee) in this region during Pakistani era, and it is still going on in Bangladesh .

 

Jiten Roy --- On Thu, 9/22/11, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: " mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com " < mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com >
Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 10:29 PM

 

Bangladesh is a political entity, as opposed to a cultural one. May be, Najrul Islam's Bangla Desh and Ravindranath's Sonar Bangla were cultural, and those included more than the political entity of Bangladesh ; they also excluded at least the Chittagong Hill Tracts, which is a part of today's political Bangladesh .

 

Citizenship (nationality) is not cultural. I wish the secular politicians and intellectuals of  Bangladesh did not start this non-sense of Bangalee nationalism in 1971-72. It was wrong to ask the CHT people to call themselves Bangalees. Again, Bangalee nationalism was not really the spirit of all movements during 1947-71, and should not have been unless if we wanted to merge with West Bengal and allowed CHT to secede from us. Fairness, respect and dignity for Bangla and the Bangalees should not be considered the same as Bangalee nationalism. Bangalee nationalism would have demanded a separate nation for the Bangalees, even if the western Pakistanis treated the Bangalees with due respect. Our real spirit was no nationalism; it was fairness, respect and dignity for us.

 

Citizenship for anyone who seeks it? It is not done anywhere in the world. All countries have their laws to govern how a non-citizen would be given citizenship.

 

I would not ask Awami League to revive the so-called Bangalee nationalism (citizenship), rather I would ask them to respect all peoples of the land with respect; much like I would not ask them to call all Bangladeshis Muslims, much like I would not ask all Indians to be known as Hindus, much like I would not desire all cultural, linguistic and ethnic groups of the United States to be called Christians or English.

 

Well, so long for now,

 

Sukhamaya Bain

 

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] HAVOC CREATED BY JAMATI'S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Dr. Bain’s comments tells me that, in my last sarcastic comments, I did not clarify my points enough; hence confusions.

I was looking for a cultural identity for the people of Bangladesh . I explored 3 conventional identities (Bangalee, Bangladeshi, and Moderate Muslim), which have been used in the past to represent the people of Bangladesh . But, none of them seemed to encompass all people. As a result, the identity crisis still remains, and we do not know who we are.

After Bangladesh was born, our cultural identity (Jatiota) was Bangalee, and our nationality was also Banglalee. Ershad changed our nationality to Bangladeshi. The motive was to include all the people of Bangladesh , so he told us at that time. Was it really the motive? If that was true – all non-Bangalee Biharis should have been citizen by now, and Father Tim, the former Principal of Notre Dame College, would have been citizen already. If you say that our nationality is Bangladeshi - then we should grant citizenship to any permanent resident of Bangladesh , if they seek one.

In my view, it was done purposefully to defuse pre-independence secular mindset, and neutralize the Bangalee-Jatiotabadi spirit, the spirit of independence movement. As you know, Quranic verses and state religion (Islam) were also introduced in the secular constitution right around that time.

Dr. Bain, Bangalee-Jatiotabadi spirit has been the driving force behind all movements in the East Pakistan since the language movement in 1952. Even though Sheikh Mujib was not seeking independence at the beginning, but his movement was fueled by the Bangali-Jatiotabadi spirit. This is the spirit that still can unite the mjority in Bangladesh . That's why - I have been asking Awami League to revive that spirit for their sake.

 

Thanks for your comments. Love to hear from you. Don’t be a stranger.

 

Jiten Roy --- 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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