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Re: [mukto-mona] Morsi's coup/ A hijacker in disguise!

Mubarak brought modernity in Egypt, Mursi will bring darkness; Mubarak gave dictatorship, Mursi will give tyranny. Egypt needs US help to survive, which may put a lid on Mursi's tyranny. But, he could join Iranian block as well to free himself from US-grip. In any case, the grand losers will be Egyptians; evil spell continues on Egypt …..

Jiten Roy

--- On Sat, 12/1/12, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Morsi's coup/ A hijacker in disguise!
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, December 1, 2012, 6:24 PM

Islamists are rallying behind Morsi. That tells us a lot. Egypt is going to be an Islamic country with limited civil and human rights for women, non-Muslims and other sects within Islam. The ghost of Mubarrak is coming with a different flavor bringing with it more hopelessness.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 1, 2012, at 1:28 PM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

Al-Azhar, Sunni Islam's leading authority, to be consulted on "matters related to Sharia" Christianity and Judaism to be the main source of legislation for Christians and Jews Religious freedom to be limited to Muslims, Christians and Jews Limits president to two four-year terms of office

>>>>>>>>> the last clause is the safe guard for democracy in Egypt. It is way too early to support or oppose (Logically) against the current government. Since religious freedom for minorities (Christians and Jews) are there, let us see how they are implementing these ideas.

Shalom!

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[mukto-mona] 1,240 CHRISTIANS INCLUDING A PASTOR COME BACK TO HINDUISM!

1,240 CHRISTIANS INCLUDING A PASTOR COME BACK TO HINDUISM!

It will give you pleasure to know that 1240 converted Christians including a Pastor came back to Hinduism. The program was organized by Dharma Jagran Vibhag, with the help of Gayatri Parivar and Arya Samaj. Please read the complete report.

http://www.organiser.org/Encyc/2012/6/3/-b-1,240-Christians-including-a-pastor-came-back-to-Hinduism--b-.aspx?NB=&lang=4&m1=&m2=&p1=&p2=&p3=&p4=&PageType=N

USA president Obama gets Nobel peace prize for waging war & Gandhiji does not get it because………..read below….

Mahatma Gandhi on Conversion

Gandhiji was not awarded the Nobel peace prize because he refused to be converted. Now that missionaries are spreading their tentacles far and wide in India converting people by allurement, inducement and fraud (In the north east killings and threats are becoming commonplace) Gandhiji's message is all the more relevant in understanding and reacting to this problem. Missionary Terrorism will become as dangerous as Islamic terrorism if ignored. Please read & distribute.

Compiled by Swami Aksharananda

(Track No. 010119.1, Jan. 19, 2001)

I Call Myself a Sanatani Hindu

I call myself a Sanatani Hindu, because I believe in the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Puranas, and all that goes by the name of Hindu scripture, and therefore in avataras and rebirth; I believe in the varnashrama dharma in a sense, in my opinion strictly Vedic but not in its presently popular and distorted crude sense; I believe in the protection of cow. I do not disbelieve in murti puja. (Young India: June 10, 1921)

Why I am Not a Convert

Hinduism as I know it entirely satisfies my soul, fills my whole being. When doubts haunt me, when disappointments stare me in the face, and when I see not one ray of light on the horizon, I turn to the Bhagavad Gita, and find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow. My life has been full of tragedies and if they have not left any visible and indelible effect on me, I owe it to the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita. (Young India: June 8, 1925)

I Disbelieve in Conversion

I disbelieve in the conversion of one person by another. My effort should never to be to undermine another's faith. This implies belief in the truth of all religions and, therefore, respect for them. It implies true humility. (Young India: April 23, 1931)

Conversion: Impediment to Peace

It is impossible for me to reconcile myself to the idea of conversion after the style that goes on in India and elsewhere today. It is an error which is perhaps the greatest impediment to the world's progress toward peace. Why should a Christian want to convert a Hindu to Christianity? Why should he not be satisfied if the Hindu is a good or godly man? (Harijan: January 30, 1937)

No Such Thing as Conversion

I believe that there is no such thing as conversion from one faith to another in the accepted sense of the word. It is a highly personal matter for the individual and his God. I may not have any design upon my neighbour as to his faith which I must honour even as I honour my own. Having reverently studied the scriptures of the world I could no more think of asking a Christian or a Musalman, or a Parsi or a Jew to change his faith than I would think of changing my own. (Harijan: September 9, 1935)

No Conversion Designs Upon Me

I am not interested in weaning you from Christianity and making you Hindu, and I do not relish your designs upon me, if you had any, to convert me to Christianity. I would also dispute your claim that Christianity is the only true religion. (Harijan: June 3, 1937)

Conversion

Conversion must not mean denationalization. Conversion should mean a definite giving up of the evil of the old, adoption of all the good of the new and a scrupulous avoidance of everything evil in the new. Conversion, therefore, should mean a life of greater dedication to one's country, greater surrender to God, greater self-purification. (Young India: August 20, 1925)

Aping of Europeans and Americans

As I wander about through the length and breath of India I see many Christian Indians almost ashamed of their birth, certainly of their ancestral religion, and of their ancestral dress. The aping of Europeans by Anglo-Indians is bad enough, but the aping of them by Indian converts is a violence done to their country and, shall I say, even to their new religion. (Young India: August 8, 1925)

Why Should I Change My Religion

I hold that proselytisation under the cloak of humanitarian work is unhealthy to say the least. It is most resented by people here. Religion after all is a deeply personal thing. It touches the heart.

Why should I change my religion because the doctor who professes Christianity as his religion has cured me of some disease, or why should the doctor expect me to change whilst I am under his influence? (Young India: April 23, 1931)

Missionary Aim: Uprooting Hinduism

My fear is that though Christian friends nowadays do not say or admit it that Hindu religion is untrue, they must harbour in their breast that Hinduism is an error and that Christianity, as they believe it, is the only true religion. So far as one can understand the present (Christian) effort, it is to uproot Hinduism from her very foundation and replace it by another faith. (Harijan: March 13,1937)

Undermining People's Faith

The first distinction I would like to make between your missionary work and mine is that while I am strengthening the faith of people, you (missionaries) are undermining it. (Young India: November 8, 1927)

Physician Heal Yourself

Conversion nowadays has become a matter of business, like any other. India (Hindus) is in no need of conversion of this kind. Conversion in the sense of self-purification, self-realization is the crying need of the times. That however is never what is meant by proselytization. To those who would convert India (Hindus), might it not be said, "Physician, heal yourself." (Young India: April 23, 1931)

Missionaries: Vendors of Goods

When the missionary of another religion goes to them, he goes like a vendor of goods. He has no special spiritual merit that will distinguish him from those to whom he goes. He does however possess material goods which he promises to those who will come to his fold. (Harijan: April 3, 1937)

If I had the Power and Could Legislate.

If I had the power and could legislate, I should stop all proselytizing. In Hindu households the advent of a missionary has meant the disruption of the family coming in the wake of change of dress, manners, language, food and drink . (November 5, 1935)

The Only Begotten Son of God?

I regard Jesus as a great teacher of humanity, but I do not regard him as the only begotten son of God. That epithet in its material interpretation is quite unacceptable. Metaphorically we are all sons of God, but for each of us there may be different sons of God in a special sense. Thus for me Chaitanya may be the only begotten son of God. God cannot be the exclusive Father and I cannot ascribe exclusive divinity to Jesus. (Harijan: June 3, 1937)

Western Christianity Today

It is my firm opinion that Europe (and the United States) does not represent the spirit of God or Christianity but the spirit of Satan. And Satan's successes are the greatest when appears with the name of God on his lips. (Young India: September 8, 1920)

I consider western Christianity in its practical working a negation of Christ's Christianity. I cannot conceive Jesus, if he was living in flesh in our midst, approving of modern Christian organizations, public worship, or ministry. (Young India: September 22, 1921)

Christianity and Imperialistic Exploitation

Christianity in India has been inextricably mixed up for the last one hundred and fifty years with British rule. It appears to us as synonymous with materialistic civilization and imperialistic exploitation by the stronger white races of the weaker races of the world. Its contribution to India has been, therefore, largely negative. (Young India: March 21, 1929)

No Room For Them

In the manner in which they are working there would seem to be no room for them. Quite unconsciously they do harm to themselves and also to us. It is perhaps impertinent to say that they do harm to themselves, but quite pertinent to say that they do harm to us. They do harm to those amongst whom they work and those amongst whom they do not work, i.e., the harm is done to the whole of India. The more I study their activities the more sorry I become. It is a tragedy that such a thing should happen to the human family. (Harijan: December 12, 1936)

Outrage!

Only the other day a missionary descended on a famine area with money in his pocket, distributed it among the famine stricken, converted them to his fold, took charge of their temple, and demolished it. This is outrageous. (Harijan: November 5, 1937)

Let the Hindu be a Better Hindu

I came to the conclusion long ago that all religions were true and also that all had some error in them, and whilst I hold by my own, I should hold others as dear as Hinduism. So we can only pray, if we are Hindus, not that a Christian should become a Hindu. But our innermost prayer should be a Hindu should be a better Hindu, a Muslim a better Muslim, a Christian a better Christian. (Young India: January 19, 1928)

Welcome Them Back

If a person through fear, compulsion, starvation, or for material gain or consideration goes over to another faith, it is a misnomer to call it conversion. Most cases of conversion have been to my mind a false coin. I would therefore unhesitatingly re-admit to the Hindu fold all such repentants without much ado. If a man comes back to the original branch, he deserves to be welcomed in so far as he may deem to have erred, he has sufficiently purged himself of it when he repents his error and retraces his steps. (Collected Works: Vol. 66, pp. 163-164)

Thanks & Regards,

Sudhir Srinivasan
B.Arch, MSc.CPM, Dip.ID, Dip.CAD, Dip.PM, Dip.LD
| Architect |

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Re: [mukto-mona] Morsi's coup/ A hijacker in disguise!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20568356

"Morsi put to referendum a draft constitution that undermines basic freedoms and violates universal values. The struggle will continue," key opposition figure Mohamed ElBaradei tweeted on Saturday.

"The draft keeps in place an article defining "principles of Sharia", or Islamic law, as the main source of legislation."

More Islam would not solve Egypt's problem. Has religion brought prosperity to any country? Egypt would be unique because it does not have much oil, nor great scientific brains. It would be interesting to see how far these clowns go.

-SD

"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Morsi's coup/ A hijacker in disguise!

Al-Azhar, Sunni Islam's leading authority, to be consulted on "matters related to Sharia" Christianity and Judaism to be the main source of legislation for Christians and Jews Religious freedom to be limited to Muslims, Christians and Jews Limits president to two four-year terms of office

>>>>>>>>> the last clause is the safe guard for democracy in Egypt. It is way too early to support or oppose (Logically) against the current government. Since religious freedom for minorities (Christians and Jews) are there, let us see how they are implementing these ideas.

Shalom!

-----Original Message-----
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: bangladesh-progressives <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 12:00 am
Subject: [mukto-mona] Morsi's coup/ A hijacker in disguise!

Needless to say that this was predicted! Islamists have taken backdoor to write the Islamic constitution for whole Egypt. Islam would become the law of the country. Minorities need to convert or get out of the way of these Mullahs. Once constitution is approved, Morsi becomes a true democrat? Give me a break.

-SD

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20564038

"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

Egypt crisis: Islamists rally for President Morsi

The BBC's Bethany Bell, outside Cairo university, says a crowd is chanting "raise your head high, your president is Morsi"

Continue reading the main story

Egypt changing

Islamist backers of Egypt's President Mohammed Morsi are holding mass rallies to support his sweeping new powers and the drafting of a constitution.

The demonstrations in Cairo come after days of rival protests by supporters and opponents of the president.

His opponents are angry that the draft constitution was hastily passed by an Islamist-dominated assembly on Friday.

The assembly acted before Egypt's top court could meet to rule on whether the body of MPs should be dissolved.

Senior judges have been in a stand-off with the president since he granted himself sweeping new powers last week.

'God's law'

Tens of thousands of supporters of Mr Morsi, carrying flags and portraits of the president, gathered outside Cairo university on Saturday.

"The people support the president's decision!" they chanted, while a banner read: "The people want the implementation of God's law."

Riot police stood by, with roadblocks erected to contain crowds. One person died and some 20 were injured when the branch of a tree outside the university fell on the crowd.

Continue reading the main story

Constitution at a glance

Sharia remains the main source of legislation
Al-Azhar, Sunni Islam's leading authority, to be consulted on "matters related to Sharia"
Christianity and Judaism to be the main source of legislation for Christians and Jews
Religious freedom to be limited to Muslims, Christians and Jews
Limits president to two four-year terms of office

Pro-Brotherhood crowds also demonstrated in other Egyptian cities. In Alexandria clashes broke out between supporters of Mr Morsi and unidentified activists, the state-run Mena news agency reported.

Mr Morsi's supporters in the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist parties had called for a huge turnout to show that the president's recent moves were supported by the public.

Under an emergency decree issued last week, Mr Morsi's decisions cannot be revoked by any authority, including the judiciary, until the new constitution has been ratified and a fresh parliamentary election held.

The decree also states that the courts cannot dissolve the constituent assembly.

Mr Morsi says he will give up his extraordinary powers once the new constitution is approved by a referendum.

Later on Saturday members of the constituent assembly were due to hand him the draft of the constitution they quickly adopted on Friday. The president is then expected to ratify the draft and schedule a referendum.

The BBC's Jon Leyne in Cairo says Mr Morsi may announce the referendum on Saturday and hold it in as little as two weeks' time.

Our correspondent says the key question will be whether the opposition can mobilise its support and get it to the ballot boxes to vote in the referendum.

On Friday, the president's opponents rallied in Cairo's Tahrir Square, chanting slogans including "The people want the fall of the regime!" - one of the rallying cries against former President Hosni Mubarak, who was toppled last year.

'Divisive move'

The extent of Mr Morsi's new powers has raised fears that he might become a new dictator.

UN Human Rights Commissioner Navi Pillay has written to the president, asking him to reconsider his decree.

In her letter, Ms Pillay "warned that approving a constitution in these circumstances could be a deeply divisive move", her spokesman said.

Mr Morsi's supporters point to the fact that he is Egypt's first freely elected president and argue that liberals and secularists do not represent the vast majority of Egyptians.

The presidential decree of 22 November gave the 100-member constituent assembly until January to complete the draft constitution.

When the Supreme Constitutional Court, Egypt's highest judicial authority, said it would soon rule on challenges to the process, supporters of the president in the assembly decided to rush through the draft.

During a marathon session that began on Thursday and continued through the night, the assembly voted on and passed all 234 articles.

Among the historic changes to Egypt's system of government, the draft limits the amount of time a president can serve to two four-year terms.

It also introduces some civilian oversight of the military establishment.

The draft keeps in place an article defining "principles of Sharia", or Islamic law, as the main source of legislation.

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Re: [mukto-mona] Morsi's coup/ A hijacker in disguise!

Islamists are rallying behind Morsi. That tells us a lot. Egypt is going to be an Islamic country with limited civil and human rights for women, non-Muslims and other sects within Islam. The ghost of Mubarrak is coming with a different flavor bringing with it more hopelessness.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 1, 2012, at 1:28 PM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

Al-Azhar, Sunni Islam's leading authority, to be consulted on "matters related to Sharia"
Christianity and Judaism to be the main source of legislation for Christians and Jews
Religious freedom to be limited to Muslims, Christians and Jews
Limits president to two four-year terms of office

>>>>>>>>> the last clause is the safe guard for democracy in Egypt. It is way too early to support or oppose (Logically) against the current government. Since religious freedom for minorities (Christians and Jews) are there, let us see how they are implementing these ideas.

Shalom!

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Re: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat

It is an ineffective way to advance solidarity with other human beings when you identify yourself as a Muslim, instead of a human-being. You know you are Muslim, that's your choice; others have different choices. That's well and good. No one will bother anyone - if we can keep our religions to themselves in private, meaning – our religiosity should not interfere with religiosities of others. As long as we can do that, I see no problem with religions being a part of our lives.

Unfortunately, that's not the case; one's religiosity often interferes with that of others. That's where the problem lies. As a result, it is an illogical proposition to think that a state can be run by certain religious principles. Unfortunately, such countries do exist, mostly in the Muslim world, which are run by tyrannical regimes. Therefore, as a principle, I see no good reason to allow a political party, based on certain religious principles, to have a democratic right to seek the opportunity to rule a country.

Jiten Roy

--- On Sat, 12/1/12, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 1, 2012, 2:10 PM

"If evidences are credible against Jamat.... they should be punished". This "if" statement is really surprising. Does this mean that Mr. Rahman is not aware of the role of Jamat in 1971? Does he have any doubt that the Jamat leaders under trial may be innocent?

>>>>>>>>> This was a generalized statement for ALL parties. As I said I am for level playing field for all people. There are some jamaat leaders under trial. The REAL question is why it is taking the government prosecutors to establish their case?

There are couple of characters the whole nation knows about and why it seems it is taking forever for them to formulate a case against known criminals? Even more important question is why this party was able to establish alliences with BAL during 90's?

I am not connected with political parties but the parties themselves allows these "If"s to come up. General population know what was done to this nation in different times?

As I stated earlier, over many decades I never considered Jammat a major political character in Bangladesh. However it is the current administration who is making them VERY popular to general population.

There are many cases ongoing against Jammat leaders. Let the judicial system work without getting any interruptions. If the court is allowed to work interdependently, I am sure criminals can sorted out and punished.

Those people who worked as agents of invading army, participated in looting, rape, murders should be punished.

I really do not care much which party has given shelter to these CRIMINALS. Naturally criminals should be punished for their deeds.

The article said that Jamat is not like Muslim League.

>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Even Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was an active member of the then Muslim league during 40's. The original name of BAL was "Awami Muslim League".

As I said earlier, if canceling registration of Jamaat solves major issues of Bangladesh, by all means we should go for it. To me our country comes first!!

However unlike many member in this forum, I do NOT see religion as any problem. In fact, I strongly feel authentic teachings of religion can solve our issues.

Also, BNP made it clear that, they are not wanting to save "War criminals". I think it is the right approach and they should stick to issue that concerns citizens of Bangladesh.

Truth be told, Jamaat has been a "Partner" to both BAL and BNP. So I don't anyone(BNP/BAL) can make any credible argument about "Moral" ground here. So we should stick to hunting "War criminals" and keep petty politics out of it. This issue is way more important than who wins the next election.

Shalom!

-----Original Message-----
From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 12:00 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat

"If evidences are credible against Jamat.... they should be punished". This "if" statement is really surprising. Does this mean that Mr. Rahman is not aware of the role of Jamat in 1971? Does he have any doubt that the Jamat leaders under trial may be innocent? Does he not know about the agenda of Jamat to discriminate against other religions and against other sects within Islam? Is he not aware of the fact that the original 1972 constitution does not allow registration if religion based political party? I read an article many decades ago (nearly 40 years) probably written by Amal Sen. The article said that Jamat is not like Muslim League. Jamat is an ideology. It has agenda that has goes beyond a limited time and space. It wears different masks at different times. Democracy is one such mask. But their ultimate goal is to establish a theological state. Bangladesh should restore the original 1972 constitution and cancel registration of Jamat.

The articles by Muntasir Mamun and also different pieces by Farida Majid should be our eye opener.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2012, at 10:42 AM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

His poor grasp of English (or any language) prevented him from getting the message that we do not want any lecture on "democracy" from the likes of him or S A Hannan (a gun-runner for Islamic terrorists in BD and an ardent supporter of Genocide 1971).

>>>>>>>>> You are read many hundreds of post I have written in discussion groups. I do NOT think I ever endorsed any political parties. ALL I have said that, EVERYONE should be dealt fairly and with the SAME rule.

If evidences are credible against Jammat or any other parties, they should be punished (Common sense!). Same rule should be applied to others as well.

I am not sure what prevents some of us to grasp this very simple logic?

The beauty of democracy is people have reasonably fair chances to judge politicians based on their performances and judge them accordingly. This "Safe guard" will guard the safety of any community. >> We do not want to tolerate such bs anymore.

>>>>>>>>>> Not sure if you are against democracy or not. There are plenty of Christian and Jewish political parties and the world is not falling apart because of them. As long they are NOT violent, what is wrong with them?

We have to separate violence/torture from politics. Divorcing religion from politics will only make them more popular to the mass (As seen in Turkey and Egypt).

I think you are misunderstanding the message of my previous posts.

Shalom!

-----Original Message-----
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2012 6:08 am
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat

Here we go again! Q. Rahman flattering himself! How can I, or anybody, have any 'prejudice' against him? He is not my neighbor, relative or kutumb, or a poet, artist, musician, teacher, social worker, political activist or writer -- people I closely or loosely associate with in my real life. I only know him on the internet. Day after day, month after month, year after year, we are exposed his dishonesty, lack of any original thinking, and plain 'munafequi' when it comes to topics on religion.
           His poor grasp of English (or any language) prevented him from getting the message that we do not want any lecture on "democracy" from the likes of him or S A Hannan (a gun-runner for Islamic terrorists in BD and an ardent supporter of Genocide 1971).

         Earlier Q Rahman spoke in ridiculous, and utterly meaningless tautology that left unexplained what he meant by 'religion'. << The beauty of democracy is people have reasonably fair chances to judge politicians based on their performances and judge them accordingly. This "Safe guard" will guard the safety of any community. >> We do not want to tolerate such bs anymore.

         Let us stop the EVIL of Jamaat and all other religious parties destroying our nation by spreading murder, arson, anarchy and mayhem.

               STOP European style fascism in the guise of Jamaat-i-Islam!

To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: qrahman@netscape.net
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:01:53 -0500
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat

Q. Rahman. the proseletyzer wants to lecture us about democracy

>>>>>>>>> When you start this way, I must be doing pretty bad job here. You are still with your prejudices intact. :-)

O K. Tell me, in your lecturing tone, how does a political party based on a religion function in a democracy?

>>>>>>>>>> Pretty simple if we are sincere. They "Play" by the SAME rule like every other parties and even communists. All parties and ideas should be welcomed as long NONE of them are violent in their ways. Once a party resort to violence, they should be dealt with by local laws.

Right now, pretty much all political parties are involved in corruption and violence.

As much as I disagree with BJP, they should be allowed to share their ideas and last polls suggested that, most Indians are not supporting their ideas.

We have to have a "Level playing field" for ALL parties. Problem starts when our politicians use one law for their party members and use other laws for opponents. That is NOT democracy. We have vibrant media and they are one of the most effective safeguards to uphold democracy.

Shalom!

-----Original Message-----
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2012 5:36 am
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat

Q. Rahman. the proseletyzer wants to lecture us about democracy: << The beauty of democracy is people have reasonably fair chances to judge politicians based on their performances and judge them accordingly. This "Safe guard" will guard the safety of any community. >>

O K. Tell me, in your lecturing tone, how does a political party based on a religion function in a democracy? Where would the 'beauty' reside? In India there is BJP flaunting the inability of Babasaheb Ambedker to stop the formation of religion-based political party from Indian Constitution due to the badmaishi of Hindu Mahasabha in 1947. Where do you see the 'beauty' in BJP politics in the functioning of current Indian democracy? How would you show us the 'beauty' in the politics of the crooks, criminals and mass-murderers among Jamaat members in Bangladesh?

          Farida Majid

To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: kamalctgu@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:21:51 +0600
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat

Jamat was banned before, and the preachers of scientific socialism, JSD, gave them shelter. That is the reality of politics in Bangladesh. To render a snake harmless, one should remove it's poison tooth instead of killing it.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

"What I meant is this: asking Jamaat to strip itself off Islamic agenda is sheer stupidity. Jamaat as its very name implies cannot go without Islam on its plate."

The demand of the civil society is to put Jamat out of politics. Is that a stupid demand also, in your view? You said - it will be stupidity to ask Jama

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Re: [mukto-mona] Morsi's coup/ A hijacker in disguise!

I am troubled the way this constitution is being drafted and going straight to the voters. No debate at all when we know Egypt has been home for many different faiths and ideas. I see plenty of trouble with such attitude from Morsi and his gang.
-SD

"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Morsi's coup/ A hijacker in disguise!

Al-Azhar, Sunni Islam's leading authority, to be consulted on "matters related to Sharia" Christianity and Judaism to be the main source of legislation for Christians and Jews Religious freedom to be limited to Muslims, Christians and Jews Limits president to two four-year terms of office

-SD

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20564038

"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

Egypt crisis: Islamists rally for President Morsi

The BBC's Bethany Bell, outside Cairo university, says a crowd is chanting "raise your head high, your president is Morsi"

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Egypt changing

Islamist backers of Egypt's President Mohammed Morsi are holding mass rallies to support his sweeping new powers and the drafting of a constitution.

The demonstrations in Cairo come after days of rival protests by supporters and opponents of the president.

His opponents are angry that the draft constitution was hastily passed by an Islamist-dominated assembly on Friday.

The assembly acted before Egypt's top court could meet to rule on whether the body of MPs should be dissolved.

Senior judges have been in a stand-off with the president since he granted himself sweeping new powers last week.

'God's law'

Tens of thousands of supporters of Mr Morsi, carrying flags and portraits of the president, gathered outside Cairo university on Saturday.

"The people support the president's decision!" they chanted, while a banner read: "The people want the implementation of God's law."

Riot police stood by, with roadblocks erected to contain crowds. One person died and some 20 were injured when the branch of a tree outside the university fell on the crowd.

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Constitution at a glance

Sharia remains the main source of legislation
Al-Azhar, Sunni Islam's leading authority, to be consulted on "matters related to Sharia"
Christianity and Judaism to be the main source of legislation for Christians and Jews
Religious freedom to be limited to Muslims, Christians and Jews
Limits president to two four-year terms of office